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Good evening and welcome to the licensing subcommittee. My name is Councillor SRIBAUGH SINGUE, I am the chair of the licensing subcommittee. The meeting is being held in person, committee members, and key participants are present in this meeting whilst others may join the on line. On the note of filming the meeting, this meeting is being filmed for the council's website for public viewing, I would remind members at the meeting to only speak on my direction and speak clearly into the microphones to ensure that the contributions can be properly recorded. Can now members introduce themselves please. Good evening all. I have nothing to declare as well, Chair, thank you. Councillor Lassen, my slum, weavers ward, I too, have nothing to declare. Can I also now have officers introduce themselves? Any other comments? Do you have any apologies? No, Chair, no apologies for absent. Do members have, we've gone through the between the interests. Can members please note the rules on procedure on pages nine to eighteen? Would you like to? So, the first application we've got is the premises license for car wash, one Quaker street, London E16SZ. Thank you, Chair. For this application, we have the applicants being represented by Mr. Christopher Rees-Kay and we have Damon Bawley and Olivia Sklokes here present at the meeting. We also have Mr. Warren King joining us virtually. In terms of those people that have made representation, we have Devon de Johnson, the licensing officer, and the environmental health officer who has joined virtually. We have Mr. Christopher Lloyd who is representing SPIA and Ms. Saj No-Miers representing some of the residents. I believe the applicant has asked to speak for a total of ten minutes today and I believe you've accepted that request. Therefore, after the application has been presented, the applicant will be invited to speak and will be given a total of ten minutes to make a representation. I'll let you know when you have one minute remaining. The objectives will also get the same amount of time to speak. However, members have read the objections and have read the agenda packet in advance. If you could minimise as much as you can, that would be helpful. Over to you, Chair, thank you. Can I ask Ibrami saying the licensing officer to introduce the report, please. Thank you, Chair. This is an application for a new premises licence for Kawash, one quick and straight London E16SZ. This application described the premises as the venue will be mostly used for promotional activities, community and arts events. A copy of the premises licence application form is included as in App Index 1 which can be found on page 27 to 46. The licensing activities and timing have been applied as follows. The sale by retail of alcohol on and off-scenes, Monday to Sunday 11am to 11pm. Our premises are open to the public, Monday to Sunday 11am to 11pm. Map of the venue are included as App Index 2 on page 47 to 49. The premises is in a cumulative impact zone. Photographs showing the vicinity are included as App Index 3 on page 52 to 56. Details of the nearest licence venue are included as in App Index 4 page 57 to 59. Essentially, the relevant parties against the application because of the application has not been explained how within the context of the application there will be the following licensing objectives, which are the prevention of crime and disorders, which can be found on page 63 to 64. App Index 6 is the presentation made by Environmental Protection which can be found on page 65 to 68. App Index 7 page number 69 to 72. The presentation made by the Christopher Lloyd the vice chair of the Spire. App Index 8 page number 73 to 74. The presentation made by Martin Huge which can be found on 73 to 74. App Index 9 is the presentation from Santa Mia which includes the repetition from residence which can be found on page 75 to 89. Yes, supplement to the commentations, even received yesterday, Wednesday 17th of July, and he was from the agent and which was being shared to the environmental protections, licensing, and democratic service. Also, there is a support from Taylor who has been omitted from the report. This is a valid supporting representation and he has been already circulated to all of the relevant parties. Additional work received from the student's Halima Baigum today on 18th of July at 2.23pm which has been shared to licensing, environmental protection, and democratic service. Thank you, chair. Do members have questions for the licensing officer? Can I now ask the applicant to present the applications you have ten minutes? Chair, can I just clarify, I haven't seen additional paper I've alluded to yesterday but under Regulation 18, I've said that we don't give consent because we haven't seen it prior to today. It was just to make that clear. The committee was made aware of the paper. They haven't seen it at the moment but obviously one of the points you might need to expand on that because obviously you'll appreciate the committee may take into account under the regs anything that is produced before the hearing and if it is produced at the hearing only with the consent of all the other parties. My advice, subject to any point you wish to make, is that it is open to the committee to decide that they do wish to see that document that was sent in earlier today. Yes? I think if you want to make any particular points before I give the committee any further advice on that? Yes, so certainly under Regulation 18 of the hearing regs it states that it should be served prior to the hearing. I haven't been served it prior to the hearing and therefore I don't give consent for it to be at the hearing. I understand that others may have but I haven't received it therefore my client would be prejudiced because we haven't seen it and couldn't take instructions on. Can I clarify, was it sent to the applicant? I do apologize, I had assumed my understanding was if it is the case the applicant hasn't seen it then I appreciate the person whose behalf it has seen. Miss Mia I think it was submitted by your colleague Miss Beigam. I don't want to say anything before I give any advice to the committee because it's technically part of yours and Miss Beigam's representation. You want to say anything in response before I advise the committee on that? Dr Helium has been away so she's just come back and then obviously she's out of town today. So she had gazed and would see me this morning. I think that it's Monday afternoon. Basically just uploading some pictures, quoting some pictures of the estate in the surrounding area so I mean if people wanted to see the pictures they were there. I think my advice to you would be the bearing in mind the applicant who is the key person who needs to see it. If they haven't seen it it would be unfair. Potentially it's probably not worth a journey, it's certainly not in the public interest in my view to adjourn. Just to consider that's my advice you would be that you simply don't take back to account and you won't see it. Can we adjourn for a few minutes and we will back here? [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] In terms of the application itself, we say it is an exceptional application now. The first step was to consider the decision or the refusal of the previous application, and to give consideration to the cumulative impact policy. This was done from the specific conditions offered in that initial draft application. It was then liaison as per the Section 182 guidance with the Responsible Authorities. Prior to it being submitted, police, EH and the licensing