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Please hold your meeting has been temporarily adjourned. Please hold your meeting has been temporarily adjourned. Please hold your meeting has been temporarily adjourned. Please hold your meeting has been temporarily adjourned. Good morning everyone. The first item on the agenda is the appointment of a chair for today's meeting. Please ask if there are any nominations for a chair. Thank you. Is that seconded by Councillor Ray, all in favour. Thank you Councillor Heather you may now take the chair. Thank you. Good morning Councillors officers and members of the public. Before we get to the agenda I'll ask the Councillors in attendance of today's meeting to introduce themselves. Starting myself, I'm Councillor Alison Healey and I am the ward Councillor for Hasenford and also present we've got Councillor Leslie Spedding and Councillor John Ray. Thank you Leslie Smith and also the ward. John Ray. On the following we've got Gary. Gary. Gary Coblin there's numerous variations. Sam Gove for the Democratic Senate. Do you need to introduce yourself? No I'm just trying to get you to do that. Moving to item 2. Decorations of interest. Are there any declarations of interest from the subcommittee members? No. I've got a declaration of interest. I know Wayne, he's the clerk at Hasenford Paris Council but I'm not on the council I just know who he is. So that's my declaration of interest. The application for a premises license on the left expensive playing field wouldn't be moved Winston. Can I have those in attendance. Tracey Billington, the license enforcement officer to introduce themselves and Jennifer Rowney also license and import. We've also got the applicants. I thought you were all from. Oh sorry sorry sorry. Come on Tracey. Sorry. Tracey Rowney and the senior license officer. Ok thanks. Too much stuff going on with my life at the moment. The applicants all from Withersford Palace Council are Councillor Wayne Soltrey, Anna Cook, Emma Ongere and Craig Bailey. And the object is Tab Willcox who's speaking on behalf of Mrs Willcox. Is that right? And Carol Ennsly. Obviously the proceeding for the serve hearing has been circulated, for those taking part, and can be found on page 3 of the agenda pack. I will invite the speakers in accordance with the procedure. Tracey could you introduce a summarize the application please. And I will shut up now. Thank you and good morning chair, members, ladies and gentlemen. This licensing act subcommittee is to consider an application for a new premises license. For Letty Spencer playing fields. Why Bunbury Road? Is that how you say it? Why Bunbury Road? That's how you spell it. Williston. The full details of which are contained within the committee report. The consultation period for this application was the 4th of April 2024 to the 2nd of May 2024. During that consultation period we received six representations against the application, some of whom are in attendance today. Objector number 5 on page 43 of the report has now withdrawn their objection. Also in attendance today are members of Williston Parish Council who are the applicant. For information the applicant has applied for the two recent temporary event notices on the area in discussion today. One was a celebration of the Queen's Jubilee on the 4th of June 2022. This was applied for until 9pm at night and a garden party on the 15th of July 2023 until 8pm. Environmental health confirmed no noise complaints were received as a result of these two events. I will now hand back to the chair. Do you members of the subcommittee have any questions for Tracey at the moment? I'm sorry, my ears didn't work properly that time. Was it no objections you said? Did you say it to the last one? A garden party? For the two temporary event notices that have been applied for, yeah, environmental health confirmed there have been no complaints. No, yeah, thank you. Williston Parish Councillors is, are you on thinking way, OK. As the applicant, can you present your case to the subcommittee for any comment? Thank you very much. Good morning members, thank you for the opportunity to address you today regarding our application for the committee's licence for the Letty Spencer Plainfield, which is the home to the Williston Garden Party and other potential community events. So we are here on behalf of the Williston Events Committee, a delegated committee of Williston Parish Council established in 2022 to organise and deliver events regarding community. Due to the success and positive community feedback from these events, particularly the Williston Garden Party, which has become a much anticipated annual tradition, we seek to transition from temporary event notices, TENS, to more practical and sustainable premises libraries. Our application has been informed by extensive community feedback. In 2022, we conducted a survey with a significant participation from Williston residents, including indicating strong support for our events. With 93% of respondents in Plainfield and future garden parties and many expressive interests in new initiatives, such as an open air cinema event. Despite this overwhelming support, we have received some representations expressing concerns about our licence application. We understand and respect these concerns and have taken steps to address them comprehensively now a correspondent already submitted ahead of today's hearing and we look forward to opening and answering any of these concerns directly. Key points of clarification I would like to include at this point, as follows. So event, frequency and scope, our proposed licence outlined the maximum number of events per year to provide flexibility, not an intention to host numerous events. Our primary focus remains the annual Garden Party with potential to do a few additional work with events or design with community enjoyment and family family by using mine. Community and environmental considerations, we have demonstrated consistent attention to most control, parking management and overall event organisation to minimise any negative impacts on the community. Our garden parties have been praised for their quality and inclusivity, and we have reversed funds to ensure they continue to meet these standards. Safety and health measures, we have invested in significant infrastructure improvements, including widening the entrance gates to accommodate emergency vehicles and relocating waste bins and signage to ensure clear access. Our operational plans include changing health and safety measures, and we have a proven track record of management days without any incidents of antisocial behaviour or