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Ok Chair, thank you. Thank you. Good evening to those attending the meeting and for anyone watching virtually. I'm Councillor Anthony McEwen, I'm Chair of the Climate Change Working Group. Thank you for attending this evening's meeting. I'd like to inform everyone present the meeting will be broadcast live to the internet via the Council's website and will be capable of repeat viewings. The images and sound recordings may also be used for training purposes within the Council. In order to ensure that the meeting is managed efficiently and effectively can everyone please keep to the following guidelines for speaking. Councillors should use the raise your hand function to request to speak and only speak when invited to do so by the Chair. Please switch off your camera and microphone whilst not speaking and remember to set your mobile phone to silent for the duration of the meeting. Any views expressed by any speaker in the meeting are the speaker's own and they do not necessarily affect the view of the Council. Please and Councillors be aware that the webcast will continue to be streamed live 20 seconds after the close of the meeting. This is due to a time delay in transmitting live. I'll now confirm the names of the remaining members of the working group. That's Councillor Pauline Bell, Angela Benham, Jenny Benzer, Joanne Collins, Joanna Collins, Dom Elliott-Starky, Simon Evans, Linda Grooby, Madeleine Hall, Ian Huddleston, Peter Inman, Pam Reddy, Jill Scott and Jean Todd. We'll now move to the agenda starting with agenda item two apologies for absence. I've been notified of apologies from Councillors Bell, Grooby and Reddy and Councillor Barrow will sub for Councillor Bell. Are there any other apologies? Nope we shall move on again then to declarations of interest. Are there any disclosable pecuniary interests or any other interests on the matters before us this evening? Move them then to the minutes. Previous meeting just in terms of accuracy is there anything on page three and page four. We did pick up one bit on page three. Councillor Barrow was in attendance at the previous meeting and substituted for Councillor Scott. Any other issues with the minutes are we okay that they reflect our last gathering? I'll be with those chair. Okay thank you very much. I'm just going to tweak the agenda ever so slightly. We'll now move to agenda item six which is an update from Transition Buxton around the repair cafe that they have and Jean Beale who's the chair of Transition Buxton I'm hopeful I've got that right is here to talk to us. Jean. Hello yes I am from Transition Buxton. I am not the chair I was we all take two-year turns. The current chair is Ian Bounds but I'm very much one of the active members of the organisation. I have prepared some slides because I've got some stats to share with you. May I share my screen? I can find how to do it in Teams because I usually use other systems. Oh I'm not seeing quite how to do that I thought it would be easy. Share. Oh here we go hey share my screen. You're on mute Anthony. Yep sorry good point. Okay so I'm going to call up my slides and can you see those slides? Are you able to see this? Oh good yes. I can't see you now so I'm just going to chatter away if I start going on too long because I can talk for England. Just give me a noise to make me slow down and stop. So first of all thank you for the invitation. We at Transition Buxton are very keen to work in partnership with anybody and everybody to tackle a problem on a planetary scale. We all have to do everything we possibly can and that means collaborating and working together. Just to establish who we are Transition Buxton was set up in 2009. We are now one of 350 roughly groups across the UK and given the topic of this evening's meeting the sentence highlighted in bold you know we aim to reduce or eliminate waste the use of fossil fuels and minimize the use of plastics. So you know we're certainly on topic as an organization. The transition way is to connect head and hands through heart. You know we all understand the science and we all feel passionate about a lot of things that it's through doing and our hands that we get results and I'm going to just cover briefly some of the items listed on your screen at the moment. So the first and main one that I was asked to talk about is our monthly repair cafe. It's been running since September 2009. We have 10 sessions a year because we don't do one at Christmas and we don't do one in July because of the festivals. We had we had two stops and starts because of pandemic so so far we've had 35 sessions. We repair anything that we can that comes into us, electrical, electronic, mechanical, textile, ceramic, all sorts. We get toys, we get treasures, we get amazing items. Lots of things with plugs on the end. The majority of the items we get are small electrical appliances. So far in those 35 sessions we've processed 1,085 items of which 650 have been repaired. We see an average of 31 items per session and we have a 60% success rate. One of the reasons for that fairly low success rate is that a significant proportion of electrical appliances are designed not to be repaired. It's either not possible to get at the innards or not possible to get replacement parts etc. It's a profit making methodology that has been used for the last 50 years but it's time in our opinion to change that. Those 650 items repaired have we reckon saved 21.4 tonnes of CO2. That's the equivalent of 88,810 miles driven in a petrol car. The little chart on the right is what we did just in the year of 2023 and you can see that quite a lot of things either have to come back with a spare part or we simply can't repair them. It's usually because they've been designed not to be repaired. We have been signatories to the repair and reuse declaration in 2023 which we did ask Robert Logan and we were all asked to get our MPs to sign it and he did not. We also circulated an international petition for the right to repair in 2021. Our experience in the repair cafe tells us that there is a need for a regulatory reform to eliminate designed in obsolescence. There is considerably more overt progress in the EU than the UK around that but our manufacturers will have to conform to those EU rules anyway but it would be really nice to see them coming in here in the UK as well. We believe in putting people before planet. So some of our other activities we run the hard to recycle scheme which is through TerraCycle and we've been running that for quite a while. This chart shows you the weight of the stuff that we've processed in the last year or to date. Now 550kg of crisp packets is a lot of crisp packets. I'm almost more worried about the diets of the people of Buxton than I am the environment on this one but I don't know how many crisp packets that represents but it's a hell of a lot. The plastic cages in the supermarkets are being well used and sometimes they'll cause some confusion. We get some of their stuff in ours and vice versa but we have a good relationship going and they get swapped back and forth. We also have on our website a hard to recycle in Buxton document that people can download and print off or just refer to. Now that's the two-sided A4 document. It shouldn't be that complicated. There is a lot of things that you have to be really determined to recycle as much as it's possible to recycle in Buxton. The library of things was launched in January of this year. We now have 87 items and 123 members of the library. It's so that people can borrow useful stuff that you don't need to own. Some of our most popular items are the carpet shampooer, the jet washers. We're getting a lot of activity around the gardening tools at the moment. The strimmer is out, that sort of thing. A long list of stuff including an urn and mugs and things if you're having a party and people have really embraced it and we're pleased. We have more capacity to loan out more stuff so do please help spread the word. We are grateful to the County Council for hosting us at the library at Heath Park. We're run by volunteers and that helps us have our pay as you feel pricing policy. We suggest prices but if somebody finds that difficult we will accept what they feel they can afford. We're not doing it to make money as long as we cover our minimal costs we're perfectly happy. It's there to empower and enable people to not have to buy stuff, store stuff, maintain stuff. It's the kind of thing you use to borrow from your neighbour but nowadays we have a bit more of a formal system for it. Almost last but not least, as you are probably aware some of you Councillors attended our certificate moment earlier towards the end of last year I think it was when we received our certificate from the Surfers Against Sewage as a plastic free community. What we've achieved is I think it's the bronze level and we're now aiming for silver. It might be silver and we're going for gilt I'm not on that committee and that entailed us getting 18 businesses, 24 community organisations, six schools, the College and the Council all signed up to eliminating single-use plastic from their operations and to tell people why and what they're doing and why because it's also it's not just about eliminating the plastic it's about making people more aware of the use of plastic and indeed the misuse of plastic. It's a wonderful material and we shouldn't be throwing it away. We also have the Buxton Cup which is to reduce litter and wastage at events like carnival. We run workshops and the repair cafe is very keen on sharing skills. If you bring something into the repair cafe it's worth you knowing. You stay with your item and the repairer talks through what they're doing and encourages you to take an active part in the repair so we're passing on skills or trying to and it's wonderful sometimes we get kids in and they stay for three hours rather than their parents are really quite keen to leave now because they love getting hands-on with a screwdriver. We organise all sorts of things, seminars, films, swish and swap events and we have got a lot of education and youth outreach going on which we're really proud of. We offer free home energy audits although there are others doing it better than us now we have to admit but we're still there willing to do it. We have a dispersed community orchard of over 112 trees I think it is now and we love working in partnership we think it's the only way forward. So our communications channels are bi-monthly e-newsletters, our Facebook page and group and of course our website and email and I put those up there because we want to work in partnership with you all because we can achieve so much more together so if you have information that you want us to share in the community we're happy to do that and vis-a-versa we hope that you'll help to promote the library of things repair cafe etc. Okay I'm going to try to come out of this screen sharing now see how we go. I'm back. Thanks Jean that's a great round up of a wonderful range of initiatives and not just the repair cafe but a whole host. More are we any comments or questions please for Jean? I've got Jean and then Gillian. Yes sorry yes thanks thanks Jean for that I perhaps should have declared that at the beginning that I've been a member of Transition Buxton since 2010 as well. I just wanted to correct you on one thing Jean I think the repair cafe started in 2019. Oh you're right yes I even read my own typo. It's six o'clock in the evening I'm fading fast. Thank you for