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So if you need me to repeat that, or we can post that in the chat. Members of the public are welcome to record or tweet the public proceedings of the meeting. Once an application has been heard, the subcommittee will temporarily retire from the meeting to make a decision. This is the part of the procedure of the meeting. Please do not log off during this time. Once the subcommittee is concluded, deliberation, it will return to the meeting to deliver the decision of the application. Now, the meeting will follow the order of the agenda published previously. And now we move to the point of the agenda where the subcommittee will appoint chair. So, council, do you nominate? Are you on mute, Councillor? Gosh, you think I'd know that now. Yes, I nominate yourself, Councillor David Robson. Secondage. Thank you, Councillors. That is approved. At this point of the meeting, before I move on to the rest of the agenda, should I just ask my subcommittee to introduce themselves? As I said, my name is David Robson. I'm chair of licensing, and I'm also a Councillor here in Claphamtown. Councillor Brie? I'm Linda Brie. I'm a Councillor in Claphamtown ward. I've got no pecuniary interest in any of the matters before us tonight. Thanks, Linda. Hi, everyone. I'm Serena De Silva. I'm the local Councillor for Waterloo and South Bank. I also have no pecuniary interest. Thanks very much. There are some other officers that are online here as well, but they'll be kind of introduced as we kind of go through the agenda of the meeting. And as noted, CHAIS Mall is online on behalf of Democratic Services. So, moving on to the next part of the agenda, we need to approve the minutes of the previous meeting for the night and the 21st of May. As subcommittee, are they agreed? Agreed. We've already said that there's no declarations of interest for any of the three items on the agenda this evening. Moving on to the first hearing this evening, which will be that of Summer Sizzle, I ask that Pam Riley, the licence officer, can present the report. Thank you, Chair. This is an application for a time limited event made by Global Entertainment Limited on Norwood Park Salters Hill for the following activities. Life music, recorded music, entertainment of similar description on Saturday 27th of July from 1300 hours to 2100 hours, the sale of alcohol on Saturday, 1300 hours to 2100 hours. In attendance for global entertainment is Mr Ramon Roper and Hillary Brown. There were 12, sorry, 25 valid representations received against the application during consultation period. The Licensing Authority from the Licensing Authority, the Metropolitan Police, Food Health and Safety and 22, I'm sorry, and the Public Protection Noise Department and 22 members of the public. In attendance for the responsible authorities are P.C. Dave Watson for the Metropolitan Police, Matthew Onokoya for Public Protection Noise Department, Paula Ojurri for the Licensing Authority and Clops de Gray for the Food Health and Safety Department. In attendance for members of the public are Francis Bernstein for on behalf of friends of Gypsy Hill, Natalie Fishwick has as Councillor Rebecca Spencer to speak on Herby Horv. Tony Scott has asked for Ellie Brown to speak on their on their behalf and Claire Pepper has asked for Emma Liginti to speak on Herby Horv. The application can be found on page 31 to 51 of the report, a copy of the plan can be found at page 45 to 46 of the report and the applicant proposed conditions can be found on page 47 to 51 of the report. The representations can be found at page 53 to 93 of the report. The options open to the committee can be found on page 22, section 5.9. This concludes my introduction unless members have any questions for me. Councillors, do you have any questions for Pam? No, thank you. Brilliant. Thanks, Pam. So, moving on, so who's here on behalf of the applicant for Summer Sizzle? I'm here that I'm Ramon the events organizer. Hi, Ramon, could you put your camera on, please? Want to get you some lights? Yes, please. Hello, I'm Ramon, I'm the events organizer. Hi, Ramon. Thank you. So, you and now you've got up to 5 minutes to present. Okay, starting from now, thank you. Right, so I made an application initially through the Lambeth portal to host an event in Brockwell Park. I was given a telephone call from Santiago from the events team in Lambeth, and he proposed to use Norwood Park as an event space. They wanted to demonstrate that Norwood Park could be used as an event space, and I would be, they would babysit me through the process, and I did point out that this would be the first event in Norwood Park. When we attended Norwood Park as a team, my health and safety advisor, she expressed concern about the event space that were offered, mentioned it as a conservation area, and mentioned bird boxes, and such like, and pointed out that she thinks we will have