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Good morning. Thank you for attending this planned committee meeting on the 19th of June. This meeting being held webcast with the exception of any business that the council results to exclude the press and public because the likely disclosure of exempt information as defined by the Local Government Act 1972. This meeting is being held in a hybrid meeting with members attending in person in the council chamber, County Hall Liffin, or remotely by video conference. Those attending remotely are kindly asked to mute their microphones unless they are called upon to speak. Members are also asked of their video switch on throughout the meeting unless I request that they turn the videos off to improve the quality of the audio. You will be expected to restart the video once you finish speaking. Please refrain from using the chat facility as messages sent to all are visible on the webcast. Those attending the chamber are asked to make sure they speak directly into the microphone to improve the quality of sound for those attending remotely and to help the transparency of today's meeting. Please conduct all business through myself as chair, Joachim Baum. I am now going to pass over to legal officer to go through the roll call. We present in the chamber this morning, we have Councillor Edwards, Councillor Hilditch Roberts, Councillor James, Councillor Jones, Councillor Mendez, Councillor Parry, Councillor Roberts, Councillor Tomlin and Councillor Young. And on zoom we have Councillors Chard, Councillor Elson, Councillor Chris Evans, Councillor Harland, Councillor Matthews and Councillor Sanderland. Okay, Joachim Baum, thank you. And can I take any apologies for today's meeting, please? Chair, we have apologies from Councillor Elved Williams. Thank you. Okay, I will now move on to declare of any interest for today's meeting and again I'll hand over to our legal officer. Members will be aware of the requirement under the Council's Code of Conduct to declare any personal or prejudicial interests in respect of any business to be considered at today's meeting. Such interests should be declared now or as soon as the Councillor affected becomes aware that they have a personal or prejudicial interest in today's business. All members declaring an interest are required to state clearly what the interest is and to advise whether it is a personal interest or a personal and prejudicial interest as defined in the Code of Conduct. Any member declaring a prejudicial interest is required to leave the meeting for the duration of the business and can take no part in the proceedings. Members with a personal interest only may take part in the debate and any vote. If a personal or personal prejudicial interest is declared today that has not previously been disclosed and recorded, the Councillor concerned will be required to complete and sign a declaration of interest form which is either available from the committee support staff in attendance here today or online. Dioc. Okay, Dioc. Do we have anyone to declare any interest for today's meeting? Dioc. Thank you. Yeah, Chairs, I'd like to declare a personal and prejudicial interest on item application number eight. I work directly with Biogen. Okay, Dioc. Thank you. Okay. Councillor James. I'd like to declare a personal interest, I think, on agenda item seven which is land adjacent to the churchyard entrance fronting Church Street in Risland. The agent who has done this particular piece of work just happened to walk past when we were having our site visit on Friday and he had a brief chat with me and then he declared that he had done the work. I didn't realise until that time so I think it would be in the best interest if I declared a personal interest but I'll take my lead from our legal support to see whether you're happy with that or should it be a prejudicial as well. Ultimately, the decision is with the member to determine what their interest is. From what you told me, it would appear to me to be a personal interest at most. Thank you. Okay. Thanks for that. Anyone else? Anyone online? No. Okay, I'm going to now move to item three, urgent matters, agreed with the Chair. I have none. I'll move on to the minutes. I'll go through for accuracy first pages nine to 16 and then I'll confirm them with yourselves or any points and then I'll go on to matters arising. So the minutes are page 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 and 16. Any matters which need looking at please for accuracy? Yes, Chair, I did send in my apologies. Okay, jock them out. You did and that's been noted. Okay. Anyone else? So that's been noted jock them out. Thanks for that. So can I have someone to confirm they're happy with those minutes? Councillor James and Councillor Tomlin. Okay. And any matters arising from those minutes please? Okay, we all seem happy. Okay, I will move on to item five, application for permission for development, items five to eight. I will start with item number six, page 51, code 15, 2, 0, 2, 1, 0, 3, 1, 8, P.R. The location is Land Arugoid, Clan Armin Unjal, mould, the proposal of details of appearance, landscaping layout and scale of 12 dwellings submitted in accordance with condition one of outline