correcting me. Just checking the minutes of the plastic committee thing which I am a member of but they've got a meeting this evening so I don't think I'll get to it. It's the champions are being urged to become silver champions it said. That's my understanding as I say I don't work in that group because I do so many other things transition that's one bit I don't get all that directly involved in but I know we have achieved tier one and we to achieve tier two we not only need to get more businesses and organisations signing up as champions but the existing champions to up their game too you know it's anything you're turning up the spiral everybody has to do a little bit more and we want more people to join the champions programme. Yes I don't think I've got any questions perhaps other people have thanks. Thanks Jean. Gillian. Hi Jean. Great presentation and also it's really good that we've brought a bit Hayfield and New Mills to work with you in Transition Buxton which is good. This is more a question for Anthony I think really. Have we as a council signed up to the repair and reuse declaration? I'm not aware of that particular one. I don't know if Gillian or Jean can advise or David? I don't think so. When there was a campaign around it and I'm sure it's what I suspect one can still sign up to it we were specifically asked to approach our MPs you know also all the groups who run repair cafes around the country you know sent a message to their MP please would you sign up to this. We got a negative reply from Mr Logan. We weren't asked to approach our local authorities so frankly we we haven't but I could certainly send it through and you could take a look at it you can at least read it. It's only like a four page it's not long you know it's a it's a declaration not a a treaties. Yeah okay great thank you. It would take Gillian next and then we'll go to Johanna. I don't think so to answer that question however we did look at having a single-use plastic policy for the council operations but we don't really use any so there wasn't a lot of scope however we I have had on my to-do list for a very long time and everybody's fed up with me talking about it but I'm determined to get it done. We're going to get a license for refill and so that promotion we're back with you're going for silver should be beautifully aligned and help each other. A license for refill I haven't heard of that before. Yeah so it's a license for the platform the website. Okay so from that we'll get lots of marketing tools and and things that we can use like with our environmental health officers can have a tool kit to advise businesses etc etc so we'll try and tie that all together Jean. Yeah yeah you know I mean when a climate emergency was declared in High Peak however many years ago that was six maybe you know we all knew to achieve the necessary we would have to work in partnership across the peace business civic society you know the not-for-profit and the local government and so I'm pleased to have been invited this evening and hope that this is the beginning of more to come you know let's let's work together. Okay thanks Joanna then Madeleine. Sorry yeah I think it'd be good to sort of well we're having an update now but if these things happen I think it's really important that this committee knows I mean some of some that would have happened probably before the committee was formed. We've been going 15 years so yeah but it would be good to know what the council's doing. Agree we don't use very much single-use plastic but yeah to have as part of general updates stuff on waste as well as well as the annual AES thing. There was there was I can't remember if it was a protocol or a motion but there was a working group a little while ago on single-use plastics etc which was agreed through the process partly yeah it was a couple of years ago yeah recommendations but I don't know that a lot's been done and that is partly because the government said it was going to do all sorts of lovely stuff about waste management and never did any of it. We can have another look at it to see what happened with it because it was done if I remember right it was done during the days when Councillor Haykin yes it was started when Councillor Haykin was the exec member at least so we're going back at least four five years if not more yeah the world's moved on a little since then yeah. Okay thanks Joanna, Madeleine. Thanks very much my question Jean is about the library of things probably the most recent of the initiatives. Looking at the website it seems that the inventory might not be available for public view it might just be that I've not looked closely enough what you've got on there is terms of borrowing and an invite to ask questions but you can't see what those 87 items actually are I just wonder if it's worth looking at doing that because I would think that you'd attract more members you can see them it is all on there and I'm you know I could possibly send a link because I have been through the website I just can't find it. Well it is on there and lots of other people are managing to find it and I'm honestly surprised that you are having that difficulty Madeleine you're a very you're a savvy lady. I'll probably scroll past it just as it's a different website Madeleine. It's not the Transition Buxton website it has its own website it's an interactive one okay that's where the click there is so I'll happily send that through there's a couple of little things here. If I've tripped up it's not that I'm necessarily terribly tech savvy but other people might as well I just think if it's just a trifle easier to get in. Yes it is it is quite easy and you frankly I think you've just been looking at the wrong website so it is a library of things website we've bought into the software that is used by lots of repair cafes around the country and you know there's a picture of every item detailed description of every item and links to videos of how to use them and all sorts so it is quite an elaborate website and transactional platform. Okay thanks very much. No worries no worries. Just for information for folks David has shared the link to it in the chat. Brilliant thank you. So it looks like Jean Todd's still got her hand up. Go on Jean. I was just going to mention that it was me that brought the plastic policy motion and there's a lot of it that we have done and part of it is linked to transition books to the surface against sewage because it's and it's incorporated it says incorporate the reduction of single-use plastic into the council's waste strategy, improve our recycling performance etc. Water installation of water fountains across the high peak well I suppose that hasn't really happened I believe there was one put in in gloss at once. There's one been put in in the community school here in Buxton and that was a student initiative as a result of one of the student conferences they worked out they were getting through some phenomenal number of plastic bottles per year in the school and so the students actually fundraised got the money to have a fountain put in in Buxton community school and get rid of at least some of the vending machines and plastic bottles. And it was sort of work with encouraging public local businesses and partners. I mean the transition books and surfers against sewage certificate is that was actually it needed a council representative which is why I'm a part of that committee in order to get the certification so that that's sort of part of this that the policy against single-use plastic as well. Thank you for that Jean and thank you for your support and getting us this far. Okay thanks Jean. Joanna. I think it would be quite good to sort of reconvene the committee or the working group for a short time to maybe push some of these things forward because there are some huge barriers. I hope parish council wants to put in a drinking fountain but they have to pay Southern Trent for the connection which isn't cheap. So they're things you know which perhaps we can try and get community groups to do without and actually I'm going to ask a question about this later but without involving Gillian too much of the teams who have already got quite enough to do which perhaps a committee could try and push forward a bit. Yeah I think that's I think that's fine I think yeah it's a few years now since since we had the working group. It'll be for those of you that are members of community select to suggest it when that meets later on this month to see if they want it as one of their working groups but we can try and add that into the list and see where it comes next. I can't see any further hands so Jean if I can thank you for your presentation this evening you're quite welcome to stay but you can escape if you want to. I'll hang on for a little while but I will disappear when my stomach starts to grow. You could just stop stop your screen sharing. Yep ooh sorry about that. Yeah done. Great stuff okay thanks. I'll slip into the background now. Thanks Jean okay we shall move on then to gender item or move back to gender item five which is AES talking to us about waste initiatives and I'm presuming that's Jason and Marissa. Hi everyone yes it is I'll see if I can share my screen. Thanks Jean for yours. We haven't done one of these in our roles actually before so I'm hoping I can just share my screen. I've got a document that kind of shows off the stuff we've done in the previous financial year because we sent it with the board report but just to give you a little bit of background me and Marissa came into these roles a year and a half ago now so I'm the engagement officer for Alliance Environmental Services and Marissa is a communications officer. Can everyone see the screen is that please? Yep yep. Is that okay? Yes thank you. Yeah so for those who obviously don't know as well obviously Alliance Environmental Services do the contract for the waste collections for High Peak and Staffordshire Islands but also we do the street cleansing and the parks teams as well. So we offer the contract obviously for those who don't know we're part owned by both the councils in the Alliance and also part owned by Cheshire East Company which is called ANSA Environmental Services so there's a lot of people involved in the running of the company and obviously our work is shared between Staffordshire Islands as well so we'll be doing a similar meeting I think next week to share what we've been doing across the borough and the district but this document we put together for the board report just to show off what we've been doing since we've come into it in these roles and really it one of the first things we had to do was kind of rejig what we were doing with in terms of the literature but also the big issue of contamination. Quite recently the councils have changed disposal contracts so we run now with the High Peak we run with Biffa who take our recycling and over at Staffordshire Islands it's H.W. Martins they do it and one of the things that was came across quite quickly was the contamination rate for recycling jumped up to somewhere near 20% of the recycling which is too high really for the public obviously because we get charged because the disposal of the recycling isn't recyclable so we had to come up with a plan to see how we can tackle the contamination issue. One of the things is producing new leaflets that were clearer in the things we do want and don't want so we send these out with letters about contamination as well we take them to events and we've got a big banner now that says right