issues. I was encouraged by Santiago, Phil, and such like, to carry on. They pointed out friends of Norwood and stakeholders, you know, suggested that I offered to give a donation to help to fix things in the park and such like, which was in my introduction, and my proposal. This was based on advice given by Santiago, and Phil, and Lucy from the events team. So this brings us to where we are. So three months into the application, Pam sent me a long list of things that she would need in order to process success with the application. Now, Phil, I'm naming names, and Santiago, and Lucy from Lambeville events team told me and my team that Pam's list was exhausting, and all those things were not required. Phil and Santiago, and I've got emails here to prove, I've dug them out today, said that they would deal with a lot of those things. So looking at my application, it's missing a lot of things. It is missing those things because I was told by the events team that this is their work and they will do these bits. Miss Hillary is here, and she can obviously back me up on that. And if Pam digs through her emails because everything was done through a message thread, she should be able to recall those email conversations. So I'm going to be pretty short here because I would like Hillary to have a say as well, share my five minutes. So I sigh with friends of Norwood, and I agree with all the representations made against the event that it is not a suitable location for event of this nature and this size. And I'm here just to tell you that I feel let down by Lambeville events team because I was pointed in this direction when my initial application was for Brockwell Park, and they simply should have told me that they do not have an event space, so I could move on rather than entertaining me for three to four months. And then for me to update this situation, which we preempted anyway from the beginning. It is my representation this evening. Thank you, Ramon. I'm afraid I won't be handing over to anybody else to speak on behalf of the applicants because it's just who we've been instructed that would be speaking on behalf at this stage. So now we will, if there's no nothing here from this point, we'll move to the subcommittee just to ask some questions.

• I'm sorry, Councillor Spencer, you'll be approached when it comes to the objections. This is for the subcommittee. So for the clarity of everybody else on the call, my apologies. The process of this is the applicants invited to make the case. The subcommittee then asked their questions, and then we then move on to the other people who have lodged their representations to be able to speak. Thank you. Councillor Bray.
• Thank you for that explanation. But I'm not clear, does this mean that you're withdrawing the application? - No, I'm not withdrawing the application. I want this process to carry along to the very end to where the application is refused to climb or to turn down because I do intend to be business. And I don't want it to be seen as I withdrew.
• Okay, okay. Yes, I'm with you. So in that case, can you tell me whether you have sag permission? I mean, do you know what I mean by that without what is its security?
• Same to advisory, yes, that's it. Have you got their permission to go ahead?
• No.
• You haven't. So that means... Sorry. Sorry, if you could let the Councillor please respond.
• No. No, so that means if you haven't got these sag permission, that means you will not have permission from events Lambeth to go ahead with the event. Is that correct?
• That is my understanding, yes.
• Okay, thank you. I haven't got any further questions at this particular moment, but I have further questions depending on how this hearing goes. But I would have thought that I get your point about you want the application to be heard and the procedure to be gone through and so on. But I would have thought that there are insurmountable problems to our granting permission at this stage. But our hold fire for the time being.
• Thank you, Councillor.
• Do you have anything you wanted to chip in at this point?
• Not at this point, no.
• Thank you. Okay, thank you, Ramon. And as I say, Hilary, just for the time being, we're just going to be able to, it was just hearing from Ramon. So if you could just please lower your hand at this stage because now we're going to move on to the point where we ask interested parties that make their representations. And I believe we've got, as Pam stated at the start, we've got four people wanting to speak, for that's for a maximum of up to three minutes each. And I think we've also got Dave Watson of the police licensing. So I think I'm going to ask, I've got, so do we have everybody here? So we've got Frank. And if can ask everybody who is speaking to that, Frances Bernstein, Councillor Spencer, Ellie Brown, an M.M. beginning to all please have your cameras on. And I'm going to ask Councillor Spencer to go first.