permission code number 15, 20, 13, 1, 0, 8, and in brackets, reserve matters application. I believe we have a public speaker, Mr Richard Jones, the agent, if you'd like to come up, please jock them out. Thank you. Okay. Can any members attending online make sure the cameras are on please? Jock them out. Thank you. Jock them out. Thank you. You get three minutes. We start counting when you start speaking. Jock them out. Thank you. Good morning. The reserve matters application before you has a recommendation for approval by your planning department. The proposed sustainable housing scheme consists of six three bedroom, four four bedroom and two five bedroom family homes. The site is located inside the Clan Armin Unjal settlement boundary, is allocated in your adopted local development plan reference BSC one and has extant outline permission with access for development of 0.6 hectares of land for residential purposes. The application is supported by all statutory consultees, including direct consultation with National Resources Wales and the AONB joint committee on sensitive design matters such as appearance of the proposed access and selection of materials, new tree planting to the proposed entrance and throughout the scheme, the scale of the properties and materials used to assist in blending into its location, planting of new hedgerows at site boundaries and plot boundaries and all external lighting is to conform with the dark skies initiative. We've also amended the scheme by consultation responses from neighbouring properties as requested by the planning officer. These changes include revised boundary fencing treatments and head heights, new planting of specific trees and edges and also the ridge heights of the proposed properties have been lowered. Our scheme is policy compliant and supplies a much needed affordable dwelling as well as a commuted sum. We are pleased to confirm after 18 months of proactive liaison and sampling with National Resources Wales and Duke Cymru Welsh Water have concluded with a valid and extant ospates permit, which has been issued. We propose to construct the scheme shortly after determination to assist with delivery of much needed general needs housing. Our application has passed your ecology PPW 12 test via consultation with your ecology officer. We look forward to you supporting your planning officers recommendation for approval of this reserved matters application. Thank you for your time. Okay, just give the audience a chance to sit down. There was some late reps, if you can make sure you've read them. The local member for this application is Councillor Mendes. I will bring in officers just to bring in a summary because it's a static application, just to clarify. So if officers can do that, and then I'll bring in the local member and then members. Thank you. Yeah, I just want to set the scene really for this application. I want to direct members attention to the fact that it is a reserved matters application. And that basically means that we're only considering the details as it says in the proposal description. We're only considering details of the appearance, landscaping layout and scale of the 12 dwellings. The principle of development has already been established through the outline planning permission. So we can't go down that debate, it's established that 12 dwellings can go on this site, subject to an assessment of its impacts relating to those for reserve matters. So I want to make sure that our debate focuses on that we don't stray off into matters of access and principle as they've already been established. As well, just because it's such a long running history on this site, there is a section 106 required, but that's being controlled through the outline planning permission and conditions on that. So again, we don't need to debate the terms of that on this application. We are literally focusing on the appearance, landscaping layout and scale. The only area that's slightly different to normal reserve matters is the fact that we're in the phosphate sensitive zone here. And that this application has been held up for a number of years now, owing to the fact that there was a lack of capacity at the sewage work treatment plant, which is going to serve the site. Now, those discussions have been ongoing with NRW and Welsh Water. And at this point, NRW have issued a permit to Welsh Water to say you've got capacity for 10 more houses in that system. Your permit also says you have to make the improvements to that site within the next couple of years. As you'll see from our condition, I think it's condition number two, we're basically saying you can build and live in 10 houses on this site, but the last two cannot be occupied until Welsh Water have done their works. That's all been agreed with the applicant. They're happy with that. Welsh Water understand the terms of their permit, and they do have to implement those changes and those improvements to the private treatment plant, the sewage treatment plant. Thank you. Jock about, thanks for that. The local member likes to say a few words, Jock about. Thank you, Mr Chairman. As it's already been established, this is a historical application way before my time and it seems that all the necessary criteria