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I think I see a training need and it was it was yes. I can't help with technology. I must do it, sir. Yeah, just come through now. There we go. I know. Join me again. I've got some questions on here. Why have they gone? No, you can share. Thanks. I still believe they've gone. I'm going to go there. Go on. I don't know that one. I'll just go forward. I'll move that away. I'll just go back. I don't. I click on that. Yep, that one. Come on. That's strange. Yeah, that's it. I just think it's very slow. I think it's a little bit too steep. You've worked on it. Yes. Finally, apologies for that. Apologies for that. Thank you very much for inviting us. So I'm Vicki Flowers in the Head of Environmental Protection, a work in Kyle's Directorate in an Environment. What I'm going to do is just give you a really brief context about air quality and how we're going to deliver it in the new council. And then Kevin, who's my colleague, he's gone to give you an overview of how we do an air quality in general, but obviously, more specifically for Selby. So, as I said, we're in Kyle's Directorate in regulatory services, which is headed by Callum McEwen. Callum covers lots of areas, including environmental health trade and standards, coroners, bereavement and registrars. So, I'm in that. Oh, yes, certainly. Sorry. Sorry. They're not very powerful, these mics. Yeah. Is that better? Yes. Sorry. Okay. So, in the service that I manage in environmental protection, we cover lots of different areas, things like statutory nuisance, public health, caravan site, licensed in private water supplies, all those areas are very demanding, and a lot of it's very reactive. So, in order to quality and all the reviews, which is contaminated land and environmental permit in which is pollution control, get the necessary attention that they deserve. We've created a scientific team. This scientific team is headed by Kevin as a divisional officer. The scientific team covers the whole of the county. We've got six FTAs, which is eight offices in that team. It's literally just come to fruition on the 14th of April, so we've just started. They have been doing all the work as well, which you're going to find out about in a moment. But the main reason, as I said, is so that we can concentrate on these really important areas of work and that don't get overwhelmed by the very much reactive and other work that we do in environmental protection. I think we've got lots of statutory requirements around the equality that Kevin's going to explain to you, and he's going to tell you about how we're going to look at things and tell me what our plans for the future are. Sorry, Kevin. Thank you. You should be able to put yours on now, Kevin. Now Vicki's is off. Great. So Rok here. That's great. Yeah, marvelous. Excellent. That's something's going right. Anyway, my name is Kevin Carr. I've got the privilege of being the division officer for the scientific team with North Yorkshire Council. It's supposed to. I'm very excited to start because it really sort of encompasses my background and in what I've done throughout the years. I've worked in industry, chemicals, steel, watermative, where I've had a sort of a scientific and monitoring sort of background there. I've also worked in local government for the best part of 17 years, I think now doing environmental health. So it's a fantastic opportunity for me to actually work within the area that I'm more qualified to do. I've had a great adventure at Richmondshire doing all sorts of bits and bobs, licensing, housing options, the whole of the environmental health section. So it's a good opportunity to sort of come home and do really what it is I'm most familiar with. So I'll start this here. Well, first of all, I will answer a very important question regarding bull rushes. I did speak to a colleague of mine, Madam Chair, and apparently there's no alternative if you don't want to spray them, other than to get your weirders on and get in there and pull them out. I'm afraid so. Thank you very much, Kevin, for that. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Anyway, to the mother at hand. Yeah, so again, just to just to reiterate what Vicki's already said, we now have a scientific team, not that we're going for any sort of cliches or anything. I'm not sure which one's Vicki in which one's me, but this is this is the team. Also, we will be working with partners across the whole Council where we hope to engage in other sort of project work with a view of having a holistic approach to our quality and hopefully embedded into all the areas of work within the Council in a similar way to the way climate change has been adopted. So just a little bit of background, really, as to what the sort of things we do within our quality itself. A lot of it is quite prescriptive. We effectively work as agents of Defra, which sounds a bit marvelous. But we basically do as we are told, Defra, with the real experts and the civil service, they come up with a scheme to improve our quality throughout the whole country. They issue objective levels and wears and beings of monitoring quality pollutants and also schemes in which you would implement in order to address those. So the local air quality management process places an obligation on all local authorities to regularly review and assess air quality in their areas and to determine whether or not the air quality objectives are likely to be achieved. Objectives, if you want to look at them, are contained there. Now, back in the day, when we started all of this, there was a whole host of pollutants we had to look at and various sources, et cetera. So there's a list here. So we were looking at things such as particles, which was merely just PM10 in those days. That's particulate matter, which is less than 10 microns in diameter. They're the ones of concern because when you breathe them in, they can get deep into your lungs. That's people with many well young people, people with existing respiratory conditions such as COPD, asthma, and then the like. So for dioxide, which was mainly where it's quite prevalent in the days where we still burn a lot of coal and we are called burning power stations, domestic fuel, et cetera, et cetera. Many goes back to the time of historically when a lot of people are called fires. That's declined significantly in recent years. Police cyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, PAHs, they're mainly from industrial processes, coal production, transport fires. Again, as industry is sort of declined over the years, this sort of heavy industry, those levels again have gone down. Benzene, again, combustion processes and transport used to be quite a large ingredient in petrol, which again, I think has dropped quite odd over the years. One, three, butadiene, similar sort of thing. Carbon monoxide, which came from, again, any sort of combustion process, but mainly sort of raw transport. Residential industrial combustion used to, when I worked at the steelworks, there was big orange flames used to fire the steel plant, that was all them flaming off the carbon monoxide. Lead, probably the most prominent source, as you probably remember, was petrol, where they put it in, but again, that was removed quite a few years ago. And nitrogen dioxide, the one that was most familiar with these days from raw transport. There's also ammonia and ozone, which because they sort of have cross-boundary effects, that's not something the local authority would tend to monitor. It's more for an environment agency or the government to do. So, looking at these, over the years, we've sort of filtered out, and this is not just coming around North Yorkshire, but it's sort of whittled it down just to one or two now of concern. So the pollutant of concern in North Yorkshire is, surprise surprise, nitrogen dioxide, which comes from transport, mainly. It cannot actually come from gas boilers as well, but if you look at the actual range of risk of exposure, it's mainly food transport. In case you don't know what transport looks like, there's a picture. And how do we measure these? Well, nitrogen dioxide is measured by, you may wander around the town, and you may see these things sticking on lamp posts. These are called diffusion tubes. And it's what it says it is. It's a small tube. And at the top bit, where the cap is, there's a small metal gores, which is stored in a chemical on the left up there for a month, and over that month. And you know, nitrogen dioxide, that's around, reacts with the chemical on the gores. We come along, take it away, put a new one up, send it away for analysis, and we get our monthly results. There's hundreds of these all around North Yorkshire, every former baron district happened, and we're still there. This is what my team's taking over. We are responsible now for the network. Should have said as well, where you actually position these is dictated again by government guidelines. You can't just put them up anywhere. There's a whole form of technical guidance, which is associated with this as where you put them. And a lot of it depends on traffic floors, distance from receptors or residents from the road, annual traffic accounts, etc. There's quite a lot of criteria as to where you will put these. So you just put them really of the areas of concern. There are objective levels, again, issued by the government for all pollutants I've mentioned. And I think the nitrogen dioxide level has an annual mean of 40 microns per cubic meter. And if you exceed that, you have to then declare an air quality management area. Because that goes to show that if you're above that objective level, that then becomes of concern to us. And if you have an air quality management area, you therefore have to come up with a plan on how you are going to deal with that problem. So therefore, you have to have an air quality action plan. Currently there are, well, two weeks ago, currently there were seven separate air quality action plans in North Yorkshire, produced by the former district and borough councils. And they are required to be reviewed every five years. So that five years was up. So again, it was the opportunity to sort of combine all of these and produce one air quality action plan for the whole of North Yorkshire. And in that action plan, so there are one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. There was seven air quality management areas from across the whole county. Now, as I mentioned, there are objective levels issued by the government. Now, if in those air quality management areas, you fall below the objective levels for five consecutive years, you are obliged by defra to revoke those air quality management areas. So in our draft quality management plan, which we submitted at the end of March, we have proposed to revoke the ones in red. So that is your place, Nairsboro, low and high scale gate in Rippen and molten town center, because, therefore, say we have to. And these are maps. So these give you an indication of really the sort of what an air quality management area looks like. So again, it's the bits in dark brown and no surprises because it's for a traffic pollutant. They follow the route of the roads, essentially. So that's on then Nairsboro. We're keeping that one because the levels are still quite high and we haven't had with, we have not five continuous years of compliance. Your place, again, it's along the road. That one's fallen below, so that will go. But we're asking defra, whether it be road Harrogate, that's actually flat above a pub. So even though it's just one property, it still requires an air quality management area because the monitoring on that junction was above the compliance level. We're keeping that one. This is Rippen. And again, narrow roads, narrow pavements, you've got close proximity to traffic, lots of truck. Well, it's the traffic wedges along these narrow roads. And because of the canyon effect of those streets, the pollutants build up. However, over the last few years, Rippen levels have actually complied. So again, we can revolve that. Just up the road here. We've got Shelby. Levels are still quite high in Shelby, so we'll be keeping that one. That's very much of interest to us at the moment. We haven't crossed this out. It's just the way the map is. This is Molten Town Centre. Levels there, again, have been compliant, and we've proposed to revolve this one. And this is a junction in Beedale. It's not too bad, actually. This one now. But there's a lot of development going to happen around about it, which we're a little bit concerned about the traffic flow through that area. So we're proposing to keep that even though it technically could be complied. The Environmental Health Department, we write the reports. We submit them to Defra. However, we don't really have a lot of power to do much about anything. So we rely very much on partners. As I've talked about, a lot of the issues here are traffic related. So we're talking about traffic flows, traffic concentrations, etc. So we're relying very much on our colleagues from highways to engage with us in this process. And again, planners