Planning Committee - Wednesday 4th September, 2024 7.00 pm
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Good evening everybody. It's gone seven o'clock so we're going to start the meeting now. I'm
Councillor Claire Farrier and I'm Chair of this planning committee. Thank you all for
attending this evening and I will ask all members of the committee to introduce themselves
followed by the planning officers and the legal officer and governance. As I say, I'm
Councillor Claire Farrier. I'm a Councillor for East Finchley Ward and I chair the committee,
so if you can, Councillor Barnes, you can start. Good evening, I'm Councillor Richard
Barnes. Good evening, I'm Councillor Tim Robertson, Underhill Ward. Good evening, I'm
Councillor Martin Carlin, Collindale South Ward. Good evening, Councillor Joshua Conway
Hendon Ward. There is one more member who has not arrived yet, Councillor Simberg, hopefully
will be here shortly, but he's missing the meeting. We've gone to the officers. Good
evening, John Sperling, Senior Planner. Good evening, I'm Heidi Oskar, Planning Manager.
Leslie Flohr, Senior Planner. Good evening, I'm Leslie Feldman, Planning Manager. Good
evening, I'm Andrew Turner, Senior Planner. Good evening, everybody, I'm Jimmy Walsh,
the Legal Advisor to the committee. Good evening, for us a governance officer and clerk to the
committee. Right, for the members of the public, we ask that you remain seated throughout the
meeting unless you're called to the table to speak on any particular item. Please note
that this meeting is being recorded and it's being broadcast and this is allowed for in
law and by the council. So by attending, either in person or those who are attending online,
you may be picked up on recordings. Council recordings are covered by our privacy notice
and that can be found on website at bonnet.gov.uk. The way this works is that I will ask the
planning officer to present each item following which each speaker will have three minutes
to put their case to the committee and the governance officer will inform you when you
have one minute left and then we ask you to stay because we may have questions to ask
you. Following which, we'll have a discussion in the committee and then determine whether
we approve or not of the application and this will be announced to you. We'll explain when
you come to the table. If you haven't been here before, if you come to the table, there's
a button to turn the mic on that's like a face with speech signs coming out of it. If
there's more than one microphone at a time, we sometimes get feedback so let me ask you
to turn the microphone off when you finish speaking. Right, so a slight change on the
agenda. The first item will be as is on the agenda of the land of 49 and 51 Burystud Avenue
and then we're going to hear item 12 on the agenda, 61 Pinchley Lane and then 49 St. James's
Avenue and then Ante and House. I hope that makes sense to everybody here to speak on
those. Now with regard to item 8, St. James's Avenue, this is an application really by Barnet
Council for a children's, for a new children's home. So of course, we are members of the
council, people in the committee members of the council. As members of the council, we
are all in the position of corporate parents to children who are in care with Barnet. And
we have a duty to support our looked after children. Two of us are also on the corporate
parent advisory groups. We were aware that this premises had been purchased, but we had
no say in the decision about that. We were just informed about it. So just to assure
you that we are all approaching this with an open mind. We will hear the presentations.
We've read the relevant information and we'll make our decision based on that. So is that
all right with everybody in the committee? Did you want to say anything else, Councillor
Conway? That one? Okay. Right, we go on to absence of members. Councillor Greenspan is
being substituted by Councillor Simberg, who as I say, has not quite come yet. Any other
declaration of interests? No, no dispensations granted by the monitoring officer. An addendum
to the agenda was published this afternoon. I think everybody has had a chance to see
that. The minutes of the last meeting, the first item on the agenda. Have we all read
and agreed the minutes? Yep. And then we go straight on to the first item, which is the
land at 49 and 51 Beresford Avenue. The officers could present that item. Good evening, Councillors.
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. First of all, can I just confirm that everyone's
able to hear me? Yep. Excellent. So good evening. I'll be presenting land at 49 and 51 Beresford
Avenue. The application is for the reserve matters application in respect of details
relating to landscaping pursuant to condition three attached to the planning permission
for the demolition of part of number 51 Beresford Avenue and the erection of six semi-detached
dwellings on land at 49 and 51 Beresford Avenue. This is the location and an aerial image show
showing the site. Just some relevant case history. The application was applied for concerning
outline planning permission for landscaping reserved for the demolition of part of number
51 Beresford Avenue and the erection of six semi-detached dwellings. The application was
initially refused at Planning Committee B, but then later the decision was overturned
at appeal in January 2024. Members should note that all other matters, including design,
access, appearance and parking were agreed and approved at the outline stage. So condition
three of the appeal decision which was written by the Planning Inspectorate set out in a relatively
good level of detail what needed to be provided to discharge condition three relating to the
reserve matters. I can come back to this slide later, but I'll just leave it here for a second.
The description of the development for the current application is the reserve matters
in respect of details relating to landscaping pursuant to condition three attached to the
planning permission for the demolition of 51 Beresford Avenue as described earlier.
Following amendments and additional information, the council's highway officer and arbor culture
officer were satisfied with the scheme. This is the approved site layout as part of the
appeal decision. This is the proposed landscape plan at its fifth revision. To conclude the
key considerations and recommendations, for the proposed hard and soft landscaping, for
the discharge of condition three of appeal decision at appeal, it fully complies with
the explicit requirements of the condition and if fully implemented will represent a
very high quality hard and soft landscaping scheme which were effectively the words of
the arbor cultural officer for the London Borough of Barnet. Following amendments and
additional information, the arbor culture officer and highways officer for the council
were satisfied and network rail also confirmed that they have no objections to make. All
other matters have been approved and subject to certain conditions to be applied for and
discharged prior to the commencement of development on site. This application is recommended for
approval and open handed back. Thank you. Thank you. I have two speakers for this. Jim
Fraser and Kirsty Fraser. Mr and Mrs Fraser here. If you'd like to come forward. Take
your seat and turn your microphone on. You can see a button with a picture of a face
on it. That's it. You have three minutes to speak and we'll give you notice when you have
one minute left and after that we may have some questions to ask you. Okay. It's over
to you. We challenge the recommendations made by the planning officer. Also we have consistently
criticised planners for inflating the number of people they claim to have consulted. Now
without evidence we are accused of the same. The report falsely alleges that the residents
of 37 and 47 have inflated objection numbers. We refute this baseless attempt to discredit
us. We notice that the author of the report is here and I was invited now to apologise.
Mr Turner will you apologise? You made allegations against me. Can you use your minutes to speak
it's up for the members of the committee to ask questions of the officers. Okay. At the
end we'll accept the apology. Previously we provided proof of developers breaching planning
law. Yet the planners sided with the developers abandoned due diligence and acting as their
mouthpiece. In defence of the developers villains the planners' reply was that there was no
reason not to believe the developers. The planners have also misinterpreted the inspectors ruling
on the tunnel airshafts, suggesting the reserve martyrs can proceed before addressing the
safety investigation. They claim they are content that before the development means
that reserve martyrs can be implemented first and then they will monitor the tunnel airshaft
safety investigation. They also added that the outcome not be preempted and they are
satisfied that there is no railway related network rail reasons to refute this current
application. Excuse me Mr Fraser. We often ask people to speak more clearly into the
microphone. Do you think you could just move the microphone a little further from your
mouth? Okay. Would you like me to repeat anything? Okay. That's better. If you just carry on
now we can hear you more clearly. Are you sure you wouldn't like me to repeat? I think
we're okay. Okay. Only if somebody wants you to repeat something they'll ask you to. Their
statement is preemptive and they have no proof. The planners blind faith has resulted in years
of wasted resources. Then we have to consider network rail's decision, clearly stating that
there are issues. Less than two years ago in the rail tunnel just outside Bath a train
burst into flames and smoke and it was the airshafts that saved the passengers and staff.
Network rail have made it clear that they have little knowledge about the air tunnel
shafts under these properties and that is why they need a safety inspection before they
can recommend the current reserve matters. We understand that planning might feel under
pressure to draw a conclusion to this after years of pursuing but given the overall conduct
of the developer and their misrepresentation on planning law, asset protection, Arabs,
consultation, restricted covenants and the failures in planning due process they are
only themselves to blame. There should be no compromises over safety. That's time, thank
you. Sorry I didn't hear that. That's time, thank you. Got any questions or if anybody
wants to hear any more? Councillor Roberts. I just wanted to ask you, have the concerns
of British Rail been widely publicised, made available to local residents and others? You've
got the secret. The British Rail and the chief of the operations, Mark Layton, has written
to the council and planners setting out that it's too premature to allow reserve matters
before the investigation of the airshaft and the ground is carried out. It would be too
premature to do that. They are withholding any judgement on that at this stage? That
is correct, yes. It depends on what you mean by withholding. They've stated the fact that
they do not know whether it's safe or not. Thank you. I think you will find and the officers
may explain afterwards that Network Rail have not made any comments at this stage but there
is a condition that this should be agreed with them before any work starts. Legally
we can't ask for that condition to happen before the decision is made but before any
work starts it needs to be. Thank you for reminding me of that. That was the Inspector's
ruling, yes. Any more questions? Councillor Conway. Putting aside any safety issues, is
there any other issues you have with this? Yes, Kirsty will be bringing these up but
if you like I can briefly run over them. Would you like that? Just the issues which aren't
in regards to safety but in regards to planning? Most of the design of the plans for this development
are called into question because of Millon's own safety audit. They refer to collisions
with cars and collisions with people and if you look at the whole design which is part
of the landscape and you'll notice that particularly number 51, they will actually step out right
onto the road. There are other issues with the road of course. The field of vision is
restricted despite what the report says. We are also concerned with the width of the road,
there's no leeway for emergency vehicles or anything of that nature. Thank you. Any other
questions? No, thank you very much. Mr Turner, would you like to apologise to me? I was just
hearing from you and taking questions now. The officers will have a chance to speak afterwards,
so let's see what they say afterwards. So thank you very much, if you can take your
seat now. I may have Kirsty Fraser who would like to speak. Hi. Hi everyone. Just to remind
you again, you'll have three minutes to speak if you finish use yourself and then you'll
have three minutes to speak. You'll have a warning when you have one minute left. Thank
you. All right, evening everyone. I'm Kirsty from Beresford Avenue. This reserve matters
application should be denied and the statement of support in the planning officer's assessment
is inaccurate, misleading, unsafe and illogical. Firstly, stepping out of 51 Beresford Avenue,
there's basically going to be a gate and the family home will just have no pavement in
front of it and it will walk straight into the highway. This is obviously incredibly
dangerous and the developer safety audit comes up with no realistic option of avoiding colliding
cars or collisions with pedestrians. We did actually have a meeting with Steve and Volley
and we were discussing the problems with that particular exit for that house, the gateway
opening onto a road and obviously as they approach the access road that if they saw
an oncoming vehicle, the car may have to reverse and obviously... Sorry, could I just interrupt
you there? Sure. As you're aware, we're hearing tonight just the conditions about landscaping.
I think the access and the side road and so on. Okay, so just to finish my point... Was
agreed in the outline. Okay, so just to finish my point quickly then. Sorry, no problem.
I'll go back to that but Stephen did say that those cars would not be reversing there which
obviously is not enforceable. Okay, so anyway Network Rail Engineers is premature to deal
with this application now which seems to be acknowledged I think because we don't have
the safety report and the airshafts needs investigations to ensure safety. After a decade
of applications, this is nearly 10 years in the making, millions face two restrictive
covenants forbidding house building over the rail tunnel. We don't know if the tunnel can
withstand ground excavations until the airshafts are properly assessed as per the health and
safety act. Beristed residents in the council cannot accept this application when it might
change after an airshaft investigation would be denied our right to critique and evaluate
the outcome. Our planners feel confident that they can monitor millions after this application
is approved but you've had 10 years to monitor this development over their claims of securing
a network rail assessment, sorry, asset protection agreement. They don't have such an agreement.
The latest report claims planners could manage the airshaft investigation post approval and
back up their unsubstantiated claim that they have recycled their statement, thank you,
from earlier reports. There's no planning or evidence of monitoring any conditions of
the developer over the past 10 years. Millen's has just been relentless, keeps submitting
applications one after the other and at the last meeting they did actually shout, the
last meeting that they attended, they did shout that they were going to keep going and
going and going. Now, we did ask for that statement to be minuted but Stephen didn't
minute it but we did raise that concern. On one hand, to choose to rely on the planners
well documented historic unreliability to monitor millions, on the other hand, to choose
networks rails valid health and safety concerns about this application, we believe it should
be investigated first and then followed up with an amended reserve matters application.
We recommend the committee deny this application and there's just too many ifs and buts about
this application and we just want you to refuse it like every other, all the councillors that
have before you over the last decade. Thank you. Any questions? Yes, Councillor Conway.
What's the issues with the landscaping? With the landscaping? Are we talking about the
actual layout of the, yeah, can you explain what you mean by landscaping and I'll answer
the question if that's all right. I didn't mean that, I'll ask the officers afterwards
but just in regards to this reserve matters application with respect to details relating
to landscaping, what are your issues with the landscaping? I'm not sure how to answer
that question, can I ask the Beresford group that are behind me? I'm afraid you're here
to answer the questions, not other people. Okay, well I have concentrated on the safety
factors here tonight, sorry I can't answer more. Though I would just say as I said to
Mr Fraser, there is a condition from, resulting from the appeal, that the safety report should
be confirmed with networked rail before any work starts. You can't ask for that before
decision is made but that condition is there, then it should be done before any work starts
and the officers will explain that further afterwards, if that's okay. Any further questions?
Nope, thank you very much. Thank you. So as I say, I'll ask you to explain that a little
bit more and if there's any other comments or questions from members at this stage. I'm
sorry, I'm forgetting the applicant. The applicant, the agent we have, Mr Millen, Vincent Millen.
I do apologise for missing you out, that's my area. There's a button with a face on it,
down by your finger isn't it, it's not very good to see. That's it, yes again if you could
introduce yourself, then you have three minutes to speak and you'll be given a warning when
you have one minute left. Hi, my name is Ben Larry, I'm one of the owners of Millen Homes.
Thanks for hearing us tonight. I don't really have too much to say in terms of the landscaping,
almost identical scheme was approved by this committee two years ago. The only difference
was the access came in off a slight different location. In terms of this inspection shaft
that keeps coming up tonight, I thought I'd just cover this off, that was inspected by
Network Rail last year and they've now concreted that over, it's sealed off and it's been purposely
located in a position where it's easily accessible under a car parking space. Network Rail are
happy with it, they've signed off on it. We have a BAPRA agreement drafted and in place,
the only reason that isn't signed is because we have to pay a substantial amount of money
at that stage and until such time as detailed permission was granted, we wouldn't commit
to those funds because it's a very large chunk of money. So in terms of the landscaping we've
worked very hard to make sure that the landscaping officers are happy and the scheme is pretty
much in terms of planting, layout, maintenance, identical to the scheme that was approved
two years ago by this committee. Thank you for your time.
Thank you. Can you just confirm your name? Are you Benjamin?
I'm Benjamin Lowry.
Any questions from members? No? Okay, thank you very much. And again we go back to officers.
Talking about the condition from Network Rail from that point.
So as was detailed in the officer report, the wording of the condition for the Network
Rail was quite specific and conditions need to be clear. There's a criteria for a condition
to make sure that it's clear, understandable and the clear wording of the condition is
no development shall take place until details of the location, extent and depth of all excavations
of the services have been looked into. I'm sort of paraphrasing it slightly but the wording
at the beginning of the condition is very specific in that it says no development shall
take place until details etc. And having worked on major schemes before, if there was the
expectation for those details to be provided before the reserve matters it would have said
something along the lines of prior to reserve matters being submitted.
Is that condition not on these papers? Is that just because it came from the appeal
that that's part of this? No, no. On these papers it goes from condition three to condition
seven. So it's within the body of the report? Right. It's on page 16 of the report which
has been published. I can't say specifically but it is, although that's not in the report
as a condition it is. It isn't a condition which we attached, it's a condition which
was the inspector attached. Thank you. Councillor Canwick. In your opinion is there any aspect
of either the soft or the hard landscaping that will make it dangerous for anyone entering
or leaving the development? So our highway officer has looked into this. Following residents'
concerns they were consulted later on in the process just to be absolutely crystal clear
and they said following an amendment to the fencing which pulls the height of the fencing
down and back they are entirely satisfied that there are no highway concerns. Any further
questions or comments? We've heard mention the air shafts or shaft on a couple of occasions.
Would you like to comment on that as well? So that's entirely unrelated to the landscaping
condition. There's a separate condition which we will deal with and which the applicant
will need to deal with before the commencement of works on site but that's not something
which we can and need to deal with at this stage. Thank you. Any further questions? Councillor
Roberts. Is the application dependent upon that decision that's yet to be made? Whatever
decision we make this evening. No, so the applicant will still need to come in with
those details once the decision on the landscaping has been made. About the rail tunnel going
underneath that is yet to be resolved as well. The proposal is set out to start a report
and there's a lot of discussion tonight, background information for decisions that have already
been made at the appeal. So really what you're looking at, the only decision making tonight
is in relation to that landscaping condition. It's a reserved matter so it's being reserved
without any permission being reserved and you're being asked that decision to make a
decision on that and I'm happy to hear about the background etc but it's not related unless
the subject tells me otherwise to this condition. That will have its life of its own as it would
do like a normal planning application. The report about the railway shaft needs to be
given to Network Rail and agreed with Network Rail before any work can start. That's what
the condition is. Any further? We will go to a vote. The officers are recommending approval
of this application. All those in favour of approval? There's four against, one not voting.
So that application is approved and we move on to, I'm sorry we've finished with that
application now as you heard we were looking at reserve matters. Thank you. We have finished
with that application now and moving on to the next one. We're moving on to 61. We have
finished with that application if you could quietly leave the room now. Thank you. We'll
move on to 61 Pinchley Lane. Thank you. We have heard you and you have heard that tonight
we are dealing with just with the conditions. We've heard you. Thank you very much. Thank
you and we'll move on to 61 Pinchley Lane. Thank you. The next item on the agenda is
61 Pinchley Lane in Hendon. The proposal is for a single storey rear outbuilding, partly
retrospective as it amends a building that's already built on the site. So members of the
committee to the site visit yesterday. This is the property here, one half large property,
one half of a pair of semis here on Pinchley Lane. It's been converted into a number of
flats. These are some site photographs. This shows the front of the property here and the
access way down the side here which leads through to communal gardens and a series of
historic outbuildings and a new outbuilding which has been built along the back of the
site at the rear here which has been built unlawfully and has been the subject of a number
of applications over the last couple of years as you'll see from the report. So that was
obviously the original plan of the garden. The flats, three flats at ground floor level
in the main building have got their own private garden. The rest of the area here was communal
garden for all the flats. These two buildings here and these two garage type buildings there
are lawful. They've been there for some time. Previously the building that was built incorporated
the buildings on this side, extended across the width of the site and extended down here.
So this building has not got planning permission. It's been refused as have a number of variations
to it. An enforcement notice has been served which is now subject of an appeal but awaiting
the decision. You'll see from the report and the addendum that the most recent application
was to amend that building and retain it. In this form here, extending right up to the
boundary of the property on this side here, it was reported to Planning Committee last
year and members refused it and again that application at appeal at the moment but as
of today we don't have a decision on that application. So the current proposal is to
amend the outbuilding further and it would set it away from the side on this side as
well as on this side so there'll be a two metre gap between the building and each side
boundary. The depth of the extension would remain as it is. Its overall height as we'll
see in a moment is 2.5 metres here and as members will have seen on site yesterday,
the actual height of the building is the same height as the fence which runs along this
boundary on this side with number 59. Yep, that's the fence line here and that's the
building and this is the height of the fence to the other side. So this is the unlawful
building that's currently situated on that boundary here so it will be set back, this
part will be removed, retaining this rearmost portion only. The enforcement case relates
to the whole of the unlawful outbuilding here which is required to demolish all these buildings
and the garages on site here. This was the scheme that was refused last year so members
can see there was a distance to the boundary on this side but it projected up to the boundary
on this side so the main difference now is making the building even smaller to remove
this area here to ensure a separation to the boundary of two metres. So in terms of the
key considerations, officers consider the scale of the outbuilding has been reduced,
it's been set back two metres from both side boundaries compared to the previous scheme
refused and the communal garden will be closer in size to the original because of the removal
of existing sheds and reduction in the size of the outbuilding so the application is recommended
for approval subject to conditions. Thank you. Thank you and we have Jodie Benayme to
speak. Mr Benayme, you were going to speak first. Sorry. We usually ask the Councillor
to speak after the other speakers.
I will say first, thank you for coming this evening. It's my dire job not to have to do
anything because you couldn't come. If you can turn the microphone on. That's it. And
then introduce yourself and you'll have three minutes to speak and you'll be given a warning
when you have one minute left. Thank you.
Hi, my name is Jodie Benayme and I live at 59 Finchley Lane immediately next door to
the property with my husband Michael, five children and our puppy. It's been our family
home for the last 15 years. I object to this proposal. We are not property people. We feel
overwhelmed, frustrated and exhausted having to fight against developers who have more
financial power and expertise than we do. We've had to contend with six planning applications
just in the last 20 months, four of which were refused and one withdrawn. This started
when these developers built a series of outbuildings of this location unlawfully without permission.
There's a planning enforcement notice requiring the demolition of all these outbuildings which
the developers are currently appealing. They believe that asking for forgiveness rather
than for permission is an acceptable tactic. With respect, the committee should not reward
the applicant's bad behavior. I spoke before the planning committee last September when
the planning officer was recommending approval for a single story rear outbuilding. All six
members of the committee unanimously agreed with the planning officer and a refusal was
issued on the grounds which are summarized in exhibit one disagreed with the planning
officer. Almost a year later, I am baffled to be back here with the planning officer
again recommending approval for an almost identical proposal. What has changed? Essentially
nothing. In exhibit one, you see clearly that the proposed outbuilding has not changed in
size and is merely moved away slightly from the northern boundary. The committee's recent
refusal reasons of excessive footprint, size, scale, depth and height all remain. In a similar
vein, if it was determined mid last year that a gym is uncharacteristically intensive use
for a residential garden, how can it be acceptable now? Please see exhibit two. Furthermore,
an outbuilding like this is inconsistent with DM01 and would therefore meaningfully impact
the character of our neighborhood. Please see exhibit three. On Google Maps, the only
other outbuilding I can identify with an address on our side of the road is the developer's
other property at number 53. There they first applied for an ancillary use as a gym. It's
never been used as a gym, and then have applied numerous times to convert that building into
residential use, having been refused three times since June 2023 with an application
pending. You have one minute remaining. Exhibit four illustrates this pattern of incremental
building. It's a war of attrition on us and on your resources. We believe they'll do exactly
the same at 61. They've had discrepancies in their application saying there's no water
when there is, saying buildings were pre-existing when they were not. You could see that in
exhibits five and six. They've also had a complete disregard for us and for the law.
They've rented out two of their flats as Airbnbs since day one. They don't care about the 90-day
rule. We can't go in our garden because there's constant smells of marijuana. We're kept up
at night by loud noise. The developers have no regard for us. To conclude, we believe
that this application should be denied for the reasons we've stated. You could see them
in exhibit eight. It's the same size. It's the same use. It's inconsistent with DM01.
The developer has a track record of unlawful developments. They've given, they've not told
the truth. They've been unreliable. They've used their properties as Airbnb, shown unprincipled
behavior and approving them now would just reward bad behavior.
OK. Thank you very much. It was well-timed. Any questions? Thank you very much for this,
which is very, very clear. You worked hard on it. It looks like we have no questions
at the moment, so. No questions. Yes, yeah. I have Councillor Mark Shooter. Thank you
very much, Chair. Good to be back. You've got three minutes to speak. Yes, yes. Three
minutes. I'm not going to time myself. I haven't got a lot to add on an excellent presentation.
He's obviously was here last year, a few times, I think four times. I penciled in my diary
for next year another three times, just, you know, the optimism that he gets refused again.
But last time, you know, we went through it in detail and the committee voted six nil
in against the application. And from what I can see, nothing's really changed very much
from the previous application. It's still the same size, as far as I can see. The height
is definitely the same, 2.45 metres. And it was refused on on height as well, I think,
as well as bulking of various other issues and DMO one, etc. So, you know, what they're
going to do, I mean, they can keep coming back and take an inch off here, there, everywhere.
It doesn't really change the fact that this is really trying to put lipstick on an elephant
but on a pig, actually. So lipstick on a pig is just trying to dress up fat. It's an eyesore.
I mean, you don't Google Earth, you can see there's nothing in the near vicinity, anything
like this. They're claiming that it was it's going to be a gym and they put this, you know,
the foul, the drainage in for the toilets, etc. And I mean, if it was a gym for the residents,
they they have their own apartments anyway to go to the bathroom. I mean, is this gonna
be some kind of luxury spa with a bedroom? I mean, yoga room anyway. It's just, it doesn't
really make sense to me. And yeah, we do have the policies in place. And I just think they're
just trying to keep coming, coming back in order to try and take advantage of, you know,
get something, something through and then do some planning creep on the next one. So
can't really add anything to the exhibits. They will, they will speak for themselves.
It's just, you know, for me, just as a disclosure, I know the neighbours, I know many of the
neighbours who are objecting here. So that's why I felt compelled to speak and obviously
being a ward council, I don't really want to see, I don't really want to see this type
of increase in demise, you know, going, you know, in Hendon and spreading, especially
on that road. It's very important to have other immunity space and gardens, we don't
want people being overlooked. I think Jody alluded to Airbnb. I mean, if you do Google
61, we can 61 Finchley Lane Airbnb, it does come up with a rather nice accommodation.
I think we've got five stars only two weeks ago. So I think four stars the week before
that. But so we really want to try and we do have a housing shortage, but you know,
not building eyesores in gardens. And I think, you know, I think for all the stresses caused
in the area, I think it would be much better if if the committee stuck to being consistent
on the last application, which they turned down convincingly, this is pretty much the
same application. It's just to be the building's done a little walk to the centre. So it's
shifted over. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Any questions? Councillor Roberts. I just
wanted to ask Councillor Shitter, in principle, you against there being a gymnasium at the
rear of this? In principle, are you against the idea that a gymnasium should be the end
of this property? Not not not really. I mean, there's there's no problem having a gymnasium
if it is going to be a gymnasium. We don't want I mean, there's a bit of an application.
Well, there's a grey area. I'm not against in that having gyms at the back of people's
houses, what I'm against is huge, yeah, out of character outbuildings that are actually
ruining the lives of the people next door. So as long as things are built within scale,
and this is clearly not I mean, you can see it from your garden. I mean, it is slightly
over the fence and these are high fences have been put in. So it's quite a large outbuilding
is but those facilities if it was a gym, for instance, then could be used utilised by the
residents of number 61. Yeah, but what's to stop a bed going in as well? That could be
part of it. Oh, what? Sorry, that could be part of it. Well, that's that's the issue.
So if they are running Airbnbs, then they're going to run Airbnbs from there. In order
to, you know, actually, it might I mean, look, if it's open for residents, fine, but it just
seems to be a very large building way too large for the area. So it's really about the
size issue more than anything else.
Do need to be of a certain size by the very nature of what they're there for. Well, they
can be adapted working, they can get smaller if they if they want to just have one less
running machine. I mean, I don't know whether they're planning to service the whole of Hendon
in that size gym. Yeah, thank you. As you know, I was I was on the committee last time
that turned it down. I think I was chairing that committee as well. But there is there
is a big change now. So it has been made a lot smaller. So you're saying it's still rather
long as far as I can see. It's looking at it, does this meet the reasons that the last
one was turned down? So it's an excessive size design, citing scale, depth, height,
and so on? Well, the height hasn't changed the height, as you're saying that it's still
even if the size has changed, I don't think it has based on it might have changed from
the original first application, but from the last one that was turned down, I don't believe
it's changed. You have the exhibits, but regardless of that, it was turned down also on height
and the height is certainly the same height as it was previously that was turned down.
And that was one of the specific reasons that was listed. Alright, well, we'll ask for confirmation
on that we were told that the height is the same. And we saw that the height is the same
as it was in the previous application. Therefore it can't be seen. So it's a matter of looking
at it and in terms of Airbnb, that's not something we can look at now. I know, I know. I just
mentioned it because I appreciate how neighbours may feel about that. I haven't got anything
against Airbnbs either, by the way, I use them sometimes when I go on holiday. We'll
hear from the applicants agent now and then they'll get in the session. Thank you very
much. One more question. Sorry, Councillor Conway. Just following on from Councillor
Roberts' question in regards to gyms, do you think there's any difference when a gym is
in a private resident's home rather than if it's in a large block of flats? Well, I guess
it would make a lot more sense building a gym if you had a resident block of 200 people.
It would be far more cost effective than building a gym for five flats. So I don't know how
much, what the landlord is looking to achieve here. I don't think he's going to achieve
a significant uplift in rent that will help pay for the capital outlay of this supposed
gym. So I don't see personally, I think it was something that was probably thought of
afterwards when there was obviously some scrutiny from complaints from the neighbourhood what's
going on. There's a huge outbuilding that's gone up illegally and perhaps it was retrofitted.
I don't know the history of what happened, but it doesn't make sense for me that there
should be, how much gym equipment you need for five units, five residential units. And
there were many, many gyms all around Hendon as well, very, very good. I think there's
the Middlesex University gym, you've got the gym at Hendon Central as well. So if someone
wanted a running machine they can go and buy their own running machine. The flats are quite
nice sized flats and big enough to host their own workout equipment should they so wish.
Thank you. And then we have the agent George Ray. Thank you. I think you also know the
procedure. If you turn your microphone on, now we have three minutes to speak. You can
all make it left. Thank you chair and members of the planning committee for the opportunity
to speak today. Upon reviewing the objections raised against the proposal, it is evident
that they either follow a repetitive pattern or consist of copied content. All 17 points
in each objection focus on either alleged past accusations or speculative future accusations
by my client. Rather than addressing the actual details of the current proposal, if we concentrate
solely on the facts of the application, devoid of the unsubstantiated claims presented by
a neighbouring party, it becomes clear that the only reasonable conclusion is for this
application to be approved. The proposed development is significantly reduced in scale from the
original application and is smaller than the previous refuse scheme. Frankly, I'm surprised
by the attention this minor application has attracted. The prior refusal considered concerns
about the security of number 59, specifically the fear that people could jump from their
outbuilding into their garden. As well as the outbuilding size and its impact of number
59's amenity space, my client addressed these concerns by repositioning the outbuilding
more than two metres away from both neighbouring properties and ensuring its roof is below
the fence line, effectively eliminating any potential impact to neighbouring properties.
Furthermore, the proposed outbuilding is smaller than similar developments built at numbers
51, 53, 76, 82, 88, 95, demonstrating that it's not out of character for the street.
For these reasons, the planning department has recommended approval. My client has consistently
approached this process with diligence and responsiveness. After the previous application
was refused, he consulted with the planning department, considered the committee's and
neighbours' concerns and returned with a substantially revised proposal. The planning department
confirmed that the revised proposal adequately addressed all the concerns and again issued
an approval. My client has transformed the previously dilapidated site into a well-developed
property with high-quality residential flats, all constructed in strict compliance with
planning approval permissions. When it came to the rear garden, he was misinformed about
the permit to development rights, whilst it was clarified that Albert did not fall under
such rights, he collaborated closely with the council to develop a scheme that meets
planning policies while addressing neighbours' concerns, reducing the size scale repeatedly.
It is important to note that current objections do not cite any planning policy issues, but
rather make baseless accusations against my client, whose objective is to provide functional
mini-space that enhances the residents' quality of life. Objections questioning the
use of the outbuilding as a gym are particularly unfounded in today's context, where integrating
gyms into residential sites is seen as beneficial for physical and mental wellbeing. In summary,
the proposal in front of you today has been meticulously adapted, scaled down and thoughtfully
designed to align with the planning policies and address all previously raised concerns.
I urge the committee to focus on the actual merits of the application and approve accordingly.
Thank you. Any questions? Councillor Roberts?
Can you clarify? The use of the gym is for the residents of the property, not the commercial
entity. In addition to that, I noted that the planning officer said that the three ground
floor flats have their own mini-space, private mini-space, but that they also have use of
the communal mini-space at the rear, so they will also be able to use and benefit from
this area. Any further questions? Councillor Conway?
Thank you. What was the size of the gym in the previous application?
I don't know if I've got the notes, I've got the plans, but I don't know if they're
on the plans, I believe. What is the size? Just because you mentioned
that it's been majorly scaled down, so I'm just trying to work out what.
I said scaled down, and I said majorly scaled down from the original application. So on
the first application, as you can see, that was refused, and each time we have scaled
it down. Apart from obviously the one, the very large one, or the other ones that we
have significantly scaled down, have been approved by planning officers and taken to
committee by the objections of the neighbours. But each time we have reduced the scale. So
obviously from the previous one to this one, it has been reduced, percentage off the top
of my head. Just looking at the plans both here and previously
leading up to this meeting, it doesn't look to me, so I'm just trying to find out what
the actual size is, because it still looks the same. Previously the committee said grants
for refusal are due to excessive footprint, excessive size, excessive design, excessive
scale, excessive height and excessive depth. And I can't see how that has been reduced.
Besides that, it's been moved slightly away from the fence, yet at the same time making
it closer to the other fence. So whilst making it potentially slightly better
for one neighbour, you've made it worse for the other neighbour.
Well, if you look at the other neighbour, if you look at the photos of the other side,
you'll see that there's a massive brick wall on the other side. So in fact, if it is still
two metres away, 2.5 metres in height, which is below the fence line, so it simply cannot
affect any minute space of neighbours. I don't think that is a necessary concern in terms
of impacting the amenity, because you visually can't see it. On that side anyway, you're
saying, so move closer, there's a four metre brick wall on the other side of that fence.
But on that side, yes, we did move it away from the neighbours of number 59, of course,
because they were concerned. I remember at the committee, I don't know, I can't remember
which committee members were here, but they did raise the point of they were nervous someone
was going to climb on the roof and jump into their garden. So we paid attention to that.
We thought it wasn't going to happen, but okay, it was a concern of them, so we moved
it away. We did reduce it off the top of my head, maybe 5-10% reduction. But you've got
to remember, each time from the original one, it's probably about, I would say, half, just
over half the time.
We need to go to the original one, because the previous one was rejected.
Well, to be honest with you, I'm actually talking about this one, and the relevance
of this application. To be honest with you, as I said to you, there were 17 objections
raised. If we go through them, one by one, they're all not really relevant to this application.
They all go on previous applications. That's why I'm trying to stop now.
I'm just asking about this one.
This one is reduced from the previous application. Again, when we've got objection one, again,
it talks about this, I've said, these are just notes I've written down. Objection one
not relevant to this application.
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, as I said, concentrating on this application and the merits of this application, it has
been reduced in size. It can't be seen by the neighbouring properties. The fact the
use of the gym will benefit all residentials. I mean, I know Councillor Shooter mentioned,
oh, it's OK, they can just shove a treadmill in their living room. I mean, it's quite
easy. Thankfully, I live in the house, but I can. Other people may. People living in
flats can't automatically do that.
I think you've answered the question. Thank you. Any further questions, Councillor Kellogg?
Thank you. Having been on a site visit yesterday and seen the existing building, unlawful building,
I've got concerns on two fronts. It doesn't fall for the size and depth of the building,
the actual physical construction there. It's going to be awfully uncomfortable for anyone
exercising in there due to lack of ventilation. And then again, in the winter when it's cold,
it's going to be really difficult for anyone to exercise in there due to the temperatures
involved. So I do have concerns over the actual usage of the building.
Sorry, I apologise. I didn't hear your first. I heard about the winter. I didn't hear.
The existing construction that you have there, minus the end bits and the bits around the
side, so the bit that you intend to keep, doesn't appear to have sufficient ventilation
for anyone who's doing some heavy exercise within the building. And that is a concern
because I have a feeling that it's, if not unsafe, it's going to be uncomfortable.
So are we able to bring up the proposed plans? The proposed floor plan, so everyone can see.
I think you'll find you've got, there's three sides that have access to air ventilation.
On each side, there are two windows proposed. Again, what you saw on site is not what the
end product is going to be. Obviously, that is unlawful. They have to, unless something
happens, they're going to have to knock it down and rebuild according to this plan. So
based on this plan, you've got two windows on the side. You've got the front, which is
obviously the longest stretch, which is proposed full of windows, double doors. I do believe
that there is sufficient ventilation according to the gym requirements. In addition to that,
you talk about being cold winter days and that's back garden. Yeah, my client would
love to have it right close to the house, but that again would be against planning policy
and wouldn't want to do that because that would be a nice door. And well, I was up six
by 30 this morning heading off to the gym. So, and it was dark and cold then. And you
know, I would recommend people do do that. It's quite exhilarating. So I personally in
the winter would recommend people venturing their beer of cold to enjoy benefits mentally
and physically of going to the gym. And that is what this proposal is trying to represent.
Just one point and two questions. You mentioned that your client was previously badly advised
in regards to, he hasn't given in to the thing that he's appealing at. Has he accepted that
he was badly advised? But moving on to the two points, in this current application, on
the application you've written, are you proposing to connect to the existing drainage system?
You clicked no. In that application, it's been clicked. Are you proposing to connect
to the existing drainage system? And it's been ticked no. Yet we can see on site that
there is drainage in the toilet into the gym. So where is that drainage? What is that drainage
in that toilet for if it's not connected to the drainage system? Again, I'm trying to
stick to this application. This application doesn't show any drainage. It was from previous
applications. There is no drainage. Obviously it was done. There is no drainage there now.
From previously, as you say, unlawful development. It simply won't be used. There simply won't
be drainage. You can see there's no, I don't think there's a sink there or toilet showing
that there's a toilet. There is a toilet inside at the moment. Yes, but we're, again, trying
to stick to the facts, trying to stick to the actual application. There is no proposed
toilet there. And there is a proposed, as you say, in terms of, he was badly advised.
Yes, he was. He was told it was a permitted development. The truth is, if it was a single
dwelling house, the proposed, what he built would be considered to be a permitted development.
He was informed incorrectly. It's everyone's right to appeal. Of course it's everyone's
right to appeal. But in essence, this is what, again, I try again focusing on this application,
the merits and the benefits this application will provide. Thank you. Thank you. In regards
to this, once again, this application now, it's written that according to current application,
outbuildings in yellow are labeled pre-existing. We've got an image from Google Maps that shows
that's not true. Pre-existing to the building going down. Pre-existing that worked starting
on 12th February 2019. And in 29th of June 2019, you can see they are not there on Google
Maps. If you go back to the previous plans, you'll see there's four separate plans. The
first plan shows, you're right, original. And you're absolutely right, there are no
outbuildings shown on that. In the current application, it's written that the other outbuildings
were pre-existing. So you're right. So there weren't any. Then, as the planning officer
says, those ones, and these are the ones we were talking about, were then constructed
prior to my client purchasing the property. Those were on site, and deemed north, but
I think the planning officer stated. So there were four stages. So prior to the outbuildings
being built, there were outbuildings there already. You're correct in saying, originally,
there wasn't anything there, which the first plan does show. Is there an error in this
current application? No, no, no. I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying both statements are true.
So there were previous, there were before the un-north outbuildings was built, there
were outbuildings there. But a few years before that, you're correct, there wasn't any buildings
there at all. So I'm saying both statements are true. I'm not denying your statement.
I don't have to really follow that, but I'll just move on to my last point.
Maybe the planning officer can explain.
Yeah, that's fine. I'll send. So my last point. It's been said before, and it's connected
to this application, that the proposed use of an outbuild as a communal gym is also considered
uncharacteristically intensive use for a residential garden. This is still a communal gym and it's
still in a residential garden. So putting aside any, we may disagree on whether you've
made any small or not. It still looks excessive, but it's still a communal gym in a residential
garden, which your client has been told before, is uncharacteristic.
Okay. I appreciate that comment.
Not by me, but the planning officer has said this.
And so my counter argument is, is that fundamentally, I believe that this gym will, and I hope councillors
agree with me, will be beneficial. It might be uncharacteristic, you're right, because
not every house on the street has a gym there. But fundamentally, I really do believe that
having a gym in a block of flats is very beneficial, especially at the moment. We've got to consider
fitness, wellness of people, and it's very nice.
In terms of moving on, I'll take further advice on this, but I think we're not able to consider
what this may be used for. I don't think using it as a gym...
I'm not saying it's being used as a communal gym. I'm not suggesting anything. They're
saying it's being used as a communal gym, and the officers have said that communal gym
is uncharacteristic in this area.
We'll get confirmation of that from the opposition. Any further questions? No? No. Yes. No, that's
all right. Yes. Okay, so if we could have some comments from officers about whether
this use as a gym may be allowed or not.
Clarify a few points. In terms of the size of the building, I just checked the officer
report for the last application that came before committee, and that stated the building
was 3.6 metres by 12.3 metres. The current plan shows 3.8 metres by 11.6, so it's 0.2
metres deeper and 0.7 metres narrower. Same height, but 4.5.
Okay, thank you. I would like to say that, as I said, I was on the committee that turned
this down last time, and it was very apparent then that the sort of wrap-around, it was
a huge overdevelopment of that area and for this site. Clearly, this has been going on,
and we've heard from the speakers, and we've read from the other objectors as well. It's
been going on, causing a lot of nuisance to them for a long time, and I do accept that,
but I'm thinking if this was the first application that came, would we be looking at it differently,
just as this application, without knowing all the other things that were going on, and
we're still coming under appeal. So I'm not decided on that, but we are just looking at
what is before us tonight and coming to try and look at it as though it had no history,
that's what I'm saying. Any further comments or questions for anybody?
Just from the sizing we've just been given, it's just as excessive, and putting it aside,
being built illegally, they haven't taken it down. Besides that, we've got a clear picture
of there being drainage there. The building itself now in this application is 0.2 wider
than it previously was.
I just need to emphasise what the chair said. You're here tonight to consider the application,
which is single-storey, rare outbuilding part retrospective. The history as regards, you
do need to ignore to a certain extent, and also any future potential, if there are enforcement
issues, those are enforcement issues, and that's up to the council to enforce those.
If it goes into residential use, whatever is anticipated, but at the moment, it's just
for the building as proposed, not as you saw on the site visit, and if you're going to
vote to not approve it, which you're entitled to do, then you need to have in mind planning
reasons to refuse this application. I would suggest future enforcement is not a reason,
and the drainage is not a reason. You need to consider this application.
Thank you. If we can go to the vote then, the officers are recommending approval of
this application. All those in favour of approval? Those against? Two. One not voting. I hate
this, the council chair's decision then. I would have to go along with the officer's
recommendation in that case for approval. This application has been approved.
Good evening, everyone. I'm here to present a case at 49 St James Avenue. It's for a change
of use from a C3 dwelling house to a C2 care home for three children. It's noted that the
applicant is the director of Debana's family services, and the children there are typically
aged around 11 to 14 years old. As you can see from the site location plan, the application
site is a two-storey semi-detached dwelling house located in the northern side of St James
Avenue, and the area is predominantly semi-detached houses with some detached houses. The site
has a p-tail of two, which is considered accessibility is fairly poor, but it benefits from a driveway
to the front and a private garden to the rear. So here are some of the aerial photos, and
you can tell that there's a wrap-around single-storey extension. And some site photos to the front
and to the rear. So the existing house is a four-bed seven-person home. There's no external
changes proposed. And the main shared accommodation is at the ground floor level and consists
of kitchen, dining room, living room, and a staff office. And the third floor, you can
tell three children's homes with size about 13 to 19 square meters, which are quite spacious.
Some concerns are raised of the proposed living room for the staff is 5.7 square meters large,
which is slightly small, but because that would not be the primary accommodation for
the staff, which unbalanced, it's fine. So the key arguments here is whether the use
of a children's home would materially impact the character of the area, which is predominantly
a single-family dwelling by virtue of the number of comings and goings and any associated
impact to the noise and safety. So the staff pattern, you can tell, is likely to happen
at about 7 to 11 p.m., which is unlikely to result in an intensification of the use beyond
that expected of a single household. And this is the existing parking and cycle parking
and waste management, which has retained its existing arrangement.
And other considerations involve the principal development, which we find the applicant has
demonstrated there is a need for a care home in the locality. Especially, there are two
councils' children's home and a family resource center, which would be located within 1.1
to 1.6 miles, which is about 20 to 30 minutes walking distance from 49 St. James Avenue
– so it creates a strong support network and has justified the loss of a poorly accessible
family home. And unbalanced, we find that the impact of character and the neighbors'
amenities are acceptable, and therefore the application is recommended for approval, subject
to conditions.
Thank you. Councillor Conway.
Just with permission, although I was not involved in any of this, as a member of the Children's
Education overview and scrutiny subcommittee, with permission, can I just excuse myself
for this application?
I have two speakers on this one. Two objectives, Pfizer-Siddiqui and Zara-Siddiqui, and I think
Mr Ben Chung is going to read their objections. You can come forward.
You can read both objections. You have six minutes. Because you're just reading their
objections, you won't be able to answer questions for them, but you can read their
statements.
Okay. Six minutes.
Yes, three minutes for each.
Good evening, members and chair of the Planning Committee. My name is Ben Chung, and I'm
a planning consultant representing my clients, Zara and Pfizer-Siddiqui. We reside at number
60, Raleigh Drive, which is an immediate neighboring property to the north of the application site.
My clients are deeply concerned about this planning application to convert a single family
dwelling house to what is effectively a U.S. Class C2 residential institution. We know
it's a large number from the local community have voiced their concerns during the consultation
process, with 150 objections and only one letter of support. We sincerely request members
to reject the officer's recommendation of approval and direct refusal of this application
due to the following reasons.
The principle of losing a single family dwelling house within what is an established residential
area is considered unacceptable, as it would create a net loss of family-sized housing
in the borough. This would serve to encourage and exacerbate the continuous and cumulative
erosion of more family dwellings from being lost in established neighborhoods such as
this.
There's been no evidence to suggest alternative sites have been properly considered and assessed.
There are simply no details of any alternative sites being documented in its evidence base
in which demonstrate objectively how alternative sites have been convincingly discounted. We
will simply never know whether those alternative sites may actually have particular advantages
over this application site, and this is considered a serious flaw when properly considering other
suitable sites elsewhere within the borough.
The ground-floor bedroom intended for one of the children is located to the front of
the property and overlooking what is effectively the driveway. This is considered a substandard
living condition for this habitable space, and officers have not properly considered
this issue.
We consider the layout arrangement of the proposal to be substandard and inadequately
thought through, given there is no apparent dedicated staffing area within the property
to provide the basis in which to operate from and provide round-the-clock care. In addition,
having one of the children's bedrooms on the ground floor so close to the entrance could
mean children could escape without supervision.
There appears to be no due consideration for access for all policies, and principles being
applied to the proposed development, nor has it been duly addressed in the committee report.
This is contrary to local plan and London Plan policies.
The site has a PTAIL rating of 2, and is considered poor for public transport accessibility. This
is clearly not a good sustainable site, and that emerging local plan policy suggests the
need for these sites to be in PTAIL at least a 3 to 6. Just because the properties within
close proximity to bus stops do not address the fact the site has overall poor public
transport accessibility with limited bus connectivity.
My clients have stressed that the council should be held responsible if any antisocial
related incidents that occur and to which result in harm to any of their family members,
damaged property and the wider neighbouring community.
Lastly, my clients consider this proposal to be an incompatible use within what is an
established residential neighbourhood, and that other alternative and more suitable and
sustainable sites should be considered instead.
On balance, this is not a well thought through scheme with various weaknesses from a planning
perspective, and that we urge members to refuse primary permission accordingly.
Thank you for your time.
Thank you. As I say, because you're reading these on behalf of the objectors, we're not
able to ask you questions, so thank you very much for your time.
Then we have the agent, Jalpa Patel. You're not Jalpa Patel.
Thank you, Brigitte. So if again you know how this works, you can introduce yourself.
You've got to have three minutes to speak, and we'll give you a warning when you've got
one minute left.
Thank you very much. I am Brigitte Chaudhan, the Director of Children's Social Care, and
I have had the privilege of leading corporate parenting for the last eight years, and I'm
very proud of our achievement, even more so since the services to children in care received
an outstanding from Ofsted recently in our inspection. The reason why I'm mentioning
that is...
Yes, I can just interrupt you to congratulate your matter. We have four members of the council.
Thank you very much.
Yes, it was outstanding.
Thank you. The reason why I mention that is because one of the things that they highlighted
was that one thing that we do very well is to make sure that our children who need to
be in our care are placed at the right places at the right time, and why we need to look
at the placement types is because everybody, most people know that there is a national
shortage of foster carers, and there is also a national shortage, or there's a local shortage
of placements for children to remain in the local area, and one of the things that we've
worked really hard at over the last few years is to make sure that we create local placements
and local options for our children that need to be in our care. We have invested a lot
in trying to recruit more foster carers, but there is still a need for different types
of environments for children, and the reason why we are looking at the children's homes
is that sometimes children need to be in a different environment, not a family environment,
but we want them to be local. We want them to not have to be placed out of the area,
and far distances from their connections, from their families, and from their schools,
and the reason why we also want a small children's home is because if we have the children living
locally, going to local schools, there is a higher, better chance of them returning
to their birth families and moving on to foster care if necessary. Barnet has three other
children's homes that are run very effectively and have had them for some time. We have had
excellent feedback from Ofsted and they're all graded as good. For this home, we will
have three children residing with at least two members of staff at any time 24 hours
of the day. They will attend school, and when necessary, if they have to attend other appointments,
they will go to the appropriate venues just like any other family, and this will be their
family home. This will be their home where they reside, where they are safe, and where
they can be protected and they can be nurtured. We want to be able to create an environment
where they grow and they are encouraged to be part of a community, and that's why we
look for a residential home in an area that they deserve to be part of. The home will
benefit from being managed by a residential manager who has got 15 years of experience.
In the eight years that I've worked with her, I've seen the difference she makes for these
children that we have to look after. Finally, I just wanted to say and to try and give people
assurance that the children who need this home are children who need to be protected
and they need to be cared for, not because of something they've done, but because of
their family circumstances, and they deserve to have the best that we can give them as
a local council. I hope that when you think about this application, you're able to support
those children and approve this application. Thank you.
Thank you. I'll ask a question, but I wonder if you could just confirm the needs and the
supervision that these children will get. We've heard and read from a large number of
objectors living around about who are worried about this facility in the midst of the effect
it will have on them and on their families. Will children possibly have social behaviour,
other things? I'm sure it will be managed properly, but could you explain how that will
be managed, and also how you will be able to liaise and communicate with neighbours
to get them onside and to understand what's going on?
Absolutely. We've spent a lot of time looking at the objections, taking them very seriously.
We want our children to feel welcomed within the community where they reside. We have a
very good track record of actually working very well with the neighbours. Our other children's
homes are also in residential areas. They're either semi-detached house or detached house
in a residential area. We worked really hard to make sure that the neighbours and the people
around the children's home understand what we're trying to achieve for the children.
The focus age of the children is going to be 11 to 14. They will be in un-care because
they can't live with their parents for any number of reasons. This is not a home for
youth offending services. It's not a home for youth detention. This is our children
that need to be with people who can make sure that they're okay, that they're safe, that
they go to school, that they do well at school. We have very experienced residential social
workers who will be working with them, who will live with them to make sure that they
have the opportunity to have their environment normalised. And what we have alongside them
is an expert professional team who they will have access to. So we have our therapists,
we have our social workers, we have the intervention centre, which is a mile away where they will
go and they can have contact with their family members in a safe environment. Because one
of the things that people were worried about were that families and lots of people would
be coming to the home. Actually, we do the opposite at children's homes. We make that
a secure and sacrosanct place for them so that they feel safe and that they can live
in as normal an environment as possible. So they will live with their residential social
workers, but when they go and see the other professional network, it will be off-site,
it will be at other venues, which we do for all our children across our children's homes.
Thank you. Any further questions? Councillor Roberts.
I just want to clarify. As far as you're aware, have the other residential homes in Barnet
of a similar nature, have they caused problems for local communities?
Not at all. Not at all. Not at all.
So we have two children's homes, and they're both six-bed children's homes, and then we
have another children's home that is a two-bed children's home. We will have some situations
where there might be a situation where a child might have a medical condition and then an
ambulance might need to be called. We've had that in one of our children's homes. We've
had a young person who was quite distressed because of contact with the family and acted
out within the children's home, but not in terms of damage to neighbours' properties.
Thank you. In your experience at the other homes that Barnet, sorry, the council operate,
have there been instances of children climbing out of first-floor windows and escaping?
Thank you. The staff that work with them are very highly trained. We also match children
to the places where they live, and the reason why we want to work with a younger group with
this children's home is that we don't want to send our young children who can't live
at home, we don't want to send them far, you know, 20, 30 miles away from Barnet. We want
to keep them within their community. We also know that our schools are incredibly good
and are very nurturing to our children, so we want to try and keep them at their local
schools, because that's often very much a safe space for children who are going through
trauma. Thank you. Lastly, just one more question. We heard in the objectives that you haven't
given any evidence of having looked elsewhere, as though you've just decided on this place
without considering other areas, so I wondered if you could just describe the process that
went through before we settled on this particular place. Absolutely. So once we received the
agreement for capital investment from the council, we went through a series of viewing
properties and we've actually, over the period of time, we viewed up to 10 different properties.
We had to be conscious, first of all, of the public purse, because that's my responsibility
to make sure that we use the capital investment appropriately and with respect and responsibility,
so we had a budget. We had to make sure that we bought something that didn't require a
great deal of additional work done to it, so that when we purchase a property, we could
actually start using the property quite quickly after purchasing the property. We also wanted
to have a look at the area and one of the things that we felt why we wanted to purchase
this property is that it's the end of the road, the physical place that it is in terms
of the corner property. It provides a lot of privacy for the children in the back garden,
as well as the bedrooms, because they are lived after children. It also has a lot of
good connections to the other children's homes that will be supporting these children and
will be supporting the staff. It wasn't just a, Well, here's a house. This is our first
choice. Let's go.
There was actually quite a lot of consideration and a number of visits
to the property by different people before we actually came to the decision to put an
offer in.
Any further comments or questions? Otherwise, we will go to the vote. Officers are recommending
this for approval. All those in favour of approval? That's all. This application is
approved. Thank you very much. And we can ask Councillor Conway's coming back and we're
going to move on to Antion House for a bundle present.
Thank you, Chair. So this application relates to Antion House for a bundle present, and
the proposal is for a change of use of the existing single family dwelling house to a
residential children's care home for free children. This is the site location plan.
Just before I carry on with the presentation, I would like to just clarify, on page one
of the committee report, the relevant site to history relates to Carla House. So there
was an application that was submitted this year for Antion House, but there's been some
misunderstanding with regards to the address details. So I just want to clarify that there
has been no applications for a children's home at Carla House, and this was meant to
be for Antion House. So I'd like that to be noted. And that was a section 192 application,
which is a certificate application, which the applicant sought a deemed consent to say
that it would be lawful from C3A to C3B. However, we regarded it as being unlawful because on
the certificate application, it requires that a residential carer would need to reside at
the premises 24 hours, and that should be their primary living space. So if that can
be noted, please. Thank you. Can I just confirm the previous one that was unlawful, that was
for exactly the same premises? It was exactly the same thing, yes. Nothing has happened
with next door at Carla House? No, there's no applications at Carla House, and that is
still in single family dwelling house. Thank you. Okay, so the existing property is a two
storey, semi-detached, four bedroom house. And as I said, the care home would be for
three children between the ages of 10 and 17 years of age. So this is the site location,
and that's the aerial image. So originally, this was a detached property, and over a period
of time, it's been subdivided into a pair of semi-detached properties. So the one on
the right-hand side is Carla House, and to the left is the subject property, Antion House.
Again, site photographs. Members have been out on site visit. So this is the rear elevation
and this is the garden. This is the existing and the proposed ground floor plan. So the
layout is that there is a reception, one kitchen, dining at ground floor level. And then you
have one bedroom and a staff room at first floor level. And then there is two bedrooms
within the loft space. So a detailed statement has been provided by the applicant displaying
the need for a children's care home, as well as a detailed schedule of staff and general
activities. It's proposed that 10 members of staff will be employed with a maximum of
three members of staff at any one time at the premises, so the children will be manned
24 hours a day. And between two free shifts, changes per day will happen. So most of staff
would travel by public transport, with the bulk of the children's activities executed
internally by staff. We have consulted environmental health, highways officers, NHS and children's
services, and there have been no objections to the proposed use. Considering its setting
as well as information provided by the applicant, the need for a children's care home, albeit
at the loss of a residential dwelling, has been identified. The applicant has also confirmed
the children's home will house children from Barnet social services. However, their services
will also be offered to neighbouring boroughs. The children's care home on balance is considered
acceptable, in principle and character. With regards to impacts on neighbouring amenity,
given the total number of children and staff at any one time, the occupancy level of care
home would be the same as that of a residential dwelling house living as one family household,
therefore would not result in any over intensification of use of the site. The children's care home
would benefit children requiring care. The recommendation is to approve the application.
Thank you chair. We have Stulman Rahman is reading an objection
from Jimmy Hakim I think. Mr Rahman is here. And is there somebody else who wishes to speak
on this? Sorry. I had down here there may be another person, but have we got your name?
You're not an objector, you're not registered as a speaker. No, but you haven't put in your
objections and said that you're willing to speak, so you're not registered as a speaker,
I'm afraid. Jimmy Hakim is registered as an objector and Stulman Rahman is reading his
objections. Okay. Sorry, is that alright? Is there a difficulty with language?
No. I have here Mr Rahman is going to speak. As with the previous one, we won't be able
to ask your questions because you're speaking on behalf of the objector, Jimmy Hakim, but
if you can read his statement, we'll hear that. You'll have three minutes to read the
statement and you'll be given a warning when you have a minute left. Thank you. Yes.
Hello. Good evening. Thank you very much for giving me a chance to speak. My name is Mr
Rahman. I've lived on this random person for 34 years. Jimmy's been my neighbor for 20
years. Mina's been my neighbor for about five, six years now, five years now, you know. We
all know each other. It's a nice residential road. The whole road, you know, is single
dwelling, single family homes. Yes, I forgot. No, Jimmy Hakim. No, no, I'm speaking on behalf
of Jimmy Hakim. We've known each other for 20 years. So, you know, very nice road and
the applicant's already been using this place as a children's, quote, children's home for
a while now. Right. And it's been an absolute nightmare. You know, a young man has come
out of the house, spat on my daughter's car, and she sat there crying, called my son to
help her. Right. A young man has come, chased my son into our house, up to the driveway.
You know, the number of time police have come. Right. It's unbelievable. A nice, quiet road.
It's been a nightmare. There's an alleyway in front of my house. Right. I can see young
people from the house go into the alleyway, buy drugs, go back to the house. One time,
a young lady bought some stuff from a dealer into the alleyway that's in front of my house,
came and hid behind, because they can't take it into the house, she hid behind my car in
my driveway. And I, you know, have it on CCTV, put foil and put a lighter under it. And I
asked my son, what's she doing? And my son said, she's doing crack cocaine on our driveway.
You know, it's been hell. You know, I don't know what they make out to be. One evening,
someone came out of the house and said, we've lost someone. Have you seen this person of
such and such a description? She was running up and down the road. You know, people wondering,
honestly, the sort of impression they give, you know, you have one minute remaining. Yes.
Yes. The police have been there daily. It's a nightmare. People don't have any idea what
this means. It's not 10 year old children, people bigger than me, wandering down the
street, you know, at night. They have no control of the situation. You know, I'm living with
it. My daughters live with it. My son's been threatened into our house. We're living with
it. You know, I don't know what your theories are, but we're living with the reality of
it. We didn't pay millions of pounds to live in this street. When we bring this type of
people to opposite us, we didn't do that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We're not able to speak.
You wouldn't live like that. Have you anything more to say on behalf of Mr. Hacking? Yeah.
He said also it's completely out of character with the road. Okay. Completely. That's time.
Thank you. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. And then we have the applicant, Mr. Asefa.
Asefa. No, no, because he was speaking on behalf of the objector, so you can't answer
the questions. Mr. Asefa, if you'd like to go. If you can introduce yourself, then you
have three minutes to speak. I'll be giving a warning when you have a minute left. Sure.
Good evening, everybody. Thank you for having me here. My name is Asefa. I'm the director
of the Children's Home. So I have 10 years of experience in running Children's Homes.