have been met. There is local concern about the phosphates, but that's been explained very, very clearly. Having spoken to NRW and Welsh Water, they do plan to upgrade that facility, but that's not going to come in four to five years time. As long as it's built within the permit, I can't really see any objection from the local community. Okay, Jock about, thank you for that. Anyone like to raise any other issues, please? Okay, so do we have a proposal or a seconder for anything, please? Okay, okay. Jock around, Councillor James. And we have a seconder for that, please. Councillor Edwards, please. Jock about, thank you. Okay, do you want to just confirm the voting before I do the wrong talk? Jock around. I can share, yeah. Thank you very much. Jock around. Borodar everybody. As ever, the recommendation in this case is to grant. So if you are in favour of the recommendation, which has been proposed and seconded, you will say four. If you're against, you'll say against. Thank you, Chair. Okay, Jock about, thank you. Councillor Chard, please. Four. Councillor Edwards, please. Grant. Councillor Elson, please. Grant. Councillor Justine Evans, please. And, yeah, and Councillor Chris Evans, please. Grant. Councillor Harlan, please. I'll bide. Four. Councillor Hilary Roberts, please. Four. Councillor James, please. I'll bide. Four. Councillor Dallas Jones, please. I'll bide. Four. Councillor Julie Matthews, please. Four. Councillor Mendy, please. Four. Councillor Paddy, please. Four. Councillor Roberts, please. I'll bide. Four. Councillor Sandilands, please. I'll bide. Four. Councillor Tomlin, please. Two grants. Councillor Cheryl Williams, please. Four. I myself, I'm four. Okay, so that's been approved along with officer recommendation at 16 for non-against and non-abstentions. Jock and Vail, thank you. Okay, I'll just let the room clear and then I'll move on to Jock and Vail. Members, officers, item number 7, page 139, code 4420230783EF. Location is land adjacent to the churchyard entrance fronting Church Street in Hrudlun. And program is recommended, one number, detached dwelling and associated works is a resubmission. The local members are Councillor Davies and Councillor Roberts. Officer recommendation is to grant and we do have a public speaker who is the agent who's attending online, I believe. So, Mr Lloyd, if you can just start when you're ready, please, and we start the three minutes soon as you speak and we are strict on the time with Jock and Vail and thank you for attending. Thank you, Chair. I will be mercifully brief for you all. A considerable part of the officer's report covers the planning history from which it's evident that previous applications haven't been capable of overcoming concerns raised by officers meant through the appeals system. Sites such as this do present considerable challenges when trying to plan even modest development, especially when the setting of assets such as the Lich Gate and the conservation area are considerations. From the outset of my involvement, it was apparent to me that the overarching issue was not the principle of accommodating a dwelling on here, and that's something officers have consistently accepted, but that it was necessary to look really carefully at the character and pattern of development in the town, and especially around the land itself, and work with that. One of the really pleasant features of this part of the conservation area is the way buildings sit close to streets and each other. They're of intimate scale, if you like. In such places, the report recognises that sometimes you have to apply a little bit of planning judgement and perhaps some imagination, and not stick rigidly to SPG guidance figures. To be honest, the conservation area wouldn't have the value it has today had it been designed by SPG. Considerable thought and care has been given to the scale, position, size, plan, roof shape and materials of the dwelling to ensure that views across the site of the Lich Gate and into the churchyard would be retained. The reduced scale and roof form open up the space across the church gates. During the course of the application, the proposals have been further refined, and I do thank officers for their assistance in helping us do that. After you saw the site last week, further revisions also to the materials have been made, adding more stone and reducing the sleeper height to the boundaries. These have been issued to officers. As your report confirms, there's always some balance needed in planning cases. It tells you there are no significant material planning considerations to reasonably resist this scheme. I think I would actually flip that around and say this is a sustainable form of development that resolves in full previous concerns and benefits from significant material considerations that favour the application balance, sorry, favour the planning balance being to grant permission for the application. It's a subtle but important distinction, I think. So I just ask you to accept the officer's recommendation this morning, and then my client can indeed move forward on the matters it raises. Thank you, Chair. Okay, Jochimael, thank you for that. And we did have a site meeting on the previous Friday at 10 a.m. Myself, Councillor