authority were reached out to on the 21st of February, and then a meeting took place with the police and licensing authority on the 7th of March, unfortunately, EH couldn't have made that at that time, but we met them later. You'll note that there are no representations from the police in relation to crime and disorder. This is particularly important, as any concerns therefore in relation to crime and disorder should fall away. Those that submitted representations to the first application, they were seven, but also reached out to individually. They were emailed on the 29th of February and asked to meet, and again, that can be found in the paperwork, pages 50 to 51. It was a good response to those reaching out, and meetings took place with Randall Theo, Peter Bell V and Chris Lloyd of Spire. This taking place in March. You'll note that from the local residents that submitted representations to the first applicants, only Chris Lloyd's remains from the Spire. You'll note that in relation to the Spire representation, he stated that should we agree further conditions that it would be withdrawn, those conditions were agreed, but unfortunately, he hasn't withdrawn. The application, as set out, would be Monday to Saturday 11-2300, Sunday 11-2300 for just the sale of alcohol, and then with the opening hours being 1100-2030 and 1100-2230 on a Sunday, these being the council's framework hours. Looking then specifically at the cumulative impact area, this was considered from the outset and in line with the policy, the application is exceptional and due to its operating schedule of conditions, it would ensure that should the application be granted, the premises will not negatively add to the cumulative impact of the licensing objectives. If I could then please turn it to the case summary that sets out the key conditions, and this is fromó sorry, paragraph 7, onwards in terms of conditions. Conditions one to nine are those agreed with the police, where the previous application can cover CCTV, an incident log, a refusal log. settings of written risk assessments for all events, a written dispersal policy, specifically, the risk assessing of all events. Condition 12, limiting the capacity of the premises to just 100, and importantly, in terms of public nuisance, a noise limiter that will be fitted, and set to an agreed level with environmental health to ensure that no noise nuisance is caused to local residents. 14 and 15, your normal display of signage, and then for child protection, challenge 25, but most importantly, the general points set out at the top. The premises license should be limited to six events and any one calendar month with no carryover. In addition, there should be no more than three of the six events that take place on Fridays and Saturdays. All events must be pre-booked, 14 days of advance, a record of all guests will be held for each event, this record to be retained on the premises for a minimum of six months. The booking and the guest list shall be available for inspection of the premises by the police or authorized officer. Alcohol will only be sold when a pre-booked event takes place at the premises. The sale of alcohol will be necessary, will be ancillary, sorry, not necessary, ancillary to any event taking place. Further conditions then agreed with Mr. Lloyd that there be no super strength conditions to these at 21 through to 25. It should be up to three SAA doorstep risk assessed. There should be quarterly event diary sent to residents and indeed that there be two liaison meetings per year with residents. And indeed, an offer that there will be a maximum one live band event per month. So what does this mean? Those key conditions mean that this premises cannot operate as a bar daily, which is a real concern to the local residents. Looking then at the representations received, so we can receive them from environmental health on the basis that noise break out from the venue affecting neighbouring residents and access in the U.S. to and from the venue of patrons likely to be in high spirits. So liaisons did take place with Tim Holm and fortunately he's on holiday at an aside visit to a place on the 30th of May. In relation to noise break out from the venue, a noise impact assessment was undertaken on the 3rd of March with that worst case scenario event. Measurements confirmed that the recommended mitigation measures set out in the report and given the proposed restricted conditions and events, proposed that the premises, the entertainment noise would not contribute to the prevailing ambient or background noise levels, and that's page 97 of the additional documents. And in addition, the addendum on page 100 confirms that noise would not travel. Indeed, it would be inaudible at Wellerhouse and Folgeh Street where a number of representations have been received. In relation to access and dispersal patrons and the concerns there, again, the capacity is limited. There is also a specific access and dispersal policy, pages 113 and 115, to control patrons. There also will be door staff when required, and indeed it is that style of operation in the artistic element that will mean that patrons won't be leaving the premises in high spirits. And again, the evidence before you to recognise this is that the five-temperature event measures that have been run even with a one worst case scenario, and no concerns have been received about that. The live music act has also been mentioned, and again, obviously, with the conditions offered, music could only take place when the premises was operating in one of those six days. And, again, that was looked at specifically on page 72 of our correspondence with EH. The important bit there is the operators work so hard, this is a second application, they're working and have worked with local residents, there is no way that they would jeopardise this, and they can't with the conditions offered to music every day, so that should fall away. In terms of the licensing authority representation, I fully understand it, but it's a policy-led representation on the basis of the cumulative impact area, and I'm describing and discussing as to how we get over that. The Speyer representation, again, I stated Mr. Lloyd asked for extra conditions, those were agreed, but his representation, unfortunately, still remains for some reason. Mr Hughes, again, I apologise, I reached out to him late, but again, an offer of a meeting was offered, but again, there was no uptake on that. In terms of Ms. Beggum and the Wheeler House petition, we believe the representation is unfounded, as reading through it, it says that the premise is a lot rate as a club simply isn't the case, there'll be no clubbing, no nighttime licences. The premise is, we say, will be in addition to the local community and not detrimental in any way. It alleges inevitable noise, social disturbance, fighting, drug-taking, defecating, urinating, there's not a shred of evidence to support that in relation to this specific premise. It also wrongly states that there'll be 12-hour window each day. Again, as explained with the conditions, this simply couldn't take place. It also states that it's geared towards providing cheap alcohol. Again, this isn't the case, alcohol can only be provided when an event takes place. Again, obviously, we did reach out, try and have a meeting with them, but that was not taken up. Thank you. There are also supporting letters and petitions, you'll note that these are at pages 101 and 111, and these are from local residents as well in Hollywood Lofts and Bedford House. As you'll be aware, as per The Wax Cakes, the matter today should be