stuff right bin to make it a little bit clearer but this first document is just a document the engagement numbers on the both sides there and that includes events like community events like well dressing that we went to in Endon last week and then this week we went to the Rotary Club which is really successful public engagement at the Octagon in Buxton which is really well attended and we gave out lots of compostable bags and rice scoops to encourage or discourage food waste and that just lists there some of the other promotional items we have an activity booklet for primary school aged children which we also give out skills but just to go back to contamination this is an example of one of the tags that we designed to make it clearer when it comes to the crews logging contaminations on people's bins it used to be like a little yellow sticker and then the crew had to write on it what was unacceptable so the bin wasn't emptied and then you'd write down so we worked we looked around the country to see what other councils were doing and we saw this tag system that could hang off the back of the bin and some of them use a plastic tag which isn't recyclable so I think we're probably one of the first councils to produce a tag that is recyclable actually so this is a cardboard tag that lasts well in the rain because all it needs to do is to tell the resident that we were unable to enter the bin on this occasion and it might have been one of these things so there's pictures of the items there that might be unacceptable that were in their bin on just a quick inspection by the crew and that gets logged onto the in-cab unit inside the vehicle and then if the resident wants to find out exactly what was in the bin they're able to go to the website pop in their postcode and it will actually tell them what the item was logged as well so they could find out what the item was that was in the bin alongside the new tags we launched the door stopping campaign so we hired some agency staff to knock on doors deliver the leaflet and also conduct a survey this was kind of last September time and that was in both districts as well so we produced a survey that we took responses on a tablet and then there's and this just documents some of the engagements we did in the different quarters and then we've got litter picks with girl guides in Buxton so anything and anything really people can book us for let's say community groups for litter picking we do creative talks or creative activities and PowerPoint talks as well but we've built up a nice kind of like regular kind of return visits now but we can't always visit every school because there's about 109 schools in in total in both council areas so we we have made return visits for those who had us back but we're trying to obviously spread ourselves evenly across across the districts this was the Apple Day last year in Hayfield with the high peak mayor and that was transition Buxton at the Octagon that has been a regular event that we've been going to which is the coincided with the youth what the cop I think we started with 26, 27 not sure we're up to now but and we're back there this year again that year we took a VR virtual headset and that took you into a sourcing centre so we've taken that to schools as well and that we lend from Derbyshire County Council this was a busy time that was one of the activities we do that's a community cleanup across over and leak we generally set up a stand with all our promotional items when we go to those this little one here is from a Buxton school with an assembly talk so obviously get to more kids if you can do the assemblies but we do do individual sessions in classes as well and that's one of our creative activities making clocks so just to finish off we've with the two new contracts that we have we have been given a social fund from Biffa and HW Martin the two contracts and Biffa being a bigger company have given us a bit more money to buy some recycling displays and that's a picture of the ones we've just ordered so there's a bean bag game for sorting the right the right bin we've got a display bin showing a the contents of a rack recycling bin and then this item here is like a little mini sorting centre where you can turn the handle and all the waste goes past and then children will be able to sort out the recycling give them an example when we do go into skills we have lots of videos we show of the actual real sourcing centres as well so it just get the message across that there's actually real people sorting our waste out for us so another reason for not obviously putting the wrong thing in in the bins our parent company over in Cheshire Rees run two projects we're hoping to launch over here which is a junior recycling officer for primary skills where they'll be our kind of little representatives in the school offering advice the rest of the school so we can keep in touch with them and and we hope to pilot that in a couple of schools in the high peak and Staffordshire Mirlins this year and then also which is hoping to launch which with help with partners organisations like transition books and with some waste reduction volunteers as well this would mean we'll be able to take volunteers to community events with us as well and talks and maybe again be a spread our workload around to the councils as well and also continuing stepping up efforts to reduce contamination one of the things we're hopefully doing is putting some Facebook ads so more targeted ads getting out there in terms of talking about unacceptable items that we don't want in the bins sometimes talking to the public it's just sometimes people just hope that it'll be recycled when they think about putting I know either a crisp packet or a toothpaste tube which isn't recyclable but I think these things get dropped in but ultimately we will be charged because they'll be having to go to general waste when it gets sorted so it's just getting that message across to put the right thing in the right bin and then just to finish off with the tag that we're launching we're going to repeat the same one for the organic bin that hasn't been a priority because we don't get refusal of items at the moment with organic so much but the tag is actually cheaper than the sticker so there's no reason why to keep it consistent we'll put the same tag which is tailored for the food and garden bin well so there's some items there that will be on the tag just to say these are unacceptable for the food and garden bin things like plant plastic plant pots that might end up going in the bin with the plants it was a common question at the weekend at the bookstone asking about recycling plant pots unfortunately we can't accept them in any of the recycling bins but you can take them to the tip to the hard plastic section and I think there's one more thing I'm just going to talk about which is just sorry to go on a little bit longer but the one of the things we work with the council is updating the website and that's going through a bit of a refresh at the moment so we want to put more alternatives onto the council website and some of the councils have an A to Z of items that you can find out what to do with them so literally a long list of every item that you might have in your house that potentially could be searchable but if not it would be just this pdf that you could scroll down and find the item and find where to put it so hopefully this will be clearer for people if they're unsure to either search this list the colour code of the bins and we'll have one over on Snafish Mullins with the colours for their bins but on the right hand side here these will be the links for either a better alternative than the bin so things like taking things to the charity shop just get to the titles there at the top there that is even better are alternatives so for example there we've got obviously asbestos and that's got none and then the link to the household recycling centres so that will be in that pdf there and then other things like charity shops that would be the link to search your local charity shops there's TerraCycle alternatives and reuse organisations I think and then other things like plastic bags taking them back to supermarkets for soft plastic recycling as well but yeah we're going through a bit of a refresh on the helping the council with their websites to make it clearer and hopefully give some alternatives and I'll stop sharing and take questions me and Marissa here for questions as well okay thanks for that hey thanks any comments or questions and we'll start off with Simon thank you chair two things is can we have those documents available in an electronic format because there was quite a lot of text on there that was difficult it was yeah I have sent it to I got confused which one which one was coming first in terms of the Staffordshire Willers one I've sent it to the Staffordshire Willers one but not to the High Peak but yeah I'll we'll get them across to everyone for that document because yeah it's brilliant thank you second second second question relates a little bit to the kind of some of the queries I've had from constituents around issues of things being in the wrong bin and it isn't always necessarily the the householders that are putting them in so I often see people for example I I live on the same street as New Mills school and I quite often see at school emptying out time kids will chuck their rubbish in the bin because that's the thing that they've been told to do but they're not necessarily give any care as to which item goes into which bin and sometimes householders feel they're being kind of penalised by things that they didn't even know they were in their bins no I mean kind of question let me just finish my question is there a kind of a is there a kind of a what's the system is there a kind of a you know is there a bit of leniency is there a way that something can easily be fished out and put it in another bin and all that's time consuming but it's it's one that's caused a bit of a bit of bad feeling if you like amongst people that I've spoken to thank you yes yeah to jump in there Jay sorry yeah no go on yeah yeah so basically with the contamination procedure for Happy Borough Council it's obviously if the crews find the contaminant in the bin they'll report it on Bartet that then obviously generates them putting the tag on and then we would unfortunately be unable to come back until the next collection the resident will be expected to remove that I understand obviously it's not always their fault and there is leniency obviously if they contacted and explained that but we can't do that as standard when we're getting say 40 50 60 contaminations like a day on one round or like through all the rounds so what happens is if it happens again it's then triggered a letter and I would print the letter out and send that and we encourage the residents to contact us if they do think that it isn't their bin or if there is an issue and it isn't that like therefore like you were saying if you were living near a school then it's it's going to happen children will put things in the bin and it's not going to necessarily be the right one upon that we would judge it case by case so for example if someone contacted me and say oh I've been reported for the contamination and like you say with that scenario it's kids putting it in after school when I put my bins out or in the morning on the way to school obviously case by case we would take that and be like oh well that's understandable we can remove they wouldn't be penalized for that