James, Councillor, local members, Councillor Davis, who's online and Councillor Roberts, along with Councillor Hogg, Tomlin, and Councillor Jones. And it was good to see the Community Councillor there also, Councillor Gareth Rowlands. It's a good meeting, good conversation. Would anyone who attended that on Friday like to say a few words on what they viewed of the site visit before I go to the local members? Yeah, Mr Chair, I'd like to speak. Thank you. Okay, Councillor Davis, Jochimael. Thank you, Mr Chairman. Yes, we had a very good site meeting. A lot of my concerns were listened to and addressed, particularly materials used in keeping with the area, but I see there is a revised plan, so that is now addressed. I'm very pleased to see that there will now be the old stone work around the frontage of the property. I was particularly keen that the walls surrounding the property is maintained. The archaeological watch does get carried out. Sometimes they do look at mists, so this is a particularly interesting area close to the church, so we could have some very interesting findings there. Thank you, Mr Chairman. Okay, Jochimael. I'm proud you attended on Friday. Okay. Mr Roberts, did you want to come in? Yeah, thank you very much, Mr Chairman. I'll turn from Welsh to English as I wish. I think that this is going to be passed, but it's better than what's there currently in my view, and it's important that we protect the literature gates at the entrance and that that isn't affected at all. The fact that there are sleepers was raised between the walls, the wall and the wooden sleepers. Hopefully that will be improved in the future. I hope also that this won't be a house that's used as a second home or as an Airbnb, that it won't be a holiday let as it were. So I do hope that there is an archaeological survey going to be conducted as well and on the site as soon as possible. I'd like to have two conditions included if possible. The work only commences at nine o'clock in the morning, and that it finishes at five because it is going to affect people who live along the church street, and they would possibly feel that there's too much noise early morning. They're of quite an age, a lot of them. Also if there are funerals or weddings that happen at the church, then they would cooperate with church offices and that the work will pause for a period of time. So two conditions there, and I would be quite happy then that the work that the offices have done that is approved, that I would be happy for it to be carried forward. Thank you. Okay, just before bringing officers in, obviously on our site visit, officers Paul Mead, development manager and Chris Evans on conservation with their apologies, I missed that out. Any feedback on the point ladies, Jock and Bill, thank you. Yes, certainly thank you very much chair and thank you to the local members for their input, both at the site visit and today. In relation to the late representation sheets, you'll notice that there are a couple of amended and additional conditions that we put on there just in relation to the point around the property use in the future to make sure that it's a dwelling. There is also a planning condition on there in relation to the stone boundary wall, and to make sure that that is retained, and also a condition there on a construction method statement effectively. The agent who spoke very eloquently this morning in relation to the application would hear the local members concerns there around the funeral services and the proximity of the church and the hours of operation that workers should be on site. So they will submit to us details of their proposals for construction and hopefully they will take that, those points into account. So we don't need any additional conditions because the conditions are there, but thank the local member for the points that have been raised. Thank you, chair. Okay, Councillor Tomlin please. Thank you, chair. Yes, I did attend the site visit and it gave me good perspective of the actual location of the building. It is quite a small footprint building, but it gave me good perspective to be there to see that it was as far away as it could be from the Lynch gate. And it also gave me the perspective that I needed regarding its height in relation to the surrounding boundary walls to the rear and the side. So with everything else that's gone before us today, I would have no problem with supporting this application. Thank you. Okay, Jacopo, Councillor Hildreth-Roberts please. Just a quick query about what Councillor Roberts said about work. I fully accept if there's a funeral or a service that the work should stop. However, I do have a little issue with nine o'clock start because I don't know many contractors in in Denver should start at nine o'clock. I mean, we've just had a recent down by Glasteer there where, you know, they were on site half a seven, eight o'clock. So I just think that we would be handcuffing contractors in their work and adding to the cost of the build. So I think we just need to be practical and very careful of what we're implementing on the on the start time, please. Good point. So what is the time confirmed? And is there any flexibility needed in that debate? Yeah, I think