determined on the actual evidence before you. We say there is no negative evidence in relation to this specific premise. Only those five positive tends that have operated without issue. The committee will also be aware of the enforcement powers available to the responsible authorities and residents, including that of review. Obviously, we say that these will not be required, but they are there nonetheless. So it's on that basis that we would ask that the application be granted with the conditions set out neatly in the case of. Thank you. Thank you. Can I now ask the objectors to present their objections? You do have ten minutes to eat, but we could kindly keep it as far as possible. Thank you. I'll say you're here from first. And can I hear from where we start from the right if that's all right? Mr. Lloyd. Mr. Lloyd, yeah. Thank you. Good evening, committee. Thank you for tonight. My name is Christopher Lloyd. I'm the vice chair of SPYRE. We represent six local residents associations in the area. SPY has been in place for nine years, and over that time, we've worked with a number of applicants to find common ground with applicants and working within the CIA and residents to make sure that we can consume agreement on applications. I'd like to thank Damon, Olivia and Christopher for their engagement with us over the last few months on this process. Christopher summarized the history of the previous declined application. I think it's also worth mentioning that a license was granted by Hackney Council for the sandbox, which is the property adjacent to that. This was in January of 2024. There's no CIA in place, however, in Hackney Council, but SPY did attend that hearing, and a number of conditions were attached to that, including the number of events that can take place, the sale of alcohol, fine notification to residents, et cetera. And those have been loosely carried over into this application today. For the first few months, we've had a lot of communication with the applicant and made some progress on those conditions that have been included. It's true that the SPYRE application does mention that those conditions have been met. Some of them which have, but also the application does claim that residents are concerned about the noise from the venue, which obviously we weren't able to receive the report for that until some time ago. So it would have been put in a protest which we draw an application before we'd seen that and communicated that to the residents. If I'd ask the community to go to page 87 of the agenda, which is supplemental one, yes, as I always. Yeah. It shows the site and three locations where the noise was measured from during the test event. Those three sites, as you can see, are all to the right of the event, right to the site. There are no readings taken from the left-hand side, which actually were my properties. I live about 150 metres, 150 feet from the property. There is also another property there, Burnham House, which is just on the other side, just to the left. They should go on map. I don't know if the committee wants to see them up, because it's just a bit more context about this property, just to the left of it. I don't think it's possible. It's just a map, but it just shows where these readings were taken, but the other properties on the other side. I don't think so. But we've already had this. The committee can't take into account anything that hasn't been used before, I'm afraid. We've already set a map on page 117. It shows the site and the locations 1, 2 and 3. I'll take a street, but you can see to the left, the flow delete street, Foldgate Street, right at the bottom. Right at the bottom left, Foldgate Street. So, none of those properties were included in that noise test. And it's for these words, also mentioning that the properties 1, 2 and 3 all have double glazing, or double glazed properties. All the properties are left outside Burnham House, Flipplemen House, and down to Foldgate Street are all single glazed properties. They're housing association properties for a new housing association, and a comment which is where housing association is. There's no extra sound proof in that it's only properties, that's just the way they are, they're double-sest windows in the conservation area. So, they're very different to the properties on the right-hand side. So, we would dispute that the noise report really takes into account both sides of the site, which is got one side to the side, one's on three, but nothing on the other side. They don't know that very well, I say I live in Flipplemen House, so we'll use only 150 feet to the other side. The send box on the corner of Quaker Street is a direct line of sight for my flat. I've looked out my window and I can see that flat. So, I think noise readings from the area would obviously make a difference. I think it's also was mentioned there was only one test event done. I've lived in that building for 15 years, and I think it's fair to say that noise readings can be affected by wind, can be affected by the environment on the day. And again, we would like to see more than one test event done. We would like to have seen the residents be informed by their in advance as well, so we could just observe that and make sure that we were happy with that. There was no consultation about that prior to the event. Also, the reference to the loss on the other side can make reference to supporting application. Obviously, the loss on the other side is a very different demographic. It tends to be private rental people that are in their shortage maybe for 12 months or so on. The other people in the housing association properties, obviously, have been there much longer. I've been in my property, 15 years. Other people have been there since we've built a 1980 and they're the same for Wheeler House. So, I think there's a very different demographic area to look at. Other issues the residents have mentioned to Hayley Mill on a few occasions. And they definitely have issues with the occupancy level being set at 100. And only one toilet and one urinal being in [INAUDIBLE] premises. The residents of Wheeler House on that side would do suffer with people urinating outside the area, because it's very busy. It's subject to pop up events already. And, let's say, 100 people, especially with one urinal and one toilet, just doesn't seem to be less. Eventspaces in that area don't actually have a good reputation. It lives there 15 years. The square houses in Blossam Street have flowed at least-- at least the way users have event spaces before tend to end up pushing the rules and conditions of what an event space gets used for over time. It's something that we would hope to build up a relationship with an operator and going forward. One of the areas that we would like to have seen that happen was with the Sandbox license application. It was granted in January, had a number of conditions, including identifying local residents in advance of events that were taking place. Yes, I was entitled. I'm not sure this is relevant. He's talking about different premises and not less applications. It's a condition that's in your eye that seems like an honest representation. Well, there is reference to these conditions in there. The weight that the committee is going to give to it is obviously a matter for the committee. So the Sandbox has a condition like that and the same conditions are-- in its way, condition that's in the proposed application here. The residents have made a notice of advanced notes of that every three months. Events have taken place in the Sandbox. Residents inspire have not received any communications