safety concerns. We believe that the premises licence will enhance the quality and sustainability of our events, offering better experiences for attendees, whilst maintaining the community spirit that has defined our efforts. We are committed to making any necessary adjustments to our application, to align the community needs and subcommittee recommendations, including reducing the number of potential events and just new motionable hours. Thank you for putting in our application. We are confident that with your support, we can continue to deliver valuable and appreciated events for those who need them. Thank you. Okay. Objectors, now this is your opportunity to ask questions of the applicant. It's not the time to present your case, just ask questions, and then later on you'll get the chance to present your case against the application. So do you have any questions for the applicant? I have no questions, thank you. No, I've got no questions. Okay. Do any of the other subcommittees have any questions for the applicant? Okay, thanks, Ms Miller. Would you just go over the numbers of events that you are expecting to hold for all of these? So at the moment currently, we are only expecting to hold one event, which is the guided party. So our next guided party will take place on Saturday the 6th of July, and that is the one event that we've been planning for for the past seven, eight months. At the moment, there is no plans for any other events, but the application that we've made, we made it stipulating Qantas events to essentially future-proof the application and give us options for the future. At the moment, we do not plan to do any similar events or any other events that would involve my sensible activity. Potentially in the future, we might decide that we would like to trial a cinema event. And importantly, it would be initially a trial. So if we were to pursue the idea of a low-net cinema, we would do it on one occasion, see if it is successful, and then potentially, for the novel one, if it was successful. But we certainly have got no plans for any of those events at this point. And also, just to advise, so the guided party, which happens once a year, myself and one of my colleagues, we've been planning this for the past few months. We put a lot of time into planning it. We don't have the capacity for hosting numerous events, so our capacity will also dictate how many events will be taken place. Very good. Then how are you ensuring that some of the residents will be protected from any possible noises like that? So, I mean, noise, as an event like we have, so the garden party, I mean, primarily, it's a fantastic day for the family. There is live music, there is the sound of people. There is going to be noise, but we don't believe that it's a noise that causes disturbance. I mean, one thing that we did before we started these events was look into environmental health and what's past as noise disturbance. The actual times of the events, for example, our next garden party starts at 12pm and will end at 7pm, so we feel that well within times of accessibility for any noise. I would say that the noise is not a negative noise. It is a noise of an event. And I would hope that it's acceptable. I mean, we have got plans in place to monitor noise if we need to, so we looked into using decibel metres, but we've just never found in the past events that that's not been necessary. Any other questions, Councillor baby?

• Nobody has. - OK. On page 8 on this report it says that the applicant has stated they estimate they will not have live music on more than four occasions a year. And then the next paragraph says that the applicant has stated they estimate they will not be supplying alcohol on more than six occasions a year. Could you expand on that, give us more of an explanation. Absolutely. So in the information that I sent across to you last week, I did a link to how potentially events could work. So we've got three different licenceable activities, live alcohol, live music and film showings. A potential event, for example the garden party utilises two of those licenceable activities, the live music and the supply of alcohol. Potentially if there was a similar event, then that might also utilise having files available. So that's why the different quantities for the different licenceable events. But as already mentioned, these figures are not a target, they're not a plan, they were just a figure that we chose as an appropriate figure for this initial licensing application. In the information I sent to you last week, we have already suggested a proposal to change those quantities. So we suggested that our films would be a maximum of two events per year, live music a maximum of two events and then the supply of alcohol a maximum of four events. So we know we're already happy to propose that that changes the community part of this proposal. Okay, Captain. I noticed that you mentioned widening the entrance as well. Could you just describe where it is and how you achieved that, because it's not clear. So, if you look in between on Wunder Road, we've got offices that are marked 26 and 36. So, what we did was the old gates and very wide, open pillars. So they were removed and replaced with better hosts and it has now just made the effect with the gates suitable for a wide range of vehicles. Did you discuss with the residents their compliance and how it would affect them, possibly or not? What aspects of it? In the vehicles driving, is this for vehicles or for pedestrians? So this is the pedestrian entrance into the playing field, but no vehicles would use that entrance on a day-to-day basis. So, when there's an event, then we would have vehicles driving through and the ride of those gates now allows more vehicles to be able to do that. Okay, Captain. Yes, coming back to the entrance. I'm looking at the plan. It seems that that's the only entrance and no emergency exit to that place at all. So, if you look at the top of the plans, we've got the St John's Methodist Church. So, there's another entrance that goes from the field into that area. St John's Methodist Church is also where we have our toilet provision for any events. So, that would be located in the car park. So, as part of our risk assessment, we would use that exit as an emergency exit. So, one thing that we did before we started our third event in 2022 is we calculated the required numbers of egress in case of emergency and it's all based on the width of the exit and how many people can pass through that exit in an appropriate amount of time. And with the two exits, these calculations and these formulas that we logged into indicated