as well. We're very much interested in having an involvement in any new developments which are taking place. So there's a lot of impacts of cumulative development, etc. Because the more houses you have, probably even more cars you will need to get to those properties and they'll all be driving along the same roads in general. So that could have an effect on air quality in these areas. The most in future work that we've got to do, well, we're required by Defra to put a draft air quality action plan in at the end of March this year. It's a bit of a challenge because we didn't have a team then. So several willing volunteers who have helped me with this. So what we've done is pick out the main generic points of the existing action plans and put them together in a document to submit to Defra. I wouldn't describe it as complete by any stretch of the imagination. However, we have proposals there to revoke certain air quality management areas, as I've said, based on what Defra said. But again, a lot of what's in there is fairly generic and we're relying on partners to feed more specific information in the schemes and things to us before the final version is due at the end of September this year. So, in fact, we've created a state air quality steering group, in the words of steering group, insisting of officers from different departments across councils, such as highways, public health, trading standards, planning, and others, which have slipped me mind. So, once that's done, we also have, as I said, the air quality action plan is due to be reviewed every five years, but we monitor its progress annually in an annual status report. Now, it's the annual status report. These are on the website if anybody wants to look at them. The annual status report, again, the ones up there from last year are for the previous boroughs and districts, which gives you an idea and feel as to what the levels are. They actually report on the air quality monitoring data. So, it's there if you want to have a look at that. So, we do that every year as well. That's sort of a bit of an update, really, on what's going on with the air quality action plan as well. So, June, at the end of June this year, we have to prepare our first North Yorkshire annual status report. So, again, one of the first jobs the team will be doing is getting together, combining all the monitoring data and producing our first annual status report. So, that's one of the first things we have to do. And then the final quality action plan, once we've again, hopefully heard back from our friends on the steering group, is to compile everything and put the final submission in, which will be going to Carl's meeting. And also, because we have public health involvement now, definitely recommend that we have signed off by the director of public health as well. So, again, we'll be working with our colleagues in public health very closely with regard to that, too. I should have put on there as well. We're very keen to work with our friends in public health and others on the steering group to produce an air quality strategy for North Yorkshire. I think this is something very much that the former districts and boroughs can bring to the table to add to what our friends in public health have already done by bringing in a regulatory aspect to a strategy which I think was missing before. So, we complement each other quite well. They do a lot of health promotion and education. We do a lot of regulatory work and enforcement. So, we put the two together. We've got a good approach. So, there we go. So, what else we do? We consulted on planning applications, mainly contaminated land ones within my team, but, again, anything with an air quality component we want to see. As I said, we want to keep an eye on cumulative development and work with planners to encourage developers to buy into all of this and really sort of have some sort of engagement as to assessing the quality implications of development. So, we can't just build more houses without you, consideration as to the effects, so that we're against development or anything like that. We just want people to think about the impact that they might have and any particular solutions or mitigation mitigating factors that they can put into to help. I've mentioned project with work with partners. One thing I should say is that if we revoke an air quality management area, it doesn't mean to say that we stop monitoring it. The monitoring will continue. Not very important, because people keep telling me all the time, what about COVID? You know, people have, you've got five continuous years of data that has been compliant, but what about the COVID years where people didn't drive around so much or even even know where this being sort of a gradual return to work, but we're not quite to the levels that we were a few years ago. Well, deficit, it's five years, five years, that's it, but we will continue to monitor because if levels do start the creep up, we do want it to happen, but it's important to keep an eye on things just in case we have to then reimplement any sort of air quality management area. So, the plan is really that we never get back to that stage by working with partners. And again, I mentioned health and environmental promotion work, there's opportunities. We've recently got some money for some monitors. So, we're very keen on working with our colleagues and public health and elsewhere to do various air quality projects, particularly outside schools where there may be concerns about idling. You know, cars idling when they drop kids off their traffic building with certain times that they're in the impact that they're housed both externally and internally in schools. We probably also work with our colleagues in housing as well, and public health regarding indoor air quality. That's a bit of an open book at the moment, as to how we brought it up, but we're very interested in being involved. Again, going back to, in addition, really, to seeing that the monitoring won't stop, even though an air quality management area is revoked, there is new legislation coming in anywhere where it's coming now, which sets targets for PM 2.5. So, that's even smaller particles than what I mentioned before. That's 2.5 microns in diameter. These actually get into your bloodstream. So, if you breathe these things in, if there's any metals associated with those, which may come from engine wear, et cetera, they can actually end up in your brain. And so, they could accumulate in there. So, they are of particular concern. The smaller the particles, the more dangerous they tend to be. So, the government have come up with target values of 10 microns per cubic meter. The world health organization are asking for five. Yeah, good look with that one. But, I think we've got to start somewhere, at least, particularly seriously now. There's monitors going up across the country, extra monitors going up across the country. It's actually put up by Defra. We've recently had an application for one in Scarborough. There's definitely one in Harrogate, I believe. So, we're quite keen, again, to work with Defra on that to access their data. We've got six smaller monitors on order at the moment, which we hope will arrive soon. So, we can look at various areas of particular concern with where we can install these and, again, do our role monitoring. As I said before, we could be working with public health outside schools, planning even areas which are fairly contentious where our quality management areas may have to be revoked because of the death of guidance. But it doesn't mean to say that we can't do our role monitoring work as well. Okay, it's not that these in dioxide, but PM2.5 still comes out of an exhaust pipe, so one will inform on the other. So, lots of opportunities for doing things. And, again, another requirement is the PM2.5 levels have to reduce by 35% by 2040 compared to a 2018 baseline. So, there seems to be a bit of lack of data at the moment as well. So, if we can do our role monitoring and feed that into the government as well, again, working on working with partners. If we can demonstrate schemes that we've introduced, which demonstrate these reductions in PM2.5 because of the interventions that we've put in place as part of projects, that's good for the communities, good for us. And for the Council, really, to show that we're making these efforts to comply with what the government's asking. Yeah, the act of all sorts of local authorities are required to work more cohesively to tackle their quality issues. So, again, they've written it in the legislation this time, but we are seeking cooperation from our colleagues on the steering group and so far, I'm glad to say we've got lots of willing volunteers. And I'm currently being asked to join, Barry Mason's Transport Planning Group as well. So, that's good. So, again, it's just a question of trying to feed in the importance of air quality into all the Council's policies and procedures. So, it gets a similar, once I said before, similar status to climate change. Carbon dioxide comes out of an exhaust pipe, so does air quality pollution. One affects global climate change and global warming, the other one affects health directly. So, you know, this big crossover is between the two of them. Right, that's it for now. So, if anyone's got any questions, you'll be delighted to answer them all. Okay, thank you for that, Kevin. I've got Councillor Gogan, Councillor Shaw, right, Councillor Warnequin. And Councillor Landon, sorry, Jeff. Thanks for that, Kevin. I'm rather surprised that we've not got any air quality management areas in Scarborough, Skipton or Nautilatin. Obviously, you can explain as to why that's not the case because you think of those traffic there, but you've got some new bits of kit that you're going to put out. I'd like to see that you put them into Sherbin. I think I'll get support from Councillor Pacham. Sherbin, the staggered crossroads in the middle, a lot of congregations, a lot of people go around there. That's quite bad. And also in Todcaster, the Dunchener Bridge Street and Kirgett. So, if you're going to look at areas to put those, I'd like them to put that. We can explain why there's no problems in Scarborough and Skipton. Yeah, I'm not saying there isn't any problems in Scarborough and Skipton. However, all I always say is there's a large technical guidance produced by the government, which we work to. And it doesn't mean how can I explain this. You may have areas which are high, have pollutant levels, which are higher than the objective levels, but unless you have a relevant receptor close by within the distance dictated, it isn't a problem. So, unless you're, unless there's somebody there breathing it in for a certain length of time, again dictated by the technical guidance, we don't take that into consideration. So, it doesn't mean to say that, like, how can I best explain it? How are you a good bus station or somewhere like that? You would probably get high levels or railway station. You might get high levels of pollution there compared to where you would. It's some of the areas in the air quality management areas, but because people don't reside there for long enough, it's not, it's not taken to be an issue that would require an air quality management area. It's where the exposure time as well is just the levels. So, that's, that's the only thing I could, I could suggest as to, as to why they haven't. Mention Kerger and Sherbin is a big new congregate there to cross the road, particularly children, because the school's near there. So, that's where they would be at risk. Yeah. Well, if you, what are we suggesting? If you don't mind, please, anyone who's got any suggestions, I've got six monitors, and I'm looking at, currently we're looking at where to put them. Yeah. So, if you've got any suggestions, I'm glad to hear them, but please don't be disappointed. There's not first-come, first-service or anything like that. We've got to try and assess what the need is and prioritize them. Obviously, we've, I suppose we've got to be sure to be, well, not only sharing the love across the whole county, but we've got to maybe look at different scenarios as well, so it could be outside schools, it could be the situations that you've mentioned there as well, but we'd have to assess them on the, but they are movable, so it would mean that if they were there, maybe for a couple of years, it doesn't mean to say that we can't then look at other locations after that. It would be nice to sort of program a scheme of works where we can get around as many of these locations as we can with the resources that we have available. Of course, if you want to give us more money to buy some more monitors, then that's really helpful, and the more money we have, the more monitors and the more monitoring we can do, so that would be excellent. You're your best, Kerry. Right. Thank you. Food for thought. Cancer is sure right. Yeah, a couple of times. I mean, the sell grew on Crescent No Street. There is an easy solution. You buy 16, 18, 22, 26 and knock them down, which would solve the problem. Or you stop cars turning right as they