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What kinds of additional support are there for those schools that are failing. There is no new secondary schools and I'm constantly told the numbers are the places are there but when you talk to the schools they don't seem to be. So I think it's about what does it take to trigger a new secondary school primary seems to you know there's some trigger. I still don't know that it's perfectly adequate but secondary just seems to get shuffled off the board. So that was it from me. Thank you very much, John. Sorry there's a lot of questions there. I'm happy to put them in an email if that would be easier. And that would be easier. Thank you chair because we've also not got inclusion colleagues available today they're working with the Offstead and CQC inspection. So it's just myself. So yes, if they could be put in an email, please that'd be helpful. May I just pick up on the last point about secondary school provision in the same bill and said that we look at both primary and secondary provision. I was monitoring closely from housing and through the local plan. We're not in the position where we're likely to require a new secondary school at present, but we'll continue to monitor that. It would require a lot of additional pupils to justify creating a new secondary school. And if necessary, we'll probably look at expanding one of the existing schools rather than creating a new one. Okay, thank you for that. I've got three cancers we should speak. Sorry, I thought those would be a concern to all of us, but if they're not. Councillor Paquin. Thanks chair, John, you very helpfully sent me some information recently about schools in my division and the surrounding area. I do have serious concerns that the figures that are in our report relate to extend planning permissions and don't take account of allocations. And I realized that on both applications and on the local plan, you make representations, but I wonder if there's a need now that effectively not Yorkshire is a single council for there to be a much bigger input from education into our local plan process. In terms of actually attending development plan meetings and such like, and the reason I say that is because we are in a situation in places like a brochure and cell be where if the local plan allocations go ahead and almost certainly will, let's be honest. If they go ahead, there's going to be a demand for some considerable investment in those areas. And if that investment is not planned well in advance, it won't happen in time. So that's really my question. Can we can we have more involvement from education and the local plan process. Thank you. Yeah, we're happy to do that. We've always worked historically and closely with the former districts and boroughs, but now we won Unitary Council. There's more opportunities. I know that work has started on the new local plan for North Yorkshire, which we've been invited to an initial workshop on. And we are continuing to feed into work on the cell bill output plan, which is continuing, but yeah, we're, we're always looking for opportunities to to be in further. Thank you. I've got Council. Sure. Right. Then Council post get. So it's on the needs. We've got the number of needs for salary, which is 900. Sorry, 911. Is it possible to have the numbers of needs across North Yorkshire broken down into constituency as well, which I think will be helpful. And also on 3.4, the early years, the actual attainment, if you like, has reduced from 2018 to 2023 across Selby and Ainsley and key stage two has reduced dramatically from 2018 to 2023 key stage four is all in its own. What plans have we got in place to improve those at the bottom end, actually attaining what they did several years ago. When I do an on the funding side of things, we have a school in town that is looking to make multiple figure redundancies simply because of the budget. And also going on to the school places. I've been approached by heads who were concerned that when North Yorkshire taking to account the square footage as of old available to schools. The schools are not all the subscribed, but when you remove the Victorian corridors out of that figure, they are. And I think we need to look at it slightly more nuanced way. And also I know that from John's not anymore, but the school in his area, there was a lot of development, quite a lot of money available for education. But nobody bothered to tell the head until I got onto that governor who I knew and said, why are you asking for the 90 grand that's available, and they didn't know. So I think we need more liaison between the two and I'd like to know what we're doing to get the kids. Development up and I'll declare an interest if you like, because my daughter and two granddaughters are all primary school teachers in Selby. In terms of the attainment will provide a response to that in the written answer in terms of the school places. If there are specific schools that you're aware of that having these issues, please contact me. I do know that the Department of Education is reassessing the net capacity, certainly of all secondary schools, because they are aware that it's something that needs to be re-checked, but it's going to take time to do that. But yes, there's specific issues then please let me know and we can look into those. That's a post kit. Thank you chair and the comments that I had actually were very similar to yours so I want to repeat them all but I'm happy to send some questions through to john. I think my main comment was there's I can see a definite lag in in the data that we've got that's not necessarily really reflective of what's going on on the ground, especially in terms of he sees. There's a middle ground area that this just isn't captured in this data of those families that are struggling hugely that don't have a diagnosis and don't have an EHC, but whose children are struggling massively in education. So I don't know how we capture that and how we work with that but there's a definite lag and I think we are starting to now see the impact of COVID the impact of it just seems to be getting, you know, more and more difficult for education and I'll send some questions through if that's okay john just for some information. Yes, please send the questions through thank you respond to that thank you. I think if we can copy each other in those of us who kind of have a big interest in this and then we can share the answers as well. Yes, and if we do again if we do that through Paul, we can keep an eye on that as a committee. Anybody else? Okay, thank you very much john. Thank you. You'll get some questions. Okay, so the next item item 9 is Duncan Ferguson on the 50 K seed funding. Morning Duncan. Was it afternoon yet? No, it isn't. Oh, okay. Hello chair, thank you for inviting me. Can I recap where we are with this with you to start if that's okay. Yeah, on the in February was and we had a workshop online workshop with a number of members from this area committee. And it was to look at what potentially we could allocate or spend or you wanted to spend 50,000 pounds on for 23 24. And now we also have a further 50,000 pounds 24 25. So totaling, we have 100,000 pounds for this grant fund. We had our workshop was useful. It was useful for me. It was online, which was it was hard to gauge real thoughts, but doing the best anyway. The one the customers were there. We agreed three priority areas really. The agreements have focused on three service areas. Tabcaster, Sherman and Selby. There was a keenness to leave a legacy. So there's a slight preference for