we would remove that contamination upon their contact obviously we can't do that without them contacting but we wouldn't know otherwise so it is all dealt with case by case the last resort we don't want to take anyone's bin away because that's what happens after the third contamination but they are still given the chance to contact us and we we will go around and talk to them we will have conversations with them see why they're struggling if there's anything we can do to help like we don't want to take anyone's bin away for like for the contamination issue it is more for the bins that are maybe like abandoned or it's just people that don't necessarily want to recycle and obviously then it risks up the contaminated load so there is always obviously that case by case um like individual like we look at them individually and we would never want to kind of penalize someone who is trying and it's just obviously out of their control or honest mistake okay simon do you want to come back um yeah i it's it's it's a difficult one i probably need to give it a little bit more thought because i don't think it's there i can understand both sides of the argument really and um it's it's it's one that i think it's an imperfect solution but i don't know the perfect solution and that's probably where where we have to go with the imperfect solution unfortunately but yeah i think there's probably a better way of of working it and um but it's it's probably beyond my thought at the moment but thank you thank you thank you no just just to sorry simon yeah just to say just to pick up there it is we are open to suggestions with this as well so it's not set in stone with these things and we have found because we've kind of educated the crews um some of the crews might not have been doing this as well as other crews and then some some what's happened some have got a bit more eager than other crews so sometimes we have to kind of re-educate them say maybe you're coming down a bit too hard you know so it's kind of a balancing act but it's getting that message across whoever watches this as well it's just maybe we need to be more explicit about the procedure and it's not to say that first you know it's supposed to be three strikes in your route but there is some leeway it's it's not set in stone and all you need to do is get in touch like anything where you've been maybe highlighted some it just drop us an email and it we can resolve it it quite quickly so it's just getting across the residents they say don't worry too much about if it wasn't your fault just explain the situation and we're happy to you know compromise and you know and talk to you and cancel if it's been uh because the crew get it wrong as well the crew can log the wrong bin and we have to cancel those off so it's um yeah it's because people do worry when their bin doesn't get emptied okay thank you very much thanks thanks Simon. Jason or Marissa is there anything that we could look at in terms of sort of a session at the school if it's coming up as a particular hot spot around the school could we look at a special session specifically on that either saying yeah if you yeah it's great you're sticking the stuff in the bin but can you just make sure you stick it in the right one if it's a household bin or something like that like if we visit a school it's probably quite a good idea to maybe put that into our kind of part of the education we with the power points and things bring that up as a topic within the school and say like obviously on the way to and from school if you are well take to basically take the litter home with you don't drop it put it in your pocket and dispose of it at home great stuff okay thank you for that that's a great idea but it's also on the set valley trailer is my mind's the first kind of bin on there as well so it gets used by lots of people so it's it's not I'm not purely blaming the school children in case uh Councillor Inman's on the call was the uh one of the uh it's it that would be that would be most useful thank you thanks okay uh Councillor Scott next please yes chair um thank you for then a question so thank you sort of leads into a question um we asked for some red textile recycling bags at um we've got this mini recycling centre at St John's church in Hayfield and uh Anthony Morris from AES and Marissa have been working really well with us to kind of get that going so thank you for that I mean it's in early it's early stages but I think it's working really well but on the back of that more people have been asking why can we not have red textile recycling bags um and I think it's something to do with the particular trucks but could you just explain that a bit more and then also would it be possible for us maybe to have another site in Hayfield where these were picked up so um kind of like what why is it a problem for for the trucks to collect them and also can we have more please but thanks it's great what you've done so sorry Julian so in terms of the red textile bags what it is with the reference to the truck is the trucks have some have them some don't um they used to have like a cage on the side of the vehicle under the body of the vehicle right between like the front wheels and the back wheels and it'd be like a cage that would be would then put the textile bags in I mean don't get me wrong they're not massive I would say like a large microwave kind of sized so they used to be used for the small electricals that we used to collect with the um recycling which is now done as a separate collection with the large electricals and they put the textile bags in so what was the case is that they'd get full and then they wouldn't be able to pick any more up so when we used to have them on the wagons it was kind of still like a bit of a like depending on how many bags there would sometimes some be left and then through new vehicles they've then not been on the vehicles from from my um knowledge and so what we do now is the crews will report a textile bag and then a supervisor gets a job and they will then go and pick it up but it might not necessarily be on the day of brown bin day so it would then be like say a couple of days later depending on the supervisors um jobs and like availability at that time so I do agree it's quite a kind of long-winded process you can still order textile bags from the council website so they are still available for people to order but it is maybe something we can look at in the kind of process of getting them collected if there was like a more streamlined way because like you say it could be I can see if it could I could see it being frustrating obviously for resident pointing out with the brown bin and then it not going yeah yeah it seems to be I think it's going to work okay through the church though um you know because we've got the contact there so fingers crossed that that works all right yeah thank you okay thanks Gillian uh Charlotte thanks thank you very much um I just um I might have missed this but what happens if um they're you know three strikes and they're out what happens to the rubbish then because we've got a bit of a problem down our road with bins that never get the right stuff never ever goes in them um and and a lot of it doesn't even go in the bin um and I just wonder what's going to happen you need to send an email and we'll get we'll get on it um yeah I would if the if the crew I've the crew do need to log it and they don't always log the bins obviously because they obviously if they haven't if they've missed the bin and said it's you know identified it because that's the other aspect of it if it's not been identified to a property they need to log it against the property but to be fair a lot of this looks like flighting sort of that they just leave around but but I think my main concern is that if they if they don't get their bin collection if they miss it you know what's going to happen it's just going to pile up even more well the yeah so in terms of it's not being emptied what we can offer we can offer a clearance on a on a general waste round that that's another option if they get in touch so we can clear contaminated bins that way but we should be removing it so it's if if that bin of those bins have been identified if you know them you could just send a contact form to us or just email someone over at AES and say these bins have been identified I don't know if they've been logged correctly if they've been identified or it's just been missed and we can either remove them see if we can log find the paper trail in terms of them being logged and just just investigate every one of these gets investigated whether it's bins on streets we need to send someone out there to check on them and then remove them if there's if they're still out there within a after a week we remove bins all the time so we have a delivery crew that's delivering bins but also bringing these kind of bins in but you know some of them get are going to get missed so if you've highlighted one like that I would drop it up drop us a line if it's not been sorry I'm probably not explicit but what will happen when when they get their letter and they still ignore their letter and they don't get their bin collection I must have missed what happens then so the stages so if they've been if their bin has been tagged three times then they've obviously not they've not taken out the contaminant so they get told if you remove the contaminant that's wrong in the bin we'll empty the bin on the next recycling round so they'll have to obviously put that if they can't rectify it and it's being logged as contaminant we'll have to remove the bin and then they'll have to get in touch and either buy another bin it's supposed to be six months as well you're supposed to lose your bin for six months is the kind of strict rules but we should be bringing those bins after they've been logged for three times if the and then they will just lose that recycling bin to their waste that's what I'm trying well we don't well we don't find that there's only yeah so they've not said they lose the right so they won't have a recycling bin so they'll only have they'll only have the general waste bin as as the as their only source of Anthony could I could I just jump in there um Charlotte what what you could do in that situation is you could serve a computer community protection notice so you could require them to use the bin properly and if the bin's taken away you could then require them to do whatever we would want them to do with that waste whether that is to put it into bags whether it's to put it in the right bin or whatever so I think you there are options after taking the bin away because I appreciate where you're coming from because if you take the bin away potentially you're going to make it worse so I think what you would do is go down that route which again has got fixed penalty notices enforcement except your options down there yeah we haven't got no we don't have the enforcement yeah sorry about that my daughter just made in the kitchen so I had to mute myself then but yeah so again just to reiterate thank you removing the bin as well is obviously the last last resort we we don't want to be doing that it only is if there is more of like a disregard for the recycling and like it's forced into that without any contact obviously they've got the three stages of contact to to get in touch if they obviously do need the help with understanding what's going what's going wrong with their bin okay thanks very much okay thanks shallot Jennifer hi yeah sorry to go back to red bags