leave Selby and turning left as they, not right as they enter and leave, which would speed up the traffic. Other than that, it's going to be stuck forever. It's in our street. Something comes the other way, finished. If you could move West North foods as well, that'd be great. Stop all the wagons coming in. Make people use the bypass, which they don't do. People still drive through the middle of town, so I think it's going to be, it's going to be quicker. But on the areas of pollution, do you consider methane at the top? Because we have five or six ex-colories, which will have a methane drainage point, which will either be used or drained off. And then while you're thinking about that one, contaminated land within Selby District, we've got these three areas that are like lethal. Do you do any monitoring of those? Because one of them, or two, consistently keep putting for housing. And there's a review out for one of them down Bongay that has got every contaminant from A to Z that you could wish. And do you monitor what happens with that? Because when it does rain, there is a small stream to once side of it that can run purple and orange, which is not healthy for the people who live down there. Well, we certainly will be looking into that here. This was regard to the other points you've raised. As I mentioned, the steering group will be North York. Highways are on that steering group. So yeah, hopefully be able to feed in to that and make suggestions. It was moot, as I believe, and the Harrogate one, it was one put with one flat above. That was one of the options was to buy it and knock it down. But it didn't happen because it's still... How much did the monitor discuss? The monitor works out around about, well, with it all in about £20,000 each. OK. For those particular ones, yeah. Right, Councillor Wernichen. Thank you, Chair. Since you've presented this scrutiny, I've been doing a bit of reading. And I'm glad that you've mentioned planning again, but it's triggered a thought in my head because the reading I've been doing is to do with schools. And we've got in this constituency committee area, we've got the proposed send school that we think is going to go ahead. Firstly, when you say you consulted on this, in that process, do you have any advisory capacity to say we think people should walk to school or get a bus to school and not bring a car and idle outside the school? And the reason I'm concerned about, I'm asking for a radical change here, but the reason behind that is that the report I did read just recently, which isn't a new report, it's from 2021. Research has established that in the duration of a child at a primary school with the pollutants outside the school reduces that child's life by six months. And that to me is a good enough reason to have these tubes outside every primary school in the county. But in terms of planning, do you have any input to say how we should restrict the traffic to prevent this scenario occurring? Again, just going back to the steering group, these are certain issues we can, we can purport through this avenue. Again, we're looking at various different ways of being involved in these processes. But for what you're saying there, that seems to be, that would come under very much what public health trying to do at the moment. So again, public health have been very, very keen to work with us. Yeah, they do health promotion, health education, but I think they're very keen on tapping into our skills regarding monitoring to do exactly what you're suggesting. So although it may not form part of the network as such that we use, based on the government guidelines that I've referred to for local air quality management, it doesn't necessarily preclude us from getting involved in a project such as what you're seeing. And maybe looking upon it from the Environment Act perspective with the new PM10 levels that have come in. So again, it could form part of a project that we look at interventions in order to demonstrate that we're doing our bit to try and reduce PM2.5 and do it that way. Yeah. Councillor LAND. Thank you, Chair. Yeah. I remember some 15 to 18 years ago on Selby District Council being given a presentation about air quality, especially around New Street. And it hasn't changed. Steve was correct that what we really need is half the road knocked down and a change in priority in the traffic lights to keep traffic moving. But it is, even though we've got a bypass and we've got another bridge going over the river at a different place, people from time will use that to get to York. We're stuck with it. And all that seems to be happening is that we're gathering more data and gathering more refined data. And wonderful as that is, I would like to see solutions to the problem. And a short-term solution surely could be worked out with highways. Well, we could do some of the things. Okay, maybe you don't want to compulsory purchase half the street and knock it down. I think Steve left on when it was a conservative club there, didn't he? That's not the case. But we could do something with the traffic lights or not allow people coming either way to turn right. Because they're stuck there and because they're stuck there, it's a narrow road. Everything's stuck behind them. Nothing is moving. And we're getting these pollutants. So this has been a problem. It's not just been discovered. I remember 18 years ago having a presentation about the same thing. Thank you. Sorry, I didn't. I'm killing all this out. Yeah. I think to, you know, what I'm hearing is there does at least seem to be joined up thinking now because of this steering group. But, you know, ultimately, the decision is in our hands. So we can make those decisions as members. And we don't join up, I think, in their quality is so important. And I mean, I know Arnold raised it probably a number of months ago now. And that's why we've bought the quality stuff here. It is important and everything feeds into it. And until we join it up there, rather than try and mess about down here, you know, even knocking the properties down, you could have a one way down that street. It wouldn't be popular, but there are solutions we need to get together here and come up with them. It's not down to Kevin to solve that. We can do this with the data. It is partly, I must admit, and I think it is one of the great opportunities of going unitary that we have all the departments who can have an input into these things under one roof. And really, it's up to us as officers as well to take advantage of these opportunities and make sure we do work together to come up with some solutions. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, previously we have things like, oh, it's not us. It's a district council. It's North Rock County Council, County Council said it's not us. It's a district council. I know there was a certain way of passing the book. I do hope that finishes. Thank you. Yeah. I went to that. Councillor Beckham, then Councillor Duckett. Thanks, Joe. Yeah. I mean, from what I've heard, it's all very nice. And we've got six or seven areas that we've designated. And we're going to get rid of three of them. And we've got six new monitors. I mean, I don't really think we're taking this particularly seriously as a council. And that's not the officers fault. They can only work with what they've got. But I am quite surprised that, you know, there must be many areas, and Tim's already mentioned Sherman Crossroads, where there are residents living very close to areas with high pollution. How many areas do we actually get around to monitoring over a period of, say, five years? And how many should we be monitoring? Yeah. I'm trying to think how many tubes we have in total. It's somewhere in the region of six to seven hundred across the council. So that in itself, they're changed monthly. So we do chop and change to be fair. If we satisfy that an area historically has been quite low. We need to have some sort of background levels. But we can't move tubes where we satisfy that an area isn't of particular concern anymore. We can move them or we can buy extra tubes with more tubes. You have the more resource you need to actually go and move them. But yes, there's nothing to stop us from. We probably could do with a review of where they are to be quite honest and then try and work out if there are areas which we should be looking at to replace ones that have just been, well, I suppose, monitored out of habit for one of a better description. So, yeah, I take a point on that as well. But again, this is an opportunity for this team to specifically look at this, whereas before, it's always been pretty much a bit of an add on to the environmental protection team and nobody's ever really had the time to devote to it, which are deserved. And just a quick follow up. Do we actually publish the results of our monitoring? Yes, I mentioned the annual status report there on the website so you can look at those in any time. Yeah, I think it would be probably useful for us to not have a presentation or done, but for me that's the kind of data that we need to see as an area committee. I'm assuming we would be told if levels were high in our area, we would be notified fairly quickly. I think what I was left a bit confused about is that it seems to me that central government decide based on probably modeling, which has never been a favourite thing of mine, where they're going to go, and they will no longer deal with our data that we're sending in if the readings get to low. So, I mean, this is new to me, but that's what I think I've got a load of questions so I haven't got rounds of sending you. Well, that's fine. We're just to confirm that the air quality management area and the air quality action plan may be reformed, but it doesn't stop us from monitoring. The monitoring still continues. It's just I suppose the group of people who would look at methods that I suppose the impetus to lower the levels of pollution is reduced, because if it complies, you're not obliged to do it. If you know what I mean, but it doesn't mean to say that we don't stop monitoring. And when I was trying to say again with this new legislation with regard to PM 2.5, there still is that there is now an impetus to demonstrate that you are lowering pollution over a set period of time. So we're still going to have to do that. So we have to come up with schemes and then report that back to the government. The responsibility for reducing PM 2.5 is actually on central government, but to look into local authorities to assist with that. And it's actually it's an opportunity for us to do this locally as well and come up with projects, which we can report the government. I think it's going up in priority in all in all our minds, really. So, sorry, you can't see the ducate. Yeah, I'd like to know if you're doing any work with the Barbie Bridge primary school. Sorry, could you just repeat that, please? Barbie Bridge primary school, just over the old tall bridge from New Street. Yeah, I'll be playing on this with you. I'm fairly new to this, and I can't really feed any specifics at all. But if there's only work going on with primary schools directly, it'll be done by our public health colleagues. They've definitely got very good contacts with schools. And they're coming along to our next meeting. So again, we're looking at forging closer relationships with public health. But again, if you want to email that to me, please, I can certainly put that forward as a way to go. Is there a specific thing you're concerned about? Well, it's just you've got children there, the infants play area. It's just to decide if a six foot fence from all the cars that are queuing to get over the bridge. Right. That is constant. No matter what time of day you go, you have got a queue of cars there and wagons. It's always been like that. I mean, we thought when we got the bypass, it was all going to be fantastic, but it's just as bad as it ever was. But that you've got the children there. They've no other choice. That is their play area. And, you know, you just don't expect to know. So I see a monitor, something monitoring that, the amount that they're getting. Yeah. Thank you. We can look at that certainly. Yeah, bypasses are great. If people use them, put this, this issues, you've obviously got an issue here. There's molten and also a B deal, I think as well. It's been the bypasses are there, but it's trying to direct people to use them when people see it as a shorter route through towns. That's the issue. So again, we sort of bucked education as well with that. Yeah. I mean, that's right. It's just the other side of that area of the new city, other side of the bridge where you are monitoring, but it probably is worse. So, but I think if we all feed in possibilities and if we copy each other in, we can then kind of keep this fairly high on our thoughts. Yeah. More than happy to. I mean, again, you're your local. I'm going to work for the council. I'm not only present, despite what some people might like to think. But it's, yeah, it's useful to have your cooperation and input into things like this because I need your local knowledge. So