capital, real build thing, real build things that was left. And out of that, there were three emerging themes. Which created some discussion. So the first one was heritage and arts. Second was public transport. And third was I think Melanie that you brought up with social enterprise. It was a social enterprise aspects. You came for me to confirm that the budget was 100,000, which I did for Paul's predecessor, Steve. I sent the notes onto him and he'll send those out. So after that, I think I'd offered to hold another workshop if you required one. But you're all very keen to go and discuss yourselves and develop some schemes and ideas. Some of the workshop ideas that you gave were the selection. So there's bus, real time information, digital displays, and the council post get indicated looking at arts centers, feasibility. Another one is use of existing vacant properties of social enterprises. See how we get there, what we need to do. There was also starter opportunities for encouraging local enterprise town and visitor maps, art trails, and a specific one which was traffic on Galsorpe in Selby. The next steps at that point was to circulate the application form. So at least you could see the things that need to be considered. Then perhaps do a further workshop. My aim at the time was to have approval for the scheme so we could start moving it through the process to get sign off. By this meeting. We don't have that, but I am keen that we keen to listen to any ideas, further ideas of come up chair. If there are, I'm happy to work with perhaps, it's up to you. I'm a task and finish group to progress that over the next few weeks at times that suit you. But I personally, with the timescale we have now probably got 11 months to spend £100,000. I think based on knowledge you have of project management and delivery, getting work procured, I think probably we need to be very clear. We need to be awarding a contract for a work, whatever it is, but at least September. So we've got six months to finish and do it, whatever that is, whether it's physical, simple physical works, and then get investigative study or purchase of equipment, off-the-shelf equipment, like real-time information boards or something like that. Working back from that, it would probably be useful for me to work with a group, or further over the next month and by the end of May, perhaps a clarity, or this area committee would like to take forward. And then I'm happy to work with you between that period until the end of May, as your officer, to get things progressing at the pace that I think we need to do. But I need to take advice from you, Chair, and the area committee really. Okay, thank you. Thoughts? Councillors, you're right. Not another study about anything at all. Waste of bleeding money, there's an office upstairs full of them. Apart from that, don't care. And I can spend that money within a week, so don't worry. Councillor interjecting. Thank you. Last week I sat in on a Zoom meeting for this very issue at Harrogate. We did, didn't we? The process, they went through a day, I say, was really quite interesting and slick. One of the things that did want to emphasise that the money that goes to any projects isn't going to hit a brick wall and it's not sustainable going forward or further funding. So I think that has to be a major criteria that we're not throwing money at something that's not going to have any traction. They had a greater emphasis on environment, I have to say, than we've had. And unfortunately, as Councillor Perasquez will agree probably, is that in Harrogate, there was no schemes that were going to be even suggested in the Ainste. And of course, we have a similar situation where the conurbation lights sell the tadcaster and show an helmet with other proposed schemes. And once again, the Ainste is the poor relative sort of thing. So I'm thinking that maybe going forward, we would have some sort of knowledge of that if we had an area considered to committee for our own area, then we maybe have our own £50,000 if indeed that money is going to be available after £100,000. So I think the process that the officers are suggesting is the right way. But in this late stage, I would ask that we also, when we're deciding, give some emphasis to the climate change, the environment, et cetera, as these projects warrant this investment. Thank you. Okay. And certainly from the discussion, there was general agreement that in order to have some effect, even those cancers from the rural areas did say it probably does need to be based in those three areas in some way. And that seemed to be an agreed decision, aside from that, where you know you heard what we came up with. Anybody else, any comments? As I think, if not, then we can all together. Volunteers, retailers can finish group. We've still got a fairly wide base of ideas and nothing specific. I'm happy to be part of that. And most of it would be online. Steve, is that you saying yes? I'm based here, yes, Councillor. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I totally agree, but yes, okay, that makes it easier. Councillor Packham. Yeah, given that we've mentioned Sherbin as a potential location, I think I'd quite like to be involved with. Okay. Okay. Kirsty, am I, I'm seeing you above your hand up. That kind of brings in the tad area then. Anybody else or anything that you want to feed in at this stage to that working group, like Councillor Wanda can stand to say, you know, I don't think I'd have any problem prioritizing environmental stuff. Yes. Yeah, we wouldn't have Henry Paz. I don't think, you know. The process for approving the allocation of the money is this group creates a scheme, a program of work they want to do. It has to come back here to the chair. It has to be signed off here by you, by the chair. And then it moves forward to an assessment evaluation by officers. And then on to sign off by my director, which is Nick Carn for Community Development. That's the process. I think because of that process and we have to follow that, then maybe there'll be challenge on the scheme that comes out. I'm quite personally quite keen to get it moving with you and work with it. And if I can work to the end of a May deadline with you, that would be fantastic. But obviously it depends on your own availability. And the members that it's just identified like to be on the group. So I'll do my best. Okay. Absolutely. Why didn't even know it was in the meeting? That's got a question. Yeah, thanks. Thank you, Chairman. And I thought we'd discuss previously. I mean, the last meeting, I seem to remember people floating ideas. You know, we talked about, I think, signposting like heritage trails, stuff like that, if I recall. So do we not already have, haven't we narrowed down a list already of ideas from what was previously discussed? I'm just concerned that we're going on and on and on. We're having more meetings to discuss things. And I just think we need to get the money spent. It's not a massive amount of money. And I sent some urgency in the officer's voice. So can we not just shortlist like three projects and then take a decision rather than having more and more meetings? Because I think we just need to get something done. Thank you, Councillor Lee. I think that's what this discussion is about. Clearly, what Duncan outlined were what you're mentioning and what a number of us mentioned that did come forward. Paul tells me that the way that Harrogate dealt with it was they had like 20 schemes possibly that they went through. And then they came up with a short list of five, which came back to, or going