We're an Ofsted regulated good provider. We have probably about five Children's Homes
within London and about 30 other semi-independent placements in and around London as far down
south up north to Harrow. In regards to the complaints from the gentleman behind the neighbour,
we have had no women, no female children in the home. So I'm not sure where they could
have come from. So our placements that we've had in the past have been only males. Another
incident he mentioned was there were big people adults. We're Ofsted regulated, so we're only
allowed to have children within the certain ages that we're permitted to, which is, in
our case, 10 to 15-year-olds. So I'm not sure of these incidences. I believe he said that
his son or somebody was attacked, perhaps, or I believe he said somebody was attacked.
I've had no police records or incidences or anything like this have come to us. Furthermore,
our neighbour is directly right next door at Carter House. There are young residents
there in the family, two or three sons, and we've had no incidents of them either. That's
all I have to say. I'm open for any questions.
Questions, Councillor Callick.
Yeah. Can I just have some clarification? Have you been using this property as a children's
home prior to this application?
Yes, so prior to this application, we have had residents there.
And for how long?
Probably about a year. Well, I couldn't give you the specific date. I think probably it's
going to be December 23, January 24.
Thank you.
Councillor Roberts.
Thank you. I think you're touching. You said that you've not had any specific complaints
from the police about misbehaviour disruption at this care home.
So what I said was in regards to the attack on the gentleman's son, my understanding was
he said his son was attacked or his son was approached, which is what he said, I believe.
We've had no complaints in regards to that. We haven't heard anything in regards to that.
When we first moved on to the street, we introduced ourselves. I actually did it myself. I introduced
myself to my neighbours and myself and my colleague. This is the first two days of moving
in. In regards to the police, police have been called to the placements in the past
by ourselves. I'm not sure if police have been called by neighbours, but police have
been called by ourselves. And we have had those police cab numbers. And this is when
we've had to ask the police to move young people. And so if any young person has been
an issue or concern to the home, we end our placements and ask the police to take them
to, back to social services. And that has happened in the past when the child has been
a nuisance, no nuisance, excuse me, but has caused problems in the home and we have had
to, you know, end our contracts.
How often has that been the case?
That's -- I've ended a contract once.
Just once?
Sorry, twice, twice, two different contracts within that home, yes.
So the objector was implying, or seemed to be implying, that this was taking place on
a regular basis?
So this here was prior six months or seven months. So this is, well, this was up to probably
March, February, March. And what happened was we had to do a risk assessment and we
decided which type of residence we would like to work with and which type of residence we
don't want to work with. So I'm sure the neighbours also confirmed there hasn't been any issues
since probably February, March of this year upon our new risk assessment.
Mr Barnes.
Can I just ask what sort of needs the -- I mean, it may have changed after your reassessment,
but what sort of needs these children do have who you are housing in this property?
So moving forward now after our risk assessment, to be clear?
So the young people now coming after our risk assessment are typically between 10 and 13
years of age. So once again, they're not coming from units, no more secure units, which is
where some of them were coming from prior. Now it's young people who are not able to
live with their parents, have come from domestic violence, domestic violence homes, and now
taking them in to protect them in their not-home homes. That's upon our risk assessment.
Okay, Councillor Conway. I'd like to ask you a bit more. So you've been running for about
a year, you said. In January, the ruling came that you were running unlawfully, that you
were operating the children's home unlawfully, but you're still doing it. You haven't ceased
between then.
So the placement's been running while the application's been going and we're just waiting
for information, because we were told that we should have, to be honest with you, I believe
this is the application being put on hold by the planner, and we were told that we should
have got a notification by March gone. So we've just been waiting for the update, and
only just recently, while it's been told that it's been pushed to committee now.
The application for planning was put on hold?
Yes, because the initial application was a law for development application, because all
our replacements have been law for development. So we had started our law for development
application. We were then told that we need to now go for a full planning application,
which we're initially unaware of, which we started, and from then we've still been a
placement.
And are you registered with Ofsted?
Yes, we are registered with Ofsted.
Is there a view about, I mean, you're probably operating not quite long enough maybe to have
an inspection yet, but you must have had communication with them through your registration, so how
is that?
So our placements up to now, which are the placements we've now stopped at DOLS, they're
DOLS applications, yes, so under DOLS applications we were able to run the service without the
application date of the registration.
I'm quite sure I understand that. My other one is about how you're running it, looking
at what you submitted about the activities, the staffing and the activities that are provided.
The children who are there seem to be not going to school, but having one hour a day
or two hours a day of educational activity with care staff. So should they not be going
to school? What is the situation with the children that you're looking after there?
So placements, referrals, excuse me, referrals could come at any time within the year. Academic
school would perhaps allow you to come in either September or perhaps in January, so
if it's a case where it's in July and, let's say for example, if you're taking a referral
in July, you can't actually place them until September, so what we do is we homeschool
them until the next entry for schools.
One of the activities that showed them just having educational activity for two hours
a day, no schooling, I didn't mention them going to school at all, but they will be going
to school, will they? From now, they've been registered with schools and they're going
to school?
So for example, I'll give you a case. So there'll be, for example, a case would be where a young
person may have come during a period where there was no more entries to school. We would
then homeschool them until we can get them back into school. What we'll do is call in
somebody to come and call in a tuition to come into the placement and give them tuition
within the homes, or activities within the community.
Yes, I'm not really clear about all of this. What age are the three children, three boys
that are there at the moment?
Ten to fifteen.
Not clear, I'm not sure, but I have enough questions at the moment. Any other questions,
Councillor?
Would you like me to make anything clear at all?
So are these children under 24-hour supervision?
Correct, yes.
Overnight supervision?
Correct, two members of staff.
Okay, all right, thank you.
Okay, thank you very much.
I'm sorry, you're not able to say any more, thank you. If I can ask the officers if you
can clarify about the operation of this care home, how that reflects on application for
planning permission?
Well, the operation of the care home is under 24-hour supervision, so there will be, as
the gentleman said, two members of staff on the premises throughout day and night. So
the children that are in care will be supervised throughout the day and night, basically.
I'm not clear that this home is run properly or effectively from what we've heard, but
is that something we can take into account in an application for planning or not?
Well, as far as I'm concerned, the application was for a proposed use, but it appears that
the use began when the certificate of application came in, because this application was submitted
in January, and the certificate was made unlawful in January, so it appears that they've obviously
began use back then. But obviously we wouldn't hear of problems, and we have consulted environmental
health, and normally if there are any issues and complaints from the neighbours, normally
we would consult environmental health with regards to unsocial behaviour, but I'm not
aware of any unsocial behaviour taking place at the premises.
I'm sorry, I can't hear any more from you.
Just very briefly, also the Speaker said it was registered with Ofsted, and so some of
the issues you're talking about are potentially Ofsted, the issues that would be reported
as regards to management of the home going forward, so your decision tonight relates
to any planning issues.
So I think you've just answered that, but I've just googled the Ofsted report on this
company, and it requires improvement to be good. Are we saying that we can't take that
into account when getting rid of a family, single dwelling family home on a road which
is generally family to be taken by a company which, as Ofsted has said, requires improvement
to be good? Where does it fall into planning, where does it fall into safeguarding?
In my opinion that doesn't, for example, if it was a school and they needed improving
at the loss, you wouldn't be refusing the application relating to the school, and it's
the same. So I'm not saying it's not an issue, or a potential issue, sorry, but it's, as
far as I'm concerned, that's for another agency to deal with.
This is where my difficulty comes, because from what we've heard from the Ofsted report
and from the owner and operator of this home, it does appear to be not running very well
as a home. And I'm concerned that we give planning permission for operation to a home
that isn't running effectively.
This is a planning application.
It's a planning application, yes. I have concern for the children who live there.
And if Brigitte was still here, Director of Children's Services, I think she'll probably
say that Barnet would not be placing children in a facility that's only rated as requires improvement.
So this is a planning application we're dealing with, and that's it?
As I say, we need to decide whether this location is a suitable location for this sort of establishment,
and we need to disregard any problems that there may or may not be with the organisation.
Sorry, as Councillor Barnes just said, its decision is whether this is a suitable location for us.
Now, taking into account, can we take into account the occurrences that happened to decide
whether this is a suitable location?
As I said, it is time to off state, just like it was the education, and I do not think you can.
And also, you don't have that evidence in front of you. You've heard from it.
And I'm not disputing what was said, but a lot of what was said does not necessarily, or maybe all,
relate to the house. That's not a reason for refusal. Those are other issues.
Anti-social behaviour can be an issue for the police or other organisations,
but it is not necessarily, and I don't think in this case, a planning issue.
I think we need to look at the mixed character of the area, and decide whether the change of use
would be within keeping with the mixed character. So there are flats and HMOs already existing.
It's within very close proximity to public transport, local facilities, the underground station.
So the officers consider that this will be in characteristics, although there are residential,
but the actual premises will also be used as if it's one single family house,
because there wouldn't be any more than six people living together at any one time.
So there is no intensification of use of the premises.
Thank you. So there's nothing else. We will go to a vote. The officers are recommending approval.
All those in favour of approval. Two. Those against. One. Two not voting.
So this application is approved.
This application has been approved on planning terms. Thank you.
We have finished with this item. If you heard what was being said, we've carefully considered planning consideration.
Thank you.
Thank you. We're going to we're now we're going to move on now.
We're moving. Thank you. We have the decision has been made.
It's now nine o'clock and we're going to move on.
I hope you heard from the discussion that you're not.
It's five, eight minutes past night and take a very brief comfort break for three minutes.
Good evening, all. Hello. We're having comfort. I'm not my call.
Good evening, all. So this application is that Edgwarebury Road proposing variations of condition four related to the levels of a grant permission for an 18 hole golf course.
So the amendments are due to, you know, safety reasons.
They require slight alterations to hold six, eight, nine and 18.
So the application outline boundary is this area here.
Used to be a mix of our farm land and now it's, you know, the implement the ground permission has been implemented in so far as that ground works and excavation works have taken place.
So the scheme is extended.
So this is a site photograph facing south, which is in the top portion of the site here where that pond is.
You can see that there. This is facing west towards the A41. Just for context, sorry, the site is bounded by the M1 to the north.
Edgwareway to the west. Facing east.
So on the drawings here on the left, this is part of the approved application on the right is the current proposal.
So you can see some slight cosmetic changes, namely the ponds, but there are some some level changes that take place across the cross section of the site.
I mean, the variations are minor to the degree you can barely distinguish between proposed levels and approved levels.
So the red line at the top of the screen there, that is the proposed and in and amongst it, you can, the approved one is there as well.
Variations are minor, but sufficient enough to require planning permission.
So this cross section here follows this line across the site.
So no changes have taken place to the approved application, so the scheme of the principal of the golf course is acceptable.
No changes there. No impacts and neighboring amenities.
Additional information was required in terms of ecological information, but that's been provided and that would be conditioned to ensure compliance.
No objections raised by internal or external consultees.
So we are recommending approval subject to a deed of variation, which is to basically transfer the legal, the heads of terms, the legal agreement into this current application.
So that legal agreement included the travel plan of which the monitoring contribution has already been paid in full, ecological information, which I just mentioned earlier.
Alongside that, what is it? It's to ensure, so there was an equestrian business on site.
And as part of that, they needed to secure a suitable location and an associated lease.
So they fulfilled that and have agreed to that to 2029.
So as such, we are recommending approval subject to a legal agreement.
Does anyone have any questions?
Thank you. We have one speaker on this, Robert Husband. Mr Husband is here.
The applicant is not here, or the agent. So have members any questions or comments to make on this?
Otherwise, we will go straight to the vote.
The officer's recommendation is for approval. All those in favour of approval.
That's all. This application is approved.
Thank you very much.
The next item is Roman House.
Thank you, Chair.
The application is for Roman House, which is a four storey building at 296 Golders Green Road.
It's currently in use partly as offices, but also as a health medical facility run by HCA Healthcare in conjunction with the Wellington Hospital, whose main base is in St John's Wood.
The proposal is a part four, part five storey side and rear extension to continue the medical use as an additional storey on top of the existing building, together with associated works.
So this is the location plan.
So this is the north circular up here. So it's one of the first buildings on the left as you come away from the north circular. This is the building here.
Backs onto these blocks of flats at James close to the rear here and riverside is a block of flats on this side. Opposite, there's a redevelopment to provide a new synagogue. And then this is 125 Princes Parade, which has also got planning permission for redevelopment up to four or five storeys.
The site here is the site of 290294 Golders Green Road, which has permission for development of 111 flats. As far as I'm aware, work has not yet started on that scheme.
So as you can see, the context are, as we saw on site yesterday, four storey buildings are the norm in the area.
So here we go. This is riverside drive here. Block of flats, that's the north circular. And this is the front view of the existing house. And these are the blocks at James Court to the rear.
Along here, you'll see this treed verge at the rear of the site. That's the decoy brook. And in fact, that part of the site lies within flood zone three.
These are some site photographs here. So this is the entrance of the site. This is the building car park. And this is the relationship to riverside drive flats.
And that's a view from inside the site, looking to the rear.
Photograph at the front showing existing disabled parking spaces and a view from standing in the rear, looking back up towards Golders Green Road.
As you can see, the site slopes from south to north. That's the current entrance.
And that's the rear context showing, looking back up towards Golders Green Road. This is the building. And then this is riverside drive.
You can see a number of windows and balconies which serve those blocks of flats.
This is the existing elevation. This is just an example of or image of the approved development next door, which I say hasn't yet commenced.
But you can see the relative scales of the adjoining sites.
That's the side elevation facing riverside drive. And the rear elevation with the brook at the back.
The existing lower ground floor, which has got accommodation towards the rear here and the parking area.
This shows you decoy brook and that existing treed verge, which provides a buffer zone to the brook and the existing ground floor.
First and second, third and fourth floors and the roof plan.
So the proposed building. So this is the additional floor which would be put on top of the existing building.
Then this is the four storey extension to the side, which also wraps around to the rear.
But again, you can see its steps would step up from the property on the left hand side at riverside, but would still be lower than the approved development next door.
So this would be the side elevation facing riverside drive.
It's easier to see from the floor plan, but the actual side extension here is set back in the front of the building.
So it has a more subservient appearance in the front. These windows here would all be obscure glazed.
There's no possibility of overlooking of the riverside drive flats and balconies.
This is the rear renovation that you'd see from James Close,
although there is a quite significant tree screen along the back boundary here. This is the proposed lower ground.
So this is the existing building here, and this is the proposed lower ground which has sort of service accommodation.
It's also going to have below, if I go up to ground floor, the car parking area, which is going to be on a raised deck at the back to try and minimize digging and foundations within the buffer zone alongside the brook.
But the ground floor obviously for the main building here, the new accommodation and then the parking area and the servicing arrangements to serve the new building.
So in terms of appearance and design, this is the original, quite an unusual shaped building.
This is mirrored in the new building to try and articulate this elevation, so it's not just a blank elevation, sort of similar recessed areas and cut-ins have been accommodated as on the existing building.
So this is the proposed first and second floor.
Similarly, this is the third floor and a void area is retained out here between the two buildings.
And this is the fourth floor.
And then as we go up to the top level, there's that new fifth floor.
Sorry, that's the fifth floor, which is on the existing building only. The new extension to the side and rear is up to four floors.
So this is a CGI. So the red brick is the existing building.
This is the new building, which would be in a buff brick, so a bit of a contrast.
As I said, it's set back from the front elevation, so it appears more subordinate to the main building, rather than bringing it up in line with the front elevation.
And this area here is that additional story to be built on top of the existing building.
And the two roof elements will be bronze, zinc clad and that will tie the two buildings together at roof level.
And that's another CGI, as you see from Golders Green Road on the opposite side of the road.
Again, showing the unbuilt development next door to this side and the existing riverside flats to this side.
And that's a view of the side extension.
So the key considerations are that the building is lawfully in use for medical and health care use.
It's essentially a diagnostic and a centre providing outpatient facilities, physiotherapy, cardiology, various services.
It's obviously run privately, but takes a lot of patients from the Wellington Hospital in St. John's Wood.
This is effective, this kind of outpatient department, so there's no A&E, there's no acute services here, no ambulances or anything like that going in and out.
It's just for outpatient appointments.
There's no loss in commercial floor space, obviously, and there's no proposed in principle objection to increasing the floor space for this much needed facility.
One of the other opportunities it creates is to relocate a very local NHS GP surgery from Finchley Road who have outgrown their building and need to relocate.
They can be accommodated in this building.
And it would also accommodate the increased demand for the services provided by the centre as set out by the Wellington Hospital in letters of support for the application.
The side extension is set back, set down, appears subordinate, although obviously it's a large extension, it does appear subordinate in scale to the existing building when seen from the road frontage.
There are no extensions on the side of the building adjacent to Golders Green building next door at 290.
The side extension is set away by a minimum of 15.7 metres at ground floor extending up to 17 on the upper floors from Riverside Drive, which officers consider provides adequate separation between those buildings so as to maintain outlook for Riverside Drive residents.
And at the rear there's a buffer of nearly 18 metres between the proposal and nearest building at James Close.
A sunlight and daylight report was submitted, which shows negligible or very insignificant impacts to a very small number of windows, particularly at Riverside Drive, but not considered to have caused significant detriment to the light experienced by those residents.
If I can just draw members attention to the addendum, which contains the original recommendation one, which requires a legal agreement for travel plan contributions, review of CPZ contributions, which have been recommended by the highways officers and also a carbon offset contribution.
Thank you.
Thank you. We have one speaker on this, Daniel Austin.
If you'd like to turn your microphone on.
There's a picture of the face.
If you can introduce yourself, you have three minutes to speak, you'll be given a warning when you have one minute left.
Yes, I'm Daniel Austin, I've lived at five James Close for the last 32 years. So I've got quite a good memory of the developers. This is not a new issue. The developers have been trying their utmost to develop the land as much as possible and put up the biggest possible building they can get away with.
From my flat at the rear of the building, the proposed site, it's five James Close, I will lose probably about two hours of sunshine into my flat during the summer.
During the winter, the sun doesn't get high enough. Together with the development proposal of 292 Golders Green Road, there will be what would look like a complete overdevelopment and a brick wall around the semicircular site of James Close.
I'm also worried that the development intrudes on the brook, which is subject to flooding, decoy brook, and there is a legal covenant whereby the developers are not allowed to develop within two to three metres of the top of the bank, not the water, the top of the bank off the brook,
because our block of flats sold the land to the current developers some decades ago.
And if you look back through the history of Roman House developments, you'll know that we've basically been opposing their developments and proposals for the last 25 years, certainly since, well, in my memory.
I'm also old enough to remember, I've lived long enough to remember the original residents said that they told me some time ago that the top floor of Roman House and the unusual shape of Roman House, which was alluded to by the planning officer,
is due to the fact that when they were given permission to put up Roman House, the developer or the owner simply ignored the three-storey proposal. It was originally meant to be three storeys, Roman House.
They simply ignored all the council prohibitions and went and stuck another fourth storey on top of the building.
I don't object completely to the development, actually. I've used a Wellington house, I've actually used the services in there. I'm just worried about the fact that it encroaches on the brook.
That's time, thank you.
Any questions, Councillor Conway?
The report mentions that a daylight, daylight, overshadowing report has been undertaken and that is negligible. Any loss is negligible.
Well, nobody's contacted me and there's been nobody on my balcony or on my neighbour's balconies, as far as I'm concerned.
The report only mentions Riverside Drive. It doesn't mention the developer, the developing officers. I don't think it has visited James Close and she hasn't mentioned loss of light or James Close.
You've mentioned at the moment you only get two hours of sunlight during the winter.
I don't get any sunlight in winter because the sun's too low.
Right. So, is this going to make things worse, you're saying?
Well, in summer, and I keep a lot of flowers on my balcony, truth able as it may be, but it is nice to have the sun at least for six months of the year, March to September shining into my room.
Can you show us exactly where you are?
I've got two blocks there, James.
Have you got a pointless stick? Yeah, not that block, the next block. That's it. And I'm facing south west towards Roman House and I've seen all the goings on.
Which floor are you on?
I'm on the first floor at the rear. Not the ground, but the first floor.
Facing that way?
Facing south west. I look right at Roman House.
There's a brook and a lot of trees and greenery between, but you still think that's going to impact on you?
Yeah, and on the gardens of James Close. I've no real objection to the development other than the fact that it just needs to be shifted back a bit.
OK, thank you. Thank you very much.
Then we have the agent, Lewis Westhoff.
Thank you, Mr Westhoff. And again, if you can introduce yourself, you have three minutes to speak and we'll give you a warning when you have one minute left.
My name is Lewis Westhoff. I'm the planning agent and I work at a company called Icini Projects.
Firstly, thank you all for your time. I'm absolutely delighted to speak this evening in support of this planning application for Roman House.
It's been a privilege to work on this project with the applicant, the wider design team and most importantly with officers throughout the council through a very detailed pre-application process and assessment process.
And this is Col Med and us being here this evening to discuss a project that we're all really enthusiastic about.
And one that, if it's granted planning commission, will deliver a significant number of planning benefits, particularly to the health and well-being of the local community.
The applicant of this project is Mr David Rosenberg. He's a local resident and business owner and has really made it his personal mission to see Roman House become a medical facility and centre of excellence.
He's been working very closely with the principal tenant HCA Healthcare or the Wellington Hospital, as officers mentioned, to expand and operate their diagnostic centre on site since 2006.
It's now a real success story and it's done some great things for the local community throughout COVID and again, and it's great that they wish to stay on site in the future.
And his passion and drive is really why we're here this evening. The proposal that we've prepared will really cater for the long-term needs of the Wellington Hospital on site.
It'll provide some fit-for-purpose modern space, but more importantly, as officers mentioned too, it'll enable Dr Adler to relocate on site as well and provide them with some real purpose-built facilities as well.
And ideally, that's going to be closer to his existing catchment of patients.
So the scheme we've designed will cater for both public and private services and we see this as a scheme that's going to benefit all walks of the community.
But it's not only these great benefits that the scheme will deliver. We've also sought to go above and beyond in many other ways in terms of planning policy.
You have one minute remaining.
Thank you. We're delivering an architectural approach that is context-driven with high-quality materials and the use of appropriate setbacks and design measures to protect the community of our neighbors.
We have done a detailed daylight/sunlight report that has considered James close both with this scheme and the extant scheme next door.
We're retaining all trees on site and complementing this with 65 new trees, shrubs and other planting to improve biodiversity and ecology outcomes on site.
We're delivering an urban greening factor of 0.43 and a biodiversity net gain in excess of 12%.
We've also thought about the amenity of our closer neighbors on Riverside Drive.
We've looked at providing some obscure glazing on those windows, too, to ensure that an appropriate relationship is there.
And parking's obviously been another consideration, too, and we've delivered a parking quantum on site that's specifically based on the proposed operation of the facility.
And we're also providing dedicated pick-up and drop-off facilities at the front of the site.
That's time. Thank you.
Thank you. I'm happy to answer any other questions you have.
OK, thank you.
One of the concerns from this objection and from others who have written in is about the brook being so close to the brook.
So what if you could comment on the effects of that and the motivation of any flooding risk?
Yeah, so we've worked very closely with some engineers from Davies McGuire, and they've been engaging very closely with the local lead flood authority on that.
We specifically engage with them during the pre-application process because that rear 20% of the site is flood zone 3, which was mentioned before, too.
So we've been very careful about what sort of works would happen at the rear of the site, too.
And one of the things that the LLFA told us to do was to ensure that we have a five-meter buffer zone, which you can see in this image here, which is denoted by that sort of red hatch.
So all of our buildings at that lower ground floor or ground floor, if you're at the rear of the site, is set back from that buffer zone.
And I think one of the other real positives of this scheme, too, is we've designed a really excellent SUD scheme on site, too.
So we've really thought about how we can control surface water runoff and ensure that flood risk on other properties will be improved.
So we've got a series of attenuation tanks, which you can see there with that sort of blue hatched area in the car park there.
We've got blue roofs, green roofs, and additional landscaping, too.
And it will actually deliver 92% betterment than the current situation on site in terms of flood risk and runoff.
So that's something that we're very proud of.
So there is a five-meter buffer zone. We heard there should be three meters, but there is five meters.
That's correct. Yeah.
And we've sort of verified that through some detailed survey information as well.
So we're very confident about that.
And then I note that for Riverside Drive, you have all obscure glazed windows on that side, so it's not going to affect Riverside Drive.
But the rear there, as we've seen from James Close, especially with the new block that's going up at some point next door, whenever they get back to carrying out their planning commission,
it does look as though it's going to be enclosing and affecting James Close a lot.
So why don't you comment a bit more on that?
Yeah, well, I mean, we've thought very closely about James Close and all of our neighbours, really, in designing the scape.
So I think the closest point, which is the sort of the real sort of pointy end of James Close, is about 17.7 meters in terms of separation distances.
And I think it's about 21 meters to the closest balcony.
There is quite a large, I suppose, separation already if you sort of measure it on plan.
But I think members, you've all been on site as well.
It is a very, very dense, inverted green buffer that will be retained as well.
So there is that natural separation that's there.
Daylight, sunlight's been very, very important as well.
As we mentioned, we've really thought carefully about how the scape can, how we can optimise the scape whilst protecting the amenity.
So, as I said, we did a detailed report for James Close in particular, considering just this scheme in isolation, but also with the scheme next door at 290 to 294.
And it achieved 100% BRE compliance.
So we think that the scheme has a very appropriate relationship with James Close to the rear.
And the amenity of those residents and the gentleman that spoke earlier will be retained.
Where are the new trees you're going to be planting? Because we're taking some down along that bank, presumably.
Yeah, so a combination really. I think perhaps if, so there's a couple of things if you allow me to indulge you to in terms of what we did in some of the earlier iterations.
So the car parking deck that sort of runs along the western boundary, we previously proposed to continue that at grade.
But if we wanted to provide new surface in there, it would have unfortunately meant those trees along the boundary would have to be removed.
Because those roots would be impacted.
So we came up with an engineering solution to kind of keep that ramp going and all of those trees can be retained.
So by doing that, there's been the ability to plant some additional trees along that boundary.
Along the rear of the site as well, there's some existing kind of shrubs that would be removed and replaced and retained.
There'd be some additional planting along the eastern boundary.
And I think maybe if we're able to get a CGI up to lots of new landscaping along the frontage of the site too.
So the current front of the site is pretty poor. It has sort of bins there and quite an ugly gate.
So we've actually designed a nice sort of hard and soft landscape frontage there to the site too.
So yeah, we've sort of maximised as much as we can and on the roofs as well, where we've been able to, we've provided green roofs and blue roofs as well.
And also managed to squeeze some PV panels on there too.
A couple of us were wondering about, what's a blue roof? We know what a green roof is, so what's a blue roof?
So it's a very good question. I'm not an engineer, but the way it was explained to me was you've effectively got a green roof, which probably you're all aware of too.
And underneath that was almost kind of like an eggshell type, an egg carton type situation.
So that sits on the roof and then the green roof sits on top.
So when the water slowly filters through the green roof, it then sits in kind of the carton of eggs.
With the eggs out, the water would sit there and that would kind of slow the release of water leaving the site.
So it's a very interesting kind of model too.
And I've been told it really helps with the thermal performance of buildings too, because axe is a bit of an additional kind of insulation layer too.
Wondering if it was a lake or a swimming pool on the roof or something.
A bit more engineering in it.
Yes, final question. Is there something about GP surgery? Is this going to be an IHS GP surgery?
And has an agreement been, you don't have to say which surgery it is, but has that been separate?
Yes, so I'm happy to sort of mention it too. So Dr. Adler is about half a mile away on Finchley Road. He's in a converted semi-detached house with no disabled access, no pick-up drop-off facilities or anything like that whatsoever.
So as part of this scheme, as I mentioned, the applicants got a good relationship locally too and we're providing space within the scheme for them to relocate here.
So they'll now have the proper modern facilities, disabled access, proper pick-up and drop-off for those who need to get here.
It would also remain within walking distance for the majority of patients.
And there was a bit of a straw poll that was done by Dr. Adler too.
And I've been told that the majority of the patients would actually live closer to Roman House and the current Finchley Road site.
It's going to have community benefits very much as well. Thank you very much.
Yes. Any further questions? Sorry, I've been asking a lot. No, thank you very much.
Any further comments, questions? The officers? No, if we go to the vote on that one, then the officer's recommendation is for approval.
All those in favour of approval? That's all. That application is approved.
I'll try and do at least one more before we say we're going to move on.
So the next one is 1 Daphne closed.
Thank you, Chair. This item relates to number 1 Daphne closed. It's part of the Dolis Valley redevelopment site, which is complete.
The proposal is for, should I come in? The proposal is for part single but two storey rear extension.
The members have also been out on the site visit. This is the site location plan.
And this is the aerial photograph of when the development was actually under construction.
Unfortunately, Google Images don't give us the complete development as it's fairly new.
This is the proposed block plan, and that's where the extension is going.
So this is the house, that's the site. This is Brent Place on the right hand side and Aphrodite Court apartments to the left.
Site photographs. This is facing onto Brent Place.
This one again faces onto Brent Place. Brent Place is sited at a higher level and the application site is at a lower level.
This is the rear elevation of the property and this is the front elevation of the property.
So there's more site photographs. So we have Aphrodite Court apartments, which is a fair distance away from the boundary of the application site.
And again, this is facing to the rear part of Aphrodite Court apartments.
And same with this. So these are the existing and proposed ground floor plans.
So that's the existing and the proposal is to extend three point eight metres deep and across fifteen point nine metres wide,
which is across the whole width of the property with a flat roof design approximately three point two metres high.
This is the first floor planned. This is the existing and the first floor again would be three point eight metres deep and it's five point three metres wide.
Existing and proposed rear elevations. This is where the first floor extension is.
It's five point nine metres to each side and it's approximately six point four metres to the overall pitch.
The officers have consulted with the design team and is the view of the officers that the design of the proposal relates well to the existing dwelling house.
There has been objections where Brent Place has sort of objected with regards to overlooking and loss of privacy.
There is a new window that's been proposed within the first floor elevation facing Brent Place.
However, yes, this is the elevation that faces onto Brent Place. There is an existing window that's facing Brent Place.
And as I said earlier on, the siting of Brent Place is at a higher level and this is a lower level, so there would be no overlooking and the existing window is already there.
There's no overlooking from that. So the actual proposed window would go in the flank elevation of the first floor, first floor extension.
It is noted that there has been a tree that's been felled, which was part of the original development, which was considered to be kept.
However, unfortunately, that's been felled. But there is a condition that's attached to this permission.
If the members are minded to approve the application this evening, that a condition will be attached for replacement planting an appropriate size.
The tree will be planted in the rear garden to replace what's been lost, basically.
So just to run through the PowerPoint slide proposed side elevations.
And this is the additional window that's looking towards Brent Place.
That's the existing. So there will be no additional adverse overlooking impacts to those residential properties cited on Brent Place.
OK, so just to summarise, the overall design works well with the main house, which the main house is of a modern alternative nature.
It's considered that it would add architectural interest to the rear renovation by having a pitch route.
The extension would be suited for distance by 4.3 metres from the boundary of numbers 38 and 38 Brent Place, which are, as I said, on a higher level.
Thus, it would not lead to a loss of light or overshadowing or overlooking and car park courtyard buffer zone measuring at least 10.6 metres would separate between the proposed and Aphrodite court apartments with views towards them through the proposed.
First of all, window achieved at limited oblique angles.
The officers recommend approval subject to conditions. Thank you.
Thank you.
One speaker.
Oh, sorry.
If you can introduce yourself, you have three minutes to speak.
Sure.
Good evening.
Before I mean more to the main topic of this red extension, I would just like to clarify one thing about the tree.
The tree was removed after getting permission from council.
Once we had the word.
So I was talking with the tree, which was removed, which is the main cause of comments which received the objections.
Now, the tree was removed after getting the permission from the council.
Now, many of the complaints, they think that it was removed to make space for this red extension, but that was not the case.
The tree was already faltering and in December last year, one of the branches, no clues, and it was almost fell on the shoulder of the sun was playing in the garden.
That's when the owners decided to get rid of the tree.
Now, coming back to the extensions.
Well, I don't have much to say, as you have said about the elevations and the distance from the proposed extension to the adjacent flats.
You can see that the proposal harmonises nicely with the existing elevations.
The extension by no means hinders anyone's light or view.
Yeah, so that's it.
Nothing more.
If you have any questions.
Thank you.
Any questions?
No. Thank you very much.
Any further questions or comments, the officers?
No. Should we go to the vote then? The officer's recommendations for approval.
All those in favour of approval.
That's all. That application is approved.
We have two items left and it's five to ten.
The constitution says that these meetings should finish at ten.
But I'm authorising that we can go on until a maximum of ten thirty.
So the next item is 811 High Road.
Hi, good evening. So I'm here to present an application for change of use of retail unit into new restaurants and one smaller retail unit at 811 High Road.
So the application site concerns the ground floor commercial unit for three store of a three storey building formerly occupied by Flying Tiger.
The application site is within the town centre, is designated as primary retail frontage.
The application site is also identified as a retail zone in the North Finchley town centre framework.
So here's a site photo showing the front, rear and internal.
So following the committee members' visit on the 2nd of September,
it was observed that the dividing wall has been erected inside the proposed restaurant, which appeared to have subdivided the unit.
The applicant has confirmed that this wall will be removed in the event of approval.
So members are minded that there is a forward proposition on the previous approved scheme to simplify the existing Class E into two Class E units,
in which the principle of development is considered acceptable.
Therefore, the key considerations is that for this application is the impact of the proposed restaurant with the re-aducting in terms of characters, neighbours amenities, highway and waste management.
So this is the layout and the proposal will lead to the subdivision of the existing 160 square metre unit into two smaller units of 47 square metre supermarket and a 55 square metre restaurant.
And this is the front elevation and the short alterations to the short front is deemed acceptable.
And the ducting would be placed on the southern block of the building where the red arrow is.
And it's 1.5 metre taller than the ridge line, but it's quite 25 metre away from the front facade, which is not quite visible.
And therefore the ducting would not look disproportionately in scale, massing and design.
So the impact on neighbours amenities, so it is noted that the ducting would be located near to the residential flats above,
but our environmental health offices have viewed the noise impact assessment and the order management plan and it was deemed acceptable subject to conditions.
And it's also the opening hours of the shops and the restaurant would be controlled and there would not be any seating arrangement for the restaurants.
So therefore we just want to reiterate that we have got a full position on the previous approved schemes
and we noted that there's a lot of concerns related to the introduction of hot food takeaway and that would lead to unhealthy diet.
But this proposal is not for hot food takeaway as it will fall into a sui generis use class.
And if they would like to have hot food takeaway, they have to submit a further plan application for it.
So therefore the application is recommended for approval, subject to conditions. Thank you.
Do you have one speaker? Oh no, it's just the applicant. No, the object is the applicant.
If you can turn the microphone on, there's a face image.
Can you see the face? That's it. Introduce yourself and you have three minutes to speak and you'll be given a warning when you have one minute left.
My name is Arunesh and I'm the owner and director of Bus Periperi Limited. This application was originally filed back in December.
Then it was requested for withdrawal due to the application wouldn't be successful.
Then we reapplied with all the recommendation from the council being modified.
And in terms of the extraction ducting, the ducting will only have an outer layer.
There will be no noise as the silencer will be installed and there will be no any pollution or any sort because there will be filters and everything which will be installed inside the shop.
So there will be no mess, no noise, any disturbance to neighbours in any way. As well as in terms of the food, the business is proposed for a healthy Periperi grilled food.
There's not any oil involved in terms of the side of it, just a healthy alternative food for the high street.
This business approval will provide at least 15 to 20 jobs for the locals and the approval means it's good for the community and the area.
There's no harm in any way for any reason. Thank you for the opportunity and I'm happy to answer any questions.
Thank you. Any questions? It was very useful having the sight of it yesterday and seeing what's being done there.
I think we saw a lot of what we need to see. Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Can I just confirm with you when you say no take away?
I mean, it's mostly a restaurant to sit down and eat the restaurant, but they will be doing take away as well.
So when we consider a restaurant, normally they will do take away, but we've got seating.
So the premises would be majority providing seats for customers.
That's why we will not consider it as a hot food take away.
And also the condition seven about it shall have no seating arrangement.
We were told earlier that meant seating outside on the pavement rather than inside. Can that be clarified?
It's not clear here. Correct.
I think the conditions could be amended as external seatings.
That could be amended. Yeah, I think that needs to be clear.
Thank you. Any further questions or comments? No.
Then we'll go to the vote on that one. The offices recommend approval.
All those in favor. That's all that application is approved.
I mean, that goes to the last item. One three eight high road.
Hi. So I'm here to present the application at one three eight high road for the conversion of existing building into three self-contained units.
Flats including first and second floor retention. So previous application were refused at the committee for the conversion of existing building into three units already.
But this scheme is currently the previous refusal scheme is currently contested at appeal.
And this resubmission has reduced in size and number of total occupants, which would be discussed at later section.
So this application site is on the eastern side of the high road near a junction of the Leicester Road and is within East Finchley Road.
The property is comprised of a commercial use for a Thai restaurant formerly and now is vacant.
So this is the existing and proposed block plan and some aerial photos and site photos internally and externally.
So this is the site I've taken on the first floor on the neighbors to the right, which is number one three six eight and offices were not able to gain access to what our number one three six B on the second floor.
But this photo was extracted from the previous application and looked at that number one three six eight and B were not considered a fully functioned self-contained unit as they shared a communal bathroom.
So there are two reasons that was refused at the committee previously is due to the character and impacted neighbors and also failed to enter a legal agreement to mitigate the highways and car parking impacts of proposed development.
So I'm here to try to compare the two schemes.
So previously there is two number of two bathroom three person units, eight person in total, and now the current scheme would be providing for three one bad two person units, which leave about six person.
So this is the comparison on the ground floor and the existing one, the previous refusal one and the current scheme.
So that's not much of the changes on the ground floor level.
But on the first floor, you could tell there's a set in by two meter on the side and the rebuilding line is projected up to the one aligned to number one four zero.
And this rooftop roof level is the same set in by two meter on the side and aligned to the boundary of 140.
And no changes to the front compared to the previous refusal scheme.
But you could tell from the size and it's significantly reduced.
And this is the section plan comparison.
So offices are considered that the proposal has reduced in size and depth and numbers of occupants and that there are dual aspect nature of the kitchen in the first floor flat and on balance that would be fine as acceptable level of outlook and light to the neighbors.
And in terms of the previous concern on poor amenity for the occupants is noted that that's the first floor and second floor internal space are measured 55 square meter, which is five square meter more than the required internal space.
So plus, there's no existing accommodation, which has benefited from outdoor amenities space. Therefore, on balance, we find that this application is recommended for approval subject to conditions.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Okay, we have no speaker on here on this one, but just the agent, Mr Hill.
Thank you again, if you can turn the microphone on, introduce yourself, you have three minutes to speak and be given a warning when you have one minute left.
My name is Chris, I'm a senior architectural designer working at DPA Architects, the agent for the plan application.
I'd like to thank the chair for giving me the opportunity to address you this evening.
As explained by the plan officer, this application seeks to extend and partially convert this building and thereby create three self-contained one bedroom flats.
Under these proposals, part of the existing ground floor restaurant would be retained, but only as Class E, to use as a suitable small retail unit.
While preparing the second application, we listened carefully to the concerns and specific requests raised by your officers alongside those advising out of public consultation.
We then went on to amend design to suit these concerns and requests.
The goal of these amendments was to address these concerns, provide additional information as appropriate.
The outcome of the process of collaboration with the council is a scheme which addresses all the local national plan policies
and which will deliver new homes in the borough, whilst at the same time safeguarding the amenities of the occupiers of the neighbouring flats.
In terms of design, as noted within the plan officer's report, the extension would be in keeping with the previously approved extensions to the other properties adjacent.
In response to the concerns raised by neighbouring residents, the planning officer and assessment of daylight and sunlight was undertaken, which confirmed there would be no loss of light to the residents within 140 High Road.
The main amendment to the previous scheme was to reduce the width of the gap between our proposed rear extension and 136 and 136B.
As the planning officer's report notes, the separation between the proposed flats and the commercial yoga studio to the rear is such that there will be no material harm to the amenity.
Planning officers giving responses to public consultation comments in addition to those responses, I would like to point out that should planning permission be granted,
development will proceed in accordance with other relevant areas of legislation, including the Party Wall Act building regulations.
This will provide additional safeguards relevant to concerns raised including matters such as sewage, means of access, erection of scaffolding and dust control.
To confirm the applicant is content to accept the terms of the proposed recommendation to grant planning permission, he is happy to comply with the proposed section 106 agreement,
which will fund measures necessary to prevent future occupiers of the scheme from using parking bays within the controlled residents' parking zone.
He is also happy to comply with all the other drafted planning conditions.
The applicant has asked me to use this opportunity to explain the history of the site and the reasons for this development.
The building was purchased by the applicant's father in the late 1960s.
It has always been a difficult shop to lease due to its size as well as the inclusion of the upper floors.
Many businesses have struggled to survive in this location.
The last two businesses failed due to the fact the upper floors included within the lease can only be accessed through the shop and therefore unable to be utilised.
The applicant's aim is not to maximise the value of the site by cramming in as many flats as possible, but many to make this site work.
A smaller number of flats, a smaller more easily lessable shop will allow this building to remain in the family into the future and will bring back to life what is at the moment essentially a dilapidated shell of a building,
whilst at the same time supplying high quality accommodation and enhancing the love industry.
Thank you.
If you can wait and see if there are any questions?
No questions? Thank you.
Any questions to the officers or comments?
I'd like to comment. I'm the ward Councillor for this one and I was also on the committee that refused the last application.
So looking at this application, there's certainly an improvement to taking it away from 136.
Although there is still some effect, I think, on the windows, especially the top window.
But I am still concerned about the ground floor.
The extension on the ground floor, which means that there's very little space at the back.
And I think that's just a congestive and overdeveloped at the back.
So I'm inclined to say that this is still an overdevelopment of this site.
That's my opinion. Anybody else want to say anything?
Could you clarify the space between the end of the building and the boundary wall?
Thank you for your question. So you can tell the rebuilding line is actually having two to 3.7 metres away from the...
Sorry, I was using my own mouth.
But yeah, this bit is about 3.7 metres deep and this rebuilding line, they have a two metre gap.
So in total, the real amenity space is 15 square metres, which comfortably exceeds the London plan requirement.
Thank you.
Thank you. There's no more comments or questions.
We'll go to the vote on that one. The officer's recommendation is for approval.
All those in favour of approval?
There's four and against one. The application is approved.
And that's it at ten past ten. Not too bad. That's all the agenda for tonight.
Thank you very much.
Transcript
Good evening everybody. It's gone seven o'clock so we're going to start the meeting now. I'm
Councillor Claire Farrier and I'm Chair of this planning committee. Thank you all for
attending this evening and I will ask all members of the committee to introduce themselves
followed by the planning officers and the legal officer and governance. As I say, I'm
Councillor Claire Farrier. I'm a Councillor for East Finchley Ward and I chair the committee,
so if you can, Councillor Barnes, you can start. Good evening, I'm Councillor Richard
Barnes. Good evening, I'm Councillor Tim Robertson, Underhill Ward. Good evening, I'm
Councillor Martin Carlin, Collindale South Ward. Good evening, Councillor Joshua Conway
Hendon Ward. There is one more member who has not arrived yet, Councillor Simberg, hopefully
will be here shortly, but he's missing the meeting. We've gone to the officers. Good
evening, John Sperling, Senior Planner. Good evening, I'm Heidi Oskar, Planning Manager.
Leslie Flohr, Senior Planner. Good evening, I'm Leslie Feldman, Planning Manager. Good
evening, I'm Andrew Turner, Senior Planner. Good evening, everybody, I'm Jimmy Walsh,
the Legal Advisor to the committee. Good evening, for us a governance officer and clerk to the
committee. Right, for the members of the public, we ask that you remain seated throughout the
meeting unless you're called to the table to speak on any particular item. Please note
that this meeting is being recorded and it's being broadcast and this is allowed for in
law and by the council. So by attending, either in person or those who are attending online,
you may be picked up on recordings. Council recordings are covered by our privacy notice
and that can be found on website at bonnet.gov.uk. The way this works is that I will ask the
planning officer to present each item following which each speaker will have three minutes
to put their case to the committee and the governance officer will inform you when you
have one minute left and then we ask you to stay because we may have questions to ask
you. Following which, we'll have a discussion in the committee and then determine whether
we approve or not of the application and this will be announced to you. We'll explain when
you come to the table. If you haven't been here before, if you come to the table, there's
a button to turn the mic on that's like a face with speech signs coming out of it. If
there's more than one microphone at a time, we sometimes get feedback so let me ask you
to turn the microphone off when you finish speaking. Right, so a slight change on the
agenda. The first item will be as is on the agenda of the land of 49 and 51 Burystud Avenue
and then we're going to hear item 12 on the agenda, 61 Pinchley Lane and then 49 St. James's
Avenue and then Ante and House. I hope that makes sense to everybody here to speak on
those. Now with regard to item 8, St. James's Avenue, this is an application really by Barnet
Council for a children's, for a new children's home. So of course, we are members of the
council, people in the committee members of the council. As members of the council, we
are all in the position of corporate parents to children who are in care with Barnet. And
we have a duty to support our looked after children. Two of us are also on the corporate
parent advisory groups. We were aware that this premises had been purchased, but we had
no say in the decision about that. We were just informed about it. So just to assure
you that we are all approaching this with an open mind. We will hear the presentations.
We've read the relevant information and we'll make our decision based on that. So is that
all right with everybody in the committee? Did you want to say anything else, Councillor
Conway? That one? Okay. Right, we go on to absence of members. Councillor Greenspan is
being substituted by Councillor Simberg, who as I say, has not quite come yet. Any other
declaration of interests? No, no dispensations granted by the monitoring officer. An addendum
to the agenda was published this afternoon. I think everybody has had a chance to see
that. The minutes of the last meeting, the first item on the agenda. Have we all read
and agreed the minutes? Yep. And then we go straight on to the first item, which is the
land at 49 and 51 Beresford Avenue. The officers could present that item. Good evening, Councillors.
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. First of all, can I just confirm that everyone's
able to hear me? Yep. Excellent. So good evening. I'll be presenting land at 49 and 51 Beresford
Avenue. The application is for the reserve matters application in respect of details
relating to landscaping pursuant to condition three attached to the planning permission
for the demolition of part of number 51 Beresford Avenue and the erection of six semi-detached
dwellings on land at 49 and 51 Beresford Avenue. This is the location and an aerial image show
showing the site. Just some relevant case history. The application was applied for concerning
outline planning permission for landscaping reserved for the demolition of part of number
51 Beresford Avenue and the erection of six semi-detached dwellings. The application was
initially refused at Planning Committee B, but then later the decision was overturned
at appeal in January 2024. Members should note that all other matters, including design,
access, appearance and parking were agreed and approved at the outline stage. So condition
three of the appeal decision which was written by the Planning Inspectorate set out in a relatively
good level of detail what needed to be provided to discharge condition three relating to the
reserve matters. I can come back to this slide later, but I'll just leave it here for a second.
The description of the development for the current application is the reserve matters
in respect of details relating to landscaping pursuant to condition three attached to the
planning permission for the demolition of 51 Beresford Avenue as described earlier.
Following amendments and additional information, the council's highway officer and arbor culture
officer were satisfied with the scheme. This is the approved site layout as part of the
appeal decision. This is the proposed landscape plan at its fifth revision. To conclude the
key considerations and recommendations, for the proposed hard and soft landscaping, for
the discharge of condition three of appeal decision at appeal, it fully complies with
the explicit requirements of the condition and if fully implemented will represent a
very high quality hard and soft landscaping scheme which were effectively the words of
the arbor cultural officer for the London Borough of Barnet. Following amendments and
additional information, the arbor culture officer and highways officer for the council
were satisfied and network rail also confirmed that they have no objections to make. All
other matters have been approved and subject to certain conditions to be applied for and
discharged prior to the commencement of development on site. This application is recommended for
approval and open handed back. Thank you. Thank you. I have two speakers for this. Jim
Fraser and Kirsty Fraser. Mr and Mrs Fraser here. If you'd like to come forward. Take
your seat and turn your microphone on. You can see a button with a picture of a face
on it. That's it. You have three minutes to speak and we'll give you notice when you have
one minute left and after that we may have some questions to ask you. Okay. It's over
to you. We challenge the recommendations made by the planning officer. Also we have consistently
criticised planners for inflating the number of people they claim to have consulted. Now
without evidence we are accused of the same. The report falsely alleges that the residents
of 37 and 47 have inflated objection numbers. We refute this baseless attempt to discredit
us. We notice that the author of the report is here and I was invited now to apologise.
Mr Turner will you apologise? You made allegations against me. Can you use your minutes to speak
it's up for the members of the committee to ask questions of the officers. Okay. At the
end we'll accept the apology. Previously we provided proof of developers breaching planning
law. Yet the planners sided with the developers abandoned due diligence and acting as their
mouthpiece. In defence of the developers villains the planners' reply was that there was no
reason not to believe the developers. The planners have also misinterpreted the inspectors ruling
on the tunnel airshafts, suggesting the reserve martyrs can proceed before addressing the
safety investigation. They claim they are content that before the development means
that reserve martyrs can be implemented first and then they will monitor the tunnel airshaft
safety investigation. They also added that the outcome not be preempted and they are
satisfied that there is no railway related network rail reasons to refute this current
application. Excuse me Mr Fraser. We often ask people to speak more clearly into the
microphone. Do you think you could just move the microphone a little further from your
mouth? Okay. Would you like me to repeat anything? Okay. That's better. If you just carry on
now we can hear you more clearly. Are you sure you wouldn't like me to repeat? I think
we're okay. Okay. Only if somebody wants you to repeat something they'll ask you to. Their
statement is preemptive and they have no proof. The planners blind faith has resulted in years
of wasted resources. Then we have to consider network rail's decision, clearly stating that
there are issues. Less than two years ago in the rail tunnel just outside Bath a train
burst into flames and smoke and it was the airshafts that saved the passengers and staff.
Network rail have made it clear that they have little knowledge about the air tunnel
shafts under these properties and that is why they need a safety inspection before they
can recommend the current reserve matters. We understand that planning might feel under
pressure to draw a conclusion to this after years of pursuing but given the overall conduct
of the developer and their misrepresentation on planning law, asset protection, Arabs,
consultation, restricted covenants and the failures in planning due process they are
only themselves to blame. There should be no compromises over safety. That's time, thank
you. Sorry I didn't hear that. That's time, thank you. Got any questions or if anybody
wants to hear any more? Councillor Roberts. I just wanted to ask you, have the concerns
of British Rail been widely publicised, made available to local residents and others? You've
got the secret. The British Rail and the chief of the operations, Mark Layton, has written
to the council and planners setting out that it's too premature to allow reserve matters
before the investigation of the airshaft and the ground is carried out. It would be too
premature to do that. They are withholding any judgement on that at this stage? That
is correct, yes. It depends on what you mean by withholding. They've stated the fact that
they do not know whether it's safe or not. Thank you. I think you will find and the officers
may explain afterwards that Network Rail have not made any comments at this stage but there
is a condition that this should be agreed with them before any work starts. Legally
we can't ask for that condition to happen before the decision is made but before any
work starts it needs to be. Thank you for reminding me of that. That was the Inspector's
ruling, yes. Any more questions? Councillor Conway. Putting aside any safety issues, is
there any other issues you have with this? Yes, Kirsty will be bringing these up but
if you like I can briefly run over them. Would you like that? Just the issues which aren't
in regards to safety but in regards to planning? Most of the design of the plans for this development
are called into question because of Millon's own safety audit. They refer to collisions
with cars and collisions with people and if you look at the whole design which is part
of the landscape and you'll notice that particularly number 51, they will actually step out right
onto the road. There are other issues with the road of course. The field of vision is
restricted despite what the report says. We are also concerned with the width of the road,
there's no leeway for emergency vehicles or anything of that nature. Thank you. Any other
questions? No, thank you very much. Mr Turner, would you like to apologise to me? I was just
hearing from you and taking questions now. The officers will have a chance to speak afterwards,
so let's see what they say afterwards. So thank you very much, if you can take your
seat now. I may have Kirsty Fraser who would like to speak. Hi. Hi everyone. Just to remind
you again, you'll have three minutes to speak if you finish use yourself and then you'll
have three minutes to speak. You'll have a warning when you have one minute left. Thank
you. All right, evening everyone. I'm Kirsty from Beresford Avenue. This reserve matters
application should be denied and the statement of support in the planning officer's assessment
is inaccurate, misleading, unsafe and illogical. Firstly, stepping out of 51 Beresford Avenue,
there's basically going to be a gate and the family home will just have no pavement in
front of it and it will walk straight into the highway. This is obviously incredibly
dangerous and the developer safety audit comes up with no realistic option of avoiding colliding
cars or collisions with pedestrians. We did actually have a meeting with Steve and Volley
and we were discussing the problems with that particular exit for that house, the gateway
opening onto a road and obviously as they approach the access road that if they saw
an oncoming vehicle, the car may have to reverse and obviously... Sorry, could I just interrupt
you there? Sure. As you're aware, we're hearing tonight just the conditions about landscaping.
I think the access and the side road and so on. Okay, so just to finish my point... Was
agreed in the outline. Okay, so just to finish my point quickly then. Sorry, no problem.
I'll go back to that but Stephen did say that those cars would not be reversing there which
obviously is not enforceable. Okay, so anyway Network Rail Engineers is premature to deal
with this application now which seems to be acknowledged I think because we don't have
the safety report and the airshafts needs investigations to ensure safety. After a decade
of applications, this is nearly 10 years in the making, millions face two restrictive
covenants forbidding house building over the rail tunnel. We don't know if the tunnel can
withstand ground excavations until the airshafts are properly assessed as per the health and
safety act. Beristed residents in the council cannot accept this application when it might
change after an airshaft investigation would be denied our right to critique and evaluate
the outcome. Our planners feel confident that they can monitor millions after this application
is approved but you've had 10 years to monitor this development over their claims of securing
a network rail assessment, sorry, asset protection agreement. They don't have such an agreement.
The latest report claims planners could manage the airshaft investigation post approval and
back up their unsubstantiated claim that they have recycled their statement, thank you,
from earlier reports. There's no planning or evidence of monitoring any conditions of
the developer over the past 10 years. Millen's has just been relentless, keeps submitting
applications one after the other and at the last meeting they did actually shout, the
last meeting that they attended, they did shout that they were going to keep going and
going and going. Now, we did ask for that statement to be minuted but Stephen didn't
minute it but we did raise that concern. On one hand, to choose to rely on the planners
well documented historic unreliability to monitor millions, on the other hand, to choose
networks rails valid health and safety concerns about this application, we believe it should
be investigated first and then followed up with an amended reserve matters application.
We recommend the committee deny this application and there's just too many ifs and buts about
this application and we just want you to refuse it like every other, all the councillors that
have before you over the last decade. Thank you. Any questions? Yes, Councillor Conway.
What's the issues with the landscaping? With the landscaping? Are we talking about the
actual layout of the, yeah, can you explain what you mean by landscaping and I'll answer
the question if that's all right. I didn't mean that, I'll ask the officers afterwards
but just in regards to this reserve matters application with respect to details relating
to landscaping, what are your issues with the landscaping? I'm not sure how to answer
that question, can I ask the Beresford group that are behind me? I'm afraid you're here
to answer the questions, not other people. Okay, well I have concentrated on the safety
factors here tonight, sorry I can't answer more. Though I would just say as I said to
Mr Fraser, there is a condition from, resulting from the appeal, that the safety report should
be confirmed with networked rail before any work starts. You can't ask for that before
decision is made but that condition is there, then it should be done before any work starts
and the officers will explain that further afterwards, if that's okay. Any further questions?
Nope, thank you very much. Thank you. So as I say, I'll ask you to explain that a little
bit more and if there's any other comments or questions from members at this stage. I'm
sorry, I'm forgetting the applicant. The applicant, the agent we have, Mr Millen, Vincent Millen.
I do apologise for missing you out, that's my area. There's a button with a face on it,
down by your finger isn't it, it's not very good to see. That's it, yes again if you could
introduce yourself, then you have three minutes to speak and you'll be given a warning when
you have one minute left. Hi, my name is Ben Larry, I'm one of the owners of Millen Homes.
Thanks for hearing us tonight. I don't really have too much to say in terms of the landscaping,
almost identical scheme was approved by this committee two years ago. The only difference
was the access came in off a slight different location. In terms of this inspection shaft
that keeps coming up tonight, I thought I'd just cover this off, that was inspected by
Network Rail last year and they've now concreted that over, it's sealed off and it's been purposely
located in a position where it's easily accessible under a car parking space. Network Rail are
happy with it, they've signed off on it. We have a BAPRA agreement drafted and in place,
the only reason that isn't signed is because we have to pay a substantial amount of money
at that stage and until such time as detailed permission was granted, we wouldn't commit
to those funds because it's a very large chunk of money. So in terms of the landscaping we've
worked very hard to make sure that the landscaping officers are happy and the scheme is pretty
much in terms of planting, layout, maintenance, identical to the scheme that was approved
two years ago by this committee. Thank you for your time.
Thank you. Can you just confirm your name? Are you Benjamin?
I'm Benjamin Lowry.
Any questions from members? No? Okay, thank you very much. And again we go back to officers.
Talking about the condition from Network Rail from that point.
So as was detailed in the officer report, the wording of the condition for the Network
Rail was quite specific and conditions need to be clear. There's a criteria for a condition
to make sure that it's clear, understandable and the clear wording of the condition is
no development shall take place until details of the location, extent and depth of all excavations
of the services have been looked into. I'm sort of paraphrasing it slightly but the wording
at the beginning of the condition is very specific in that it says no development shall
take place until details etc. And having worked on major schemes before, if there was the
expectation for those details to be provided before the reserve matters it would have said
something along the lines of prior to reserve matters being submitted.
Is that condition not on these papers? Is that just because it came from the appeal
that that's part of this? No, no. On these papers it goes from condition three to condition
seven. So it's within the body of the report? Right. It's on page 16 of the report which
has been published. I can't say specifically but it is, although that's not in the report
as a condition it is. It isn't a condition which we attached, it's a condition which
was the inspector attached. Thank you. Councillor Canwick. In your opinion is there any aspect
of either the soft or the hard landscaping that will make it dangerous for anyone entering
or leaving the development? So our highway officer has looked into this. Following residents'
concerns they were consulted later on in the process just to be absolutely crystal clear
and they said following an amendment to the fencing which pulls the height of the fencing
down and back they are entirely satisfied that there are no highway concerns. Any further
questions or comments? We've heard mention the air shafts or shaft on a couple of occasions.
Would you like to comment on that as well? So that's entirely unrelated to the landscaping
condition. There's a separate condition which we will deal with and which the applicant
will need to deal with before the commencement of works on site but that's not something
which we can and need to deal with at this stage. Thank you. Any further questions? Councillor
Roberts. Is the application dependent upon that decision that's yet to be made? Whatever
decision we make this evening. No, so the applicant will still need to come in with
those details once the decision on the landscaping has been made. About the rail tunnel going
underneath that is yet to be resolved as well. The proposal is set out to start a report
and there's a lot of discussion tonight, background information for decisions that have already
been made at the appeal. So really what you're looking at, the only decision making tonight
is in relation to that landscaping condition. It's a reserved matter so it's being reserved
without any permission being reserved and you're being asked that decision to make a
decision on that and I'm happy to hear about the background etc but it's not related unless
the subject tells me otherwise to this condition. That will have its life of its own as it would
do like a normal planning application. The report about the railway shaft needs to be
given to Network Rail and agreed with Network Rail before any work can start. That's what
the condition is. Any further? We will go to a vote. The officers are recommending approval
of this application. All those in favour of approval? There's four against, one not voting.