to us that you could actually exit 3,200 people in a concrete amount of time in case of emergency. Now, our event is actually capped at 2,000. So, we are well under the numbers that we anticipated [inaudible] Just to follow up, the St John's Methodist Church is toilet and washing facilities. That's the only thing, there's nothing on the sports field. It's all for recreation. So, for quality services etc. it's the Methodist Church. It's not actually in the Methodist Church, so we hire therapists, and we park them in the car park of the church. So, we're not using their facilities. We have it available to us, so there is actually two disabled toilets in the church which we do have available for anybody that needs those accessible toilets. But for general use, we have reports all toilet in the car park, and the provision of those is again based on what we're saying. Okay, right. I'll do that. Okay, thank you. And your fire and ambulance regulations and so on, are they all in place? Yeah, so it's part of our risk assessments. And the past two events, we invite the fire service to the events as well. So, they come for engagement. So, they have them part of our last two events. And also, as part of our event management, we do have a first-aid fire specifically. That's most of it. Any other questions from the festival team? I've just got a couple of questions. The first thing is you say your events are capped at 2,000 people, would you expect to get that many people? So, in 2022, which was our first event, and we were very fortunate that we had great weather, it was a great day, and our peak was at any one time was roundabout 40 on you. And throughout the day, so total visitors, we actually expected that edge of 2,500 visitors, but the peak was at roundabout 40 on you, so well below our capped bands. Last year was a bit of an interesting day because unfortunately we're facing the day-to-day actually. We have the rain and not too great of weather. Fortunately, though, it didn't dampen people's spirits too much, and we still had good attendance. The actual total was probably more, sorry, the peak was probably more around the 700 mark. And in the total, around 12. The other question, well, going on from that actually. I've seen you say cruise people walking, use the bus, and not drive there and stuff like that. Is it realistic, you know, to have 1,400 people at one time that have been able to walk the plane with people or get the bus to the plane with them? We do believe that, I mean, the event is primarily for all of us, and you can walk from the edge of the parish the furthest distance that anybody that lives within the palace would have to walk would be no more than a 10 to 15 minute walk. So the event is primarily for all of us to be residents, and we believe that the majority are going to walk. There were always any events, anywhere. There's always going to be people that will drive in getting noticed in the walk to events. We believe that the majority of people that drive will park considerably. I mean, every driver knows how you can and cannot park, and we would really need to get to their determination to park considerably. We have, I believe, I'm moving to it in my own information, but in the past two years, we have heard of a couple of instances after the event where there was some maybe in a particular parking, but we believe it was very, very minimal and very, very isolated. During the incident, we have never had any resident come to us and say, I'm currently locked in, I can't get out of my drive, can you help? because if that happened, we thought a process that would be enacted straight away. So, you know, we would announce any car that needed to be moved, which, you know, this is something that was a face down at the end of it. So, that's something that we have always been able to do, something that we certainly will get to in the future. Just as a little addition, one thing that we're planning to do for this year is for all the neighbouring properties, we're going to put through an additional flyer with a telephone on it. So, if anybody has any parking issues, they're locked in, we encourage them to call, text that number, and within seconds, we can actually have announcements put out in that way. Also, as well, we have great support on the date on different volunteers, coming out of the punctures, we can work in for our operational plan that somebody surveys on a regular basis the parking situation on those to make sure that's an issue. Just a last question from HR, I've got it right. The events you have so far have ended at 7 o'clock and 8 o'clock, what the application is for this is 10 o'clock, and I'm not even trying to get that. So, the application, again the time, was simply a time chosen to future-proof the application, just to give us that option. But yes, the past events have ended earlier, and as suggested on the information sent last week, we're absolutely happy to reduce licence of oil powers for the supply of alcohol and live music to 9pm. We wouldn't prefer the option to keep the licence for a film showing if we didn't want to pursue that for 10pm, just to allow them that if we did never do that and it were an evening film showing, it would be able to be done on its own practically. OK, any more questions? Yes, I think there's one there. I notice from the plans here that there's no parking facilities at all provided by the recreation. People or whatever. I don't know any plans to do that, I mean, there's none whatsoever at all, because it's so people will have to park on the road if they're going by car or whatever. Yeah, so we don't have any parking for attendees. We do have parking available for people involved in an official capacity, so we have a use of a private car park for that, and that can accommodate those people, but we don't have plans to create parking or encourage parking. We are committed to the fact that the event is a walk-through event and we're not expecting it to have a draw where people are needing to park. By providing parking efficiently, you are then going away from that message of it being a walk-through event, which is something that we really wanted to maintain. I mean, just in terms of parking, as I was saying, anybody who's a driver, going anywhere, it's a driver's responsibility to park in a safe and considerate manner, and we are aware that people do drive to events and they do park in a safe and considerate manner. There is areas within the village where parking is possible. We get promoted, but we believe if somebody does choose to park, it's down to that person to make that determination where they need to park.