from the applicant. I've communicated that to Damon and said that it's actually so good to safely check to make sure that there aren't extra events being notified but also it's the same way that residents actually can monitor and know in advance these things are happening. It seems a very basic condition to have been applied for example but it hasn't actually happened in the time that the Sandbox has been operating. And there's said, I think if the Sandbox, if we were having application after the Sandbox had been there for 12 months and the applicant had been following the conditions, then we might be having a different conversation. But I don't think there has been sufficient time for us to form that opinion. And then we would object still on the noise from this site which obviously has no fixed roof and we would dispute that the testing has been done so far to miss a case any of that. Thank you. I can hear from Mayor living and I use online that's the environmental health officer. You're on mute. Yeah, I'm grieving that year when the committee members. How's my colleague is on holiday. That's fine. Okay. We've considered the, the, the new premises, that's a application for car wash. The more one quicker street London E one. It, it's a certain. And the potential impact of public users and measures to prevent noise generative from the premises, which is an outdoor event space. I repeat, our events space. These are events spaces likely to cost disturbance to the people in the vicinity. Also conservation has to be given to the fact that the venue is within pre cleaning cumulative impact zone. Why is the applicant has proposed some noise conditions in the operating schedule of the application for the prevention of public users? We're not satisfied that the applicant promotes the licensing objective for the provision of public users. Given that it is an outdoor event space. Both condition included noise limited would not be effective to control overall noise impact from the activities of the venue. The applicant has not applied for regulated. Entertainment. If the license is granted, the live music at 2012 would mean that they regulated into the music could be played on to. And 300 or. Seven days a week. The location of the venue directly opposite residential buildings. We did that when the image was attached to this representation, including Hollywood loves, but for the house, and other surrounding residential building in close proximity, especially on the horizontal side is about 15 meters. Noise sensitive premises residential premises close permitted to car wash. It's quite obvious there is no way. You know, the whole surrounding area are residential premises. In our view, the application as stands for to comply with the objective of the license. My 2003 relating to public news for the following reasons. Noise break up from the venue affecting never in residence being that the venue is an outdoor event space. Assess and agrees and from the venue of patrons, especially probably in high spirits will affect the residents of the surrounding residents of properties. In conclusion, a romantic rotation does not support this application for car wash. One quick and strict London 11 as six X said. But for the reason again, premises in the brick premises in the brickland, complex sun, the likelihood of public news is for from the venue, being another events it's quite high. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. Can I now hear from. Living a miller please who's the licensing officer. Thank you, Chair. I think a lot of what I wanted to say has already been said by Christopher and by. The premise is does fall within the brick lane community area. And therefore it's for the applicant to have the responsibility to demonstrate how the grant of the license will not add to the community impact. I've noted that the applicant has stated that the venue will be mostly used for promotional activities, community and art events, but we don't know what percentage of the events would be community based or art event based. And what other events would take place when these events are not taking place. Also noted that conditions have been offered limiting the premises to six events in any one calendar month and no carry over. And also known more than three to three of six events that can take place on Friday and Saturday in each calendar month. The applicant mentioned that the premises are not a nightclub or a bar, however there's no conditions that are restricting the venue from booking events such as pop-up bars. The applicant has also been mentioned before, not applied for regulated entertainment, however, under the live music act. They'd still be able to provide music, recorded music or live music between 8am and 11pm at night. The premises has applied for hours within the framework within the Tower Hamlet's framework hours. But although this has been applied within the hours, they've offered a number of conditions. We still need to take into consideration the proximity of the residential dwellings within the area and the disturbance of patrons leaving the venue in the evening or in at 11 o'clock at night. The impact that he could have on the residents within the area. It's also been mentioned already that is an outdoor event space and the escape of noise from the premises could cause potential nuisance to the residents. Especially like now how the weather is quite warm, so the residents will have their windows open in the evenings. The application didn't fall within the possible exemptions of the Brickmaili and Committed Impact Assessment, and therefore this responsible authority feels that it's for members to meet the decision on the rung or refusal of this license. Thank you very much. Thank you. Can I now hear from Shazha Namya, who is the resident? Hi. Obviously, and where – sorry. Chris, has echo on some of the stuff anyway. We've already had some in the corner of the car wash where the advertisement there's lights, so it's bringing in people like large crowds to be hanging around in the area because it's quite lit up. So we've already started having that as soon as that sort of come up, the billboard. And then, obviously, we'll have issues with people coming. If you're talking about a hundred people, you can maybe control noise nuisance inside the premises, but not outside. So when people are queuing up to get into the venue, that usually takes a lot of time. And then again, with street parking, residents parking, you will have people come in park, and it's quite a small road anyway, Quaker Street, if you ever look. There's already issues with drug dealing. That's a matter of fact. It will go up again. Drug dealing. People using RSA as public toilets. Again, the venue only holds one toilet from my understanding. So usually we have people come away going to RSA unit, it's exposed to children as well, because sometimes children are playing outside. We've got a basketball court. So come, like, whether like this, children are playing, and then you've got a venue that's entertaining stuff. Obviously, again, children being exposed, it's a high residential area. We've got Quaker Street building, then we've got Wheeler House, then we've got Gateway building as well. So there's three on our side, and then obviously on the other side, we've got the other residential area. And again, it's the street noise. We've got elderly residents that live on the estate. We've got children that live on the state. So there's timetables like for school. They're bedtime, the quality of life, and then obviously we've got loads of working class people. Some people