• Thank you, Councillor Robeson and the committee. I will just introduce myself. I'm one of the board Councillors for Gypsy Hill and Nord Park sits within Gypsy Hill. Just to be clear, I'm not here just representing people who have put in objections, but also speaking on behalf of residents. There's obviously been a lot of noise around this and a lot of concerns from residents in areas like the Barrage Estate, which sits directly next to the park, which is obviously very residential area, just to sum up. I mean, we touch on this. The scale of this event, it really is inappropriate for a park this size. Nord Park is relatively not just the size of the park, but it sits on very steep hill. The access points of the park that there is no access for heavy goods vehicles to set up an event of 10,000 people. Also, there's been absolutely nothing even near this scale before. It's a totally untested site, and it's really irresponsible to put something up this scale on a park that hasn't even been tested with anything kind of smaller or even half the size. The park has, as I touched on, has really poor transport access. So the roads are really narrow and residential Salters Hill next to it as a single working lane. Really poor access to getting lorries in and out. As I said, it would require a proper structural change to the side of this park, which is completely inappropriate. Staved issues, I mean, you know, talking of accessibility of the park, it would be really difficult to be accessed by emergency services, which would put, you know, 10,000 people attending the demand, potentially at risk. If emergency services can't easily access the park, we know the police object to this on the basis of under-resourcing, which is a huge concern that we'd be putting up to 10,000 people at risk here by running the event. There is, this has kind of come up, I think people have concerns about some of the lyrics that have been, some of the lyrics of the artists that's proposed to play very homophobic, really explicit homophobic lyrics, which obviously in Latin, we take zero tolerance against, yeah, I mean, and just a general point, you know, I personally haven't seen any plans to mitigate things like noise impacts on residents in this, you know, really residential area, and all kind of the potential impact to public nuisance, or also, you know, how people sort of will travel to the event to really sum up. I mean, it's just too big to test this on a park with the issues that I've mentioned and just before I end, oh, sorry, I have a big concern around an unlicensed event taking place, if this isn't, isn't granted, because as far as I know, a lot of tickets have been sold, people have this date in the diary for this park, but this is something I guess to be picked up with our public safety team, but I have a big concern around something that's happening as an unlicensed them. Thank you, Councillor Spence there. So I'm going to go alphabetical order from our three other reps, so I believe is it Mr Bernstein, would you like to go next? Yeah, three minutes from now. Can you hear me? Okay. We can hear you, sir. Thank you. I'm Francis Bernstein. I'm co-chair of Friends of Gypsy Hill, which is a voluntary community group. This particular sighting and layout of the event is not a good configuration for the park, and what's not clear from the application is this is a totally untested event location for this size of event in this park. There's never been an event of this scale with several thousand people at this location before, it's untested. The main entrance to the event is by, and two, if I understand correctly, two of the emergency exits, both face on to a narrow path next to the center of the park and next to the children's play area. This is a pinch point in the park, which links both sides of the park together, and in an emergency you'll have thousands of people exiting right where at this pinch point, next to multiple children's play areas and the public loop for the park. The play areas are unique in the area. They are the largest playground areas in this part of South Lambeth. You've got a skate park, children's area, there's a, and being on a steep hill, these play areas are the place where all the flat is part of the park, so you get a high concentration of people that enjoying things. The event site, being on a steep hill, it will, every route from a public transport rail or bus to get to the top of the park where the event's being located is steeper than 1 in 12. That means it will be the most inaccessible event site in Lambeth, to expect people to go up a 1 in 12 hill. It's just unsafe if you're a wheelchair user. I think those are the key points I wanted to get across. Thank you, Mr Bernstein. Thanks very much. Moving on to the next residence, there will be some other people following the residence that I'll bring in as well, just to reassure people on the call. I believe it was Ellie Brown next. Ellie, are you with us? I'm here. I'm here. Thanks. Could you turn your camera up in the top? You're in the top level. I'm here. Apologies. Three minutes from now. OK, thank you. So I wanted to add to the information that's already been provided just to set the context of the park. So it is a very residential area. It's very much used by families and small children and speaking on behalf of friends of Norwood Park and saying that we're really concerned that this event is situated right next to the children's playground. We're also very concerned about the lack of access, for example, the map that was submitted as part of the application refers to an access point for heavy goods vehicles that actually does not exist. So in terms of emergencies, we're concerned around that. We're also really concerned that we have not been provided enough information really to see whether the risks of this event are sufficiently mitigated. So we