the planning condition in itself is actually requiring details of construction method statement to be submitted to us. So once that is submitted to us, obviously we'll liaise with the local members on that. Part of that nowadays what we try and do with developments is ensure that the developer is a considerate developer. So he sort of leaves the contact detail of the site manager and those types of things for locals to contact should there be any issues. I think what we obviously sounds like what we're hoping for here is a bit of consideration on both sides, because I guess the quicker the development can take place, so maybe the earlier it starts, the quicker it finishes. So we'll try and get the balance right on that, and we'll work with the agent to get that sorted. Thank you, chair. Okay. I think all the points raised are valid. Obviously, we're dealing with a church, so that extra communication is going to be needed, but it sounds like that commitment's there. Okay. Anyone else, please? Okay. Do I have a proposal, please? Okay. Councillor Roberts, seconded by Councillor Tomlin. Thank you. I just get officers to confirm again what we're voting on, then I will do the roll call. Thank you, chair. Again, in this instance, the officer recommendation is to grant. So if members are in favour of that recommendation, they will say four. If they're not, they will say against. Thank you. Okay. Councillor Chad, please. Councillor Edwards, please. Councillor Elson, please. Councillor Chris Evans, please. Councillor Harlan, please. Councillor Hildred Roberts, please. Councillor James, please.

1. Councillor Jones, please. 4. Councillor Matthews, please. 4. Councillor Mendez, please. Councillor Paddy, please. 4. Councillor Roberts, please. 5. 4. Councillor Sandilands, please.
2. Councillor Tomlin, please. 4. Councillor Williams, please. 4. Sorry, 4. And myself, Councillor Young, I'm 4. Okay, Jock and McVale, that's been approved along with officer recommendation. That's 16 for non-against and non-absentient Jock and Vale. Thank you. Okay, members, item number five, page 17, code number 0320240102PF. Location is Keir Jog, Birch Hill, Flancofflin. The proposal subdivision of existing dwelling to form one ground floor flat and one flat on the second and third floors including retrospective extension and parking area. Local members of Councillor Edwards and Councillor Keddie, officer recommendation is to grant the some late information you can make sure you've read, please. And I will go to the local member before going to members of Jock and Vale. Councillor Edwards, would you like to say anything? Thank you, chair. I must admit that when I first came across this application, alarm bells did ring because mainly because there are issues with parking on Birch Hill. And I've had numerous emails over the over the last couple of years expressing concern. However, with this particular property, obviously, we are talking about one additional bedroom, but now we have parking spaces, an extra two additional parking spaces plus cycle storage on the application. So in terms of I've had a discussion with officers, obviously, and I've requested that additional conditions be placed on the property, because my concern was that maybe it might be used for holiday lights. And then with that comes excess vehicles. And that would be a real problem on that on that road. So I'm quite happy with the things that the additional conditions on on that basis, I would like to propose that the obligations are brief. Thank you for the second account of the party. Okay, would any members like to raise any other issues on this application? Okay. Got a proposal. Got a second. We're all happy. Again, I'll just get officers confirmed the voting and I'll do the roll call joke about. Thank you, chair. Again, the officer recommendation is to grant in this case with members are in support of that they will say for or if they're not, please say against that. Thank you. Okay, jockerel. Councillor chart, please. Oh, that's the Edwards please. Councillor Elson, please. Oh, kind of like Evan Chris Evans, please. Oh, that's the Harlan place applied. Oh, that's the Hildy Roberts, please. Oh, that's the James, please. Oh, sorry, comes from Matthews, you know, mute still sorry. I didn't hear you call me. It's a voucher for thank you. Councillor Mendez, please. Councillor Perry, please. Oh, that's the Roberts, please. Oh, blade. Oh, that's the Sandilands, please. Oh, blade. Oh, that's the Williams, please. Oh, I'm yourself Councillor young and for bail. Okay, so that's been approved along with officer recommendation that 16 for non against no abstentions jockerel. Thank you. Okay, I'll move swiftly on to item number eight. Oh, and I'll just wait for the member who's declared an interest to leave comes the patties left the chamber if you can note that please. And that is code number 4720230796 PS. Location is bio Jane biogen even the way in Hollywood Road react, say passive the variation of condition free of planning permission for seven to one to 1120 to include the digestion of food and or non waste crops. I believe we have no speaker on there. But we've got an officer who's coming to say a few words on that local member is Council Chris