but I think maybe so much material probably does go into landfill so I think they're probably it's probably a really good thing but so just to clarify can individual residents request red bags but would you prefer us to do what Jill has done and do it through an organization so that the collection is a is a bigger one and less frequently and and if so could I do that in new mills then perhaps although it does occur to me that some of the charity shops collect rags so perhaps I would talk to the charity shops first so I'm just kind of wandering along those lines and I'd be interested in your thoughts thank you yeah individually yeah people can log a textile bag and we will either post it out so you've got the red textile bag and then put it out with your recycling as Marissa said you'll be able to then put it out with your recycling but it's it's not well by all means it's kind of a it's not a perfect solution at the moment we offer it as a service but I do think personally it's not great for sending out one vehicle to pick up one bag so it's so if any if you if you could copy here feels initiative it would be better for us and for the planet setting up individual vehicles but it is the service that we offer as the contract that will come and collect each and every textile bag that gets logged by the crew but we'll have to come back because the space and these new vehicles that are narrower but yeah anyone can order a textile bag at the moment but it does need looking at okay thank you in that case I probably wouldn't promote it perhaps but I but it does make me think maybe I should it would be a good thing to get in touch with charity shops and perhaps promote that instead as a way to yeah rags yeah like say the charity bags that come round through your door that you know they're better aren't they because they're all they're out there doing it on one day aren't they and maybe we should look at that maybe do like a choose a day that we all go out and collect the textile back and set a day like they would do with the charity bags maybe that's something we should yeah and choose a day one it once a month or so maybe if it's possible and then we'd collect we'd collect a lot more I think because it's it's not a great system so we're not collecting very much either yeah and people probably bring you back in after the day and not realise we're going to come back for it as well yeah with fast fashion their clothes often you know are over very quickly so it would be useful yeah thank you thanks yes thanks jennifer jean at gene tod if you can flag this as something to be considered for the commissioning board that's coming up looking at climate change issues in a couple of weeks and see if we can get a get a more permanent or better solution flagged in terms of the the red bags yeah well i think yeah i think a monthly collection would be a good thing a sort of one-off thing to be honest i mean i i keep mentioning this when i used to live in germany they used to have a monthly um thing where you you put your big household items outside and anyone could come along and just take them if they wanted them and and the um the local council will be picking them up after a certain length of time okay thanks jean uh kath um yeah i think this red bag thing has been dragging on for years hasn't it i've never seen a red bag yet and i've been on the council i don't know how many years now um so i think we either ought to promote it and make a go of it or just tell people uh no please take it to the charity shop yeah or or if they're not good enough for a charity shop um an animal sanctuary something like that thanks kath we have there is a commissioning board scheduled for in a couple of weeks which is looking at a range of climate change issues so i think we probably should be able to add this one to the agenda and sort of see if we can come up with a better solution for it because yeah it has sort of rumbled on a bit and there's been a variety of different approaches uh given some of the vehicles that we're using so uh we'll see what we can do to pick it up okay i can't see any further hands up uh so we can thank marissa and jason and you're free to escape thank you we'll we'll hang around but i'll turn my camera off now my mic no break thank you okay we shall move we shall move on then to generator item seven uh which is uk shared prosperity fund n-e-g engagement jillian um you've missed off katie nature declaration but i'm happy to go before her i just don't want her feeling that you've ignored her uh she's further down the agenda i do apologize i must be looking at an old one um yeah so the um so this is just very briefly we've put in uh and an ied for this to be approved so it's not actually finalized yet but i just wanted to let you know what we're planning to do with shared prosperity so this is the strand for energy saving linking to cost of living um and so what we're going to do with the funding is that the capital is going to be going to social housing to try and get a hundred percent of a social housing with uh local local low energy lighting so there will be um either self-installed or for people that are a bit more immobile or whatever they will have norse will be installing them on our behalf and this will be tied up with a massive engagement program which will be running with march the energy agency they already do everybody's talking about climate change work and they also do all their energy engagement work some of you will have seen their vehicle at your events so we'll be doing a lot more events um we'll also be able to ask them to come to your surgeries or any events other events that you have if you just let them know and they'll be able to give energy advice and then link people to whatever funding is suitable or if it's not it might not be because if it's a social house they can still do an energy visit and do small measures like draft proofing and things you know the sort of diy kind of stuff um so that there's going to be a big program around that um where we're hoping to reach um probably up to up to a thousand people overall um through different strands and then the third element which i think is quite exciting actually is there's a part of the um the outputs is to fund three community groups to do energy measures so we're going we're trying to work with um high peak um cvs um similar to the climate change fund that we have already except this will be a one-off opportunity for three community groups to get five thousand pounds to either um do energy measures to a community building so a scout hut or something like that um or it could be to set up an energy saving advice scheme like hayfield have had and boxes i've had gene um all mentioned one earlier that boxing had done boxing rotary give out packs you know so there's there's sort of those two kind of options within that so um once we're past elections and things we're hoping to get that um advertised and out and then we'll set up a panel probably from amongst this group to look at those applications um and that's about it on that okay thanks jillian any comments or questions please i can't see any hands up uh just for information the i.e d the individual exact decision that jillian mentioned that should be out in the next couple of days okay in that case we shall move on again uh to generate a mate which is the nature declaration and next steps thank you sorry thank you um i'll just share my screen so i'll put the declaration upon this screen okay so um i'm the council's biodiversity officer um responsible for delivering on the plan for nature amongst other things and so over the last few months we've been developing a nature recovery declaration with the wildlife trust um and this was approved subject to amendments back in april and was also run past the um previous climate change working group meeting for comments the declaration is now being updated and finalized to incorporate these amendments and also um comments that were received after it was presented and the final version was published on the 31st of may with an accompanying press release the main purpose of the declaration kind of similar to the climate change declaration back in 2019 is to acknowledge the fact that we are facing a nature crisis and to also identify the steps that the council can take in response to this and so why is it needed there's been a serious decline in nature and biodiversity since the 1970s and the uk now ranks as one of the most um nature depleted countries on earth which i think you'll agree is is quite a shocking fact so there's a thing called the um biodiversity intactness index from the national history museum and that actually ranks the uk in the bottom 10 globally for biodiversity um and the recent state of nature report so this is kind of a reputed partnership which reports on nature and biodiversity data and that report found that the abundance of wildlife and species in the uk was decreasing so across the uk about on average there's been a decline in species and since 1970 about 19 percent which is a really big decrease in in a relatively short space of time and nearly one in six species in great britain are now threatened with extinction so there really is a requirement to acknowledge you know the fact that we are in a bit of a nature crisis and it's pretty critical um for everyone to sort of take action on this now so to address this nature crisis um the council's acknowledging these principles from something called the lawton report which is essentially bigger better more and joined up in relation to kind of habitats and natural spaces now many areas of the council's work do have an impact on nature and so we do have a duty to conserve and protect it the nature declaration which we'll be able to share with the minutes after the meeting so everyone can have a look through it in in further detail makes a commitment to work with partners and our different partnerships to support the recovery of nature across the high peaks or across the borough um it's closely linked with the climate emergency nature is is is sort of key in tackling climate change and equally you know climate change is increasingly impacting wildlife and habitats and species um the main purpose of the declaration really is to act as a formal acknowledgement by the council of the current nature crisis and provide a strong commitment to nature's recovery and this will help really make nature and biodiversity sort of key considerations in future decision making um so next steps really now that this declaration um has been sort of published is the council's plan for nature which has been developed over the last few years with darbyshire wildlife trust um is sort of in the stages where we're looking to finalize it now really um and then once that's been finalized we can focus on actually developing the various sort of project strands and actually and delivering on our aims and ambitions in relation to the plan for nature so yeah as a reminder the plan for nature developed with darbyshire wildlife trust reviews the baseline sort of state of nature across the high peak and it provides recommendations as to sort of how and where the council efforts should be prioritized um we're looking to run a public consultation on the sort of draft document plan for nature document this will probably commence following um the general election and would like to run the consultation for about four weeks um and then the next steps after that really will be to sort of finalize and and and publish um the final version of the