back to the area committee for a decision to be made. And that seems to me, as I would understand it, what Duncan was suggesting and if that works, that seems to be held. Yeah, to have a good meeting was very clear. There is a need to make these decisions early rather than later to get works. Pound under tier can get quotes and do it now rather than later. So having had a meeting last week, they had about 20 potential schemes and then they were down to five priorities. I don't mean to go ahead, but the officers have got to report back to their next meeting and hopefully for an agreement to be made. So again, I think timescales are very important and it's this task and finish group undertakes a similar sort of role that identified scheme, particularly the proposed travel scheme spring back to this main area committee and for the area committee in June to make that decision. Then that's a June, that would be. So, okay, that's what we're proposing. Yes. Does that sound okay for what you're looking for? Can I just confirm that a task and finish groups in agreed here? Yep. And the members are yourself. Steve, you're right. But Councillor Packham and Kirsty, is that it? And Councillor proud. Estee Michel, but I would like to think that John McCartney knows a lot to say about this sort of thing. He's gone, but I'd like to think that he's open. That's very noble of you. I'd like to think he'd have the opportunity to go to join this. I'm pretty sure he would. Okay, I think that that would that would probably be enough, but okay. Chair, if that can be confirmed, if that group can be confirmed, that would be in an email if you can send that to me, Paul. So I knew who it is. And I'll start moving forward with meetings that are suitable to yourself. And I think there's an indication to have them in this building as well. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's good. I can't really want to come back, I'm told. Yeah, I was just wondering, I mean, I don't want to politicise this, but do you think we could have a bit of political balance on this task and finish group? That's through the chair, please. Through the chair, no, if you've volunteered from them, sorry, you don't pre-end up, you can't get off. I asked for names and those were the people who indicated, and I just had from Councillor Grogan that probably Councillor McCartney is an independent, obviously, would would probably be a good member of that group. And that would bring us to six, which sounds about right. Is that okay, everybody? Right, we'll confirm all of that. Okay, thanks, Andrew. And that will come back on the 11th of June, but I think we'll probably maybe need a couple of meetings to thrash that out. But if, if your time is available to us, then can that choose? I'll work to the 11th of June, and we need an agreement so that at the 11th of June, Eric Committee, you can agree, and then we'll move into the project phase and start progressing it. I think we need a meeting fairly quickly to get that long list down to a short list. Great, thanks very much, everybody. If there's anybody have any further questions on those that we want to feedback on the bus and rail. There was a couple on rail, I think, and then one on the bus service, a short one on the bus services, just bringing this up to date. I'm not checking anything from you, Councillor Posit, because I know the bus is something you've been, no, okay. The only thing that I was interested in on the one from Graham North was really, we've got details of the stations and the numbers of people. Some of the ones like South Milford show a disastrous drop in people using it. What would be useful, I think, to know, is are we aware of any, if you like, structural things that may have caused that, are there less strain stopping there? Or, you know, is this a massive fallout? I think Sherbin had, yeah, Sherbin's gone up. So, you know, I just think it would be interesting, rather than just have the raw data to have some kind of idea of what that means. Because, and also it says that the stations, who the stations are operated by, but obviously other services do stop there. I mean, not everything that comes to sell be as a TPA. And I think that would possibly a bit more breakdown around that, just to have some idea. But that was all it occurred to me, because there are some disastrous stops, I mean, I don't represent South Milford, but it's almost a 50% drop. It would make them make sense to me, that's all I'd like. I will say then, comments back to Graham North for you. Okay. And Kaz Posky may want to come in again. Kirsty. Sorry, Chair, I wasn't quick enough then. I was trying to close the report down and answer it at the time. And I did have a meeting with TransDev on Monday, actually, we were discussing the bus station and there was a conversation about transdev are investing some money into a summertime program, which sees coastal buses go from Leeds to Scarborough. But avoiding Tedcaster, which hopefully then means that those buses that are used for work, for commuters, for all those kind of things are freed up. They're very aware of the £2 is impacted massively and means lots of very busy buses and people not getting on them. So they are looking at a program to invest more buses over those really busy summer periods. So that's a real positive for us. Oh, good, good. Okay, no further questions on any of those. Thank you. Item 11 is the center school, which is obviously a permanent item. We've had, again, a short report, just an update. I think I'll reiterate what Councillor Prout said about the latest position re-planning. How long is it going to take him to decide what colour it's got to be? You know, we just can't afford any more delays, what we want. And I don't see that should hold up turning a sod in the ground and getting it going. So I think we're all a bit concerned, we seem to be flagging up something else. But we are further forward than we've been, which is great, but we're still five years behind where we should be. Has anyone got any other questions to feedback? No. Okay, thank you very much then. Thanks for that update. Item 12 is the item which has been bubbling around our agenda for almost a year now. This is Matt Robinson in terms of resilience and emergencies. Hello, Matt. And again, as I've said to other people, if you can assume people have read it. Obviously, pull out the salient points and then deal with any questions. Is that okay? Councillor Gogan. Sorry, Chair. Can I excuse myself? I've got a licensing committee meeting at the other end of the county. Thank you. I've read the report and I was very impressed with it. Thank you, Matt. Councillor, thanks very much, Chair. And you're absolutely right. This is the third attempt we've had about technology and unfortunately the opportunities more laid out that I can get here. So, Matt Robinson, I head up resilience and emergencies. There's kind of two parts to my presentation. So, I will bypass the first one, which is around about the statutory duties. I really do want to focus on the community side of the work we're doing. So, just a bit of an overview. I head up resilience and emergencies. So, I sit in the local engagement section of the Council. So, that's Rachel Joyce going up to Richard Flinton. Alongside myself and said resilience and emergencies, we've got head of locality, Marianne Jackson. So, you can start seeing community partnerships, resilience coming together. And Vanessa Glover from COMS. So, those restructures are happening within local engagements and within the community safety. But the communications and our self