please. I'm just suggestions. Yes. So please keep in touch. Okay. Okay. Okay. What Paul is saying is if we send those through those suggestions through to Paul, then he is as a for our committee can kind of keep an eye and make sure that, you know, we keep up to date with that and can take this further forward when those decisions and know where the extra monitors will go. Is that okay? We keep it then, you know, I'm not saying don't pursue it individually, but it's good for us to have it as a committee. Right. Thank you very much. Thanks very much. Okay. Thanks for your time. Yes. We will keep in touch about. Yes. Yes. Yes. But certainly, I think just just a gentle reminder about, you know, the readings and where they're at. We'll keep it higher. We want something we all worry about that you kind of floundered and think, well, how do I find out. So thanks very much. Yeah. But if you just, if you go on the North Yorkshire Council website and look up air pollution. If you go on there, there should be a tab left us through a location. So if you just type in sobi and then I think you have to actually select the sobi option in order for it to work. If you click on there, there's reports there and it's the ASR. The onion will stay at this report and you need to look out. But if you're struggling to find the link, just drop me a line and I'll send it to you. Thank you. I'm sure. Hold it that down. I'm sure it'll be in the minute. Yeah. Okay. Thank you very much. Well, good. Thank you very much. Thanks a lot. Thank you. We have item eight. And we've got John Lee online for this item. Welcome. Question. Question. Yes. Okay. So it's one of those hopefully once you've read and you've got any questions. Then we've got John Lee available to take those questions. That's on pages 90 to 106 of the agenda. Anybody got any questions? No. I know why I had a few. I'll don't let me find them. We go back to where I'm at. Sorry. I had, I think I don't let me. But no one else has got anything. My first question was really around, it's on page 91. Around the early years foundation stage profile. We seem to have a note that in this age group, the lower proportion of people's within our area achieved a good level of development, which isn't true of most of the other stages. So I was just wondering, do we know if there's any COVID effect in that? Good morning, Chair. Thank you for inviting me along. I would have to refer that back to Amanda Newbold, our assistant director who wasn't able to join us this morning as she has a scrutiny meeting. So we'll provide a written answer. Okay, then I had another question again about that set of results at 3.4. It would be useful, I think, to be able to see comparisons with other North Yorkshire, the former district areas. Because in that way, we can kind of assess the quality of provision across North Yorkshire as well as based against itself, you know, North Yorkshire as a whole and the national figures. And is it possible to get that information broken down into local authority schools and academies, just to try and monitor, if you like, where these differences are occurring, if there's any pattern to that? Yes, I'm sure that's possible. We'll undertake that analysis and provide it for you. Okay, and then on 3.5, obviously, it is all but bearing back to the COVID stuff. Is it possible to attract particular cohorts of children, those children who, you know, whose education was seriously interrupted during knockdowns and everything else? And is it possible to track those through a number of years? And then, if you like, so we can see what improvements there are now, I suspect it is, but I think, to me, that would be useful. Yes, I'll speak with colleagues and see what we can provide. Thank you. I mean, I think the other stuff around key stage 4, so it seems to be doing quite well. Above National and North Yorkshire average. It was just that, you know, that particular anomaly in the younger years, which is a bit concerning. And then on page 93, about the NEAT. I'm Councillor SRI already raised that there is new money available around provision for NEAT pupils, but none of it's coming to sell me. And it does seem to me that those figures don't show that, if you like, we've got it solved in cell B. So, I know that's not down to your decision, but I think it would be useful to understand how the criteria were assessed as to where that funding went. It might be above your pay grade, but it just would be useful to have some detail of that. Then when we get to 4.1 suspension incidents, we've got, in this table, the last column says, most common reason, it says skipped in and ripping. And I just wondered whether that was a mistake or why we hadn't got cell B figures there, just to have some idea, but that may be skipped in and ripping is just taken as a mean. I don't know, but that would be useful. And is the NEAT provision measured and assessed in the same way that schools are with office did? I think it is, but it's just beautiful to know. Okay, we'll provide some clarification on those, where it is yet. Thank you. And then in 4.3, on page 94, it talks about people support pathways around multiple and permanent exclusion. And one of the issues we have locally, and this may come under the same bit, so it's a bit of a crossover there. But the CAMs provision locally seems to be really stretched and struggling. And that certainly comes up time and time again when we look at same provision. And I just wondered whether CAMs are involved in those pathways, and is the fact that we actually have a dearth of that provision at the moment affecting those figures. Sorry, I did go through this in great detail. And then when we get to 0.5, again, this is to do with the same provision, which is high on our agenda locally. We've got the figures there about pupils awaiting an EHC plan. And I just wondered whether that's the total or whether there are some, if you like, even before that stage of being on the, we've registered it, but we haven't got round to it. The fingers seem to be quite high, but I know that's a general trend. And it's just so that we've got some idea of being able to think about changing provision as we move forward because it's not working at the moment. And in terms of those EHC plans, I'd also want to log that what parents are reporting to us. And I know this department is under review and there have been some new members of staff, but considerable delays and very, very poor communication in the department. 25 emails before getting a response has been reported to me by at least two parents. So I think that obviously does feed into these figures and it needs tying in with it. And again, on, I don't know, so page 96, the elective home education. You give a breakdown of those, it would be useful to know how many of those parents have sent to children because I know a lot of those families rather than send their children on an hour and a half's journey to and from each day do choose to educate at home. And I think it would be useful to see that figure in there so we can make a better assessment of that. And I think that might be held on. The other point really is just about on page 99, the issue about the level of funding that schools receive, we're placed 141 out of 150. And it really just is, I can probably take this up at full council, but who's pursuing that in inequality on our behalf and we should be lobbying every day about that. That's just awful, children are suffering because of that. 7.4. Schools in financial difficulty, we have eight. Last year we had nine, that's not a great deal of improvement. Are those the same schools or have we got some churn in there, I suspect it is. And then I suppose I just really like to know how that gets fed back across the authority in terms of additional. I know that it says about help and provision of head teach and governor finance briefings. But if you've got schools, if some of those are the same schools, those those nine from last year and eight from this year, that it needs something a bit more intensive than that. And, you know, maybe some really specific deadlines and intensive training to go in because the children will be struggling and the authority will be struggling as well in that. What kinds of additional support are there for those schools that are failing. And on hold on area here. 8.9 as there's a mention about the local plan. And it does talk throughout this last bit about provision of new primary schools. But what we find in more and more in Salbi is that there's no new secondary schools. And I'm constantly told the numbers are the places are there, but when you talk to the schools, they don't seem to be. So I think it's about, you know, what does it take to trigger a new secondary school. Primary seems to, you know, there's some trigger. I still don't know that it's perfectly adequate, but secondary just seems to get shuffled off the board. So that was it from me. Thank you very much, John. Sorry, there's a lot of questions there. I'm happy to put them in an email if that would be easier. I think that would be easier. Thank you, chair, because we've also not got inclusion colleagues available today. They're working with the offstead and CQC inspection. So it's just myself. So yes, if they could be put in an email, please help me helpful. Just pick up on the last point about secondary school provision in Salbi though. And say that we look at both primary and secondary provision. To monitor it closely from housing and through the local plan. We're not in the position where we're likely to require a new secondary school at present, but we'll continue to monitor that. It would require a lot of additional pupils to just divide creating a new secondary school. And if necessary, we can probably look at expanding one of the existing schools rather than creating a whole new one. Okay, thank you for that. I've got three cancers which to speak. Sorry, I thought those would be a concern to all of us, but if they're not. Councillor Pecum. Thanks, Chair. John, you very helpfully sent me some information recently about schools in my division and the surrounding area. I do have serious concerns that figures that are in our report relate to extent planning permissions and don't take account of allocations. And I realize that on both applications and on the local plan, you make representations. But I wonder if there's a need now that effectively North Yorkshire is a single council for there to be a much bigger input from education into our local plan process. In terms of actually attending development plan meetings and such like. And the reason I say that is because we are in a situation in places like Eggbrush, Urban, Selby, where if the local plan allocations go ahead, no more certainly will, let's be honest. If they go ahead, there's going to be a demand for some considerable investment in those areas. And if that investment is not planned well in advance, it won't happen in time. So that's really my question. Can we have more involvement from education and the local plan process? Thank you. Yeah, we're happy to do that. We've always worked historically, closely with the former districts and boroughs, but now we won Unitary Council. There's more opportunities. I know that work has started on the new local plan for North Yorkshire, which we've been invited to an initial workshop on and we are continuing to feed into work on the Selby local plan, which is continuing. But yeah, we're always looking for opportunities to feed in further. Thank you. I've got Council. Sure. Right then. Council, the post skip. Thanks. It's on the needs. We've got the number of needs with salary, which is 900, sorry, 911. Is it possible to have the numbers of needs across North Yorkshire broken down into constituency as well, which I think will be helpful. I'm also on 3.4. The early years, the actual attainment, if you like, has reduced from 2018 to 2023 across Selby and Ainsley and Key Stage 2 has reduced dramatically from 2018 to 2023. Key Stage 4 is all in its own. What plans have we got in place to improve those at the bottom end, actually attaining what they did several years ago. When I do an on the funding side of things, we have a school in town that is looking to make multiple figure redundancies simply because of the budget. And also going on to the school places. I've been approached by heads who were concerned that when North Yorkshire taken to account the square footage as of old available to schools, the schools are not all the subscribed, but when you remove the Victorian corridors, how did that figure, they are. And I think we need to look at it slightly more nuanced way. And also I know that from John's not anymore, but the school in his area, there was a lot of development, quite a lot of money available for education, but nobody bothered to tell the head until I got on to their governor who I knew and said, why are you asking for the 90 grand that's available? And they didn't know. So I think we need more of the areas in between the two, and I'd like to know what we're doing to get the kids' development up. And I'll declare an interest, if you like, because