So that application is approved and we move on to, I'm sorry we've finished with that
application now as you heard we were looking at reserve matters. Thank you. We have finished
with that application now and moving on to the next one. We're moving on to 61. We have
finished with that application if you could quietly leave the room now. Thank you. We'll
move on to 61 Pinchley Lane. Thank you. We have heard you and you have heard that tonight
we are dealing with just with the conditions. We've heard you. Thank you very much. Thank
you and we'll move on to 61 Pinchley Lane. Thank you. The next item on the agenda is
61 Pinchley Lane in Hendon. The proposal is for a single storey rear outbuilding, partly
retrospective as it amends a building that's already built on the site. So members of the
committee to the site visit yesterday. This is the property here, one half large property,
one half of a pair of semis here on Pinchley Lane. It's been converted into a number of
flats. These are some site photographs. This shows the front of the property here and the
access way down the side here which leads through to communal gardens and a series of
historic outbuildings and a new outbuilding which has been built along the back of the
site at the rear here which has been built unlawfully and has been the subject of a number
of applications over the last couple of years as you'll see from the report. So that was
obviously the original plan of the garden. The flats, three flats at ground floor level
in the main building have got their own private garden. The rest of the area here was communal
garden for all the flats. These two buildings here and these two garage type buildings there
are lawful. They've been there for some time. Previously the building that was built incorporated
the buildings on this side, extended across the width of the site and extended down here.
So this building has not got planning permission. It's been refused as have a number of variations
to it. An enforcement notice has been served which is now subject of an appeal but awaiting
the decision. You'll see from the report and the addendum that the most recent application
was to amend that building and retain it. In this form here, extending right up to the
boundary of the property on this side here, it was reported to Planning Committee last
year and members refused it and again that application at appeal at the moment but as
of today we don't have a decision on that application. So the current proposal is to
amend the outbuilding further and it would set it away from the side on this side as
well as on this side so there'll be a two metre gap between the building and each side
boundary. The depth of the extension would remain as it is. Its overall height as we'll
see in a moment is 2.5 metres here and as members will have seen on site yesterday,
the actual height of the building is the same height as the fence which runs along this
boundary on this side with number 59. Yep, that's the fence line here and that's the
building and this is the height of the fence to the other side. So this is the unlawful
building that's currently situated on that boundary here so it will be set back, this
part will be removed, retaining this rearmost portion only. The enforcement case relates
to the whole of the unlawful outbuilding here which is required to demolish all these buildings
and the garages on site here. This was the scheme that was refused last year so members
can see there was a distance to the boundary on this side but it projected up to the boundary
on this side so the main difference now is making the building even smaller to remove
this area here to ensure a separation to the boundary of two metres. So in terms of the
key considerations, officers consider the scale of the outbuilding has been reduced,
it's been set back two metres from both side boundaries compared to the previous scheme
refused and the communal garden will be closer in size to the original because of the removal
of existing sheds and reduction in the size of the outbuilding so the application is recommended
for approval subject to conditions. Thank you. Thank you and we have Jodie Benayme to
speak. Mr Benayme, you were going to speak first. Sorry. We usually ask the Councillor
to speak after the other speakers.
I will say first, thank you for coming this evening. It's my dire job not to have to do
anything because you couldn't come. If you can turn the microphone on. That's it. And
then introduce yourself and you'll have three minutes to speak and you'll be given a warning
when you have one minute left. Thank you.
Hi, my name is Jodie Benayme and I live at 59 Finchley Lane immediately next door to
the property with my husband Michael, five children and our puppy. It's been our family
home for the last 15 years. I object to this proposal. We are not property people. We feel
overwhelmed, frustrated and exhausted having to fight against developers who have more
financial power and expertise than we do. We've had to contend with six planning applications
just in the last 20 months, four of which were refused and one withdrawn. This started
when these developers built a series of outbuildings of this location unlawfully without permission.
There's a planning enforcement notice requiring the demolition of all these outbuildings which
the developers are currently appealing. They believe that asking for forgiveness rather
than for permission is an acceptable tactic. With respect, the committee should not reward
the applicant's bad behavior. I spoke before the planning committee last September when
the planning officer was recommending approval for a single story rear outbuilding. All six
members of the committee unanimously agreed with the planning officer and a refusal was
issued on the grounds which are summarized in exhibit one disagreed with the planning
officer. Almost a year later, I am baffled to be back here with the planning officer
again recommending approval for an almost identical proposal. What has changed? Essentially
nothing. In exhibit one, you see clearly that the proposed outbuilding has not changed in
size and is merely moved away slightly from the northern boundary. The committee's recent
refusal reasons of excessive footprint, size, scale, depth and height all remain. In a similar
vein, if it was determined mid last year that a gym is uncharacteristically intensive use
for a residential garden, how can it be acceptable now? Please see exhibit two. Furthermore,
an outbuilding like this is inconsistent with DM01 and would therefore meaningfully impact
the character of our neighborhood. Please see exhibit three. On Google Maps, the only
other outbuilding I can identify with an address on our side of the road is the developer's
other property at number 53. There they first applied for an ancillary use as a gym. It's
never been used as a gym, and then have applied numerous times to convert that building into
residential use, having been refused three times since June 2023 with an application
pending. You have one minute remaining. Exhibit four illustrates this pattern of incremental
building. It's a war of attrition on us and on your resources. We believe they'll do exactly
the same at 61. They've had discrepancies in their application saying there's no water
when there is, saying buildings were pre-existing when they were not. You could see that in
exhibits five and six. They've also had a complete disregard for us and for the law.
They've rented out two of their flats as Airbnbs since day one. They don't care about the 90-day
rule. We can't go in our garden because there's constant smells of marijuana. We're kept up
at night by loud noise. The developers have no regard for us. To conclude, we believe
that this application should be denied for the reasons we've stated. You could see them
in exhibit eight. It's the same size. It's the same use. It's inconsistent with DM01.
The developer has a track record of unlawful developments. They've given, they've not told
the truth. They've been unreliable. They've used their properties as Airbnb, shown unprincipled
behavior and approving them now would just reward bad behavior.
OK. Thank you very much. It was well-timed. Any questions? Thank you very much for this,
which is very, very clear. You worked hard on it. It looks like we have no questions
at the moment, so. No questions. Yes, yeah. I have Councillor Mark Shooter. Thank you
very much, Chair. Good to be back. You've got three minutes to speak. Yes, yes. Three
minutes. I'm not going to time myself. I haven't got a lot to add on an excellent presentation.
He's obviously was here last year, a few times, I think four times. I penciled in my diary
for next year another three times, just, you know, the optimism that he gets refused again.
But last time, you know, we went through it in detail and the committee voted six nil
in against the application. And from what I can see, nothing's really changed very much
from the previous application. It's still the same size, as far as I can see. The height
is definitely the same, 2.45 metres. And it was refused on on height as well, I think,
as well as bulking of various other issues and DMO one, etc. So, you know, what they're
going to do, I mean, they can keep coming back and take an inch off here, there, everywhere.
It doesn't really change the fact that this is really trying to put lipstick on an elephant
but on a pig, actually. So lipstick on a pig is just trying to dress up fat. It's an eyesore.
I mean, you don't Google Earth, you can see there's nothing in the near vicinity, anything
like this. They're claiming that it was it's going to be a gym and they put this, you know,
the foul, the drainage in for the toilets, etc. And I mean, if it was a gym for the residents,
they they have their own apartments anyway to go to the bathroom. I mean, is this gonna
be some kind of luxury spa with a bedroom? I mean, yoga room anyway. It's just, it doesn't
really make sense to me. And yeah, we do have the policies in place. And I just think they're
just trying to keep coming, coming back in order to try and take advantage of, you know,
get something, something through and then do some planning creep on the next one. So
can't really add anything to the exhibits. They will, they will speak for themselves.
It's just, you know, for me, just as a disclosure, I know the neighbours, I know many of the
neighbours who are objecting here. So that's why I felt compelled to speak and obviously
being a ward council, I don't really want to see, I don't really want to see this type
of increase in demise, you know, going, you know, in Hendon and spreading, especially
on that road. It's very important to have other immunity space and gardens, we don't
want people being overlooked. I think Jody alluded to Airbnb. I mean, if you do Google
61, we can 61 Finchley Lane Airbnb, it does come up with a rather nice accommodation.
I think we've got five stars only two weeks ago. So I think four stars the week before
that. But so we really want to try and we do have a housing shortage, but you know,
not building eyesores in gardens. And I think, you know, I think for all the stresses caused
in the area, I think it would be much better if if the committee stuck to being consistent
on the last application, which they turned down convincingly, this is pretty much the
same application. It's just to be the building's done a little walk to the centre. So it's
shifted over. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Any questions? Councillor Roberts. I just
wanted to ask Councillor Shitter, in principle, you against there being a gymnasium at the
rear of this? In principle, are you against the idea that a gymnasium should be the end
of this property? Not not not really. I mean, there's there's no problem having a gymnasium
if it is going to be a gymnasium. We don't want I mean, there's a bit of an application.
Well, there's a grey area. I'm not against in that having gyms at the back of people's
houses, what I'm against is huge, yeah, out of character outbuildings that are actually
ruining the lives of the people next door. So as long as things are built within scale,
and this is clearly not I mean, you can see it from your garden. I mean, it is slightly
over the fence and these are high fences have been put in. So it's quite a large outbuilding
is but those facilities if it was a gym, for instance, then could be used utilised by the
residents of number 61. Yeah, but what's to stop a bed going in as well? That could be
part of it. Oh, what? Sorry, that could be part of it. Well, that's that's the issue.
So if they are running Airbnbs, then they're going to run Airbnbs from there. In order
to, you know, actually, it might I mean, look, if it's open for residents, fine, but it just
seems to be a very large building way too large for the area. So it's really about the
size issue more than anything else.
Do need to be of a certain size by the very nature of what they're there for. Well, they
can be adapted working, they can get smaller if they if they want to just have one less
running machine. I mean, I don't know whether they're planning to service the whole of Hendon
in that size gym. Yeah, thank you. As you know, I was I was on the committee last time
that turned it down. I think I was chairing that committee as well. But there is there
is a big change now. So it has been made a lot smaller. So you're saying it's still rather
long as far as I can see. It's looking at it, does this meet the reasons that the last
one was turned down? So it's an excessive size design, citing scale, depth, height,
and so on? Well, the height hasn't changed the height, as you're saying that it's still
even if the size has changed, I don't think it has based on it might have changed from
the original first application, but from the last one that was turned down, I don't believe
it's changed. You have the exhibits, but regardless of that, it was turned down also on height
and the height is certainly the same height as it was previously that was turned down.
And that was one of the specific reasons that was listed. Alright, well, we'll ask for confirmation
on that we were told that the height is the same. And we saw that the height is the same
as it was in the previous application. Therefore it can't be seen. So it's a matter of looking
at it and in terms of Airbnb, that's not something we can look at now. I know, I know. I just
mentioned it because I appreciate how neighbours may feel about that. I haven't got anything
against Airbnbs either, by the way, I use them sometimes when I go on holiday. We'll
hear from the applicants agent now and then they'll get in the session. Thank you very
much. One more question. Sorry, Councillor Conway. Just following on from Councillor
Roberts' question in regards to gyms, do you think there's any difference when a gym is
in a private resident's home rather than if it's in a large block of flats? Well, I guess
it would make a lot more sense building a gym if you had a resident block of 200 people.
It would be far more cost effective than building a gym for five flats. So I don't know how
much, what the landlord is looking to achieve here. I don't think he's going to achieve
a significant uplift in rent that will help pay for the capital outlay of this supposed
gym. So I don't see personally, I think it was something that was probably thought of
afterwards when there was obviously some scrutiny from complaints from the neighbourhood what's
going on. There's a huge outbuilding that's gone up illegally and perhaps it was retrofitted.
I don't know the history of what happened, but it doesn't make sense for me that there
should be, how much gym equipment you need for five units, five residential units. And
there were many, many gyms all around Hendon as well, very, very good. I think there's
the Middlesex University gym, you've got the gym at Hendon Central as well. So if someone
wanted a running machine they can go and buy their own running machine. The flats are quite
nice sized flats and big enough to host their own workout equipment should they so wish.
Thank you. And then we have the agent George Ray. Thank you. I think you also know the
procedure. If you turn your microphone on, now we have three minutes to speak. You can
all make it left. Thank you chair and members of the planning committee for the opportunity
to speak today. Upon reviewing the objections raised against the proposal, it is evident
that they either follow a repetitive pattern or consist of copied content. All 17 points
in each objection focus on either alleged past accusations or speculative future accusations
by my client. Rather than addressing the actual details of the current proposal, if we concentrate
solely on the facts of the application, devoid of the unsubstantiated claims presented by
a neighbouring party, it becomes clear that the only reasonable conclusion is for this
application to be approved. The proposed development is significantly reduced in scale from the
original application and is smaller than the previous refuse scheme. Frankly, I'm surprised
by the attention this minor application has attracted. The prior refusal considered concerns
about the security of number 59, specifically the fear that people could jump from their
outbuilding into their garden. As well as the outbuilding size and its impact of number
59's amenity space, my client addressed these concerns by repositioning the outbuilding
more than two metres away from both neighbouring properties and ensuring its roof is below
the fence line, effectively eliminating any potential impact to neighbouring properties.
Furthermore, the proposed outbuilding is smaller than similar developments built at numbers
51, 53, 76, 82, 88, 95, demonstrating that it's not out of character for the street.
For these reasons, the planning department has recommended approval. My client has consistently
approached this process with diligence and responsiveness. After the previous application
was refused, he consulted with the planning department, considered the committee's and
neighbours' concerns and returned with a substantially revised proposal. The planning department
confirmed that the revised proposal adequately addressed all the concerns and again issued
an approval. My client has transformed the previously dilapidated site into a well-developed
property with high-quality residential flats, all constructed in strict compliance with
planning approval permissions. When it came to the rear garden, he was misinformed about
the permit to development rights, whilst it was clarified that Albert did not fall under
such rights, he collaborated closely with the council to develop a scheme that meets
planning policies while addressing neighbours' concerns, reducing the size scale repeatedly.
It is important to note that current objections do not cite any planning policy issues, but
rather make baseless accusations against my client, whose objective is to provide functional
mini-space that enhances the residents' quality of life. Objections questioning the
use of the outbuilding as a gym are particularly unfounded in today's context, where integrating
gyms into residential sites is seen as beneficial for physical and mental wellbeing. In summary,
the proposal in front of you today has been meticulously adapted, scaled down and thoughtfully
designed to align with the planning policies and address all previously raised concerns.
I urge the committee to focus on the actual merits of the application and approve accordingly.
Thank you. Any questions? Councillor Roberts?
Can you clarify? The use of the gym is for the residents of the property, not the commercial
entity. In addition to that, I noted that the planning officer said that the three ground
floor flats have their own mini-space, private mini-space, but that they also have use of
the communal mini-space at the rear, so they will also be able to use and benefit from
this area. Any further questions? Councillor Conway?
Thank you. What was the size of the gym in the previous application?
I don't know if I've got the notes, I've got the plans, but I don't know if they're
on the plans, I believe. What is the size? Just because you mentioned
that it's been majorly scaled down, so I'm just trying to work out what.
I said scaled down, and I said majorly scaled down from the original application. So on
the first application, as you can see, that was refused, and each time we have scaled
it down. Apart from obviously the one, the very large one, or the other ones that we
have significantly scaled down, have been approved by planning officers and taken to
committee by the objections of the neighbours. But each time we have reduced the scale. So
obviously from the previous one to this one, it has been reduced, percentage off the top
of my head. Just looking at the plans both here and previously
leading up to this meeting, it doesn't look to me, so I'm just trying to find out what
the actual size is, because it still looks the same. Previously the committee said grants
for refusal are due to excessive footprint, excessive size, excessive design, excessive
scale, excessive height and excessive depth. And I can't see how that has been reduced.
Besides that, it's been moved slightly away from the fence, yet at the same time making
it closer to the other fence. So whilst making it potentially slightly better
for one neighbour, you've made it worse for the other neighbour.
Well, if you look at the other neighbour, if you look at the photos of the other side,
you'll see that there's a massive brick wall on the other side. So in fact, if it is still
two metres away, 2.5 metres in height, which is below the fence line, so it simply cannot
affect any minute space of neighbours. I don't think that is a necessary concern in terms
of impacting the amenity, because you visually can't see it. On that side anyway, you're
saying, so move closer, there's a four metre brick wall on the other side of that fence.
But on that side, yes, we did move it away from the neighbours of number 59, of course,
because they were concerned. I remember at the committee, I don't know, I can't remember
which committee members were here, but they did raise the point of they were nervous someone
was going to climb on the roof and jump into their garden. So we paid attention to that.
We thought it wasn't going to happen, but okay, it was a concern of them, so we moved
it away. We did reduce it off the top of my head, maybe 5-10% reduction. But you've got
to remember, each time from the original one, it's probably about, I would say, half, just
over half the time.
We need to go to the original one, because the previous one was rejected.
Well, to be honest with you, I'm actually talking about this one, and the relevance
of this application. To be honest with you, as I said to you, there were 17 objections
raised. If we go through them, one by one, they're all not really relevant to this application.
They all go on previous applications. That's why I'm trying to stop now.
I'm just asking about this one.
This one is reduced from the previous application. Again, when we've got objection one, again,
it talks about this, I've said, these are just notes I've written down. Objection one
not relevant to this application.
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, as I said, concentrating on this application and the merits of this application, it has
been reduced in size. It can't be seen by the neighbouring properties. The fact the
use of the gym will benefit all residentials. I mean, I know Councillor Shooter mentioned,
oh, it's OK, they can just shove a treadmill in their living room. I mean, it's quite
easy. Thankfully, I live in the house, but I can. Other people may. People living in
flats can't automatically do that.
I think you've answered the question. Thank you. Any further questions, Councillor Kellogg?
Thank you. Having been on a site visit yesterday and seen the existing building, unlawful building,
I've got concerns on two fronts. It doesn't fall for the size and depth of the building,
the actual physical construction there. It's going to be awfully uncomfortable for anyone
exercising in there due to lack of ventilation. And then again, in the winter when it's cold,
it's going to be really difficult for anyone to exercise in there due to the temperatures
involved. So I do have concerns over the actual usage of the building.
Sorry, I apologise. I didn't hear your first. I heard about the winter. I didn't hear.
The existing construction that you have there, minus the end bits and the bits around the
side, so the bit that you intend to keep, doesn't appear to have sufficient ventilation
for anyone who's doing some heavy exercise within the building. And that is a concern
because I have a feeling that it's, if not unsafe, it's going to be uncomfortable.
So are we able to bring up the proposed plans? The proposed floor plan, so everyone can see.
I think you'll find you've got, there's three sides that have access to air ventilation.
On each side, there are two windows proposed. Again, what you saw on site is not what the
end product is going to be. Obviously, that is unlawful. They have to, unless something
happens, they're going to have to knock it down and rebuild according to this plan. So
based on this plan, you've got two windows on the side. You've got the front, which is
obviously the longest stretch, which is proposed full of windows, double doors. I do believe
that there is sufficient ventilation according to the gym requirements. In addition to that,
you talk about being cold winter days and that's back garden. Yeah, my client would
love to have it right close to the house, but that again would be against planning policy
and wouldn't want to do that because that would be a nice door. And well, I was up six
by 30 this morning heading off to the gym. So, and it was dark and cold then. And you
know, I would recommend people do do that. It's quite exhilarating. So I personally in
the winter would recommend people venturing their beer of cold to enjoy benefits mentally
and physically of going to the gym. And that is what this proposal is trying to represent.
Just one point and two questions. You mentioned that your client was previously badly advised
in regards to, he hasn't given in to the thing that he's appealing at. Has he accepted that
he was badly advised? But moving on to the two points, in this current application, on
the application you've written, are you proposing to connect to the existing drainage system?
You clicked no. In that application, it's been clicked. Are you proposing to connect
to the existing drainage system? And it's been ticked no. Yet we can see on site that
there is drainage in the toilet into the gym. So where is that drainage? What is that drainage
in that toilet for if it's not connected to the drainage system? Again, I'm trying to
stick to this application. This application doesn't show any drainage. It was from previous
applications. There is no drainage. Obviously it was done. There is no drainage there now.
From previously, as you say, unlawful development. It simply won't be used. There simply won't
be drainage. You can see there's no, I don't think there's a sink there or toilet showing
that there's a toilet. There is a toilet inside at the moment. Yes, but we're, again, trying
to stick to the facts, trying to stick to the actual application. There is no proposed
toilet there. And there is a proposed, as you say, in terms of, he was badly advised.
Yes, he was. He was told it was a permitted development. The truth is, if it was a single
dwelling house, the proposed, what he built would be considered to be a permitted development.
He was informed incorrectly. It's everyone's right to appeal. Of course it's everyone's
right to appeal. But in essence, this is what, again, I try again focusing on this application,
the merits and the benefits this application will provide. Thank you. Thank you. In regards
to this, once again, this application now, it's written that according to current application,
outbuildings in yellow are labeled pre-existing. We've got an image from Google Maps that shows
that's not true. Pre-existing to the building going down. Pre-existing that worked starting
on 12th February 2019. And in 29th of June 2019, you can see they are not there on Google
Maps. If you go back to the previous plans, you'll see there's four separate plans. The
first plan shows, you're right, original. And you're absolutely right, there are no
outbuildings shown on that. In the current application, it's written that the other outbuildings
were pre-existing. So you're right. So there weren't any. Then, as the planning officer
says, those ones, and these are the ones we were talking about, were then constructed
prior to my client purchasing the property. Those were on site, and deemed north, but
I think the planning officer stated. So there were four stages. So prior to the outbuildings
being built, there were outbuildings there already. You're correct in saying, originally,
there wasn't anything there, which the first plan does show. Is there an error in this
current application? No, no, no. I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying both statements are true.
So there were previous, there were before the un-north outbuildings was built, there
were outbuildings there. But a few years before that, you're correct, there wasn't any buildings
there at all. So I'm saying both statements are true. I'm not denying your statement.
I don't have to really follow that, but I'll just move on to my last point.
Maybe the planning officer can explain.
Yeah, that's fine. I'll send. So my last point. It's been said before, and it's connected
to this application, that the proposed use of an outbuild as a communal gym is also considered
uncharacteristically intensive use for a residential garden. This is still a communal gym and it's
still in a residential garden. So putting aside any, we may disagree on whether you've
made any small or not. It still looks excessive, but it's still a communal gym in a residential
garden, which your client has been told before, is uncharacteristic.
Okay. I appreciate that comment.
Not by me, but the planning officer has said this.
And so my counter argument is, is that fundamentally, I believe that this gym will, and I hope councillors
agree with me, will be beneficial. It might be uncharacteristic, you're right, because
not every house on the street has a gym there. But fundamentally, I really do believe that
having a gym in a block of flats is very beneficial, especially at the moment. We've got to consider
fitness, wellness of people, and it's very nice.
In terms of moving on, I'll take further advice on this, but I think we're not able to consider
what this may be used for. I don't think using it as a gym...
I'm not saying it's being used as a communal gym. I'm not suggesting anything. They're
saying it's being used as a communal gym, and the officers have said that communal gym
is uncharacteristic in this area.
We'll get confirmation of that from the opposition. Any further questions? No? No. Yes. No, that's
all right. Yes. Okay, so if we could have some comments from officers about whether
this use as a gym may be allowed or not.
Clarify a few points. In terms of the size of the building, I just checked the officer
report for the last application that came before committee, and that stated the building
was 3.6 metres by 12.3 metres. The current plan shows 3.8 metres by 11.6, so it's 0.2
metres deeper and 0.7 metres narrower. Same height, but 4.5.
Okay, thank you. I would like to say that, as I said, I was on the committee that turned
this down last time, and it was very apparent then that the sort of wrap-around, it was
a huge overdevelopment of that area and for this site. Clearly, this has been going on,
and we've heard from the speakers, and we've read from the other objectors as well. It's
been going on, causing a lot of nuisance to them for a long time, and I do accept that,
but I'm thinking if this was the first application that came, would we be looking at it differently,
just as this application, without knowing all the other things that were going on, and
we're still coming under appeal. So I'm not decided on that, but we are just looking at
what is before us tonight and coming to try and look at it as though it had no history,
that's what I'm saying. Any further comments or questions for anybody?
Just from the sizing we've just been given, it's just as excessive, and putting it aside,
being built illegally, they haven't taken it down. Besides that, we've got a clear picture
of there being drainage there. The building itself now in this application is 0.2 wider
than it previously was.
I just need to emphasise what the chair said. You're here tonight to consider the application,
which is single-storey, rare outbuilding part retrospective. The history as regards, you
do need to ignore to a certain extent, and also any future potential, if there are enforcement
issues, those are enforcement issues, and that's up to the council to enforce those.
If it goes into residential use, whatever is anticipated, but at the moment, it's just
for the building as proposed, not as you saw on the site visit, and if you're going to
vote to not approve it, which you're entitled to do, then you need to have in mind planning
reasons to refuse this application. I would suggest future enforcement is not a reason,
and the drainage is not a reason. You need to consider this application.
Thank you. If we can go to the vote then, the officers are recommending approval of
this application. All those in favour of approval? Those against? Two. One not voting. I hate
this, the council chair's decision then. I would have to go along with the officer's
recommendation in that case for approval. This application has been approved.
Good evening, everyone. I'm here to present a case at 49 St James Avenue. It's for a change
of use from a C3 dwelling house to a C2 care home for three children. It's noted that the
applicant is the director of Debana's family services, and the children there are typically
aged around 11 to 14 years old. As you can see from the site location plan, the application
site is a two-storey semi-detached dwelling house located in the northern side of St James
Avenue, and the area is predominantly semi-detached houses with some detached houses. The site
has a p-tail of two, which is considered accessibility is fairly poor, but it benefits from a driveway
to the front and a private garden to the rear. So here are some of the aerial photos, and
you can tell that there's a wrap-around single-storey extension. And some site photos to the front
and to the rear. So the existing house is a four-bed seven-person home. There's no external
changes proposed. And the main shared accommodation is at the ground floor level and consists
of kitchen, dining room, living room, and a staff office. And the third floor, you can
tell three children's homes with size about 13 to 19 square meters, which are quite spacious.
Some concerns are raised of the proposed living room for the staff is 5.7 square meters large,
which is slightly small, but because that would not be the primary accommodation for
the staff, which unbalanced, it's fine. So the key arguments here is whether the use
of a children's home would materially impact the character of the area, which is predominantly
a single-family dwelling by virtue of the number of comings and goings and any associated
impact to the noise and safety. So the staff pattern, you can tell, is likely to happen
at about 7 to 11 p.m., which is unlikely to result in an intensification of the use beyond
that expected of a single household. And this is the existing parking and cycle parking
and waste management, which has retained its existing arrangement.
And other considerations involve the principal development, which we find the applicant has
demonstrated there is a need for a care home in the locality. Especially, there are two
councils' children's home and a family resource center, which would be located within 1.1
to 1.6 miles, which is about 20 to 30 minutes walking distance from 49 St. James Avenue
– so it creates a strong support network and has justified the loss of a poorly accessible
family home. And unbalanced, we find that the impact of character and the neighbors'
amenities are acceptable, and therefore the application is recommended for approval, subject
to conditions.
Thank you. Councillor Conway.
Just with permission, although I was not involved in any of this, as a member of the Children's
Education overview and scrutiny subcommittee, with permission, can I just excuse myself
for this application?
I have two speakers on this one. Two objectives, Pfizer-Siddiqui and Zara-Siddiqui, and I think
Mr Ben Chung is going to read their objections. You can come forward.
You can read both objections. You have six minutes. Because you're just reading their
objections, you won't be able to answer questions for them, but you can read their
statements.
Okay. Six minutes.
Yes, three minutes for each.
Good evening, members and chair of the Planning Committee. My name is Ben Chung, and I'm
a planning consultant representing my clients, Zara and Pfizer-Siddiqui. We reside at number
60, Raleigh Drive, which is an immediate neighboring property to the north of the application site.
My clients are deeply concerned about this planning application to convert a single family
dwelling house to what is effectively a U.S. Class C2 residential institution. We know
it's a large number from the local community have voiced their concerns during the consultation
process, with 150 objections and only one letter of support. We sincerely request members
to reject the officer's recommendation of approval and direct refusal of this application
due to the following reasons.
The principle of losing a single family dwelling house within what is an established residential
area is considered unacceptable, as it would create a net loss of family-sized housing
in the borough. This would serve to encourage and exacerbate the continuous and cumulative
erosion of more family dwellings from being lost in established neighborhoods such as
this.
There's been no evidence to suggest alternative sites have been properly considered and assessed.
There are simply no details of any alternative sites being documented in its evidence base
in which demonstrate objectively how alternative sites have been convincingly discounted. We
will simply never know whether those alternative sites may actually have particular advantages
over this application site, and this is considered a serious flaw when properly considering other
suitable sites elsewhere within the borough.
The ground-floor bedroom intended for one of the children is located to the front of
the property and overlooking what is effectively the driveway. This is considered a substandard
living condition for this habitable space, and officers have not properly considered
this issue.
We consider the layout arrangement of the proposal to be substandard and inadequately
thought through, given there is no apparent dedicated staffing area within the property
to provide the basis in which to operate from and provide round-the-clock care. In addition,
having one of the children's bedrooms on the ground floor so close to the entrance could
mean children could escape without supervision.
There appears to be no due consideration for access for all policies, and principles being
applied to the proposed development, nor has it been duly addressed in the committee report.
This is contrary to local plan and London Plan policies.
The site has a PTAIL rating of 2, and is considered poor for public transport accessibility. This
is clearly not a good sustainable site, and that emerging local plan policy suggests the
need for these sites to be in PTAIL at least a 3 to 6. Just because the properties within
close proximity to bus stops do not address the fact the site has overall poor public
transport accessibility with limited bus connectivity.
My clients have stressed that the council should be held responsible if any antisocial
related incidents that occur and to which result in harm to any of their family members,
damaged property and the wider neighbouring community.
Lastly, my clients consider this proposal to be an incompatible use within what is an
established residential neighbourhood, and that other alternative and more suitable and
sustainable sites should be considered instead.
On balance, this is not a well thought through scheme with various weaknesses from a planning
perspective, and that we urge members to refuse primary permission accordingly.
Thank you for your time.
Thank you. As I say, because you're reading these on behalf of the objectors, we're not
able to ask you questions, so thank you very much for your time.
Then we have the agent, Jalpa Patel. You're not Jalpa Patel.
Thank you, Brigitte. So if again you know how this works, you can introduce yourself.
You've got to have three minutes to speak, and we'll give you a warning when you've got
one minute left.
Thank you very much. I am Brigitte Chaudhan, the Director of Children's Social Care, and
I have had the privilege of leading corporate parenting for the last eight years, and I'm
very proud of our achievement, even more so since the services to children in care received
an outstanding from Ofsted recently in our inspection. The reason why I'm mentioning
that is...
Yes, I can just interrupt you to congratulate your matter. We have four members of the council.
Thank you very much.
Yes, it was outstanding.
Thank you. The reason why I mention that is because one of the things that they highlighted
was that one thing that we do very well is to make sure that our children who need to
be in our care are placed at the right places at the right time, and why we need to look
at the placement types is because everybody, most people know that there is a national
shortage of foster carers, and there is also a national shortage, or there's a local shortage
of placements for children to remain in the local area, and one of the things that we've
worked really hard at over the last few years is to make sure that we create local placements
and local options for our children that need to be in our care. We have invested a lot
in trying to recruit more foster carers, but there is still a need for different types
of environments for children, and the reason why we are looking at the children's homes
is that sometimes children need to be in a different environment, not a family environment,
but we want them to be local. We want them to not have to be placed out of the area,
and far distances from their connections, from their families, and from their schools,
and the reason why we also want a small children's home is because if we have the children living
locally, going to local schools, there is a higher, better chance of them returning
to their birth families and moving on to foster care if necessary. Barnet has three other
children's homes that are run very effectively and have had them for some time. We have had
excellent feedback from Ofsted and they're all graded as good. For this home, we will
have three children residing with at least two members of staff at any time 24 hours
of the day. They will attend school, and when necessary, if they have to attend other appointments,
they will go to the appropriate venues just like any other family, and this will be their
family home. This will be their home where they reside, where they are safe, and where
they can be protected and they can be nurtured. We want to be able to create an environment
where they grow and they are encouraged to be part of a community, and that's why we
look for a residential home in an area that they deserve to be part of. The home will
benefit from being managed by a residential manager who has got 15 years of experience.
In the eight years that I've worked with her, I've seen the difference she makes for these
children that we have to look after. Finally, I just wanted to say and to try and give people
assurance that the children who need this home are children who need to be protected
and they need to be cared for, not because of something they've done, but because of
their family circumstances, and they deserve to have the best that we can give them as
a local council. I hope that when you think about this application, you're able to support
those children and approve this application. Thank you.
Thank you. I'll ask a question, but I wonder if you could just confirm the needs and the
supervision that these children will get. We've heard and read from a large number of
objectors living around about who are worried about this facility in the midst of the effect
it will have on them and on their families. Will children possibly have social behaviour,
other things? I'm sure it will be managed properly, but could you explain how that will
be managed, and also how you will be able to liaise and communicate with neighbours
to get them onside and to understand what's going on?
Absolutely. We've spent a lot of time looking at the objections, taking them very seriously.
We want our children to feel welcomed within the community where they reside. We have a
very good track record of actually working very well with the neighbours. Our other children's
homes are also in residential areas. They're either semi-detached house or detached house
in a residential area. We worked really hard to make sure that the neighbours and the people
around the children's home understand what we're trying to achieve for the children.
The focus age of the children is going to be 11 to 14. They will be in un-care because
they can't live with their parents for any number of reasons. This is not a home for
youth offending services. It's not a home for youth detention. This is our children
that need to be with people who can make sure that they're okay, that they're safe, that
they go to school, that they do well at school. We have very experienced residential social
workers who will be working with them, who will live with them to make sure that they
have the opportunity to have their environment normalised. And what we have alongside them
is an expert professional team who they will have access to. So we have our therapists,
we have our social workers, we have the intervention centre, which is a mile away where they will
go and they can have contact with their family members in a safe environment. Because one
of the things that people were worried about were that families and lots of people would
be coming to the home. Actually, we do the opposite at children's homes. We make that
a secure and sacrosanct place for them so that they feel safe and that they can live
in as normal an environment as possible. So they will live with their residential social
workers, but when they go and see the other professional network, it will be off-site,
it will be at other venues, which we do for all our children across our children's homes.
Thank you. Any further questions? Councillor Roberts.
I just want to clarify. As far as you're aware, have the other residential homes in Barnet
of a similar nature, have they caused problems for local communities?
Not at all. Not at all. Not at all.
So we have two children's homes, and they're both six-bed children's homes, and then we
have another children's home that is a two-bed children's home. We will have some situations
where there might be a situation where a child might have a medical condition and then an
ambulance might need to be called. We've had that in one of our children's homes. We've
had a young person who was quite distressed because of contact with the family and acted
out within the children's home, but not in terms of damage to neighbours' properties.
Thank you. In your experience at the other homes that Barnet, sorry, the council operate,
have there been instances of children climbing out of first-floor windows and escaping?
Thank you. The staff that work with them are very highly trained. We also match children
to the places where they live, and the reason why we want to work with a younger group with
this children's home is that we don't want to send our young children who can't live
at home, we don't want to send them far, you know, 20, 30 miles away from Barnet. We want
to keep them within their community. We also know that our schools are incredibly good
and are very nurturing to our children, so we want to try and keep them at their local
schools, because that's often very much a safe space for children who are going through
trauma. Thank you. Lastly, just one more question. We heard in the objectives that you haven't
given any evidence of having looked elsewhere, as though you've just decided on this place
without considering other areas, so I wondered if you could just describe the process that
went through before we settled on this particular place. Absolutely. So once we received the
agreement for capital investment from the council, we went through a series of viewing
properties and we've actually, over the period of time, we viewed up to 10 different properties.
We had to be conscious, first of all, of the public purse, because that's my responsibility
to make sure that we use the capital investment appropriately and with respect and responsibility,
so we had a budget. We had to make sure that we bought something that didn't require a
great deal of additional work done to it, so that when we purchase a property, we could
actually start using the property quite quickly after purchasing the property. We also wanted
to have a look at the area and one of the things that we felt why we wanted to purchase
this property is that it's the end of the road, the physical place that it is in terms
of the corner property. It provides a lot of privacy for the children in the back garden,
as well as the bedrooms, because they are lived after children. It also has a lot of
good connections to the other children's homes that will be supporting these children and
will be supporting the staff. It wasn't just a, Well, here's a house. This is our first
choice. Let's go.
There was actually quite a lot of consideration and a number of visits
to the property by different people before we actually came to the decision to put an
offer in.
Any further comments or questions? Otherwise, we will go to the vote. Officers are recommending
this for approval. All those in favour of approval? That's all. This application is
approved. Thank you very much. And we can ask Councillor Conway's coming back and we're
going to move on to Antion House for a bundle present.
Thank you, Chair. So this application relates to Antion House for a bundle present, and
the proposal is for a change of use of the existing single family dwelling house to a
residential children's care home for free children. This is the site location plan.
Just before I carry on with the presentation, I would like to just clarify, on page one
of the committee report, the relevant site to history relates to Carla House. So there
was an application that was submitted this year for Antion House, but there's been some
misunderstanding with regards to the address details. So I just want to clarify that there
has been no applications for a children's home at Carla House, and this was meant to
be for Antion House. So I'd like that to be noted. And that was a section 192 application,
which is a certificate application, which the applicant sought a deemed consent to say
that it would be lawful from C3A to C3B. However, we regarded it as being unlawful because on
the certificate application, it requires that a residential carer would need to reside at
the premises 24 hours, and that should be their primary living space. So if that can
be noted, please. Thank you. Can I just confirm the previous one that was unlawful, that was
for exactly the same premises? It was exactly the same thing, yes. Nothing has happened
with next door at Carla House? No, there's no applications at Carla House, and that is
still in single family dwelling house. Thank you. Okay, so the existing property is a two
storey, semi-detached, four bedroom house. And as I said, the care home would be for
three children between the ages of 10 and 17 years of age. So this is the site location,
and that's the aerial image. So originally, this was a detached property, and over a period
of time, it's been subdivided into a pair of semi-detached properties. So the one on
the right-hand side is Carla House, and to the left is the subject property, Antion House.
Again, site photographs. Members have been out on site visit. So this is the rear elevation
and this is the garden. This is the existing and the proposed ground floor plan. So the
layout is that there is a reception, one kitchen, dining at ground floor level. And then you
have one bedroom and a staff room at first floor level. And then there is two bedrooms
within the loft space. So a detailed statement has been provided by the applicant displaying
the need for a children's care home, as well as a detailed schedule of staff and general
activities. It's proposed that 10 members of staff will be employed with a maximum of
three members of staff at any one time at the premises, so the children will be manned
24 hours a day. And between two free shifts, changes per day will happen. So most of staff
would travel by public transport, with the bulk of the children's activities executed
internally by staff. We have consulted environmental health, highways officers, NHS and children's
services, and there have been no objections to the proposed use. Considering its setting
as well as information provided by the applicant, the need for a children's care home, albeit
at the loss of a residential dwelling, has been identified. The applicant has also confirmed
the children's home will house children from Barnet social services. However, their services
will also be offered to neighbouring boroughs. The children's care home on balance is considered
acceptable, in principle and character. With regards to impacts on neighbouring amenity,
given the total number of children and staff at any one time, the occupancy level of care
home would be the same as that of a residential dwelling house living as one family household,
therefore would not result in any over intensification of use of the site. The children's care home
would benefit children requiring care. The recommendation is to approve the application.
Thank you chair. We have Stulman Rahman is reading an objection
from Jimmy Hakim I think. Mr Rahman is here. And is there somebody else who wishes to speak
on this? Sorry. I had down here there may be another person, but have we got your name?
You're not an objector, you're not registered as a speaker. No, but you haven't put in your
objections and said that you're willing to speak, so you're not registered as a speaker,
I'm afraid. Jimmy Hakim is registered as an objector and Stulman Rahman is reading his
objections. Okay. Sorry, is that alright? Is there a difficulty with language?
No. I have here Mr Rahman is going to speak. As with the previous one, we won't be able
to ask your questions because you're speaking on behalf of the objector, Jimmy Hakim, but
if you can read his statement, we'll hear that. You'll have three minutes to read the
statement and you'll be given a warning when you have a minute left. Thank you. Yes.
Hello. Good evening. Thank you very much for giving me a chance to speak. My name is Mr
Rahman. I've lived on this random person for 34 years. Jimmy's been my neighbor for 20
years. Mina's been my neighbor for about five, six years now, five years now, you know. We
all know each other. It's a nice residential road. The whole road, you know, is single
dwelling, single family homes. Yes, I forgot. No, Jimmy Hakim. No, no, I'm speaking on behalf
of Jimmy Hakim. We've known each other for 20 years. So, you know, very nice road and
the applicant's already been using this place as a children's, quote, children's home for
a while now. Right. And it's been an absolute nightmare. You know, a young man has come
out of the house, spat on my daughter's car, and she sat there crying, called my son to
help her. Right. A young man has come, chased my son into our house, up to the driveway.
You know, the number of time police have come. Right. It's unbelievable. A nice, quiet road.
It's been a nightmare. There's an alleyway in front of my house. Right. I can see young
people from the house go into the alleyway, buy drugs, go back to the house. One time,
a young lady bought some stuff from a dealer into the alleyway that's in front of my house,
came and hid behind, because they can't take it into the house, she hid behind my car in
my driveway. And I, you know, have it on CCTV, put foil and put a lighter under it. And I
asked my son, what's she doing? And my son said, she's doing crack cocaine on our driveway.
You know, it's been hell. You know, I don't know what they make out to be. One evening,
someone came out of the house and said, we've lost someone. Have you seen this person of
such and such a description? She was running up and down the road. You know, people wondering,
honestly, the sort of impression they give, you know, you have one minute remaining. Yes.
Yes. The police have been there daily. It's a nightmare. People don't have any idea what
this means. It's not 10 year old children, people bigger than me, wandering down the
street, you know, at night. They have no control of the situation. You know, I'm living with
it. My daughters live with it. My son's been threatened into our house. We're living with
it. You know, I don't know what your theories are, but we're living with the reality of
it. We didn't pay millions of pounds to live in this street. When we bring this type of
people to opposite us, we didn't do that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We're not able to speak.
You wouldn't live like that. Have you anything more to say on behalf of Mr. Hacking? Yeah.
He said also it's completely out of character with the road. Okay. Completely. That's time.
Thank you. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. And then we have the applicant, Mr. Asefa.
Asefa. No, no, because he was speaking on behalf of the objector, so you can't answer
the questions. Mr. Asefa, if you'd like to go. If you can introduce yourself, then you
have three minutes to speak. I'll be giving a warning when you have a minute left. Sure.
Good evening, everybody. Thank you for having me here. My name is Asefa. I'm the director
of the Children's Home. So I have 10 years of experience in running Children's Homes.
We're an Ofsted regulated good provider. We have probably about five Children's Homes
within London and about 30 other semi-independent placements in and around London as far down
south up north to Harrow. In regards to the complaints from the gentleman behind the neighbour,
we have had no women, no female children in the home. So I'm not sure where they could
have come from. So our placements that we've had in the past have been only males. Another
incident he mentioned was there were big people adults. We're Ofsted regulated, so we're only
allowed to have children within the certain ages that we're permitted to, which is, in
our case, 10 to 15-year-olds. So I'm not sure of these incidences. I believe he said that
his son or somebody was attacked, perhaps, or I believe he said somebody was attacked.
I've had no police records or incidences or anything like this have come to us. Furthermore,
our neighbour is directly right next door at Carter House. There are young residents
there in the family, two or three sons, and we've had no incidents of them either. That's
all I have to say. I'm open for any questions.
Questions, Councillor Callick.
Yeah. Can I just have some clarification? Have you been using this property as a children's
home prior to this application?
Yes, so prior to this application, we have had residents there.
And for how long?
Probably about a year. Well, I couldn't give you the specific date. I think probably it's
going to be December 23, January 24.
Thank you.
Councillor Roberts.
Thank you. I think you're touching. You said that you've not had any specific complaints
from the police about misbehaviour disruption at this care home.
So what I said was in regards to the attack on the gentleman's son, my understanding was
he said his son was attacked or his son was approached, which is what he said, I believe.
We've had no complaints in regards to that. We haven't heard anything in regards to that.
When we first moved on to the street, we introduced ourselves. I actually did it myself. I introduced
myself to my neighbours and myself and my colleague. This is the first two days of moving
in. In regards to the police, police have been called to the placements in the past
by ourselves. I'm not sure if police have been called by neighbours, but police have
been called by ourselves. And we have had those police cab numbers. And this is when
we've had to ask the police to move young people. And so if any young person has been
an issue or concern to the home, we end our placements and ask the police to take them
to, back to social services. And that has happened in the past when the child has been
a nuisance, no nuisance, excuse me, but has caused problems in the home and we have had
to, you know, end our contracts.
How often has that been the case?
That's -- I've ended a contract once.
Just once?
Sorry, twice, twice, two different contracts within that home, yes.
So the objector was implying, or seemed to be implying, that this was taking place on
a regular basis?
So this here was prior six months or seven months. So this is, well, this was up to probably
March, February, March. And what happened was we had to do a risk assessment and we
decided which type of residence we would like to work with and which type of residence we
don't want to work with. So I'm sure the neighbours also confirmed there hasn't been any issues
since probably February, March of this year upon our new risk assessment.
Mr Barnes.
Can I just ask what sort of needs the -- I mean, it may have changed after your reassessment,
but what sort of needs these children do have who you are housing in this property?
So moving forward now after our risk assessment, to be clear?
So the young people now coming after our risk assessment are typically between 10 and 13
years of age. So once again, they're not coming from units, no more secure units, which is
where some of them were coming from prior. Now it's young people who are not able to
live with their parents, have come from domestic violence, domestic violence homes, and now
taking them in to protect them in their not-home homes. That's upon our risk assessment.
Okay, Councillor Conway. I'd like to ask you a bit more. So you've been running for about
a year, you said. In January, the ruling came that you were running unlawfully, that you
were operating the children's home unlawfully, but you're still doing it. You haven't ceased
between then.
So the placement's been running while the application's been going and we're just waiting
for information, because we were told that we should have, to be honest with you, I believe
this is the application being put on hold by the planner, and we were told that we should
have got a notification by March gone. So we've just been waiting for the update, and
only just recently, while it's been told that it's been pushed to committee now.
The application for planning was put on hold?
Yes, because the initial application was a law for development application, because all
our replacements have been law for development. So we had started our law for development
application. We were then told that we need to now go for a full planning application,
which we're initially unaware of, which we started, and from then we've still been a
placement.
And are you registered with Ofsted?
Yes, we are registered with Ofsted.
Is there a view about, I mean, you're probably operating not quite long enough maybe to have
an inspection yet, but you must have had communication with them through your registration, so how
is that?
So our placements up to now, which are the placements we've now stopped at DOLS, they're
DOLS applications, yes, so under DOLS applications we were able to run the service without the
application date of the registration.
I'm quite sure I understand that. My other one is about how you're running it, looking
at what you submitted about the activities, the staffing and the activities that are provided.
The children who are there seem to be not going to school, but having one hour a day
or two hours a day of educational activity with care staff. So should they not be going
to school? What is the situation with the children that you're looking after there?
So placements, referrals, excuse me, referrals could come at any time within the year. Academic
school would perhaps allow you to come in either September or perhaps in January, so
if it's a case where it's in July and, let's say for example, if you're taking a referral
in July, you can't actually place them until September, so what we do is we homeschool
them until the next entry for schools.
One of the activities that showed them just having educational activity for two hours
a day, no schooling, I didn't mention them going to school at all, but they will be going
to school, will they? From now, they've been registered with schools and they're going
to school?
So for example, I'll give you a case. So there'll be, for example, a case would be where a young
person may have come during a period where there was no more entries to school. We would
then homeschool them until we can get them back into school. What we'll do is call in
somebody to come and call in a tuition to come into the placement and give them tuition
within the homes, or activities within the community.
Yes, I'm not really clear about all of this. What age are the three children, three boys
that are there at the moment?
Ten to fifteen.
Not clear, I'm not sure, but I have enough questions at the moment. Any other questions,
Councillor?
Would you like me to make anything clear at all?
So are these children under 24-hour supervision?
Correct, yes.
Overnight supervision?
Correct, two members of staff.
Okay, all right, thank you.
Okay, thank you very much.
I'm sorry, you're not able to say any more, thank you. If I can ask the officers if you
can clarify about the operation of this care home, how that reflects on application for
planning permission?
Well, the operation of the care home is under 24-hour supervision, so there will be, as
the gentleman said, two members of staff on the premises throughout day and night. So
the children that are in care will be supervised throughout the day and night, basically.
I'm not clear that this home is run properly or effectively from what we've heard, but
is that something we can take into account in an application for planning or not?
Well, as far as I'm concerned, the application was for a proposed use, but it appears that
the use began when the certificate of application came in, because this application was submitted
in January, and the certificate was made unlawful in January, so it appears that they've obviously
began use back then. But obviously we wouldn't hear of problems, and we have consulted environmental
health, and normally if there are any issues and complaints from the neighbours, normally
we would consult environmental health with regards to unsocial behaviour, but I'm not
aware of any unsocial behaviour taking place at the premises.
I'm sorry, I can't hear any more from you.
Just very briefly, also the Speaker said it was registered with Ofsted, and so some of
the issues you're talking about are potentially Ofsted, the issues that would be reported
as regards to management of the home going forward, so your decision tonight relates
to any planning issues.
So I think you've just answered that, but I've just googled the Ofsted report on this
company, and it requires improvement to be good. Are we saying that we can't take that
into account when getting rid of a family, single dwelling family home on a road which
is generally family to be taken by a company which, as Ofsted has said, requires improvement
to be good? Where does it fall into planning, where does it fall into safeguarding?
In my opinion that doesn't, for example, if it was a school and they needed improving
at the loss, you wouldn't be refusing the application relating to the school, and it's
the same. So I'm not saying it's not an issue, or a potential issue, sorry, but it's, as
far as I'm concerned, that's for another agency to deal with.
This is where my difficulty comes, because from what we've heard from the Ofsted report
and from the owner and operator of this home, it does appear to be not running very well
as a home. And I'm concerned that we give planning permission for operation to a home
that isn't running effectively.
This is a planning application.
It's a planning application, yes. I have concern for the children who live there.
And if Brigitte was still here, Director of Children's Services, I think she'll probably
say that Barnet would not be placing children in a facility that's only rated as requires improvement.
So this is a planning application we're dealing with, and that's it?
As I say, we need to decide whether this location is a suitable location for this sort of establishment,
and we need to disregard any problems that there may or may not be with the organisation.
Sorry, as Councillor Barnes just said, its decision is whether this is a suitable location for us.
Now, taking into account, can we take into account the occurrences that happened to decide
whether this is a suitable location?
As I said, it is time to off state, just like it was the education, and I do not think you can.
And also, you don't have that evidence in front of you. You've heard from it.
And I'm not disputing what was said, but a lot of what was said does not necessarily, or maybe all,
relate to the house. That's not a reason for refusal. Those are other issues.
Anti-social behaviour can be an issue for the police or other organisations,
but it is not necessarily, and I don't think in this case, a planning issue.
I think we need to look at the mixed character of the area, and decide whether the change of use
would be within keeping with the mixed character. So there are flats and HMOs already existing.
It's within very close proximity to public transport, local facilities, the underground station.
So the officers consider that this will be in characteristics, although there are residential,
but the actual premises will also be used as if it's one single family house,
because there wouldn't be any more than six people living together at any one time.
So there is no intensification of use of the premises.
Thank you. So there's nothing else. We will go to a vote. The officers are recommending approval.
All those in favour of approval. Two. Those against. One. Two not voting.
So this application is approved.
This application has been approved on planning terms. Thank you.
We have finished with this item. If you heard what was being said, we've carefully considered planning consideration.
Thank you.
Thank you. We're going to we're now we're going to move on now.
We're moving. Thank you. We have the decision has been made.
It's now nine o'clock and we're going to move on.
I hope you heard from the discussion that you're not.
It's five, eight minutes past night and take a very brief comfort break for three minutes.
Good evening, all. Hello. We're having comfort. I'm not my call.
Good evening, all. So this application is that Edgwarebury Road proposing variations of condition four related to the levels of a grant permission for an 18 hole golf course.
So the amendments are due to, you know, safety reasons.
They require slight alterations to hold six, eight, nine and 18.
So the application outline boundary is this area here.
Used to be a mix of our farm land and now it's, you know, the implement the ground permission has been implemented in so far as that ground works and excavation works have taken place.
So the scheme is extended.
So this is a site photograph facing south, which is in the top portion of the site here where that pond is.
You can see that there. This is facing west towards the A41. Just for context, sorry, the site is bounded by the M1 to the north.
Edgwareway to the west. Facing east.
So on the drawings here on the left, this is part of the approved application on the right is the current proposal.
So you can see some slight cosmetic changes, namely the ponds, but there are some some level changes that take place across the cross section of the site.
I mean, the variations are minor to the degree you can barely distinguish between proposed levels and approved levels.
So the red line at the top of the screen there, that is the proposed and in and amongst it, you can, the approved one is there as well.
Variations are minor, but sufficient enough to require planning permission.
So this cross section here follows this line across the site.
So no changes have taken place to the approved application, so the scheme of the principal of the golf course is acceptable.
No changes there. No impacts and neighboring amenities.
Additional information was required in terms of ecological information, but that's been provided and that would be conditioned to ensure compliance.
No objections raised by internal or external consultees.
So we are recommending approval subject to a deed of variation, which is to basically transfer the legal, the heads of terms, the legal agreement into this current application.
So that legal agreement included the travel plan of which the monitoring contribution has already been paid in full, ecological information, which I just mentioned earlier.
Alongside that, what is it? It's to ensure, so there was an equestrian business on site.
And as part of that, they needed to secure a suitable location and an associated lease.
So they fulfilled that and have agreed to that to 2029.
So as such, we are recommending approval subject to a legal agreement.
Does anyone have any questions?
Thank you. We have one speaker on this, Robert Husband. Mr Husband is here.
The applicant is not here, or the agent. So have members any questions or comments to make on this?
Otherwise, we will go straight to the vote.
The officer's recommendation is for approval. All those in favour of approval.
That's all. This application is approved.
Thank you very much.
The next item is Roman House.
Thank you, Chair.
The application is for Roman House, which is a four storey building at 296 Golders Green Road.
It's currently in use partly as offices, but also as a health medical facility run by HCA Healthcare in conjunction with the Wellington Hospital, whose main base is in St John's Wood.
The proposal is a part four, part five storey side and rear extension to continue the medical use as an additional storey on top of the existing building, together with associated works.
So this is the location plan.
So this is the north circular up here. So it's one of the first buildings on the left as you come away from the north circular. This is the building here.
Backs onto these blocks of flats at James close to the rear here and riverside is a block of flats on this side. Opposite, there's a redevelopment to provide a new synagogue. And then this is 125 Princes Parade, which has also got planning permission for redevelopment up to four or five storeys.
The site here is the site of 290294 Golders Green Road, which has permission for development of 111 flats. As far as I'm aware, work has not yet started on that scheme.
So as you can see, the context are, as we saw on site yesterday, four storey buildings are the norm in the area.
So here we go. This is riverside drive here. Block of flats, that's the north circular. And this is the front view of the existing house. And these are the blocks at James Court to the rear.
Along here, you'll see this treed verge at the rear of the site. That's the decoy brook. And in fact, that part of the site lies within flood zone three.
These are some site photographs here. So this is the entrance of the site. This is the building car park. And this is the relationship to riverside drive flats.
And that's a view from inside the site, looking to the rear.
Photograph at the front showing existing disabled parking spaces and a view from standing in the rear, looking back up towards Golders Green Road.
As you can see, the site slopes from south to north. That's the current entrance.
And that's the rear context showing, looking back up towards Golders Green Road. This is the building. And then this is riverside drive.
You can see a number of windows and balconies which serve those blocks of flats.
This is the existing elevation. This is just an example of or image of the approved development next door, which I say hasn't yet commenced.
But you can see the relative scales of the adjoining sites.
That's the side elevation facing riverside drive. And the rear elevation with the brook at the back.
The existing lower ground floor, which has got accommodation towards the rear here and the parking area.
This shows you decoy brook and that existing treed verge, which provides a buffer zone to the brook and the existing ground floor.
First and second, third and fourth floors and the roof plan.
So the proposed building. So this is the additional floor which would be put on top of the existing building.
Then this is the four storey extension to the side, which also wraps around to the rear.
But again, you can see its steps would step up from the property on the left hand side at riverside, but would still be lower than the approved development next door.
So this would be the side elevation facing riverside drive.
It's easier to see from the floor plan, but the actual side extension here is set back in the front of the building.
So it has a more subservient appearance in the front. These windows here would all be obscure glazed.
There's no possibility of overlooking of the riverside drive flats and balconies.
This is the rear renovation that you'd see from James Close,
although there is a quite significant tree screen along the back boundary here. This is the proposed lower ground.
So this is the existing building here, and this is the proposed lower ground which has sort of service accommodation.
It's also going to have below, if I go up to ground floor, the car parking area, which is going to be on a raised deck at the back to try and minimize digging and foundations within the buffer zone alongside the brook.
But the ground floor obviously for the main building here, the new accommodation and then the parking area and the servicing arrangements to serve the new building.
So in terms of appearance and design, this is the original, quite an unusual shaped building.
This is mirrored in the new building to try and articulate this elevation, so it's not just a blank elevation, sort of similar recessed areas and cut-ins have been accommodated as on the existing building.
So this is the proposed first and second floor.
Similarly, this is the third floor and a void area is retained out here between the two buildings.
And this is the fourth floor.
And then as we go up to the top level, there's that new fifth floor.
Sorry, that's the fifth floor, which is on the existing building only. The new extension to the side and rear is up to four floors.
So this is a CGI. So the red brick is the existing building.
This is the new building, which would be in a buff brick, so a bit of a contrast.
As I said, it's set back from the front elevation, so it appears more subordinate to the main building, rather than bringing it up in line with the front elevation.
And this area here is that additional story to be built on top of the existing building.
And the two roof elements will be bronze, zinc clad and that will tie the two buildings together at roof level.
And that's another CGI, as you see from Golders Green Road on the opposite side of the road.
Again, showing the unbuilt development next door to this side and the existing riverside flats to this side.
And that's a view of the side extension.
So the key considerations are that the building is lawfully in use for medical and health care use.
It's essentially a diagnostic and a centre providing outpatient facilities, physiotherapy, cardiology, various services.
It's obviously run privately, but takes a lot of patients from the Wellington Hospital in St. John's Wood.
This is effective, this kind of outpatient department, so there's no A&E, there's no acute services here, no ambulances or anything like that going in and out.
It's just for outpatient appointments.
There's no loss in commercial floor space, obviously, and there's no proposed in principle objection to increasing the floor space for this much needed facility.
One of the other opportunities it creates is to relocate a very local NHS GP surgery from Finchley Road who have outgrown their building and need to relocate.
They can be accommodated in this building.
And it would also accommodate the increased demand for the services provided by the centre as set out by the Wellington Hospital in letters of support for the application.
The side extension is set back, set down, appears subordinate, although obviously it's a large extension, it does appear subordinate in scale to the existing building when seen from the road frontage.
There are no extensions on the side of the building adjacent to Golders Green building next door at 290.
The side extension is set away by a minimum of 15.7 metres at ground floor extending up to 17 on the upper floors from Riverside Drive, which officers consider provides adequate separation between those buildings so as to maintain outlook for Riverside Drive residents.
And at the rear there's a buffer of nearly 18 metres between the proposal and nearest building at James Close.
A sunlight and daylight report was submitted, which shows negligible or very insignificant impacts to a very small number of windows, particularly at Riverside Drive, but not considered to have caused significant detriment to the light experienced by those residents.
If I can just draw members attention to the addendum, which contains the original recommendation one, which requires a legal agreement for travel plan contributions, review of CPZ contributions, which have been recommended by the highways officers and also a carbon offset contribution.
Thank you.
Thank you. We have one speaker on this, Daniel Austin.
If you'd like to turn your microphone on.
There's a picture of the face.
If you can introduce yourself, you have three minutes to speak, you'll be given a warning when you have one minute left.
Yes, I'm Daniel Austin, I've lived at five James Close for the last 32 years. So I've got quite a good memory of the developers. This is not a new issue. The developers have been trying their utmost to develop the land as much as possible and put up the biggest possible building they can get away with.
From my flat at the rear of the building, the proposed site, it's five James Close, I will lose probably about two hours of sunshine into my flat during the summer.
During the winter, the sun doesn't get high enough. Together with the development proposal of 292 Golders Green Road, there will be what would look like a complete overdevelopment and a brick wall around the semicircular site of James Close.