and resilience emergencies are through. So, in a good position now to really kickstart what those community resilience mean. So, my team, we're here for the critical activities of the Council, making sure that they can be delivered. When emergencies, major incidents happen. So, when we have the flooding, when we have the severe weather, when we have the utility issues, how do we maintain our social care? How do we maintain our housing, our schools, our roads, when those incidents are going on? So, that's a big part of what the team is there for. The other part is how do we support the emergency services? Because when the major incidents happen, they're often bigger than one organization. So, we've got a lot of people out there. The other part is how do we support the emergency services? Because when the major incidents happen, they're often bigger than one organization. So, how can we collectively come together to help each other with our critical activities? And the third part, which is obviously the most important part, is when it's the individuals, the families, the businesses that have been affected by the incident. How do we collectively come together as agencies? We're working alongside our political leaders, and working alongside those within the communities to support them in their response, but also in their recovery. So, if it's okay, Chair, I'll jump over a number of the slides, and I'll pick up where I think my team and the elected members come together. And for people that is starting on this slide, which are number-wise, I'm not too sure which one it is. Sorry, no, it's not. It's this slide here. So, I think there's sort of three areas that I'd like to work alongside, elected members. One is that before the incident happens, you are the eyes and ears on the ground, you have those networks within those communities, within the businesses, and how can we help support them, anticipate the incidents before they happen, do their own assessment of how much they're at risk, what can they do to prevent the incident from occurring, what can they do as far as to prepare. So, when the response and the recovery happens, we've made them as resilient as we can do. So, I think there's a role beforehand. I also think there's a role during, because you are the eyes and ears, you are that community link, and I just want to update on exactly how that liaison works between yourselves as members and us as officers during incidents, and then finally the recovery, because quite often the incidents will go on for hours, days. I think we are very much aware of in the Selby area, the recovery can go on for days and weeks and months, if not years, so the role that elected members have on that. I think there's a real value in these area constituency committees, and one of my asks, which we can confirm at the end, is whether you're willing for me or one of my officers to come annually or at least provide a report on what's been occurring within the area, area constituency committee, as far as incidents, all sort of developments we've had within community resilience, but if there's some good practice, we may want to try and share between ourselves. I do have to go to a review and scrutiny, so some of you may have seen me there before, and that's an annual report I give, just to make sure you're all happy that I am discharging the civil contingencies at duties from the organisation in an effective way. The leader of the Council, Councillor Layers, is the portfolio holder for emergency planning, so I have regular catch-ups with the leader. But one of the things also is how we're trying to encourage yourselves elected members to make sure you can access some of the warning systems that we've got, so you know when the heavy rains come in, you know when we've got snow, we've got ice, we've got thunder, we've got wind events, so you're in the best position to try and support your communities. I will sort of pass over this slide, but that's just a few points on how I think, some of the support for yourselves, in what I call integrated emergency management, and again that's what we do before, during and after, but it's those strong links you have within your networks. During the incident, so we're very much aware that it could be the emergency services, let's unnotify the local authority, that an incident has occurred, and we are very quickly wanting to get that information out. In our command structures, we have something called a Silver Commander. The Silver Commander is of a senior level within the organisation who takes command of the incident, and is always one of them on call 24-7-365. That Silver Commander is your link into the council when emergencies and major incidents happen. The way you access that is through my resilience to the emergency duty officers. One of the things I will share outside of this public meeting is the contact details, so how you can get access into the Silver Commander. But the flip side is, you may be aware of something that we're not. It may be something happening on the ground that currently the emergency services aren't aware of, so it's that same mechanism of how can you notify into the council through the Silver Commander. The Silver Commander then works alongside emergency services to make sure that we have the appropriate comms messages. That joins more an informing approach because the environment agency, the Met Office, the police, the fire, the utility companies have all got those pieces of the jigsaw. The media has to be very much coordinated through the Council and the Silver Commander, but there's absolutely a role that we see the elected members have in supporting with us and the media. There is that response into recovery, so when it has been deemed that there's no longer danger to life or the opportunity that is going to be harm, we move into that recovery phase. And the recovery phase, which can try and return a community to normal, the way I always see it is if you break your arm, it never goes back to being fully recovered, so how do we make a community bounce back? And the best way to do that is for a community-led recovery for those people who live and breathe in that town, to be the ones that are leading it supported by the agencies, and I very much see a role for elected members in that. And then the final part is, at the end of any incident, there are major incidents for a reason. They often stretch the capabilities of organisations, so there's always opportunity to identify lessons, and we'd like to involve the elected members in that, and I know we've done that in the past within the 11-name storms that we had throughout this year, an opportunity for councillors to feedback. So, with my team, I have six officers. I have a few managers, but I have six officers. So the officer that is linking with yourself is a lady called Wendy Moulding. And then my second ask out of this chair is that you allow Wendy to make contact with you. I know she's been raising with some of you already because this is six months after I was originally meant to come, but if you've not had contact with Wendy, you allow Wendy to make contact with you to start having some of these actual granular conversations about what it means for you and your patch. What we've also started to produce now is what we call our Community Resilience Profiles. Again, I've blacked these out on here because there's another contact details, but these will be shared with you when you have the opportunity to rest it down with Wendy. There's no being done before. This year, the focus was very much on flooding, and if it's something that