Evans, who's with us online today. So I'll bring in the officer who's dealt with this Robin first, please, then I'll bring in a local member and then members themselves. So jock about Robin, if you're there, can you just do an intro, please talk about Thank you. Yes, no problem. I'm just gonna give a very brief overview of the current operations that are ongoing on site. And how this planning application will will vary upon the operations that are currently currently happening. Yeah, by your genuine outside canal with has been operational since 2014. Its main purpose is to deal with residual food waste collected by Conway, then Fisher and flincher local authorities. This application is to consider the merits and allowing a greater variance in feedstock of non waste crops such as maize, rye, and grasses to be mixed with food waste in the production of a more consistent fuel for the anaerobic digestion plant. I'm going to give a brief description what operations on site entails. Firstly, waste food as it is at present is imported to site. It is then shredded and fed into large tanks and broken down anaerobically by macro and micro organisms. The gas is extracted and utilized to power a generator that in turn feeds electricity to the grid. The material which is left over, which is called digested, which still contains the nutrients, for instance, nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium is then made available as an alternative source of manure or fertilizer to be utilized and spread on land by local farmers. The site and operations are regulated and controlled by way of planning conditions of which would be reintroduced should this planning application be granted and by way of an environmental permit as governed by Natural Resources Wales. As part of the planning process, objections were received as to the negative effects the utilization of crops at this AD plant may have on the farming industry, on land prices, and upon the Welsh language and culture locally. There was also objections raised as to the lack of landscaping on site, the effects by way of odour and noise on local amenity, and the effect on the local highway network. These concerns have been addressed within the reports presented to this planning committee. The Highway Authority, the Public Protection Department, Natural Resources Wales, and Tzemirxiong Community Council were consulted as part of the application together with a public consultation process. And it is considered that the application accords with national planning policy and policies adopted within the Denbisher local development plan. The recommendations for approval, which would vary condition three of the existing planning permission to allow the anaerobic digestion of food waste and non-waste crops at this facility. Okay, thanks for that. Councillor Chris Evans, would you like to come in on this item please, Jochovale, thank you. Hi, morning Chair. It's just what the officer has said then from Denbisher that there is concerns about the farming land being agricultural being used. But my concern is that they haven't adhered to the first planning application that was granted in 2012-2013 about the actual landscaping of the area. How can we have the trust and the commitment of the company that this will be adhered to going forward? Would this be looked at before it's granted, please? Thanks for that. I'll just bring in officers on that point. Thank you very much. Yeah, I think we were aware that there has been some concern around the original consent and the compliance with the planning conditions. That unfortunately goes into the realms of the planning compliance process then really where we'd have to look at that. I have to admit I'm not aware of any significant complaints that have been put in recently about landscaping. I think that the site is relatively well screened, but officers have been passed on to our planning compliance team to look at. Unfortunately, that can't prevent the determination of this planning application today because this is looking at varying a different condition in relation to what goes into this particular plan. Obviously, there are planning conditions that limit the use of this plan in terms of what goes into it, but also environmental permitting regulations as well that deal with that. So again, I think we have to sort of trust the process if you like in relation to this particular application and if there are any issues that are raised further down the line, then there are sort of regulatory processes that we can follow to look into that. Thank you, Chair. Can you just touch on very briefly then the capacity of the site as it sits today and if this does get approved, I believe it stays the same. If we can confirm that and there's been no recent, there's been no recent complaints regarding odours and noise, I believe, but it's been raised by the public. If you can confirm that, that'd be great. Thank you, Chair. Yeah, we're not aware of any recent complaints in that instance regarding odours, etc. We're aware of the historic ones and they've actually been investigated and shown in many of the cases to be unrelated to this use. In terms of capacity, I think it's important to point out that the capacity of the plant