I'm also worried that the development intrudes on the brook, which is subject to flooding, decoy brook, and there is a legal covenant whereby the developers are not allowed to develop within two to three metres of the top of the bank, not the water, the top of the bank off the brook,
because our block of flats sold the land to the current developers some decades ago.
And if you look back through the history of Roman House developments, you'll know that we've basically been opposing their developments and proposals for the last 25 years, certainly since, well, in my memory.
I'm also old enough to remember, I've lived long enough to remember the original residents said that they told me some time ago that the top floor of Roman House and the unusual shape of Roman House, which was alluded to by the planning officer,
is due to the fact that when they were given permission to put up Roman House, the developer or the owner simply ignored the three-storey proposal. It was originally meant to be three storeys, Roman House.
They simply ignored all the council prohibitions and went and stuck another fourth storey on top of the building.
I don't object completely to the development, actually. I've used a Wellington house, I've actually used the services in there. I'm just worried about the fact that it encroaches on the brook.
That's time, thank you.
Any questions, Councillor Conway?
The report mentions that a daylight, daylight, overshadowing report has been undertaken and that is negligible. Any loss is negligible.
Well, nobody's contacted me and there's been nobody on my balcony or on my neighbour's balconies, as far as I'm concerned.
The report only mentions Riverside Drive. It doesn't mention the developer, the developing officers. I don't think it has visited James Close and she hasn't mentioned loss of light or James Close.
You've mentioned at the moment you only get two hours of sunlight during the winter.
I don't get any sunlight in winter because the sun's too low.
Right. So, is this going to make things worse, you're saying?
Well, in summer, and I keep a lot of flowers on my balcony, truth able as it may be, but it is nice to have the sun at least for six months of the year, March to September shining into my room.
Can you show us exactly where you are?
I've got two blocks there, James.
Have you got a pointless stick? Yeah, not that block, the next block. That's it. And I'm facing south west towards Roman House and I've seen all the goings on.
Which floor are you on?
I'm on the first floor at the rear. Not the ground, but the first floor.
Facing that way?
Facing south west. I look right at Roman House.
There's a brook and a lot of trees and greenery between, but you still think that's going to impact on you?
Yeah, and on the gardens of James Close. I've no real objection to the development other than the fact that it just needs to be shifted back a bit.
OK, thank you. Thank you very much.
Then we have the agent, Lewis Westhoff.
Thank you, Mr Westhoff. And again, if you can introduce yourself, you have three minutes to speak and we'll give you a warning when you have one minute left.
My name is Lewis Westhoff. I'm the planning agent and I work at a company called Icini Projects.
Firstly, thank you all for your time. I'm absolutely delighted to speak this evening in support of this planning application for Roman House.
It's been a privilege to work on this project with the applicant, the wider design team and most importantly with officers throughout the council through a very detailed pre-application process and assessment process.
And this is Col Med and us being here this evening to discuss a project that we're all really enthusiastic about.
And one that, if it's granted planning commission, will deliver a significant number of planning benefits, particularly to the health and well-being of the local community.
The applicant of this project is Mr David Rosenberg. He's a local resident and business owner and has really made it his personal mission to see Roman House become a medical facility and centre of excellence.
He's been working very closely with the principal tenant HCA Healthcare or the Wellington Hospital, as officers mentioned, to expand and operate their diagnostic centre on site since 2006.
It's now a real success story and it's done some great things for the local community throughout COVID and again, and it's great that they wish to stay on site in the future.
And his passion and drive is really why we're here this evening. The proposal that we've prepared will really cater for the long-term needs of the Wellington Hospital on site.
It'll provide some fit-for-purpose modern space, but more importantly, as officers mentioned too, it'll enable Dr Adler to relocate on site as well and provide them with some real purpose-built facilities as well.
And ideally, that's going to be closer to his existing catchment of patients.
So the scheme we've designed will cater for both public and private services and we see this as a scheme that's going to benefit all walks of the community.
But it's not only these great benefits that the scheme will deliver. We've also sought to go above and beyond in many other ways in terms of planning policy.
You have one minute remaining.
Thank you. We're delivering an architectural approach that is context-driven with high-quality materials and the use of appropriate setbacks and design measures to protect the community of our neighbors.
We have done a detailed daylight/sunlight report that has considered James close both with this scheme and the extant scheme next door.
We're retaining all trees on site and complementing this with 65 new trees, shrubs and other planting to improve biodiversity and ecology outcomes on site.
We're delivering an urban greening factor of 0.43 and a biodiversity net gain in excess of 12%.
We've also thought about the amenity of our closer neighbors on Riverside Drive.
We've looked at providing some obscure glazing on those windows, too, to ensure that an appropriate relationship is there.
And parking's obviously been another consideration, too, and we've delivered a parking quantum on site that's specifically based on the proposed operation of the facility.
And we're also providing dedicated pick-up and drop-off facilities at the front of the site.
That's time. Thank you.
Thank you. I'm happy to answer any other questions you have.
OK, thank you.
One of the concerns from this objection and from others who have written in is about the brook being so close to the brook.
So what if you could comment on the effects of that and the motivation of any flooding risk?
Yeah, so we've worked very closely with some engineers from Davies McGuire, and they've been engaging very closely with the local lead flood authority on that.
We specifically engage with them during the pre-application process because that rear 20% of the site is flood zone 3, which was mentioned before, too.
So we've been very careful about what sort of works would happen at the rear of the site, too.
And one of the things that the LLFA told us to do was to ensure that we have a five-meter buffer zone, which you can see in this image here, which is denoted by that sort of red hatch.
So all of our buildings at that lower ground floor or ground floor, if you're at the rear of the site, is set back from that buffer zone.
And I think one of the other real positives of this scheme, too, is we've designed a really excellent SUD scheme on site, too.
So we've really thought about how we can control surface water runoff and ensure that flood risk on other properties will be improved.
So we've got a series of attenuation tanks, which you can see there with that sort of blue hatched area in the car park there.
We've got blue roofs, green roofs, and additional landscaping, too.
And it will actually deliver 92% betterment than the current situation on site in terms of flood risk and runoff.
So that's something that we're very proud of.
So there is a five-meter buffer zone. We heard there should be three meters, but there is five meters.
That's correct. Yeah.
And we've sort of verified that through some detailed survey information as well.
So we're very confident about that.
And then I note that for Riverside Drive, you have all obscure glazed windows on that side, so it's not going to affect Riverside Drive.
But the rear there, as we've seen from James Close, especially with the new block that's going up at some point next door, whenever they get back to carrying out their planning commission,
it does look as though it's going to be enclosing and affecting James Close a lot.
So why don't you comment a bit more on that?
Yeah, well, I mean, we've thought very closely about James Close and all of our neighbours, really, in designing the scape.
So I think the closest point, which is the sort of the real sort of pointy end of James Close, is about 17.7 meters in terms of separation distances.
And I think it's about 21 meters to the closest balcony.
There is quite a large, I suppose, separation already if you sort of measure it on plan.
But I think members, you've all been on site as well.
It is a very, very dense, inverted green buffer that will be retained as well.
So there is that natural separation that's there.
Daylight, sunlight's been very, very important as well.
As we mentioned, we've really thought carefully about how the scape can, how we can optimise the scape whilst protecting the amenity.
So, as I said, we did a detailed report for James Close in particular, considering just this scheme in isolation, but also with the scheme next door at 290 to 294.
And it achieved 100% BRE compliance.
So we think that the scheme has a very appropriate relationship with James Close to the rear.
And the amenity of those residents and the gentleman that spoke earlier will be retained.
Where are the new trees you're going to be planting? Because we're taking some down along that bank, presumably.
Yeah, so a combination really. I think perhaps if, so there's a couple of things if you allow me to indulge you to in terms of what we did in some of the earlier iterations.
So the car parking deck that sort of runs along the western boundary, we previously proposed to continue that at grade.
But if we wanted to provide new surface in there, it would have unfortunately meant those trees along the boundary would have to be removed.
Because those roots would be impacted.
So we came up with an engineering solution to kind of keep that ramp going and all of those trees can be retained.
So by doing that, there's been the ability to plant some additional trees along that boundary.
Along the rear of the site as well, there's some existing kind of shrubs that would be removed and replaced and retained.
There'd be some additional planting along the eastern boundary.
And I think maybe if we're able to get a CGI up to lots of new landscaping along the frontage of the site too.
So the current front of the site is pretty poor. It has sort of bins there and quite an ugly gate.
So we've actually designed a nice sort of hard and soft landscape frontage there to the site too.
So yeah, we've sort of maximised as much as we can and on the roofs as well, where we've been able to, we've provided green roofs and blue roofs as well.
And also managed to squeeze some PV panels on there too.
A couple of us were wondering about, what's a blue roof? We know what a green roof is, so what's a blue roof?
So it's a very good question. I'm not an engineer, but the way it was explained to me was you've effectively got a green roof, which probably you're all aware of too.
And underneath that was almost kind of like an eggshell type, an egg carton type situation.
So that sits on the roof and then the green roof sits on top.
So when the water slowly filters through the green roof, it then sits in kind of the carton of eggs.
With the eggs out, the water would sit there and that would kind of slow the release of water leaving the site.
So it's a very interesting kind of model too.
And I've been told it really helps with the thermal performance of buildings too, because axe is a bit of an additional kind of insulation layer too.
Wondering if it was a lake or a swimming pool on the roof or something.
A bit more engineering in it.
Yes, final question. Is there something about GP surgery? Is this going to be an IHS GP surgery?
And has an agreement been, you don't have to say which surgery it is, but has that been separate?
Yes, so I'm happy to sort of mention it too. So Dr. Adler is about half a mile away on Finchley Road. He's in a converted semi-detached house with no disabled access, no pick-up drop-off facilities or anything like that whatsoever.
So as part of this scheme, as I mentioned, the applicants got a good relationship locally too and we're providing space within the scheme for them to relocate here.
So they'll now have the proper modern facilities, disabled access, proper pick-up and drop-off for those who need to get here.
It would also remain within walking distance for the majority of patients.
And there was a bit of a straw poll that was done by Dr. Adler too.
And I've been told that the majority of the patients would actually live closer to Roman House and the current Finchley Road site.
It's going to have community benefits very much as well. Thank you very much.
Yes. Any further questions? Sorry, I've been asking a lot. No, thank you very much.
Any further comments, questions? The officers? No, if we go to the vote on that one, then the officer's recommendation is for approval.
All those in favour of approval? That's all. That application is approved.
I'll try and do at least one more before we say we're going to move on.
So the next one is 1 Daphne closed.
Thank you, Chair. This item relates to number 1 Daphne closed. It's part of the Dolis Valley redevelopment site, which is complete.
The proposal is for, should I come in? The proposal is for part single but two storey rear extension.
The members have also been out on the site visit. This is the site location plan.
And this is the aerial photograph of when the development was actually under construction.
Unfortunately, Google Images don't give us the complete development as it's fairly new.
This is the proposed block plan, and that's where the extension is going.
So this is the house, that's the site. This is Brent Place on the right hand side and Aphrodite Court apartments to the left.
Site photographs. This is facing onto Brent Place.
This one again faces onto Brent Place. Brent Place is sited at a higher level and the application site is at a lower level.
This is the rear elevation of the property and this is the front elevation of the property.
So there's more site photographs. So we have Aphrodite Court apartments, which is a fair distance away from the boundary of the application site.
And again, this is facing to the rear part of Aphrodite Court apartments.
And same with this. So these are the existing and proposed ground floor plans.
So that's the existing and the proposal is to extend three point eight metres deep and across fifteen point nine metres wide,
which is across the whole width of the property with a flat roof design approximately three point two metres high.
This is the first floor planned. This is the existing and the first floor again would be three point eight metres deep and it's five point three metres wide.
Existing and proposed rear elevations. This is where the first floor extension is.
It's five point nine metres to each side and it's approximately six point four metres to the overall pitch.
The officers have consulted with the design team and is the view of the officers that the design of the proposal relates well to the existing dwelling house.
There has been objections where Brent Place has sort of objected with regards to overlooking and loss of privacy.
There is a new window that's been proposed within the first floor elevation facing Brent Place.
However, yes, this is the elevation that faces onto Brent Place. There is an existing window that's facing Brent Place.
And as I said earlier on, the siting of Brent Place is at a higher level and this is a lower level, so there would be no overlooking and the existing window is already there.
There's no overlooking from that. So the actual proposed window would go in the flank elevation of the first floor, first floor extension.
It is noted that there has been a tree that's been felled, which was part of the original development, which was considered to be kept.
However, unfortunately, that's been felled. But there is a condition that's attached to this permission.
If the members are minded to approve the application this evening, that a condition will be attached for replacement planting an appropriate size.
The tree will be planted in the rear garden to replace what's been lost, basically.
So just to run through the PowerPoint slide proposed side elevations.
And this is the additional window that's looking towards Brent Place.
That's the existing. So there will be no additional adverse overlooking impacts to those residential properties cited on Brent Place.
OK, so just to summarise, the overall design works well with the main house, which the main house is of a modern alternative nature.
It's considered that it would add architectural interest to the rear renovation by having a pitch route.
The extension would be suited for distance by 4.3 metres from the boundary of numbers 38 and 38 Brent Place, which are, as I said, on a higher level.
Thus, it would not lead to a loss of light or overshadowing or overlooking and car park courtyard buffer zone measuring at least 10.6 metres would separate between the proposed and Aphrodite court apartments with views towards them through the proposed.
First of all, window achieved at limited oblique angles.
The officers recommend approval subject to conditions. Thank you.
Thank you.
One speaker.
Oh, sorry.
If you can introduce yourself, you have three minutes to speak.
Sure.
Good evening.
Before I mean more to the main topic of this red extension, I would just like to clarify one thing about the tree.
The tree was removed after getting permission from council.
Once we had the word.
So I was talking with the tree, which was removed, which is the main cause of comments which received the objections.
Now, the tree was removed after getting the permission from the council.
Now, many of the complaints, they think that it was removed to make space for this red extension, but that was not the case.
The tree was already faltering and in December last year, one of the branches, no clues, and it was almost fell on the shoulder of the sun was playing in the garden.
That's when the owners decided to get rid of the tree.
Now, coming back to the extensions.
Well, I don't have much to say, as you have said about the elevations and the distance from the proposed extension to the adjacent flats.
You can see that the proposal harmonises nicely with the existing elevations.
The extension by no means hinders anyone's light or view.
Yeah, so that's it.
Nothing more.
If you have any questions.
Thank you.
Any questions?
No. Thank you very much.
Any further questions or comments, the officers?
No. Should we go to the vote then? The officer's recommendations for approval.
All those in favour of approval.
That's all. That application is approved.
We have two items left and it's five to ten.
The constitution says that these meetings should finish at ten.
But I'm authorising that we can go on until a maximum of ten thirty.
So the next item is 811 High Road.
Hi, good evening. So I'm here to present an application for change of use of retail unit into new restaurants and one smaller retail unit at 811 High Road.
So the application site concerns the ground floor commercial unit for three store of a three storey building formerly occupied by Flying Tiger.
The application site is within the town centre, is designated as primary retail frontage.
The application site is also identified as a retail zone in the North Finchley town centre framework.
So here's a site photo showing the front, rear and internal.
So following the committee members' visit on the 2nd of September,
it was observed that the dividing wall has been erected inside the proposed restaurant, which appeared to have subdivided the unit.
The applicant has confirmed that this wall will be removed in the event of approval.
So members are minded that there is a forward proposition on the previous approved scheme to simplify the existing Class E into two Class E units,
in which the principle of development is considered acceptable.
Therefore, the key considerations is that for this application is the impact of the proposed restaurant with the re-aducting in terms of characters, neighbours amenities, highway and waste management.
So this is the layout and the proposal will lead to the subdivision of the existing 160 square metre unit into two smaller units of 47 square metre supermarket and a 55 square metre restaurant.
And this is the front elevation and the short alterations to the short front is deemed acceptable.
And the ducting would be placed on the southern block of the building where the red arrow is.
And it's 1.5 metre taller than the ridge line, but it's quite 25 metre away from the front facade, which is not quite visible.
And therefore the ducting would not look disproportionately in scale, massing and design.
So the impact on neighbours amenities, so it is noted that the ducting would be located near to the residential flats above,
but our environmental health offices have viewed the noise impact assessment and the order management plan and it was deemed acceptable subject to conditions.
And it's also the opening hours of the shops and the restaurant would be controlled and there would not be any seating arrangement for the restaurants.
So therefore we just want to reiterate that we have got a full position on the previous approved schemes
and we noted that there's a lot of concerns related to the introduction of hot food takeaway and that would lead to unhealthy diet.
But this proposal is not for hot food takeaway as it will fall into a sui generis use class.
And if they would like to have hot food takeaway, they have to submit a further plan application for it.
So therefore the application is recommended for approval, subject to conditions. Thank you.
Do you have one speaker? Oh no, it's just the applicant. No, the object is the applicant.
If you can turn the microphone on, there's a face image.
Can you see the face? That's it. Introduce yourself and you have three minutes to speak and you'll be given a warning when you have one minute left.
My name is Arunesh and I'm the owner and director of Bus Periperi Limited. This application was originally filed back in December.
Then it was requested for withdrawal due to the application wouldn't be successful.
Then we reapplied with all the recommendation from the council being modified.
And in terms of the extraction ducting, the ducting will only have an outer layer.
There will be no noise as the silencer will be installed and there will be no any pollution or any sort because there will be filters and everything which will be installed inside the shop.
So there will be no mess, no noise, any disturbance to neighbours in any way. As well as in terms of the food, the business is proposed for a healthy Periperi grilled food.
There's not any oil involved in terms of the side of it, just a healthy alternative food for the high street.
This business approval will provide at least 15 to 20 jobs for the locals and the approval means it's good for the community and the area.
There's no harm in any way for any reason. Thank you for the opportunity and I'm happy to answer any questions.
Thank you. Any questions? It was very useful having the sight of it yesterday and seeing what's being done there.
I think we saw a lot of what we need to see. Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Can I just confirm with you when you say no take away?
I mean, it's mostly a restaurant to sit down and eat the restaurant, but they will be doing take away as well.
So when we consider a restaurant, normally they will do take away, but we've got seating.
So the premises would be majority providing seats for customers.
That's why we will not consider it as a hot food take away.
And also the condition seven about it shall have no seating arrangement.
We were told earlier that meant seating outside on the pavement rather than inside. Can that be clarified?
It's not clear here. Correct.
I think the conditions could be amended as external seatings.
That could be amended. Yeah, I think that needs to be clear.
Thank you. Any further questions or comments? No.
Then we'll go to the vote on that one. The offices recommend approval.
All those in favor. That's all that application is approved.
I mean, that goes to the last item. One three eight high road.
Hi. So I'm here to present the application at one three eight high road for the conversion of existing building into three self-contained units.
Flats including first and second floor retention. So previous application were refused at the committee for the conversion of existing building into three units already.
But this scheme is currently the previous refusal scheme is currently contested at appeal.
And this resubmission has reduced in size and number of total occupants, which would be discussed at later section.
So this application site is on the eastern side of the high road near a junction of the Leicester Road and is within East Finchley Road.
The property is comprised of a commercial use for a Thai restaurant formerly and now is vacant.
So this is the existing and proposed block plan and some aerial photos and site photos internally and externally.
So this is the site I've taken on the first floor on the neighbors to the right, which is number one three six eight and offices were not able to gain access to what our number one three six B on the second floor.
But this photo was extracted from the previous application and looked at that number one three six eight and B were not considered a fully functioned self-contained unit as they shared a communal bathroom.
So there are two reasons that was refused at the committee previously is due to the character and impacted neighbors and also failed to enter a legal agreement to mitigate the highways and car parking impacts of proposed development.
So I'm here to try to compare the two schemes.
So previously there is two number of two bathroom three person units, eight person in total, and now the current scheme would be providing for three one bad two person units, which leave about six person.
So this is the comparison on the ground floor and the existing one, the previous refusal one and the current scheme.
So that's not much of the changes on the ground floor level.
But on the first floor, you could tell there's a set in by two meter on the side and the rebuilding line is projected up to the one aligned to number one four zero.
And this rooftop roof level is the same set in by two meter on the side and aligned to the boundary of 140.
And no changes to the front compared to the previous refusal scheme.
But you could tell from the size and it's significantly reduced.
And this is the section plan comparison.
So offices are considered that the proposal has reduced in size and depth and numbers of occupants and that there are dual aspect nature of the kitchen in the first floor flat and on balance that would be fine as acceptable level of outlook and light to the neighbors.
And in terms of the previous concern on poor amenity for the occupants is noted that that's the first floor and second floor internal space are measured 55 square meter, which is five square meter more than the required internal space.
So plus, there's no existing accommodation, which has benefited from outdoor amenities space. Therefore, on balance, we find that this application is recommended for approval subject to conditions.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Okay, we have no speaker on here on this one, but just the agent, Mr Hill.
Thank you again, if you can turn the microphone on, introduce yourself, you have three minutes to speak and be given a warning when you have one minute left.
My name is Chris, I'm a senior architectural designer working at DPA Architects, the agent for the plan application.
I'd like to thank the chair for giving me the opportunity to address you this evening.
As explained by the plan officer, this application seeks to extend and partially convert this building and thereby create three self-contained one bedroom flats.
Under these proposals, part of the existing ground floor restaurant would be retained, but only as Class E, to use as a suitable small retail unit.
While preparing the second application, we listened carefully to the concerns and specific requests raised by your officers alongside those advising out of public consultation.
We then went on to amend design to suit these concerns and requests.
The goal of these amendments was to address these concerns, provide additional information as appropriate.
The outcome of the process of collaboration with the council is a scheme which addresses all the local national plan policies
and which will deliver new homes in the borough, whilst at the same time safeguarding the amenities of the occupiers of the neighbouring flats.
In terms of design, as noted within the plan officer's report, the extension would be in keeping with the previously approved extensions to the other properties adjacent.
In response to the concerns raised by neighbouring residents, the planning officer and assessment of daylight and sunlight was undertaken, which confirmed there would be no loss of light to the residents within 140 High Road.
The main amendment to the previous scheme was to reduce the width of the gap between our proposed rear extension and 136 and 136B.
As the planning officer's report notes, the separation between the proposed flats and the commercial yoga studio to the rear is such that there will be no material harm to the amenity.
Planning officers giving responses to public consultation comments in addition to those responses, I would like to point out that should planning permission be granted,
development will proceed in accordance with other relevant areas of legislation, including the Party Wall Act building regulations.
This will provide additional safeguards relevant to concerns raised including matters such as sewage, means of access, erection of scaffolding and dust control.
To confirm the applicant is content to accept the terms of the proposed recommendation to grant planning permission, he is happy to comply with the proposed section 106 agreement,
which will fund measures necessary to prevent future occupiers of the scheme from using parking bays within the controlled residents' parking zone.
He is also happy to comply with all the other drafted planning conditions.
The applicant has asked me to use this opportunity to explain the history of the site and the reasons for this development.
The building was purchased by the applicant's father in the late 1960s.
It has always been a difficult shop to lease due to its size as well as the inclusion of the upper floors.
Many businesses have struggled to survive in this location.
The last two businesses failed due to the fact the upper floors included within the lease can only be accessed through the shop and therefore unable to be utilised.
The applicant's aim is not to maximise the value of the site by cramming in as many flats as possible, but many to make this site work.
A smaller number of flats, a smaller more easily lessable shop will allow this building to remain in the family into the future and will bring back to life what is at the moment essentially a dilapidated shell of a building,
whilst at the same time supplying high quality accommodation and enhancing the love industry.
Thank you.
If you can wait and see if there are any questions?
No questions? Thank you.
Any questions to the officers or comments?
I'd like to comment. I'm the ward Councillor for this one and I was also on the committee that refused the last application.
So looking at this application, there's certainly an improvement to taking it away from 136.
Although there is still some effect, I think, on the windows, especially the top window.
But I am still concerned about the ground floor.
The extension on the ground floor, which means that there's very little space at the back.
And I think that's just a congestive and overdeveloped at the back.
So I'm inclined to say that this is still an overdevelopment of this site.
That's my opinion. Anybody else want to say anything?
Could you clarify the space between the end of the building and the boundary wall?
Thank you for your question. So you can tell the rebuilding line is actually having two to 3.7 metres away from the...
Sorry, I was using my own mouth.
But yeah, this bit is about 3.7 metres deep and this rebuilding line, they have a two metre gap.
So in total, the real amenity space is 15 square metres, which comfortably exceeds the London plan requirement.
Thank you.
Thank you. There's no more comments or questions.
We'll go to the vote on that one. The officer's recommendation is for approval.
All those in favour of approval?
There's four and against one. The application is approved.
And that's it at ten past ten. Not too bad. That's all the agenda for tonight.
Thank you very much.
Transcript
Good evening everybody. It's gone seven o'clock so we're going to start the meeting now. I'm
Councillor Claire Farrier and I'm Chair of this planning committee. Thank you all for
attending this evening and I will ask all members of the committee to introduce themselves
followed by the planning officers and the legal officer and governance. As I say, I'm
Councillor Claire Farrier. I'm a Councillor for East Finchley Ward and I chair the committee,
so if you can, Councillor Barnes, you can start. Good evening, I'm Councillor Richard
Barnes. Good evening, I'm Councillor Tim Robertson, Underhill Ward. Good evening, I'm
Councillor Martin Carlin, Collindale South Ward. Good evening, Councillor Joshua Conway
Hendon Ward. There is one more member who has not arrived yet, Councillor Simberg, hopefully
will be here shortly, but he's missing the meeting. We've gone to the officers. Good
evening, John Sperling, Senior Planner. Good evening, I'm Heidi Oskar, Planning Manager.
Leslie Flohr, Senior Planner. Good evening, I'm Leslie Feldman, Planning Manager. Good
evening, I'm Andrew Turner, Senior Planner. Good evening, everybody, I'm Jimmy Walsh,
the Legal Advisor to the committee. Good evening, for us a governance officer and clerk to the
committee. Right, for the members of the public, we ask that you remain seated throughout the
meeting unless you're called to the table to speak on any particular item. Please note
that this meeting is being recorded and it's being broadcast and this is allowed for in
law and by the council. So by attending, either in person or those who are attending online,
you may be picked up on recordings. Council recordings are covered by our privacy notice
and that can be found on website at bonnet.gov.uk. The way this works is that I will ask the
planning officer to present each item following which each speaker will have three minutes
to put their case to the committee and the governance officer will inform you when you
have one minute left and then we ask you to stay because we may have questions to ask
you. Following which, we'll have a discussion in the committee and then determine whether
we approve or not of the application and this will be announced to you. We'll explain when
you come to the table. If you haven't been here before, if you come to the table, there's
a button to turn the mic on that's like a face with speech signs coming out of it. If
there's more than one microphone at a time, we sometimes get feedback so let me ask you
to turn the microphone off when you finish speaking. Right, so a slight change on the
agenda. The first item will be as is on the agenda of the land of 49 and 51 Burystud Avenue
and then we're going to hear item 12 on the agenda, 61 Pinchley Lane and then 49 St. James's
Avenue and then Ante and House. I hope that makes sense to everybody here to speak on
those. Now with regard to item 8, St. James's Avenue, this is an application really by Barnet
Council for a children's, for a new children's home. So of course, we are members of the
council, people in the committee members of the council. As members of the council, we
are all in the position of corporate parents to children who are in care with Barnet. And
we have a duty to support our looked after children. Two of us are also on the corporate
parent advisory groups. We were aware that this premises had been purchased, but we had
no say in the decision about that. We were just informed about it. So just to assure
you that we are all approaching this with an open mind. We will hear the presentations.
We've read the relevant information and we'll make our decision based on that. So is that
all right with everybody in the committee? Did you want to say anything else, Councillor
Conway? That one? Okay. Right, we go on to absence of members. Councillor Greenspan is
being substituted by Councillor Simberg, who as I say, has not quite come yet. Any other
declaration of interests? No, no dispensations granted by the monitoring officer. An addendum
to the agenda was published this afternoon. I think everybody has had a chance to see
that. The minutes of the last meeting, the first item on the agenda. Have we all read
and agreed the minutes? Yep. And then we go straight on to the first item, which is the
land at 49 and 51 Beresford Avenue. The officers could present that item. Good evening, Councillors.
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. First of all, can I just confirm that everyone's
able to hear me? Yep. Excellent. So good evening. I'll be presenting land at 49 and 51 Beresford
Avenue. The application is for the reserve matters application in respect of details
relating to landscaping pursuant to condition three attached to the planning permission
for the demolition of part of number 51 Beresford Avenue and the erection of six semi-detached
dwellings on land at 49 and 51 Beresford Avenue. This is the location and an aerial image show
showing the site. Just some relevant case history. The application was applied for concerning
outline planning permission for landscaping reserved for the demolition of part of number
51 Beresford Avenue and the erection of six semi-detached dwellings. The application was
initially refused at Planning Committee B, but then later the decision was overturned
at appeal in January 2024. Members should note that all other matters, including design,
access, appearance and parking were agreed and approved at the outline stage. So condition
three of the appeal decision which was written by the Planning Inspectorate set out in a relatively
good level of detail what needed to be provided to discharge condition three relating to the
reserve matters. I can come back to this slide later, but I'll just leave it here for a second.
The description of the development for the current application is the reserve matters
in respect of details relating to landscaping pursuant to condition three attached to the
planning permission for the demolition of 51 Beresford Avenue as described earlier.
Following amendments and additional information, the council's highway officer and arbor culture
officer were satisfied with the scheme. This is the approved site layout as part of the
appeal decision. This is the proposed landscape plan at its fifth revision. To conclude the
key considerations and recommendations, for the proposed hard and soft landscaping, for
the discharge of condition three of appeal decision at appeal, it fully complies with
the explicit requirements of the condition and if fully implemented will represent a
very high quality hard and soft landscaping scheme which were effectively the words of
the arbor cultural officer for the London Borough of Barnet. Following amendments and
additional information, the arbor culture officer and highways officer for the council
were satisfied and network rail also confirmed that they have no objections to make. All
other matters have been approved and subject to certain conditions to be applied for and
discharged prior to the commencement of development on site. This application is recommended for
approval and open handed back. Thank you. Thank you. I have two speakers for this. Jim
Fraser and Kirsty Fraser. Mr and Mrs Fraser here. If you'd like to come forward. Take
your seat and turn your microphone on. You can see a button with a picture of a face
on it. That's it. You have three minutes to speak and we'll give you notice when you have
one minute left and after that we may have some questions to ask you. Okay. It's over
to you. We challenge the recommendations made by the planning officer. Also we have consistently
criticised planners for inflating the number of people they claim to have consulted. Now
without evidence we are accused of the same. The report falsely alleges that the residents
of 37 and 47 have inflated objection numbers. We refute this baseless attempt to discredit
us. We notice that the author of the report is here and I was invited now to apologise.
Mr Turner will you apologise? You made allegations against me. Can you use your minutes to speak
it's up for the members of the committee to ask questions of the officers. Okay. At the
end we'll accept the apology. Previously we provided proof of developers breaching planning
law. Yet the planners sided with the developers abandoned due diligence and acting as their
mouthpiece. In defence of the developers villains the planners' reply was that there was no
reason not to believe the developers. The planners have also misinterpreted the inspectors ruling
on the tunnel airshafts, suggesting the reserve martyrs can proceed before addressing the
safety investigation. They claim they are content that before the development means
that reserve martyrs can be implemented first and then they will monitor the tunnel airshaft
safety investigation. They also added that the outcome not be preempted and they are
satisfied that there is no railway related network rail reasons to refute this current
application. Excuse me Mr Fraser. We often ask people to speak more clearly into the
microphone. Do you think you could just move the microphone a little further from your
mouth? Okay. Would you like me to repeat anything? Okay. That's better. If you just carry on
now we can hear you more clearly. Are you sure you wouldn't like me to repeat? I think
we're okay. Okay. Only if somebody wants you to repeat something they'll ask you to. Their
statement is preemptive and they have no proof. The planners blind faith has resulted in years
of wasted resources. Then we have to consider network rail's decision, clearly stating that
there are issues. Less than two years ago in the rail tunnel just outside Bath a train
burst into flames and smoke and it was the airshafts that saved the passengers and staff.
Network rail have made it clear that they have little knowledge about the air tunnel
shafts under these properties and that is why they need a safety inspection before they
can recommend the current reserve matters. We understand that planning might feel under
pressure to draw a conclusion to this after years of pursuing but given the overall conduct
of the developer and their misrepresentation on planning law, asset protection, Arabs,
consultation, restricted covenants and the failures in planning due process they are
only themselves to blame. There should be no compromises over safety. That's time, thank
you. Sorry I didn't hear that. That's time, thank you. Got any questions or if anybody
wants to hear any more? Councillor Roberts. I just wanted to ask you, have the concerns
of British Rail been widely publicised, made available to local residents and others? You've
got the secret. The British Rail and the chief of the operations, Mark Layton, has written
to the council and planners setting out that it's too premature to allow reserve matters
before the investigation of the airshaft and the ground is carried out. It would be too
premature to do that. They are withholding any judgement on that at this stage? That
is correct, yes. It depends on what you mean by withholding. They've stated the fact that
they do not know whether it's safe or not. Thank you. I think you will find and the officers
may explain afterwards that Network Rail have not made any comments at this stage but there
is a condition that this should be agreed with them before any work starts. Legally
we can't ask for that condition to happen before the decision is made but before any
work starts it needs to be. Thank you for reminding me of that. That was the Inspector's
ruling, yes. Any more questions? Councillor Conway. Putting aside any safety issues, is
there any other issues you have with this? Yes, Kirsty will be bringing these up but
if you like I can briefly run over them. Would you like that? Just the issues which aren't
in regards to safety but in regards to planning? Most of the design of the plans for this development
are called into question because of Millon's own safety audit. They refer to collisions
with cars and collisions with people and if you look at the whole design which is part
of the landscape and you'll notice that particularly number 51, they will actually step out right
onto the road. There are other issues with the road of course. The field of vision is
restricted despite what the report says. We are also concerned with the width of the road,
there's no leeway for emergency vehicles or anything of that nature. Thank you. Any other
questions? No, thank you very much. Mr Turner, would you like to apologise to me? I was just
hearing from you and taking questions now. The officers will have a chance to speak afterwards,
so let's see what they say afterwards. So thank you very much, if you can take your
seat now. I may have Kirsty Fraser who would like to speak. Hi. Hi everyone. Just to remind
you again, you'll have three minutes to speak if you finish use yourself and then you'll
have three minutes to speak. You'll have a warning when you have one minute left. Thank
you. All right, evening everyone. I'm Kirsty from Beresford Avenue. This reserve matters
application should be denied and the statement of support in the planning officer's assessment
is inaccurate, misleading, unsafe and illogical. Firstly, stepping out of 51 Beresford Avenue,
there's basically going to be a gate and the family home will just have no pavement in
front of it and it will walk straight into the highway. This is obviously incredibly
dangerous and the developer safety audit comes up with no realistic option of avoiding colliding
cars or collisions with pedestrians. We did actually have a meeting with Steve and Volley
and we were discussing the problems with that particular exit for that house, the gateway
opening onto a road and obviously as they approach the access road that if they saw
an oncoming vehicle, the car may have to reverse and obviously... Sorry, could I just interrupt
you there? Sure. As you're aware, we're hearing tonight just the conditions about landscaping.
I think the access and the side road and so on. Okay, so just to finish my point... Was
agreed in the outline. Okay, so just to finish my point quickly then. Sorry, no problem.
I'll go back to that but Stephen did say that those cars would not be reversing there which
obviously is not enforceable. Okay, so anyway Network Rail Engineers is premature to deal
with this application now which seems to be acknowledged I think because we don't have
the safety report and the airshafts needs investigations to ensure safety. After a decade
of applications, this is nearly 10 years in the making, millions face two restrictive
covenants forbidding house building over the rail tunnel. We don't know if the tunnel can
withstand ground excavations until the airshafts are properly assessed as per the health and
safety act. Beristed residents in the council cannot accept this application when it might
change after an airshaft investigation would be denied our right to critique and evaluate
the outcome. Our planners feel confident that they can monitor millions after this application
is approved but you've had 10 years to monitor this development over their claims of securing
a network rail assessment, sorry, asset protection agreement. They don't have such an agreement.
The latest report claims planners could manage the airshaft investigation post approval and
back up their unsubstantiated claim that they have recycled their statement, thank you,
from earlier reports. There's no planning or evidence of monitoring any conditions of
the developer over the past 10 years. Millen's has just been relentless, keeps submitting
applications one after the other and at the last meeting they did actually shout, the
last meeting that they attended, they did shout that they were going to keep going and
going and going. Now, we did ask for that statement to be minuted but Stephen didn't
minute it but we did raise that concern. On one hand, to choose to rely on the planners
well documented historic unreliability to monitor millions, on the other hand, to choose
networks rails valid health and safety concerns about this application, we believe it should
be investigated first and then followed up with an amended reserve matters application.
We recommend the committee deny this application and there's just too many ifs and buts about
this application and we just want you to refuse it like every other, all the councillors that
have before you over the last decade. Thank you. Any questions? Yes, Councillor Conway.
What's the issues with the landscaping? With the landscaping? Are we talking about the
actual layout of the, yeah, can you explain what you mean by landscaping and I'll answer
the question if that's all right. I didn't mean that, I'll ask the officers afterwards
but just in regards to this reserve matters application with respect to details relating
to landscaping, what are your issues with the landscaping? I'm not sure how to answer
that question, can I ask the Beresford group that are behind me? I'm afraid you're here
to answer the questions, not other people. Okay, well I have concentrated on the safety
factors here tonight, sorry I can't answer more. Though I would just say as I said to
Mr Fraser, there is a condition from, resulting from the appeal, that the safety report should
be confirmed with networked rail before any work starts. You can't ask for that before
decision is made but that condition is there, then it should be done before any work starts
and the officers will explain that further afterwards, if that's okay. Any further questions?
Nope, thank you very much. Thank you. So as I say, I'll ask you to explain that a little
bit more and if there's any other comments or questions from members at this stage. I'm
sorry, I'm forgetting the applicant. The applicant, the agent we have, Mr Millen, Vincent Millen.
I do apologise for missing you out, that's my area. There's a button with a face on it,
down by your finger isn't it, it's not very good to see. That's it, yes again if you could
introduce yourself, then you have three minutes to speak and you'll be given a warning when
you have one minute left. Hi, my name is Ben Larry, I'm one of the owners of Millen Homes.
Thanks for hearing us tonight. I don't really have too much to say in terms of the landscaping,
almost identical scheme was approved by this committee two years ago. The only difference
was the access came in off a slight different location. In terms of this inspection shaft
that keeps coming up tonight, I thought I'd just cover this off, that was inspected by
Network Rail last year and they've now concreted that over, it's sealed off and it's been purposely
located in a position where it's easily accessible under a car parking space. Network Rail are
happy with it, they've signed off on it. We have a BAPRA agreement drafted and in place,
the only reason that isn't signed is because we have to pay a substantial amount of money
at that stage and until such time as detailed permission was granted, we wouldn't commit
to those funds because it's a very large chunk of money. So in terms of the landscaping we've
worked very hard to make sure that the landscaping officers are happy and the scheme is pretty
much in terms of planting, layout, maintenance, identical to the scheme that was approved
two years ago by this committee. Thank you for your time.
Thank you. Can you just confirm your name? Are you Benjamin?
I'm Benjamin Lowry.
Any questions from members? No? Okay, thank you very much. And again we go back to officers.
Talking about the condition from Network Rail from that point.
So as was detailed in the officer report, the wording of the condition for the Network
Rail was quite specific and conditions need to be clear. There's a criteria for a condition
to make sure that it's clear, understandable and the clear wording of the condition is
no development shall take place until details of the location, extent and depth of all excavations
of the services have been looked into. I'm sort of paraphrasing it slightly but the wording
at the beginning of the condition is very specific in that it says no development shall
take place until details etc. And having worked on major schemes before, if there was the
expectation for those details to be provided before the reserve matters it would have said
something along the lines of prior to reserve matters being submitted.
Is that condition not on these papers? Is that just because it came from the appeal
that that's part of this? No, no. On these papers it goes from condition three to condition
seven. So it's within the body of the report? Right. It's on page 16 of the report which
has been published. I can't say specifically but it is, although that's not in the report
as a condition it is. It isn't a condition which we attached, it's a condition which
was the inspector attached. Thank you. Councillor Canwick. In your opinion is there any aspect
of either the soft or the hard landscaping that will make it dangerous for anyone entering
or leaving the development? So our highway officer has looked into this. Following residents'
concerns they were consulted later on in the process just to be absolutely crystal clear
and they said following an amendment to the fencing which pulls the height of the fencing
down and back they are entirely satisfied that there are no highway concerns. Any further
questions or comments? We've heard mention the air shafts or shaft on a couple of occasions.
Would you like to comment on that as well? So that's entirely unrelated to the landscaping
condition. There's a separate condition which we will deal with and which the applicant
will need to deal with before the commencement of works on site but that's not something
which we can and need to deal with at this stage. Thank you. Any further questions? Councillor
Roberts. Is the application dependent upon that decision that's yet to be made? Whatever
decision we make this evening. No, so the applicant will still need to come in with
those details once the decision on the landscaping has been made. About the rail tunnel going
underneath that is yet to be resolved as well. The proposal is set out to start a report
and there's a lot of discussion tonight, background information for decisions that have already
been made at the appeal. So really what you're looking at, the only decision making tonight
is in relation to that landscaping condition. It's a reserved matter so it's being reserved
without any permission being reserved and you're being asked that decision to make a
decision on that and I'm happy to hear about the background etc but it's not related unless
the subject tells me otherwise to this condition. That will have its life of its own as it would
do like a normal planning application. The report about the railway shaft needs to be
given to Network Rail and agreed with Network Rail before any work can start. That's what
the condition is. Any further? We will go to a vote. The officers are recommending approval
of this application. All those in favour of approval? There's four against, one not voting.
So that application is approved and we move on to, I'm sorry we've finished with that
application now as you heard we were looking at reserve matters. Thank you. We have finished
with that application now and moving on to the next one. We're moving on to 61. We have
finished with that application if you could quietly leave the room now. Thank you. We'll
move on to 61 Pinchley Lane. Thank you. We have heard you and you have heard that tonight
we are dealing with just with the conditions. We've heard you. Thank you very much. Thank
you and we'll move on to 61 Pinchley Lane. Thank you. The next item on the agenda is
61 Pinchley Lane in Hendon. The proposal is for a single storey rear outbuilding, partly
retrospective as it amends a building that's already built on the site. So members of the
committee to the site visit yesterday. This is the property here, one half large property,
one half of a pair of semis here on Pinchley Lane. It's been converted into a number of
flats. These are some site photographs. This shows the front of the property here and the
access way down the side here which leads through to communal gardens and a series of
historic outbuildings and a new outbuilding which has been built along the back of the
site at the rear here which has been built unlawfully and has been the subject of a number
of applications over the last couple of years as you'll see from the report. So that was
obviously the original plan of the garden. The flats, three flats at ground floor level
in the main building have got their own private garden. The rest of the area here was communal
garden for all the flats. These two buildings here and these two garage type buildings there
are lawful. They've been there for some time. Previously the building that was built incorporated
the buildings on this side, extended across the width of the site and extended down here.
So this building has not got planning permission. It's been refused as have a number of variations
to it. An enforcement notice has been served which is now subject of an appeal but awaiting
the decision. You'll see from the report and the addendum that the most recent application
was to amend that building and retain it. In this form here, extending right up to the
boundary of the property on this side here, it was reported to Planning Committee last
year and members refused it and again that application at appeal at the moment but as
of today we don't have a decision on that application. So the current proposal is to
amend the outbuilding further and it would set it away from the side on this side as
well as on this side so there'll be a two metre gap between the building and each side
boundary. The depth of the extension would remain as it is. Its overall height as we'll
see in a moment is 2.5 metres here and as members will have seen on site yesterday,
the actual height of the building is the same height as the fence which runs along this
boundary on this side with number 59. Yep, that's the fence line here and that's the
building and this is the height of the fence to the other side. So this is the unlawful
building that's currently situated on that boundary here so it will be set back, this
part will be removed, retaining this rearmost portion only. The enforcement case relates
to the whole of the unlawful outbuilding here which is required to demolish all these buildings
and the garages on site here. This was the scheme that was refused last year so members
can see there was a distance to the boundary on this side but it projected up to the boundary
on this side so the main difference now is making the building even smaller to remove
this area here to ensure a separation to the boundary of two metres. So in terms of the
key considerations, officers consider the scale of the outbuilding has been reduced,
it's been set back two metres from both side boundaries compared to the previous scheme
refused and the communal garden will be closer in size to the original because of the removal
of existing sheds and reduction in the size of the outbuilding so the application is recommended
for approval subject to conditions. Thank you. Thank you and we have Jodie Benayme to
speak. Mr Benayme, you were going to speak first. Sorry. We usually ask the Councillor
to speak after the other speakers.
I will say first, thank you for coming this evening. It's my dire job not to have to do
anything because you couldn't come. If you can turn the microphone on. That's it. And
then introduce yourself and you'll have three minutes to speak and you'll be given a warning
when you have one minute left. Thank you.
Hi, my name is Jodie Benayme and I live at 59 Finchley Lane immediately next door to
the property with my husband Michael, five children and our puppy. It's been our family
home for the last 15 years. I object to this proposal. We are not property people. We feel
overwhelmed, frustrated and exhausted having to fight against developers who have more
financial power and expertise than we do. We've had to contend with six planning applications
just in the last 20 months, four of which were refused and one withdrawn. This started
when these developers built a series of outbuildings of this location unlawfully without permission.
There's a planning enforcement notice requiring the demolition of all these outbuildings which
the developers are currently appealing. They believe that asking for forgiveness rather
than for permission is an acceptable tactic. With respect, the committee should not reward
the applicant's bad behavior. I spoke before the planning committee last September when
the planning officer was recommending approval for a single story rear outbuilding. All six
members of the committee unanimously agreed with the planning officer and a refusal was
issued on the grounds which are summarized in exhibit one disagreed with the planning
officer. Almost a year later, I am baffled to be back here with the planning officer
again recommending approval for an almost identical proposal. What has changed? Essentially
nothing. In exhibit one, you see clearly that the proposed outbuilding has not changed in
size and is merely moved away slightly from the northern boundary. The committee's recent
refusal reasons of excessive footprint, size, scale, depth and height all remain. In a similar
vein, if it was determined mid last year that a gym is uncharacteristically intensive use
for a residential garden, how can it be acceptable now? Please see exhibit two. Furthermore,
an outbuilding like this is inconsistent with DM01 and would therefore meaningfully impact
the character of our neighborhood. Please see exhibit three. On Google Maps, the only
other outbuilding I can identify with an address on our side of the road is the developer's
other property at number 53. There they first applied for an ancillary use as a gym. It's
never been used as a gym, and then have applied numerous times to convert that building into
residential use, having been refused three times since June 2023 with an application
pending. You have one minute remaining. Exhibit four illustrates this pattern of incremental
building. It's a war of attrition on us and on your resources. We believe they'll do exactly
the same at 61. They've had discrepancies in their application saying there's no water
when there is, saying buildings were pre-existing when they were not. You could see that in
exhibits five and six. They've also had a complete disregard for us and for the law.
They've rented out two of their flats as Airbnbs since day one. They don't care about the 90-day
rule. We can't go in our garden because there's constant smells of marijuana. We're kept up
at night by loud noise. The developers have no regard for us. To conclude, we believe
that this application should be denied for the reasons we've stated. You could see them
in exhibit eight. It's the same size. It's the same use. It's inconsistent with DM01.
The developer has a track record of unlawful developments. They've given, they've not told
the truth. They've been unreliable. They've used their properties as Airbnb, shown unprincipled
behavior and approving them now would just reward bad behavior.
OK. Thank you very much. It was well-timed. Any questions? Thank you very much for this,
which is very, very clear. You worked hard on it. It looks like we have no questions
at the moment, so. No questions. Yes, yeah. I have Councillor Mark Shooter. Thank you
very much, Chair. Good to be back. You've got three minutes to speak. Yes, yes. Three
minutes. I'm not going to time myself. I haven't got a lot to add on an excellent presentation.
He's obviously was here last year, a few times, I think four times. I penciled in my diary
for next year another three times, just, you know, the optimism that he gets refused again.
But last time, you know, we went through it in detail and the committee voted six nil
in against the application. And from what I can see, nothing's really changed very much
from the previous application. It's still the same size, as far as I can see. The height
is definitely the same, 2.45 metres. And it was refused on on height as well, I think,
as well as bulking of various other issues and DMO one, etc. So, you know, what they're
going to do, I mean, they can keep coming back and take an inch off here, there, everywhere.
It doesn't really change the fact that this is really trying to put lipstick on an elephant
but on a pig, actually. So lipstick on a pig is just trying to dress up fat. It's an eyesore.
I mean, you don't Google Earth, you can see there's nothing in the near vicinity, anything
like this. They're claiming that it was it's going to be a gym and they put this, you know,
the foul, the drainage in for the toilets, etc. And I mean, if it was a gym for the residents,
they they have their own apartments anyway to go to the bathroom. I mean, is this gonna
be some kind of luxury spa with a bedroom? I mean, yoga room anyway. It's just, it doesn't
really make sense to me. And yeah, we do have the policies in place. And I just think they're
just trying to keep coming, coming back in order to try and take advantage of, you know,
get something, something through and then do some planning creep on the next one. So
can't really add anything to the exhibits. They will, they will speak for themselves.
It's just, you know, for me, just as a disclosure, I know the neighbours, I know many of the
neighbours who are objecting here. So that's why I felt compelled to speak and obviously
being a ward council, I don't really want to see, I don't really want to see this type
of increase in demise, you know, going, you know, in Hendon and spreading, especially
on that road. It's very important to have other immunity space and gardens, we don't
want people being overlooked. I think Jody alluded to Airbnb. I mean, if you do Google
61, we can 61 Finchley Lane Airbnb, it does come up with a rather nice accommodation.
I think we've got five stars only two weeks ago. So I think four stars the week before
that. But so we really want to try and we do have a housing shortage, but you know,
not building eyesores in gardens. And I think, you know, I think for all the stresses caused
in the area, I think it would be much better if if the committee stuck to being consistent
on the last application, which they turned down convincingly, this is pretty much the
same application. It's just to be the building's done a little walk to the centre. So it's
shifted over. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Any questions? Councillor Roberts. I just
wanted to ask Councillor Shitter, in principle, you against there being a gymnasium at the
rear of this? In principle, are you against the idea that a gymnasium should be the end
of this property? Not not not really. I mean, there's there's no problem having a gymnasium
if it is going to be a gymnasium. We don't want I mean, there's a bit of an application.
Well, there's a grey area. I'm not against in that having gyms at the back of people's
houses, what I'm against is huge, yeah, out of character outbuildings that are actually
ruining the lives of the people next door. So as long as things are built within scale,
and this is clearly not I mean, you can see it from your garden. I mean, it is slightly
over the fence and these are high fences have been put in. So it's quite a large outbuilding
is but those facilities if it was a gym, for instance, then could be used utilised by the
residents of number 61. Yeah, but what's to stop a bed going in as well? That could be
part of it. Oh, what? Sorry, that could be part of it. Well, that's that's the issue.
So if they are running Airbnbs, then they're going to run Airbnbs from there. In order
to, you know, actually, it might I mean, look, if it's open for residents, fine, but it just
seems to be a very large building way too large for the area. So it's really about the
size issue more than anything else.
Do need to be of a certain size by the very nature of what they're there for. Well, they
can be adapted working, they can get smaller if they if they want to just have one less
running machine. I mean, I don't know whether they're planning to service the whole of Hendon
in that size gym. Yeah, thank you. As you know, I was I was on the committee last time
that turned it down. I think I was chairing that committee as well. But there is there
is a big change now. So it has been made a lot smaller. So you're saying it's still rather
long as far as I can see. It's looking at it, does this meet the reasons that the last
one was turned down? So it's an excessive size design, citing scale, depth, height,
and so on? Well, the height hasn't changed the height, as you're saying that it's still
even if the size has changed, I don't think it has based on it might have changed from
the original first application, but from the last one that was turned down, I don't believe
it's changed. You have the exhibits, but regardless of that, it was turned down also on height
and the height is certainly the same height as it was previously that was turned down.
And that was one of the specific reasons that was listed. Alright, well, we'll ask for confirmation
on that we were told that the height is the same. And we saw that the height is the same
as it was in the previous application. Therefore it can't be seen. So it's a matter of looking
at it and in terms of Airbnb, that's not something we can look at now. I know, I know. I just
mentioned it because I appreciate how neighbours may feel about that. I haven't got anything
against Airbnbs either, by the way, I use them sometimes when I go on holiday. We'll
hear from the applicants agent now and then they'll get in the session. Thank you very
much. One more question. Sorry, Councillor Conway. Just following on from Councillor
Roberts' question in regards to gyms, do you think there's any difference when a gym is
in a private resident's home rather than if it's in a large block of flats? Well, I guess
it would make a lot more sense building a gym if you had a resident block of 200 people.
It would be far more cost effective than building a gym for five flats. So I don't know how
much, what the landlord is looking to achieve here. I don't think he's going to achieve
a significant uplift in rent that will help pay for the capital outlay of this supposed
gym. So I don't see personally, I think it was something that was probably thought of
afterwards when there was obviously some scrutiny from complaints from the neighbourhood what's
going on. There's a huge outbuilding that's gone up illegally and perhaps it was retrofitted.
I don't know the history of what happened, but it doesn't make sense for me that there
should be, how much gym equipment you need for five units, five residential units. And
there were many, many gyms all around Hendon as well, very, very good. I think there's
the Middlesex University gym, you've got the gym at Hendon Central as well. So if someone
wanted a running machine they can go and buy their own running machine. The flats are quite
nice sized flats and big enough to host their own workout equipment should they so wish.
Thank you. And then we have the agent George Ray. Thank you. I think you also know the
procedure. If you turn your microphone on, now we have three minutes to speak. You can
all make it left. Thank you chair and members of the planning committee for the opportunity
to speak today. Upon reviewing the objections raised against the proposal, it is evident
that they either follow a repetitive pattern or consist of copied content. All 17 points
in each objection focus on either alleged past accusations or speculative future accusations
by my client. Rather than addressing the actual details of the current proposal, if we concentrate
solely on the facts of the application, devoid of the unsubstantiated claims presented by
a neighbouring party, it becomes clear that the only reasonable conclusion is for this
application to be approved. The proposed development is significantly reduced in scale from the
original application and is smaller than the previous refuse scheme. Frankly, I'm surprised
by the attention this minor application has attracted. The prior refusal considered concerns
about the security of number 59, specifically the fear that people could jump from their
outbuilding into their garden. As well as the outbuilding size and its impact of number
59's amenity space, my client addressed these concerns by repositioning the outbuilding
more than two metres away from both neighbouring properties and ensuring its roof is below
the fence line, effectively eliminating any potential impact to neighbouring properties.
Furthermore, the proposed outbuilding is smaller than similar developments built at numbers
51, 53, 76, 82, 88, 95, demonstrating that it's not out of character for the street.
For these reasons, the planning department has recommended approval. My client has consistently
approached this process with diligence and responsiveness. After the previous application
was refused, he consulted with the planning department, considered the committee's and
neighbours' concerns and returned with a substantially revised proposal. The planning department
confirmed that the revised proposal adequately addressed all the concerns and again issued
an approval. My client has transformed the previously dilapidated site into a well-developed
property with high-quality residential flats, all constructed in strict compliance with
planning approval permissions. When it came to the rear garden, he was misinformed about
the permit to development rights, whilst it was clarified that Albert did not fall under
such rights, he collaborated closely with the council to develop a scheme that meets
planning policies while addressing neighbours' concerns, reducing the size scale repeatedly.
It is important to note that current objections do not cite any planning policy issues, but
rather make baseless accusations against my client, whose objective is to provide functional
mini-space that enhances the residents' quality of life. Objections questioning the
use of the outbuilding as a gym are particularly unfounded in today's context, where integrating
gyms into residential sites is seen as beneficial for physical and mental wellbeing. In summary,
the proposal in front of you today has been meticulously adapted, scaled down and thoughtfully
designed to align with the planning policies and address all previously raised concerns.
I urge the committee to focus on the actual merits of the application and approve accordingly.
Thank you. Any questions? Councillor Roberts?
Can you clarify? The use of the gym is for the residents of the property, not the commercial
entity. In addition to that, I noted that the planning officer said that the three ground
floor flats have their own mini-space, private mini-space, but that they also have use of
the communal mini-space at the rear, so they will also be able to use and benefit from
this area. Any further questions? Councillor Conway?
Thank you. What was the size of the gym in the previous application?
I don't know if I've got the notes, I've got the plans, but I don't know if they're
on the plans, I believe. What is the size? Just because you mentioned
that it's been majorly scaled down, so I'm just trying to work out what.
I said scaled down, and I said majorly scaled down from the original application. So on
the first application, as you can see, that was refused, and each time we have scaled
it down. Apart from obviously the one, the very large one, or the other ones that we
have significantly scaled down, have been approved by planning officers and taken to
committee by the objections of the neighbours. But each time we have reduced the scale. So
obviously from the previous one to this one, it has been reduced, percentage off the top
of my head. Just looking at the plans both here and previously
leading up to this meeting, it doesn't look to me, so I'm just trying to find out what
the actual size is, because it still looks the same. Previously the committee said grants
for refusal are due to excessive footprint, excessive size, excessive design, excessive
scale, excessive height and excessive depth. And I can't see how that has been reduced.
Besides that, it's been moved slightly away from the fence, yet at the same time making
it closer to the other fence. So whilst making it potentially slightly better
for one neighbour, you've made it worse for the other neighbour.
Well, if you look at the other neighbour, if you look at the photos of the other side,
you'll see that there's a massive brick wall on the other side. So in fact, if it is still
two metres away, 2.5 metres in height, which is below the fence line, so it simply cannot
affect any minute space of neighbours. I don't think that is a necessary concern in terms
of impacting the amenity, because you visually can't see it. On that side anyway, you're
saying, so move closer, there's a four metre brick wall on the other side of that fence.
But on that side, yes, we did move it away from the neighbours of number 59, of course,
because they were concerned. I remember at the committee, I don't know, I can't remember
which committee members were here, but they did raise the point of they were nervous someone
was going to climb on the roof and jump into their garden. So we paid attention to that.
We thought it wasn't going to happen, but okay, it was a concern of them, so we moved
it away. We did reduce it off the top of my head, maybe 5-10% reduction. But you've got
to remember, each time from the original one, it's probably about, I would say, half, just
over half the time.
We need to go to the original one, because the previous one was rejected.
Well, to be honest with you, I'm actually talking about this one, and the relevance
of this application. To be honest with you, as I said to you, there were 17 objections
raised. If we go through them, one by one, they're all not really relevant to this application.
They all go on previous applications. That's why I'm trying to stop now.
I'm just asking about this one.
This one is reduced from the previous application. Again, when we've got objection one, again,
it talks about this, I've said, these are just notes I've written down. Objection one
not relevant to this application.
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, as I said, concentrating on this application and the merits of this application, it has
been reduced in size. It can't be seen by the neighbouring properties. The fact the
use of the gym will benefit all residentials. I mean, I know Councillor Shooter mentioned,
oh, it's OK, they can just shove a treadmill in their living room. I mean, it's quite
easy. Thankfully, I live in the house, but I can. Other people may. People living in
flats can't automatically do that.
I think you've answered the question. Thank you. Any further questions, Councillor Kellogg?
Thank you. Having been on a site visit yesterday and seen the existing building, unlawful building,
I've got concerns on two fronts. It doesn't fall for the size and depth of the building,
the actual physical construction there. It's going to be awfully uncomfortable for anyone
exercising in there due to lack of ventilation. And then again, in the winter when it's cold,
it's going to be really difficult for anyone to exercise in there due to the temperatures
involved. So I do have concerns over the actual usage of the building.
Sorry, I apologise. I didn't hear your first. I heard about the winter. I didn't hear.
The existing construction that you have there, minus the end bits and the bits around the
side, so the bit that you intend to keep, doesn't appear to have sufficient ventilation
for anyone who's doing some heavy exercise within the building. And that is a concern
because I have a feeling that it's, if not unsafe, it's going to be uncomfortable.
So are we able to bring up the proposed plans? The proposed floor plan, so everyone can see.