• Any more questions?
• No, I think that's about it.
• Can't post that. I was just wondering about the layout of your event and which way it would be facing or which way the sound might travel.
• Yeah, so on the plan that I provided, which is on page 37, it does give you an indication of the... of the layout.
• Oh, yes.
• And so this is the layout that we've actually had for the past two Government Marsha's and the layout was... The layout was decided to cause for these impacts, so you can see the location of the stage at the top of the... of the... of the playing field. Any PA is facing downwards. And so, how is that it's facing towards either one right at the bottom of the playing field? I mean, interestingly, we have... we have feedback from the viewers that people, so for example, at the bottom of the south end of the playing field, we have... we have stallholders, we have events happening down there and we actually have feedback from people saying that they couldn't hear the music. So, that indicates the scope of the sound produced from the stage. I mean, the idea of the stage and the music and the PA there is that it's meant to be enjoyed by people actually in that area.
• Thank you.
• Okay. Any other questions at this stage?
• No.
• Okay. Worcester Palace Councillors, Wayne... As the African, do you want to clarify any matters you feel all clear or may have been missing?
• Yes. - Yes? Okay, go ahead.
• Thank you, Chair. How do you envisage your live music events? How are they... What type of events are you planning?
• So, at the moment, we're not planning any of our events. So, in terms of live music, that's the only take-place. That's our garden party. And just for example, last year, we had an acoustic guitarist and singer performing with a small PA within the field. And then we also had our music on our stage and that was just a line of the different events ranging from fellow singers to a couple of bands. So, I mean, at the moment, we're just in the process of concluding our lineup for our next garden party. One thing that's really important to us is the idea of live music is to provide enjoyment to the day. It's entertainment for the attendees. We want that to be absolutely right. And we've got a lot of time into choosing who's gonna learn with us and perform on the day, and it's meant to be really fitting for the day, really growing the field. One thing that we're really pleased about is, after every event for the past two years, the feedback that we've had about the quality of the event, the quality of the music, rather than the little boxes, and that's something that we've... you know, the boxes, I mean... But the live music is... we see it's all an element of the garden party. You know, we've not got any plans for any bigger, grander live music events, it's just an element of our coming garden party. Thank you. Well, if this application... if the committee of mine were to have this application, then you could have live music till ten o'clock on so many occasions per year. There is, for 2,000 people, that is a lot of noise that will be generated. Yeah, yeah. So it's... I appreciate it's maybe not your intention now, but if this application is granted, that could be your intention in the future, how would you safeguard it and make sure that that didn't happen? I think the easiest way to answer that right now is to say that is not our intention in the future. Our intention is to continue with the garden party and to provide the music elements as we currently do. You know, as previously mentioned, we're proposing that we reduce the number of parties. And it was interesting... When we got into completing this application, we had to decide how many events to actually list on there. So, as I say, we chose the numbers just to future prove future possibilities, no intentional plans to have multiple more events of single nature. So, as I've mentioned, our proposal to reduce it, I think would be the objective. Thank you. Anybody else? Any questions? You're missing. Sorry about that. No, you're fine. So, as I was saying before, would you like to sum up the application and make sure we fully understand it? Anything I wanted to add first of all. So, as part of this process, I did have a conversation with the Cheshire Police Licensing Officer Liaison. That was quite a lengthy conversation. I discussed all the plans, answered lots of questions. I don't believe I've seen a report in the report from them. I mean, he did say to me that he would submit his report with no objections. So, if that's not been important to members, that's disappointing. I was going to choose to have a really productive conversation with the Police Hoc Pointative and certain to have their support. We send the application to a number of response to authorities and if we don't hear anything, then we would take that if we've got no objection. Because we would only respond to it usually if they've got no objection. So, that's why I'm keeping it up there. Okay. It's because he actually mentioned that deal with submitting his report and the other party had no objections. That's why I imagine... ...to his manager or something or anything. Okay. But, yeah, just to sum up, I mean, we're really proud of the work that we've done over the past couple of years. So, we've hosted a couple of amazing community events for us in Garden Party. And I've mentioned about fantastic feedback on these events and we want to continue these events for the community and it's a community that we're all part of, all members of. We see this application as a change to our administration. You know, previously we've actually operated these events using internal event notices. So, it is a bit of an administrative change to go to a premises licence, which we feel is a much, much better way of actually causing this event. And as part of this process, I would even say that it's actually given us more experience, more knowledge. And as part of the premises licence is that I've now