my daughter and two granddaughters are all primary school teachers in Selby. In terms of the attainment will provide a response to that in the written answer. In terms of the school places, if there are specific schools that you're aware of that are having these issues, please contact me. I do know that the Department of Education is reassessing the net capacity, certainly of all secondary schools, because they are aware that it's something that needs to be re-checked, but it's going to take time to do that. Yeah, if there's specific issues, then please let me know and we can look into those. Councillor Pulskitt. Thank you, Chair. The comments that I had actually were very similar to yours, so I won't repeat them all, but I'm happy to send some questions through to John. I think my main comment was that I can see a definite lag in the data that we've got that's not necessarily really reflective of what's going on on the ground, especially in terms of EHCs. There's a middle ground area that just isn't captured in this data of those families that are struggling hugely, that don't have a diagnosis and don't have an EHC, but whose children are struggling massively in education. So I don't know how we capture that and how we work with that, but there's a definite lag and I think we are starting to now see the impact of COVID, the impact of it just seems to be getting more and more difficult for education. But I'll send some questions through if that's okay, John, just for some information. Yes, please send the questions through. Thank you respond to those. Thank you. I think if we can copy each other in those of us who kind of have a big interest in this and then we can share the answers as well. Yes, yes, and again, if we do that through Paul, we can keep an eye on that as a committee. Anybody else? Okay, thank you very much, John. Thank you. You'll get some questions. Okay, so the next item item 9 is Duncan Ferguson on the 50 K seed funding. Morning, Duncan. We'll see it afternoon yet. No, it isn't. Oh, it can. Hello, Chair. Thank you for inviting me. Can I recap where we are with this with you to start? If that's okay. Yeah, on the in February was we had a workshop online workshop with a number of members from this area committee. And it was to look at what potentially we could allocate or spend or you wanted to spend 50,000 pounds on for 23 24. And now we also have a further 50,000 pounds for 24 25. So totalling, we have 100,000 pounds for this grant fund. We had our workshop was useful. It was useful for me. It was online, which was it was hard to gauge real thoughts, but doing my best. Anyway, the one the casters were there. We agreed three priority areas, really. The agreements have focused on three service areas. Tabcaster, Sherbin, and Selby. There was a keenness to leave a legacy. So there's a slight preference for capital, real build thing, real build things that was left. And out of that, there were three emerging themes, which created some discussion. So the first one was heritage and arts. Second was public transport. And third was, I think, Melanie, you brought it with social enterprise. It was a social enterprise aspects. You were keen for me to confirm that the budget was 100,000, which I did for polls predecessor. Steve, I sent the notes on two minute. He'll send those out. So after that, I think I'd offered to hold another workshop if you required one, but you're all very keen to go and discuss yourselves and develop some schemes and ideas. Some of the workshop ideas that you gave were the selection. So there's bus, real time information, digital displays, and the council pocket indicated looking at art centers, feasibility. Another one is use of existing vacant properties of social enterprises. See how we get there, what we need to do. There was also starter opportunities for encouraging local enterprise, town and visitor maps, art trails, and a specific one, which was traffic on Gauthorpe in Selby. The next step to that point was to circulate the application form. So at least you could see the things that need to be considered, then perhaps do a further workshop. My aim at the time was to have approval for the scheme, so we could start moving it through the process to get sign off by this meeting. We don't have that, but I am keen that we keen to listen to if any ideas, further ideas have come up chair. If there are, I'm happy to work with perhaps, it's up to you. A task and finish group to progress that over the next few weeks at times that suit you. But I personally, with the timescale we have now, we've probably got 11 months to spend £100,000, £100,000. I think based on knowledge you have for project management and delivery, getting work procured, I think probably we'd need to be very clear. We'd need to be awarding a contract for a work, whatever it is, but at least September, so we've got six months to finish and do whatever that is, whether it's simple physical works. And then get investigative study or purchase of equipment off the shelf equipment like real time information boards or something like that. Working back from that, it would probably be useful for me to work with a group or further over the next month and by the end of May, perhaps a clarity, what this area committee would like to take forward. And then I'm happy to work with you between that period until the end of May. As your officer to get things progressing at the pace that I think we need to do. But I need to take advice from you, Chair, and the area committee really. Okay, thank you. Thoughts? Yeah, so sure. Right. Not another study about anything at all waste of bleeding money. There's an office upstairs, full of them. Apart from that, okay, and I can spend that money within a week. So don't worry. Thanks for the warning, Ken. Thank you. All right, last week I sat in on a Zoom meeting for this very issue at Harrogate. We did, didn't we? The process, they went through a day I say was really quite interesting and slick. And one of the things that did want to emphasize that the money that goes to any projects isn't going to hit a brick wall and there be no for it's not sustainable going for the further funding. So I think that has to be major criteria that we're not throwing money at something that's not going to have any traction. I had a great emphasis on environment, I have to say, and we've had. And unfortunately, as, as Councillor Perazquez will agree, probably is that in Harrogate, there was no schemes that we're going to even suggested in the anxiety. And of course, we have a similar situation where the conurbation lights, celery, tadcaster, and, and German helmet will other proposed schemes. And once again, the agency is the, the poor relative sort of thing. So I'm thinking that maybe going forward, we would have some sort of knowledge of that if we had an area, constituents committee for our own area, then we maybe have our own £50,000 if indeed that money is going to be available after £100,000. So I think the process of the officers suggesting is the right way, but in this late stage, I would ask that we also, when we're deciding, give some emphasis to the climate change, the environment, et cetera, as these projects warrant this investment. Thank you. Okay. I mean, certainly from the discussion, there was general agreement that in order to have some effect, even those cancers from the rural areas did say it probably does need to be based in those three areas in some way. And that seemed to be an agreed decision, aside from that, where you, you know, you, you heard what we came up with. Anybody else any comments, as I think if not, then we can all together, volunteers, retask and finish group. We've still got a fairly wide base of ideas and nothing specific. I'm happy to be part of that and most of it would be online. Steve is that you saying yes. I'm based here. Yes, Councillor. Oh, okay. Yeah. I totally agree, but yes, okay, that makes it easier. Councillor Packham. Yeah, given that we've mentioned Sherbin as a potential location, I think I'd quite like to be involved with. Okay. I'm seeing you above your hand up, that kind of brings in the tad area then. Anybody else or anything that you want to feed in at this stage to that working group, like Councillor Wanda can stand to say, you know, I don't think I'd have any problem prioritising environmental stuff. Yes, yeah, we wouldn't have been repairs, I don't think, you know. The process for approving the allocation of the money is this group creates a scheme, a program of work they want to do. It has to come back here to the chair. It has to be signed off here by you by the chair and then it moves forward to an assessment evaluation by officers. And then on to sign off by my director, which is Nick Kahn for Community Development. That's the process. I think because of that process and we have to follow that, then maybe there'll be challenge on the scheme that comes out. I'm personally quite keen to get it moving with you and work with it and if I can work to the end of a May deadline with you, that would be fantastic. But obviously it depends on your own availability and the members that it's just identified, I'd like to be on the group. So I'll do my best. Okay. Councillor Lee, why didn't even know I was in the meeting, that's got a question. Yeah, thanks. Thank you, Chairman. And I thought we'd discussed previously. I mean, the last meeting, I seem to remember people floating ideas, you know, we talked about, I think, signposting like a heritage trails, stuff like that for recall. So do we not already have, haven't we narrowed down a list already of ideas from what was previously discussed? I'm just concerned that we're going on and on and on, we're having more meetings to discuss things and I just think we need to get the money spent. It's not a massive amount of money. And I sent some urgency in the officer's voice. So can we not just shortlist like three projects and then take a decision rather than having more and more meetings? Because I think we just need to get something done. Thank you, Councillor Lee. I think that's what this discussion is about. We clearly, what Duncan outlined were what you're mentioning and what a number of us mentioned that did come forward. Paul tells me that the way that Harrogate dealt with it was they had like 20 schemes possibly that they went through. And then they came back, they came up with a short list of five, which came back to or going back to the area committee for a decision to be made. And that seems to me, as I would understand it, what Duncan was suggesting and if that works, that seems to be. So, yeah. Yeah. Good. How a good meeting was very clear that officers, there is a need to make these decisions early rather than later to get works found on the tear can get quotes and do it now rather than later. So having had a meeting last week they had about 20 potential schemes and then having it down to five priorities. I don't mean to go ahead, but the officers have got to report back to their next meeting, hopefully for an agreement to be made. So again, I think timescales are very important and it's this task and finish group and it takes a similar sort of role that identified scheme, but particularly the proposed travel scheme spring back to this main area committee and for the area committee in June to make that decision. Then that's a June, that would be. So, okay, that's what we're proposing. Yes. Does that sound OK for what you're looking for? Yeah, can I just confirm that a task and finish groups in agreed here just now. And the members are yourself. Steve, you're right. Councillor Packham and Kirsty, is that it? And Council are proud. Yes, in myself, but I would like to think that John McCartney knows a lot to say about this sort of thing and he's gone, but I'd like to think that he's. That's very noble of you. I'd like to think he'd have the opportunity to go to join this. I'm pretty sure he would. OK, I think that that that would that would probably be enough, but OK. Chair, if that can be confirmed, if that group can be confirmed, that would be in an email. If you can send that to me, Paul. So I knew who it is. And I'll start moving forward with meetings that are suitable to yourself. And I think there's an indication to have them in this building as well. So, OK. Yeah, that sounds good. I can't believe he wants to come back, come told. Yeah, I was just wondering, I mean, I don't want to politicise this, but do you think we could have a bit of political balance on this task and finish group? That's through the chair, please. Through the chair. No, if you volunteered from them, sorry, you don't play and look you can't get it. I asked for names and those were the people who indicated and I just had from. Councillor broken that probably Councillor McCartney. Who's an independent, obviously, would would probably be a good member of that group. That would bring us to six, which sounds about right. Is that OK, everybody? Right, we'll confirm all of that. OK, thanks, Andrew. And that will come back on the 11th of June, but I think we'll probably maybe need a couple of meetings to trash that out. But