I think you'll find you've got, there's three sides that have access to air ventilation.
On each side, there are two windows proposed. Again, what you saw on site is not what the
end product is going to be. Obviously, that is unlawful. They have to, unless something
happens, they're going to have to knock it down and rebuild according to this plan. So
based on this plan, you've got two windows on the side. You've got the front, which is
obviously the longest stretch, which is proposed full of windows, double doors. I do believe
that there is sufficient ventilation according to the gym requirements. In addition to that,
you talk about being cold winter days and that's back garden. Yeah, my client would
love to have it right close to the house, but that again would be against planning policy
and wouldn't want to do that because that would be a nice door. And well, I was up six
by 30 this morning heading off to the gym. So, and it was dark and cold then. And you
know, I would recommend people do do that. It's quite exhilarating. So I personally in
the winter would recommend people venturing their beer of cold to enjoy benefits mentally
and physically of going to the gym. And that is what this proposal is trying to represent.
Just one point and two questions. You mentioned that your client was previously badly advised
in regards to, he hasn't given in to the thing that he's appealing at. Has he accepted that
he was badly advised? But moving on to the two points, in this current application, on
the application you've written, are you proposing to connect to the existing drainage system?
You clicked no. In that application, it's been clicked. Are you proposing to connect
to the existing drainage system? And it's been ticked no. Yet we can see on site that
there is drainage in the toilet into the gym. So where is that drainage? What is that drainage
in that toilet for if it's not connected to the drainage system? Again, I'm trying to
stick to this application. This application doesn't show any drainage. It was from previous
applications. There is no drainage. Obviously it was done. There is no drainage there now.
From previously, as you say, unlawful development. It simply won't be used. There simply won't
be drainage. You can see there's no, I don't think there's a sink there or toilet showing
that there's a toilet. There is a toilet inside at the moment. Yes, but we're, again, trying
to stick to the facts, trying to stick to the actual application. There is no proposed
toilet there. And there is a proposed, as you say, in terms of, he was badly advised.
Yes, he was. He was told it was a permitted development. The truth is, if it was a single
dwelling house, the proposed, what he built would be considered to be a permitted development.
He was informed incorrectly. It's everyone's right to appeal. Of course it's everyone's
right to appeal. But in essence, this is what, again, I try again focusing on this application,
the merits and the benefits this application will provide. Thank you. Thank you. In regards
to this, once again, this application now, it's written that according to current application,
outbuildings in yellow are labeled pre-existing. We've got an image from Google Maps that shows
that's not true. Pre-existing to the building going down. Pre-existing that worked starting
on 12th February 2019. And in 29th of June 2019, you can see they are not there on Google
Maps. If you go back to the previous plans, you'll see there's four separate plans. The
first plan shows, you're right, original. And you're absolutely right, there are no
outbuildings shown on that. In the current application, it's written that the other outbuildings
were pre-existing. So you're right. So there weren't any. Then, as the planning officer
says, those ones, and these are the ones we were talking about, were then constructed
prior to my client purchasing the property. Those were on site, and deemed north, but
I think the planning officer stated. So there were four stages. So prior to the outbuildings
being built, there were outbuildings there already. You're correct in saying, originally,
there wasn't anything there, which the first plan does show. Is there an error in this
current application? No, no, no. I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying both statements are true.
So there were previous, there were before the un-north outbuildings was built, there
were outbuildings there. But a few years before that, you're correct, there wasn't any buildings
there at all. So I'm saying both statements are true. I'm not denying your statement.
I don't have to really follow that, but I'll just move on to my last point.
Maybe the planning officer can explain.
Yeah, that's fine. I'll send. So my last point. It's been said before, and it's connected
to this application, that the proposed use of an outbuild as a communal gym is also considered
uncharacteristically intensive use for a residential garden. This is still a communal gym and it's
still in a residential garden. So putting aside any, we may disagree on whether you've
made any small or not. It still looks excessive, but it's still a communal gym in a residential
garden, which your client has been told before, is uncharacteristic.
Okay. I appreciate that comment.
Not by me, but the planning officer has said this.
And so my counter argument is, is that fundamentally, I believe that this gym will, and I hope councillors
agree with me, will be beneficial. It might be uncharacteristic, you're right, because
not every house on the street has a gym there. But fundamentally, I really do believe that
having a gym in a block of flats is very beneficial, especially at the moment. We've got to consider
fitness, wellness of people, and it's very nice.
In terms of moving on, I'll take further advice on this, but I think we're not able to consider
what this may be used for. I don't think using it as a gym...
I'm not saying it's being used as a communal gym. I'm not suggesting anything. They're
saying it's being used as a communal gym, and the officers have said that communal gym
is uncharacteristic in this area.
We'll get confirmation of that from the opposition. Any further questions? No? No. Yes. No, that's
all right. Yes. Okay, so if we could have some comments from officers about whether
this use as a gym may be allowed or not.
Clarify a few points. In terms of the size of the building, I just checked the officer
report for the last application that came before committee, and that stated the building
was 3.6 metres by 12.3 metres. The current plan shows 3.8 metres by 11.6, so it's 0.2
metres deeper and 0.7 metres narrower. Same height, but 4.5.
Okay, thank you. I would like to say that, as I said, I was on the committee that turned
this down last time, and it was very apparent then that the sort of wrap-around, it was
a huge overdevelopment of that area and for this site. Clearly, this has been going on,
and we've heard from the speakers, and we've read from the other objectors as well. It's
been going on, causing a lot of nuisance to them for a long time, and I do accept that,
but I'm thinking if this was the first application that came, would we be looking at it differently,
just as this application, without knowing all the other things that were going on, and
we're still coming under appeal. So I'm not decided on that, but we are just looking at
what is before us tonight and coming to try and look at it as though it had no history,
that's what I'm saying. Any further comments or questions for anybody?
Just from the sizing we've just been given, it's just as excessive, and putting it aside,
being built illegally, they haven't taken it down. Besides that, we've got a clear picture
of there being drainage there. The building itself now in this application is 0.2 wider
than it previously was.
I just need to emphasise what the chair said. You're here tonight to consider the application,
which is single-storey, rare outbuilding part retrospective. The history as regards, you
do need to ignore to a certain extent, and also any future potential, if there are enforcement
issues, those are enforcement issues, and that's up to the council to enforce those.
If it goes into residential use, whatever is anticipated, but at the moment, it's just
for the building as proposed, not as you saw on the site visit, and if you're going to
vote to not approve it, which you're entitled to do, then you need to have in mind planning
reasons to refuse this application. I would suggest future enforcement is not a reason,
and the drainage is not a reason. You need to consider this application.
Thank you. If we can go to the vote then, the officers are recommending approval of
this application. All those in favour of approval? Those against? Two. One not voting. I hate
this, the council chair's decision then. I would have to go along with the officer's
recommendation in that case for approval. This application has been approved.
Good evening, everyone. I'm here to present a case at 49 St James Avenue. It's for a change
of use from a C3 dwelling house to a C2 care home for three children. It's noted that the
applicant is the director of Debana's family services, and the children there are typically
aged around 11 to 14 years old. As you can see from the site location plan, the application
site is a two-storey semi-detached dwelling house located in the northern side of St James
Avenue, and the area is predominantly semi-detached houses with some detached houses. The site
has a p-tail of two, which is considered accessibility is fairly poor, but it benefits from a driveway
to the front and a private garden to the rear. So here are some of the aerial photos, and
you can tell that there's a wrap-around single-storey extension. And some site photos to the front
and to the rear. So the existing house is a four-bed seven-person home. There's no external
changes proposed. And the main shared accommodation is at the ground floor level and consists
of kitchen, dining room, living room, and a staff office. And the third floor, you can
tell three children's homes with size about 13 to 19 square meters, which are quite spacious.
Some concerns are raised of the proposed living room for the staff is 5.7 square meters large,
which is slightly small, but because that would not be the primary accommodation for
the staff, which unbalanced, it's fine. So the key arguments here is whether the use
of a children's home would materially impact the character of the area, which is predominantly
a single-family dwelling by virtue of the number of comings and goings and any associated
impact to the noise and safety. So the staff pattern, you can tell, is likely to happen
at about 7 to 11 p.m., which is unlikely to result in an intensification of the use beyond
that expected of a single household. And this is the existing parking and cycle parking
and waste management, which has retained its existing arrangement.
And other considerations involve the principal development, which we find the applicant has
demonstrated there is a need for a care home in the locality. Especially, there are two
councils' children's home and a family resource center, which would be located within 1.1
to 1.6 miles, which is about 20 to 30 minutes walking distance from 49 St. James Avenue
– so it creates a strong support network and has justified the loss of a poorly accessible
family home. And unbalanced, we find that the impact of character and the neighbors'
amenities are acceptable, and therefore the application is recommended for approval, subject
to conditions.
Thank you. Councillor Conway.
Just with permission, although I was not involved in any of this, as a member of the Children's
Education overview and scrutiny subcommittee, with permission, can I just excuse myself
for this application?
I have two speakers on this one. Two objectives, Pfizer-Siddiqui and Zara-Siddiqui, and I think
Mr Ben Chung is going to read their objections. You can come forward.
You can read both objections. You have six minutes. Because you're just reading their
objections, you won't be able to answer questions for them, but you can read their
statements.
Okay. Six minutes.
Yes, three minutes for each.
Good evening, members and chair of the Planning Committee. My name is Ben Chung, and I'm
a planning consultant representing my clients, Zara and Pfizer-Siddiqui. We reside at number
60, Raleigh Drive, which is an immediate neighboring property to the north of the application site.
My clients are deeply concerned about this planning application to convert a single family
dwelling house to what is effectively a U.S. Class C2 residential institution. We know
it's a large number from the local community have voiced their concerns during the consultation
process, with 150 objections and only one letter of support. We sincerely request members
to reject the officer's recommendation of approval and direct refusal of this application
due to the following reasons.
The principle of losing a single family dwelling house within what is an established residential
area is considered unacceptable, as it would create a net loss of family-sized housing
in the borough. This would serve to encourage and exacerbate the continuous and cumulative
erosion of more family dwellings from being lost in established neighborhoods such as
this.
There's been no evidence to suggest alternative sites have been properly considered and assessed.
There are simply no details of any alternative sites being documented in its evidence base
in which demonstrate objectively how alternative sites have been convincingly discounted. We
will simply never know whether those alternative sites may actually have particular advantages
over this application site, and this is considered a serious flaw when properly considering other
suitable sites elsewhere within the borough.
The ground-floor bedroom intended for one of the children is located to the front of
the property and overlooking what is effectively the driveway. This is considered a substandard
living condition for this habitable space, and officers have not properly considered
this issue.
We consider the layout arrangement of the proposal to be substandard and inadequately
thought through, given there is no apparent dedicated staffing area within the property
to provide the basis in which to operate from and provide round-the-clock care. In addition,
having one of the children's bedrooms on the ground floor so close to the entrance could
mean children could escape without supervision.
There appears to be no due consideration for access for all policies, and principles being
applied to the proposed development, nor has it been duly addressed in the committee report.
This is contrary to local plan and London Plan policies.
The site has a PTAIL rating of 2, and is considered poor for public transport accessibility. This
is clearly not a good sustainable site, and that emerging local plan policy suggests the
need for these sites to be in PTAIL at least a 3 to 6. Just because the properties within
close proximity to bus stops do not address the fact the site has overall poor public
transport accessibility with limited bus connectivity.
My clients have stressed that the council should be held responsible if any antisocial
related incidents that occur and to which result in harm to any of their family members,
damaged property and the wider neighbouring community.
Lastly, my clients consider this proposal to be an incompatible use within what is an
established residential neighbourhood, and that other alternative and more suitable and
sustainable sites should be considered instead.
On balance, this is not a well thought through scheme with various weaknesses from a planning
perspective, and that we urge members to refuse primary permission accordingly.
Thank you for your time.
Thank you. As I say, because you're reading these on behalf of the objectors, we're not
able to ask you questions, so thank you very much for your time.
Then we have the agent, Jalpa Patel. You're not Jalpa Patel.
Thank you, Brigitte. So if again you know how this works, you can introduce yourself.
You've got to have three minutes to speak, and we'll give you a warning when you've got
one minute left.
Thank you very much. I am Brigitte Chaudhan, the Director of Children's Social Care, and
I have had the privilege of leading corporate parenting for the last eight years, and I'm
very proud of our achievement, even more so since the services to children in care received
an outstanding from Ofsted recently in our inspection. The reason why I'm mentioning
that is...
Yes, I can just interrupt you to congratulate your matter. We have four members of the council.
Thank you very much.
Yes, it was outstanding.
Thank you. The reason why I mention that is because one of the things that they highlighted
was that one thing that we do very well is to make sure that our children who need to
be in our care are placed at the right places at the right time, and why we need to look
at the placement types is because everybody, most people know that there is a national
shortage of foster carers, and there is also a national shortage, or there's a local shortage
of placements for children to remain in the local area, and one of the things that we've
worked really hard at over the last few years is to make sure that we create local placements
and local options for our children that need to be in our care. We have invested a lot
in trying to recruit more foster carers, but there is still a need for different types
of environments for children, and the reason why we are looking at the children's homes
is that sometimes children need to be in a different environment, not a family environment,
but we want them to be local. We want them to not have to be placed out of the area,
and far distances from their connections, from their families, and from their schools,
and the reason why we also want a small children's home is because if we have the children living
locally, going to local schools, there is a higher, better chance of them returning
to their birth families and moving on to foster care if necessary. Barnet has three other
children's homes that are run very effectively and have had them for some time. We have had
excellent feedback from Ofsted and they're all graded as good. For this home, we will
have three children residing with at least two members of staff at any time 24 hours
of the day. They will attend school, and when necessary, if they have to attend other appointments,
they will go to the appropriate venues just like any other family, and this will be their
family home. This will be their home where they reside, where they are safe, and where
they can be protected and they can be nurtured. We want to be able to create an environment
where they grow and they are encouraged to be part of a community, and that's why we
look for a residential home in an area that they deserve to be part of. The home will
benefit from being managed by a residential manager who has got 15 years of experience.
In the eight years that I've worked with her, I've seen the difference she makes for these
children that we have to look after. Finally, I just wanted to say and to try and give people
assurance that the children who need this home are children who need to be protected
and they need to be cared for, not because of something they've done, but because of
their family circumstances, and they deserve to have the best that we can give them as
a local council. I hope that when you think about this application, you're able to support
those children and approve this application. Thank you.
Thank you. I'll ask a question, but I wonder if you could just confirm the needs and the
supervision that these children will get. We've heard and read from a large number of
objectors living around about who are worried about this facility in the midst of the effect
it will have on them and on their families. Will children possibly have social behaviour,
other things? I'm sure it will be managed properly, but could you explain how that will
be managed, and also how you will be able to liaise and communicate with neighbours
to get them onside and to understand what's going on?
Absolutely. We've spent a lot of time looking at the objections, taking them very seriously.
We want our children to feel welcomed within the community where they reside. We have a
very good track record of actually working very well with the neighbours. Our other children's
homes are also in residential areas. They're either semi-detached house or detached house
in a residential area. We worked really hard to make sure that the neighbours and the people
around the children's home understand what we're trying to achieve for the children.
The focus age of the children is going to be 11 to 14. They will be in un-care because
they can't live with their parents for any number of reasons. This is not a home for
youth offending services. It's not a home for youth detention. This is our children
that need to be with people who can make sure that they're okay, that they're safe, that
they go to school, that they do well at school. We have very experienced residential social
workers who will be working with them, who will live with them to make sure that they
have the opportunity to have their environment normalised. And what we have alongside them
is an expert professional team who they will have access to. So we have our therapists,
we have our social workers, we have the intervention centre, which is a mile away where they will
go and they can have contact with their family members in a safe environment. Because one
of the things that people were worried about were that families and lots of people would
be coming to the home. Actually, we do the opposite at children's homes. We make that
a secure and sacrosanct place for them so that they feel safe and that they can live
in as normal an environment as possible. So they will live with their residential social
workers, but when they go and see the other professional network, it will be off-site,
it will be at other venues, which we do for all our children across our children's homes.
Thank you. Any further questions? Councillor Roberts.
I just want to clarify. As far as you're aware, have the other residential homes in Barnet
of a similar nature, have they caused problems for local communities?
Not at all. Not at all. Not at all.
So we have two children's homes, and they're both six-bed children's homes, and then we
have another children's home that is a two-bed children's home. We will have some situations
where there might be a situation where a child might have a medical condition and then an
ambulance might need to be called. We've had that in one of our children's homes. We've
had a young person who was quite distressed because of contact with the family and acted
out within the children's home, but not in terms of damage to neighbours' properties.
Thank you. In your experience at the other homes that Barnet, sorry, the council operate,
have there been instances of children climbing out of first-floor windows and escaping?
Thank you. The staff that work with them are very highly trained. We also match children
to the places where they live, and the reason why we want to work with a younger group with
this children's home is that we don't want to send our young children who can't live
at home, we don't want to send them far, you know, 20, 30 miles away from Barnet. We want
to keep them within their community. We also know that our schools are incredibly good
and are very nurturing to our children, so we want to try and keep them at their local
schools, because that's often very much a safe space for children who are going through
trauma. Thank you. Lastly, just one more question. We heard in the objectives that you haven't
given any evidence of having looked elsewhere, as though you've just decided on this place
without considering other areas, so I wondered if you could just describe the process that
went through before we settled on this particular place. Absolutely. So once we received the
agreement for capital investment from the council, we went through a series of viewing
properties and we've actually, over the period of time, we viewed up to 10 different properties.
We had to be conscious, first of all, of the public purse, because that's my responsibility
to make sure that we use the capital investment appropriately and with respect and responsibility,
so we had a budget. We had to make sure that we bought something that didn't require a
great deal of additional work done to it, so that when we purchase a property, we could
actually start using the property quite quickly after purchasing the property. We also wanted
to have a look at the area and one of the things that we felt why we wanted to purchase
this property is that it's the end of the road, the physical place that it is in terms
of the corner property. It provides a lot of privacy for the children in the back garden,
as well as the bedrooms, because they are lived after children. It also has a lot of
good connections to the other children's homes that will be supporting these children and
will be supporting the staff. It wasn't just a, Well, here's a house. This is our first
choice. Let's go.
There was actually quite a lot of consideration and a number of visits
to the property by different people before we actually came to the decision to put an
offer in.
Any further comments or questions? Otherwise, we will go to the vote. Officers are recommending
this for approval. All those in favour of approval? That's all. This application is
approved. Thank you very much. And we can ask Councillor Conway's coming back and we're
going to move on to Antion House for a bundle present.
Thank you, Chair. So this application relates to Antion House for a bundle present, and
the proposal is for a change of use of the existing single family dwelling house to a
residential children's care home for free children. This is the site location plan.
Just before I carry on with the presentation, I would like to just clarify, on page one
of the committee report, the relevant site to history relates to Carla House. So there
was an application that was submitted this year for Antion House, but there's been some
misunderstanding with regards to the address details. So I just want to clarify that there
has been no applications for a children's home at Carla House, and this was meant to
be for Antion House. So I'd like that to be noted. And that was a section 192 application,
which is a certificate application, which the applicant sought a deemed consent to say
that it would be lawful from C3A to C3B. However, we regarded it as being unlawful because on
the certificate application, it requires that a residential carer would need to reside at
the premises 24 hours, and that should be their primary living space. So if that can
be noted, please. Thank you. Can I just confirm the previous one that was unlawful, that was
for exactly the same premises? It was exactly the same thing, yes. Nothing has happened
with next door at Carla House? No, there's no applications at Carla House, and that is
still in single family dwelling house. Thank you. Okay, so the existing property is a two
storey, semi-detached, four bedroom house. And as I said, the care home would be for
three children between the ages of 10 and 17 years of age. So this is the site location,
and that's the aerial image. So originally, this was a detached property, and over a period
of time, it's been subdivided into a pair of semi-detached properties. So the one on
the right-hand side is Carla House, and to the left is the subject property, Antion House.
Again, site photographs. Members have been out on site visit. So this is the rear elevation
and this is the garden. This is the existing and the proposed ground floor plan. So the
layout is that there is a reception, one kitchen, dining at ground floor level. And then you
have one bedroom and a staff room at first floor level. And then there is two bedrooms
within the loft space. So a detailed statement has been provided by the applicant displaying
the need for a children's care home, as well as a detailed schedule of staff and general
activities. It's proposed that 10 members of staff will be employed with a maximum of
three members of staff at any one time at the premises, so the children will be manned
24 hours a day. And between two free shifts, changes per day will happen. So most of staff
would travel by public transport, with the bulk of the children's activities executed
internally by staff. We have consulted environmental health, highways officers, NHS and children's
services, and there have been no objections to the proposed use. Considering its setting
as well as information provided by the applicant, the need for a children's care home, albeit
at the loss of a residential dwelling, has been identified. The applicant has also confirmed
the children's home will house children from Barnet social services. However, their services
will also be offered to neighbouring boroughs. The children's care home on balance is considered
acceptable, in principle and character. With regards to impacts on neighbouring amenity,
given the total number of children and staff at any one time, the occupancy level of care
home would be the same as that of a residential dwelling house living as one family household,
therefore would not result in any over intensification of use of the site. The children's care home
would benefit children requiring care. The recommendation is to approve the application.
Thank you chair. We have Stulman Rahman is reading an objection
from Jimmy Hakim I think. Mr Rahman is here. And is there somebody else who wishes to speak
on this? Sorry. I had down here there may be another person, but have we got your name?
You're not an objector, you're not registered as a speaker. No, but you haven't put in your
objections and said that you're willing to speak, so you're not registered as a speaker,
I'm afraid. Jimmy Hakim is registered as an objector and Stulman Rahman is reading his
objections. Okay. Sorry, is that alright? Is there a difficulty with language?
No. I have here Mr Rahman is going to speak. As with the previous one, we won't be able
to ask your questions because you're speaking on behalf of the objector, Jimmy Hakim, but
if you can read his statement, we'll hear that. You'll have three minutes to read the
statement and you'll be given a warning when you have a minute left. Thank you. Yes.
Hello. Good evening. Thank you very much for giving me a chance to speak. My name is Mr
Rahman. I've lived on this random person for 34 years. Jimmy's been my neighbor for 20
years. Mina's been my neighbor for about five, six years now, five years now, you know. We
all know each other. It's a nice residential road. The whole road, you know, is single
dwelling, single family homes. Yes, I forgot. No, Jimmy Hakim. No, no, I'm speaking on behalf
of Jimmy Hakim. We've known each other for 20 years. So, you know, very nice road and
the applicant's already been using this place as a children's, quote, children's home for
a while now. Right. And it's been an absolute nightmare. You know, a young man has come
out of the house, spat on my daughter's car, and she sat there crying, called my son to
help her. Right. A young man has come, chased my son into our house, up to the driveway.
You know, the number of time police have come. Right. It's unbelievable. A nice, quiet road.
It's been a nightmare. There's an alleyway in front of my house. Right. I can see young
people from the house go into the alleyway, buy drugs, go back to the house. One time,
a young lady bought some stuff from a dealer into the alleyway that's in front of my house,
came and hid behind, because they can't take it into the house, she hid behind my car in
my driveway. And I, you know, have it on CCTV, put foil and put a lighter under it. And I
asked my son, what's she doing? And my son said, she's doing crack cocaine on our driveway.
You know, it's been hell. You know, I don't know what they make out to be. One evening,
someone came out of the house and said, we've lost someone. Have you seen this person of
such and such a description? She was running up and down the road. You know, people wondering,
honestly, the sort of impression they give, you know, you have one minute remaining. Yes.
Yes. The police have been there daily. It's a nightmare. People don't have any idea what
this means. It's not 10 year old children, people bigger than me, wandering down the
street, you know, at night. They have no control of the situation. You know, I'm living with
it. My daughters live with it. My son's been threatened into our house. We're living with
it. You know, I don't know what your theories are, but we're living with the reality of
it. We didn't pay millions of pounds to live in this street. When we bring this type of
people to opposite us, we didn't do that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We're not able to speak.
You wouldn't live like that. Have you anything more to say on behalf of Mr. Hacking? Yeah.
He said also it's completely out of character with the road. Okay. Completely. That's time.
Thank you. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. And then we have the applicant, Mr. Asefa.
Asefa. No, no, because he was speaking on behalf of the objector, so you can't answer
the questions. Mr. Asefa, if you'd like to go. If you can introduce yourself, then you
have three minutes to speak. I'll be giving a warning when you have a minute left. Sure.
Good evening, everybody. Thank you for having me here. My name is Asefa. I'm the director
of the Children's Home. So I have 10 years of experience in running Children's Homes.
We're an Ofsted regulated good provider. We have probably about five Children's Homes
within London and about 30 other semi-independent placements in and around London as far down
south up north to Harrow. In regards to the complaints from the gentleman behind the neighbour,
we have had no women, no female children in the home. So I'm not sure where they could
have come from. So our placements that we've had in the past have been only males. Another
incident he mentioned was there were big people adults. We're Ofsted regulated, so we're only
allowed to have children within the certain ages that we're permitted to, which is, in
our case, 10 to 15-year-olds. So I'm not sure of these incidences. I believe he said that
his son or somebody was attacked, perhaps, or I believe he said somebody was attacked.
I've had no police records or incidences or anything like this have come to us. Furthermore,
our neighbour is directly right next door at Carter House. There are young residents
there in the family, two or three sons, and we've had no incidents of them either. That's
all I have to say. I'm open for any questions.
Questions, Councillor Callick.
Yeah. Can I just have some clarification? Have you been using this property as a children's
home prior to this application?
Yes, so prior to this application, we have had residents there.
And for how long?
Probably about a year. Well, I couldn't give you the specific date. I think probably it's
going to be December 23, January 24.
Thank you.
Councillor Roberts.
Thank you. I think you're touching. You said that you've not had any specific complaints
from the police about misbehaviour disruption at this care home.
So what I said was in regards to the attack on the gentleman's son, my understanding was
he said his son was attacked or his son was approached, which is what he said, I believe.
We've had no complaints in regards to that. We haven't heard anything in regards to that.
When we first moved on to the street, we introduced ourselves. I actually did it myself. I introduced
myself to my neighbours and myself and my colleague. This is the first two days of moving
in. In regards to the police, police have been called to the placements in the past
by ourselves. I'm not sure if police have been called by neighbours, but police have
been called by ourselves. And we have had those police cab numbers. And this is when
we've had to ask the police to move young people. And so if any young person has been
an issue or concern to the home, we end our placements and ask the police to take them
to, back to social services. And that has happened in the past when the child has been
a nuisance, no nuisance, excuse me, but has caused problems in the home and we have had
to, you know, end our contracts.
How often has that been the case?
That's -- I've ended a contract once.
Just once?
Sorry, twice, twice, two different contracts within that home, yes.
So the objector was implying, or seemed to be implying, that this was taking place on
a regular basis?
So this here was prior six months or seven months. So this is, well, this was up to probably
March, February, March. And what happened was we had to do a risk assessment and we
decided which type of residence we would like to work with and which type of residence we
don't want to work with. So I'm sure the neighbours also confirmed there hasn't been any issues
since probably February, March of this year upon our new risk assessment.
Mr Barnes.
Can I just ask what sort of needs the -- I mean, it may have changed after your reassessment,
but what sort of needs these children do have who you are housing in this property?
So moving forward now after our risk assessment, to be clear?
So the young people now coming after our risk assessment are typically between 10 and 13
years of age. So once again, they're not coming from units, no more secure units, which is
where some of them were coming from prior. Now it's young people who are not able to
live with their parents, have come from domestic violence, domestic violence homes, and now
taking them in to protect them in their not-home homes. That's upon our risk assessment.
Okay, Councillor Conway. I'd like to ask you a bit more. So you've been running for about
a year, you said. In January, the ruling came that you were running unlawfully, that you
were operating the children's home unlawfully, but you're still doing it. You haven't ceased
between then.
So the placement's been running while the application's been going and we're just waiting
for information, because we were told that we should have, to be honest with you, I believe
this is the application being put on hold by the planner, and we were told that we should
have got a notification by March gone. So we've just been waiting for the update, and
only just recently, while it's been told that it's been pushed to committee now.
The application for planning was put on hold?
Yes, because the initial application was a law for development application, because all
our replacements have been law for development. So we had started our law for development
application. We were then told that we need to now go for a full planning application,
which we're initially unaware of, which we started, and from then we've still been a
placement.
And are you registered with Ofsted?
Yes, we are registered with Ofsted.
Is there a view about, I mean, you're probably operating not quite long enough maybe to have
an inspection yet, but you must have had communication with them through your registration, so how
is that?
So our placements up to now, which are the placements we've now stopped at DOLS, they're
DOLS applications, yes, so under DOLS applications we were able to run the service without the
application date of the registration.
I'm quite sure I understand that. My other one is about how you're running it, looking
at what you submitted about the activities, the staffing and the activities that are provided.
The children who are there seem to be not going to school, but having one hour a day
or two hours a day of educational activity with care staff. So should they not be going
to school? What is the situation with the children that you're looking after there?
So placements, referrals, excuse me, referrals could come at any time within the year. Academic
school would perhaps allow you to come in either September or perhaps in January, so
if it's a case where it's in July and, let's say for example, if you're taking a referral
in July, you can't actually place them until September, so what we do is we homeschool
them until the next entry for schools.
One of the activities that showed them just having educational activity for two hours
a day, no schooling, I didn't mention them going to school at all, but they will be going
to school, will they? From now, they've been registered with schools and they're going
to school?
So for example, I'll give you a case. So there'll be, for example, a case would be where a young
person may have come during a period where there was no more entries to school. We would
then homeschool them until we can get them back into school. What we'll do is call in
somebody to come and call in a tuition to come into the placement and give them tuition
within the homes, or activities within the community.
Yes, I'm not really clear about all of this. What age are the three children, three boys
that are there at the moment?
Ten to fifteen.
Not clear, I'm not sure, but I have enough questions at the moment. Any other questions,
Councillor?
Would you like me to make anything clear at all?
So are these children under 24-hour supervision?
Correct, yes.
Overnight supervision?
Correct, two members of staff.
Okay, all right, thank you.
Okay, thank you very much.
I'm sorry, you're not able to say any more, thank you. If I can ask the officers if you
can clarify about the operation of this care home, how that reflects on application for
planning permission?
Well, the operation of the care home is under 24-hour supervision, so there will be, as
the gentleman said, two members of staff on the premises throughout day and night. So
the children that are in care will be supervised throughout the day and night, basically.
I'm not clear that this home is run properly or effectively from what we've heard, but
is that something we can take into account in an application for planning or not?
Well, as far as I'm concerned, the application was for a proposed use, but it appears that
the use began when the certificate of application came in, because this application was submitted
in January, and the certificate was made unlawful in January, so it appears that they've obviously
began use back then. But obviously we wouldn't hear of problems, and we have consulted environmental
health, and normally if there are any issues and complaints from the neighbours, normally
we would consult environmental health with regards to unsocial behaviour, but I'm not
aware of any unsocial behaviour taking place at the premises.
I'm sorry, I can't hear any more from you.
Just very briefly, also the Speaker said it was registered with Ofsted, and so some of
the issues you're talking about are potentially Ofsted, the issues that would be reported
as regards to management of the home going forward, so your decision tonight relates
to any planning issues.
So I think you've just answered that, but I've just googled the Ofsted report on this
company, and it requires improvement to be good. Are we saying that we can't take that
into account when getting rid of a family, single dwelling family home on a road which
is generally family to be taken by a company which, as Ofsted has said, requires improvement
to be good? Where does it fall into planning, where does it fall into safeguarding?
In my opinion that doesn't, for example, if it was a school and they needed improving
at the loss, you wouldn't be refusing the application relating to the school, and it's
the same. So I'm not saying it's not an issue, or a potential issue, sorry, but it's, as
far as I'm concerned, that's for another agency to deal with.
This is where my difficulty comes, because from what we've heard from the Ofsted report
and from the owner and operator of this home, it does appear to be not running very well
as a home. And I'm concerned that we give planning permission for operation to a home
that isn't running effectively.
This is a planning application.
It's a planning application, yes. I have concern for the children who live there.
And if Brigitte was still here, Director of Children's Services, I think she'll probably
say that Barnet would not be placing children in a facility that's only rated as requires improvement.
So this is a planning application we're dealing with, and that's it?
As I say, we need to decide whether this location is a suitable location for this sort of establishment,
and we need to disregard any problems that there may or may not be with the organisation.
Sorry, as Councillor Barnes just said, its decision is whether this is a suitable location for us.
Now, taking into account, can we take into account the occurrences that happened to decide
whether this is a suitable location?
As I said, it is time to off state, just like it was the education, and I do not think you can.
And also, you don't have that evidence in front of you. You've heard from it.
And I'm not disputing what was said, but a lot of what was said does not necessarily, or maybe all,
relate to the house. That's not a reason for refusal. Those are other issues.
Anti-social behaviour can be an issue for the police or other organisations,
but it is not necessarily, and I don't think in this case, a planning issue.
I think we need to look at the mixed character of the area, and decide whether the change of use
would be within keeping with the mixed character. So there are flats and HMOs already existing.
It's within very close proximity to public transport, local facilities, the underground station.
So the officers consider that this will be in characteristics, although there are residential,
but the actual premises will also be used as if it's one single family house,
because there wouldn't be any more than six people living together at any one time.
So there is no intensification of use of the premises.
Thank you. So there's nothing else. We will go to a vote. The officers are recommending approval.
All those in favour of approval. Two. Those against. One. Two not voting.
So this application is approved.
This application has been approved on planning terms. Thank you.
We have finished with this item. If you heard what was being said, we've carefully considered planning consideration.
Thank you.
Thank you. We're going to we're now we're going to move on now.
We're moving. Thank you. We have the decision has been made.
It's now nine o'clock and we're going to move on.
I hope you heard from the discussion that you're not.
It's five, eight minutes past night and take a very brief comfort break for three minutes.
Good evening, all. Hello. We're having comfort. I'm not my call.
Good evening, all. So this application is that Edgwarebury Road proposing variations of condition four related to the levels of a grant permission for an 18 hole golf course.
So the amendments are due to, you know, safety reasons.
They require slight alterations to hold six, eight, nine and 18.
So the application outline boundary is this area here.
Used to be a mix of our farm land and now it's, you know, the implement the ground permission has been implemented in so far as that ground works and excavation works have taken place.
So the scheme is extended.
So this is a site photograph facing south, which is in the top portion of the site here where that pond is.
You can see that there. This is facing west towards the A41. Just for context, sorry, the site is bounded by the M1 to the north.
Edgwareway to the west. Facing east.
So on the drawings here on the left, this is part of the approved application on the right is the current proposal.
So you can see some slight cosmetic changes, namely the ponds, but there are some some level changes that take place across the cross section of the site.
I mean, the variations are minor to the degree you can barely distinguish between proposed levels and approved levels.
So the red line at the top of the screen there, that is the proposed and in and amongst it, you can, the approved one is there as well.
Variations are minor, but sufficient enough to require planning permission.
So this cross section here follows this line across the site.
So no changes have taken place to the approved application, so the scheme of the principal of the golf course is acceptable.
No changes there. No impacts and neighboring amenities.
Additional information was required in terms of ecological information, but that's been provided and that would be conditioned to ensure compliance.
No objections raised by internal or external consultees.
So we are recommending approval subject to a deed of variation, which is to basically transfer the legal, the heads of terms, the legal agreement into this current application.
So that legal agreement included the travel plan of which the monitoring contribution has already been paid in full, ecological information, which I just mentioned earlier.
Alongside that, what is it? It's to ensure, so there was an equestrian business on site.
And as part of that, they needed to secure a suitable location and an associated lease.
So they fulfilled that and have agreed to that to 2029.
So as such, we are recommending approval subject to a legal agreement.
Does anyone have any questions?
Thank you. We have one speaker on this, Robert Husband. Mr Husband is here.
The applicant is not here, or the agent. So have members any questions or comments to make on this?
Otherwise, we will go straight to the vote.
The officer's recommendation is for approval. All those in favour of approval.
That's all. This application is approved.
Thank you very much.
The next item is Roman House.
Thank you, Chair.
The application is for Roman House, which is a four storey building at 296 Golders Green Road.
It's currently in use partly as offices, but also as a health medical facility run by HCA Healthcare in conjunction with the Wellington Hospital, whose main base is in St John's Wood.
The proposal is a part four, part five storey side and rear extension to continue the medical use as an additional storey on top of the existing building, together with associated works.
So this is the location plan.
So this is the north circular up here. So it's one of the first buildings on the left as you come away from the north circular. This is the building here.
Backs onto these blocks of flats at James close to the rear here and riverside is a block of flats on this side. Opposite, there's a redevelopment to provide a new synagogue. And then this is 125 Princes Parade, which has also got planning permission for redevelopment up to four or five storeys.
The site here is the site of 290294 Golders Green Road, which has permission for development of 111 flats. As far as I'm aware, work has not yet started on that scheme.
So as you can see, the context are, as we saw on site yesterday, four storey buildings are the norm in the area.
So here we go. This is riverside drive here. Block of flats, that's the north circular. And this is the front view of the existing house. And these are the blocks at James Court to the rear.
Along here, you'll see this treed verge at the rear of the site. That's the decoy brook. And in fact, that part of the site lies within flood zone three.
These are some site photographs here. So this is the entrance of the site. This is the building car park. And this is the relationship to riverside drive flats.
And that's a view from inside the site, looking to the rear.
Photograph at the front showing existing disabled parking spaces and a view from standing in the rear, looking back up towards Golders Green Road.
As you can see, the site slopes from south to north. That's the current entrance.
And that's the rear context showing, looking back up towards Golders Green Road. This is the building. And then this is riverside drive.
You can see a number of windows and balconies which serve those blocks of flats.
This is the existing elevation. This is just an example of or image of the approved development next door, which I say hasn't yet commenced.
But you can see the relative scales of the adjoining sites.
That's the side elevation facing riverside drive. And the rear elevation with the brook at the back.
The existing lower ground floor, which has got accommodation towards the rear here and the parking area.
This shows you decoy brook and that existing treed verge, which provides a buffer zone to the brook and the existing ground floor.
First and second, third and fourth floors and the roof plan.
So the proposed building. So this is the additional floor which would be put on top of the existing building.
Then this is the four storey extension to the side, which also wraps around to the rear.
But again, you can see its steps would step up from the property on the left hand side at riverside, but would still be lower than the approved development next door.
So this would be the side elevation facing riverside drive.
It's easier to see from the floor plan, but the actual side extension here is set back in the front of the building.
So it has a more subservient appearance in the front. These windows here would all be obscure glazed.
There's no possibility of overlooking of the riverside drive flats and balconies.
This is the rear renovation that you'd see from James Close,
although there is a quite significant tree screen along the back boundary here. This is the proposed lower ground.
So this is the existing building here, and this is the proposed lower ground which has sort of service accommodation.
It's also going to have below, if I go up to ground floor, the car parking area, which is going to be on a raised deck at the back to try and minimize digging and foundations within the buffer zone alongside the brook.
But the ground floor obviously for the main building here, the new accommodation and then the parking area and the servicing arrangements to serve the new building.
So in terms of appearance and design, this is the original, quite an unusual shaped building.
This is mirrored in the new building to try and articulate this elevation, so it's not just a blank elevation, sort of similar recessed areas and cut-ins have been accommodated as on the existing building.
So this is the proposed first and second floor.
Similarly, this is the third floor and a void area is retained out here between the two buildings.
And this is the fourth floor.
And then as we go up to the top level, there's that new fifth floor.
Sorry, that's the fifth floor, which is on the existing building only. The new extension to the side and rear is up to four floors.
So this is a CGI. So the red brick is the existing building.
This is the new building, which would be in a buff brick, so a bit of a contrast.
As I said, it's set back from the front elevation, so it appears more subordinate to the main building, rather than bringing it up in line with the front elevation.
And this area here is that additional story to be built on top of the existing building.
And the two roof elements will be bronze, zinc clad and that will tie the two buildings together at roof level.
And that's another CGI, as you see from Golders Green Road on the opposite side of the road.
Again, showing the unbuilt development next door to this side and the existing riverside flats to this side.
And that's a view of the side extension.
So the key considerations are that the building is lawfully in use for medical and health care use.
It's essentially a diagnostic and a centre providing outpatient facilities, physiotherapy, cardiology, various services.
It's obviously run privately, but takes a lot of patients from the Wellington Hospital in St. John's Wood.
This is effective, this kind of outpatient department, so there's no A&E, there's no acute services here, no ambulances or anything like that going in and out.
It's just for outpatient appointments.
There's no loss in commercial floor space, obviously, and there's no proposed in principle objection to increasing the floor space for this much needed facility.
One of the other opportunities it creates is to relocate a very local NHS GP surgery from Finchley Road who have outgrown their building and need to relocate.
They can be accommodated in this building.
And it would also accommodate the increased demand for the services provided by the centre as set out by the Wellington Hospital in letters of support for the application.
The side extension is set back, set down, appears subordinate, although obviously it's a large extension, it does appear subordinate in scale to the existing building when seen from the road frontage.
There are no extensions on the side of the building adjacent to Golders Green building next door at 290.
The side extension is set away by a minimum of 15.7 metres at ground floor extending up to 17 on the upper floors from Riverside Drive, which officers consider provides adequate separation between those buildings so as to maintain outlook for Riverside Drive residents.
And at the rear there's a buffer of nearly 18 metres between the proposal and nearest building at James Close.
A sunlight and daylight report was submitted, which shows negligible or very insignificant impacts to a very small number of windows, particularly at Riverside Drive, but not considered to have caused significant detriment to the light experienced by those residents.
If I can just draw members attention to the addendum, which contains the original recommendation one, which requires a legal agreement for travel plan contributions, review of CPZ contributions, which have been recommended by the highways officers and also a carbon offset contribution.
Thank you.
Thank you. We have one speaker on this, Daniel Austin.
If you'd like to turn your microphone on.
There's a picture of the face.
If you can introduce yourself, you have three minutes to speak, you'll be given a warning when you have one minute left.
Yes, I'm Daniel Austin, I've lived at five James Close for the last 32 years. So I've got quite a good memory of the developers. This is not a new issue. The developers have been trying their utmost to develop the land as much as possible and put up the biggest possible building they can get away with.
From my flat at the rear of the building, the proposed site, it's five James Close, I will lose probably about two hours of sunshine into my flat during the summer.
During the winter, the sun doesn't get high enough. Together with the development proposal of 292 Golders Green Road, there will be what would look like a complete overdevelopment and a brick wall around the semicircular site of James Close.
I'm also worried that the development intrudes on the brook, which is subject to flooding, decoy brook, and there is a legal covenant whereby the developers are not allowed to develop within two to three metres of the top of the bank, not the water, the top of the bank off the brook,
because our block of flats sold the land to the current developers some decades ago.
And if you look back through the history of Roman House developments, you'll know that we've basically been opposing their developments and proposals for the last 25 years, certainly since, well, in my memory.
I'm also old enough to remember, I've lived long enough to remember the original residents said that they told me some time ago that the top floor of Roman House and the unusual shape of Roman House, which was alluded to by the planning officer,
is due to the fact that when they were given permission to put up Roman House, the developer or the owner simply ignored the three-storey proposal. It was originally meant to be three storeys, Roman House.
They simply ignored all the council prohibitions and went and stuck another fourth storey on top of the building.
I don't object completely to the development, actually. I've used a Wellington house, I've actually used the services in there. I'm just worried about the fact that it encroaches on the brook.
That's time, thank you.
Any questions, Councillor Conway?
The report mentions that a daylight, daylight, overshadowing report has been undertaken and that is negligible. Any loss is negligible.
Well, nobody's contacted me and there's been nobody on my balcony or on my neighbour's balconies, as far as I'm concerned.
The report only mentions Riverside Drive. It doesn't mention the developer, the developing officers. I don't think it has visited James Close and she hasn't mentioned loss of light or James Close.
You've mentioned at the moment you only get two hours of sunlight during the winter.
I don't get any sunlight in winter because the sun's too low.
Right. So, is this going to make things worse, you're saying?
Well, in summer, and I keep a lot of flowers on my balcony, truth able as it may be, but it is nice to have the sun at least for six months of the year, March to September shining into my room.
Can you show us exactly where you are?
I've got two blocks there, James.
Have you got a pointless stick? Yeah, not that block, the next block. That's it. And I'm facing south west towards Roman House and I've seen all the goings on.
Which floor are you on?
I'm on the first floor at the rear. Not the ground, but the first floor.
Facing that way?
Facing south west. I look right at Roman House.
There's a brook and a lot of trees and greenery between, but you still think that's going to impact on you?
Yeah, and on the gardens of James Close. I've no real objection to the development other than the fact that it just needs to be shifted back a bit.
OK, thank you. Thank you very much.
Then we have the agent, Lewis Westhoff.
Thank you, Mr Westhoff. And again, if you can introduce yourself, you have three minutes to speak and we'll give you a warning when you have one minute left.
My name is Lewis Westhoff. I'm the planning agent and I work at a company called Icini Projects.
Firstly, thank you all for your time. I'm absolutely delighted to speak this evening in support of this planning application for Roman House.
It's been a privilege to work on this project with the applicant, the wider design team and most importantly with officers throughout the council through a very detailed pre-application process and assessment process.
And this is Col Med and us being here this evening to discuss a project that we're all really enthusiastic about.
And one that, if it's granted planning commission, will deliver a significant number of planning benefits, particularly to the health and well-being of the local community.
The applicant of this project is Mr David Rosenberg. He's a local resident and business owner and has really made it his personal mission to see Roman House become a medical facility and centre of excellence.
He's been working very closely with the principal tenant HCA Healthcare or the Wellington Hospital, as officers mentioned, to expand and operate their diagnostic centre on site since 2006.
It's now a real success story and it's done some great things for the local community throughout COVID and again, and it's great that they wish to stay on site in the future.
And his passion and drive is really why we're here this evening. The proposal that we've prepared will really cater for the long-term needs of the Wellington Hospital on site.
It'll provide some fit-for-purpose modern space, but more importantly, as officers mentioned too, it'll enable Dr Adler to relocate on site as well and provide them with some real purpose-built facilities as well.
And ideally, that's going to be closer to his existing catchment of patients.
So the scheme we've designed will cater for both public and private services and we see this as a scheme that's going to benefit all walks of the community.
But it's not only these great benefits that the scheme will deliver. We've also sought to go above and beyond in many other ways in terms of planning policy.
You have one minute remaining.
Thank you. We're delivering an architectural approach that is context-driven with high-quality materials and the use of appropriate setbacks and design measures to protect the community of our neighbors.
We have done a detailed daylight/sunlight report that has considered James close both with this scheme and the extant scheme next door.
We're retaining all trees on site and complementing this with 65 new trees, shrubs and other planting to improve biodiversity and ecology outcomes on site.
We're delivering an urban greening factor of 0.43 and a biodiversity net gain in excess of 12%.
We've also thought about the amenity of our closer neighbors on Riverside Drive.
We've looked at providing some obscure glazing on those windows, too, to ensure that an appropriate relationship is there.
And parking's obviously been another consideration, too, and we've delivered a parking quantum on site that's specifically based on the proposed operation of the facility.
And we're also providing dedicated pick-up and drop-off facilities at the front of the site.
That's time. Thank you.
Thank you. I'm happy to answer any other questions you have.
OK, thank you.
One of the concerns from this objection and from others who have written in is about the brook being so close to the brook.
So what if you could comment on the effects of that and the motivation of any flooding risk?
Yeah, so we've worked very closely with some engineers from Davies McGuire, and they've been engaging very closely with the local lead flood authority on that.
We specifically engage with them during the pre-application process because that rear 20% of the site is flood zone 3, which was mentioned before, too.
So we've been very careful about what sort of works would happen at the rear of the site, too.
And one of the things that the LLFA told us to do was to ensure that we have a five-meter buffer zone, which you can see in this image here, which is denoted by that sort of red hatch.
So all of our buildings at that lower ground floor or ground floor, if you're at the rear of the site, is set back from that buffer zone.
And I think one of the other real positives of this scheme, too, is we've designed a really excellent SUD scheme on site, too.
So we've really thought about how we can control surface water runoff and ensure that flood risk on other properties will be improved.
So we've got a series of attenuation tanks, which you can see there with that sort of blue hatched area in the car park there.
We've got blue roofs, green roofs, and additional landscaping, too.
And it will actually deliver 92% betterment than the current situation on site in terms of flood risk and runoff.
So that's something that we're very proud of.
So there is a five-meter buffer zone. We heard there should be three meters, but there is five meters.
That's correct. Yeah.
And we've sort of verified that through some detailed survey information as well.
So we're very confident about that.
And then I note that for Riverside Drive, you have all obscure glazed windows on that side, so it's not going to affect Riverside Drive.
But the rear there, as we've seen from James Close, especially with the new block that's going up at some point next door, whenever they get back to carrying out their planning commission,
it does look as though it's going to be enclosing and affecting James Close a lot.
So why don't you comment a bit more on that?
Yeah, well, I mean, we've thought very closely about James Close and all of our neighbours, really, in designing the scape.
So I think the closest point, which is the sort of the real sort of pointy end of James Close, is about 17.7 meters in terms of separation distances.
And I think it's about 21 meters to the closest balcony.
There is quite a large, I suppose, separation already if you sort of measure it on plan.
But I think members, you've all been on site as well.
It is a very, very dense, inverted green buffer that will be retained as well.
So there is that natural separation that's there.
Daylight, sunlight's been very, very important as well.
As we mentioned, we've really thought carefully about how the scape can, how we can optimise the scape whilst protecting the amenity.
So, as I said, we did a detailed report for James Close in particular, considering just this scheme in isolation, but also with the scheme next door at 290 to 294.
And it achieved 100% BRE compliance.
So we think that the scheme has a very appropriate relationship with James Close to the rear.
And the amenity of those residents and the gentleman that spoke earlier will be retained.
Where are the new trees you're going to be planting? Because we're taking some down along that bank, presumably.
Yeah, so a combination really. I think perhaps if, so there's a couple of things if you allow me to indulge you to in terms of what we did in some of the earlier iterations.
So the car parking deck that sort of runs along the western boundary, we previously proposed to continue that at grade.
But if we wanted to provide new surface in there, it would have unfortunately meant those trees along the boundary would have to be removed.
Because those roots would be impacted.
So we came up with an engineering solution to kind of keep that ramp going and all of those trees can be retained.
So by doing that, there's been the ability to plant some additional trees along that boundary.
Along the rear of the site as well, there's some existing kind of shrubs that would be removed and replaced and retained.
There'd be some additional planting along the eastern boundary.
And I think maybe if we're able to get a CGI up to lots of new landscaping along the frontage of the site too.
So the current front of the site is pretty poor. It has sort of bins there and quite an ugly gate.
So we've actually designed a nice sort of hard and soft landscape frontage there to the site too.
So yeah, we've sort of maximised as much as we can and on the roofs as well, where we've been able to, we've provided green roofs and blue roofs as well.
And also managed to squeeze some PV panels on there too.
A couple of us were wondering about, what's a blue roof? We know what a green roof is, so what's a blue roof?
So it's a very good question. I'm not an engineer, but the way it was explained to me was you've effectively got a green roof, which probably you're all aware of too.
And underneath that was almost kind of like an eggshell type, an egg carton type situation.
So that sits on the roof and then the green roof sits on top.
So when the water slowly filters through the green roof, it then sits in kind of the carton of eggs.
With the eggs out, the water would sit there and that would kind of slow the release of water leaving the site.
So it's a very interesting kind of model too.
And I've been told it really helps with the thermal performance of buildings too, because axe is a bit of an additional kind of insulation layer too.
Wondering if it was a lake or a swimming pool on the roof or something.
A bit more engineering in it.
Yes, final question. Is there something about GP surgery? Is this going to be an IHS GP surgery?
And has an agreement been, you don't have to say which surgery it is, but has that been separate?
Yes, so I'm happy to sort of mention it too. So Dr. Adler is about half a mile away on Finchley Road. He's in a converted semi-detached house with no disabled access, no pick-up drop-off facilities or anything like that whatsoever.
So as part of this scheme, as I mentioned, the applicants got a good relationship locally too and we're providing space within the scheme for them to relocate here.
So they'll now have the proper modern facilities, disabled access, proper pick-up and drop-off for those who need to get here.
It would also remain within walking distance for the majority of patients.
And there was a bit of a straw poll that was done by Dr. Adler too.
And I've been told that the majority of the patients would actually live closer to Roman House and the current Finchley Road site.
It's going to have community benefits very much as well. Thank you very much.
Yes. Any further questions? Sorry, I've been asking a lot. No, thank you very much.
Any further comments, questions? The officers? No, if we go to the vote on that one, then the officer's recommendation is for approval.
All those in favour of approval? That's all. That application is approved.
I'll try and do at least one more before we say we're going to move on.
So the next one is 1 Daphne closed.
Thank you, Chair. This item relates to number 1 Daphne closed. It's part of the Dolis Valley redevelopment site, which is complete.
The proposal is for, should I come in? The proposal is for part single but two storey rear extension.
The members have also been out on the site visit. This is the site location plan.
And this is the aerial photograph of when the development was actually under construction.
Unfortunately, Google Images don't give us the complete development as it's fairly new.
This is the proposed block plan, and that's where the extension is going.
So this is the house, that's the site. This is Brent Place on the right hand side and Aphrodite Court apartments to the left.
Site photographs. This is facing onto Brent Place.
This one again faces onto Brent Place. Brent Place is sited at a higher level and the application site is at a lower level.
This is the rear elevation of the property and this is the front elevation of the property.
So there's more site photographs. So we have Aphrodite Court apartments, which is a fair distance away from the boundary of the application site.
And again, this is facing to the rear part of Aphrodite Court apartments.
And same with this. So these are the existing and proposed ground floor plans.
So that's the existing and the proposal is to extend three point eight metres deep and across fifteen point nine metres wide,
which is across the whole width of the property with a flat roof design approximately three point two metres high.
This is the first floor planned. This is the existing and the first floor again would be three point eight metres deep and it's five point three metres wide.
Existing and proposed rear elevations. This is where the first floor extension is.
It's five point nine metres to each side and it's approximately six point four metres to the overall pitch.
The officers have consulted with the design team and is the view of the officers that the design of the proposal relates well to the existing dwelling house.
There has been objections where Brent Place has sort of objected with regards to overlooking and loss of privacy.
There is a new window that's been proposed within the first floor elevation facing Brent Place.
However, yes, this is the elevation that faces onto Brent Place. There is an existing window that's facing Brent Place.
And as I said earlier on, the siting of Brent Place is at a higher level and this is a lower level, so there would be no overlooking and the existing window is already there.
There's no overlooking from that. So the actual proposed window would go in the flank elevation of the first floor, first floor extension.
It is noted that there has been a tree that's been felled, which was part of the original development, which was considered to be kept.
However, unfortunately, that's been felled. But there is a condition that's attached to this permission.
If the members are minded to approve the application this evening, that a condition will be attached for replacement planting an appropriate size.
The tree will be planted in the rear garden to replace what's been lost, basically.
So just to run through the PowerPoint slide proposed side elevations.
And this is the additional window that's looking towards Brent Place.
That's the existing. So there will be no additional adverse overlooking impacts to those residential properties cited on Brent Place.
OK, so just to summarise, the overall design works well with the main house, which the main house is of a modern alternative nature.
It's considered that it would add architectural interest to the rear renovation by having a pitch route.
The extension would be suited for distance by 4.3 metres from the boundary of numbers 38 and 38 Brent Place, which are, as I said, on a higher level.
Thus, it would not lead to a loss of light or overshadowing or overlooking and car park courtyard buffer zone measuring at least 10.6 metres would separate between the proposed and Aphrodite court apartments with views towards them through the proposed.
First of all, window achieved at limited oblique angles.
The officers recommend approval subject to conditions. Thank you.
Thank you.
One speaker.
Oh, sorry.
If you can introduce yourself, you have three minutes to speak.
Sure.
Good evening.
Before I mean more to the main topic of this red extension, I would just like to clarify one thing about the tree.
The tree was removed after getting permission from council.
Once we had the word.
So I was talking with the tree, which was removed, which is the main cause of comments which received the objections.
Now, the tree was removed after getting the permission from the council.
Now, many of the complaints, they think that it was removed to make space for this red extension, but that was not the case.
The tree was already faltering and in December last year, one of the branches, no clues, and it was almost fell on the shoulder of the sun was playing in the garden.
That's when the owners decided to get rid of the tree.
Now, coming back to the extensions.
Well, I don't have much to say, as you have said about the elevations and the distance from the proposed extension to the adjacent flats.
You can see that the proposal harmonises nicely with the existing elevations.
The extension by no means hinders anyone's light or view.
Yeah, so that's it.
Nothing more.
If you have any questions.
Thank you.
Any questions?
No. Thank you very much.
Any further questions or comments, the officers?
No. Should we go to the vote then? The officer's recommendations for approval.
All those in favour of approval.
That's all. That application is approved.
We have two items left and it's five to ten.
The constitution says that these meetings should finish at ten.
But I'm authorising that we can go on until a maximum of ten thirty.
So the next item is 811 High Road.
Hi, good evening. So I'm here to present an application for change of use of retail unit into new restaurants and one smaller retail unit at 811 High Road.
So the application site concerns the ground floor commercial unit for three store of a three storey building formerly occupied by Flying Tiger.
The application site is within the town centre, is designated as primary retail frontage.
The application site is also identified as a retail zone in the North Finchley town centre framework.
So here's a site photo showing the front, rear and internal.
So following the committee members' visit on the 2nd of September,
it was observed that the dividing wall has been erected inside the proposed restaurant, which appeared to have subdivided the unit.
The applicant has confirmed that this wall will be removed in the event of approval.
So members are minded that there is a forward proposition on the previous approved scheme to simplify the existing Class E into two Class E units,
in which the principle of development is considered acceptable.
Therefore, the key considerations is that for this application is the impact of the proposed restaurant with the re-aducting in terms of characters, neighbours amenities, highway and waste management.
So this is the layout and the proposal will lead to the subdivision of the existing 160 square metre unit into two smaller units of 47 square metre supermarket and a 55 square metre restaurant.
And this is the front elevation and the short alterations to the short front is deemed acceptable.
And the ducting would be placed on the southern block of the building where the red arrow is.
And it's 1.5 metre taller than the ridge line, but it's quite 25 metre away from the front facade, which is not quite visible.
And therefore the ducting would not look disproportionately in scale, massing and design.
So the impact on neighbours amenities, so it is noted that the ducting would be located near to the residential flats above,
but our environmental health offices have viewed the noise impact assessment and the order management plan and it was deemed acceptable subject to conditions.
And it's also the opening hours of the shops and the restaurant would be controlled and there would not be any seating arrangement for the restaurants.
So therefore we just want to reiterate that we have got a full position on the previous approved schemes
and we noted that there's a lot of concerns related to the introduction of hot food takeaway and that would lead to unhealthy diet.
But this proposal is not for hot food takeaway as it will fall into a sui generis use class.
And if they would like to have hot food takeaway, they have to submit a further plan application for it.
So therefore the application is recommended for approval, subject to conditions. Thank you.
Do you have one speaker? Oh no, it's just the applicant. No, the object is the applicant.
If you can turn the microphone on, there's a face image.
Can you see the face? That's it. Introduce yourself and you have three minutes to speak and you'll be given a warning when you have one minute left.
My name is Arunesh and I'm the owner and director of Bus Periperi Limited. This application was originally filed back in December.
Then it was requested for withdrawal due to the application wouldn't be successful.
Then we reapplied with all the recommendation from the council being modified.
And in terms of the extraction ducting, the ducting will only have an outer layer.
There will be no noise as the silencer will be installed and there will be no any pollution or any sort because there will be filters and everything which will be installed inside the shop.
So there will be no mess, no noise, any disturbance to neighbours in any way. As well as in terms of the food, the business is proposed for a healthy Periperi grilled food.
There's not any oil involved in terms of the side of it, just a healthy alternative food for the high street.
This business approval will provide at least 15 to 20 jobs for the locals and the approval means it's good for the community and the area.
There's no harm in any way for any reason. Thank you for the opportunity and I'm happy to answer any questions.
Thank you. Any questions? It was very useful having the sight of it yesterday and seeing what's being done there.
I think we saw a lot of what we need to see. Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Can I just confirm with you when you say no take away?
I mean, it's mostly a restaurant to sit down and eat the restaurant, but they will be doing take away as well.