works for you, we can look to develop and bring that into some of the other products that the council provides, but again, it's an opportunity for you and my officer to sit down. Just some of the information it gives you, and again, this is why we're focusing on flooding is we've broken each of your sections up, and we've tried to identify, well, as far as the environment agency is concerned, how many warnings do they have within your patch? How many properties do they see at risk, worst case, when that flooding occurs? But then what percentage of people have signed up for that? You can see, obviously, some of those numbers are relatively high, but there is always opportunity to try and move them on. And then that final section is how many of the communities have actually started to develop their own community plans. Now, they could be parish, town councils, they could be businesses like they've got in Taddcaster, but those community partnerships which are being formed, you know, they're another way of trying to get the individuals and families to drive their own resilience. So, Chair, if it's OK, I will pause and stop there. If there are any questions, more than happy to take them. I'll stop sharing my screen, and then I'll turn my mic off. Thank you very much, Matt. Can't say a ducate. Thank you, Chair. On your local community, resilience groups. We used to have one at Valby, we had flood wardens and everything. Now, it's as old ones are gradually dropping off the council. We've got a lot of new people in now. Our plan needs really starting from scratch again. And notice, it's not even mentioned in there. You've got one down, you've not got one down for Valby. But are you still doing where you would come and do like a little public meeting to explain what would be required and what have you. So, we can get more people involved again. Yeah, happy I answered that one. Yeah, so, absolutely. What we did at the beginning of the, is just a bit of a sense check. You know, we have a number of plans that will be on our system that we didn't have the opportunity to say, well, is that local leader still in that community? Are they the ones that are still driving it? And if it's dropped off, that's because we weren't able to make contact with the previous developers of it. Wendy Mulding will be your officer. So, Wendy will be the one that will work alongside. And it doesn't have to be an all-encompassing plan. Some people, it's like a double-sided bit of a for on how to open up your local village hall and make sure people know there's a safe and warm place to go to. If we can start with that, you can then start looking at other capabilities that the community has. So, it doesn't need to be a daunting task community emergency plan. So, it can be quite simple in the outset. OK, thank you. And then, I had Councillor Wernick and Councillor Proud. Thank you, Chair. I think I said last meeting. I'm really really behind all of this. Before I got elected, I was in one of the half a dozen members of the talk with the group. They're planned. People have selected as people have special skills in the cases of a crisis. Since I've been elected, obviously, I have a different role as well as those special skills. And I'm conscious that I kept having to put pressure on the lead person to meet. Now, we met as a group, which I couldn't attend because of the commitments for the Council with Wendy about six weeks ago. And that was pressure put on to update. And I'm very aware that the plans, and even if you don't have a plan, if you just have a parish council that's aware of these issues and has got some way of contacting the relevant authorities needs updating. And I'm also conscious that a former, I think it's a former officer from Harrogate Council of Ian. Yeah, is he former? OK, his plan was to bring to talk with, for example, a model of going through role play to what if scenario. I think, even though talk with, I'm using it as an example because I've got insight, but it goes across the board. Even though they've got a plan, even though they've gone and bought half a dozen torches, half a dozen walkie talkies, have a battle box in the village hall, et cetera, they're not ready. Because it's not up to date, that plan needs reviewing on a fairly regular basis. And whilst there might be in a better position, they're not ready for response and recovery. And I think we need to put more emphasis in training, in developing the plans, getting more, like Councillor Dookett said, getting more people involved, now things have changed a bit. And I think it should become almost, in my case, it should become that we don't let groups set up independent of, for example, a parish council, because it can be constantly on a parish council's agenda to review this. Whereas the group, it takes a phone call to the person who's the lead and you have to say, we don't need to extract the digit and let's have it updated and it's not happening. So I think we need some local authority, you know, at the grassroots level, to be involved with this more than just a group that's arm's length to the parish council. I said a lot then, sorry, but it's... There's probably four things I'm going to come back on, if that's okay. So keeping these plans up to date, absolutely, is the ever-ending task, particularly because these are the more impactive, less likely incidents. It's only a shine in there's always other things to be getting on with. So I'm going to note that and I'm going to come back to what we're going to do about it. Yeah, Ian Spears was the emergency planning manager across at Harrogate. He's taken the opportunity to leave the organization and you'll find him on the dales with his mountain rescue when we meet up quite regularly. So let's go. So the reason why I mentioned the fact that we're in the local engagement section is that the day-to-day resilience that we're trying to build in communities, cost of living in winter pressures, the groups that come forward are often the same ones that may want to support when the acute incidents happen. So I very much see the role between myself and Marianne Jackson is key. Underneath Marianne Jackson, she has a parish and town council manager, a gentleman called Mark Coddman, and we've got a piece of work going around, but what does community resilience mean for us? How do we utilize day-to-day volunteers, day-to-day organizations that are working within communities to make sure if the incident happens, it could be the same people stepping up. So I do think that how we link those less likely incidents in with what's happening within communities is vital when it comes to training and exercise. So one of the things I've asked my manager, who's leading with the community resilience to do, is to put on three events. It's going to be an east, a west, and a central event where we can bring existing communities together, and also those fledgling ones that are starting to think about how they want to develop the resilience to do it. Our master's a workshop idea. Bringing them into services along, let's start having a conversation collectively about what we can offer capabilities and how we can work together, but also the chance for people to see maybe what good looks like and whether or not they want to go to that. It's likely to be early next year, I've got to be honest with everything else that's going on, but the promise is there will be a central community event for any of the groups that have started to develop their plans in order to do some of the training next night he's talking about. I hope that that could be your questions.