become a personal licensee, so that's not something that we need for the internal event notice, but that's something that I should report. I've now got that licence from Cheshire East. It's myself personally that we're busy and yes for the premises. So, that process in itself has been really informing and I think puts it in much better stead than the previous way that we've utilized the central event notices. But the event is for the community and Wollaston is a big community. Wollaston has a population of just over 3,500 people and we speak to a lot of residents in terms of what they want and what we do in this events committee. And we feel that certainly the garden party really delivers on the wants of the community. And we take everything that we need to into consideration. And again, this process has actually informed us even more. So, we're still learning, we're still adapting our plans to super feedback that we've actually had in this process. But yeah, that's our application and we hope that you'll give it the consideration as it were.
• Okay, thank you. Okay, over to you, the objectors. It's your opportunity to make observations and present your case for the object. You're both speaking, aren't you?
• I think it would be better if it were just myself and not repeating things and put the process to the right. Thank you, chair, council, leaders, officers, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for the opportunity of being allowed to speak to the committee and put our grievances forward. I have to speak on behalf of a number of people. I think our representation would be bigger if it wasn't a job at work's time because of people with work commitments and childcare. So, I hope you accept my comments on behalf of everybody else. Firstly, we don't believe that the playing field is an appropriate venue for such an event. As it contravenes a number of licensing objectives, such as a lack of facilities in it. For instance, the parking issue which we've talked about. There are no car parks in the vicinity and no other suitable parking. On a day-to-day basis, the circumstances around the parking are difficult at best and they're exacerbated by villagers to the park. At weekends when I believe these events will take place, residents are usually at home. So, that again reduces the amount of on-street parking considerably. Normally there's literally only one or two spaces free. Unfortunately, this does not stop, this is blocking residents' driveways. Those that have them, of course. This causes significant disruptions to people's lives. On occasions residents have to park some distance away. The parking issue would have a detrimental effect on the access and egress for emergency vehicles into the park. As you know, there's only one vehicle access to the field. The other access, which is located at St John's Methodist Church, is not a permanent access and it runs through the nursery and would be a temporary emergency exit for pedestrians only, not the vehicles. Parking aside, we have the noise issues. We don't believe that the parish council have taken into account. The recommendations of the guidance from the events advising the safety group are the documentary, which is on the Swedish council's website and it gives potential organisers lots of information on things of noise levels and the like. I don't propose to read it all out for anyone who could view it instead, but to give you an example of what they recommend, there's a noise level for this type of venue and it's 15 decibels over a 15-minute period and four or more days per calendar year. It goes into some other aspects of consultation with the public as well. We as residents on Wimbry Road, no one I've spoken to has been consulted. We have not been able to view any of the proposals other than the actual application for the licence. There's nothing on the parish council website which gives us an insight into what the intentions are. Again, if they have consulted with the events safety advisory group, these results have not been communicated, so we assume no consultations take place. We have not seen or have been made aware of the existence of any risk assessment for the events or at the very least any emergency or safety action plan. There's nothing on the website for residents or people in the parish to look at. So how will the organisers deal with potential emergencies which could arise from these public avenues to go to 500 people, which includes the sale of alcohol? We also have the question of the parish council's ability to police the events. The parish council have publicised numerous incidents of antisocial behaviour and it seems that these have reached a level whereby the parish council have explored the installation of CCTV and they've approved the purchase of body cams for personal safety issues. We also have concerns of the risk of fire on the field within the last two years within the fires due to the abundance of dry grass in prolonged dry spells. On one such occasion, the fire brigade was unable to access the field to tackle the fire and with the assistance of residents and with garden hoses, it was then finally extinguished. Thankfully, the gated entrance to the field has been widened to 2.9 metres, which is just wide enough to accommodate fire appliance, being the very bare minimum is 2.75 metres. So it doesn't leave much room for margin and you're not going to drive through that very quickly. Other than there is no need. In addition, the council have implemented a no-mold policy for a two metre strip which borders properties on Woodbury Road and surrounding other properties surrounding the field, which, again in dry spells, only provide more fuel for any potential fire. All these previously mentioned points display an inability to meet the requirements of the licensing objectives of the prevention of crime disorder, public safety and the prevention of public nuisance. And for these reasons, we believe the application should be