work during weekends, so that will be affected anywhere with the noise nuisance coming from the car wash. And again, it's just public crowding up around Wheeler House in the surrounding area, and then we've obviously got a off-licence that usually stays open into 12. So even from your venue, you can't say that, you know, people are going to go across the road to go and get more alcohol from the off-licence. That's about it. And I just really think it's not an ideal place to have a venue like that. It's not a building, it's a little car wash. We've had issues with the car wash previously, but that was up and running because it was a 24-hour car wash. The amount of times that, you know, we as residents had to put in complaints because we could hear the jet washes and things like that growing. So I mean, it's not a building, the building's not made for entertainment. Again, you know, so our residents object to having a venue in this condition at the moment. Thank you. And now do members have any questions to ask? So I've got some questions for different departments if it's okay. So the first one, if I can ask the applicant, so obviously this is really helpful to have this summary document outlining all your points. So clearly we can see that this is more of a cultural hub that's trying to, you know, you're intending to create. But you know, we did some objectives about some of the restrictions. And one key question I thought was really important to ask you is what happens in between that period of events not being held, because if you have a license to serve alcohol, then it doesn't restrict you from doing that. So what happens if you can talk me through that? Also here it says, like, if it is a cultural hub you're trying to create, you're talking about community benefit, but it doesn't mention what they are, what that looks like. So if you can go into that, that would be really helpful. And if you could just address, mainly address the residents concern around that in-between period of what if, you know, there's events, but you could create a pop-up bar, you could create a daytime event that has the drinking nature. And so actually if you're doing that then residents are having to deal with the noise. And also I just wanted to inquire a little bit about the structure as well when it comes to the noise. What is the actual structure of the building that's there and if the council offices can support help with that as well, that would be helpful. Thank you very much. Addressing the first point, so there will be six events per month outside that the premises is used for storage. So in terms of the licensing app because of the conditions that have been offered, it can only be used six days per month. And outside that time, although yes the live music app runs because we've conditioned the license that it won't operate and that's not specific to music. Therefore that condition sticks, it can only operate for those six days. On those six days they could, obviously, and will use music on those days. And what we've said in terms of the noise impact assessment that we've done with a worst case scenario, when there was a live band, with the mitigation measures that are set out on the reports, they've asked about the premises itself. It's a wooden structure with a tent over the top of it, but the mitigation measures that have been recommended in the noise report are that there's a casing around any live band element stage end in order to shield any noise from the premises. So it's shielded. I would have to refresh myself on the exact mitigation measures, but they are contained within the noise impact assessment. Indeed, should you want them more on King Art Noise Impact? Specialist is online. In terms of percentage, 80% have been sort of community led. And in terms of commercial element of it, that's been things like book signings and fashion shows that are being bought in by independence in order for the premises to make some money and operate. But in terms of the community event, obviously I'll leave you to discuss that, but that's all local artists and a like. I think you could name it more than I could. Yeah. Hi there. I've been producing exhibitions and shows in Tower Hamilton have me for over 15 years, and I've gotten to know a number of artists locally. And we do indeed work with, I mean, currently we've got three shows planned with local artists. This is from the South Asian community. We're very close with the causes that people are working with within the area. I've lived in Tower Hamilton for 15 years, I've only moved recently. I understand where you're coming from. What we're trying to do here is actually create a space that is a platform for young people that cannot access the area at all anymore, young people that are from the area that can no longer use their area because it is out of their reach. So we're trying to provide that space to them. And to do that we do perform some commercial activities, but those commercial activities are also arts based and book launches and fashion shows and film screenings. They're not live bar pub sounds in clubs, that's not what we're interested in. Thank you. Sorry, Chair, just obviously because it was raised and Levine hadn't raised it previously, but my clients happy to offer a condition that there be no bar events, we don't want it to be a bar. It's not going to be a bar, it's a community event space and we understand that concern. If there needs to be a condition on that are then our clients happy to offer that alcohol as a set up and the conditions will be and still be event taking place. That was my next question. Thank you. But we take questions from the members can ask questions first and then we come up to marks in the end. You can go for it. Thank you. Just wanted to ask yourself because one of the points that you mentioned was how difficult it was during the time that it was operating as a car wash. You can't touch on it. If you can provide a bit more detail so I can try and work out what the issues were. Because obviously this is a massive change of use now, it will help to understand just the impacts that you may suffer from this. While it was a car wash, obviously we had build up of traffic. That was one of the main causes coming off from commercial street, coming into the car wash. There's always loads of traffic there. We had antisocial behaviour because it was a 24 hour wash and then just after COVID when it reopened, I think they were able to stay in until 11. Again, it's the noise. It brought in a lot of people onto those grounds for washing cars. Drug dealing was really open basically. The noise nuisance because of obviously we're just across and you can hear everything from the car wash area. So we couldn't have windows come summer. We couldn't have the windows open and stuff because of the noise. The antisocial was just on another level. Again, just to emphasize that when we're in the house, there are particular people that are private renting. So some of the renters that are actually there, they don't know how to approach, where to make complaints and stuff. So usually they stay quiet. You phone the police. Please will say, oh, that's something to do with the council. The council would say then, to dial in 101 to report any sort of antisocial behaviour in that area. So you can understand from residents, it gets to a point where they feel helpless. Nobody's listening to them. And again, now with the car wash with their display being there. Every soft of the picture is changed, sometimes it's not suited for residents or general public to have a look. But over night time, if you