if your time is available to us, Dan, can that choose? I'll work to the 11th of June and we need an agreement so that at the 11th of June, Eric Committee, you can agree and they will move into the project phase and start progressing it. We need a meeting fairly quickly to get that long list down to a short list. Mate, thanks very much, everybody. Item 10 update on public transport services. We've had written reports and updates around those. Does anybody have any further questions on those that we want to feedback on the bus and rail? There were there were a couple on on rail, I think, and then one on the on the bus service, a short one on the bus services, just being in this up to date. I'm just checking anything from you, Councillor Possett, because I know the bus is something you've been no OK. The only thing that I was interested in on the one from Graham North was really we've got details of the stations. And the numbers of people. And some of the ones like South Milford show like a disastrous drop in people using it. And what would be useful, I think, to know is are we aware of any if you like structural things that may have caused that are they less trained stopping there? Or, you know, is this a massive fallout? I think Sherbin had, yes, Sherbin's gone up. So, you know, I just think it would be interesting rather than just have the raw data to have some kind of idea of what that means. Because, and also it says that the stations who the stations are operated by, but obviously other services do stop there. I mean, not everything that comes through Salby is a TPA. And I think that would possibly be a bit more breakdown around that just to have some idea. But that was all it occurred to me because there are some disastrous stops. I mean, I don't represent South Milford, but it's almost a 50% drop. It would make them make sense to me that that's all I'd like. And we'll say that in comments back to Graham North for you. Okay. And Kaz Posky may want to come in again. Kirsty. Sorry, Chair, I wasn't quick enough then. I was trying to close the report down and answer it at the time. And I did have a meeting with Transdev on Monday, actually. We were discussing the bus station and there was a conversation about Transdev are investing some money into a summertime program, which sees coastal buses go from Leeds to Scarborough. But avoiding tadcaster, which hopefully then means that those buses that are used for work for commuters for all those kinds of things are freed up. They're very aware of the £2 as impacted massively and means lots of very busy buses and people not getting on them. So they are looking at a program to invest more buses over those really busy summer periods. So that's a real positive for us. Oh, good, good. Okay, no further questions on any of those. Thank you. Item 11 is the center school, which is obviously a permanent item. We've had, again, a short report, just an update. I think. I'll reiterate what Councillor proud said when about the latest position we're planning. How long is it going to take him to decide what colour it's got to be? You know, we just can't afford any more delays with what we want. And I don't see that should hold up, turning a sod in the ground and getting it going. So I think we're all a bit concerned. We seem to be flagging up something else. But we are further forward than we've been, which is great, but we're still five years behind where we should be. Has anyone got any other questions to feedback? No. Okay, thank you very much then. Thanks for that update. Item 12 is the item which has been bubbling around our agenda for almost the year now. This is Matt Robinson in terms of resilience and emergencies. Hello, Matt. And again, as I've said to other people, if you can assume people have read it. Obviously, pull out the salient points and then deal with any questions. Is that okay? Councillor Gogan. Sorry, Chair. Can I excuse myself? I've got a licensing committee meeting at the other end of the county. I've read the report and I was very impressed with it. Thank you, Matt. Okay, Councillor, thanks very much, Chair. And you're absolutely right. This is the third attempt we've had. Our technology and unfortunately, the opportunities more laid out that I can get here. So, Matt Robinson, I had up resilience and emergencies. There's kind of two parts to my presentation. So, I will bypass the first one, which is around about the statutory duties and such. I really do want to focus on the community side of the work we're doing. So, just a bit of an overview, I had up resilience and emergencies. So, I sit in the local engagement section of the Council. So, that's Rachel Joyce going up to Richard Flinton. Alongside myself and said resilience and emergencies, we've got head of locality, Marianne Jackson. So, you can start seeing community partnerships, resilience coming together. Adette Robson, community safety. So, you can start seeing community partnerships, resilience coming together. And Vanessa Glover from COMS. So, those restructures are happening within local engagements and within the community safety. But the communications and myself and resilience and emergencies are through. So, we're in a good position now to really kickstart what those community resilience mean. So, my team, we're here for the critical activities of the Council, making sure that they can be delivered when emergencies major incidents happen. So, when we have the flooding, when we have the severe weather, when we have the utility issues, how do we maintain our social care? How do we maintain our housing, our schools, our roads, when those incidents are going on? So, that's a big part of what the team is there for. The other part is how do we support the emergency services? Because when the major incidents happen, they're often bigger than one organization. So, how can we collectively come together to help each other with our critical activities? And the third part, which is obviously the most important part, is when it's the individuals, the families, the businesses that have been affected by the incident. How do we collectively come together as agencies? We're working alongside our political leaders and working alongside those within the communities that support them in their response, but also in their recovery. So, if it's okay, Chair, I'll jump over a number of the slides and I'll pick up where I think my team and the elected members come together. And for people, that is starting on this slide, which I'm not too sure which one it is. Sorry, no, it's not. It's this slide here. So, I think there's sort of three areas that I'd like to work alongside, elected members. It's that before the incident happens, you are the eyes and ears on the ground, you have those networks within those communities, within the businesses, and how can we help support them, anticipate the incidents before they happen, do their own assessment of how much they're at risk, what can they do to prevent the incident from occurring, what can they do as far as to prepare. So, when the response and the recovery happens, we've made them as resilient as we can do. So, I think there's a role beforehand. I also think there's a role during, because you are the eyes and ears, you are that community link. I just want to update on exactly how that liaison works between yourselves as members and us as officers during incidents, and then finally the recovery, because quite often the incidents will go on for hours, days. I think we are very much aware of in the Selby area that recovery, the recovery can go on for days and weeks and months, if not years. So, the role that elected members have on that. I think there's a real value in these area constituency committees, and one of my asks, which we can confirm at the end, is whether you're willing for me or one of my officers to come annually or at least provide a report on what's been occurring within the area, area constituency committee, as far as incidents, also the developments we've had within community resilience, but if there's some good practice, we may want to try and share between ourselves. I do have to go to a review and scrutiny, as some of you may have seen me there before, and that's an annual report I give, just to make sure you're all happy, that I am discharged in the Civil Continencies Act duties from the organisation in an effective way. The leader of the Council, Council layers, is the portfolio holder for emergency planning, so I have regular catch-ups with the leader. But one of the things also is how we're trying to encourage yourselves elected members to make sure you can access some of the warning systems that we've got, so you know when the heavy rains come in, you know when we've got snow, we've got ice, we've got thunder, we've got wind events, so you're in the best position to try and support your communities. I will sort of pass over this slide, but that's just a few points on how I think, some of the support for yourselves, in what I call integrated emergency management, and again that's what we do before, during and after, but it's those strong links you have within your networks. During the incident, so we're very much aware that it could be the emergency services, let's unnotify the local authority that an incident has occurred, and we are very quickly wanting to get that information out. In our command structures, we have something called a Silver Commander. The Silver Commander is a senior level within the organisation who takes command of the incident, and there's always one of them on call 24-7-365. That Silver Commander is your link into the Council when emergencies and major incidents happen. The way you access that is through my resilience to the emergency duty officers. One of the things I will share outside of this public meeting is the contact details, so how you can get access into the Silver Commander. But the flip side is, you may be aware of something that we're not. It may be something happening on the ground that currently the emergency services aren't aware of, so it's that same mechanism of how can you notify into the Council through the Silver Commander. The Silver Commander then works alongside emergency services to make sure that we have the appropriate comms messages. That joint warning-informing approach, because the Environment Agency, the Met Office, the police, the fire, the utility companies have all got those pieces of the jigsaw. So the media has to be very much coordinated through the Council and the Silver Commander, but there's absolutely a role that we see the elected members have in supporting with us and the media. There is that response into recovery, so when it has been deemed that there's no longer danger to life or the opportunity that is going to be harm, we move into that recovery phase. And the recovery phase, which can try and return the community to normal, the way I always see it is if you break your arm, it never goes back to being fully recovered. So how do we make a community bounce back? And the best way to do that is for a community-led recovery. For those people who live and breathe in that town, to be the ones that are leading it, supported by the agencies, and I very much see a role for elected members in that. And then the final part is, at the end of any incident, they are major incidents for a reason. They often stretch the capabilities of organisations, so there's always opportunity to identify lessons. And we'd like to involve elected members in that, and I know we've done that in the past within the 11 name storms that we had throughout this year, an opportunity for councillors to feedback. So with my team, I have six officers. I have a few managers, but I have six officers. So the officer that is linking with yourself is a lady called Wendy Muldoon. And then my second ask out of this chair is that you allow Wendy to make contact with you. I know she's been raising with some of you already because this is six months after I was originally meant to come. But if you've not had contact with Wendy, you allow Wendy to make contact for you to start having some of these actual granular conversations about what it means for you and your patch. What we've also started to produce now is what we call our Community Resilience Profiles. Again, I've blacked these out on here because there's another contact details, but these will be shared with you when you have the opportunity to answer them with Wendy. There's never been done before. This year, the focus was very much on flooding. And if it's something that works for you, we can look to develop and bring that into some of the other products that the council provides. But again, it's an opportunity for you and my officer to sit down. Just some of the information it gives you. And again, this is why we're focusing on flooding is we've broken each of your sections up and we've tried to identify, well, as far as environment agency is concerned, how many warnings do they have within your patch? How many properties do they see at risk, worst case when that flooding occurs? But then what percentage of people have signed up for that? You can see, obviously, some