refused. And if I may, I would like to address some of the newer points. Obviously, our objections refer to the original application of eight events. We have since heard and there has been published new proposals, like a 50% reduction. I don't know if you've seen the additional, I think it is attached to the agenda there. I've just picked a few of the paragraphs, not all, some of the more salient points. Moving there, the first one I've numbered. It states the Events Committee, which is delegated committee of Western Park Council, has set up in 2022 to deliver program events and so on. There's only been two events of this kind previously, one per year and that's been one for the Queen Elizabeth, the Internal Jubilee and one for the King's Coronation. And you have guessed residents will accept these events and they don't seem to be at the same frequency as what's been proposed in numbers and of course in numbers throughout the year, one a year as opposed to eight a year. Who else for the survey? Yes, there was a survey with 324 participants in total. Not all the participants answered all the questions and this number went down to 129 for some of the questions, which actually were a 3.5% population of Irish. We believe that there are 48 properties within 50 metres of the centre of the field. That's immediate, in the immediate vicinity, obviously that goes up when you increase the distance but it goes up just by 100 metres. The objectors have been making assumptions, seeing the notice of application, have further context about which licence will answer to the transfer of events. We've had to make assumptions because there's been no information, there's nothing, like I said, on the parish council website. We have not been able to view anything such as health and safety, risk assessments or anything like that. And another paragraph, the different licence elements will be combined into a singular events, supply of alcohol. Well, there's no plan to relate events to law required for eight events. With additional information in which the soldier is mentioned in the meeting, they only want to run one event. So is this premises licence the appropriate licence for the events that they propose? Another paragraph I've numbered. We have held a garden party for two consecutive years under 10. Our intention, understanding is that for regular events, the premises licence is a more appropriate, rather than the 10s. But if they're only running one a year, then I would have thought the 10s was the appropriate licence. Going back to the garden parties, the two events which have been run already, and there's a statement there where the garden parties have been promoted as a walk to event in up our money table. The majority of attending are lost in residence. People I've spoken to said it was chaos and both days were for parking and for people trying to drive through. It is a main sort of thoroughfare for the village. It runs from north to south. And, yeah, people are saying it was chaos. I wasn't there, I didn't witness that because we were away for the days. We made sure we were away for the days to avoid the disruption. It's also been stated that there's been no consultation. The process of applying for a premises licence provides consultation and the fact that the objectives that make representations show their participation in the process and that has been successful, I would challenge that. Being an objective is not being part of the process. There's been no engagement with the residents surrounding the field up to this point. So being an objective is not being a participant in the process. On the aspect of the publication of the event, normally these sort of events, as in the past, have been publicized on social media and on the Wurstan Parish Council website. There's been no such advertisement. It's been advertised on Nanswich Lake, which is a Nanswich publication, which I've never known to be posted to any property on Woodbury Road. And another paragraph we've applied for technical events and notices previously, which do not have the opportunity, consultation and the application is not required to be promoted anyway. But we believe that pursuing a premises licence is a more consultative process. But there's a contradiction there because we've had no consultation. In the next paragraph, the very next to the government party, another potential event is that they never will be alcohol fuelled as stated by an objective. That's a very unfair description by the respondent. At its heart, it will be family-focused and a day where the community can gather and share entertainment activities on offer. Again, I go back to the Irish Council's references during the meetings to the frequency of anti-social behaviour and the measures that they proposed to take to tackle that at the installation of CCTV and the issuing of body cameras to Council members for their personal safety. The next paragraph, an objective mentioned on how an event could disturb them whilst they're sitting in the garden. We hope that all residents will join us and not be in their gardens as the event is aimed at all members of our community and their enjoyment. It goes on, but as these one-off events that we've had two occasions previously, that's an acceptable level. You know, the percent frequency is any village fate. And the finishing times have not been as late as they proposed on the original application for the premises licence. The next paragraph, an objective stated that in the March minutes when the first reference to any application or event. Bit of confusion there. It's the application for this premises licence that we're looking at. There has been reference to the garden party this year. Only one reference to the application for the licence. And that was one line on the events committee. The premises licence has been applied for and publicly notified by the Nantucket Labour. That's been the only publication. There's no mention of it on social media or an article on