go down there, you will see there's always crowds because it's lit up. We want to take pictures, people sort of hang around, sit around, drinking already. So without being open, you can already see the attraction that's there. And it is a small space, and I'm just wondering a hundred people in that kind of space. I don't know if you've gone in seeing the venue at all, but obviously we're across. And again, with the noise nuisance that they've said, measuring the noise. Even in fact, when you ask for an environmental noise, Tim to come out, they usually come into the property to actually hear and measure the distance of the loudness basically. So I don't know how and when they've done it. From my experience to environmental, I've used to come into the home to see how much, you know, like the noise comes into a property. You can correct me, but that's how I've experienced noise nuisance team when they have come out. And again, they operate at a certain time during the night. So what happens if things are going overboard or there's loud music coming through? So do we then approach? So I just think it's at the moment. And again, if the venue is saying that it's for a community base, who's this community? You know, nobody had a consultation round, I don't know whether you've had a consultation regarding what's up with the community. You can work with any community selfish, and it doesn't make a difference in that sense with community development, but who is this community that you're reaching out? Is it people in town hallways or is it outside? Because you will attract people from outside that will want to hide the venue. So there's loads more concerns. I kind of just everything solely here tonight, obviously. There's a lot more consideration. I've just read through what you have to emailed and what you've spoken out. I mean, residents need to consult it. I really don't feel that this is going to be a community led premises, unfortunately. Thank you. Do you have any other questions? I respond on those points at all or just assess. You get the chance in the end if that's right. Thank you. Yes, Chair, thank you. First, but into the licensed officer, but I'll show you have this paper. So 2.3, it mentioned all concerns that our previously refusal decision have now been addressed. So, is that being addressed? Any further reviews? My colleague did ask about the event itself for community. Could you please give me a bit more idea how the committee will be benefited from your event? What pages are they? The record of events at Quaker Street. So, that would be an understanding of the... the time you note the events, and the patient keeps doing them with their commercial, whether they're local community artists. So, the first one we have is Manus Westwell. This is a contemporary dancer. We provide a platform space from to showcase 20 minutes of his upcoming show. Do you have local after-show? No, Manus is not local. No, he's London, but I couldn't say. Which bar is from? We did the curtain road collective fashion show. We've done two renditions of that. They are a local group of students, actually. I mean, we're... Yeah, I mean, sorry, let's start them out. We have the Tish film screening. I think she is from the north, but this was something to do with Tate as well. Pirate Radio Delive Showcase, that was a commercial event. But they do showcase producers from Tower Hamilton Hackney, who's in there. Within the artist that came, he was those artists. Beyond the Box, it's gone. Yeah. We've only been open a few months, so it's actually getting the thing up and running, appreciate what you're saying. He's like, Are we actually connecting to locals? We haven't gone far beyond Quaker Street yet, but the residents of Bedford House, we've had all of them in to offer them space. One of them suggested they set up a vintage market in there for selling clothes, and that sort of thing. We're offering the space to people like that with ideas. They are local, they're right opposite us. Obviously, they're going to be the first people that we've approached. We'd love to talk to you if you've got any ideas and you want a community project that's running there. The project we're running called Beyond the Box was put out over social media to try and connect with 16 to 25 year olds from Hackney and Tower Hamlets, who had an interest in architecture and an interest in curating events. We're actually putting something together with them. Beyond the Box is like a community interest company. It's quite difficult to connect with people. We need people like that and we need people like yourselves to get in touch with us. Obviously, we haven't got to yet, so apologies for that. I think you'll appreciate the look of the space. Now, from what it was, it's got better. I'm standing graffiti off the front of the place every few days. We change the posters and the artwork on it quite often because it's getting graffiti. If we get urinated on, we get that. We get your posters at this point. It's bringing antisocial already. We have people gather really every weekend. Could we leave the remarks till then, if that's all right. So you'll have a chance to speak on them. We'll have to be fit with them as well. So, we have improved the look of the property. We are the victims of graffiti and antisocial behaviour. This is a problem for the area. I'd say it's not us and now it's more well-lit. It's better than a dark side road. When we've got SIA security on the road, they're not people doing nitrous oxide, which was a big problem when we first came there. Now, I don't find many bottles at all. I've had the tree replaced outside the property. I've tried to get the pavement repaired, but I'm not getting much sort of conversation with the highways. I'm trying to improve it with the nuts and bolts of the place. Olivia is doing the program, so you can understand. It's quite a big thing to get up and running. But we're trying our best and we'd love to connect to Wheeler House properly. Sorry, can you keep the remarks to the chair, please? So, yes. If I could just add in, we did reach out to Wheeler House. We have asked for meetings, so I find it a little goaling that we're then saying no one's engaged in what are you doing for the community. Because each representation that was in the first application and every single representation we have said, please come and meet the team. And we've given their email addresses. Condition 11 gives a contact number that will be there for the premises license. We couldn't do more for the community chair. Do you have other questions? Yes, Chair. To the applicant, as you've said, a bit of capacity of 100 people, is that just 100 people or is it the whole day people will come in? You will accommodate only 100 person in each go or early or whatever the way you do. The mass city capacity of the premises can be 100 at any one time, including staff, and as per the condition there must be a guest list there. They would know who those 100 were, I'm not sure what type of an event, whether you would have rolling, but there would be a guest list. It's a guest list. That is conditioned. Thank you. I've got a few questions. On page 12 of the supplementary back, I can see that you are doing a good job of having a release for this local lad. Page 12 of the supplementary back. Yes. Understand, obviously, he's a local town analyst lad who's recently also performed at Glastonbury. Are you going to be working with local-based organisations or like that are involved in arts, like the 18 arts and other stuff? Have you thought about working with local organisations to encourage more