know that there's been no sag, there's been no community engagement. We also note that the event management plan that the applicant has opted to keep that private. We're concerned that people will come in addition to the 10,000 that are forecast that additional people would come and probably sit outside the perimeter fence. So we think that the park could be quite overwhelmed, it's quite easy to sit outside the fence and listen in. We don't see enough detail in the applicant's application about how the risks to the wider park and community will be mitigated. To give two examples, it refers to, for example, a objection of people who are intoxicated at the entrance, which is situated right next to the playground. It refers to a safeguarding plan, but we haven't seen anything around that. Councillor Spenser also referred to the homophobic lyrics. We have had, in fact, an incident of hate crime against one of our members, at Friends of Lewis Park, citing homo, you know, homo, hopeful there will be. So this is a very live issue for us. And then against the full licensing objectives, we also have a lot of concerns around children being exposed to antisocial behaviour, because they're so close to the event space around prevention of crime and disorder. We note that the police have said that they are under-resourced. We also note that the plan does not have enough detail about management of the event of this size outside of the event space and all of the kinds of risks that might pose to residents. We also note that in terms of public safety, I think several people have also raised, you know, the lack of access, the narrow paths, the fact that this is on a tested site and the limited access for emergency vehicles. We also do expect that there will be a lot of public nuisance in terms of impact on residents, whether in terms of noise or crowds, parking and so forth. And we haven't seen enough detail of how those risks will be mitigated. Yes, and last point is just it is an area of biodiversity. And we're really concerned about the impact on the park. Thank you. Thank you, Ellie. I'll ask Councillors for any questions from any of these after we've heard from Emma McGinty. Emma, when you're ready, you've got three minutes. Hi, so I'm speaking on part of residents in the local area and specifically I would like to talk to Park Road and Road, which basically border the park. And Road 4, I think one of the major routes into the park from one of the two train stations that allow access to the park, both of which would require the majority I think of the people attending the construct to actually walk through quite narrow residential streets, who obviously are not designed to have that footfall of people. So that's a very big concern for the residents in terms of noise pollution, potential nuisance, climate disorder. It's also a big concern I think just in general in terms of management of the event, now that the people will be dispersed after the event or if access people turn up for the event, what procedure is going to be in place to ensure that they're not watering on residential streets causing noise disturbance for people that live there, particularly families with young children. I will also reiterate some of the other points that the previous objectives have made. So the plan talks about a heavy goods track, which doesn't exist at this point. I understand the events team attempted to put one in, but I don't believe there's been any planning permission requested for that, as it stands, there's absolutely no way for access to the road to be granted. Colorado City Hills is a single lane road, and a number of other cameras, they're making sure that only one vehicle goes down so they're aware of that particular issue. So that's an unsuitable road for vehicle access, particularly heavy vehicle access. I believe there was a TFL traffic report that also cited that an elder road was not a suitable road for heavy goods vehicles. This was brought up I think for the metals work, and that was one of the objections raised around the metals work that was so that metals that was being put forward before, and they said that it wasn't suitable for heavy goods vehicles. That obviously praises the concern if you've got lots of parking along that particular road in terms of children, potential for emergency access for vehicles, which I think poses a threat to both the festival goers and also to the residents in the local area. I'm a mother of a small child who frequently uses that park, and I think it's a wonderful, wonderful park. We're so lucky to have it. The play area is one of the busiest I've seen across the borough, and we obviously we visit a lot of parks, and it would be such a shame to place public toilets at a festival directly against an area where hundreds and hundreds of children go to play, particularly in the summer. I don't think that's the kind of damage that can be undone with a quick clean up. People will urinate, and that will make it an unusable part of the park for children, which is surely not. Thank you. So we've come up to three minutes there. If you want to do a quick, do you want to do a quick last point? Yeah, so in summary, I think that's also part of the concern that we have around the cleaning up after the event, particularly in the streets afterwards. As residents, if we're going to get the football coming down our roads, it doesn't seem like there's any kind of provisions in place to ensure that we don't have people coming in our driveways and urinating. We don't have people dropping rubbish, and we don't have a lot of noise pollution. Thank you. Okay. So at this halfway stage of just hearing from the interested parties, subcommittee, did you have any other questions? Did you have questions to the residents? So on that we can move on. I believe there's from interested parties, we also need to hear