• Yeah, just to a point, but I'm going back to what I know in terms of a plan and the membership of that group for the seven, and of those seven, the four military, and if they had their way in a flood with Britain, she'd look in. We need to have people from the farming background, from just business, local knowledge, and I think that's where I'm coming from really, that we need to engage with the local authorities, the parish councils and the town councils.
• Okay, that's it.
• Okay, yeah, certainly 2002, it was a Chinook. Turned up at Do It All Car Park, cut down the lamppost, and that was it. It was, but I'm assuming you're dealing with them with smaller ones than that, but you know that.
• We could still get you a Chinook, it comes at quite a price. Are they absolutely available?
• Yeah, it was an interesting time certainly. Steve, you did have your hand up right at the beginning, Jack. That's why I had you down, but that's fine.
• Yeah, it's sort of getting the public involved is fine, that stopping the public involved is almost as crucial. We did have in 2002, with the assistance of Radio York, a very well-meaning woman who encouraged everybody to go to her community centre, because they would be safe, and the counter going, no, you're down to flood, and they had to go on and counter what she was doing. And a lot of steps away in Wickel, the last time we had the sort of Selby Area Committee years ago, Wickel had got a dedicated band of followers who wanted a Land Rover, a motorboat, and everything going, because they could solve all problems, but what they didn't want to do was talk to you, or the police. They could manage quite well by themselves. I think sometimes individuals need to be taken out, but the sort of local media, I know it's typical now, because of social media, stuff, people, they can over egg the situation. It becomes a terrible thing when nothing has actually happened. One of my neighbors went and got himself some sandbags and petrified everybody in the street, because they all thought we were going to flood, and it wasn't. It's just because he was a nutcase. So I think there is a need. I'd like the idea of sort of Arnold's bit about how you do and how you plan for everything, and in '22 in Melbourne, we had quite a few chinooks, and it was when Gold Command came, that basically everybody would still go away. We will sort it. And I think that's almost what we need, is there's a point where you have to stand back and also reviewing some of the local plans, because at that time, Selby High School was a designated area. I was called in as chair of the government, because I was in the box, except I had not been chair of the government for five years. I went and took us and just lived around the corner. But they hadn't updated. The box, the older, the names, the numbers were all out of date, and I think it's just making sure things there that when you pick up the phone, you're going to get the right person at the right time. And also some authority that you can say, Well, thank you very much, but your time has gone. You need to go home and watch Coronation Street or wherever. Yeah. If you're all watching Coronation Street at the same time, the kettle's all go on, and then the power goes out. But it noted a lot of that, I think, just to give the reassurance, and it would have been earlier if I'd gone through it, it's absolutely the multi-agencies have got their command structures about how they step up to go from your bronze silver gold, and we've actually got one of our gold commanders sign the room at the moment from the council. So those structures are very much there, and they get utilized very quickly when the incidents happen, save and life-reducing harm. You know, that is the premise. But we are a very big county, and sometimes the incident will isolate, so we do need to have a level of whole society resilience out there. OK. I mean, I've just got a couple of questions. When I looked at this, I'm looking at Selby's division, Selby West Division, and seeing no plan. And just now I'm hearing from you that actually probably those of us who are on the town council need to be doing something like Steph suggested happened in Balbee and call some meetings. It would need to be two. I mean, they both cover the town, but they're huge areas. So I think that's something we could do some work around, and hopefully then avoid some of the things that went wrong. But I'm just a bit confused, really. What happens where we have, if you like, a distinct boundary, but a clear bleed in terms of properties? You know, we had flooding, and I'd consider it in the town recently, but strictly speaking, it's in the Brighton parish. But, you know, the road carries on, and the houses carry on. You've got these silly false boundaries sometimes. So what attempts then, you know, or how can we make sure we kind of work together around those? Or would you be able to obscure that line a bit and do it just as, because it's particular, I think, to the town? Yeah, well, it doesn't follow boundaries. Obviously, there are several catchments on the swell, the nid. You know, they're all going to end up coming this way. So the command structure allows us to be locality-based, because we could have the areas of the upper catchments, of your Richmond's and your Craven's, going into recovery before the waters even arrived in Selby. So we can flex that. So there would be local multi-agency coordination put in place in order to support this locality and then on the ground. So we are able to do it, you know. But those large 2015 flood events, the 2012s, they stretch. Major instance, absolutely stretch. You know, we know where we are with capabilities in public sector. So big incidents are very difficult. And that's why working alongside yourselves in the community so we can understand the risks, understand the vulnerabilities that could be in a community at that point and get that information up so that silver up to gold can start saying, actually, our priority needs to be. And you get the scenario of getting a Chinook across in order to support. So the command structures can flex and make sure that we are locality-based. OK, but in terms of, you know, drawing up those emergency plans, I'm kind of thinking, you know, the one for a village is going to be very different to the one for Selby town. Is there a particular formula for pulling one together for a larger connovation or a different way of doing that? I think we might need