of those numbers are relatively high, but there is always opportunity to try and move them on. And then that final section is how many of the communities have actually started to develop their own community plans. Now, they could be parish town councils. They could be businesses like we've got in Tadcaster, but those community partnerships, which are being formed, you know, they're another way of trying to get the individuals and families to drive their own resilience. So, Chair, if it's OK, I will pause and stop there. If there are any questions, more than happy to take them. I'll stop sharing my screen. And then I'll turn my mic off. Thank you very much, Matt. Can't see the docket. Thank you, Chair. On your local community, resilience groups, we used to have one at Valve, where we had flood waters and everything. Now, it's as old ones are gradually dropping off the council. We've got a lot of new people in now. Our plan needs really starting from scratch again, and others, it's not even mentioned in there. You've got one down the wriggle. You've not got one down with Valve. But are you still doing where you would come and do, like, a little public meeting to explain what would be required and what have you, so we can get more people involved again. Yeah, happy I answered that one. So, what we did at the beginning is just a bit of a sense check. We have a number of plans that will be on our system that we didn't have the opportunity to say, Well, is that local leader still in that community? Are they the ones that are still driving it? And if it's dropped off, that's because we weren't able to make contact with the previous developers of it. Wendy Mulding will be your officer, so Wendy will be the one that will work alongside. And it doesn't have to be an all-encompassing plan. People just like a double-sided bit of a for on how to open up your local village hall and make sure people know there's a safe and warm place to go to. If we can start with that, you can then start looking at other capabilities that the community has. So, it doesn't need to be a daunting task community emergency plan, so it can be quite simple in the outset. Okay, thank you. And then I had Councillor Wharton and Councillor Proud. Sure. Thank you, Chair. I think I said last meeting. I'm really really behind all of this. Before I got elected, I was one of the half a dozen members of the Talkwith Group. They're planned to be placed selected as people that have special skills in the case of a crisis. Since I've been elected, obviously I have a different role as well as those special skills. And I'm conscious that I kept having to put pressure on the lead person to meet. Now, we met as a group which I couldn't attend because of the commitments for this Council with Wendy about six weeks ago. And that was pressure put on to update. And I'm very aware that the plans, and even if you don't have a plan, if you just have a parish council that's aware of these issues and has got some way of contacting the relevant authorities, needs updating. And I'm also conscious that a former, I think it's a former officer from Harrogate Council of Ian. Yeah, is he former? Okay. His plan was to bring to the Talkwith, for example, a model of going through role play to what if scenario. I think, even though Talkwith, I'm using it as an example because I've got insight, but it goes across the board. Even though they've got a plan, even though they've gone and bought half a dozen torches, half a dozen walkie talkies, half a battle box in the village hall, et cetera, they're not ready. Because it's not up to date, that plan needs reviewing on a fairly regular basis. And whilst there might be a better position, they're not ready for response and recovery. And I think we need to put more emphasis in training, in developing the plans, getting more, like Councillor Dukett said, getting more people involved, now things have changed a bit. And I think it should become almost, in my case, it should become that we don't let groups set up independent of, for example, a parish council, because it can be constantly on a parish council's agenda to review this, whereas the group, it takes a phone call to the person who's the lead and you have to say, Can you extract the digit and let's have it updated? And it's not happening. So I think we need some local authority at the grassroots level to be involved with this more than just a group that's arm's length to the parish council. I've said a lot then, sorry, but it's... There's probably four things I'm going to come back on, if that's okay. So keeping these plans up to date, absolutely, is the ever-ending task, particularly because these are the more impactive, less likely incidents, and when the sun is shining, there's always other things to be getting on with. So I'm going to note that and I'm going to come back to what we're going to do about it. Ian Spears was the emergency planning manager across at Harrogate. He's taken the opportunity to leave the organisation and you'll find him on the dales with his mountain rescue when we meet up quite regularly. So let's go. The reason why I mentioned the fact that we're in the local engagement section is that the day-to-day resilience that we're trying to build in communities cost of living in winter pressures, the groups that come forward are often the same ones that may want to support when the acute incidents happen. So I very much see the role between myself and Marianne Jackson is key. Underneath Marianne Jackson, she has a parish and town council manager, a gentleman called Mark Codman, and we've got a piece of work going around for what does community resilience mean for us. How do we utilise day-to-day volunteers, day-to-day organisations that are working within communities to make sure if the incident happens, it could be the same people stepping up. So I do think that how we link those less likely incidents in with what's happening within communities is vital. When it comes to training and exercise, so one of the things I've asked my manager who's leading with the community resilience to do is to put on three events. It's going to be an east, a west, and a central event where we can bring existing communities together. And also those fledgling ones that are starting to think about how they want to develop the resilience to do it are almost as a workshop idea. Bringing them into services along, let's start having a conversation collectively about what we can offer capabilities and how we can work together, but also the chance for people to see maybe what good looks like and whether or not they want to go to that. It's likely to be early next year. I've got to be honest with everything else that's going on, but the promise is there will be a central community event for any of the groups that have started to develop their plans in order to do some of the training and exercise you're talking about. I hope that could be your questions. Yeah, just to a point. But I'm going back to what I know in terms of a plan and the membership of that group for the seven, and of those seven, it's four military. I'm going to say, when in a flood with British Chinookin, we need to have people from the farming background, from just business and local knowledge. And I think that's where I'm coming from really, that we need to engage with the local authorities, the parish councils and the town councils. Okay, that's it. Okay. Yeah, certainly 2002, a physician. Turned up at do it all car park, cut down the lamppos, and that was it. But I'm assuming you're dealing with them with smaller ones than that, but you know that we still get your Chinook. It comes at quite a price. Are they absolutely available? Yeah, it was an interesting time, certainly. Steve, you did have your hand up right at the beginning, Jack. That's why I had you down, but that's fine. Yeah, it's sort of getting the public involved is fine, that stopping the public involved is almost as crucial. We did have in 2002, with the assistance of Radio York, a very well-meaning woman who encouraged everybody to go to her community centre, because they would be safe. And the counter going, no, you're down to flood. And they had to go on and counter what she was doing. And one of the steps away in Wickel, the last time we had the sort of Selby Area Committee years ago, Wickel had got a dedicated band of followers who wanted a Land Rover, a motorboat and everything going, because they could solve all problems. But what they didn't want to do was talk to you on the police. They could manage quite well by themselves. I think sometimes individuals need to be taken out, but the sort of local media, I know it's difficult now because of social media stuff, people, they can override the situation. It becomes a terrible thing when nothing has actually happened. One of my neighbors went and got himself some sandbags and petrified everybody in the street, because they all thought we're going to flood. And it wasn't, it's just because he was a nutcase. So I think there is a need. I'd like the idea of sort of Arnold's bit about how you do and how you plan for everything. And in 22 in Melbourne, we had quite a few chinooks and it was when Gold Command came, that basically everybody would still go away. We will sort it. And I think that's almost what we need, is there's a point where you have to stand back and also reviewing some of the local plans, because at that time, Selby High School was a designated area. I was called in as chair of the government, because I was in the box, except I had not been chair of the government for five years. I went and took us and just lived around the corner. But they hadn't updated. The box, the names, the numbers were all out of date. And I think it's just making sure things there that when you pick up the phone, you're going to get the right person at the right time. And also some authority that you can say, Well, thank you very much, but your time has gone. You need to go home and watch Coronation Street or wherever. Yeah. If you're all watching Coronation Street at the same time, the cattle's all go on and then the power goes out. But it noted a lot of that. I think just to give the reassurance, and it would have been earlier if I'd gone through it, is absolutely the multi-agencies have got their command structures about how they step up to go from your bronze silver gold, and we've actually got one of our gold commander's sign the room at the moment from the council. So those structures are very much there, and they get utilized very quickly when the incidents have been saved in life, reducing harm. You know, that is the premise. But we are a very big county, and sometimes the incident will isolate. So we do need to have a level of whole society resilience out there. Okay. And I mean, I've just got a couple of questions. When I looked at this, I'm looking at cell B's division, cell B West division and seeing no plan. And just now I'm hearing from you that actually probably those of us who are on the town council need to be doing something like Steph suggested happened in Balbee and call some meetings. It would need to be two. I mean, they both cover the town, but they're huge areas. So I think that's something we could do some work around. And hopefully then avoid some of the things that went wrong. But I'm just a bit confused, really. What happens where we have, if you like, a distinct boundary, but a clear bleed in terms of properties? You know, we had flooding, I'd consider it in the town recently, but strictly speaking, it's in the Brighton parish. But, you know, the road carries on. The houses carry on. You've got these silly false boundaries sometimes. So what attempts then, you know, how can we make sure we kind of work together around those? Or would you be able to obscure that line a bit and do it just because it's particular, I think, to the town? Yeah, water doesn't follow boundaries. Obviously, there's several catchments on the swell, the need. You know, they're all going to end up coming this way. So the command structure allows us to be locality based because we could have the areas of the upper catchments of your Richmond's and your Cravens going into recovery before the waters even arrived in Selby. So we can flex that. So there would be local multi-agency coordination put in place in order to support this locality and then on the ground. So we are able to do it, you know, but those large 2015 flood events, the 2012s, they stretch. Major instance, absolutely stretch. You know, we know where we are with capabilities in public sector. So big incidents are very difficult. And that's why working alongside yourselves in the community so we can understand the risks, understand the vulnerabilities that could be in the community at that point and get that information up so that silver up to gold can start saying, actually, our priority needs to be. And you gave the scenario of getting a Chinook across in order to support. So the command structure is complex and make sure that we are locality based. OK, but in terms of, you know, drawing up those emergency plans, I'm kind of thinking, you know, the one