plan for nature sort of taken into consideration comments from from the public and and local groups and then hopefully have um a potential launch event and community engagement day later on in the summer um so that's it from me for now um and i'll stop sharing my screen and happy to take any questions if anyone's got any okay folks any comments or questions um yeah uh yes thank you um right so um weeds on the footpaths so i've got a lot of people saying you know leave the weeds we need the bees and all that and i get that there is a serious shortage of bees i've noticed that in my own garden but then you get the other half say what are all these weeds doing everything looks so untidy etc etc so how can we what can we do about that how can we sort of get rid of the weeds or lessen weeds without using harmful chemicals and sort of try and keep most people happy yeah it's definitely you know a divisive point and one that we definitely need to look into um i know that discussions obviously you know with aes in terms of pesticide usage and also contracts with for example the county council in relation to sort of spraying you know glyphosate and stuff on pavements are kind of ongoing it's it's kind of an ongoing sort of review really because there's certain cases or trials elsewhere sort of across the uk that have actually shown that in you know certain scenarios whether it be you know roads and pavements or in relation to invasive species that actually currently glyphosate is in those circumstances the sort of best option you know in terms of cost and effectiveness and whatnot at this stage really but obviously there are alternatives out there so i think it's something that just needs to continue you know being at the forefront of those discussions really and not i guess not sort of forgotten about you know whilst these alternatives are actually developing it's it's difficult to sort of keep everyone happy they're like like you just said it's quite a divisive point yeah um can we have some sort of time frame on this because um obviously the green faction are getting more vocal and obviously the other side are will too so i think we need some sort of time frame to get something sorted about this i mean even if you uh strim the weeds or use one of those um uh what you call it those uh burning gun things to keep them down i can't remember what they're called your stuff and but you know what i mean don't you um or some other i mean there are things that that can be used like vinegar or um bicarbonate of soda with vinegar and things like that you know um yeah if you could look into things like that um i think it would be helpful yeah definitely and i know that the the declaration the nature declaration itself does make a commitment to actually you know review existing kind of pesticide uses and sort of broaden i guess that kind of yeah there's there's a point in the declaration about that i think the next steps really from sort of our perspective internally is to is to sort of set out once the plan for nature has been adopted the you know next steps i guess and actions into a into a proper strategy you know with with time scales so although the discussions in relation to pesticide usage are happening right now like you say it'd be good to put a time frame on that i think that's probably the next steps yeah thank you okay thanks kath just bring jean in because you may want to say something around the work that as are doing in terms of looking at the grass burges and mowing review yeah um if they are looking at the best ways to control verges but obviously with pavements and roads we still have a contract with dcc to to clear the weeds because they just disrupt the tarmac etc and with dcc at the moment they are wanting us to use glyphosate that's we get so much a particular amount of money to deal with it in that way um but it is being looked at and certainly we are looking at a more long-term way of dealing with with verges and different open space areas and i haven't got a particular time frame at the moment with they're supposed to be there's uh we have a new um employee who has been tasked with looking at that area uh okay uh thanks jean we seriously do need to to get the right balance with this um and have a time frame because things do go on not not intentionally it's just the way it is things do go on and on so i you know a serious time frame would be good yeah and as katie said there are other measures that have been tested in lots of different authorities like steam methods and things like that yeah and of course that they use a lot of energy as well you know it's a balancing act isn't it yeah yeah okay thank you okay thanks jean thanks kath uh joanna we'll bring you in next yes i think i mean thank you jean because i think that does clarify that the council doesn't have much power in this really and also that darbyshire is finally doing something about verges and i think that suggests that with other and i know other district councils have pushed on the verges as well um but i think that we there's always two sides but if we've made a nature declaration if we care about nature and realize its importance then we have to show some leadership and not simply think well you know do we want weeds do we not want weeds i wouldn't use the word weeds myself they're just plants growing in somewhere where they're not wanted perhaps um but you know we have to come down on one side or the other in accordance with what we've agreed as a council so i think that you know it's something that this group probably needs to do in other words are we going to say okay glyphosate is most efficient um we haven't got very much money let's just go with that or are we going to say no we're going to put some sort of effort into getting into working with other people darbyshire dales and so on in trying to get rid glyphosate okay thanks Joanna i think as you as you noted at the start sort of a lot of that a lot of the work that we do in that particularly done under the contract so to a certain extent there are some restrictions on what we may be able to change but i know there has been some discussions around to a certain extent does does the contract bring in enough cash essentially for the agro that it brings because there are various to to a certain extent realistic there are various areas where we're either not getting enough cash to do the job well or enough yeah or there's not enough flexibility in terms of what we're doing so we can't move it to other methods or options so at that point in time so we come to you know we'll inevitably come to a point where we've got to take a review of is it worth continuing with the con i don't think quite there yet but i know some of the work that they're looking at in terms of reviewing the mowing regimes will feed into this okay thanks joanna thanks jillian mr scott because we've got a couple of jillians on the ball yeah that's right confusing uh thanks jeff thanks katie i mean i i think that the um i agree with joanna if we if we pass a um nature recovery declaration then we show leadership on it and we we go for it um but i do think conversations you know as kat is saying we've got people who've got different points of view community conversations are absolutely key and the community engagement day or days that we're going to have the consultations are really really important and i think it's important that when we have the consultations very often it will be the kind of transition groups biodiversity groups that are possibly the most vocal but we've got to make sure that we bring all groups in so we look at the different you know the different points of view um so we can kind of understand how people are feeling and i do think there's a kind of a mixed way of approaching things like as katie knows we've got this grass verge that the borough council have given over to community management in hayfield though it's just one grass verge and there was quite an extensive consultation process with the um community that went on there and they were all in favor after discussion and knowing what it's going to be so it's like trying out little bits seeing how it goes and talking to people all the time about the benefits because a lot of people won't realize that we live in such a a nature depleted area because we're just on the verge of a national park and they think this great countryside so why are we worried about these things so i just think it is about talking to people but also we've passed this declaration and so we show leadership on it uh thanks jillian i think it's a bit of a mixed bag at the moment there are some elements where we have various contractual uh requirements and i suspect uh council colleagues in in finance and other bits will say we've got to stick to some of those some of those requirements but as i flagged earlier there are some bits of those that are under review uh so we'll see what we get to when we get to that bit if i take gene is the last one on this bit and then we'll move on i just wanted to mention that it it the grass verges is a different situation to the edges of roads where i mean everybody's complaining about potholes as well so you don't want disruption of of tarmac so i think if we can use a mechanical route to getting rid of these weeds that would be better but uh that's often quite difficult because there are you you have parked cars that getting away and things like this um there are all sorts of problems with these things but i think on the edges of roads that we we still need to actually get rid of the weeds on those very edges but verges it's a different situation okay thanks gene i don't see any further hands uh so thanks katie for the update and we'll move on to our next item which as is looking at the annual climate change event which as members will recall we added in when we approve the uh new borough plan uh at the council meeting in october a commitment to hold at least one event each year uh reviewing sort of essentially what we've been doing in terms of the climate change action plan and jillian's going to talk to us um hi so katie and i put this together so katie will might chip in at some point if that's okay um so um we were just sort of thinking about how to format the day so i'm just going to run through some ideas we've had just so that um this group can maybe chip in some ideas so we can kind of work them up and maybe find partners to deliver that as well um so oops sorry why is it not moving and so as as you just said anthony it's obviously to share what we're up to and what we're planning to do but we also want uh groups to understand how they can get involved with it or be empowered to for to set up their own groups and then we can obviously help them so the ethos of the day is to empower groups to link up learn from each other gain tools um to engage and to function better and think of new ways that we can engage collectively and and be more in capacity build within the area so if you can have a think as we're going through about themes who would invite um who could showcase what they're doing already organizations to invite them maybe aren't on that green agenda particularly um and we've got the cvs getting involved this time as well so that should hopefully open out beyond the groups that maybe see themselves as green but are actually doing green things like your men in sheds would hate to be called environmentalists probably um and then also people who might want to be involved with organizing it um when we did the biodiversity day the biodiversity network