the parish council's website. The next paragraph stated that issues in the playing field with antisocial behaviour, any antisocial behaviour issues, have happened when an OBEC has taken place. So the only thing is that antisocial behaviour is less likely to happen with an event. In comparison to other times, bylaws are in place for the playing field and will be enforced at any event if needed. The past two years of the events, two events we have had no issue whatsoever relating to licence support activity. Maybe not. But the assumption to accommodate the needs or the proposed needs have been made, these assumptions come clearly, to accommodate the needs of the proposal in my view or other people's views. I would think it's entirely feasible that when you increase the numbers of people, you sell them alcohol, then the increased likelihood of trouble is there. The next paragraph, to meet the health and safety obligations, the entrance gates are widened. I think we've covered that already, as previously mentioned. On the next marked paragraph, the suggestion by an objective that the event will be taking place every week is ludicrous. Every other week, I should say, is ludicrous. The application in its present form is asking for eight events. I don't suppose that these events will be run through the winter, so we're looking at May, June, July and August, which is four months, which is two events a month, on average, and events every other weekend. And finally, it is stated that this is not the only playing field in the village. I would suggest it is. It's certainly one with public access. There are other playing fields, like the cricket playing football field. It's privately restricted access to pretty much football games and training, and, of course, the vagrants' sports complex on Newcastle Road. Other than that, yes, this is the only one. So, in conclusion, we oppose the application for the reasons clearly mentioned, as we do not believe there is evidence that the licensing objectives will be met and the proposal contrary to noise control measures within event safety advisory group's recommendations. And again, if there's no intention to hold more than one event a year, why do we need [INAUDIBLE] license for eight? Thank you, Chair, Councillors, and officers. Thank you very much. Any questions? I'd like to see if I can see you. OK. You're doing my job for me. [LAUGHTER] Williston Parish Council, as the applicant, do you wish to ask any questions of the objectives by way of clarification? Questions of the objectives by way of clarification? There was one clarification everyone wanted to give, was where in our information centre last week where we talked about other playing fields in the village, your playing field that we're referring to as the Cheshire's playing field, which is in the area that we still call Red Sands, but is now home to Richmond Village in Wellesden. There is a playing field just to the north of that area. So we do speak to residents in the village and we recommend that to both Wellesden as well so we know that it was getting defined by somebody. Any other questions? Can I get a couple of responses? Is it possible for me to respond to some of the points made? Yes, OK. I think some of the points avoided, I suppose, previously, but just a couple of things that I wanted to pick up on. I mean, we have thoughts at length about parking. I would have to dispute that it was chaos because it was busy but it wasn't chaos. I mean, we had many people who were travelling in and out of the village on their set dates and it was certainly busier with character that's it, but it wouldn't certainly be as chaos. With regards to emergency access, so the gates into the playing field, there's no park in front of those gates. For the duration of the event, we have somebody who mans the gates so there's no possibility of anybody being able to drive into the gates there or park there so the entrance will always be clear and that's part, again, of our plans and something that has always been part of the past three years. With regards to noise issues, we are aware of the guidance. We have stood with the guidance and we really do believe that the noise that any event such as the Garden Party creates is absolutely within the premises, that's our perimeter, I think it is. With regards to risk assessments, I mean, we do produce all risk assessments. They have been internal documents. They are shared with who they need to be shared with. I mean, that's something that the community could take away in terms of, you know, risk assessments need to be published. So, at the previous event I mentioned before that the fire service had been in attendance at the events and interestingly, last year, whilst they were with us, they actually, they were still on call whilst we were at the event and they actually had two calls and they went and responded to their events, sorry, their calls and then still came back without issue so they were able to do that. So, with regards to minutes, we have published minutes on our website and the actual discussion of the purpose of Hersche's license did first appear on the minutes back in August of 2023 and again, in October of 2023, so it has been minutes of when it has been discussed at our meeting. Just with the antisocial behaviour, just the very nature of the Garden Party, we have not had any antisocial behaviour issues whilst an event has been ongoing. Like a lot of open spaces, ASB doesn't can happen but certainly it's not happening at that time or event. Just to clarify as well, last year the Garden Party was not a coronation event, it was just the Royalton Garden Party that didn't hold as a coronation event at all. When we actually submitted our application for Kennedy's license, in order to comply with the requirements, we did use an on-touch link, we were informed that it was widely delivered in Wollaston and we do know from many residents that we were Wollaston and AD were similar and we also were