So when we consider a restaurant, normally they will do take away, but we've got seating.
So the premises would be majority providing seats for customers.
That's why we will not consider it as a hot food take away.
And also the condition seven about it shall have no seating arrangement.
We were told earlier that meant seating outside on the pavement rather than inside. Can that be clarified?
It's not clear here. Correct.
I think the conditions could be amended as external seatings.
That could be amended. Yeah, I think that needs to be clear.
Thank you. Any further questions or comments? No.
Then we'll go to the vote on that one. The offices recommend approval.
All those in favor. That's all that application is approved.
I mean, that goes to the last item. One three eight high road.
Hi. So I'm here to present the application at one three eight high road for the conversion of existing building into three self-contained units.
Flats including first and second floor retention. So previous application were refused at the committee for the conversion of existing building into three units already.
But this scheme is currently the previous refusal scheme is currently contested at appeal.
And this resubmission has reduced in size and number of total occupants, which would be discussed at later section.
So this application site is on the eastern side of the high road near a junction of the Leicester Road and is within East Finchley Road.
The property is comprised of a commercial use for a Thai restaurant formerly and now is vacant.
So this is the existing and proposed block plan and some aerial photos and site photos internally and externally.
So this is the site I've taken on the first floor on the neighbors to the right, which is number one three six eight and offices were not able to gain access to what our number one three six B on the second floor.
But this photo was extracted from the previous application and looked at that number one three six eight and B were not considered a fully functioned self-contained unit as they shared a communal bathroom.
So there are two reasons that was refused at the committee previously is due to the character and impacted neighbors and also failed to enter a legal agreement to mitigate the highways and car parking impacts of proposed development.
So I'm here to try to compare the two schemes.
So previously there is two number of two bathroom three person units, eight person in total, and now the current scheme would be providing for three one bad two person units, which leave about six person.
So this is the comparison on the ground floor and the existing one, the previous refusal one and the current scheme.
So that's not much of the changes on the ground floor level.
But on the first floor, you could tell there's a set in by two meter on the side and the rebuilding line is projected up to the one aligned to number one four zero.
And this rooftop roof level is the same set in by two meter on the side and aligned to the boundary of 140.
And no changes to the front compared to the previous refusal scheme.
But you could tell from the size and it's significantly reduced.
And this is the section plan comparison.
So offices are considered that the proposal has reduced in size and depth and numbers of occupants and that there are dual aspect nature of the kitchen in the first floor flat and on balance that would be fine as acceptable level of outlook and light to the neighbors.
And in terms of the previous concern on poor amenity for the occupants is noted that that's the first floor and second floor internal space are measured 55 square meter, which is five square meter more than the required internal space.
So plus, there's no existing accommodation, which has benefited from outdoor amenities space. Therefore, on balance, we find that this application is recommended for approval subject to conditions.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Okay, we have no speaker on here on this one, but just the agent, Mr Hill.
Thank you again, if you can turn the microphone on, introduce yourself, you have three minutes to speak and be given a warning when you have one minute left.
My name is Chris, I'm a senior architectural designer working at DPA Architects, the agent for the plan application.
I'd like to thank the chair for giving me the opportunity to address you this evening.
As explained by the plan officer, this application seeks to extend and partially convert this building and thereby create three self-contained one bedroom flats.
Under these proposals, part of the existing ground floor restaurant would be retained, but only as Class E, to use as a suitable small retail unit.
While preparing the second application, we listened carefully to the concerns and specific requests raised by your officers alongside those advising out of public consultation.
We then went on to amend design to suit these concerns and requests.
The goal of these amendments was to address these concerns, provide additional information as appropriate.
The outcome of the process of collaboration with the council is a scheme which addresses all the local national plan policies
and which will deliver new homes in the borough, whilst at the same time safeguarding the amenities of the occupiers of the neighbouring flats.
In terms of design, as noted within the plan officer's report, the extension would be in keeping with the previously approved extensions to the other properties adjacent.
In response to the concerns raised by neighbouring residents, the planning officer and assessment of daylight and sunlight was undertaken, which confirmed there would be no loss of light to the residents within 140 High Road.
The main amendment to the previous scheme was to reduce the width of the gap between our proposed rear extension and 136 and 136B.
As the planning officer's report notes, the separation between the proposed flats and the commercial yoga studio to the rear is such that there will be no material harm to the amenity.
Planning officers giving responses to public consultation comments in addition to those responses, I would like to point out that should planning permission be granted,
development will proceed in accordance with other relevant areas of legislation, including the Party Wall Act building regulations.
This will provide additional safeguards relevant to concerns raised including matters such as sewage, means of access, erection of scaffolding and dust control.
To confirm the applicant is content to accept the terms of the proposed recommendation to grant planning permission, he is happy to comply with the proposed section 106 agreement,
which will fund measures necessary to prevent future occupiers of the scheme from using parking bays within the controlled residents' parking zone.
He is also happy to comply with all the other drafted planning conditions.
The applicant has asked me to use this opportunity to explain the history of the site and the reasons for this development.
The building was purchased by the applicant's father in the late 1960s.
It has always been a difficult shop to lease due to its size as well as the inclusion of the upper floors.
Many businesses have struggled to survive in this location.
The last two businesses failed due to the fact the upper floors included within the lease can only be accessed through the shop and therefore unable to be utilised.
The applicant's aim is not to maximise the value of the site by cramming in as many flats as possible, but many to make this site work.
A smaller number of flats, a smaller more easily lessable shop will allow this building to remain in the family into the future and will bring back to life what is at the moment essentially a dilapidated shell of a building,
whilst at the same time supplying high quality accommodation and enhancing the love industry.
Thank you.
If you can wait and see if there are any questions?
No questions? Thank you.
Any questions to the officers or comments?
I'd like to comment. I'm the ward Councillor for this one and I was also on the committee that refused the last application.
So looking at this application, there's certainly an improvement to taking it away from 136.
Although there is still some effect, I think, on the windows, especially the top window.
But I am still concerned about the ground floor.
The extension on the ground floor, which means that there's very little space at the back.
And I think that's just a congestive and overdeveloped at the back.
So I'm inclined to say that this is still an overdevelopment of this site.
That's my opinion. Anybody else want to say anything?
Could you clarify the space between the end of the building and the boundary wall?
Thank you for your question. So you can tell the rebuilding line is actually having two to 3.7 metres away from the...
Sorry, I was using my own mouth.
But yeah, this bit is about 3.7 metres deep and this rebuilding line, they have a two metre gap.
So in total, the real amenity space is 15 square metres, which comfortably exceeds the London plan requirement.
Thank you.
Thank you. There's no more comments or questions.
We'll go to the vote on that one. The officer's recommendation is for approval.
All those in favour of approval?
There's four and against one. The application is approved.
And that's it at ten past ten. Not too bad. That's all the agenda for tonight.
Thank you very much.
Transcript
Good evening everybody. It's gone seven o'clock so we're going to start the meeting now. I'm
Councillor Claire Farrier and I'm Chair of this planning committee. Thank you all for
attending this evening and I will ask all members of the committee to introduce themselves,
followed by the planning officers and the legal officer and governance. As I say, I'm
Councillor Claire Farrier, I'm a Councillor for East Finchley Ward and I chair the committee.
So if you can, Councillor Barnes, you can start. Good evening, I'm Councillor Richard
Barnes. Good evening, I'm Councillor Tim Robertson, Underhill Ward. Good evening, I'm
Councillor Moin Colin, Collindale South Ward. Good evening, Councillor Joshua Conway, Hendon
Ward. And there is one more member who has not arrived yet, Councillor Simberg, hopefully
will be here shortly, but he's missing the meeting. We've gone to the officers. Good
evening, John Sperling, Senior Planner. Good evening, I'm Heidi Oskar, Planning Manager.
Edie Flohr, Senior Planner. Good evening, I'm Leslie Feldman, Planning Manager. Good
evening, I'm Andrew Turner, Senior Planner. Good evening, everybody, I'm Jimmy Walsh,
the legal advisor to the committee. Good evening, we ask that you remain seated throughout the
meeting unless you are called to the table to speak on any particular item. Please note
that this meeting is being recorded and it's being broadcast and this is allowed for in
normal by the Council. So by attending, either in person or those who are attending online,
you may be picked up on recordings. Council recordings are covered by our privacy notice
and that can be found on the website at bonnet.gov.uk. The way this works is that I will ask the
Planning Officer to present each item, following which each speaker will have three minutes
to put their case to the committee and the Governance Officer will inform you when you
have one minute left and then we ask you to stay because we may have questions to ask
you, following which we'll have a discussion in the committee and then determine whether
we approve or not of the application and this will be announced to you. We'll explain when
you come to the table. If you haven't been here before, if you come to the table, there's
a button to turn the mic on, it's like a face with speech signs coming out of it. If there's
more than one microphone at a time, we sometimes get feedback, so let me ask you to turn the
microphone off when you finish speaking. Right, so a slight change on the agenda. The first
item will be, as is on the agenda, the land of 49 and 51 Burystd Avenue and then we're
going to hear item 12 on the agenda, 61 Finchley Lane and then 49 St. James's Avenue and then
Antion House. I hope that makes sense to everybody here to speak on those. Now, with regard to
item 8, St. James's Avenue, this is an application really by Barnet Council for a children's
for a new children's home. So, of course, we are members of the council, all people
on the committee members of the council. As members of the council, we are all in the
position of corporate parents to children who are in care with Barnet. And we have a
duty to support our looked after children. Two of us are also on the corporate parent
advisory in groups. We were aware that this premises had been purchased, but we had no
say in the decision about that. We were just informed about it. So just to assure you that
we are all approaching this with an open mind, we will hear the presentations. We've read
the relevant information and we'll make our decision based on that. So is that all right
with everybody in the committee? Did you want to say anything else, Councillor Conway? That
one? OK. Right. So we go on to absence of members. Council Greenspan is being substituted
by Councillor Stenberg, who, as I say, has not quite come yet. Any other declaration
of interests? No. No dispensations granted by the monitoring officer. An addendum to
the agenda was published this afternoon. I think everybody has had a chance to see that.
The minutes of the last meeting, the first item on the agenda. Have we all read and agreed
the minutes? Yep. I'll just sign the minutes. And then we go straight on to the first item,
which is the land at 49 and 51 Beresford Avenue. The officers could present that item. Good
evening, councillors. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. First of all, can I just confirm
that everyone's able to hear me? Yeah. Excellent. So good evening. I'll be presenting land at
49 and 51 Beresford Avenue. The application is for the reserve matters application in
respect of details relating to landscaping pursuant to condition three attached to planning
permission for the demolition of part of number 51 Beresford Avenue and the erection of six
semi-detached dwellings on land at 49 and 51 Beresford Avenue. This is the location
and an aerial image showing the site. Just some relevant case history. The application
was applied for concerning outline planning permission for landscaping reserved for the
demolition of part of number 51 Beresford Avenue and the erection of six semi-detached
dwellings. The application was initially refused at planning committee B, but then later the
decision was overturned at appeal in January 2024. Members should note that all other matters,
including design, access, appearance and parking were agreed and approved at the outline stage.
So condition three of the appeal decision, which was written by the planning inspectorate,
set out in a relatively good level of detail what needed to be provided to discharge condition
three relating to the reserve matters. I can come back to this slide later, but I'll just
leave it here for a second. The description of the development for the current application
is the reserve matters in respect of details relating to landscaping pursuant to condition
three attached to the planning permission for the demolition of 51 Beresford Avenue.
Following amendments and additional information, the council's highway officer and arbor culture
officer were satisfied with the scheme. This is the approved site layout as part of the
appeal decision. This is the proposed landscape plan at its fifth revision. To conclude the
key considerations and recommendations, for the proposed hard and soft landscaping, for
the discharge of condition three of appeal decision at appeal, it fully complies with
the explicit requirements of the condition and if fully implemented, will represent a
very high quality hard and soft landscaping scheme, which were effectively the words of
the arbor culture officer for the London Borough of Barnet. Following amendments and additional
information, the arbor culture officer and the highways officer for the council were
satisfied and network rail also confirmed that they have no objections to make. All
other matters have been approved and subject to certain conditions and to be applied for
and discharged prior to the commencement of development on site. This application is recommended
for approval and open handed back. Thank you. Thank you. I have two speakers for this. Jim
Fraser and Kirsty Fraser. Mr and Mrs Fraser here. If you'd like to come forward. As I
said, take a seat and turn your microphone on. You can see a button with a picture of
a face on it. That's it. You have three minutes to speak and we'll give you notice when you
have one minute left. And after that, we may have some questions to ask you. OK, that's
over to you. OK. We challenge the recommendations made by the planning officer. Also, we have
consistently criticised the planners for inflating the number of people they claim to have consulted.
Now, without evidence, we are accused of the same. The report falsely alleges that the
residents of 37 and 47 have inflated the objection numbers. We refute this baseless attempt to
discredit us. We notice that the author of the report is here and I was invited now to
apologise. Mr Turner, will you apologise? You made allegations against me and the colleague.
A couple of minutes to speak. It's up for the members of the committee to ask questions
of the officers. OK. At the end, we'll accept the apology. Previously, we provided proof
of developers breaching planning law, yet the planners sided with the developers abandoned
due diligence and acted as their mouthpiece. In defence of the developers' villains, the
planners' reply was that there was no reason not to believe the developers. The planners
have also misinterpreted the inspectors ruling on the tunnel wear charts, suggesting the
reserve matters can proceed before addressing the safety investigation. They claim they
are content that before the development means the reserve matters can be implemented first
and then they will monitor the tunnel air shaft safety investigation. They also added
that the outcome not be preempted and they are satisfied that there is no railway related
network of real reasons to review this current application.
Are you sure you wouldn't like me to repeat? I think we're OK. This statement is preemptive
and they have no proof. The planners' blind faith has resulted in years of wasted resources.
Then we have to consider network. You have one minute remaining. Clearly stating that
there are issues. Less than two years ago in the rail tunnel just outside Bath, a train
burst into flames and smoke and it was the air shafts that saved the passengers and staff.
Network Rail have made it clear that they have little knowledge about the air tunnel
shafts under these properties and that is why they need a safety inspection before they
can recommend the current reserve matters. We understand that planning might feel under
pressure to draw a conclusion to this after years of pursuing, but given the overall conduct
of the developer and their misrepresentation on planning law, asset protection, Arabs consultation
restricted covenants and the failures in planning due process, they are only themselves to blame.
There should be no compromises over safety. That's time. Thank you. Sorry, I didn't hear
that. That's time. Thank you.
Got any questions? Or does anybody want to hear any more?
Councillor Roberts. I just wanted to ask you, have the concerns
of British Rail been widely publicised, made available to local residents and others?
The British Rail and the chief of the operations, Mark Leighton, has written to the council
and the planners, setting out that it's too premature to allow reserve matters before
the investigation of the air shafts and the ground is carried out. It would be too premature
to do that. They are withholding any judgement on that
at this stage? That is correct. It depends on what you mean
by withholding, the stated fact that they do not know whether it's safe or not.
Thank you. I think you'll find, and the officers may
explain afterwards, that Network Rail have not made any comments at this stage, but there
is a condition that this should be agreed with them before any work starts.
Legally, we can't ask for that condition to happen before the decision is made, but
before any work starts, it needs to be made. Thank you for reminding me of that. That was
the Inspector's ruling, yes. Any more questions?
Councillor Conway. Putting aside any safety issues, is there
any other issues that you have with this? Yes, and Kirsty will be bringing these up,
but if you like I can briefly run over them. Would you like that?
Just the issues which aren't in regards to safety, but in regards to planning.
Most of the design of the plans for this development are called into question because of Millon's
own safety audit. They referred to collisions with cars and collisions with people, and
if you look at the whole design, which is part of the landscape, you'll notice that
particularly number 51, they will actually step out right onto the road.
There are other issues with the road, of course. The field of vision is restricted, despite
what the report says, and we are also concerned with the width of the road. There is no leeway
for emergency vehicles or anything of that nature.
Any other questions? Mr Toner, would you like to apologise?
Just hearing from you and taking questions now, the officers will have a chance to speak
afterwards. So thank you very much, if you can take your seats now.
We have Kirsty Fraser who would like to speak. Hi. Hi, everyone.
Just to remind you again, you will have three minutes to speak if you choose yourself, and
then you'll have three minutes to speak, until the warning when you have one minute left.
All right, thank you. All right, evening, everyone. I'm Kirsty from Beresford Avenue.
This reserve matter's application should be denied, and the statement of support in the
planning officer's assessment is inaccurate, misleading, unsafe and illogical.
Firstly, stepping out of 51 Beresford Avenue, there's basically going to be a gate, and
the family home will just have no pavement in front of it, and it will walk straight
into the highway. This is obviously incredibly dangerous, and the developer safety audit
comes up with no realistic option of avoiding colliding cars or collisions with pedestrians.
We did actually have a meeting with Steve and Volley, and we were discussing the problems
with that particular exit for that house, the gateway opening onto a road, and obviously
as they approach the access road, that if they saw an oncoming vehicle, the car may
have to reverse, and obviously... Sorry, can I just interrupt you there? As
you're aware, we're hearing tonight just the conditions about landscaping, I think the
access and the side roads and so on... Okay, so just to finish my point...
Which was agreed in the outline... Okay, so just to finish my point quickly then...
It's just what we're looking at... Sorry, no problem, I'll go back to that,
but Stephen did say that those cars would not be reversing there, which obviously is
not enforceable. So anyway, Network Rail Engineers assert it's premature to deal with this application
now, which seems to be acknowledged, I think, because we don't have the safety report, and
the airshafts need investigations to ensure safety. After a decade of applications, this
is nearly 10 years in the making, millings face two restrictive covenants for bidding
house building over the rail tunnel. We don't know if the tunnel can withstand ground excavations
until the airshafts are properly assessed, as per the Health and Safety Act.
Beristed residents and the council cannot accept this application when it might change
after an airshaft investigation would be denied our right to critique and evaluate the outcome.
Our planners feel confident that they can monitor millings after this application is
approved, but you've had 10 years to monitor this development over their claims of securing
a Network Rail Assessment, sorry, Asset Protection Agreement. They don't have such an agreement.
The latest report claims planners could manage the airshaft investigation post-approval,
and back up their unsubstantiated claim that they have recycled their statement, thank
you, from earlier reports. There's no planning or evidence of monitoring any conditions of
the developer over the past 10 years. Millings has just been relentless, keeps set in submitting
applications one after the other, and at the last meeting, they did actually shout, the
last meeting that they attended, they did shout that they were going to keep going and
going and going. Now, we did ask for that statement to be minuted, but Stephen didn't
minute it, but we did raise that concern. On one hand, to choose to rely on the planners'
well-documented historic unreliability to monitor millings, on the other hand, to choose
Networks Rail's valid health and safety concerns about this application, we believe it should
be investigated first and then followed up with an amended matters application. We recommend
the committee deny this application, and there's just too many ifs and buts about this application,
and we just want you to refuse it like every other, all the councillors that have before
you over the last decade. Thank you. Any questions? Yes, Councillor Conway. What's the issues
with the landscaping? With the landscaping? Are we talking about the actual layout of
the…? Yeah, can you explain what you mean by landscaping and I'll answer the question,
if that's all right? I didn't mean that. I'll ask the officers afterwards, but just
in regards to this reserve matters application with respect to details relating to landscaping,
what are your issues with the landscaping? I'm not sure how to answer that question.
Can I ask the Beresford group that are behind me? I'm afraid you're here to answer the
questions, not other people. Okay, but I have concentrated on the safety factors here tonight.
Sorry, I can't answer more. Though I would just say, as I said to Mr Fraser, there is
a condition resulting from the appeal that the safety report should be confirmed with
networked rail before any work starts. You can't ask for that before decision is made,
but if that condition is there, then it should be done before any work starts, and the officers
will explain that further afterwards, if that's okay. Any further questions? No, thank you
very much. Thank you. So, as I say, I'll ask you to explain that a little bit more,
and if there's any other comments or questions for members at this stage. Oh, I'm sorry,
I'm forgetting the applicants. Always doing that. Sorry, the applicant, the agent, we
have Mr Millen, Vincent Millen. I do apologise for missing you out, that's my area. There's
a button with a face on it, if you don't want your finger in, it's not very clear to see.
That's it, yes, again, if you could introduce yourself, then you have three minutes to speak,
and you'll be given a warning when you have one minute left. Hi, my name is Ben Lowry,
I'm one of the owners of Millen Homes. Thanks for hearing us tonight. I don't really have
too much to say in terms of the landscaping. Almost identical scheme was approved by this
committee two years ago, the only difference was the access came in off a slightly different
roof. In terms of this inspection shaft that keeps coming up tonight, I thought I'd just
cover this off, that was inspected by Network Rail last year, and they've now concreted
that over, it's sealed off, and it's been purposely located in a position where it's
easily accessible under a car parking space. Network Rail are happy with it, they've signed
off on it, we have a BAPA agreement drafted and in place, the only reason that isn't signed
is because we have to pay a substantial amount of money at that stage, and until such time
as detailed permission was granted, we wouldn't commit to those funds, because it's a very
large chunk of money. So, in terms of the landscaping, we've worked very hard to make
sure that the landscaping officers are happy, and the scheme is pretty much in terms of
planting, layout, maintenance, identical to the scheme that was approved two years ago
by this committee. Thank you for your time.
Thank you. Can you just confirm your name? Are you Benjamin?
I'm Benjamin Lowry.
Right, just take your name down properly. Any questions from members? No? Okay, thank
you very much. And, again, we go back to the officer. Talking about the condition from
Network Rail…
Certainly, yes. So, as was detailed in the officer report, the wording of the condition
for the Network Rail was quite specific, and conditions need to be clear. There's a criteria
for a condition to make sure that it's clear, understandable, and the clear wording of the
condition is, No development shall take place until details of the location, extent,
and depth of all excavations of the services have been looked into.
I'm sort of paraphrasing
it slightly, but the wording at the beginning of the condition is very specific, in that
it says, No development shall take place until details,
etc. And having worked on
major schemes before, if there was the expectation for those details to be provided before the
reserve matters, it would have said something along the lines of, Prior to reserve matters
being submitted.
Is that condition… That condition is not on these papers? Is that just because it came
from the appeal? That's part of this?
No, no, the…
On these papers, it goes from Condition 3 to Condition 7. I don't know if that's
been messed up.
So, it's within the body of the report?
Right.
So, it's on page 16 of the report which has been published.
Appeal decision.
Okay.
It's got about an appeal decision there, I want to say. I can't say it specifically,
but it is… Although that's not in the report as a condition, it is…
It isn't a condition which we attached. It's a condition which the Inspector attached.
Thank you.
Okay. Councillor Canwick.
In your opinion, is there any aspect of either the softer the landscape will make it dangerous
for anyone entering or leaving the development?
So our highway officer has looked into this. Following residents' concerns, they were
consulted later on in the process, just to be absolutely crystal clear. And they said,
following an amendment to the fencing, which pulls the height of the fencing down and back,
they're entirely satisfied that there are no highway concerns.
Any further questions, Councillor Barnes?
We've heard mention the air shafts or shaft on a couple of occasions. Would you like to
comment on that as well?
So that's entirely unrelated to the landscaping condition. There's a separate condition
which we will deal with and which the applicant will need to deal with before the commencement
of works on site. But that's not something which we can and need to deal with at this
stage.
Thank you. Any further questions? Councillor Roberts.
Is the application dependent upon that decision that's yet to be made, whatever decision
we make this evening?
No, so the applicant will still need to come in with those details once the decision on
the landscaping has been made.
About the rail tunnel going underneath that is yet to be resolved as well.
The proposal is set out at the start of the report and there's a lot of discussion tonight
of background information for decisions that have already been made at the appeal. So really
what you're looking at, the only decision you're making tonight is in relation to that
landscaping condition. It's a reserved matter. So it's being reserved, without any permission,
being reserved and you're being asked that decision to make a decision on that. And I'm
happy to hear about the background, et cetera, but it's not related, unless the subject tells
me otherwise, to this condition. That will have its life of its own as it would do like
a normal planning application.
But the safety report about the railway shaft needs to be given to Network Rail and agreed
with Network Rail before any work can start. That's what the condition is.
Any further? We will go to a vote. The officers are recommending approval of this application.
All those in favour of approval? There's four against, one not voting. So that application
is approved. And we move on to –
I'm sorry, we've finished with that application now. As you heard, we were looking at reserve
matters. Thank you. We have finished with that application now. We're moving on to the next
one. We're moving on to 61. We have finished with that application. If you could quietly
leave the room now. Thank you. We'll move on to 61 Pinchley Lane.
Thank you. We have heard you, and you have heard that tonight we are dealing with just
the conditions. Yes, we've heard you. Thank you very much.
Thank you. And we'll move on to 61 Pinchley Lane.
Thank you. The next item on the agenda is 61 Pinchley Lane in Hendon. The proposal is
for a single-storey rear outbuilding, partly retrospective as it amends a building that's
already built on the site. So members of the committee at the site visit yesterday. This
is the property here, one half of a pair of semis here on Pinchley Lane. It's been converted
into a number of flats. These are some site photographs. This shows the front of the property
here and the access way down the side here, which leads through to communal gardens and
a series of historic outbuildings and a new outbuilding, which has been built along the
back of the site at the rear here, which has been built unlawfully and has been the subject
of a number of applications over the last couple of years, as you'll see from the report.
So that was obviously the original plan of the garden. The flats, three flats at ground
floor level in the main building have got their own private garden. The rest of the
area here was communal garden for all the flats. These two buildings here and these
two garage-type buildings there are lawful. They've been there for some time. Previously,
the building that was built incorporated the buildings on this side and extended across
the width of the site and extended down here. So this building has not got planning permission.
It's been refused, as have a number of variations to it. An enforcement notice has been served,
which is now subject of an appeal. We're awaiting the decision. You'll see from the report and
the addendum that the most recent application was to amend that building and retain it.
In this form here, extending right up to the boundary of the property on this side here,
it was reported to Planning Committee last year and members refused it. Again, that application
is at appeal at the moment, but as of today we don't have a decision on that application.
So the current proposal is to amend the outbuilding further and it would set it away from the
side on this side as well as on this side, so there will be a two metre gap between the
building and each side boundary. The depth of the extension would remain as it is. Its
overall height, as we'll see in a moment, is 2.5 metres here and as members will have
seen on site yesterday, the actual height of the building is the same height as the
fence, which runs along this boundary on this side with number 59. Yes, that's the fence
line here and that's the building, and this is the height of the fence to the other side.
So this is the unlawful building that's currently situated on that boundary here, so it will
be set back, this part will be removed, retaining this rearmost portion only. The enforcement
case relates to the whole of the unlawful outbuilding here, which is required to demolish
all these buildings and the garages on site here. This was the scheme that was refused
last year so members can see there was a distance to the boundary on this side, but it projected
up to the boundary on this side, so the main difference now is making the building even
smaller to remove this area here to ensure a separation to the boundary of two metres.
So in terms of the key considerations, officers consider the scale of the outbuilding has
been reduced, it's been set back two metres from both side boundaries compared to the
previous scheme refused, and the communal garden will be closer in size to the original
because of the removal of existing sheds and reduction in the size of the outbuilding,
so the application is recommended for approval subject to conditions. Thank you.
Thank you. And we have Jodie Benign to speak, I think Benign is the one you were going to
speak for. We usually ask the Councillor to speak after the other speakers, Mark, I don't
know if you'd like to speak. Yes, if you can hear me, I'll pass them around.
I will say first thank you for coming this evening, it's my dire job easily not to have
to defer the item because you couldn't come, thank you. If you can turn the microphone
on, that's it, and then introduce yourself and you'll have three minutes to speak and
you'll be given a warning when you have one minute left, thank you.
Hi, my name is Jodie Benign and I live at 59 Finchley Lane, immediately next door to
the property with my husband Michael, five children and our puppy. It's been our family
home for the last 15 years. I object to this proposal. We are not property people. We feel
overwhelmed, frustrated and exhausted having to fight against developers who have more
financial power and expertise than we do. We've had to contend with six planning applications
just in the last 20 months, four of which were refused and one withdrawn. This started
when these developers built a series of outbuildings of this location unlawfully without permission.
There's a planning enforcement notice requiring the demolition of all these outbuildings which
the developers are currently appealing. They believe that asking for forgiveness rather
than for permission is an acceptable tactic. With respect, the committee should not reward
the applicant's bad behavior. I spoke before the planning committee last September when
the planning officer was recommending approval for a single story rear outbuilding. All six
members of the committee unanimously agreed with the planning officer and a refusal was
issued on the grounds which are summarized in Exhibit 1 disagreed with the planning officer.
Almost a year later, I am baffled to be back here with the planning officer again recommending
approval for an almost identical proposal. What has changed? Essentially nothing. In
Exhibit 1, you see clearly that the proposed outbuilding has not changed in size. It has
merely been moved away slightly from the northern boundary. The committee's recent refusal reasons
of excessive footprint, size, scale, depth and height all remain. In a similar vein,
if it was determined mid last year that a gym is uncharacteristically intensive use
for a residential garden, how can it be acceptable now? Please see Exhibit 2. Furthermore, an
outbuilding like this is inconsistent with DM01 and would therefore meaningfully impact
the character of our neighborhood. Please see Exhibit 3. On Google Maps, the only other
outbuilding I can identify with an address on our side of the road is the developer's
other property at number 53. There they first applied for an ancillary use as a gym. It's
never been used as a gym, and then have applied numerous times to convert that building into
residential use, having been refused three times since June 2023 with an application
pending. You have one minute remaining. Exhibit 4 illustrates this pattern of incremental
building. It's a war of attrition on us and on your resources. We believe they'll do exactly
the same at 61. They've had discrepancies in their application, saying there's no water
when there is, saying buildings were pre-existing when they were not. You can see that in Exhibits
5 and 6. They've also had a complete disregard for us and for the law. They've rented out
two of their flats as Airbnbs since day one. They don't care about the 90-day rule. We
can't go in our garden because there's constant smells of marijuana. We're kept up at night
by loud noise. The developers have no regard for us. To conclude, we believe that this
application should be denied for the reasons we've stated. You can see them in Exhibit
- It's the same size. It's the same use. It's inconsistent with DM01. The developer has a track record of unlawful development. They've not told the truth. They've been unreliable. They've used their properties as Airbnb, showing unprincipled behaviour and approving them now, which is reward bad behaviour. Thank you very much. It was well timed. Any questions? Thank you very much for this, which is very clear. You worked hard on it. It looks like we have no questions at the moment. No questions. I'll have Councillor Mark Shooter. Thank you very much, Chair. It's good to be back. You've only got three minutes to speak. Yes, three minutes. I'm not going to time myself. I haven't got a lot to add on an excellent presentation. This obviously was here last year a few times, I think four times. I penciled in my diary for next year another three times, just the optimism that it gets refused again. Last time, we went through it in detail and the committee voted 6-0 against the application. From what I can see, nothing's really changed very much from the previous application. It's still the same size, as far as I can see. The height is definitely the same, 2.45 metres. It was refused on height as well as bulking and various other issues, DM01, et cetera. What they're going to do, they can keep coming back and take an inch off, here, there, everywhere. It doesn't really change the fact that this is really trying to put lipstick on an elephant, on a pig, actually. Lipstick on a pig is just trying to dress up fat. It's an eyesore. You go on Google Earth, you can see there's nothing in the near vicinity anything like this. They're claiming that it's going to be a gym and they put the fowl, the drainage in for the toilets, et cetera. If it was a gym for the residents, they'd have their own apartments anyway to go to the bathroom. Is this going to be some kind of luxury spa with a bedroom? I mean, yoga room, anyway. It doesn't really make sense to me. We do have policies in place. I just think they're just trying to keep coming back in order to try and take advantage of get something through and then do some planning creep on the next one. Can't really add anything to the exhibits. They will speak for themselves. For me, just as a disclosure, I know the neighbours. I know many of the neighbours who are objecting here, so that's why I felt compelled to speak. Obviously, being a ward councillor, I don't really want to see this type of thing happening. I don't really want to see this type of increase in demise going in Hendon and spreading, especially on that road. It's very important to have other amenity space and gardens. We don't want people being overlooked. I think Jody alluded to Airbnb. I mean, if you do Google 61 Finchley Lane Airbnb, it does come up with a rather nice accommodation. I think we got five stars only two weeks ago. I think four stars the week before that. We do have a housing shortage, but not building ice halls and gardens. I think for all the stress it's caused in the area, I think it would be much better if the committee stuck to being consistent on the last application, which they turned down convincingly. This is pretty much the same application. It's just that the building has done a little walk to the centre, so it's shifted over. That's time, thank you. OK, thank you. Thank you. Any questions? Councillor Roberts. I just wanted to ask Councillor Shitter, in principle, are you against there being a gymnasium at the rear of this building? In principle, are you against the idea that a gymnasium should be at the end of this property? Not really. There's no problem having a gymnasium, if it is going to be a gymnasium. There's a grey area. I'm not against having gyms at the back of people's cars. What I'm against is huge out-of-character outbuildings that are actually ruining the lives of the people next door. As long as things are built within scale, and this is clearly not. You can see it from your garden. It is slightly over the fence, and these are high fences that have been put in, so it's quite a large outbuilding. It is, but those facilities, if it was a gym, for instance, then could be utilised by the residents of number 61. Yes, but what's to stop a bed going in as well? That could be part of it. Well, that's the issue. If they are running Airbnbs, then they're going to run Airbnbs from there. If it's open for residents, fine, but it just seems to be a very large building, way too large for the area, so it's really about the size issue more than anything else. Gymnasiums do need to be of a certain size by the very nature of what they're there for. Well, they can be adaptable. They can get smaller if they want to. They just have one less running machine. I don't know whether they're planning to service the whole of Hendon in that size gym. Thank you. As you know, I was on the committee last time that turned it down. I think I was chairing that committee as well. But there is a big change now, so it has been made a lot smaller, so you're saying it's still rather large. As far as I can see, it's easy. It's looking at does this meet the reasons that the last one was turned down, so it's just an excessive size, design, siting, scale, depth, height and so on. The height hasn't changed. Even if the size has changed, I don't think it has. It might have changed from the original first application, but from the last one that was turned down, I don't believe it's changed. You have the exhibits, but regardless of that, it was turned down also on height, and the height is certainly the same height as it was previously that was turned down, and that was one of the specific reasons that was listed. We'll ask for confirmation on that. We were told that the height is the same, and we saw on the fact that the height is the same as it was in the previous application, so therefore it can't be seen. It's a matter of looking at it, and in terms of Airbnb, that's not something we can look at now. I appreciate how neighbours may feel about that. I haven't got anything against Airbnbs either, by the way, I use them sometimes when I go on holiday. We'll hear from the applicant's agent now, and then they'll get in the station. Thank you very much. One more question, sorry, Councillor Conway. Just following on from Councillor Roberts' question in regards to gyms, do you think there's any difference when a gym is in a private resident's home rather than if it's in a large block of flats? Well, I guess it would make a lot more sense building a gym if you had a resident block of 200 people. It would be far more cost-effective than building a gym for five flats, so I don't know what the landlord is looking to achieve here. I don't think he's going to achieve a significant uplift in rent that will help pay for the capital outlay of this supposed gym. So I don't see, personally, I think it was something that was probably thought of afterwards when there was obviously some scrutiny from complaints from the neighbourhood what's going on. There's a huge outbuilding that's gone up illegally, and perhaps it was retrofitted. I don't know the history of what happened, but it doesn't make sense for me that there should be – how much gym equipment do you need for five units, five residential units? And there are many, many gyms all around Hendon as well that are very, very good. I think there's the Middlesex University gym, you've got the gym at Hendon Central as well, and if someone wanted a running machine they can go and buy their own running machine. The flats are quite nice sized flats and big enough to host their own workout equipment should they so wish. Okay, thank you. And then we have the agent, George Ray. Thank you, I think you also know the procedure, if you turn your microphone on. Now we have three minutes to speak, you can be given number one when you have one minute left. Thank you Chair and members of the Planning Committee for the opportunity to speak today. Upon reviewing the objections raised against the proposal, it is evident that they either follow a repetitive pattern or consist of copied content. All 17 points in each objection focus on either alleged past accusations or speculative future accusations by my client. Rather than addressing the actual details of the current proposal, if we concentrate solely on the facts of the application, devoid of the unsubstantiated claims presented by a neighbouring party, it becomes clear that the only reasonable conclusion is for this application to be approved. The proposed development is significantly reduced in scale from the original application and is smaller than the previous refuse scheme. Frankly, I'm surprised by the attention this mine application has attracted. The prior refusal considered concerns about the security of number 59, specifically the fear that people could jump from the outbuilding into their garden, as well as the outbuilding size and its impact of number 59's immunity case. My client addressed these concerns by repositioning the outbuilding more than two metres away from both neighbouring properties and ensuring its roof is below the fence line, effectively eliminating any potential impact to neighbouring properties. Furthermore, the proposed outbuilding is smaller than similar developments built at numbers 51, 53, 76, 82, 88, 95, demonstrating that it's not out of character for the street. For these reasons, the planning department has recommended approval. My client has consistently approached this process with diligence and responsiveness. After the previous application was refused, he consulted with the planning department, considered the committee's and neighbours' concerns and returned with a substantially revised proposal. The planning department confirmed that the revised proposal adequately addressed all the concerns and again issued an approval. My client has transformed the previously dilapidated site into a well-developed property with high quality residential flats, all constructed in strict compliance with planning approval permissions. When it came to the rear garden, he was misinformed about the permitted development. You heard one minute remaining. Whilst it was clarified that Albert did not fall under such rights, he collaborated closely with the council to develop a scheme that meets planning policies while addressing neighbours' concerns, reducing the size scale repeatedly. It's important to note that current objections do not cite any planning policy issues, but rather make basis accusations against my client. His objective is to provide functional and minute space that enhances the residents' quality of life. Objections questioning the use of the outbuilding as a gym are particularly unfounded in today's context, where integrating gyms into residential sites is seen as beneficial for physical and mental wellbeing. In summary, the proposal in front of you today has been meticulously adapted, scaled down and thoughtfully designed to align with the planning policies and address all previously raised concerns. I urge the committee to focus on the actual merits of the application and approve accordingly. Thank you. Any questions? Councillor Roberts. Can you clarify? The use of the gym is for the residents of the property. Yes. So, I know the planning officer... Not the commercial entity. No, no, no. And in addition to that, I noted that the planning officer said that the three ground floor flats have their own private amenity space, but that they also have use of the communal amenity space at the rear. So they will also be able to use and benefit from this area. Any further questions? Councillor Conway. Thank you. What was the size of the gym in the previous application? I don't know if I've got the notes. I've got the plans, but I don't know if they're on board. Just because you mentioned that it's been majorly scaled down, so I'm just trying to work out what... I said scaled down, and I said majorly scaled down from the original application. So on the first application, as you can see, that was refused, and each time we have scaled it down. Apart from, obviously, the very large one, or the other ones that we have significantly scaled down, have been approved by planning officers and taken to committee by the objections of the neighbours. But each time we have reduced the scale. So obviously, from the previous one to this one, it has been reduced. No percentage, I don't know off the top of my head. Just looking at the plans both here and previously leading up to this meeting, it doesn't look to me. So I'm just trying to find out what the actual size is, because it still looks the same. And previously the committee said grants for refusal are due to excessive footprint, excessive size, excessive design, excessive scale, excessive height and excessive depth. And I can't see how that has been reduced. Besides that, it's been moved slightly away from the fence, yet at the same time making it closer to the other fence. So whilst making it potentially slightly better for one neighbour, you've made it worse for the other neighbour. Well, if you look at the other neighbour, if you look at the photos of the other side, you'll see that there's a massive brick wall on the other side. So in fact, if it is still two metres away, 2.5 metres in height, which is below the fence line, so it simply cannot affect any amenity space of neighbours. I don't think that is a necessary concern in terms of impacting the amenity, because you visually can't see it. On that side anyway, you say, so move closer, there's a four metre brick wall on the other side of that fence. But on that side, yes, we did move it away from the neighbours of number 59, of course, because they were concerned. I remember at the committee, I don't know, I can't remember which committee members were here, but they did raise the point of they were nervous someone was going to climb on the roof and jump into their garden. So we paid attention to that. We thought it wasn't going to happen, but okay, it was a concern of them, so we moved it away. We did reduce it off the top of my head, maybe 5 to 10% reduction. But you've got to remember, each time, from the original one, it's probably about, I would say, half, just over half of the time. So we don't need to go to the original one, because we're talking about the previous one was rejected. Well, to be honest with you, I'm actually talking about this one. This one and the relevance of this application. To be honest with you, as I said to you, there were 17 objections raised. If we go through them, one by one, they're all not really relevant to this application. They all go on previous application. That's why I'm trying to stop now. I'm just asking about this one. This one is reduced from the previous application. Again, when we got objection one, again, it talks about, I've said, these are just notes I've written down. Objection one, not relevant to this application. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, as I said, concentrating on this application and the merits of this application, it has been reduced in size. It can't be seen by the neighbouring properties. The fact the use of the gym will benefit all residentials. I mean, I know Councillor Shooter mentioned, oh, it's OK, they can just shove a treadmill in their living room. I mean, it's quite easy, you know, thankfully I live in a house where I can. Other people may, people living in flats can't automatically do that. I think you've answered the question. Thank you. Any further questions, Councillor Collegg? Thank you. Having been on a site visit yesterday and seen the sort of existing building, unlawful building, I've got concerns on two fronts. It doesn't fall for the size and depth of the building, the actual physical construction there. It's going to be awfully uncomfortable for anyone exercising in there due to lack of ventilation. And then again, in the winter when it's cold, it's going to be really difficult for anyone to exercise in there due to the temperatures involved. So I do have concerns over the actual usage of the building. Sorry, I apologise. I missed, didn't hear your first, I heard about the winter. I didn't hear the forgot. The existing construction that you have there, minus the end bits and the bits around the side, so the bit that you intend to keep, doesn't appear to have sufficient ventilation for anyone who's doing some heavy exercise within the building. And that is a concern because I have a feeling that it's, if not unsafe, it's going to be uncomfortable. Sorry, are we able to bring up the proposed plans, the proposed floor plan, so everyone can see. I think you'll find you've got, there's three sides that have access to air ventilation. On each side, there are two windows proposed. Again, what you saw on site is not what the end product's going to be. Obviously, that is unlawful. They have to, unless something happens, they're going to have to knock it down and rebuild according to this plan. So based on this plan, you've got two windows on the side, you've got the front, which is obviously the longest stretch, which is proposed full of windows, double doors. I do believe that there is sufficient ventilation, according to the gym requirements. In addition to that, you talk about being cold winter days and that's back of garden. Yeah, my client would love to have it right closer to the house, but that again, would be against planning policy and wouldn't want to do that because that would be an eyesore. And well, I was up 6, 5.30 this morning, heading off to the gym. So, and it was dark and cold then. And you know, I would recommend people do do that. It's quite exhilarating. So I personally in the winter would recommend people venturing their beer of cold to enjoy benefits mentally and physically of going to the gym. And that is what this proposal is trying to represent. Just one point and two questions. You mentioned that your client was previously badly advised in regards to, but he hasn't given in to the thing yet, he's appealing it. Is he accepted that he was badly advised? But moving on to the two points, in this current application, on the application you've written, are you proposing to connect to existing drainage system? You clicked no. Sorry, sorry. In that application, it's been clicked, are you proposing to connect to the existing drainage system? And it's been ticked no. No. Yet we can see on site that there is drainage in a toilet into the gym. So where is that drainage? What is that drainage in that toilet for if it's not connected to the drainage system? Again, I'm trying to stick to this application. This application doesn't show any drainage. It was from previous applications that there is no drainage. Obviously it was done. There is still drainage there now. From previously, as you say, unlawful development. It simply won't be used. There simply won't be drainage. You can see there's no, I don't think there's a sink there or a toilet showing that there's a toilet. There is a toilet inside at the moment. Yes, but we're talking, again, trying to stick to the facts, trying to stick to the actual application. There is no proposed toilet there. And there is a proposed, as you say, in terms of he was badly advised. Yes, he was. He was told it was a permitted development. The truth is, if it was a single dwelling house, the proposed, what he built would be considered to be a permitted development. If he was informed incorrectly, it's everyone's right to appeal. Of course it's everyone's right to appeal. But in essence, this is what, again, I try again focusing on this application, the merits and the benefits this application will provide. Thank you. Thank you. In regards to this, once again, this application, this application now, it's written that according to the current application, outbuildings in yellow are labeled pre-existing. We've got an image from Google Maps that shows that's not true. Pre-existing to the building going down. Pre-existing that work started in February
- And in 29th of June 2019, you can see they are not there on Google Maps. If you go back to the previous plans, you'll see there's four separate plans. The first plan shows, you're right, original. And you're absolutely right, there are no outbuildings shown on that. But in the current application, it's written that the other outbuildings were pre-existing. So yeah, okay. So you're right. So there weren't any. Then, as the planning officer says, those ones, and these are the ones we were talking about, were then constructed prior to my client purchasing the property. Those were on site, and Dean Northwood, I think the planning officer stated. So there were four stages. So prior to the outbuildings being built, there were outbuildings there already. You're correct in saying, originally, there wasn't anything there, which the first plan does show. Is there an error in this current application? No, no, no. What I'm agreeing with you, I'm saying both statements are true. So there were previous, there were before the outbuildings was built, there were outbuildings there. But a few years before that, you're correct, there wasn't any buildings there at all. So I'm saying both statements are true. I'm not denying your statement. I don't really follow that, but just to move on to my last point, my last point. It's been said before, and it is connected to this application, the proposed use of an outbuild as a communal gym is also considered uncharacteristically intensive use for a residential garden. This is still a communal gym, and it's still in a residential garden. So putting aside any, we may disagree on whether you've made it any smaller or not, it still looks excessive, but it's still a communal gym and a residential garden, which your client has been told before, is uncharacteristic. Okay, I appreciate that comment. Not by me, but by the planning officers. And so my counter argument is, is that fundamentally, I believe that this gym will, and I hope Councillors agree with me, will be beneficial. Might be uncharacteristic, you're right, because not every house on the street has a gym there. But fundamentally, I really do believe that having a gym in a block of flats is very beneficial, especially at the moment. We've got to consider fitness, wellness of people, and it's very nice. In terms of moving on, I'll take further advice than this, but I think we're not able to consider what this may be used for. As far as I don't think using it as a gym, I'm not suggesting anything. They're saying it's being used a communal gym and the officers have said that communal gym is uncharacteristic in this area. We'll get confirmation of that from the opposition. Any further questions? No. Okay, so if we could have some comments from officers about whether this use of the gym may be allowed or not. In terms of the size of the building, I've just checked the officer report for the last application that came before committee, and that stated the building was 3.6 metres by 12.3 metres. The current plan shows 3.8 metres by 11.6. So it's 0.2 metres deeper and 0.7 metres narrower. Same height, but 4.5. Okay, thank you. I would like to say that, as I said, I was on the committee that turned this down last time, and it was very apparent then that the sort of wraparound was a huge overdevelopment of that area and for this site. Clearly this has been going on and we've heard from the speakers and we've read from the other objectors as well. It's been going on causing a lot of nuisance to them for a long time, and I do accept that, but I'm thinking if this was the first application that came, would we be looking at it differently, just as this application without knowing all the other things that were going on and were still coming under appeal. So I'm not decided on that, but we are just looking at what is before us tonight and coming to try and look at it as though it had no history, is what I'm saying. Any further comments or questions for anybody? Just from the size that we've just been given, it's just as excessive. Putting it aside, being built illegally, they haven't taken it down. Besides that, we've got a clear picture of there being drainage there. The building itself now in this application is 0.2 wider than it previously was. I just need to emphasise what the chair said. You're here tonight to consider the application which is single storey, rare outbuilding part retrospective. The history as regards, you do need to ignore to a certain extent, and also any future potential enforcement issues. That's up to the council to enforce those. If it goes into residential use, whatever is anticipated. At the moment, it's just for the building as proposed, not as you saw on the site visit. If you're going to vote to not approve it, which you're entitled to do, then you need to have in mind planning reasons to refuse this application. I would suggest future enforcement is not a reason and the drainage is not a reason. You need to consider this application. Thank you. If we can go to the vote then, the officers are recommending approval of this application. All those in favour of approval? That's two. Those against? Two. One not voting. I hate this council chair's decision then. I would have to go along with the officer's recommendation in that case for approval. This application has been approved. Good evening, everyone. I'm here to present a case at 49 St James Avenue. It's for a change of views from a C3 dwelling house to a C2 care home for three children. It's noted that the applicant is the director of the barner's family services and the children there is typically aged around 11 to 14 years old. As you can see from the site location plan, the application site is a two-storey semi-detached dwelling house located in the north-turn side of St James Avenue. The area is predominantly semi-detached houses with some detached houses. The site has a P-tail of two, which is considered accessibility is fairly poor, but it benefits from a driveway to the front and a private garden to the rear. So here are some of the aerial photos, and you can tell that that's a wraparound single-storey extension. And some site photos to the front and to the rear. So the existing house is a four-bed, seven-person home. There's no external changes proposed. And the main shared accommodation is at the ground floor level and consists of kitchen, dining room, living room, and a staff office. And the third floor, you can tell three children's home with sites about 13 to 19 square meters, which are quite spacious. Some concerns are raised of the proposed living room for the staff is 5.7 square meters large, which is slightly small, but because that would not be the primary accommodation for the staff, which on balance is fine. So the key arguments here is whether the use of a children's home would materially impact the character of the area, which is predominantly a single-family dwelling by virtue of the number of comings and goings and any associated impact to the noise and safety. So the staff pattern, you can tell, is likely to happen at about 7 to 11 p.m., which is unlikely to result in an intensification of the use beyond that expected of a single household. And this is the existing parking and cycle parking and waste management, which has retained its existing arrangement. And other considerations involved the principal development, which we find the applicant has demonstrated there is a need for care home in the locality, especially there are two councils' children home and a family resource center, which would be located within 1.1 to 1.6 miles, which is about 20 to 30 minutes walking distance from 49 St. James Avenue. So it creates a strong support network and has justifying the loss of a poorly accessible family home. And on balance, we find that the impact of character and the neighbor's amenities are acceptable, and therefore the application is recommended for approval subject to conditions. Thank you, Councillor Conway. Just with permission, although I was not involved in any of this, as a member of the Children's Education, OVU and Scruthers Subcommittee, with permission, can I just excuse myself for this application? You won't because because you're just reading their objections, you won't be able to answer questions for them, but you can you can read their statements. Yes, three minutes for each. Good evening, members and chair of the Planning Committee. My name is Ben Chung and I'm a planning consultant representing my clients, Miss Zora and Pfizer Siddiqui, who resides at number 60, Raleigh Drive, which is an immediate neighboring property to the north of the application site. My clients are deeply concerned about this planning application to convert a single family dwelling house to what is effectively a youth class C2 residential institution. We note a large number from the local community have voiced their concerns during the consultation process with 150 objections and only one letter of support. We sincerely request members to reject the officer's recommendation of approval and direct refusal of this application due to the following reasons. The principle of losing a single family dwelling house within what is an established residential area is considered unacceptable as it would create a net loss of family sized housing in the borough. This would serve to encourage and exacerbate the continuous and cumulative erosion of more family dwellings from being lost in established neighborhoods such as this. There has been no evidence to suggest alternative sites have been properly considered and assessed. There are simply no details of any alternative sites being documented in its evidence base in which demonstrate objectively how alternative sites have been convincingly discounted. We will simply never know whether those alternative sites may actually have particular advantages over this application site and is considered a serious flaw when properly considering other suitable sites elsewhere within the borough. The ground floor bedroom intended for one of the children is located to the front of the property and overlooking what is effectively the driveway. This is considered a substandard living condition for this habitable space and officers have not properly considered this issue. We consider the layout arrangement of the proposal to be substandard and inadequately thought through given there is no apparent dedicated staffing area within the property to provide the basis in which to operate from and provide round-the-clock care. In addition, having one of the children's bedroom on the ground floor so close to the entrance could mean children could escape without supervision. There appears to be no due consideration for access for all policies and principles being applied to the proposed development, nor has it been duly addressed in the committee report. This is contrary to local plan and London Plan policies. The site has a PTAU rating of 2 and is considered poor for public transport accessibility. This is clearly not a good sustainable site and that emerging local plan policy suggests the need for these sites to be in PTAU at least a 3 to 6. Just because the properties within close proximity to bus stops do not address the fact the site has overall poor public transport accessibility with limited bus connectivity. My clients have stressed that the council should be held responsible if any antisocial related incidents that occur and to which result in harm to any of their family members, damage to property and the wider neighbouring community. Lastly, my clients consider this proposal to be an incompatible use within what is an established residential neighbourhood and that other alternative and more suitable and sustainable sites should be considered instead. On balance, this is not a well thought through scheme with various weaknesses from a planning perspective and that we urge members to refuse primary provision accordingly. Thank you for your time. Thank you. As I say, because you're reading these on behalf of the objectors, we're not able to ask you questions, so thank you very much for your time. And then we have the agent, Jalpa Patel. You're not Jalpa Patel. Thank you, Brigitte, so if again you know how this works, if you can introduce yourself, you've got to have three minutes to speak and I'll give you a warning when you've got one minute left. Thank you very much. I am Brigitte Chordane, the Director of Children's Social Care and I have had the privilege of leading corporate parenting for the last eight years and I'm very proud of our achievement even more so, since the services to children in care received an outstanding from Ofsted recently in our inspection. The reason why I'm mentioning that is… Yeah, if I could just interrupt you to congratulate you on that, although we have four minutes for the council, but it was outstanding. Thank you. Thank you. The reason why I mention that is because one of the things that they highlighted was that one thing that we do very well is to make sure that our children who need to be in our care are placed at the right places at the right time. And why we need to look at the placement types is because everybody, most people know that there is a national shortage of foster carers and there is also a national shortage or there's a local shortage of placements for children to remain in the local area. And one of the things that we've worked really hard at over the last few years is to make sure that we create local placements and local options for our children that need to be in our care. We have invested a lot in trying to recruit more foster carers, but there is still a need for different types of environments for children. And the reason why we are looking at the children's homes is that sometimes children need to be in a different environment and not a family environment, but we want them to be local. We want them to not have to be placed out of the area and far distances from their connections from their families and from their schools. And the reason why we also want a small children's home is because if we have the children living locally going to local schools, there is a higher, better chance of them returning to their birth families and moving on to foster care if necessary. Barnet has three other children's homes that are run very effectively and have had them for some time. We have had excellent feedback from Ofsted and they're all graded as good. We for this home, we will have three children residing with at least two members of staff at any time, 24 hours of the day. They will attend school and when necessary, if they have to attend other appointments, they will go to the appropriate venues just like any other family. And this will be their family home. This will be their home where they reside, where they are safe and where they can be protected and they can be nurtured. We want to be able to create an environment where they grow and they are encouraged to be part of a community. And that's why we look for a residential home in an area that they deserve to be part of. The home will benefit from being managed by a residential manager who has got 15 years of experience. In the eight years that I've worked with her, I've seen the difference she makes for these children that we have to look after. And finally, I just wanted to say that and to try and give people assurance that the children who need this home are children who need to be protected and they need to be cared for, not because of something they've done, but because of their family circumstances. And they deserve to have the best that we can give them as a local council. And I hope that when you think about this application, you're able to be able to support those children and approve this application. Thank you. Thank you. I'll ask a question but I wonder if you could just confirm the needs and the supervision that these children will get when we've heard and we've read from a large number of objectives living around about who are worried about this facility in their midst and the effect it will have on them and on their families, with children possibly having social behaviour, other things. So how, I'm sure it will be managed properly, but could you explain how that will be managed and also how you will be able to liaise and communicate with neighbours to more get them on side and to understand what's going on? Absolutely. We've spent a lot of time looking at the objections, take them very seriously. We want our children to feel welcomed within the community where they reside. We have a very good track record of actually working very well with the neighbours, you know, because our other children's homes are also in residential areas. They're right there. They're either semi-detached house or detached house in a residential area. And we've worked really hard to make sure that the neighbours and the people around the children's home understand what we're trying to achieve for the children. So the focus age of the children is going to be 11 to 14. They will be in un-care because they can't live with their parents for any number of reasons. This is not a home for youth offending services. It's not a home for youth detention. This is our children that need to be with people who can make sure that they're OK, that they're safe, that they go to school, that they do well at school. We have very experienced residential social workers who will be working with them, who will live with them to make sure that they have the opportunity to have their environment normalised. And what we have alongside them is an expert professional team who they will have access to. We have our therapists, we have our social workers, we have the intervention centre which is a mile away where they will go and they can have contact with their family members in a safe environment. Because one of the things that people were worried about were that families and lots of people would be coming to the home. Actually we do the opposite at children's homes. We make that a secure and sacrosanct place for them so that they feel safe and that they can live in as normal an environment as possible. So they will live with their residential social workers, but when they go and see the other professional network it will be off-site, it will be at other venues, which we do for all our children across our children's homes. Thank you. Questions? Councillor Roberts. I just want to clarify, as far as you're aware, have the other residential homes in Barnet of a similar nature, have they caused problems for local communities? Not at all. Not at all? No. Not at all? So we have two children's homes and they're both six-bed children's homes and then we have another children's home that is a two-bed children's home. We will have some situations where there might be a situation where a child might have a medical condition and then an ambulance might need to be called. We've had that in one of our children's homes. We've had a young person who was quite distressed because of contact with the family and acted out in the children's home but not in terms of damage to neighbours' properties. Kelly. Thank you. In your experience at the other homes that Barnet, sorry, the council operate, have there been instances of children climbing out of first floor windows and escaping? No. Thank you. The staff that work with them are very highly trained. We also match children to the places where they live and the reason why we want to work with a younger group with this children's home is that we don't want to send our young children who can't live at home, we don't want to send them far, you know, 20, 30 miles away from Barnet. We want to keep them within their community. We also know that our schools are incredibly good and are very nurturing to our children so we want to try and keep them at their local schools because that's often very much a safe space for children who are going through trauma. Thank you. Lastly, just one more question. We heard in the objectives that you haven't given any evidence of having looked elsewhere as though you just decided on this place without considering other areas so I wonder if you could just describe the process that went through before we settled on this particular place. Absolutely. So once we received the agreement for capital investment from the council, we went through a series of viewing properties and we've actually, over the period of time, we viewed up to ten different properties. We had to be conscious, first of all, of the public purse because that's my responsibility to make sure that we use the capital investment appropriately and with respect and responsibility so we had a budget, we had to make sure that we bought something that didn't require a great deal of additional work done to it so that when we purchase a property we could actually start using the property quite quickly after purchasing the property. We also wanted to have a look at the area and one of the things that we felt why we wanted to purchase this property is that it's the end of the road, the physical place that is in terms of the corner property, it provides a lot of privacy for the children in the back garden as well as the bedrooms because they are lived after children. It also has a lot of good connections to the other children's homes that will be supporting these children and will be supporting the staff. So it wasn't just, well, here's a house, this is our first choice, let's go, and there was actually quite a lot of consideration and a number of visits to the property by different people before we actually came to the decision to put an offer in. Thank you, anything further? Oh, thank you very much. Any further comments or questions? Otherwise we will go to the vote, officers are recommending this for approval, all those in favour of approval? That's all, this application is approved, thank you very much. And if we can, Councillor Conway is coming back, and we're going to move on to Antian House for a bundle present. Thank you, Chair. So this application relates to Antian House for a bundle present, and the proposal is for a change of use of the existing single family dwelling house to a residential children's care home for free children. This is the site location plan. Just before I carry on with the presentation, I would like to just clarify on page one of the committee report, the relevant site for history relates to Carla House. So there was an application that was submitted this year for Antian House, but there's been some misunderstanding with regards to the address details, so I just want to clarify that there has been no applications for a children's home at Carla House and this was meant to be for Antian House, so I'd like that to be noted. And that was a section 192 application, which is a certificate application, which the applicant sought a deemed consent to say that it would be lawful from C3A to C3B. However, we regarded it as being unlawful because under certificate application, it requires that a residential carer would need to reside at the premises 24 hours, and that should be their living, primary living space. So if that can be noted, please. Thank you. Can you just confirm the previous one that was unlawful? That was for exactly the same. It was exactly the same thing. Yes. Nothing has happened with next door at Carla House. No, there's no applications at Carla House and that is still in single family dwelling house. Thank you. OK, so the existing property is a two story semi-detached four bedroom house. And as I said, the care home would be for three children between the ages of 10 and 17 years of age. So this is the site location and that's the aerial image. So originally this was a detached property and over a period of time it's been subdivided into a pair of semi-detached properties. So the one on the right hand side is Carla House and to the left is the subject property Antion House. Again, site photographs. Members have been out on site visit. So this is the rear elevation and this is the garden. This is the existing and the proposed ground floor plan. So the layout is that there is a reception, one kitchen, dining at ground floor level. And then you have one bedroom and a staff room at first floor level. And then there is two bedrooms within the loft space. So a detailed statement has been provided by the applicant displaying the need for a children's care home as well as detailed schedule of staff and general activities. It's proposed that 10 members of staff will be employed with a maximum of three members of staff at any one time at the premises. So the children will be manned 24 hours a day and between two free shifts changes per day will happen. So most of staff would travel by public transport with the bulk of the children's activities executed internally by staff. We have consulted environmental health, highways officers, NHS and children's services and there have been no objections to the proposed use. Considering its setting as well as information provided by the applicant, the need for a children's care home, albeit at the loss of a residential dwelling, has been identified. The applicant has also confirmed the children's home will house children from Barnet social services. However, their services will also be offered to neighbouring boroughs. The children's care home on balance is considered acceptable in principle and character. With regards to impacts on neighbouring amenity, given the total number of children and staff at any one time, the occupancy level of care home would be the same as that of a residential dwelling house living as one family household, therefore would not result in any over intensification of use of the site. The children's care home would benefit children requiring care. The recommendation is to approve the application. Thank you, chair. We have Stulman Rahman is reading an objection from Jimmy Hakim, I think. Mr Rahman is here. And is there somebody else who wishes to speak on this? Sorry, we have had down here there may be another person, but have we got your name? Is she registered? You're not an objector, you're not registered as a speaker. No, but you haven't put in your objections and said that you're willing to speak, so you're not registered as a speaker, I'm afraid. Jimmy Hakim is registered as an objector and Stulman Rahman is reading his objections. Okay. Is that all right? Is there a difficulty with language or? I have here Mr Rahman is going to speak. As with the previous one, we won't be able to ask your questions because you're speaking on behalf of the objector, Jimmy Hakim. But if you can read his statement, we'll hear that. You have three minutes to read the statement and you'll be given a warning when you have a minute left. Thank you. Yes. Hello, good evening. Thank you very much for giving me a chance to speak. My name is Mr Rahman. I've lived on this random person for 34 years. Jimmy's been my neighbor for 20 years. Mina has been my neighbor for about five, six years now, five years now, you know, we all know each other. It's a nice residential road. The whole road, you know, is single dwelling, single family homes. Yes, I'm for yes. No, Jimmy Hakim. No, no, I'm speaking on behalf of Jimmy Hakim. We've known each other for 20 years. So, you know, very nice road. And the applicants already been using this place as a children's quote children's home for a while now. Right. And it's been an absolute nightmare. You know, a young man has come out of the house, spat on my daughter's car, and she sat there crying, call my son to help her. Right. A young man has come chase my son into our house up to the driveway. You know, the number of time police have come. Right. It's unbelievable. A nice quiet road. It's been a nightmare. There's an alleyway in front of my house. Right. I can see young people from the house, go into the alleyway, buy drugs, go back to the house. One time, a young lady bought some stuff from a dealer into the alleyway that's in front of my house, came and hid behind because they can't take it into the house. She hid behind my car in my driveway. And I have it on CCTV, put foil and put a lighter under it. And I asked my son, what's she doing? And my son said she's doing crack cocaine on our driveway. You know, it's been hell. You know, I don't know what they make out to be. One evening, someone came out of the house and said, we've lost someone. Have you seen this person of such and such a description? She was running up and down the road. You know, people wondering, honestly, the sort of impression they give, you know. You have one minute remaining. Yes. Take this from the last year. It's daily. The police have been there. I've got it in my phone with you every single day. Sorry, don't eat. I know it's around. I can speak. Yes. Sorry. I mean, I said my name is, the police have been there daily. It's a nightmare. People don't have any idea what this means. It's not 10 year old children. It's people bigger than me wandering down the street, you know, at night. They have no control of the situation. You know, I'm living with it. My daughters live with it. My son's been threatened into our house. We're living with it. You know, I don't know what your theories are, but we're living with the reality of it. We didn't pay millions of pounds to live in this street. When we bring this type of people to opposite us, we didn't do that. They can find themselves in our house. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We're not able to speak. You wouldn't live like that. Have you anything more to say on behalf of Mr Hacking? Yeah. He said also it's completely out of character with the road. Okay. Completely. That's time. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. And then we have the applicant, Mr Asefa. No, no, because he was speaking on behalf of the objector, so you can't answer the question. Mr Asefa, would you like to come forward? Again, if you can introduce yourself, then you have three minutes to speak and be given a warning when you have a minute left. Sure. Good evening, everybody. Thank you for having me here. My name is Asefa. I'm the director of the children's home. So I have 10 years of experience in running children's homes. We're an offset regulated good provider. We have probably about five children's homes within London and about 30 other semi-independent placements in and around London, as far down south to up north to Harrow. In regards to the complaints from the gentleman behind the neighbour, we have had no women, no female children in the home, so I'm not sure where they could have come from. So our placements that we've had in the past have been only males. Another incident he mentioned was there were big people adults. We're ASEFA regulated, so we're only allowed to have children within the certain ages that we're permitted to, which is, in our case, 10 to 15-year-olds. So I'm not sure of these incidences. I believe he said his son or somebody was attacked perhaps, or I believe he said somebody was attacked. I've had no police records or incidences or anything like this have come to us. Furthermore, our neighbours directly right next door at the house right next door to us, sorry, excuse me, Carter House, sorry, there are young residents there in a family, two or three sons, and we've had no incidents of them either. That's all I have to say. I'm open for any questions. Questions, Councillor Callick? Yeah, can I just have some clarification? Have you been using this property as a children's home prior to this application? Yes, so prior to this application we have had residents there. And for how long? Probably about a year. Well, I couldn't give you the specific date. I think probably it's going to be January, December 23, January 24. Thank you. Chair? Sorry, Councillor Roberts. Thank you. I think you said you've not had any specific complaints from the police about misbehaviour disruption at this care home. So, what I said was in regards to the attack on the gentleman's son, I believe my understanding was he said his son was attacked or his son was approached, my understanding is what he said, I believe. We've had no complaints in regards to that. We haven't heard anything in regards to that. When we first moved onto the street, we introduced ourselves, I actually did it myself, we introduced myself to my neighbours, myself and my colleague. This is the first two days of moving in. In regards to police, police have been called to the placements in the past by ourselves. I'm not sure if police have been called by neighbours, but police have been called by ourselves and we have had those police cab numbers and this is when we've had to ask the police to move young people and so if any young person has been an issue or concern to the home, we end our placements and ask the police to take them back to social services and that has happened in the past when the child has been a nuisance, no, excuse me, but has caused problems in the home and we have had to, you know, end our contracts. How often has that been the case? That's, I've ended the contract once. Just once? Sorry, twice, twice, two different contracts within that home, yes. So the objector was implying, or seemed to be implying, that this was taking place on a regular basis? So this is, this here was prior six months or seven months, so this is, well, this was up to probably March, February, March and what happened was is we have to do a risk assessment and we decided which type of residence we would like to work with and which type of residence we further don't choose, we don't want to work with, so I'm sure the name was also confirmed. There hasn't been any issues since probably February, March of this year upon our new risk assessment. Mr Barnes? Can I just ask what sort of needs, I mean, it may have changed after your reassessment, but what sort of needs these children do have who you are housing in this property? So moving forward now after our risk assessment, to be clear, so the young people now coming after our risk assessment are typically between 10 and 13 years of age, so once again they're not coming from units, no more secure units, which is where some of them were coming from prior, now it's young people who are not able to live with their parents, have come from domestic violence, domestic violence homes and now taking them in to protect them in in in our homes. That's upon our risk assessment. Okay, Councillor Conway. I'd like to ask you a bit more, so you've been running for about a year, you said, in January the ruling came that this was that you were running amorphously, that you were children's operating, children's home amorphally, but you're still doing it, you haven't ceased between them. So the placements, the placements have been running while the application has been going and we're just waiting for information, because we were told that we should have, to be honest with you, I believe this is the the the application being put on hold by the planner and we was told that we should have got a notification by March gone, so we've just been waiting for the update and only just recently what has been told, it's been pushed the committee now. All right, the application for planning was presented. Yes, yes, because the initial application was was a law for development, was a law for development application, because all our replacements have been law for development, so we had started our law for development application, we were then told that it needs, we need to now go for a full planning application, which we're initially unaware of, which we started and from then we've still been at placement. And are you registered with Ofsted? Yes, we are registered with Ofsted. And what's their view about you, I mean you're probably operating not quite long enough maybe to have an inspection yet, but they must have, you must have had communication with them for your registration, so how's that? So our placements up to now, which are the placements we've now stopped at DOLS, they're DOLS applications, yeah, so on the DOLS applications we were able to run the service without the the application, the Ofsted registration. Quite sure I understand that. My other one is about how you're running it, looking at what you submitted about the activities, the staffing and the activities that are provided. The children who are there seem to be not going to school, but having one hour a day, or is it two hours a day, of educational activity with care staff. So should they not be going to school? What is the situation with the children that you're looking after there? So placements, referrals, excuse me, referrals could come at any time within the year. Academic school would perhaps allow you to come in either September or perhaps in January, so if it's a case where it's in July and we may, let's say for example, if you're taking a referral in July, you can't actually place them until September, so what we do is we would homeschool them until the next entry for schools. Application of the activities that showed them just having educational activity for two hours a day, no schooling, I didn't mention them going to school at all, but they will be going to school. From now they've been registered with schools and they're going to school? So for example, I'll give you a case, so there'll be, for an example, a case would be where a young person may have come during the period, there was no more entries to school, we would then homeschool them until we can get them back into school. What we'll do is calling somebody to come, calling out a tuition to come into the placement and give them tuition within the homes, or activities within the community. Yes, I'm not really clear about all this. What age are the three children, three boys that are there at the moment? Ten to fifteen. Not clear, I'm not sure, but I have no further questions at the moment. Any other questions? Councillor Bond. Would you like me to make anything clear at all? So are these children under 24-hour supervision? Correct, yes. So overnight supervision? Correct, two members of staff. Okay, all right, thank you. Okay, thank you very much. I'm sorry, you're not able to say any more, thank you. If I can ask the officers, if you can clarify about how this, about the operation of this care home, how that reflects on application for planning permission? Well, the operation of the care home is under 24-hour supervision, so there will be, as the gentleman said, two members of staff on the premises throughout day and night. So the children that are in care will be supervised throughout the day and night, basically. I'm not clear that this home is run properly or effectively from what we've heard, but is that something we can take into account in an application for planning or not? Well, as far as we're concerned, it's been running, well, as far as I'm concerned, the application was for proposed use, but it appears, because they say they're providing supervision, although, yeah, that's right, I mean, it appears that the use began when the certificate of application came in, because this application was submitted in January and the certificate was made unlawful in January, so it appears that they've obviously began use back then. But with, I mean, obviously, we wouldn't hear of problems, and we have consulted environmental health, and normally, if there are any issues and complaints from the neighbours, normally they would consult environmental health with regards to unsocial behaviour, but I'm not aware of any unsocial behaviour taking place at the premises. I'm sorry, I can't hear any more from you. Just very briefly, also, the Speaker said it was registered with Ofsted, and so some of the issues you're talking about are potentially Ofsted, the issues that would be reported as regards to management of the home going forward, so your decision tonight relates to any planning issues. So I think you've just answered that, but I've just Googled the Ofsted report on this company, and it requires improvement to be good. Are we saying that we can't take that into account when getting rid of a family, single-dwelling family home on a road, which is generally family, to be taken by a company which, As Ofsted has said, requires improvement to be good? Where does it fall into planning, where does it fall into safeguarding? In my opinion, that doesn't, for example, if it was a school and they needed improving and was at the lot, you wouldn't be refusing the application relating to the school, and it's the same. So I'm not saying it's not an issue, or potential issue, sorry, but it's, as far as I'm concerned, that's for another agency to deal. Yeah, this is where my difficulty comes, because from what we've heard from the Ofsted report, and from the owner and operator of this home, it does appear to be not running very well as a home, and I'm concerned that we give planning permission for operation to a home that isn't running effectively. This is a planning application. It's a planning application, yes. I have concern for the children who live there. And if Brigitte was still here, Director of Children's Services, I think she'll probably say that Barnet would not be placing children in a facility that's only rated as requires improvement. So this is a planning application we're dealing with, and that's it? As I say, we need to decide whether this location is a suitable location for this sort of establishment, and we need to disregard any problems that there may or may not be with the organisation. Sorry, as Councillor Barnes just said, its decision is whether this is a suitable location, or for us. Now, taking into account, can we take into account the occurrences that happened to decide whether this is a suitable location? Yeah, no, sorry. As I said, it is time to off-state, just like it was the education, and I do not think you can. Also, you don't have that evidence in front of you. You've heard from it, and I'm not disputing what was said, but a lot of what was said does not necessarily, or maybe all, relate to the house. That's not a reason for refusal. Those are other issues. Anti-social behaviour can be an issue for the police or other organisations, but it is not necessarily, and I don't think in this case, a planning issue. I think we need to look at the mixed character of the area, and decide whether the change of use would be within keeping with the mixed character. So there are flats and HMOs already existing. It's within very close proximity to public transport, local facilities, the underground station. So the officers consider that this will be in characteristics, although there are residential, but the actual premises will also be used as if it's one single family house, because there wouldn't be any more than six people living together at any one time. So there is no intensification of use of the premises. Thank you. So there's nothing else. We will go to a vote. The officers are recommending approval. All those in favour of approval? Two. Those against? One. Two not voting. So this application is approved. This application has been approved on planning terms. Thank you. Thank you. We have finished with this item. If you heard what was being said, we've carefully considered planning consideration. Thank you. We're going to move on now. The decision has been made. It's now nine o'clock and we're going to move on. I hope you heard from the discussion that you're not. It's five, eight minutes past now. I'm going to take a very brief comfort break for three minutes. Good evening all. Hello. Good evening all. So this application is that Edgware-Hedbury Road proposing variations of condition four related to the levels of a grant of permission for an 18-hole golf course. So the amendments are due to, you know, safety reasons, so they require slight alterations to holes six, eight, nine and 18. So the application outline boundary is this area here. It used to be a mix of arable farmland and now it's, you know, the implement, the grant of permission has been implemented in so far as that ground works and excavation works have taken place. So the scheme is extended. So this is a site photograph facing south, which is in the top portion of the site here where that pond is, if you can see that there. This is facing west towards the A41. Just for context, sorry, the site is bounded by the M1 to the north, Edgware way to the west, facing east. So on the drawings here on the left, this is part of the approved application. On the right is the current proposal. So you can see some slight cosmetic changes, namely the ponds, but there are some level changes that take place across the cross section of the site. I mean, the variations are minor to the degree you can barely distinguish between proposed levels and the approved levels. So the red line at the top of the screen there, that is the proposed and in and amongst it, you can, the approved one is there as well. Variations are minor, but sufficient enough to require planning permission. So this cross section here follows this line across the site. So no changes have taken place to the approved application. So the scheme of the principle of the golf course is acceptable. No changes there, no impacts and neighboring a mean scene. Additional information was required in terms of ecological information, but that's been provided and that will be conditioned to ensure compliance. No objections raised by internal or external consultees. So we are recommending approval subject to a deterioration, which is to basically transfer the legal, the heads of terms, the legal agreement into this current application. So that legal agreement included the travel plan of which the monitoring contribution has already been paid in full, ecological information, which I just mentioned earlier. And alongside that, what is it? It's to ensure, so there was an equestrian business on site and as part of that, they needed to secure a suitable location and an associated lease. So they fulfilled that and have agreed to that to 2029. So as such, we are recommending approval subject to a legal agreement. Does anyone have any questions? Thank you. We have one speaker on this, Robert Husband. Mr Husband is here? No? Therefore the applicant is not here or the agent. So have members any questions or comments to make on this? Otherwise, we will go straight to the vote. The office's recommendation is for approval. All those in favour of approval. That's all. This application is approved. Thank you very much. And the next item is Roman House. Thank you, Chair. The application is for Roman House, which is a four-storey building at 296 Golders Green Road. It's currently in use partly as offices, but also as a health medical facility run by HCA Healthcare in conjunction with the Wellington Hospital, whose main base is in St. John's Wood. The proposal is a part four, part five-storey side and rear extension to continue the medical use as an additional storey on top of the existing building together with associated works. So this is the location plan. So this is the North Circular up here. So it's one of the first buildings on the left as you come away from the North Circular. This is the building here. Backs onto these blocks of flats at James, close to the rear here. And Riverside is a block of flats on this side. Opposite, there's a redevelopment to provide a new synagogue. And then this is 125 Princes Parade, which has also got planning permission for redevelopment up to four or five storeys. The site here is the site of 290294 Golders Green Road, which has permission for development of 111 flats. As far as I'm aware, work has not yet started on that scheme. So as you can see, the context are, as we saw on site yesterday, four-storey buildings are the norm in the area. So here we go, this is Riverside Drive here. Block of flats, that's the North Circular. And this is the front view of the existing house. And these are the blocks at St. James Court to the rear. Along here, you'll see this treed verge at the rear of the site. That's the decoy brook. And in fact, that part of the site lies within flood zone three. These are some site photographs here. So this is the entrance of the site. This is the building, car park, and this is the relationship to Riverside Drive flats. And that's a view from inside the site, looking to the rear. Photograph of the front showing existing disabled parking spaces. And a view from standing in the rear, looking back up towards Golders Green Road. As you can see, the site slopes from south to north. That's the current entrance. And that's the rear context, looking back up towards Golders Green Road. This is the building. And then this is Riverside Drive. You can see number of windows and balconies which serve those blocks of flats. This is the existing elevation. This is just an example of or image of the approved development next door, which I say hasn't yet commenced. But you can see the relative scales of the adjoining sites. That's the side elevation facing Riverside Drive. And the rear elevation with the brook at the back. The existing lower ground floor, which has got accommodation towards the rear here. And the parking area, this shows you Decoy Brook. And that existing treed verge, which provides a buffer zone to the brook. And the existing ground floor, first and second, third and fourth floors. And the roof plan. So the proposed building. So this is the additional floor, which would be put on top of the existing building. Then this is the four-storey extension to the side, which also wraps around to the rear. But again, you can see it would step up from the property on the left-hand side at Riverside, but would still be lower than the approved development next door. So this would be the side elevation facing Riverside Drive. It's easier to see from the floor plan, but the actual side extension here is set back from the front of the building. So it has a more subservient appearance from the front. These windows here would all be obscure glazed. There's no possibility of overlooking of the Riverside Drive flats and balconies. This is the rear elevation that you see from James Close, although there is a quite significant tree screen along the back boundary here. This is the proposed lower ground. So this is the existing building here. And this is the proposed lower ground, which has sort of service accommodation. It's also going to have below, if I go up to ground floor, the car parking area, which is going to be on a raised deck at the back to try and minimize digging and foundations within the buffer zone alongside the brook. But the ground floor, obviously, for the main building here, the new accommodation, and then the parking area and the servicing arrangements to serve the new building. So in terms of appearance and design, this is the original, quite an unusual shaped building. This is mirrored in the new building to try and articulate this elevation. So it's not just a blank elevation, sort of similar recessed areas and cut-ins have been accommodated as on the existing building. So this is the proposed first and second floor. Similarly, this is the third floor and a void area is retained out here between the two buildings. And this is the fourth floor. And then as we go up to the top level, there's that new fifth floor. Sorry, that's the fifth floor, which is on the existing building only. The new extension to the side and rear is up to four floors. So this is a CGI. So the red brick is the existing building. This is the new building, which would be in a buff brick, so a bit of a contrast. As I said, it's set back from the front elevation, so it appears more subordinate to the main house rather than bringing it up, the main building, rather than bringing it up in line with the front elevation. And this area here is that additional story to be built on top of the existing building. And the two roof elements will be bronze, zinc, clad, and that will tie the two buildings together at roof level. And that's another CGI, as you see from Golders Green Road on the opposite side of the road. Again, showing the unbuilt development next door to this side and the existing riverside flats to this side. And that's a view of the side extension. So the key considerations are that the building is lawfully in use for medical and healthcare use. It's essentially a diagnostic and a centre providing outpatient facilities, physiotherapy, cardiology, various services. It's obviously run privately, but takes a lot of patients from the Wellington Hospital in St. John's Wood. This is effective. There's a kind of outpatient department, so there's no A&E, there's no acute services here, no ambulances or anything like that going in and out. It's just for outpatient appointments. There's no loss in commercial floor space, obviously, and there's no proposed in principle objection to increasing the floor space for this much needed facility. One of the other opportunities it creates is to relocate a very local NHS GP surgery from Finchley Road who have outgrown their building and need to relocate. They can be accommodated in this building. And it would also accommodate the increased demand for the services provided by the centre as set out by the Wellington Hospital in letters of support for the application. The side extension is set back, set down, appears subordinate, although obviously it's a large extension, it does appear subordinate in scale to the existing building when seen from the road frontage. There are no extensions on the side of the building adjacent to Golders Green, building next door at 290. The side extension is set away by a minimum of 15.7 metres at ground floor, extending up to 17 on the upper floors from Riverside Drive, which provides, officers consider, provides adequate separation between those buildings so as to maintain outlook for Riverside Drive residents. And at the rear, there's a buffer of nearly 18 metres between the proposal and nearest building at Jane's Close. Sunlight and daylight report was submitted, which shows negligible or very insignificant impacts to a very small number of windows, particularly at Riverside Drive, but not considered to be, have caused significant detriment to the light experienced by those residents. If I can just draw members attention to the addendum, which contains the original recommendation one, which requires a legal agreement for travel plan contributions, review of CPZ contributions, which have been recommended by the highways officers and also a carbon offset contribution. Thank you. Thank you. We have one speaker on this, Daniel Austin, if you'd like to turn your microphone on, there's a picture of the face. If you can introduce yourself, you have three minutes to speak. You'll be given a warning when you have one minute left. Yes, I'm Daniel Austin. I've lived at five James Close for the last 32 years. So I've got quite a good memory of the developers. This is not a new issue. The developers think developers have been trying their utmost to develop the land as much as possible and put up the biggest possible building they can get away with. From my flat at the rear of the building, the proposed site, it's five James Close, I will lose probably about two hours of sunshine into my flat during the summer. During the winter, the sun doesn't get high enough. Together with the development proposal of 292 Golders Green Road, there will be what would look like a complete overdevelopment and a brick wall around the semicircular site of James Close. I'm also worried that the development intrudes on the brook, which is subject to flooding, decoy brook. There is a legal covenant whereby the developers are not allowed to develop within two to three meters of the top of the bank, not the water, the top of the bank of the brook, because our block of flats sold the land to the current developers some decades ago. If you look back through the history of Roman House developments, you'll know that we've basically been opposing their developments and proposals for the last 25 years, certainly since, well, in my memory. I'm also old enough to remember, I've lived long enough to remember the original residents told me some time ago that the top floor of Roman House and the unusual shape of Roman House, which was alluded to by the planning officer, is due to the fact that when they were given permission to put up Roman House, the developer or the owner simply ignored the three-story proposal. It was originally meant to be three stories, Roman House. They simply ignored all the council prohibitions and went and stuck another fourth story on top of the building. I don't object completely to the development, actually. I've used a Wellington House, I've actually used the services in there. I'm just worried about the fact that it encroaches on the brook. That's time, thank you. And if they could just move it back a bit, thanks. Any questions, Councillor Conway? The report mentions that a daylight sunlight overshadowing report has been undertaken and that is negligible. Any losses negligible? Well, nobody's contacted me and there's been nobody on my balcony or on my neighbour's balconies, as far as I'm concerned. The report only mentions Riverside Drive, it doesn't mention the developer, the developing officers, I don't think has visited James Close and she hasn't mentioned loss of light or James Close. You've mentioned at the moment you only get two hours sunlight during the winter. I don't get any sunlight in winter because the sun's too low. Right, so this is going to make things worse, you're saying? Well, in summer and I keep a lot of flowers on my balcony, truthable as it may be, but it is nice to have the sun at least for six months of the year, March to September shining into my room. Can you show us exactly where you are? I've got two blocks there. Have you got a pointless stick? Yeah, not that block, the next block, that's it and I'm facing south west towards Roman House and I've seen all the... Which floor are you on? I'm on the first floor at the rear, not the ground but the first floor. Facing that way? Facing south west, yeah, so it will go, I look right at Roman House. There's a brook and a lot of trees and greenery between but you still think that that's going to impact on you? Yeah, and on the gardens of James Close. I've no real objection to the development other than the fact that it just needs to be shifted back a bit. Okay, thank you. Thank you very much. Then we have the agent of Lewis Westhoff. Thank you Mr Westhoff and again if you can introduce yourself, you have three minutes to speak and we'll give you a warning when you have one minute left. Yeah, my name is Lewis Westhoff, I'm the planning agent and I work at a company called Icini Projects. Firstly, thank you all for your time. I'm absolutely delighted to speak this evening in support of this planning application for Roman House. It's been a privilege to work on this project with the applicant, the wider design team and most importantly with officers throughout the council through a very detailed pre-application process and assessment process and this is Colmette and us being here this evening to discuss a project that we're all really enthusiastic about and one that if it's granted planning commission will deliver a significant number of planning benefits, particularly to the health and well-being of the local community. The applicant of this project is Mr David Rosenberg. He's a local resident and business owner and has really made it his personal mission to see Roman House become a medical facility and centre of excellence. He's been working very closely with the principal tenant HCA Healthcare or the Wellington Hospital, as officers mentioned, to expand and operate their diagnostic centre on site since 2006. It's now a real success story and it's done some great things for the local community throughout COVID and again and it's great that they wish to stay on site in the future and his passion and drive is really why we're here this evening. The proposal that we've prepared will really cater for the long-term needs of the Wellington Hospital on site. It'll provide some fit-for-purpose modern space but more importantly, as officers mentioned too, it'll enable Dr Adler to relocate on site as well and provide them with some real purpose-built facilities as well and ideally that's going to be closer to his existing catchment of patients. So the scheme we've designed will cater for both public and private services and we see this as a scheme. It's going to benefit all walks of the community but it's not only these great benefits that the scheme will deliver. We've also sought to go above and beyond in many other ways in terms of planning policy. You have one minute remaining. Thank you. We're delivering an architectural approach that is context-driven with high quality materials and the use of appropriate setbacks and design measures to protect the immunity of our neighbours. We have done a detailed daylight sunlight report that has considered James close both with this scheme and the extant scheme next door. We're retaining all trees on site and complementing this with 65 new trees, shrubs and other planting to improve biodiversity and ecology outcomes on site. We're delivering an open greening factor of 0.43 and a biodiversity net gain in excess of 12%. We've also thought about the immunity of our closer neighbours on Riverside Drive. We've looked at providing some obscure glazing on those windows too to ensure an appropriate relationship is there and parking's obviously been another consideration too and we've delivered a parking quantum on site that's specifically based on the proposed operation of the facility and we're also providing dedicated pick-up and drop-off facilities at the front of the site too. That's time, thank you. Thank you. I'm happy to answer any other questions you have. Okay, thank you. One of the concerns from this objection and from others who've written in is about the brook, being so close to the brook. So I wonder if you could comment on the effects of that and the motivation of any flooding risk. Yeah, so we've worked very closely with some engineers from Davies Maguire and they've been engaging very closely with the local lead flood authority on that. We specifically engage with them during the pre-application process because that rear 20% of the site is flood zone 3 which was mentioned before too. We've been very careful about what sort of works would happen at the rear of the site too and one of the things that the LLFA told us to do was to ensure that we have a five meter buffer zone which you can see in this image here which is denoted by that sort of red hatch. So all of our buildings at that lower ground floor or ground floor if you're at the rear of the site is set back from that buffer zone and I think one of the other real positives of this scheme too is we've designed a really excellent sub-scheme on site too. So we've really thought about how we can control surface water runoff and ensure that flood risk on other properties will be improved. So we've got a series of attenuation tanks which you can see there with that sort of blue hatched area in the car park there. We've got blue roofs, green roofs and additional landscaping too and it will actually deliver 92% betterment than the current situation on site in terms of flood risk and runoff so that's something that we're very proud of. So there is a five meter buffer zone. We heard there should be three meters but there is five meters. That's correct yeah and we've sort of verified that through some detailed survey information as well so we're very confident about that. And then I note that for Riverside Drive you have all of the obscure glazed windows on that side so it's not going to affect if that's in Riverside Drive. But the rear there, as you've seen from James Close, especially with the new block that's going up at some point next door whenever they get back to carrying out their planning commission, it does look as though it's going to be enclosing and affecting James Close a lot so one of you comment a bit more on that. Yeah well I mean we've thought very closely about James Close and all of our neighbours really in designing the scape so I think the closest point which is the sort of the real sort of pointy end of James Close is about 17.7 meters in terms of separation distances and I think it's about 21 meters to the closest balcony so there is quite a large I suppose separation already if you sort of measure it on plan but I think members you've all been on on site as well it is a very very dense and verdant green buffer that will be retained as well so there is that that natural separation that's there. Daylight sunlight's been very very important as well as we mentioned we've really thought carefully about how the scheme can how we can optimize the scheme whilst protecting the amenity so as I said we did a detailed report for James Close in particular considering just this scheme in isolation but also with the scheme next door at 290 to 294 and it achieved 100% BRE compliance so we think that the scheme has a very appropriate relationship with James Close to the rear and the amenity of those residents and the gentleman that spoke earlier will be will be retained. Where are the new trees you can be planting because we're taking some down along that bank presumably. Yep so yeah so a combination really I think perhaps if so there's a couple of things if you allow me to indulge you too in terms of what we what we did in some of the early iterations so the car parking deck that sort of runs along the western boundary we previously proposed to continue that at grade but if we wanted to provide new surface in there it would have unfortunately meant those trees along the boundary would have to be removed because those routes would be impacted so we came up with an engineering solution to to kind of keep that that ramp going and all of those trees can be retained so by doing that there's been the ability to plant some additional trees along along that boundary. Along the rear of the site as well there's some existing kind of shrubs that would be sort of removed and replaced and retained there'd be some additional planting along the eastern boundary and I think maybe if we're able to get a CGI up to lots of new landscaping along the frontage of the site too so the current front of the site is is pretty poor it has sort of bins there and quite an ugly gate so we've actually designed a nice sort of hard and soft landscape frontage there to the to the site too so yeah so we've sort of maximized as much as we can and and on the roofs as well where we've been able to we've provided green roofs and blue roofs as well and also managed to squeeze some PV panels on there too. A couple of us were wondering about what's a blue roof, you know what a green roof is, so what's blue? So it's a very good question, the way it was I'm not an engineer but the way it was explained to me was you've effectively got a green roof which probably you're all aware of too and underneath that was almost kind of like an eggshell type not so an egg carton type situation so that sits on the roof and then the the green roof sits on top so when the water slowly filters through the green roof it then sits in kind of the if you imagine your carton of eggs with the eggs out the water would sit there and that would kind of slow the release of water leaving the site so it's very it's very it's very you know it's a very interesting kind of model too and I've been told it really helps with the thermal performance of buildings too because axe is a bit of a an additional kind of insulation layer too. I'm wondering if it was a lake or a swimming pool on the roof or something. A bit more engineering in it than that. Yes the final question, is there something about GP surgery using it? Is this going to be an IHS GP surgery and has has an agreement been you don't have to say which surgery it is but yes has that been? Yes so yes I'm happy to sort of mention it too so Dr Adler sort of is about half a mile away on Finchley Road, he's in a converted semi-detached house with no disabled access, no pick-up drop-off facilities or anything like that whatsoever so as part of this scheme as I mentioned the applicants got a good relationship sort of locally too and we're providing space within the scheme for them to relocate here so they'll now have the proper modern facilities, disabled access, proper pick-up and drop-off for those who need to get here and it would also remain in a within walking distance for the majority of patients and there was a bit of a straw poll that was done by Dr Adler too and I've been told that the majority of the patients would actually live closer to Roman House and the current Finchley Road site. It's going to have a community benefit very much as well, thank you very much. Yes any further questions? Sorry I've been asking a lot, no thank you very much. Any further comments, questions, the officers? No if we go to the vote on that one then the officers recommendations for approval all those in favour of approval that's all that application is approved. I'll try and do at least one more before we say we're going to move on so the next one is one definitely closed see if we can start by 10 o'clock and move on. Thank you chair. This item relates to number one definitely close it's part of the Dolice Valley redevelopment site which is complete. The proposal is for shall I carry on? The proposal is for part single part two storey rear extension. The members have also been out on the site visit. This is the site location plan and this is the aerial photograph of when the development was actually under construction. Unfortunately google images don't give us the complete development as it's fairly new. This is the proposed block plan and that's where the extension is going so this is the house that's the site. This is Brent Place on the right hand side and Aphrodite Court apartments to the left. Site photographs this is facing onto Brent Place. This one again faces onto Brent Place. Brent Place is sited at a higher level and the application site is at a lower level. This is the rear elevation of the property and this is the front elevation of the property. So there's more site photographs so we have Aphrodite Court Apartments which is the fair distance away from the boundary of the application site and again this is the sort of facing to the rear part of Aphrodite Court Apartments and same with this. So these are the existing and proposed ground floor plans so that's the existing and the proposal is to extend 3.8 meters deep and across 15.9 meters wide which is across the whole width of the property with a flat roof design approximately 3.2 meters high. This is the first floor planned. This is the existing and the first floor again would be 3.8 meters deep and it's 5.3 meters wide. Existing and proposed rear elevations. This is where the first floor extension is. It's 5.9 meters to east side and it's approximately 6.4 meters to the overall pitch. The officers have consulted with the design team and is the view of the officers that the design of the proposal relates well to the existing dwelling house. There has been objections where Brent Place has sort of objected with regards to overlooking and loss of privacy. There is a new window that's been proposed within the first floor elevation facing Brent Place. However, yes this is the elevation that faces onto Brent Place. There is an existing window that's facing Brent Place and as I said earlier on the sighting of Brent Place is at a higher level and this is the lower level so there would be no overlooking and the existing window is already there. There's no overlooking from that so the actual proposed window would go in the flank elevation of the first floor first floor extension. Okay, it is noted that there has been a tree that's been felled which was part of the original development which was considered to be kept. However, unfortunately that's been felled but there is a condition that's attached to this permission if the members are minded to approve the application this evening that there is a condition will be attached for replacement planting an appropriate size the tree will be planted in the rear garden to replace what's been lost basically. So just to run through the powerpoint slide proposed side elevations and this is the additional window that's looking towards the second floor. That's looking towards Brent Place that's the existing so there will be no additional adverse overlooking impacts to those residential properties cited on Brent Place. Okay, so just to summarize the overall design works well with the main house which the main house is of a modern alternative nature. It's considered that it would add architectural interest to the rear renovation by having a pitch roof. The extension would be suited for distance by 4.3 meters from the boundary of numbers 38 and 38A Brent Place which are as I said on a higher level thus it would not lead to a loss of light or overshadowing or overlooking and a car park courtyard buffer zone measuring at least 10.6 meters would separate between the proposal and aphrodite to court apartments with views towards them through the proposed first of all window achieved at limited oblique angles. The officers recommend approval subject to conditions. Thank you. Thank you. We have one speaker Mr. Correa. No it's not here or the agent Ankit Patel. Mr. Patel if you could switch the microphone on there's a button with a face on it. It's difficult to see it. Oh of course sorry. If you can introduce yourself you have three minutes to speak and we'll let you give it a warning when you have one minute left. All right sure thank you. Good evening. Before I move to the main topic of this rear extension I would just like to clarify one thing about the tree. The tree was removed after getting permission from council. Once we had the go ahead. So I was talking about the tree which was removed which is the main cause of comments which received the objections. Now the tree was removed after getting the permission from the council. Now many of the complaints they think that it was removed to make space for this rear extension but that was not the case. The tree was already faltering and in December last year one of the branches no clues and it was almost fell on the shoulder of his son was playing in the garden. That's when the owners decided to get rid of the tree. Now coming back to the extensions well I don't have much to say as you have said about the elevations and the distance from the proposed extension to the to the adjacent flats. You can see that the proposal it harmonizes nicely with the existing elevations. The extension by no means hinders anyone's light or view. Yeah so that's it nothing more if you have any questions. Well thank you any questions? No thank you very much. Any further questions or comments the officers? No should we go to the vote then the officer's recommendations for approval all those in favor of approval that's all that application is approved. We have two items left and it's five to ten. The constitution says that these meetings should finish at ten but I'm authorizing that we can go on until a maximum of ten thirty. So the next item is 811 High Road. Hi good evening so I'm here to present an application for change of use of retail unit into new restaurants and one smaller retail unit at 811 High Road. So the application side concerns the ground floor commercial unit of a three-story building formerly occupied by Flying Tiger. The application site is within the town center is designated as primary retail frontage. The application site is also identified as a retail zone in the North Finchley town center framework. So here's the site photo showing the front, rear and internal. So following the committee members visit on the 2nd of September it was observed that the dividing wall has been erected inside the proposed restaurant which appeared to have subdivided a unit. The applicant has confirmed that this wall will be removed in the event of approval. So members are minded that there is a format position on the previous approved scheme to simplify the existing Class E into two Class E units in which the principle of the development is considered acceptable. Therefore the key considerations is that for this application is the impact of the proposed restaurant with the re-adducting in terms of characters, neighbors amenities, highway and waste management. So this is the layout and the proposed proposal will lead to the subdivision of the existing 160 square meter unit into two smaller units of 47 square meter supermarket and a 55 square meter restaurant. And this is the front elevation and the short alterations to the short front is deemed acceptable. And the adducting would be placed on the southern block of the building where the red arrow is and it's 1.5 meter taller than the ridge line but it's quite a 25 meter away from the front facade which is not quite feasible and therefore the adducting would not look disproportionately in scale massing and design. So the impact on neighbors amenities. So it is noted that the adducting would be located near to the residential flats above but our environmental health offices has viewed the noise impact assessment and the order management plan and it was deemed acceptable subject to conditions. And it's also the opening hours of the shops and the restaurant would be controlled and there would not be any seating arrangement for the restaurants. So therefore we just want to reiterate that we have got a follow-up position on the previous approved schemes and we noted that there's a lot of concerns related to the introduction of hot food takeaway and that would lead to unhealthy diet but this proposal is not for hot food takeaway as it will fall into a sui generis use class and if they would like to have hot food takeaway they have to submit a further plan application for it. So therefore the application is recommended for approval subject to conditions. Thank you. Do you have one speaker? Oh no it's just the applicant. No objectives. The applicant are all there Sam. If you can turn the microphone on there's a face image. Can you see the face? That's it. That's one. Introduce yourself and you have three minutes to speak and you'll be given a warning when you have one minute left. Hi my name is Arun Nesan. I'm the owner and director of Bus Periperi Limited. This application was originally filed back in December then it was requested for withdrawal due to the application wouldn't be successful but then we reapplied with all the recommendation from the council being modified and in terms of the extraction ducting the ductings will only have outer layer the there will be no noise there as the silencer will be installed and there will be no any pollutions or any sort because there will be filters and everything which will be installed inside the shop and so there will be no mess no noise any any disturbance to neighbors in any way as well as in terms of the food the business is proposed for a healthy periperi grilled food not there's not any oil involved in terms of the side of it just a healthy alternative food for the high street and this business approval will provide at least 15 to 20 jobs for the locals and yep and the approval means it's good for the community and then the area there's no harm in any way for any any reason and thank you for the opportunity and i'm happy to answer any questions thank you any questions no it was it was very useful having the site that yesterday and seeing what's being done there so i think we we saw a lot of what we need to see thank you very much thank you um can i can i just confirm with you when you say no takeaway i mean it's mostly a restaurant to sit down and eat restaurant but they will be doing takeaway as well that's that's allowed so when we consider restaurant normally they will do take away but we've got seating so uh the premises would be majority providing uh seats for customers that's why we were not considered as a hot food takeaway and also the the um condition seven about it should have no seating arrangement we were told verbally that meant seating outside on the pavement rather than inside right correct that'll be clarified it's not it's not clear um correct i think the conditions could be amended uh as external out um seatings that could be amended yeah thank you i think that needs to be clear thank you any further questions or comments no then we'll go to the vote on that one the offices recommend approval all those in favor that's all that application is approved and we now go to the last item 138 high road hi um so i'm here to present the application at 138 high road for the conversion of existing building into three self-contained units flats including first and second floor extension so previous application were refused at the committee for the conversion of existing building into three units already but this scheme is currently cut at the the previous refusal scheme is currently contested at appeal and this resubmission has reduced in size and number of total occupants which would be discussed at later section so this application site is on the eastern side of the high road near a junction of the lestus road and is within east finchley world the property is comprised of a commercial use for a Thai restaurant formerly and now it's vacant so this is the existing and proposed block plan and some aerial photos and site photos internally and externally so this is the site product taken on the first floor on the neighbors to the right which is number one three six eight and um offices were not able to gain access to what our number one three six b on the second floor but this photo was extracted from the previous application and looked at that number one three six a and b were not considered a fully functioned self-contained unit as they shared a communal bathroom so there are two reasons that was refused at the committee previously is due to the character and impacted neighbors and also failed to enter a legal agreement to mitigate the highways and car parking impacts of the proposed development so i'm here to um try to compare the two schemes so previously um there is two number of two-bedroom three-person units eight person in total and now the current scheme would be uh providing for three one-bat two-person units which leave about six person so this is the comparison between on the ground floor and the existing one the previous refusal one and the current scheme so that's not much of the changes on the ground floor level but on the first floor you can tell there's a set in by two meter on the side and the rebuilding line is project up to the one aligned to number one four zero and this rooftop roof level is the same set in from by two meter on the side and aligned to the boundary of 140 and no changes to the front compared to the previous refusal scheme but you can tell from the rear the size and um it's significantly reduced and this is the section plan comparison so um officers are considered that the proposal has reduced in size and depth and numbers of occupants and that um there are dual expect nature of the kitchen in the first floor flat and on balance that that would be fine as acceptable level of outlook and light to the neighbors and in terms of the previous concern on poor amenity for the occupants it's noted that that's um the first floor and second floor internal space are measured 55 square meter which is five square meter more than the required internal space so plus there's no existing um accommodation which has benefited from outdoor amenities space therefore uh on balance we find that um this application is recommended for approval subject to conditions thank you thank you we have no speaker on here on this one but there's just the agent mr hill thank you again if you can turn the microphone on there's a place and then introduce yourself you have three minutes to speak and be given a warning when you have one minute left um my name is chris i'm a senior architectural designer working at dpa architects the agent for the plan application i'd like to thank the chair for giving me the opportunity to address you this evening as explained by the plan officer this application seeks to extend and partially convert this building and thereby create three self-contained one bedroom flats under these proposals part of the existing ground floor restaurant would be retained but only as class e to use as a sort of suitable small retail union while preparing the second application we listen carefully to the concerns and specific requests raised by your officers alongside those arising out of public consultation we then went on to amend design to suit these concerns and requests the goal of these amendments was to address these concerns to provide additional information as appropriate the outcome of the process of collaboration with the council is a scheme which addresses all the local national plan policies and which will deliver new homes in the borough whilst at the same time safeguarding the amenities of the occupiers of the neighboring flats in terms of design as noted within the plan officer's report the extension would be in keeping with the previously approved extensions to the other properties adjacent in response to the concerns raised by neighboring residents the planning officer an assessment of daylight and sunlight was undertaken which confirmed there would be no loss of light to the residents within 140 high road the main amendment to the previous scheme was to reduce the width of the gap between our proposed rear extension and 136 and 136b as the plan officer's report notes the separation between the proposed flats and the commercial yoga studio to the rear is such that there'll be no material harm to the amenity plan officers given responses to public consultation comments in addition to those responses i would like to point out that should planning permission be granted development will proceed in accordance with other relevant areas of legislation including the party wall act building regulations this will provide additional safeguards relevant to concerns raised including matters such as sewage means of access erection scaffolding and dust control confirmed the applicant is content to accept the terms of proposed recommendation to grant plan commission he's happy to comply with the proposed section 106 agreement which will fund measures necessary to prevent future occupiers of the scheme from using parking bays within the controlled residence parking zone he's also happy to comply with all the other drafted planning conditions the applicants asked me to use this opportunity to explain the history of the site and the reasons for this development the building was purchased by the applicant's father in the late in the 1960s it's always been difficult shop to lease due to its size as well as the inclusion of the upper floors many businesses have struggled to survive in this location the last two businesses failed due to the fact the upper floors included within the lease can only be accessed through the shop and they're therefore unable to be utilized the applicants aim is not to maximize the value of the cyber cramming in as many flats as possible but many to make this site work a smaller number of flats a smaller more easily less will shop will allow this building to remain in the family into the future will bring back to life what is at the moment essentially a dilapidated shell of a building whilst at the same time supplying high quality accommodation that's time thank you thank you if you can wait see if there's any questions no no questions thank you uh any questions the officers or comments i'd like to comment i'm i'm the ward councillor for this one and i was also on the committee that refused the last application so looking at this application there's certainly an improvement to taking it away from 136 although there is still some effect i think on the windows especially the top window but i am still concerned about the ground floor the extension on the ground floor which means that there's very little space at the back and i think that's that's just uh congested and overdeveloped at the back so i'm inclined to say that this is still an overdevelopment of this site that's my opinion anybody else wants to say anything could you clarify the space between the end of the building and the boundary wall the distance right thank you for your question so and you could tell um the the the rear building line is actually having two to three point seven meter away from the oh sorry yeah sorry i was using my own mouth but yet this bit is about 3.7 meter deep and this um rear building line they have a two meter gap so in total the real um amenity space is 15 square meter which comfort comfortably exceed the london plan requirement thank you thank you there's no more comments or questions we'll go to the vote on that one the officer's recommendation is for approval all those in favor of approval there's four and against one the application is approved and that's it at ten past ten not too bad that's all the agenda for tonight thank you very much
Transcript
Good evening everybody. It's gone seven o'clock so we're going to start the meeting now. I'm
Councillor Claire Farrier and I'm Chair of this planning committee. Thank you all for
attending this evening and I will ask all members of the committee to introduce themselves,
followed by the planning officers and the legal officer and governance. As I say, I'm
Councillor Claire Farrier, I'm a Councillor for East Finchley Ward and I chair the committee.
So if you can, Councillor Barnes, you can start. Good evening, I'm Councillor Richard
Barnes. Good evening, I'm Councillor Tim Robertson, Underhill Ward. Good evening, I'm
Councillor Moin Colin, Collindale South Ward. Good evening, Councillor Joshua Conway, Hendon
Ward. And there is one more member who has not arrived yet, Councillor Simberg, hopefully
will be here shortly, but he's missing the meeting. We've gone to the officers. Good
evening, John Sperling, Senior Planner. Good evening, I'm Heidi Oskar, Planning Manager.
Edie Flohr, Senior Planner. Good evening, I'm Leslie Feldman, Planning Manager. Good
evening, I'm Andrew Turner, Senior Planner. Good evening, everybody, I'm Jimmy Walsh,
the legal advisor to the committee. Good evening, we ask that you remain seated throughout the
meeting unless you are called to the table to speak on any particular item. Please note
that this meeting is being recorded and it's being broadcast and this is allowed for in
normal by the Council. So by attending, either in person or those who are attending online,
you may be picked up on recordings. Council recordings are covered by our privacy notice
and that can be found on the website at bonnet.gov.uk. The way this works is that I will ask the
Planning Officer to present each item, following which each speaker will have three minutes
to put their case to the committee and the Governance Officer will inform you when you
have one minute left and then we ask you to stay because we may have questions to ask
you, following which we'll have a discussion in the committee and then determine whether
we approve or not of the application and this will be announced to you. We'll explain when
you come to the table. If you haven't been here before, if you come to the table, there's
a button to turn the mic on, it's like a face with speech signs coming out of it. If there's
more than one microphone at a time, we sometimes get feedback, so let me ask you to turn the
microphone off when you finish speaking. Right, so a slight change on the agenda. The first
item will be, as is on the agenda, the land of 49 and 51 Burystd Avenue and then we're
going to hear item 12 on the agenda, 61 Finchley Lane and then 49 St. James's Avenue and then
Antion House. I hope that makes sense to everybody here to speak on those. Now, with regard to
item 8, St. James's Avenue, this is an application really by Barnet Council for a children's
for a new children's home. So, of course, we are members of the council, all people
on the committee members of the council. As members of the council, we are all in the
position of corporate parents to children who are in care with Barnet. And we have a
duty to support our looked after children. Two of us are also on the corporate parent
advisory in groups. We were aware that this premises had been purchased, but we had no
say in the decision about that. We were just informed about it. So just to assure you that
we are all approaching this with an open mind, we will hear the presentations. We've read
the relevant information and we'll make our decision based on that. So is that all right
with everybody in the committee? Did you want to say anything else, Councillor Conway? That
one? OK. Right. So we go on to absence of members. Council Greenspan is being substituted
by Councillor Stenberg, who, as I say, has not quite come yet. Any other declaration
of interests? No. No dispensations granted by the monitoring officer. An addendum to
the agenda was published this afternoon. I think everybody has had a chance to see that.
The minutes of the last meeting, the first item on the agenda. Have we all read and agreed
the minutes? Yep. I'll just sign the minutes. And then we go straight on to the first item,
which is the land at 49 and 51 Beresford Avenue. The officers could present that item. Good
evening, councillors. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. First of all, can I just confirm
that everyone's able to hear me? Yeah. Excellent. So good evening. I'll be presenting land at
49 and 51 Beresford Avenue. The application is for the reserve matters application in
respect of details relating to landscaping pursuant to condition three attached to planning
permission for the demolition of part of number 51 Beresford Avenue and the erection of six
semi-detached dwellings on land at 49 and 51 Beresford Avenue. This is the location
and an aerial image showing the site. Just some relevant case history. The application
was applied for concerning outline planning permission for landscaping reserved for the
demolition of part of number 51 Beresford Avenue and the erection of six semi-detached
dwellings. The application was initially refused at planning committee B, but then later the
decision was overturned at appeal in January 2024. Members should note that all other matters,
including design, access, appearance and parking were agreed and approved at the outline stage.
So condition three of the appeal decision, which was written by the planning inspectorate,
set out in a relatively good level of detail what needed to be provided to discharge condition
three relating to the reserve matters. I can come back to this slide later, but I'll just
leave it here for a second. The description of the development for the current application
is the reserve matters in respect of details relating to landscaping pursuant to condition
three attached to the planning permission for the demolition of 51 Beresford Avenue.
Following amendments and additional information, the council's highway officer and arbor culture
officer were satisfied with the scheme. This is the approved site layout as part of the
appeal decision. This is the proposed landscape plan at its fifth revision. To conclude the
key considerations and recommendations, for the proposed hard and soft landscaping, for
the discharge of condition three of appeal decision at appeal, it fully complies with
the explicit requirements of the condition and if fully implemented, will represent a
very high quality hard and soft landscaping scheme, which were effectively the words of
the arbor culture officer for the London Borough of Barnet. Following amendments and additional
information, the arbor culture officer and the highways officer for the council were
satisfied and network rail also confirmed that they have no objections to make. All
other matters have been approved and subject to certain conditions and to be applied for
and discharged prior to the commencement of development on site. This application is recommended
for approval and open handed back. Thank you. Thank you. I have two speakers for this. Jim
Fraser and Kirsty Fraser. Mr and Mrs Fraser here. If you'd like to come forward. As I
said, take a seat and turn your microphone on. You can see a button with a picture of
a face on it. That's it. You have three minutes to speak and we'll give you notice when you
have one minute left. And after that, we may have some questions to ask you. OK, that's
over to you. OK. We challenge the recommendations made by the planning officer. Also, we have
consistently criticised the planners for inflating the number of people they claim to have consulted.
Now, without evidence, we are accused of the same. The report falsely alleges that the
residents of 37 and 47 have inflated the objection numbers. We refute this baseless attempt to
discredit us. We notice that the author of the report is here and I was invited now to
apologise. Mr Turner, will you apologise? You made allegations against me and the colleague.
A couple of minutes to speak. It's up for the members of the committee to ask questions
of the officers. OK. At the end, we'll accept the apology. Previously, we provided proof
of developers breaching planning law, yet the planners sided with the developers abandoned
due diligence and acted as their mouthpiece. In defence of the developers' villains, the
planners' reply was that there was no reason not to believe the developers. The planners
have also misinterpreted the inspectors ruling on the tunnel wear charts, suggesting the
reserve matters can proceed before addressing the safety investigation. They claim they
are content that before the development means the reserve matters can be implemented first
and then they will monitor the tunnel air shaft safety investigation. They also added
that the outcome not be preempted and they are satisfied that there is no railway related
network of real reasons to review this current application.
Are you sure you wouldn't like me to repeat? I think we're OK. This statement is preemptive
and they have no proof. The planners' blind faith has resulted in years of wasted resources.
Then we have to consider network. You have one minute remaining. Clearly stating that
there are issues. Less than two years ago in the rail tunnel just outside Bath, a train
burst into flames and smoke and it was the air shafts that saved the passengers and staff.
Network Rail have made it clear that they have little knowledge about the air tunnel
shafts under these properties and that is why they need a safety inspection before they
can recommend the current reserve matters. We understand that planning might feel under
pressure to draw a conclusion to this after years of pursuing, but given the overall conduct
of the developer and their misrepresentation on planning law, asset protection, Arabs consultation
restricted covenants and the failures in planning due process, they are only themselves to blame.
There should be no compromises over safety. That's time. Thank you. Sorry, I didn't hear
that. That's time. Thank you.
Got any questions? Or does anybody want to hear any more?
Councillor Roberts. I just wanted to ask you, have the concerns
of British Rail been widely publicised, made available to local residents and others?
The British Rail and the chief of the operations, Mark Leighton, has written to the council
and the planners, setting out that it's too premature to allow reserve matters before
the investigation of the air shafts and the ground is carried out. It would be too premature
to do that. They are withholding any judgement on that
at this stage? That is correct. It depends on what you mean
by withholding, the stated fact that they do not know whether it's safe or not.
Thank you. I think you'll find, and the officers may
explain afterwards, that Network Rail have not made any comments at this stage, but there
is a condition that this should be agreed with them before any work starts.
Legally, we can't ask for that condition to happen before the decision is made, but
before any work starts, it needs to be made. Thank you for reminding me of that. That was
the Inspector's ruling, yes. Any more questions?
Councillor Conway. Putting aside any safety issues, is there
any other issues that you have with this? Yes, and Kirsty will be bringing these up,
but if you like I can briefly run over them. Would you like that?
Just the issues which aren't in regards to safety, but in regards to planning.
Most of the design of the plans for this development are called into question because of Millon's
own safety audit. They referred to collisions with cars and collisions with people, and
if you look at the whole design, which is part of the landscape, you'll notice that
particularly number 51, they will actually step out right onto the road.
There are other issues with the road, of course. The field of vision is restricted, despite
what the report says, and we are also concerned with the width of the road. There is no leeway
for emergency vehicles or anything of that nature.
Any other questions? Mr Toner, would you like to apologise?
Just hearing from you and taking questions now, the officers will have a chance to speak
afterwards. So thank you very much, if you can take your seats now.
We have Kirsty Fraser who would like to speak. Hi. Hi, everyone.
Just to remind you again, you will have three minutes to speak if you choose yourself, and
then you'll have three minutes to speak, until the warning when you have one minute left.
All right, thank you. All right, evening, everyone. I'm Kirsty from Beresford Avenue.
This reserve matter's application should be denied, and the statement of support in the
planning officer's assessment is inaccurate, misleading, unsafe and illogical.
Firstly, stepping out of 51 Beresford Avenue, there's basically going to be a gate, and
the family home will just have no pavement in front of it, and it will walk straight
into the highway. This is obviously incredibly dangerous, and the developer safety audit
comes up with no realistic option of avoiding colliding cars or collisions with pedestrians.
We did actually have a meeting with Steve and Volley, and we were discussing the problems
with that particular exit for that house, the gateway opening onto a road, and obviously
as they approach the access road, that if they saw an oncoming vehicle, the car may
have to reverse, and obviously... Sorry, can I just interrupt you there? As
you're aware, we're hearing tonight just the conditions about landscaping, I think the
access and the side roads and so on... Okay, so just to finish my point...
Which was agreed in the outline... Okay, so just to finish my point quickly then...
It's just what we're looking at... Sorry, no problem, I'll go back to that,
but Stephen did say that those cars would not be reversing there, which obviously is
not enforceable. So anyway, Network Rail Engineers assert it's premature to deal with this application
now, which seems to be acknowledged, I think, because we don't have the safety report, and
the airshafts need investigations to ensure safety. After a decade of applications, this
is nearly 10 years in the making, millings face two restrictive covenants for bidding
house building over the rail tunnel. We don't know if the tunnel can withstand ground excavations
until the airshafts are properly assessed, as per the Health and Safety Act.
Beristed residents and the council cannot accept this application when it might change
after an airshaft investigation would be denied our right to critique and evaluate the outcome.
Our planners feel confident that they can monitor millings after this application is
approved, but you've had 10 years to monitor this development over their claims of securing
a Network Rail Assessment, sorry, Asset Protection Agreement. They don't have such an agreement.
The latest report claims planners could manage the airshaft investigation post-approval,
and back up their unsubstantiated claim that they have recycled their statement, thank
you, from earlier reports. There's no planning or evidence of monitoring any conditions of
the developer over the past 10 years. Millings has just been relentless, keeps set in submitting
applications one after the other, and at the last meeting, they did actually shout, the
last meeting that they attended, they did shout that they were going to keep going and
going and going. Now, we did ask for that statement to be minuted, but Stephen didn't
minute it, but we did raise that concern. On one hand, to choose to rely on the planners'
well-documented historic unreliability to monitor millings, on the other hand, to choose
Networks Rail's valid health and safety concerns about this application, we believe it should
be investigated first and then followed up with an amended matters application. We recommend
the committee deny this application, and there's just too many ifs and buts about this application,
and we just want you to refuse it like every other, all the councillors that have before
you over the last decade. Thank you. Any questions? Yes, Councillor Conway. What's the issues
with the landscaping? With the landscaping? Are we talking about the actual layout of
the…? Yeah, can you explain what you mean by landscaping and I'll answer the question,
if that's all right? I didn't mean that. I'll ask the officers afterwards, but just
in regards to this reserve matters application with respect to details relating to landscaping,
what are your issues with the landscaping? I'm not sure how to answer that question.
Can I ask the Beresford group that are behind me? I'm afraid you're here to answer the
questions, not other people. Okay, but I have concentrated on the safety factors here tonight.
Sorry, I can't answer more. Though I would just say, as I said to Mr Fraser, there is
a condition resulting from the appeal that the safety report should be confirmed with
networked rail before any work starts. You can't ask for that before decision is made,
but if that condition is there, then it should be done before any work starts, and the officers
will explain that further afterwards, if that's okay. Any further questions? No, thank you
very much. Thank you. So, as I say, I'll ask you to explain that a little bit more,
and if there's any other comments or questions for members at this stage. Oh, I'm sorry,
I'm forgetting the applicants. Always doing that. Sorry, the applicant, the agent, we
have Mr Millen, Vincent Millen. I do apologise for missing you out, that's my area. There's
a button with a face on it, if you don't want your finger in, it's not very clear to see.
That's it, yes, again, if you could introduce yourself, then you have three minutes to speak,
and you'll be given a warning when you have one minute left. Hi, my name is Ben Lowry,
I'm one of the owners of Millen Homes. Thanks for hearing us tonight. I don't really have
too much to say in terms of the landscaping. Almost identical scheme was approved by this
committee two years ago, the only difference was the access came in off a slightly different
roof. In terms of this inspection shaft that keeps coming up tonight, I thought I'd just
cover this off, that was inspected by Network Rail last year, and they've now concreted
that over, it's sealed off, and it's been purposely located in a position where it's
easily accessible under a car parking space. Network Rail are happy with it, they've signed
off on it, we have a BAPA agreement drafted and in place, the only reason that isn't signed
is because we have to pay a substantial amount of money at that stage, and until such time
as detailed permission was granted, we wouldn't commit to those funds, because it's a very
large chunk of money. So, in terms of the landscaping, we've worked very hard to make
sure that the landscaping officers are happy, and the scheme is pretty much in terms of
planting, layout, maintenance, identical to the scheme that was approved two years ago
by this committee. Thank you for your time.