from, of course, Netflix, public protection noise, licence and authority and food health safety. It's quite a clean sweep. So I'm going to do alphabetical order and ask Clarette Grey. If you're on the call, please. Good evening, Chair. Thank you, all. My representation will be short and concise. The application submitted like detailed information about the event. It was also stated in the proposed conditions that the application will go through the said process, and matters will be agreed with the website by the 23rd of this time. But the events team have declined the application and also it was also pointed out that they would submit it. And EMP event, magma planning, risk assessment of five risk assessment, etc. But essentially, as they don't have permission to use the land, we object and at the time of submission, there was not suitable information provided to ensure our system responsible authority that the licence will get objective public safety will be safeguarded. Sorry, that's the end of my presentation. Thank you, Clarette. If we're doing alphabetical order, I believe it's Math view on our Kenya from public protection noise next. Math view, are you on the call like magic? Yes, I'm here. Good evening, Councillors and members. Yeah, I'm from public protection. Maths own occurs, my name. And the response befall to the regulatory entertainment. So when I got the application, I examined the application, and I observed that there is no leak. So we actually the need to take the background noise report, and assessment and then take noise from outside noise actually premises because the park is just surrounded by houses. So I mean, job is to ensure that the noise from the noise activities does not impact on the residents. So I submitted a rep and then to the applicant and requested a background noise and noise assessment which has to be done by an acquisition. So he called me and then I explained to him that for any other events or concerts there should be according to the procedure. There must be a noise report. So he explained to me that, no, he has been told that it's not necessary. Then I told him that I'm going to object to it. Then I spoke to the licensing, I was informed that the defend team has actually declined to approve the application. So that is where we are. So I'm actually objected to a base on noise effect, not impact on the residents. That's just my point. Thank you. Thank you, Matthew. Okay. Now we move on to the licensing authority with Ola. Thank you, Chair. I think the applications raised a number of objections and some of the objectives are spoken very clearly with the concerns with regards to the application. And from the licensing point of view, this is an event which is expected to have almost close to 10,000 individuals in the area, an application of this size needs permission from Lambert event, which we now know they haven't given their authorization for this event to take place. And most importantly, the applicant says they expected to provide policy documents, some of which are the most important, some hasn't been provided with my colleague, Matthew, just mentioned the noise policy wasn't provided. There wasn't any security policy to be considered by the police. I know the police will be speaking on their representation. So those important documents weren't provided by the applicant. And also the safety advisory group is very important for this kind of activities to take place. And we now know that's unlikely to take place. And some of the agencies that made for the safety advisory, some of them have been notified of the application through the licensing process. But there's other agencies which hasn't been notified, which they know responsible authorities under the licensing process. And they wouldn't be aware of this application. I always, for instance, TFL would have been aware, London ambulance wouldn't have been aware. And Lambert Parks wouldn't have been aware of this application because they meant to be consulted through the site process, and which hasn't taken place. So, and in addition to this event, an event of this size will also have a significant resource impact on the council, which is always addressed during the site process. And that's not been possible to be down the room for this event. And I know the applicant has proposed a number of conditions. And how they come off with those conditions is, I can't understand. I think they have suggested there would be 100 door supervisors to be provided for this event. So, how did they come up with this figure? If they haven't got a security policy in place, and if they've been, from my understanding, there haven't been any discussion with the police to work together to make sure this event is safe and whether this number is actually sufficient to ensure the promotion of the licensing objectives for crime and disorder. So, they have proposed three paramedics. And the London ambulance is now aware of this application to have contributed to the application process. So, there's a number of things which we expect the applicants to do. And on this location, that hasn't been done. And we believe the granting of this application will fail to promote the licensing objectives and our laxity committee to refuse the application. That's my submission. Thank you all. Sorry, can I just double check as the applicant's still here? And if so, can you please keep your camera on while we're having the hearing? Sorry, thank you so much. Thanks so much, Ramon. So, believe it's Dave Watson now, isn't it? Evening chair, you've been committee. With this particular application, I think first and foremost, the NPS have no issues with the applicant making such an application. What we are disappointed with is the lack of engagement with that has been highlighted in my representation. A major factor is the fact that the application was submitted 22nd