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Yeah, I'd say that to that, people will not be dancing on the roof, and we certainly won't be creating environments, sort of lends itself towards that. This is a venue that's going to have a lot of soft furnishings, and again, is catering to an audience and to everything that's going on in the space to provide that sort of premium rooftop experience here. And I think when I say that, I can understand how words, you know, what does premium rooftop mean and how do you sort of define that? This has a fully functioning restaurant in the space. There's a seating for the majority of the audience there.
And when we talk about music and creating the right ambience there, we're purely talking about putting music on that people like, and, you know, obviously keeping that to a level that allows people to have conversations, if we've created an environment that didn't allow people to have conversations, then it wouldn't really be what we were looking to achieve with that space.
So we're very conscious of creating, you know, a premium rooftop experience where people like the music, absolutely, but they can have a decent conversation there in nice furnishings. We're a fully functioning restaurant.
In a venue that works both in winter and during the summer.
And that's what we're looking to achieve with space.
And then on that same page, and again, I think we mentioned before, but just a little bit more detail, it says, you'll offer bookable spaces and semi-private areas for larger group bookings.
Do you have any kind of marketing plan for that in mind at the moment?
So, is it sort of, I guess you've got the dreaded hen party statues that people worry about?
I know based on what you've just told us, that's not the clear until you're going before.
But when you say group bookings, people might even worry about office parties or things like that.
Sure, no 100% and just be very clear for everybody on the court, we are not looking to attract a hen or a snake party sort of market.
It's not one that insipia is about to be very honest.
When we talk about bookable spaces, we clearly mean that you can book a space in advance, as per most sort of restaurants in, what, in existence I suppose.
And when we say about having bookable spaces, that's more geared towards sort of post exhibition trade.
Some of you may wish to come up with a couple of their guests and book a space within the rooftop there.
And that may also apply to other workers and spaces in the area.
If you want to have a space for, let's say, which is large and sort of a table booking of four, but have more people than that and have a space that they can reserve to have a couple of people along to it.
Okay, yeah, as I said, I just wanted to check the sort of marketing and plan if you had it.
But yeah, you've said that that's not your target audience.
So, okay, there aren't any further, I don't have any further questions.
I don't think neither of either of the other committee members do.
So, I'm sure you're very happy to know that we're coming up to the summing up licensing officer. Lorna, do you have any further anything, whether you'd like to sum up on.
No, I think, thank you.
Okay.
No objectives back to you, John, final opportunity for some sum up for this particular application.
I think on this application, I will just say something because obviously those concerns were expressed. I think I'd just like to reinforce the kind of more loyally position. I think it's described at the position from the operator's point of view that it's going to be entirely different from the previous
incarnation of Pagola there. But of course, you do have safeguards for the community, which should allow you the confidence to grant the application that's been applied for in that and I know it has been mentioned before, but I do want to repeat it again, given those concerns
you've got the power to review the license anybody at any time. There's also the Environmental Protection Act. So there's your own environmental health officers can take action under the Environmental Protection Act were there to be any public nuisance created from this premises.
And of course, this came under consideration in the planning applications. So the issues of noise and how it's going to impact the local community has already been dealt with in the planning application and approved.
And, you know, given that your own environmental health officers now withdrawn his objection, which obviously didn't want the late music going beyond 11 o'clock.
I would ask you to attach weight to his expert view that this premise is if properly managed and we assure you it will be, can be as big an asset as the other venues.
Thank you. And last but not least for the summing up I come back to Matthew Fitz.
Thank you Councillor I will make a couple who shouldn't go as any great surprise I'll make a couple of comments if I, if I may john has addressed you on a number of the sort of ministry bonds and I'll, the doctors could I just make a couple of observations.
This is just from the formality of it that when the application was submitted, and when the representatives observed the application as submitted, it incorporated regulated entertainment.
And you will see that dotted through a number of the representations and obviously that part has been withdrawn.
And inevitably withdrawing that part, then, and his team will reflect on how to operate absent that.
And then the second point to make is just in respect of the pergola operation or I think lorma mentioned there was one complaint in 2019 but it hasn't been Aaron standing and certainly john and I have spoken about it before now that there was
anything approximating the level of complaints or concerns that perhaps was suggested the old premises was effectively on the top of the car park cheap by jowl with residents, whereas this is obviously positioned somewhat differently.
And it is back from the national terrorist cities perhaps not directly in the middle of the 11 acre site but it's certainly predominantly in the middle and you will be familiar with all the buildings that are around it.
At least the canopy that sits across a significant proportion of the space itself.
And whilst we're entirely respectful of the concerns that have been articulated we as applicants are confident and comfortable with his team and their professional operations going forward.
And then they've talked to the comment I've made before now that such risks or concerns as they're maybe are more than adequately attended to by all of the enforcement protocols and procedures that the various offices and indeed residents have at their disposal.
And then I supposed to finish at the same point that john made but when I'm banned to make, you need to take my word for it, the responsible authorities agree that that is the appropriate way to take this forward and offer no objection.
So I invite you to grab.
Thank you very much. Well, that's the end of the summing up and not quite the end of the hearing but we are going to go to just to interrupt you.
So hardcore apologies.
Thank you very much not nothing of any consequence but just one thing I could somebody enlighten me as to when all these venues are likely to open.
It's not any of the paperwork or anywhere.
The, not necessarily at the same time but somewhere between March and June, next year.
So, by this time 12 months then hopefully and team will be operating.
Lovely thanks.
Thank you. Okay, so the committee will now retire to take its decisions in a separate meeting room. You are welcome to remain in the meeting to hear the committee's decision.
If you don't want to wait, a summary decision will be published on the council's website tomorrow morning.
I asked the members to turn off their videos and meet their microphones and join the private teams meeting for deliberation.
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In summary, the committee decided after taking into account all of the individual circumstances of this case and the promotion of the four licensing objectives to number one, grant the proposed hours, the premises is open to the public as follows, Monday's to Sundays between 8am to midnight.
Number two, grant the proposed hours for the provision of licenseable activities as follows, the provision of late night refreshment, indoors only,
Monday's to Sundays between 11 to 11.30pm.
The sale of alcohol both on and off the premises, Monday's to Sundays between 10am to 11.30pm.
And for seasonal non-standard timings, all licenseable activities extended on New Year's Eve to 2am on New Year's Day with the premises closed 30 minutes thereafter.
Number three, attached proposed conditions by the applicant.
The licenseable activities granted as referred above would come into effect when an application for a premises license will be submitted and approved by the council.
The premises construction shall be completed in a manner which substantially complies with the schedule of works referred to in the application and the accompanying plans.
A copy of this committee's full decision, including setting out details of this decision together with its reasons will be sent to the parties forth with.
If the applicant or any person who has made a relevant representation is unhappy with the terms of the provisional statement issued, they are entitled to appeal to the magistrate's court within 21 days from the date of notification of the full decision.
Okay, and that concludes this afternoon and this day's licensing committee hearings. Thank you everyone for your patience. I understand some of you are coming back tomorrow. I won't be here, but I hope I wish you a good class that's in committee hearing for tomorrow.
Thank you all for watching or attending this meeting and this concludes meeting.
Thank you very much for your time everybody.
Thanks everybody.