were heavily involved the wildlife trust as well so it was it made it a much better rounded day for people um so katie mentioned this earlier um we're hoping to coincide this day with the plan for nature launch um so after the consultation so this will end up we reckon probably i think september katie i think that's what you said um yeah it kind of depends on the general the general election and then kicking off the consultation as soon as we can after that really um and obviously time for finalizing it so we originally were expecting sort of summer but it probably is late summer early autumn i would expect now okay that's cool so probably september time then um and obviously we'll invite wildlife trust and other sort of larger partners to join maybe even get some some press coverage might be quite nice to get some bbc derby or something over um if they come this far and so and these are just ideas these aren't set in stone at all and the idea is to empower community groups but if individuals want to come along that's fine i just feel that if we can talk to groups to empower them to capacity build and take the message out it saves katie and i talking to lots and lots of individuals so it's about that sort of um community coming together um so under the energy theme we've got um march the energy agency who do you expect and then all these um projects kind of fall underneath that with the partner the partner organization um i'm not sure if everybody knows about the heat hub um this is a project that we're involved with um through march's energy agency and nottingham energy partnership um and it's a it's a demonstrator project to work with what are called able or willing to pay householders that want to retrofit but don't know where to start they've either got the capital or they can get finance to do it um because nobody's really looking at this and what that project is doing is looking at different archetypes particularly hard to treat so very much our areas conservation areas things like that and i'm sure you'll know about all of the other bits um this again is just a bit of a dump of ideas of what we could feature with nature and katie's been working on nature walks along with move more and pick foot with ees i think they're about to rebrand um we're looking at the calendar that we started making last year's biodiversity event and trying to do some activities around it there's a few bits of swift pilots bubbling away that we're getting involved with that might be something that we can share uh there's the climate and nature fund which you know about we've got the funding for that again this year um we are putting it up to 600 pounds per application it was 500 before there should be four applications per year per group but they have to be for different projects or phases of projects and the high peak um cvs run that on our path and i talked about this earlier this is the shared prosperity fund so that's another strand for groups who might want to upgrade their um buildings um or obviously run that community engagement project refill i know i've mentioned this several times and i mentioned it earlier i do want to get this launched i just have to find an afternoon to pull it all together um so this will look at getting as a license for the refill platform and using all its tools to be able to showcase um businesses that will happily without question refill your bottle of water for example um and so it also engages residents to know that that exists both and then also helps businesses with getting rid of single-use plastic so our environmental health officers will be able to use that as part of their advisory visits um i'm getting in touch with united utilities because they've obviously got a refill officer as well because they want you to be doing that um so yeah it's quite a kind of cross-cutting um project but i think it could be it'll be quite nice once it's launched and then eventually as a sort of phase two i'm going to see if we can get into our licensing for events to say that they have to have that or we'd really like it if they did you know and then we've talked a lot this evening on lots of different things to do recycling so i'm not going to read all this out um but yeah just some ideas um jill scott be happy i've put on her fashion show there as well because that was a lovely fantastic evening uh where lots of people showcased what they've made out of other things um so that's a really good example and we're going to have the high peak community voluntary service so they do lots of support work for community groups on the kind of boring stuff that you don't really think about when you set up initiatives like how to do social media how to run a bank account how to set up a constitution how to run a meeting for example so they're there to help they also have a massive network of groups which we can use this to tap into and hopefully make some nice new links for different groups this one we're not sure david might not approve of this one i think we should be doing more on wildfire prevention so not just thinking about the enforcement but actually going into schools and communities to explain why it's a really stupid idea to do that so um again we don't have to have this it's just an idea i think for us on a climate change point of view this is actually probably our biggest impact if we have fires it's the worst thing that can happen for us as an area so anyway it's all up for discussion and these are a few organizations that we thought might be involved again it's just some ideas this will get sent out afterwards so yeah just have a think about if there's any groups initiatives themes organizations that you think you would like to see do something to help other groups or share that's i'm done okay thanks doing comments questions joanna yeah um i think it all looks really good i've got i think you should invite the nfu they probably they might come they're very anxious to sort of get their um reputation a bit less oh that's just farmers um and the wi i think there's a sort of high peak wi grouping or the several oh yeah oh no but i mean you know i'm happy to ask yeah yeah video yeah um group i think there's an overarching one it might even be down the show but okay um so two different ones because yeah i i mean i think we've talked about this quite a lot you know sort of getting out to people who aren't usually involved in these things yeah um i think the problem is what do you do to get action but actually but also there are an awful lot of ideas there and there may be more or people might want to throw them all out and just have it on i don't know energy um but assuming that but if there were lots of ideas i think we'd have to think quite carefully about how to organize it so it wouldn't be like the last one we had which was very much on community groups coming together for nature where there was a sort of central presentation and then there were activities but it was all in one hall everyone more or less doing the same thing you know so it might be the um i can't remember what it's called but the ones that gives ideas about setting up groups could sort of have a store hall for example that anyone could go to throughout the day if they wanted advice so i mean that's just an example of the top of my head but i think yeah it may have to be very different i'm sure you've thought about this jillian i'm i'm well i'm hearing as you're volunteering to help me joanna that's what i'm hearing yes not yet i've minuted that okay fine i'm joking thank you yeah thanks joanna uh just be cautious though on the wi's because i know we do have the the rebel wi uh operate in up in glossop uh so you've got to be very careful with them because you know quite a feisty group some of them okay david thanks and still i just felt um compelled to respond to jillian's point about wildfires that um it's probably a timely reminder because we were approached by um darby shudales who brought in a pspo to tackle wildfires slightly after us and just focused on one particular area their members are now looking at extending or interestingly extending the area beyond its current limits so they asked for a meeting a week or two ago just to look at how we'd done it and what areas we'd included and so is it it was a useful discussion discussion it involved um and others and i then spoke to council claff afterwards because where we left it was it probably would make sense that if they're bringing a broader order in that we perhaps um do something together to get that publicity so that is on the cards um the contact adopter is on leave at the moment but as soon as she comes back we'll look for that joint meeting and the idea was to invite council claff and there's our representative to that just in terms of the publicity one of the things that we've we we found is that it's quite difficult for us as a borough council or darby shudales as a district council to get that publicity out because by the time people have traveled into the area with their disposable barbecue it's probably too late that they're going to cook the sausages and burgers no matter what and so whether or not and they're probably not going to look on our twitter feed or our website etc beforehand so it's how we get that message out we had hoped when the countryside code was relaunched was it last year the year before that that would i think david may have come back sorry you just froze for a second there david i froze yeah yeah the countryside code um relaunched didn't really give that opportunity it was very very um low-key um so by joining together um you know if we can involve the peak park as well then it may give us more bang for our buck in terms of getting those messages out so that is on the cards and what can we pull back to the this group what comes out to them okay thanks david is there any indications that our friends over the hill in the moorlands may have an interest um do you think they could have some impact three could have an even bigger impact yeah i mean from the council side um yes i think the the difficulty that we had and it's certain something that council claff has raised was was the enforcement of it that um if you remember the history last time we were approached as was staffordshire moorland's history council by peak park and on the darbyshire side by fire rescuing police at a similar sort of time to introduce um and the order the difficulty was that people then walk back a little bit on terms of the enforcement and then look to us to enforce but we don't have the people out there in those areas it's obviously a very large area to cover so it's that enforceability is is the difficult bit particularly if the people are rangers don't want to take on an enforcement function feedback from the nfu is that they found it useful in that um it gave farmers something that they could point to it wasn't just them being awkward that there was um some something in place so there was positive publicity but that that was the issue and i think particularly staffordshire police were more concerned about it being there than that it would generate jobs for them that they wouldn't necessarily be able to respond to so that's part of the idea of us coming together and and yeah i think we probably should include moorlands in that so jointly how can we look at a response is the pspa the best way to go are the other things to do the education side um signage and and and i suppose if we do go down the pspa route what we want to include in there because i think last time we included what we