of March with the event due to take place on the in late July, I think 27th of July. That is insufficient time frame for an event of this magnitude. I think that that for us is clear. I outlined in my representation that I was somewhat disappointed with the fact that the applicant had failed to attempt to reach out to the police and have dialogue with the police with regards to how the event would be run. Clearly, Crime and Disorder is our primarily nice. It's an objective and you would like to think that the applicant would discuss with us a number of security, these sort of issues, body wall cameras and things like that. But unfortunately, today we've still had low direct contact with the applicant itself, which is somewhat disappointing and maybe tells us a lack of engagement wanted. We take on the fact that the applicant mentioned that the initial location was due for Brockwell Park. Recently, we've just held Brockwell live, mighty hoopla, city splash, things like that. The process in these events has been granted with regard to two to three years in the making. Again, just to reiterate a point, this application was submitted 22nd of March and there's just not enough time frame for it to be plausible to even to happen. The conditions proposed by the applicant I think were reasonable. This would be something that we would happily discuss for future events if it was to apply for future events. I thought the conditions were good and it's something that the police could work with. But again, I'm just reiterating the point at the time frame, just insufficient. Before I wrap up, I think it's in my representation. I would just like to comment on Councillors, Councillor Sp Sunce's objection with regards to this being a potential unlicensed music event. This is a significant concern to the police, given that we are aware that tickets are still being sold for this event. If the committee were minded not to grant the application, we would be concerned that it could go ahead as an unlicensed music event and I would like to remind the applicant that any future applications that were potentially be made with an unlicensed music event, taking place would be considered as a significant negative on behalf of the NPS. Thank you Mr Watson. I'm not going to ask anybody. You'll get an opportunity again and I will invite Hillary under a closing statement to come back in. I'm just going to come back to the Councillors to ask if they've got any questions for the previous four representations from the interested parties. No, I don't at this stage. Thank you. No, I don't either. I was, however, sorry Chair, I was going to ask if we could hear from Hillary, but you've already stated that we know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think only fair for the end, considering that Hillary's name is on the application, of course. So we've heard from all the interested parties and so this is the point of the meeting where we do invite the applicants back and, and you can either, and to have any, so is there any questions specifically from the Councillors with or what you've heard that you'd like to ask the applicants? No, okay. I mean, so you would please, yeah. Sorry, I was nodding my head when you heard yours. Yeah, go for it. So of the applicants, what happens if we don't grab permission, what will you do with all the tickets sold? Guys, like I explained in my representation, I'm under no illusions that this application would have been granted. I sighed with all the objections. I agree with all the objections. I just felt like I was set up to fail and just like everyone's disappointed, I am disappointed in Lambeth because the didn't get his name. The gentleman representing the Met Police said, the time was short. The time was short. So it should not have been entertained. The park was inappropriate. It should not have been suggested and that they should not have wasted my time. So I'm under no illusions thinking that this event will go ahead and to address the concern of an unlicensed event, but I have a massive, I'm big on reputation. I've got two shows next week, one in D.O. Two, one in Bristol. I'm not going to throw that away by turning up one of Park's plays and four or sing and unauthorized a big picture is bigger for me or bigger for us, okay. So let's put that to bed, please. I'm not that irresponsible. Obviously, I have a plan for tomorrow and next year and so on and so forth. But to answer your question, there's already been, so this is why the paperwork you have, lack a lot of things because we were told, even though Pam requested them, we were told by Lambeth that this is their work, Phil was going to do a lot of things, so we had to submit a draft and he would fill in the blanks and so on and so forth. That's why lacks a lot of things because we were working to the event's teams instructions, not to make excuses. Pam knows what she wanted, we knew what fancy those are the guns we were given. So this is why we're here, look with egg on our faces, alright. So what happens to the tickets? There's already been a plan B for this event, we've gone indoors on the 27th in Nottingham Motor Point Arena, so that's what we're looking at now is getting people tickets transferred and dealing with every individual case. So I didn't waste any time trying to force water up a hill with this scenario because quite quickly I realised what had happened. Ok. So unless there was any other questions from you Lynda, I suppose I'll just come to Hillary just to give you two, three minutes. I'm sorry, you're just still on mute there, Hillary. Let's see if I can find the unmute button for you. I know it'll be in the top right of your screen. Ok. There you go. Alright, thank you and good evening everybody. Chair, thank you for giving me an opportunity to speak for a couple of minutes. Ramon took a lot of what I was going to say just