aware that the on-touch link is used quite regularly for licensing notices. We did actually believe that using on-touch link was a way of increasing exposure to that notice because it's a pre-occupation and that ends up by a copy of the on-knife. And just with regards to frequency, I mean, we've mentioned it already today, but the eight, none of the eight, figure that's quote on the application is not the event, it's the occasion of occurrences of licenseable activities and I do appreciate how it's been perceived as the innate event but just to really reiterate, absolutely no intentions for eight events, and we've already made that proposal to reduce to the two two on the front and the live music [INAUDIBLE] we've already proposed to reduce the licenseable hours and we're very, very happy to hear the committee's recommendation if you feel that that number should be amended in the area. Okay, that. Okay. Members of the subcommittee, do you wish to ask any questions of the people objecting, the objectors? Yes, okay. I didn't fully understand the last point you were making about the eight licenseable activities. Could you just explain again please, sorry. Is this the objectors? This is the objectors, oh, the objectors, sorry. Questions to the objectors. Questions to the objectors. It was in the response to the objectors that I was not understanding what the response was clarifying. Eight events quoted in the occasion of licenseable activities. And then there was an explanation of the difference between the activities that could be licenseable. I think that's what it was. Okay, what is that from? I think it was this. So the application must originally state, that would be more certain. So this is where it did state the numbers of, the numbers of occasions each of the licenseable activities, and I believe it's those numbers that have been added together to get the eight and that's where the eight events have come from. But what we're wanting to reiterate is that there's absolutely no plans for eight individual separate events. As already mentioned, we have plans for one event at the moment, and we're just seeking this license to give us scope for and explore the different events in the future. Just interesting as well, and say for example, at the moment, this application is to assist in delivering our trial and test of that information to the family party. If we in the future were to decide to host a film showing, then the planning and the consultation, all of that process would start there. We haven't consulted on film showing yet before we actually started. So that's nice of you and that's where we're at. Thank you. Okay, have we got any questions for the objectors? Do you have a question for the character there? Well, I just wanted to make the comment that that was the applicant's agent, not the objector. The question is the guest, but he said he was switching them out. Okay. No, I don't get it. Have you got any questions for the objectors? I'll have a go at that, thank you. So, your objectors, would you like to make your closing address and sum up your objections for us to this application? Anything further you'd like to say? On the issue of parking, Carol Elsley actually witnessed personally the chaos that ensued at the end of Wounded Room. So to say that it wasn't contradicts the evidence. And again, our objections are to the application for eight events. As we've seen, the events have been reduced by 50%, and Mrs Elsley's references to the garden party. That, I think, is a little bit of a misrepresentation to what these events allow, should the licence be granted. We're talking something which is going on till 10 o'clock, live music, alcohol, and possibly the crowd of 2,000 people. Just because the live music finishes at 10 here at night, it doesn't mean that the disruption won't end there. You've got to get rid of 2,000 people and you've got to break down the electrical equipment, I would imagine. You'd like to leave that out overnight. Again, we don't think that this venue is an appropriate venue. It doesn't have a facility. It can cause too much disruption to local residents. I'm probably in the wrong place for asking this question. Would you mind? I'm just wondering, there have been events, haven't there, previously, on the 10s? So have we received any objections to any of those, or complaints of the times? I don't know about you. No, there's no objection, no complaints from 2,000 people, no complaints from the two temporary vent notices I mentioned, the 2023 and the 2022. One prior to that was 2023 and through the consultation period of the temporary vent notices, two relevant deparities, there was no objection to them. Thank you. Sorry about that. OK, works and relationship are coordinated as the applicant. Do you want to briefly summarize the application and comment on any objections any further and any suggested conditions? So just in regards to the government party that will take place in July, the finishing time for that event is 7pm. That's when that event will finish. We would anticipate being fully broken down and departed by by 9pm. Our break-in should be taken within a couple of hours. As Paul already mentioned, I think that is potentially, I think the number that we put into this application has unfortunately added, has presented it differently to what it is, and that's why we made that proposal to reduce the number of events and also to reduce the licence of all hours as well. OK? Go on, please. Thank you, Madam Chairman. Just a small point. References Mr Soles was making is to the government party. I don't believe that's the issue at hand. The issue is the application for premises licence for any events at hand. Thank you. OK. OK, so that brings us to the end of the hearing and I'd like to thank you for attending us today and we'll now adjourn and we'll give you a rest on within five days. OK? Thank you for attending. Thank you. (APPLAUSE) (APPLAUSE) (APPLAUSE) (APPLAUSE) (sighs) [BLANK_AUDIO]