some help with that. That's right, and the help will be there. And it may be the size you want to do a Selby, brilliant, Barbie, all together in one and work collectively. You may say, actually, because of the unique nature, you want to do a site separate. These aren't statutory duties. These are the sort of the good neighbourhoods coming together in that outset. So we can make it work for you. Yeah, OK. But in terms of the expectation of individuals as well, to me it would be slightly different in the town to a village. So, yeah, OK. Sorry, can I answer the cat's neck? Sorry, John. I went off on one there, sorry. Sorry. I'm not so much a question, comments. My area of expertise is flooding, as I live at Kwood. Although Kwood doesn't flood, we are well defended. For the last few months, I've actually been feeding a lot of information back to our local officers because I've got more information than they have. We've got a video of how our river defences work and I've written a paper with regard to the timeline on how the flooding starts and how it finishes so that we can get officers in to sweep roads, to get them reopened as soon as possible. The one thing I think that we failed on, we North Yorkshire, was that we've got five roads coming into Kwood. But when we get flooding, we lose two of those. The information on the North Yorkshire website with regard to closed roads was not very up to date and especially at weekends. And if we are going to do this seriously, to me it's got to be updated 24/7. The other thing I am worried about, and it was touched on, is that over the last 20 years, one of the best helpers has been Radio York. I can remember, was it 2000, when we were having fun in games in Barbie with a new housing development. We seem to not have Radio York anymore, it seems to be Radio Yorkshire and I'm worried that they are not going to be able to give us the up-to-date information that deals with our area. And that may be something that you could look at. Thanks Councillor CATT. It's a three things. So absolutely, I've got a copy of your time sheets. I think we had an email exchange around them and I know Wendy Linked team with the comms team about how we could utilise that information. One of the things we're looking at the Council this year is the update of our flood plans. We're a unitary, how does that work? And that's going to be locality-based. Community summary sheets, what does it mean in K-wood? What levels actually worry about us? What infrastructure do we lose at what point? And what does the response look like? So they're being developed this year. The roundabout of comms, I think there was notice at the very outset of our 11 named storms about the 24/7 provision of comms. And actually we changed some of our internal processes to help provide better comms and incidents. Hopefully you'll see some of that play through. And then the radio york, absolutely some of that's gone regional, but they've still got the connecting in a crisis responsibility. And if there is those incidents going on, they can still localise it. And I've been on such radio events in the past in order to talk. So we can focus in particular with the BBC because they have that duty of connecting in a chronic sense. Yes, John. Yeah, it's only enough when we got the A-wood Road or the K-wood Bridge reopened. I think I was the one that got the information to radio york first. Partly because I do notice somebody in the village works for them. And we got it within an hour that they kept on saying the road was reopened. So I was really pleased that we could actually do that. Okay. Sorry. Thank you. Thank you. Sorry. It's not often that I can say as a board member for Ted custom say we are ahead of the curve with this, but it's only because we've had to be ahead of the curve. I think we are. We obviously we have an emergency planning committee. We meet quite regularly and our emergency plan is really good. We work so cohesively with so many agencies and that is the key. So we've got the EA apart of our group. We work really closely with North Yorkshire as well, especially most recently with bridge closures and things. So I think it is absolutely cohesive. It's got to be community groups and the PowerShell town councils. They have to work together and that's how ours works. So the Floyd action group for tadcaster obviously lead on a lot of things, but we were all worked together as part of the town council. And just recently, because we've had bridge closures, which is not a huge emergency. It's not like the bridge collapsing, but North Yorkshire have worked really closely with us on a comms plan because all the issues that others. Members have raised about getting the comms out. That's the community is a real problem, but they've worked really closely with us on that. And so that's been really welcome. I would love to have Wendy at one of our planning committee meetings. We meet really regularly. So I'll reach out to her and see if she wants to come along. But it when you are faced with those situations such as a bridge collapse or extensive flooding. That's when you rely so much on that local knowledge and like all my other colleagues have said, we are the ones that are on the ground. We are the ones that are going to be able to get that right up to date information out to everyone. So handing over to people is can be can be challenging, but happy to work with others and share what we do here on it. Like I said, only because we've been forced to do, you know, have a really tight plan. But yeah, I'm really happy with the comms with North Yorkshire. They've worked really closely with us recently, especially Karl Battersby and his team. Thanks, Kirsty. Okay, just for now. Yep. Councillor Packen. Yeah, mine was more of a comment as well, Rudy, and really just to support some of the things Kirsty said in particular, I've been involving our town council in moving this forward and they've been working quite hard to get an emergency plan together. I think the town council is the right people to do it. I hear what you say about the difficulty of different size settlements. But the template that North Yorkshire have produced is very useful and helpful and very adaptable. And also we've had good experience. We've had support from Wendy and we hope that moving forward will get our emergency plan in place fairly soon. So I think it is something that if you get a group of people together, particularly a town or parish council, it's not