for a village is going to be very different to the one for a Selby town. Is there a particular formula for pulling one together for a larger connovation or a different way of doing that? Yeah. I think we might need some help with that. That's right. And the help will be there. And it may be a size you want to do a Selby and Barbie altogether in one and work collectively. You may say, actually, because of the unique nature, you want to do a site, et cetera. These aren't statutory duties. These are the sort of the good neighborhoods coming together in that outset. So we can make it work for you. Yeah. OK. But in terms of the expectation of individuals as well, to me, it would be slightly different in the town to a village. So, yeah, OK. Sorry. Can I answer the cat's neck? Sorry, John. I went off on one there, sorry. Sorry. Not so much a question, comments. My area of expertise is flooding as I live at Kwood. Although Kwood doesn't flood, we are well defended. Over the last few months, I've actually been feeding a lot of information back to our local officers because I've got more information than they have. We've got a video of how our river defenses work and I've written a paper with regard to the timeline on how the flooding starts and how it finishes so that we can get officers in to sweep roads, to get them reopened as soon as possible. The one thing I think that we failed on, we, North Yorkshire, was that we've got five roads coming into Kwood. But when we get flooding, we lose two of those. The information on the North Yorkshire website with regard to closed roads was not very up to date and especially at weekends. And if we are going to do this seriously, to me, it's got to be updated 24/7. The other thing I am worried about and it was touched on is that over the last 20 years, one of the best helpers has been Radio York. I can remember, was it 2000, when we were having fun and games in Barbie with a new housing development. We seem to not have Radio York anymore. It seems to be Radio Yorkshire and I am worried that they are not going to be able to give us the up-to-date information that deals with our area. And that may be something that you could look at. Thanks, Councillor CASSIDY. There are three things. So, absolutely, I've got a copy of our time sheets. I think we had an email exchange around them and I know Wendy Linked team with the comms team about how we could utilise that information. One of the things we are looking at at the Council this year is the update of our flood plans now that we are a unitary. How does that work? And that is going to be locality-based. Community summary sheets, what does it mean in K-wood? What levels actually worry about us? What infrastructure do we lose at what point? And what does the response look like? So, they are being developed this year. The roundabout the comms, I think there was notice at the very outset of our 11 named storms about the 24/7 provision of comms. And actually we changed some of our internal processes to help provide better comms and incidents, so hopefully you will see some of that play through. And then the radio york, absolutely, some of that has gone regional, but they have still got the connecting in a crisis responsibility. And if there is those incidents going on, they can still localise it. And I've been on such radio events in the past in order to talk. So, we can focus in particular with the BBC because they have that duty of connecting in a chronic sense. Yes, John. Yeah, funnily enough, when we got the A-wood Road or the K-wood Bridge re-opened, I think I was the one that got the information to radio york first, partly because I do notice somebody in the village works for them. And we got it within an hour that they kept on saying the road was re-opened. So, I was really pleased that we could actually do that. Okay. Sorry. Thank you. Sorry. It's not often that I can sit as a board member for Tadcast and say we are ahead of the curve with this, but it's only because we've had to be ahead of the curve. I think we are, we obviously have an emergency planning committee. We meet quite regularly and our emergency plan is really good. We work so cohesively with so many agencies and that is the key. So, we've got the EA, a part of our group. We work really closely with North Yorkshire as well, especially most recently with bridge closures and things. So, I think it is absolutely cohesive. It's got to be community groups and the PowerShell Town Councils. They have to work together and that's how ours works. So, the Flood Action Group for Tadcaster obviously lead on a lot of things, but we will all work together as part of the Town Council. And just recently, because we've had bridge closures, which is not a huge emergency. It's not like the bridge collapsing, but North Yorkshire have worked really closely with us on a comms plan, because all the issues that others, members have raised about getting the comms out. That's the community is a real problem, but they've worked really closely with us on that. And so that's been really welcome. I would love to have Wendy at one of our planning committee meetings. We meet really regularly. So, I'll reach out to her and see if she wants to come along. But when you are faced with those situations such as a bridge collapse or extensive flooding, that's when you rely so much on that local knowledge and like all my other colleagues have said, we are the ones that are on the ground. We are the ones that are going to be able to get that right up-to-date information out to everyone. So, handing over to people can be challenging. But happy to work with others and share what we do here. Like I said, only because we've been forced to do, you know, have a really tight plan. But yeah, I'm really happy with the comms with North Yorkshire. They've worked really closely with us recently, especially Karl Battersby and his team. Thanks, Kirsty. Okay, just been that you'd. Yeah. Councillor Packham. Yeah, mine was more of a comment as well, really, and really just to support some of the things Kirsty said in particular. I've been involving our town council in moving this forward and they've been working quite hard to get an emergency plan together. I think the town council is the right people to do it. I hear what you say about the difficulty of different-size settlements, but the template that North Yorkshire have produced is very useful and helpful and very adaptable. And also we've had good experience. We've had support from Wednesday and we hope that moving forward will get our emergency plan in place fairly soon. So I think it is something that if you get a group of people together, particularly a town or parish council, it's not a difficult process to come up and fill in the boxes. I agree as well with what others have said that you really do need to make sure it's updated properly because otherwise you get Steve going to the high school. Okay. Any other comments or thoughts or suggestions? Okay. Is there a special way of doing it because I'm almost told that the river air moves exceeding slow and the water almost comes along in blocks and does that require a special sort of process? Yes, the river air's tidal as well. So that impacts I think back to 2021, you know, where we're having around Chapel Housing such the issues. That was because of the tide coming in. And obviously it's a unique in a way that it starts up in North Yorkshire, goes through West Yorkshire, comes into North Yorkshire, goes out to Humber. So the look about the developer of the river air plan is something we're looking at, but it does get a little bit tidal locks with the water. Okay. Thank you. Right. Thanks everybody. Thank you very much, Matt. And I think, you know, we're more than happy to get regular reports. That would be great. Sorry, you're just. No. Okay. Sorry. Yes. Yeah. No, that's fine. Thank you very much. So we now move on to the work program. Which you've had before you as part of the agenda. It's considerable as it always is. I suppose really we've got now looking at the list. We've got certain things slotted into the meetings as we move forward. Is there anything there that people feel is less urgent and anything on the possible future areas list that you feel we should be bringing forward? I think that's probably where we can start. Councillor Warner can. Thank you. Well, firstly, just a. No observation about the. Texting the report on page one, two, four. We won't be expecting, I guess, annual reports from the police and crime commissioner. But maybe we should slot in maybe a report from the mayor's office that this will keep in continuity on the crime commissioner's former role. But the other thing is we have got about the water issue on our work program. And what I'd like to do, if possible, is to not have an extra item about water quality, but as get an update as to the motion that went through Council as well. Because at scrutiny, we've got that coming next month. I think I'm not. At the moment, I'm not convinced it's going to. Excuse the pundits blowing through Council as well as it should be. And it might even be getting a bit diluted as well. So I just think that. If we can keep a tabs on it from our perspective, at least we're ensuring that what's happening in the entity constituency, the cell being agency, so I put agency first for the first time. If the cell being agency constituency, then at least we're doing our bit for the water quality in this area. So I'd like to tie it into that water quality section within the work program. Okay. She said it was a big piece of work. And I don't think any of us are happy that it's moving as well as we hope. And I know when we put air quality and water quality on. And I remember Karl pulled us up and said, well, what does that mean? They're huge subjects. And I think we, you know, we did narrow those down. So I think we do need to keep her. And they're both incredibly important for us. And quite how we do that will probably have a look at and come back. So there's anything else in terms of the work program. People want to shift, move, re-prioritize, de-prioritize. Thank you. Thank you. Just to mention, you now need to add on the one about. And that was the ACC seats on the interview and onto the list. Yes. Will I tie it? Yes. We'll add that in, obviously. And the other thing that I wrote down was obviously last year, we had a couple of extra meetings online about particular subjects. So if you could give some thought to the issues, I mean, that was largely around the enforcement and traffic management issue, which was a problem locally. I think it'd be certainly good to get some figures back on how enforcement's going. Now we've got new traffic wardens and things, not necessarily, so I don't think these things necessarily need to be on our agenda. But I think there needs to be information that comes back to us and that we have access to in the same way as I think we need to know if there are care homes failing in our area or schools failing in our area. I don't want to report an agenda item, but it's information which is critical for our planning. So we'll pull that together. And on that note, sorry, Council, is you all right? Just thanking Stephen for his contribution to this committee. He's been a very good supporter and advice. I'm sure Paul will be sent off, Paul, from old. And I just think we should have a week round in my, Stephen, the packet of paracetamol, because when he gets to Richmond, he's going to need them. No, I certainly would endorse that. Stephen, a great help, particularly to me in this was a new committee and a new chair involved for me. So I think we will miss him. He's always on holiday though. Is that permanent time? It's like, yeah, it's your second time. The harvest probably. Just coming, just, I mean, is the office manager for care, either the MP has actually wouldn't normally talk, but do you want to have a work with me afterwards? Or does it want to be shared with the whole thing? How do members feel about that? Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Yes, just use a mic. I think things recorded. So here is meeting with the Minister of State for Rail next month. So if any members or if any members constituents have issues that they think might be a benefit to raise, please do get in touch with the office. Also, we had an update on the flooding issue, which was raised. It's able to written question to Defra. At the NFU event in January by the Prime Minister, Grunch should be allocated in June. So that's just an update for you all. Thank you. Thank you. Apologies. It's just, honestly, I don't mind over it. But it is protocols and I was get told off because I don't follow them. But yeah, I think that's the kind of thing that, as I said, you know, if he can put in a written report anyway, whether he's here or not, that goes out. And that's the kind of information, you know, that would be incredibly useful in that. Okay. If you want to feed it for himself in future, I'll cascade it to members. Yes. Okay. Thank you very much, everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 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