usage of local community facilities that are available and encouraging young people. Have you guys thought about that? Specifically, what Beyond the Box is about this year, for the previous two pages. We've done master classes with them and this is involving other cultural producers that are establishing their careers around London, coming in to work with these young people that are from Tower Hamilton Hackney that applied to be part of this, and were presenting their project soon. Mrs. Young producers from the area. Yes, that's a temporary event notice being put in for that event so it's the 5th of August, next month. And also, what mitigations do you have in place to mitigate the congregation outside of the premises? I was going to say, that's one of my points, no evidence of this crowd taking place that's the first time it's been raised, but there is the access and dispersal policy that's contained at pages 111 and 113 should an event be taking place there. If I'm happy to turn it to that, which covers those elements. And obviously the use of doors are for the risk assessment for each event. There you are, yes. We also nominate a member of staff that's using myself for Damon to stand outside half an hour before the event ends to guide people to which tube station you need to go to and help them find camps. We don't allow people to collect outside the space for this particular reason. For example, is there designated smoking area, or is that? Yes, we do have one. It's very small. People don't really smoke that much anymore. Thank you. Just thinking in terms of, from the perspective of the responsible authorities, knowing in advance when events are going to take place with your client be willing to consider a condition that events are notified, I don't know what's in reasonable time, 14 days or 28 days in advance to the licensing authority and the noise service, if the licence is granted. And then possibly I don't know how they would feel about possibly doing that in relation to the residence associations because that might help to foster good relations. If they know in advance that these events are going to be taking place. Let me please just take instructions. I don't know. Sorry, I just cut in. We are happy to add to commission, general condition B, all events must be pre-booked, 14 days in advance, and whichever authorities will be notified, whichever you think. And then obviously in terms of conditions and liaison with residents, we accepted the extra three conditions that Mr Lloyd asked for, and those are conditions 23 and 24. The premises licence registration will submit a quarterly, at least every three months of events diary to residents association shortage community association inspire, and 24 the licence who shall hold up and publicised two liaisons on meetings each year, at least every six months with the local residents and residents association shortage community association inspire to address any concerns or complaints about the premises from the local residents. Obviously Chris did raise that issue with the sandbox previously. The guys have taken that on board, and Chris, can you just confirm you did get the email about the 5th to the 11th August event, 10th August. It occurs to me, I think, to keep things on track and this possibly can't be conditioned, but you can certainly give an indication of it's only winter. Would you be, you are currently willing to do that in respect of 10s as well, because obviously 10s are effectively going to be outside, but it is certainly going to be useful for residents to know if a temporary event is going to be planned outside of the licence. Yeah, I, we would say that's covered under all events because it would be an event taken place in the premises, so happy with that. Also, last question, just to confirm, understand you've got a condition that it's 6 events per month. The, if licence was granted, the other remaining days are used as a storage space. Yes, that's great. Thank you. That's all the questions I have for them, for more of us. Do you have any further questions? Alright, now moving on to concluding remarks. So, can I give the objectors a minute each? That's alright. Thank you. Thank you. So, to summarize our main objections, we've evolved around noise issues. We believe that the noise assessment is fundamentally flawed. Because it only takes into account properties to a right. It doesn't take into account any of the properties that are located to the left, including two residential blocks only 100 metres away and 200 metres away, one of which I live in, so I have first-hand knowledge of how close that, that building is. We'd also have liked to see the applicant adhere to the conditions imposed by Hackney Council on the Sandbox and not use TENS as they have admitted to avoid the conditions already in place. Previous application was rejected by the licensing committee, and although conditions have been agreed, and which we think they're engaged for, we believe the current application should be rejected on the grounds of noise and nuisance. Thank you. I'm echoing again. I agree with the noise nuisance centre. The human traffic that we will experience, and the time in this one, I don't want to be having, you know, six events or something over the weekends. I'd like to have a peaceful weekend on a Friday, not to hear, see loads of people around the surrounding state, basically. Livreen. Thank you, Chair. To need to take into consideration the impact that the premises will have on the local residents with another premises next door, Sandbox. And this premise, if they run in events on the same day and need to have an understanding of how the events will run together and how many people would be attracted to the venues at the same time, spinning out into the streets late into the evenings. It's 10-0 to be constrained. Thank you, Chair. And the environment. Yeah, that's a time, Chair. Er, so I didn't understand, was that? I guess that's nothing from whom. Do we have anything from the captain? Yes, please, Chair. The last point raised about the Sandbox hasn't been messed at all. So, if you could just disregard that, please, in terms of joint events. I'm not sure where that's come from. But in terms of there is no evidence of crowds spoken about currently outside the premises. Fullgate Street and Wheeler House have been dealt with in the noise report in the addendum. They're not the nearest noise sensitive premises because they're not near to the premises as it were. And that's the way the noise impact assessments work. There are two urinals within the premises. In terms of the noise mitigation measures, those are page 96 that set out an in-house speaker system and a built-up stage area. In terms of the summary at staff, it's the style of operation that's key to this application. It is community focused events based with a limited capacity that will only operate six events per month. All events must be pre-booked. Alcohol will only be ancillary to any event. The premises is not a bar that operates daily. liaison has taken place with all stakeholders, including residents. Key responsible authorities only have heard from the applicants themselves how they're willing to engage with the community. There is an inextensive operating schedule combined with the style of operation that does make this application exceptional. As always, impact assessment has been undertaken that confirms the mitigation measures are adopted in line with the style of operation of limited events. It will not contribute to the prevailing ambient or background noise levels. And again, a key factor to that is a noise