before and I just wanted to reiterate what he said. I was the one who was directly in contact with Pam. Pam was very clear about what the requirements were. She and I spent at least two hours on a telephone call going through each and every individual item that was needed. I am acutely aware, I run outdoor events up and down the United Kingdom and Ramon also runs events up and down the United Kingdom. We are not new to this. What we are is bitterly disappointed that we were encouraged to go for that particular park where there are so obviously many, many people in objections for not because it's a music concert because there are genuine health and safety and safeguarding issues. So we don't want to come here, and just to moan and gripe. You know, we want to sincerely apologise for not putting in the documents. We were told, we were categorically told by employees of Lambeth. That panelist was, sorry I'm just going to have to interject here Hillary because I just think you know this is a licensing hearing and whilst you know I can't comment on the previous case of what you have been told. He said she said, what I'm here to do is oversee this procedure. I just think it's an opportunity for you to kind of speak about the events. I think we hear you, Ramon loud and clear that this maybe hasn't kind of gone smooth enough of you, but I want to give respect for officers and not necessarily do a kind of he said she said them because I don't think that's my role as chair or as the subcommittee to kind of do this evening, but happy to pick up a conversation outside away from this as well. I think it's important that that conversation happens because there are certainly points to learn here. Yes, okay, that's the same. Very happy to pick up a conversation kind of elsewhere, but I just think for the sake of this meeting and other people's kind of time, perhaps I would ask the subcommittee, unless there's any other questions that we should leave for deliberation. Yes, so on that basis, please everybody stay on the call, we will be, I mean, these deliberations can take some time, but we just ask you to kind of just remain on and we will come back to you. If you can keep your microphones on mute, go make yourself a cup of tea or something and we will be back with you shortly. Thank you. 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Cool, brilliant. So if everybody is present and correct, I will read out the consideration from the subcommittee. So members have decided to refuse this application for a time-limited premises. Members note the application's frustration with the Lambeth events process. However, the sole focus of the committee is whether the application can be granted in a way that promotes the licensing objectives. In summary, members were concerned that the application had not been presented in advance to the Lambeth events safety group and that there are relevant permissions that are not currently in place. This group has a wide remit and seeks to make applicants aware of the requirements that have to satisfy to run an event. Members were not satisfied that the licensing objectives in particular, the public nuisance and crime disorder objectives would be adequately promoted by the granting of the license. For that reason, the committee has decided to reject the application and have to advise the applicants that a full aversion will be sent out to you. And of course, you can appeal the decision within so many days, but this, again, will be sent out to you. So on that basis, I just want to thank the applicants for joining us this evening, the residents and the interested parties. But it'd be at this point of the meeting where we ask you to leave, where we can prepare to hear the second hearing this evening. Thank you. OK, so do we have, before I introduce Asgola to introduce the representation, do we have the applicants in the room for melody? Yes. Yes, we do. Lovely. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Banks. Shall I ask you to keep on yourself on mute for the time being? And, Ola, I'll hand over to you to introduce. Thank you, Chair. This is an application to very deal premises license for melody food limited. They're wishing to extend. They wish to extend the hours permitted on the license. Now, the freshmen, they're seeking to extend from 1 AM to 2 AM, seeking to extend alcohol from 1 AM to 3 AM. And in opening hours to extend from 1 30 AM to 3 AM on a Friday and Saturday, representing the applicant is Stephen Bank. Two representation were submitted against the application from the licensing authority, who's been represented by Pamela Riley, and from the police, who's been represented by P.C. Watson. The application is at pages 101 to 120 of the report, Park. The representations can be found at pages 121 to 125. And the copy, the existing copy of the premises license is that pages 127 to 137. Subsequent to the publication of the report, the Mr. Banks on behalf of the applicant has provided his submission, which has been forwarded to interested parties and to members. That concludes my introduction unless members have any questions for me. Any questions, committee? Nope. Then on that, I will ask Mr. Banks to introduce the application, please. And you've got up to five minutes. Okay, thank you, everyone. We are a small upmarket restaurant bar. We're into a unique, East African cuisine. Now we're requesting an extension and a slight change to the normal licensing, because we are getting a demand for late night trade, food and drink. Stockwell troop station is about 25 meters from us. And that brings traffic directly to our door. There's also two nightclubs nearby, which traffic goes to. And we also have two chiffon shops, one directly next door to us and one two doors up, which are both open till 5 a.m. We aim to offer a more intimate, lately experienced with food and drink and a quiet