did we included um possessing a portable barbecue um as an offence um is that the route wants to go down because there's alternatives around contacting um the likes of morrisons etc we're quite receptive laughter last time so i think we can if we can have yeah we'll put together a bit of a plan and bring that back to you if that's okay okay thanks david are there any other comments in terms of putting together uh the annual event i suspect uh even though there's not comments more comments this evening if anyone does think of anything uh following the meeting if you get in touch with uh jillian and we can add them into the mix thank you okay in that case then we'll move on then oh sorry calf um yeah if we could have some printed posters to put around the areas because not everybody sees facebook you know to me yeah thank you thanks calf kate we'll move on then to our final agenda item which is the date of the next meeting which is set for the 16th of july and it's uh your opportunity now for if you want us to cover a particular theme at that meeting uh we're bereft of hands at the moment uh jillian and just to say that i'll be pulling together the annual report for a draft kind of mid julyish so i don't know if that would be a suitable time for a first draft or not it's up to you yeah if that's available jean sorry we we had a couple of things penciled in like the um um oh the quarry thing what's it called it's just gone out of my head cluster peak cluster yes and um there was another one well we've got a few things on the work program we've got um air quality because there's a lot of synergies with the air quality plans and the climate change plan so it's quite nice to see where those touch points are and with a bit of you know so we wondered if if there would be an interest in having a brief from alicia um who's head of environmental health um we had something else we'd like to get on there jillian in response to your email you sent just before the meeting the local area planet at energy point is that something which one to bring yeah i can mention that yeah of course yeah so um i mentioned this some time ago about um d2n2 we're wanting all of the boroughs district cities etc to have what's called the local area energy plan where it maps out all the area all the energy that's used now and then it it helps you build scenarios of how to decarbonize area by area um and you can build in all different scenarios and you can build in well we know we're going to build 100 houses over here or we know the peak cluster are going to start dropping there or using more energy over here because they've got these big fans to suck energy out the carbon out the waste stream um so they had asked and somebody might remember this i think it's 70 grand from each authority to which we went well we'll see what it looks like first because we'll see if it's any good and however the mayoral combined authority has now agreed that they're going to pay for it so which is good but it'll but it does mean that we need to make sure that we set up a good project team to make sure we get the most out of it and we embed it into all our decision making but that is on on the surface that's good news and i think it'll be a really powerful tool and i have seen it in action and it is pretty awesome actually and it also which i hadn't realized um it when you do your scenario planning also links to other indicators locally so particularly around fuel poverty um socioeconomic health all sorts of stuff so i think it'd be quite a useful tool it's very wizzy it's very nice so yeah okay thanks jillian giovanna um i'm just a bit concerned about how so i mean this is very very complicated of course the whole thing about taking action on climate change in nature but um it's the sort of direction of travel so we've talked a lot about doing stuff with community groups and in fact i've argued you know we have to do stuff with community groups because we haven't got the resources to do stuff ourselves but then there's also the internal working and keeping everybody internally on board and although that has got much much better i have to say since we declared the climate climate emergency um yeah is there a kind of decision to be made at some point perhaps after we've looked at the annual report about how we're going to make sure that we meet some of our targets and therefore how we either concentrate on community groups and that's sort of part two of the plan or part one of the plan where we can say high peak has reached net zero by 2030 i mean i have to say it's impossible to say that's going to happen but um you know so that we can showcase what high peak has done or are we going to concentrate on working with community groups if you see what i mean because sometimes it's a bit difficult to follow what's actually happening there's as as jillian mentioned there's a grander plan in terms of the work problem for the group but obviously if we've got topics that members are particularly interested in it can make it a better meeting uh so we're just asking for this particular bit you want to focus on but we can add that onto the list yes yes so it's sort of where the focus is in terms of part one and part two of the plan yeah question i think once we've got the annual report i think that'll be an ideal time to to do that yeah okay okay any other comments or suggestions i just wanted to to mention um that uh there's we need uh the carbon literacy percentage to be increased i think jillian was going to mention that oh yeah so we have been so close to getting silver on two occasions but with the parameters previously you needed to have an executive member so we had enough staff but then you know brodgers left so then andrew stokes had to get trained and just as he was getting trained they changed the whole formula from just being staff numbers to being staff and counselor numbers and it went from 15 to 30 so now going from there to we're now 50 i think 40 for high peak is 40 something people that we would need to put through the training so it's it's just rubbish and there's nothing we could have done about it because they changed that just as andrew stokes was getting this accreditation so it's yeah it's quite frustrating so i think we need to decide if we want to pursue it if it's important to us there'll be a there's a lot that's a lot of people we can train them we have the facilitator to train them but it's a lot of staff time of a whole day and how do we identify the staff and the counselors etc because it's an eight-hour training programme sorry anthony how many people are we talking about so we've got um we've got about 50 at the moment um and we need about another 41 which can come from staff or counselors basically right yeah for high peak but if we do it as an alliance it gives you more counselors to pull in on and it's like 55 or something like that so it's it's kind of sort of how do we do it yeah i just wanted to ask if our members of this committee wanted to do it as well and use folks before we move on to joanna you don't have to speak now we will come back to folk later and that can i just say yeah about the um carbon literacy training there was some fairly recently julian wasn't that but it was in lee yeah and so i wanted to do it but actually i couldn't get to lee i don't have a car you try getting to lee by public transport there's no train station there's no bus so i would have done it but if we if you want more people to do it it's got to be somewhere where we can get to so yeah that's just a point that's great i didn't know you were interested otherwise i would have organized another because we've got we basically with um our um local area local authority energy partnership we get a trainer um for two sessions a year so i could have organized but i didn't know yeah i didn't know you were interested so otherwise i could we could have well we can do it we can still do that that's not a problem that's probably my fault i didn't let you know but we i can't we got the email from somebody in staff at jamaulons i think so i was emailing that person it might have been i can't remember it might have been sierra yeah it doesn't matter it's it's not a problem we can still run it again but yeah if anybody does want maybe we should put a call out actually to see yeah does anybody like through all the counselors if anybody's interested and we'll run another one yeah we'll do that locally kind of yeah it's a high peak yeah yeah yeah yeah no problem at all yeah thanks okay joanna yeah um i mean jillian if you want a lift anywhere let me know no um and i mean jillian scott jim scott um yeah the yeah it is really really good oh i don't know what's happening i've turned my turn my thing off because oh crikey can you hear me can you hear me why a bit of an echo on the line i think i don't know how that's happened we're getting an echo but i can't see anyone okay try again yep there's no echo this time it's really good training but you know jillian was asking about getting some sort of certification and i just wondered apart from people being trained and understanding the issues what's in it for the council well that's exactly it it's the silver having a silver badge it doesn't does anyone know what it means it's just it's just a badge of recognition it's something that we can wave our flag it's it's well and then that's exactly the point i i agree i don't think it's i'm not a badge collector it's going to be useful but like you say it is great the training i think it's just very good training yeah yeah yeah um maybe that's a decision to have offline if whether we want to pursue that or not okay david um i'm tempted to put my hand down because i think that's a good suggestion jillian but i was going to say if we are if we've got the um option of having two events a year that and one way forward would be to run those two events a year if there's demand for them not necessarily you know if it leads us to get to silver it so be it but at least we will be meeting demand from workforce from councillors and taking advantage of an offer that's there the other thing just to say that we can do with that those credits if you like we can either use them for this um certified carbon literacy or we could run a couple of like half day you know the fresh you know that first bit you do in the carbon literacy which is like it teaches it which is still it's good in itself it teaches you the science of climate change but it's much more manageable we just don't get that certificate which would contribute to the silver so it's whether it's the silver that's important or the learning about the climate science so i'm agnostic to be honest but it's it's really up to the leaders i guess to decide what is important to them with it okay so we'll we'll take that bit of the conversation offline that sounds like one perhaps for david to have with uh tanya in terms of sort of od stuff around sort of how much more staffing we need to have had the the training uh so we'll come back to folk on that one uh i can't see any further hands up uh so we'll take away those comments in terms of putting together the next agenda but we've got a couple of bits in terms of the energy plan uh the pending consultation around the plan for nature uh and the annual report uh and we'll go back to the books uh with an agenda on that in july uh so in that case that brings us then to the end of our agenda for this evening everything thank you all for your attendance and input and enjoy the rest of your evening thank you thank you very much