limiter that will be agreed with EH. Most importantly, those are the 10s. We've operated five 10s, there's been a pirate live radio with a live band, and we received no complaints to that. We therefore say that as the evidence that you require to grant this application. The application is also supported by some local residents as well, although you've heard the other side. The committee will be aware of the extensive powers that are available. That of review, we say that will not be necessary. But please let us have the chance to operate and work within the community. As per the rate's case, the decision today should be granted on the evidence before you. And again, I go back to the 10s that have been operated with similar style events. We've limited to one live band event per month. And we say, Chair, please grant this application with the conditions that have been agreed. Thank you all for your contributions today. The subcommittee will deliberate in the private session. After this meeting ends, ourselves and Simi, the dean of the services will write to you all to the decision within five working days. Thank you guys. Thank you very much. [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] Agenda item 3.2, so sorry. [BLANKAUDIO] Yeah? All right, now moving on to the next agenda. The application is for a new premises license for fabric unit for a Queens yard, 43 white post lane, London, E95, EM. And these are on the pages 87 to 240 on the report. Chair just to let members know, the applicant, I have received confirmation from them two weeks ago to say that they would be attending the meeting in person. However, they have not turned up today and I haven't had any further correspondence from them. The object has made no representation to speak today. So I think the applicant is absent and it's over to you to decide whether to consider the application in their absence or to a gen, but over to you. [BLANKAUDIO] Jonathan, do we deliberate in private regarding this matter having read the report? [BLANKAUDIO] The options are you need to decide whether you're going to adjourn at first or who hearings regulations do provide the different party fails to attend, having them then you can proceed. You can, if you think it's necessary in the public interest adjourn the hearing to specify date or carry on with the hearing, it's ultimately a matter for you. What you have heard is we already knew the objectors weren't planning to attend and would simply have their objections read. There's nothing before you as to why the applicant isn't here, particularly having confirmed to Ms. Yasmin that they were going to be present. You're obviously here specifically to consider this one. They would be made aware of the consequences. It's ultimately a matter for you and your colleague whether to proceed an absence or to adjourn, but it's perfectly open to you to adjourn. Sorry not to adjourn, and to proceed an absence, if you do the procedure you would still hear from Mr Hussain, because the report needs to formally be before you, that they're obviously having read the papers you would just deliberate in private. [silence] Okay, let's proceed. So, having spoken to our colleagues, let's proceed. Can I ask Ibrahim Hussain, the licensing officer, to introduce the report please. Thank you, Chair. This is an application for a new premises license. For February, Unit 4A, Queensfield, 423 White Porcelain, London E95Bn. This application has described the premises as restaurant, lunch, bar and entertainment, including outside seating area. A copy of the application is shown in App Index 1, which can be found on page 97 to 122. The hours applied for the following. After negotiation with the LLDC, London Legacy and Development Corporation film, and play where we're drawn from the application. As the hours are sent of alcohol, uncensored only, some day to witness they tend to midnight. First day to Saturday, 10 to 1 am on the following days. We got a great entertainment, which was mentioned in the application with Sunday live music, look at the music, dance, and endures Sunday to Saturday, 10 to midnight. At late night freshmen induce only Sunday to Wednesday 11 to 11 pm to midnight and Thursday to Saturday 11 to 1 am on the next morning. Opening time Sunday to Wednesday 10 to midnight and Thursday to Saturday 10 to 1 am on the following day. The applicant already holds a premises license for the venue, but is for off-sense delivery only. For information purpose, a copy of the existing license is in App Index 2 on page 124 to 134. The site plan of the venue is included in App Index 3 on page 135 to 37. Map showing the vicinity are included as App Index 4 on page 138 to 139. Photographs of the premises are included in App Index 5, page 140 to 144. The detail of the other license venue in the immediate vicinity are included in App Index 6, page 135 to 147. The hearing is required by the licensing Act 2003 because of the development of presentation have been made by the following. A trend mutual web can be found on page 158 to 163. App Index 7, a video also being provided is only for the residents showing that noise level. The second web was been made by the Vasina Fullerton, which can be found on App Index 8, page 164 to 165. And is only for the noise concern. The objection related to the application is for public nuisance, ASP and crime disorders. Hours of the condition agreed by the police were on App Index 9, page 166 to 172. App Index 10, agreement made with the LANDC 173 to 280. App index 11, condition agreement with the environmental protection, which can be found on page 108 to 128. App index 12, section 182 advised by the DCMS relevant picturesis and nevertheless representation, which can be seen on page 189 to 191. App index 13 shows on page 192 to 194 licensing officers comments on public nuisance. App index 14, section 182 advised on public nuisance, which can be seen on page 195 to 197. App index 15, licensing officer comments on crime and footers nuisance, which can be seen on -- App index 15, licensing officer comments on crime and this one is nuisance, which can be seen on -- and then sentencing policy delivered to the hours of trading 210 to 11 and planning can be seen on page 212 to 213. Thank you. Thank you. Do any of the members have questions to the licensing officers officer? I have a question. How many other licensed premises are there in that vicinity? And do the hours surpass the applied hours? Which can be found on page nearby premises, bear with me. I did mention on page 145 to 157. I can have a look if you want me to go through the agenda. So just to confirm there are other premises that on the area go beyond the requested hours all the way to 3, summer, 3 years in the morning. And yeah. And some are later. So can you repeat that? Just to confirm there are other licensed premises that go until hours like 4 in the morning, which are nearby, right? Yes. What is mentioned between page 145 to 157. Basically when a licensing officer produced a report, basically we search nearby all the premises within the certain measures and then we just list all the name license hours and activities. Thank you. So, as there's no object is here as well, members will be noting everything that's on the application or their gender pack, and we'll be making, we'll be delivering in the private session after the meeting ends and democratic services will have a written decision within the next 5 days. Item 4, do you have anything to pick up? No chair, there are no applications to extend. Thank you all for your contributions today. This meeting is now closed. [BLANKAUDIO]