a difficult process to come up and fill in the boxes. I agree as well with what others have said that you really do need to make sure it's updated properly, because otherwise you get Steve going to the high school. Okay. Any other comments or thoughts or suggestions? Okay. Is there a special way of doing it because I'm always told that the river air moves exceeding slow and the water almost comes along in blocks and does that require a special sort of process? Yes, the river air's tidal as well. So that impacts I think back to 2021, you know, where we're having around Chapel housing such the issues. That was because of the tide coming in and obviously it's a unique in a way that it starts up in North Yorkshire. It goes through West Yorkshire, comes into North Yorkshire, goes out to Humber. So the look about the development of the river air plan is something we're looking at, but it does get a little bit tidal locked with the water. Okay. Thank you. Right. Thanks everybody. Thank you very much, Matt. And I think, you know, we're more than happy to get regular reports. That would be great. Sorry. You're just. No. Okay. Sorry. Yes, you know, that's fine. Thank you very much. So we now move on to the work program, which you've had before. You as part of the agenda. It's considerable as it always is. I suppose really we've got now looking at the list. We've got certain things slotted into the meetings as we move forward. Is there anything there that people feel is less urgent and anything on the. Possible future areas list that you feel we should be bringing forward. I think that's probably where we can start. Councillor WANNER can. Thank you. Well, firstly, just an observation about the. Section of the report, page one, two, four. We won't be expecting, I guess, annual reports in the police and crime commissioner. But maybe we should slot in maybe a report from the mayor's office there. This will keep in continuity on the crime commissioner's former role. But the other thing is. We are we have got about the water issue on our work program. And what I'd like to do if possible is to not have an extra item about water quality, but as get an update as to the motion that went through Council as well. Because as scrutiny, we've got that coming next month. I think I'm not. At the moment, I'm not convinced it's going. Excuse the pundits blowing through Council as well as it should be. And it might even be getting a bit diluted as well. So I just think that. If we can keep a tabs on it from our perspective, at least we're issuing that. What's happening in the entity constituency. They sell the names. So I'll put a first for the first time. If the sale be an entity constituency, then at least we're doing our bit for the water quality in this area. So I'd like to tie it into that water quality section within the work program. Okay. We should say it was a big piece of work and I don't think any of us are happy that it's moving as well as we hope. And I know when we put air quality and water quality on. And I remember Karl pulled us up and said, well, what does that mean? They're huge, they're huge subjects. And I think we, you know, we did narrow those down. So I think we do need to keep. And they're both incredibly important for us. And that quite how we do that will probably have a look at and come back. So there's anything else in terms of the work program. People want to shift move. Reprioritize, deprioritize. And just to mention, you now need to add on the one about come back with the ACC seats on the interview and onto the list. Yes. Will I tie it? Yes, we'll add that in, obviously. And the other thing that I wrote down was obviously last year we had a couple of extra meetings online about particular subjects. So if you could give some thought to the issues, I mean, that was largely around the enforcement and traffic management issue, which was a problem locally. I think it'd be certainly good to get some figures back on how enforcement's going. Now we've got new traffic wardens and things, not necessarily. So I don't think these things necessarily need to be on our agenda, but I think they need to be information that comes back to us and that we have access to in the same ways. I think we need to know if there are care homes failing in our area or schools failing in our area. Don't want to report an agenda item, but it's information, which is critical for our planning. So we'll pull that together. And on that note, sorry, Councilor, you all right? Just thanking Stephen for his contribution to this committee has been a very good support and advice. I'm sure Paul will be sent off from old. And I just think we should have a week round in my steven packet of paracetamol, because when it gets to Richmond, he's going to need them. No, I certainly would endorse that. Steve's been a great help, particularly to me in this was a new committee and a new chair in role for me. So I think we will miss him. He's always on holiday though. No, he's he's a permanent man. It's like. Yeah, it's his second time. The harvest probably. Just coming just, I mean, is the office manager for care, either the MP has actually wouldn't normally talk, but. Do you want to have a work with me afterwards, or does it want to be shared with the whole thing? I had a member's feel about that. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Yes, that just that was a mic. Things recorded. So here is meeting with the Minister of State for rail next month. So if any members or if any members constituents have issues that they think might benefit to raise, please do get in touch with the office. Also, we have an update on the flooding issue, which was raised. It's able to written question to death for IDBs were promised 75 million pounds of funding. At the NFU event in January by the Prime Minister, Grunch should be allocated in June. So that's just an update for you all. Thank you. Thank you. Apologies. Yeah, no, no, it's just, honestly, I don't mind. But it is protocols and I was get told off because I don't follow them. But yeah, I think that's the kind of thing that, as I said, you know, if key can put in a written report anyway, whether he's here or not, that goes out. And that's the kind of information, you know, that would be incredibly useful in that. Okay. Okay. If you want to feed it for yourself. Yeah. In future, I'll cascade it to members. Yes. Okay. Thank you very much, everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [ Silence ]