is still remaining the same as it was when initially granted. It's not being enlarged in any way whatsoever, so the amount that it can deal with is the same amount that it could deal with in 2012 when we first granted. So from that side of things, it can only deal with its maximum capacity and at the moment we understand that it's operating at about 80% of its capacity. So this proposal allows them to use up that remaining 20%. I hope that helps, Chair. Thank you. OK, Jock and Val. Councillor Elson, please. Paul Griffin has just really quoted what I was, I was under the impression that basically the capacity of the anaerobic digester was not fully fed by the three counties' food waste and there was spare capacity, which obviously everything that's built like that, if it's running at 100% capacity, it's getting its maximum efficiency and maximum energy generation. So yeah, I think that was where my point was that I was understanding that this was purely to top up the fact that we don't generate in the three counties enough food waste to make it run at full capacity. Thank you. OK, Jock and Val, thank you. OK, Members. OK, Councillor Tomlin, please. Jock and Val. Thank you. This to me has been a very interesting application and it's opened my eyes to quite a few things regarding our food waste. But one thing that did interest me that I'd heard along the way when this item has been discussed is that the bringing in of the cereals in the maize will only be from a very small local radius area. And to my mind, that again, helps this application support the carbon footprint side of things as well. It's not a big operation. It's adding a little bit more to it and it's all from the locality. So I think that's important as well. Thank you. OK, Jock and Val. As I held in Roberts. Thank you, Chair. I was actually what Andrew has taken some of what I was going to say, because I think that's a positive in this application. And James Elson says there that the it's not actually processing all the food waste. Well, maybe it's not being picked up is the issue right now. I have to put that in. But I think we I think for me, the question fundamental question on the amount of on the amount of conditions that are on this application and. It's really to turn it round to ask you as officers is what reason could you would you refuse this application? Because I think that's the fundamental question for me. OK, I'll ask that it's supported by officers, but I get the point. Yeah, I think it brings us back to the planning committee in relation to an evidence base for any sort of decision that we make here. So you'd look for an evidence base for why to refuse the these additional non crop waste to go into the plant. And I think if it's not a capacity, obviously, if there was wider impacts from this proposal and increased impacts and there was an evidence that there was going to be harm to the local community in that we haven't got any of that evidence to suggest that. So in this case, that's why we've grant a recommended grant. OK. So, James, please. And then. Thanks. Thanks, chair. I agree with everybody that's been said, and I think we should. I'd like to propose that we approve this. Thanks very much. Do we have a seconder? Councillor Jones. Well, I'll bring the local member back in. Do you want to go, Chris? Just one of the issues that I think we've overlooked where it is, is farmland all around it, and it's very as cattle as sheep and what the farming community are worried that some farmers that that cattle would be moved off that land and we will be using them fields to grow crops to throw in the digester. And that's one thing that, yes, it's good that we need to get these working at 100 percent, but we can't have it as a detriment to the farming community. And that's just something I'd like the committee to take on. Thank you. Thanks for the comment. I don't think that touches on the planning control. Can I just clarify on that, then, so that effectively, if I'm right, there's no change of use in that land, is there? Because the land is still grade one quality agricultural land, so that wouldn't have an effect. Yeah. The point well made. OK, we all happy if I go to the vote. OK. That's OK. I don't think it often says again, just to clarify that there's no issues. Officers, you know, Chair, thank you very much. So, again, the officer recommendation here is to grant. So if you are in favour of that recommendation, please say for if you are against, say against. Thank you. OK. The charge, please. Oh, Edward, please. Oh, the Elson, please. Oh, was it Evan, please? Oh, that's a Holland, please. Oh, that's a Hilton Roberts, please. Oh, that's a James, please. Oh, the Matthews, please. Oh, that's the Mendes, please. Come to the left room, Councillor Roberts, please. Oh, right. Oh, that's the Sandilands, please. Oh, Blyde. Oh, Councillor Tomlin, please. Oh, Councillor Williams, please. Oh, and myself, Councillor Young, I'm for. So that should be 15. Right. OK. OK. OK. Thanks for that. So that's been approved along with officer recommendation. That's 15 for none against and no abstentions. And I believe that's it. Thank you for all attending. Thanks, officers and members. Jock about and I'll close the meeting.