Thank you. Can you just confirm your name? Are you Benjamin?
I'm Benjamin Lowry.
Right, just take your name down properly. Any questions from members? No? Okay, thank
you very much. And, again, we go back to the officer. Talking about the condition from
Network Rail…
Certainly, yes. So, as was detailed in the officer report, the wording of the condition
for the Network Rail was quite specific, and conditions need to be clear. There's a criteria
for a condition to make sure that it's clear, understandable, and the clear wording of the
condition is, No development shall take place until details of the location, extent,
and depth of all excavations of the services have been looked into.
I'm sort of paraphrasing
it slightly, but the wording at the beginning of the condition is very specific, in that
it says, No development shall take place until details,
etc. And having worked on
major schemes before, if there was the expectation for those details to be provided before the
reserve matters, it would have said something along the lines of, Prior to reserve matters
being submitted.
Is that condition… That condition is not on these papers? Is that just because it came
from the appeal? That's part of this?
No, no, the…
On these papers, it goes from Condition 3 to Condition 7. I don't know if that's
been messed up.
So, it's within the body of the report?
Right.
So, it's on page 16 of the report which has been published.
Appeal decision.
Okay.
It's got about an appeal decision there, I want to say. I can't say it specifically,
but it is… Although that's not in the report as a condition, it is…
It isn't a condition which we attached. It's a condition which the Inspector attached.
Thank you.
Okay. Councillor Canwick.
In your opinion, is there any aspect of either the softer the landscape will make it dangerous
for anyone entering or leaving the development?
So our highway officer has looked into this. Following residents' concerns, they were
consulted later on in the process, just to be absolutely crystal clear. And they said,
following an amendment to the fencing, which pulls the height of the fencing down and back,
they're entirely satisfied that there are no highway concerns.
Any further questions, Councillor Barnes?
We've heard mention the air shafts or shaft on a couple of occasions. Would you like to
comment on that as well?
So that's entirely unrelated to the landscaping condition. There's a separate condition
which we will deal with and which the applicant will need to deal with before the commencement
of works on site. But that's not something which we can and need to deal with at this
stage.
Thank you. Any further questions? Councillor Roberts.
Is the application dependent upon that decision that's yet to be made, whatever decision
we make this evening?
No, so the applicant will still need to come in with those details once the decision on
the landscaping has been made.
About the rail tunnel going underneath that is yet to be resolved as well.
The proposal is set out at the start of the report and there's a lot of discussion tonight
of background information for decisions that have already been made at the appeal. So really
what you're looking at, the only decision you're making tonight is in relation to that
landscaping condition. It's a reserved matter. So it's being reserved, without any permission,
being reserved and you're being asked that decision to make a decision on that. And I'm
happy to hear about the background, et cetera, but it's not related, unless the subject tells
me otherwise, to this condition. That will have its life of its own as it would do like
a normal planning application.
But the safety report about the railway shaft needs to be given to Network Rail and agreed
with Network Rail before any work can start. That's what the condition is.
Any further? We will go to a vote. The officers are recommending approval of this application.
All those in favour of approval? There's four against, one not voting. So that application
is approved. And we move on to –
I'm sorry, we've finished with that application now. As you heard, we were looking at reserve
matters. Thank you. We have finished with that application now. We're moving on to the next
one. We're moving on to 61. We have finished with that application. If you could quietly
leave the room now. Thank you. We'll move on to 61 Pinchley Lane.
Thank you. We have heard you, and you have heard that tonight we are dealing with just
the conditions. Yes, we've heard you. Thank you very much.
Thank you. And we'll move on to 61 Pinchley Lane.
Thank you. The next item on the agenda is 61 Pinchley Lane in Hendon. The proposal is
for a single-storey rear outbuilding, partly retrospective as it amends a building that's
already built on the site. So members of the committee at the site visit yesterday. This
is the property here, one half of a pair of semis here on Pinchley Lane. It's been converted
into a number of flats. These are some site photographs. This shows the front of the property
here and the access way down the side here, which leads through to communal gardens and
a series of historic outbuildings and a new outbuilding, which has been built along the
back of the site at the rear here, which has been built unlawfully and has been the subject
of a number of applications over the last couple of years, as you'll see from the report.
So that was obviously the original plan of the garden. The flats, three flats at ground
floor level in the main building have got their own private garden. The rest of the
area here was communal garden for all the flats. These two buildings here and these
two garage-type buildings there are lawful. They've been there for some time. Previously,
the building that was built incorporated the buildings on this side and extended across
the width of the site and extended down here. So this building has not got planning permission.
It's been refused, as have a number of variations to it. An enforcement notice has been served,
which is now subject of an appeal. We're awaiting the decision. You'll see from the report and
the addendum that the most recent application was to amend that building and retain it.
In this form here, extending right up to the boundary of the property on this side here,
it was reported to Planning Committee last year and members refused it. Again, that application
is at appeal at the moment, but as of today we don't have a decision on that application.
So the current proposal is to amend the outbuilding further and it would set it away from the
side on this side as well as on this side, so there will be a two metre gap between the
building and each side boundary. The depth of the extension would remain as it is. Its
overall height, as we'll see in a moment, is 2.5 metres here and as members will have
seen on site yesterday, the actual height of the building is the same height as the
fence, which runs along this boundary on this side with number 59. Yes, that's the fence
line here and that's the building, and this is the height of the fence to the other side.
So this is the unlawful building that's currently situated on that boundary here, so it will
be set back, this part will be removed, retaining this rearmost portion only. The enforcement
case relates to the whole of the unlawful outbuilding here, which is required to demolish
all these buildings and the garages on site here. This was the scheme that was refused
last year so members can see there was a distance to the boundary on this side, but it projected
up to the boundary on this side, so the main difference now is making the building even
smaller to remove this area here to ensure a separation to the boundary of two metres.
So in terms of the key considerations, officers consider the scale of the outbuilding has
been reduced, it's been set back two metres from both side boundaries compared to the
previous scheme refused, and the communal garden will be closer in size to the original
because of the removal of existing sheds and reduction in the size of the outbuilding,
so the application is recommended for approval subject to conditions. Thank you.
Thank you. And we have Jodie Benign to speak, I think Benign is the one you were going to
speak for. We usually ask the Councillor to speak after the other speakers, Mark, I don't
know if you'd like to speak. Yes, if you can hear me, I'll pass them around.
I will say first thank you for coming this evening, it's my dire job easily not to have
to defer the item because you couldn't come, thank you. If you can turn the microphone
on, that's it, and then introduce yourself and you'll have three minutes to speak and
you'll be given a warning when you have one minute left, thank you.
Hi, my name is Jodie Benign and I live at 59 Finchley Lane, immediately next door to
the property with my husband Michael, five children and our puppy. It's been our family
home for the last 15 years. I object to this proposal. We are not property people. We feel
overwhelmed, frustrated and exhausted having to fight against developers who have more
financial power and expertise than we do. We've had to contend with six planning applications
just in the last 20 months, four of which were refused and one withdrawn. This started
when these developers built a series of outbuildings of this location unlawfully without permission.
There's a planning enforcement notice requiring the demolition of all these outbuildings which
the developers are currently appealing. They believe that asking for forgiveness rather
than for permission is an acceptable tactic. With respect, the committee should not reward
the applicant's bad behavior. I spoke before the planning committee last September when
the planning officer was recommending approval for a single story rear outbuilding. All six
members of the committee unanimously agreed with the planning officer and a refusal was
issued on the grounds which are summarized in Exhibit 1 disagreed with the planning officer.
Almost a year later, I am baffled to be back here with the planning officer again recommending
approval for an almost identical proposal. What has changed? Essentially nothing. In
Exhibit 1, you see clearly that the proposed outbuilding has not changed in size. It has
merely been moved away slightly from the northern boundary. The committee's recent refusal reasons
of excessive footprint, size, scale, depth and height all remain. In a similar vein,
if it was determined mid last year that a gym is uncharacteristically intensive use
for a residential garden, how can it be acceptable now? Please see Exhibit 2. Furthermore, an
outbuilding like this is inconsistent with DM01 and would therefore meaningfully impact
the character of our neighborhood. Please see Exhibit 3. On Google Maps, the only other
outbuilding I can identify with an address on our side of the road is the developer's
other property at number 53. There they first applied for an ancillary use as a gym. It's
never been used as a gym, and then have applied numerous times to convert that building into
residential use, having been refused three times since June 2023 with an application
pending. You have one minute remaining. Exhibit 4 illustrates this pattern of incremental
building. It's a war of attrition on us and on your resources. We believe they'll do exactly
the same at 61. They've had discrepancies in their application, saying there's no water
when there is, saying buildings were pre-existing when they were not. You can see that in Exhibits
5 and 6. They've also had a complete disregard for us and for the law. They've rented out
two of their flats as Airbnbs since day one. They don't care about the 90-day rule. We
can't go in our garden because there's constant smells of marijuana. We're kept up at night
by loud noise. The developers have no regard for us. To conclude, we believe that this
application should be denied for the reasons we've stated. You can see them in Exhibit
- It's the same size. It's the same use. It's inconsistent with DM01. The developer has a track record of unlawful development. They've not told the truth. They've been unreliable. They've used their properties as Airbnb, showing unprincipled behaviour and approving them now, which is reward bad behaviour. Thank you very much. It was well timed. Any questions? Thank you very much for this, which is very clear. You worked hard on it. It looks like we have no questions at the moment. No questions. I'll have Councillor Mark Shooter. Thank you very much, Chair. It's good to be back. You've only got three minutes to speak. Yes, three minutes. I'm not going to time myself. I haven't got a lot to add on an excellent presentation. This obviously was here last year a few times, I think four times. I penciled in my diary for next year another three times, just the optimism that it gets refused again. Last time, we went through it in detail and the committee voted 6-0 against the application. From what I can see, nothing's really changed very much from the previous application. It's still the same size, as far as I can see. The height is definitely the same, 2.45 metres. It was refused on height as well as bulking and various other issues, DM01, et cetera. What they're going to do, they can keep coming back and take an inch off, here, there, everywhere. It doesn't really change the fact that this is really trying to put lipstick on an elephant, on a pig, actually. Lipstick on a pig is just trying to dress up fat. It's an eyesore. You go on Google Earth, you can see there's nothing in the near vicinity anything like this. They're claiming that it's going to be a gym and they put the fowl, the drainage in for the toilets, et cetera. If it was a gym for the residents, they'd have their own apartments anyway to go to the bathroom. Is this going to be some kind of luxury spa with a bedroom? I mean, yoga room, anyway. It doesn't really make sense to me. We do have policies in place. I just think they're just trying to keep coming back in order to try and take advantage of get something through and then do some planning creep on the next one. Can't really add anything to the exhibits. They will speak for themselves. For me, just as a disclosure, I know the neighbours. I know many of the neighbours who are objecting here, so that's why I felt compelled to speak. Obviously, being a ward councillor, I don't really want to see this type of thing happening. I don't really want to see this type of increase in demise going in Hendon and spreading, especially on that road. It's very important to have other amenity space and gardens. We don't want people being overlooked. I think Jody alluded to Airbnb. I mean, if you do Google 61 Finchley Lane Airbnb, it does come up with a rather nice accommodation. I think we got five stars only two weeks ago. I think four stars the week before that. We do have a housing shortage, but not building ice halls and gardens. I think for all the stress it's caused in the area, I think it would be much better if the committee stuck to being consistent on the last application, which they turned down convincingly. This is pretty much the same application. It's just that the building has done a little walk to the centre, so it's shifted over. That's time, thank you. OK, thank you. Thank you. Any questions? Councillor Roberts. I just wanted to ask Councillor Shitter, in principle, are you against there being a gymnasium at the rear of this building? In principle, are you against the idea that a gymnasium should be at the end of this property? Not really. There's no problem having a gymnasium, if it is going to be a gymnasium. There's a grey area. I'm not against having gyms at the back of people's cars. What I'm against is huge out-of-character outbuildings that are actually ruining the lives of the people next door. As long as things are built within scale, and this is clearly not. You can see it from your garden. It is slightly over the fence, and these are high fences that have been put in, so it's quite a large outbuilding. It is, but those facilities, if it was a gym, for instance, then could be utilised by the residents of number 61. Yes, but what's to stop a bed going in as well? That could be part of it. Well, that's the issue. If they are running Airbnbs, then they're going to run Airbnbs from there. If it's open for residents, fine, but it just seems to be a very large building, way too large for the area, so it's really about the size issue more than anything else. Gymnasiums do need to be of a certain size by the very nature of what they're there for. Well, they can be adaptable. They can get smaller if they want to. They just have one less running machine. I don't know whether they're planning to service the whole of Hendon in that size gym. Thank you. As you know, I was on the committee last time that turned it down. I think I was chairing that committee as well. But there is a big change now, so it has been made a lot smaller, so you're saying it's still rather large. As far as I can see, it's easy. It's looking at does this meet the reasons that the last one was turned down, so it's just an excessive size, design, siting, scale, depth, height and so on. The height hasn't changed. Even if the size has changed, I don't think it has. It might have changed from the original first application, but from the last one that was turned down, I don't believe it's changed. You have the exhibits, but regardless of that, it was turned down also on height, and the height is certainly the same height as it was previously that was turned down, and that was one of the specific reasons that was listed. We'll ask for confirmation on that. We were told that the height is the same, and we saw on the fact that the height is the same as it was in the previous application, so therefore it can't be seen. It's a matter of looking at it, and in terms of Airbnb, that's not something we can look at now. I appreciate how neighbours may feel about that. I haven't got anything against Airbnbs either, by the way, I use them sometimes when I go on holiday. We'll hear from the applicant's agent now, and then they'll get in the station. Thank you very much. One more question, sorry, Councillor Conway. Just following on from Councillor Roberts' question in regards to gyms, do you think there's any difference when a gym is in a private resident's home rather than if it's in a large block of flats? Well, I guess it would make a lot more sense building a gym if you had a resident block of 200 people. It would be far more cost-effective than building a gym for five flats, so I don't know what the landlord is looking to achieve here. I don't think he's going to achieve a significant uplift in rent that will help pay for the capital outlay of this supposed gym. So I don't see, personally, I think it was something that was probably thought of afterwards when there was obviously some scrutiny from complaints from the neighbourhood what's going on. There's a huge outbuilding that's gone up illegally, and perhaps it was retrofitted. I don't know the history of what happened, but it doesn't make sense for me that there should be – how much gym equipment do you need for five units, five residential units? And there are many, many gyms all around Hendon as well that are very, very good. I think there's the Middlesex University gym, you've got the gym at Hendon Central as well, and if someone wanted a running machine they can go and buy their own running machine. The flats are quite nice sized flats and big enough to host their own workout equipment should they so wish. Okay, thank you. And then we have the agent, George Ray. Thank you, I think you also know the procedure, if you turn your microphone on. Now we have three minutes to speak, you can be given number one when you have one minute left. Thank you Chair and members of the Planning Committee for the opportunity to speak today. Upon reviewing the objections raised against the proposal, it is evident that they either follow a repetitive pattern or consist of copied content. All 17 points in each objection focus on either alleged past accusations or speculative future accusations by my client. Rather than addressing the actual details of the current proposal, if we concentrate solely on the facts of the application, devoid of the unsubstantiated claims presented by a neighbouring party, it becomes clear that the only reasonable conclusion is for this application to be approved. The proposed development is significantly reduced in scale from the original application and is smaller than the previous refuse scheme. Frankly, I'm surprised by the attention this mine application has attracted. The prior refusal considered concerns about the security of number 59, specifically the fear that people could jump from the outbuilding into their garden, as well as the outbuilding size and its impact of number 59's immunity case. My client addressed these concerns by repositioning the outbuilding more than two metres away from both neighbouring properties and ensuring its roof is below the fence line, effectively eliminating any potential impact to neighbouring properties. Furthermore, the proposed outbuilding is smaller than similar developments built at numbers 51, 53, 76, 82, 88, 95, demonstrating that it's not out of character for the street. For these reasons, the planning department has recommended approval. My client has consistently approached this process with diligence and responsiveness. After the previous application was refused, he consulted with the planning department, considered the committee's and neighbours' concerns and returned with a substantially revised proposal. The planning department confirmed that the revised proposal adequately addressed all the concerns and again issued an approval. My client has transformed the previously dilapidated site into a well-developed property with high quality residential flats, all constructed in strict compliance with planning approval permissions. When it came to the rear garden, he was misinformed about the permitted development. You heard one minute remaining. Whilst it was clarified that Albert did not fall under such rights, he collaborated closely with the council to develop a scheme that meets planning policies while addressing neighbours' concerns, reducing the size scale repeatedly. It's important to note that current objections do not cite any planning policy issues, but rather make basis accusations against my client. His objective is to provide functional and minute space that enhances the residents' quality of life. Objections questioning the use of the outbuilding as a gym are particularly unfounded in today's context, where integrating gyms into residential sites is seen as beneficial for physical and mental wellbeing. In summary, the proposal in front of you today has been meticulously adapted, scaled down and thoughtfully designed to align with the planning policies and address all previously raised concerns. I urge the committee to focus on the actual merits of the application and approve accordingly. Thank you. Any questions? Councillor Roberts. Can you clarify? The use of the gym is for the residents of the property. Yes. So, I know the planning officer... Not the commercial entity. No, no, no. And in addition to that, I noted that the planning officer said that the three ground floor flats have their own private amenity space, but that they also have use of the communal amenity space at the rear. So they will also be able to use and benefit from this area. Any further questions? Councillor Conway. Thank you. What was the size of the gym in the previous application? I don't know if I've got the notes. I've got the plans, but I don't know if they're on board. Just because you mentioned that it's been majorly scaled down, so I'm just trying to work out what... I said scaled down, and I said majorly scaled down from the original application. So on the first application, as you can see, that was refused, and each time we have scaled it down. Apart from, obviously, the very large one, or the other ones that we have significantly scaled down, have been approved by planning officers and taken to committee by the objections of the neighbours. But each time we have reduced the scale. So obviously, from the previous one to this one, it has been reduced. No percentage, I don't know off the top of my head. Just looking at the plans both here and previously leading up to this meeting, it doesn't look to me. So I'm just trying to find out what the actual size is, because it still looks the same. And previously the committee said grants for refusal are due to excessive footprint, excessive size, excessive design, excessive scale, excessive height and excessive depth. And I can't see how that has been reduced. Besides that, it's been moved slightly away from the fence, yet at the same time making it closer to the other fence. So whilst making it potentially slightly better for one neighbour, you've made it worse for the other neighbour. Well, if you look at the other neighbour, if you look at the photos of the other side, you'll see that there's a massive brick wall on the other side. So in fact, if it is still two metres away, 2.5 metres in height, which is below the fence line, so it simply cannot affect any amenity space of neighbours. I don't think that is a necessary concern in terms of impacting the amenity, because you visually can't see it. On that side anyway, you say, so move closer, there's a four metre brick wall on the other side of that fence. But on that side, yes, we did move it away from the neighbours of number 59, of course, because they were concerned. I remember at the committee, I don't know, I can't remember which committee members were here, but they did raise the point of they were nervous someone was going to climb on the roof and jump into their garden. So we paid attention to that. We thought it wasn't going to happen, but okay, it was a concern of them, so we moved it away. We did reduce it off the top of my head, maybe 5 to 10% reduction. But you've got to remember, each time, from the original one, it's probably about, I would say, half, just over half of the time. So we don't need to go to the original one, because we're talking about the previous one was rejected. Well, to be honest with you, I'm actually talking about this one. This one and the relevance of this application. To be honest with you, as I said to you, there were 17 objections raised. If we go through them, one by one, they're all not really relevant to this application. They all go on previous application. That's why I'm trying to stop now. I'm just asking about this one. This one is reduced from the previous application. Again, when we got objection one, again, it talks about, I've said, these are just notes I've written down. Objection one, not relevant to this application. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, as I said, concentrating on this application and the merits of this application, it has been reduced in size. It can't be seen by the neighbouring properties. The fact the use of the gym will benefit all residentials. I mean, I know Councillor Shooter mentioned, oh, it's OK, they can just shove a treadmill in their living room. I mean, it's quite easy, you know, thankfully I live in a house where I can. Other people may, people living in flats can't automatically do that. I think you've answered the question. Thank you. Any further questions, Councillor Collegg? Thank you. Having been on a site visit yesterday and seen the sort of existing building, unlawful building, I've got concerns on two fronts. It doesn't fall for the size and depth of the building, the actual physical construction there. It's going to be awfully uncomfortable for anyone exercising in there due to lack of ventilation. And then again, in the winter when it's cold, it's going to be really difficult for anyone to exercise in there due to the temperatures involved. So I do have concerns over the actual usage of the building. Sorry, I apologise. I missed, didn't hear your first, I heard about the winter. I didn't hear the forgot. The existing construction that you have there, minus the end bits and the bits around the side, so the bit that you intend to keep, doesn't appear to have sufficient ventilation for anyone who's doing some heavy exercise within the building. And that is a concern because I have a feeling that it's, if not unsafe, it's going to be uncomfortable. Sorry, are we able to bring up the proposed plans, the proposed floor plan, so everyone can see. I think you'll find you've got, there's three sides that have access to air ventilation. On each side, there are two windows proposed. Again, what you saw on site is not what the end product's going to be. Obviously, that is unlawful. They have to, unless something happens, they're going to have to knock it down and rebuild according to this plan. So based on this plan, you've got two windows on the side, you've got the front, which is obviously the longest stretch, which is proposed full of windows, double doors. I do believe that there is sufficient ventilation, according to the gym requirements. In addition to that, you talk about being cold winter days and that's back of garden. Yeah, my client would love to have it right closer to the house, but that again, would be against planning policy and wouldn't want to do that because that would be an eyesore. And well, I was up 6, 5.30 this morning, heading off to the gym. So, and it was dark and cold then. And you know, I would recommend people do do that. It's quite exhilarating. So I personally in the winter would recommend people venturing their beer of cold to enjoy benefits mentally and physically of going to the gym. And that is what this proposal is trying to represent. Just one point and two questions. You mentioned that your client was previously badly advised in regards to, but he hasn't given in to the thing yet, he's appealing it. Is he accepted that he was badly advised? But moving on to the two points, in this current application, on the application you've written, are you proposing to connect to existing drainage system? You clicked no. Sorry, sorry. In that application, it's been clicked, are you proposing to connect to the existing drainage system? And it's been ticked no. No. Yet we can see on site that there is drainage in a toilet into the gym. So where is that drainage? What is that drainage in that toilet for if it's not connected to the drainage system? Again, I'm trying to stick to this application. This application doesn't show any drainage. It was from previous applications that there is no drainage. Obviously it was done. There is still drainage there now. From previously, as you say, unlawful development. It simply won't be used. There simply won't be drainage. You can see there's no, I don't think there's a sink there or a toilet showing that there's a toilet. There is a toilet inside at the moment. Yes, but we're talking, again, trying to stick to the facts, trying to stick to the actual application. There is no proposed toilet there. And there is a proposed, as you say, in terms of he was badly advised. Yes, he was. He was told it was a permitted development. The truth is, if it was a single dwelling house, the proposed, what he built would be considered to be a permitted development. If he was informed incorrectly, it's everyone's right to appeal. Of course it's everyone's right to appeal. But in essence, this is what, again, I try again focusing on this application, the merits and the benefits this application will provide. Thank you. Thank you. In regards to this, once again, this application, this application now, it's written that according to the current application, outbuildings in yellow are labeled pre-existing. We've got an image from Google Maps that shows that's not true. Pre-existing to the building going down. Pre-existing that work started in February
- And in 29th of June 2019, you can see they are not there on Google Maps. If you go back to the previous plans, you'll see there's four separate plans. The first plan shows, you're right, original. And you're absolutely right, there are no outbuildings shown on that. But in the current application, it's written that the other outbuildings were pre-existing. So yeah, okay. So you're right. So there weren't any. Then, as the planning officer says, those ones, and these are the ones we were talking about, were then constructed prior to my client purchasing the property. Those were on site, and Dean Northwood, I think the planning officer stated. So there were four stages. So prior to the outbuildings being built, there were outbuildings there already. You're correct in saying, originally, there wasn't anything there, which the first plan does show. Is there an error in this current application? No, no, no. What I'm agreeing with you, I'm saying both statements are true. So there were previous, there were before the outbuildings was built, there were outbuildings there. But a few years before that, you're correct, there wasn't any buildings there at all. So I'm saying both statements are true. I'm not denying your statement. I don't really follow that, but just to move on to my last point, my last point. It's been said before, and it is connected to this application, the proposed use of an outbuild as a communal gym is also considered uncharacteristically intensive use for a residential garden. This is still a communal gym, and it's still in a residential garden. So putting aside any, we may disagree on whether you've made it any smaller or not, it still looks excessive, but it's still a communal gym and a residential garden, which your client has been told before, is uncharacteristic. Okay, I appreciate that comment. Not by me, but by the planning officers. And so my counter argument is, is that fundamentally, I believe that this gym will, and I hope Councillors agree with me, will be beneficial. Might be uncharacteristic, you're right, because not every house on the street has a gym there. But fundamentally, I really do believe that having a gym in a block of flats is very beneficial, especially at the moment. We've got to consider fitness, wellness of people, and it's very nice. In terms of moving on, I'll take further advice than this, but I think we're not able to consider what this may be used for. As far as I don't think using it as a gym, I'm not suggesting anything. They're saying it's being used a communal gym and the officers have said that communal gym is uncharacteristic in this area. We'll get confirmation of that from the opposition. Any further questions? No. Okay, so if we could have some comments from officers about whether this use of the gym may be allowed or not. In terms of the size of the building, I've just checked the officer report for the last application that came before committee, and that stated the building was 3.6 metres by 12.3 metres. The current plan shows 3.8 metres by 11.6. So it's 0.2 metres deeper and 0.7 metres narrower. Same height, but 4.5. Okay, thank you. I would like to say that, as I said, I was on the committee that turned this down last time, and it was very apparent then that the sort of wraparound was a huge overdevelopment of that area and for this site. Clearly this has been going on and we've heard from the speakers and we've read from the other objectors as well. It's been going on causing a lot of nuisance to them for a long time, and I do accept that, but I'm thinking if this was the first application that came, would we be looking at it differently, just as this application without knowing all the other things that were going on and were still coming under appeal. So I'm not decided on that, but we are just looking at what is before us tonight and coming to try and look at it as though it had no history, is what I'm saying. Any further comments or questions for anybody? Just from the size that we've just been given, it's just as excessive. Putting it aside, being built illegally, they haven't taken it down. Besides that, we've got a clear picture of there being drainage there. The building itself now in this application is 0.2 wider than it previously was. I just need to emphasise what the chair said. You're here tonight to consider the application which is single storey, rare outbuilding part retrospective. The history as regards, you do need to ignore to a certain extent, and also any future potential enforcement issues. That's up to the council to enforce those. If it goes into residential use, whatever is anticipated. At the moment, it's just for the building as proposed, not as you saw on the site visit. If you're going to vote to not approve it, which you're entitled to do, then you need to have in mind planning reasons to refuse this application. I would suggest future enforcement is not a reason and the drainage is not a reason. You need to consider this application. Thank you. If we can go to the vote then, the officers are recommending approval of this application. All those in favour of approval? That's two. Those against? Two. One not voting. I hate this council chair's decision then. I would have to go along with the officer's recommendation in that case for approval. This application has been approved. Good evening, everyone. I'm here to present a case at 49 St James Avenue. It's for a change of views from a C3 dwelling house to a C2 care home for three children. It's noted that the applicant is the director of the barner's family services and the children there is typically aged around 11 to 14 years old. As you can see from the site location plan, the application site is a two-storey semi-detached dwelling house located in the north-turn side of St James Avenue. The area is predominantly semi-detached houses with some detached houses. The site has a P-tail of two, which is considered accessibility is fairly poor, but it benefits from a driveway to the front and a private garden to the rear. So here are some of the aerial photos, and you can tell that that's a wraparound single-storey extension. And some site photos to the front and to the rear. So the existing house is a four-bed, seven-person home. There's no external changes proposed. And the main shared accommodation is at the ground floor level and consists of kitchen, dining room, living room, and a staff office. And the third floor, you can tell three children's home with sites about 13 to 19 square meters, which are quite spacious. Some concerns are raised of the proposed living room for the staff is 5.7 square meters large, which is slightly small, but because that would not be the primary accommodation for the staff, which on balance is fine. So the key arguments here is whether the use of a children's home would materially impact the character of the area, which is predominantly a single-family dwelling by virtue of the number of comings and goings and any associated impact to the noise and safety. So the staff pattern, you can tell, is likely to happen at about 7 to 11 p.m., which is unlikely to result in an intensification of the use beyond that expected of a single household. And this is the existing parking and cycle parking and waste management, which has retained its existing arrangement. And other considerations involved the principal development, which we find the applicant has demonstrated there is a need for care home in the locality, especially there are two councils' children home and a family resource center, which would be located within 1.1 to 1.6 miles, which is about 20 to 30 minutes walking distance from 49 St. James Avenue. So it creates a strong support network and has justifying the loss of a poorly accessible family home. And on balance, we find that the impact of character and the neighbor's amenities are acceptable, and therefore the application is recommended for approval subject to conditions. Thank you, Councillor Conway. Just with permission, although I was not involved in any of this, as a member of the Children's Education, OVU and Scruthers Subcommittee, with permission, can I just excuse myself for this application? You won't because because you're just reading their objections, you won't be able to answer questions for them, but you can you can read their statements. Yes, three minutes for each. Good evening, members and chair of the Planning Committee. My name is Ben Chung and I'm a planning consultant representing my clients, Miss Zora and Pfizer Siddiqui, who resides at number 60, Raleigh Drive, which is an immediate neighboring property to the north of the application site. My clients are deeply concerned about this planning application to convert a single family dwelling house to what is effectively a youth class C2 residential institution. We note a large number from the local community have voiced their concerns during the consultation process with 150 objections and only one letter of support. We sincerely request members to reject the officer's recommendation of approval and direct refusal of this application due to the following reasons. The principle of losing a single family dwelling house within what is an established residential area is considered unacceptable as it would create a net loss of family sized housing in the borough. This would serve to encourage and exacerbate the continuous and cumulative erosion of more family dwellings from being lost in established neighborhoods such as this. There has been no evidence to suggest alternative sites have been properly considered and assessed. There are simply no details of any alternative sites being documented in its evidence base in which demonstrate objectively how alternative sites have been convincingly discounted. We will simply never know whether those alternative sites may actually have particular advantages over this application site and is considered a serious flaw when properly considering other suitable sites elsewhere within the borough. The ground floor bedroom intended for one of the children is located to the front of the property and overlooking what is effectively the driveway. This is considered a substandard living condition for this habitable space and officers have not properly considered this issue. We consider the layout arrangement of the proposal to be substandard and inadequately thought through given there is no apparent dedicated staffing area within the property to provide the basis in which to operate from and provide round-the-clock care. In addition, having one of the children's bedroom on the ground floor so close to the entrance could mean children could escape without supervision. There appears to be no due consideration for access for all policies and principles being applied to the proposed development, nor has it been duly addressed in the committee report. This is contrary to local plan and London Plan policies. The site has a PTAU rating of 2 and is considered poor for public transport accessibility. This is clearly not a good sustainable site and that emerging local plan policy suggests the need for these sites to be in PTAU at least a 3 to 6. Just because the properties within close proximity to bus stops do not address the fact the site has overall poor public transport accessibility with limited bus connectivity. My clients have stressed that the council should be held responsible if any antisocial related incidents that occur and to which result in harm to any of their family members, damage to property and the wider neighbouring community. Lastly, my clients consider this proposal to be an incompatible use within what is an established residential neighbourhood and that other alternative and more suitable and sustainable sites should be considered instead. On balance, this is not a well thought through scheme with various weaknesses from a planning perspective and that we urge members to refuse primary provision accordingly. Thank you for your time. Thank you. As I say, because you're reading these on behalf of the objectors, we're not able to ask you questions, so thank you very much for your time. And then we have the agent, Jalpa Patel. You're not Jalpa Patel. Thank you, Brigitte, so if again you know how this works, if you can introduce yourself, you've got to have three minutes to speak and I'll give you a warning when you've got one minute left. Thank you very much. I am Brigitte Chordane, the Director of Children's Social Care and I have had the privilege of leading corporate parenting for the last eight years and I'm very proud of our achievement even more so, since the services to children in care received an outstanding from Ofsted recently in our inspection. The reason why I'm mentioning that is… Yeah, if I could just interrupt you to congratulate you on that, although we have four minutes for the council, but it was outstanding. Thank you. Thank you. The reason why I mention that is because one of the things that they highlighted was that one thing that we do very well is to make sure that our children who need to be in our care are placed at the right places at the right time. And why we need to look at the placement types is because everybody, most people know that there is a national shortage of foster carers and there is also a national shortage or there's a local shortage of placements for children to remain in the local area. And one of the things that we've worked really hard at over the last few years is to make sure that we create local placements and local options for our children that need to be in our care. We have invested a lot in trying to recruit more foster carers, but there is still a need for different types of environments for children. And the reason why we are looking at the children's homes is that sometimes children need to be in a different environment and not a family environment, but we want them to be local. We want them to not have to be placed out of the area and far distances from their connections from their families and from their schools. And the reason why we also want a small children's home is because if we have the children living locally going to local schools, there is a higher, better chance of them returning to their birth families and moving on to foster care if necessary. Barnet has three other children's homes that are run very effectively and have had them for some time. We have had excellent feedback from Ofsted and they're all graded as good. We for this home, we will have three children residing with at least two members of staff at any time, 24 hours of the day. They will attend school and when necessary, if they have to attend other appointments, they will go to the appropriate venues just like any other family. And this will be their family home. This will be their home where they reside, where they are safe and where they can be protected and they can be nurtured. We want to be able to create an environment where they grow and they are encouraged to be part of a community. And that's why we look for a residential home in an area that they deserve to be part of. The home will benefit from being managed by a residential manager who has got 15 years of experience. In the eight years that I've worked with her, I've seen the difference she makes for these children that we have to look after. And finally, I just wanted to say that and to try and give people assurance that the children who need this home are children who need to be protected and they need to be cared for, not because of something they've done, but because of their family circumstances. And they deserve to have the best that we can give them as a local council. And I hope that when you think about this application, you're able to be able to support those children and approve this application. Thank you. Thank you. I'll ask a question but I wonder if you could just confirm the needs and the supervision that these children will get when we've heard and we've read from a large number of objectives living around about who are worried about this facility in their midst and the effect it will have on them and on their families, with children possibly having social behaviour, other things. So how, I'm sure it will be managed properly, but could you explain how that will be managed and also how you will be able to liaise and communicate with neighbours to more get them on side and to understand what's going on? Absolutely. We've spent a lot of time looking at the objections, take them very seriously. We want our children to feel welcomed within the community where they reside. We have a very good track record of actually working very well with the neighbours, you know, because our other children's homes are also in residential areas. They're right there. They're either semi-detached house or detached house in a residential area. And we've worked really hard to make sure that the neighbours and the people around the children's home understand what we're trying to achieve for the children. So the focus age of the children is going to be 11 to 14. They will be in un-care because they can't live with their parents for any number of reasons. This is not a home for youth offending services. It's not a home for youth detention. This is our children that need to be with people who can make sure that they're OK, that they're safe, that they go to school, that they do well at school. We have very experienced residential social workers who will be working with them, who will live with them to make sure that they have the opportunity to have their environment normalised. And what we have alongside them is an expert professional team who they will have access to. We have our therapists, we have our social workers, we have the intervention centre which is a mile away where they will go and they can have contact with their family members in a safe environment. Because one of the things that people were worried about were that families and lots of people would be coming to the home. Actually we do the opposite at children's homes. We make that a secure and sacrosanct place for them so that they feel safe and that they can live in as normal an environment as possible. So they will live with their residential social workers, but when they go and see the other professional network it will be off-site, it will be at other venues, which we do for all our children across our children's homes. Thank you. Questions? Councillor Roberts. I just want to clarify, as far as you're aware, have the other residential homes in Barnet of a similar nature, have they caused problems for local communities? Not at all. Not at all? No. Not at all? So we have two children's homes and they're both six-bed children's homes and then we have another children's home that is a two-bed children's home. We will have some situations where there might be a situation where a child might have a medical condition and then an ambulance might need to be called. We've had that in one of our children's homes. We've had a young person who was quite distressed because of contact with the family and acted out in the children's home but not in terms of damage to neighbours' properties. Kelly. Thank you. In your experience at the other homes that Barnet, sorry, the council operate, have there been instances of children climbing out of first floor windows and escaping? No. Thank you. The staff that work with them are very highly trained. We also match children to the places where they live and the reason why we want to work with a younger group with this children's home is that we don't want to send our young children who can't live at home, we don't want to send them far, you know, 20, 30 miles away from Barnet. We want to keep them within their community. We also know that our schools are incredibly good and are very nurturing to our children so we want to try and keep them at their local schools because that's often very much a safe space for children who are going through trauma. Thank you. Lastly, just one more question. We heard in the objectives that you haven't given any evidence of having looked elsewhere as though you just decided on this place without considering other areas so I wonder if you could just describe the process that went through before we settled on this particular place. Absolutely. So once we received the agreement for capital investment from the council, we went through a series of viewing properties and we've actually, over the period of time, we viewed up to ten different properties. We had to be conscious, first of all, of the public purse because that's my responsibility to make sure that we use the capital investment appropriately and with respect and responsibility so we had a budget, we had to make sure that we bought something that didn't require a great deal of additional work done to it so that when we purchase a property we could actually start using the property quite quickly after purchasing the property. We also wanted to have a look at the area and one of the things that we felt why we wanted to purchase this property is that it's the end of the road, the physical place that is in terms of the corner property, it provides a lot of privacy for the children in the back garden as well as the bedrooms because they are lived after children. It also has a lot of good connections to the other children's homes that will be supporting these children and will be supporting the staff. So it wasn't just, well, here's a house, this is our first choice, let's go, and there was actually quite a lot of consideration and a number of visits to the property by different people before we actually came to the decision to put an offer in. Thank you, anything further? Oh, thank you very much. Any further comments or questions? Otherwise we will go to the vote, officers are recommending this for approval, all those in favour of approval? That's all, this application is approved, thank you very much. And if we can, Councillor Conway is coming back, and we're going to move on to Antian House for a bundle present. Thank you, Chair. So this application relates to Antian House for a bundle present, and the proposal is for a change of use of the existing single family dwelling house to a residential children's care home for free children. This is the site location plan. Just before I carry on with the presentation, I would like to just clarify on page one of the committee report, the relevant site for history relates to Carla House. So there was an application that was submitted this year for Antian House, but there's been some misunderstanding with regards to the address details, so I just want to clarify that there has been no applications for a children's home at Carla House and this was meant to be for Antian House, so I'd like that to be noted. And that was a section 192 application, which is a certificate application, which the applicant sought a deemed consent to say that it would be lawful from C3A to C3B. However, we regarded it as being unlawful because under certificate application, it requires that a residential carer would need to reside at the premises 24 hours, and that should be their living, primary living space. So if that can be noted, please. Thank you. Can you just confirm the previous one that was unlawful? That was for exactly the same. It was exactly the same thing. Yes. Nothing has happened with next door at Carla House. No, there's no applications at Carla House and that is still in single family dwelling house. Thank you. OK, so the existing property is a two story semi-detached four bedroom house. And as I said, the care home would be for three children between the ages of 10 and 17 years of age. So this is the site location and that's the aerial image. So originally this was a detached property and over a period of time it's been subdivided into a pair of semi-detached properties. So the one on the right hand side is Carla House and to the left is the subject property Antion House. Again, site photographs. Members have been out on site visit. So this is the rear elevation and this is the garden. This is the existing and the proposed ground floor plan. So the layout is that there is a reception, one kitchen, dining at ground floor level. And then you have one bedroom and a staff room at first floor level. And then there is two bedrooms within the loft space. So a detailed statement has been provided by the applicant displaying the need for a children's care home as well as detailed schedule of staff and general activities. It's proposed that 10 members of staff will be employed with a maximum of three members of staff at any one time at the premises. So the children will be manned 24 hours a day and between two free shifts changes per day will happen. So most of staff would travel by public transport with the bulk of the children's activities executed internally by staff. We have consulted environmental health, highways officers, NHS and children's services and there have been no objections to the proposed use. Considering its setting as well as information provided by the applicant, the need for a children's care home, albeit at the loss of a residential dwelling, has been identified. The applicant has also confirmed the children's home will house children from Barnet social services. However, their services will also be offered to neighbouring boroughs. The children's care home on balance is considered acceptable in principle and character. With regards to impacts on neighbouring amenity, given the total number of children and staff at any one time, the occupancy level of care home would be the same as that of a residential dwelling house living as one family household, therefore would not result in any over intensification of use of the site. The children's care home would benefit children requiring care. The recommendation is to approve the application. Thank you, chair. We have Stulman Rahman is reading an objection from Jimmy Hakim, I think. Mr Rahman is here. And is there somebody else who wishes to speak on this? Sorry, we have had down here there may be another person, but have we got your name? Is she registered? You're not an objector, you're not registered as a speaker. No, but you haven't put in your objections and said that you're willing to speak, so you're not registered as a speaker, I'm afraid. Jimmy Hakim is registered as an objector and Stulman Rahman is reading his objections. Okay. Is that all right? Is there a difficulty with language or? I have here Mr Rahman is going to speak. As with the previous one, we won't be able to ask your questions because you're speaking on behalf of the objector, Jimmy Hakim. But if you can read his statement, we'll hear that. You have three minutes to read the statement and you'll be given a warning when you have a minute left. Thank you. Yes. Hello, good evening. Thank you very much for giving me a chance to speak. My name is Mr Rahman. I've lived on this random person for 34 years. Jimmy's been my neighbor for 20 years. Mina has been my neighbor for about five, six years now, five years now, you know, we all know each other. It's a nice residential road. The whole road, you know, is single dwelling, single family homes. Yes, I'm for yes. No, Jimmy Hakim. No, no, I'm speaking on behalf of Jimmy Hakim. We've known each other for 20 years. So, you know, very nice road. And the applicants already been using this place as a children's quote children's home for a while now. Right. And it's been an absolute nightmare. You know, a young man has come out of the house, spat on my daughter's car, and she sat there crying, call my son to help her. Right. A young man has come chase my son into our house up to the driveway. You know, the number of time police have come. Right. It's unbelievable. A nice quiet road. It's been a nightmare. There's an alleyway in front of my house. Right. I can see young people from the house, go into the alleyway, buy drugs, go back to the house. One time, a young lady bought some stuff from a dealer into the alleyway that's in front of my house, came and hid behind because they can't take it into the house. She hid behind my car in my driveway. And I have it on CCTV, put foil and put a lighter under it. And I asked my son, what's she doing? And my son said she's doing crack cocaine on our driveway. You know, it's been hell. You know, I don't know what they make out to be. One evening, someone came out of the house and said, we've lost someone. Have you seen this person of such and such a description? She was running up and down the road. You know, people wondering, honestly, the sort of impression they give, you know. You have one minute remaining. Yes. Take this from the last year. It's daily. The police have been there. I've got it in my phone with you every single day. Sorry, don't eat. I know it's around. I can speak. Yes. Sorry. I mean, I said my name is, the police have been there daily. It's a nightmare. People don't have any idea what this means. It's not 10 year old children. It's people bigger than me wandering down the street, you know, at night. They have no control of the situation. You know, I'm living with it. My daughters live with it. My son's been threatened into our house. We're living with it. You know, I don't know what your theories are, but we're living with the reality of it. We didn't pay millions of pounds to live in this street. When we bring this type of people to opposite us, we didn't do that. They can find themselves in our house. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We're not able to speak. You wouldn't live like that. Have you anything more to say on behalf of Mr Hacking? Yeah. He said also it's completely out of character with the road. Okay. Completely. That's time. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. And then we have the applicant, Mr Asefa. No, no, because he was speaking on behalf of the objector, so you can't answer the question. Mr Asefa, would you like to come forward? Again, if you can introduce yourself, then you have three minutes to speak and be given a warning when you have a minute left. Sure. Good evening, everybody. Thank you for having me here. My name is Asefa. I'm the director of the children's home. So I have 10 years of experience in running children's homes. We're an offset regulated good provider. We have probably about five children's homes within London and about 30 other semi-independent placements in and around London, as far down south to up north to Harrow. In regards to the complaints from the gentleman behind the neighbour, we have had no women, no female children in the home, so I'm not sure where they could have come from. So our placements that we've had in the past have been only males. Another incident he mentioned was there were big people adults. We're ASEFA regulated, so we're only allowed to have children within the certain ages that we're permitted to, which is, in our case, 10 to 15-year-olds. So I'm not sure of these incidences. I believe he said his son or somebody was attacked perhaps, or I believe he said somebody was attacked. I've had no police records or incidences or anything like this have come to us. Furthermore, our neighbours directly right next door at the house right next door to us, sorry, excuse me, Carter House, sorry, there are young residents there in a family, two or three sons, and we've had no incidents of them either. That's all I have to say. I'm open for any questions. Questions, Councillor Callick? Yeah, can I just have some clarification? Have you been using this property as a children's home prior to this application? Yes, so prior to this application we have had residents there. And for how long? Probably about a year. Well, I couldn't give you the specific date. I think probably it's going to be January, December 23, January 24. Thank you. Chair? Sorry, Councillor Roberts. Thank you. I think you said you've not had any specific complaints from the police about misbehaviour disruption at this care home. So, what I said was in regards to the attack on the gentleman's son, I believe my understanding was he said his son was attacked or his son was approached, my understanding is what he said, I believe. We've had no complaints in regards to that. We haven't heard anything in regards to that. When we first moved onto the street, we introduced ourselves, I actually did it myself, we introduced myself to my neighbours, myself and my colleague. This is the first two days of moving in. In regards to police, police have been called to the placements in the past by ourselves. I'm not sure if police have been called by neighbours, but police have been called by ourselves and we have had those police cab numbers and this is when we've had to ask the police to move young people and so if any young person has been an issue or concern to the home, we end our placements and ask the police to take them back to social services and that has happened in the past when the child has been a nuisance, no, excuse me, but has caused problems in the home and we have had to, you know, end our contracts. How often has that been the case? That's, I've ended the contract once. Just once? Sorry, twice, twice, two different contracts within that home, yes. So the objector was implying, or seemed to be implying, that this was taking place on a regular basis? So this is, this here was prior six months or seven months, so this is, well, this was up to probably March, February, March and what happened was is we have to do a risk assessment and we decided which type of residence we would like to work with and which type of residence we further don't choose, we don't want to work with, so I'm sure the name was also confirmed. There hasn't been any issues since probably February, March of this year upon our new risk assessment. Mr Barnes? Can I just ask what sort of needs, I mean, it may have changed after your reassessment, but what sort of needs these children do have who you are housing in this property? So moving forward now after our risk assessment, to be clear, so the young people now coming after our risk assessment are typically between 10 and 13 years of age, so once again they're not coming from units, no more secure units, which is where some of them were coming from prior, now it's young people who are not able to live with their parents, have come from domestic violence, domestic violence homes and now taking them in to protect them in in in our homes. That's upon our risk assessment. Okay, Councillor Conway. I'd like to ask you a bit more, so you've been running for about a year, you said, in January the ruling came that this was that you were running amorphously, that you were children's operating, children's home amorphally, but you're still doing it, you haven't ceased between them. So the placements, the placements have been running while the application has been going and we're just waiting for information, because we were told that we should have, to be honest with you, I believe this is the the the application being put on hold by the planner and we was told that we should have got a notification by March gone, so we've just been waiting for the update and only just recently what has been told, it's been pushed the committee now. All right, the application for planning was presented. Yes, yes, because the initial application was was a law for development, was a law for development application, because all our replacements have been law for development, so we had started our law for development application, we were then told that it needs, we need to now go for a full planning application, which we're initially unaware of, which we started and from then we've still been at placement. And are you registered with Ofsted? Yes, we are registered with Ofsted. And what's their view about you, I mean you're probably operating not quite long enough maybe to have an inspection yet, but they must have, you must have had communication with them for your registration, so how's that? So our placements up to now, which are the placements we've now stopped at DOLS, they're DOLS applications, yeah, so on the DOLS applications we were able to run the service without the the application, the Ofsted registration. Quite sure I understand that. My other one is about how you're running it, looking at what you submitted about the activities, the staffing and the activities that are provided. The children who are there seem to be not going to school, but having one hour a day, or is it two hours a day, of educational activity with care staff. So should they not be going to school? What is the situation with the children that you're looking after there? So placements, referrals, excuse me, referrals could come at any time within the year. Academic school would perhaps allow you to come in either September or perhaps in January, so if it's a case where it's in July and we may, let's say for example, if you're taking a referral in July, you can't actually place them until September, so what we do is we would homeschool them until the next entry for schools. Application of the activities that showed them just having educational activity for two hours a day, no schooling, I didn't mention them going to school at all, but they will be going to school. From now they've been registered with schools and they're going to school? So for example, I'll give you a case, so there'll be, for an example, a case would be where a young person may have come during the period, there was no more entries to school, we would then homeschool them until we can get them back into school. What we'll do is calling somebody to come, calling out a tuition to come into the placement and give them tuition within the homes, or activities within the community. Yes, I'm not really clear about all this. What age are the three children, three boys that are there at the moment? Ten to fifteen. Not clear, I'm not sure, but I have no further questions at the moment. Any other questions? Councillor Bond. Would you like me to make anything clear at all? So are these children under 24-hour supervision? Correct, yes. So overnight supervision? Correct, two members of staff. Okay, all right, thank you. Okay, thank you very much. I'm sorry, you're not able to say any more, thank you. If I can ask the officers, if you can clarify about how this, about the operation of this care home, how that reflects on application for planning permission? Well, the operation of the care home is under 24-hour supervision, so there will be, as the gentleman said, two members of staff on the premises throughout day and night. So the children that are in care will be supervised throughout the day and night, basically. I'm not clear that this home is run properly or effectively from what we've heard, but is that something we can take into account in an application for planning or not? Well, as far as we're concerned, it's been running, well, as far as I'm concerned, the application was for proposed use, but it appears, because they say they're providing supervision, although, yeah, that's right, I mean, it appears that the use began when the certificate of application came in, because this application was submitted in January and the certificate was made unlawful in January, so it appears that they've obviously began use back then. But with, I mean, obviously, we wouldn't hear of problems, and we have consulted environmental health, and normally, if there are any issues and complaints from the neighbours, normally they would consult environmental health with regards to unsocial behaviour, but I'm not aware of any unsocial behaviour taking place at the premises. I'm sorry, I can't hear any more from you. Just very briefly, also, the Speaker said it was registered with Ofsted, and so some of the issues you're talking about are potentially Ofsted, the issues that would be reported as regards to management of the home going forward, so your decision tonight relates to any planning issues. So I think you've just answered that, but I've just Googled the Ofsted report on this company, and it requires improvement to be good. Are we saying that we can't take that into account when getting rid of a family, single-dwelling family home on a road, which is generally family, to be taken by a company which, As Ofsted has said, requires improvement to be good? Where does it fall into planning, where does it fall into safeguarding? In my opinion, that doesn't, for example, if it was a school and they needed improving and was at the lot, you wouldn't be refusing the application relating to the school, and it's the same. So I'm not saying it's not an issue, or potential issue, sorry, but it's, as far as I'm concerned, that's for another agency to deal. Yeah, this is where my difficulty comes, because from what we've heard from the Ofsted report, and from the owner and operator of this home, it does appear to be not running very well as a home, and I'm concerned that we give planning permission for operation to a home that isn't running effectively. This is a planning application. It's a planning application, yes. I have concern for the children who live there. And if Brigitte was still here, Director of Children's Services, I think she'll probably say that Barnet would not be placing children in a facility that's only rated as requires improvement. So this is a planning application we're dealing with, and that's it? As I say, we need to decide whether this location is a suitable location for this sort of establishment, and we need to disregard any problems that there may or may not be with the organisation. Sorry, as Councillor Barnes just said, its decision is whether this is a suitable location, or for us. Now, taking into account, can we take into account the occurrences that happened to decide whether this is a suitable location? Yeah, no, sorry. As I said, it is time to off-state, just like it was the education, and I do not think you can. Also, you don't have that evidence in front of you. You've heard from it, and I'm not disputing what was said, but a lot of what was said does not necessarily, or maybe all, relate to the house. That's not a reason for refusal. Those are other issues. Anti-social behaviour can be an issue for the police or other organisations, but it is not necessarily, and I don't think in this case, a planning issue. I think we need to look at the mixed character of the area, and decide whether the change of use would be within keeping with the mixed character. So there are flats and HMOs already existing. It's within very close proximity to public transport, local facilities, the underground station. So the officers consider that this will be in characteristics, although there are residential, but the actual premises will also be used as if it's one single family house, because there wouldn't be any more than six people living together at any one time. So there is no intensification of use of the premises. Thank you. So there's nothing else. We will go to a vote. The officers are recommending approval. All those in favour of approval? Two. Those against? One. Two not voting. So this application is approved. This application has been approved on planning terms. Thank you. Thank you. We have finished with this item. If you heard what was being said, we've carefully considered planning consideration. Thank you. We're going to move on now. The decision has been made. It's now nine o'clock and we're going to move on. I hope you heard from the discussion that you're not. It's five, eight minutes past now. I'm going to take a very brief comfort break for three minutes. Good evening all. Hello. Good evening all. So this application is that Edgware-Hedbury Road proposing variations of condition four related to the levels of a grant of permission for an 18-hole golf course. So the amendments are due to, you know, safety reasons, so they require slight alterations to holes six, eight, nine and 18. So the application outline boundary is this area here. It used to be a mix of arable farmland and now it's, you know, the implement, the grant of permission has been implemented in so far as that ground works and excavation works have taken place. So the scheme is extended. So this is a site photograph facing south, which is in the top portion of the site here where that pond is, if you can see that there. This is facing west towards the A41. Just for context, sorry, the site is bounded by the M1 to the north, Edgware way to the west, facing east. So on the drawings here on the left, this is part of the approved application. On the right is the current proposal. So you can see some slight cosmetic changes, namely the ponds, but there are some level changes that take place across the cross section of the site. I mean, the variations are minor to the degree you can barely distinguish between proposed levels and the approved levels. So the red line at the top of the screen there, that is the proposed and in and amongst it, you can, the approved one is there as well. Variations are minor, but sufficient enough to require planning permission. So this cross section here follows this line across the site. So no changes have taken place to the approved application. So the scheme of the principle of the golf course is acceptable. No changes there, no impacts and neighboring a mean scene. Additional information was required in terms of ecological information, but that's been provided and that will be conditioned to ensure compliance. No objections raised by internal or external consultees. So we are recommending approval subject to a deterioration, which is to basically transfer the legal, the heads of terms, the legal agreement into this current application. So that legal agreement included the travel plan of which the monitoring contribution has already been paid in full, ecological information, which I just mentioned earlier. And alongside that, what is it? It's to ensure, so there was an equestrian business on site and as part of that, they needed to secure a suitable location and an associated lease. So they fulfilled that and have agreed to that to 2029. So as such, we are recommending approval subject to a legal agreement. Does anyone have any questions? Thank you. We have one speaker on this, Robert Husband. Mr Husband is here? No? Therefore the applicant is not here or the agent. So have members any questions or comments to make on this? Otherwise, we will go straight to the vote. The office's recommendation is for approval. All those in favour of approval. That's all. This application is approved. Thank you very much. And the next item is Roman House. Thank you, Chair. The application is for Roman House, which is a four-storey building at 296 Golders Green Road. It's currently in use partly as offices, but also as a health medical facility run by HCA Healthcare in conjunction with the Wellington Hospital, whose main base is in St. John's Wood. The proposal is a part four, part five-storey side and rear extension to continue the medical use as an additional storey on top of the existing building together with associated works. So this is the location plan. So this is the North Circular up here. So it's one of the first buildings on the left as you come away from the North Circular. This is the building here. Backs onto these blocks of flats at James, close to the rear here. And Riverside is a block of flats on this side. Opposite, there's a redevelopment to provide a new synagogue. And then this is 125 Princes Parade, which has also got planning permission for redevelopment up to four or five storeys. The site here is the site of 290294 Golders Green Road, which has permission for development of 111 flats. As far as I'm aware, work has not yet started on that scheme. So as you can see, the context are, as we saw on site yesterday, four-storey buildings are the norm in the area. So here we go, this is Riverside Drive here. Block of flats, that's the North Circular. And this is the front view of the existing house. And these are the blocks at St. James Court to the rear. Along here, you'll see this treed verge at the rear of the site. That's the decoy brook. And in fact, that part of the site lies within flood zone three. These are some site photographs here. So this is the entrance of the site. This is the building, car park, and this is the relationship to Riverside Drive flats. And that's a view from inside the site, looking to the rear. Photograph of the front showing existing disabled parking spaces. And a view from standing in the rear, looking back up towards Golders Green Road. As you can see, the site slopes from south to north. That's the current entrance. And that's the rear context, looking back up towards Golders Green Road. This is the building. And then this is Riverside Drive. You can see number of windows and balconies which serve those blocks of flats. This is the existing elevation. This is just an example of or image of the approved development next door, which I say hasn't yet commenced. But you can see the relative scales of the adjoining sites. That's the side elevation facing Riverside Drive. And the rear elevation with the brook at the back. The existing lower ground floor, which has got accommodation towards the rear here. And the parking area, this shows you Decoy Brook. And that existing treed verge, which provides a buffer zone to the brook. And the existing ground floor, first and second, third and fourth floors. And the roof plan. So the proposed building. So this is the additional floor, which would be put on top of the existing building. Then this is the four-storey extension to the side, which also wraps around to the rear. But again, you can see it would step up from the property on the left-hand side at Riverside, but would still be lower than the approved development next door. So this would be the side elevation facing Riverside Drive. It's easier to see from the floor plan, but the actual side extension here is set back from the front of the building. So it has a more subservient appearance from the front. These windows here would all be obscure glazed. There's no possibility of overlooking of the Riverside Drive flats and balconies. This is the rear elevation that you see from James Close, although there is a quite significant tree screen along the back boundary here. This is the proposed lower ground. So this is the existing building here. And this is the proposed lower ground, which has sort of service accommodation. It's also going to have below, if I go up to ground floor, the car parking area, which is going to be on a raised deck at the back to try and minimize digging and foundations within the buffer zone alongside the brook. But the ground floor, obviously, for the main building here, the new accommodation, and then the parking area and the servicing arrangements to serve the new building. So in terms of appearance and design, this is the original, quite an unusual shaped building. This is mirrored in the new building to try and articulate this elevation. So it's not just a blank elevation, sort of similar recessed areas and cut-ins have been accommodated as on the existing building. So this is the proposed first and second floor. Similarly, this is the third floor and a void area is retained out here between the two buildings. And this is the fourth floor. And then as we go up to the top level, there's that new fifth floor. Sorry, that's the fifth floor, which is on the existing building only. The new extension to the side and rear is up to four floors. So this is a CGI. So the red brick is the existing building. This is the new building, which would be in a buff brick, so a bit of a contrast. As I said, it's set back from the front elevation, so it appears more subordinate to the main house rather than bringing it up, the main building, rather than bringing it up in line with the front elevation. And this area here is that additional story to be built on top of the existing building. And the two roof elements will be bronze, zinc, clad, and that will tie the two buildings together at roof level. And that's another CGI, as you see from Golders Green Road on the opposite side of the road. Again, showing the unbuilt development next door to this side and the existing riverside flats to this side. And that's a view of the side extension. So the key considerations are that the building is lawfully in use for medical and healthcare use. It's essentially a diagnostic and a centre providing outpatient facilities, physiotherapy, cardiology, various services. It's obviously run privately, but takes a lot of patients from the Wellington Hospital in St. John's Wood. This is effective. There's a kind of outpatient department, so there's no A&E, there's no acute services here, no ambulances or anything like that going in and out. It's just for outpatient appointments. There's no loss in commercial floor space, obviously, and there's no proposed in principle objection to increasing the floor space for this much needed facility. One of the other opportunities it creates is to relocate a very local NHS GP surgery from Finchley Road who have outgrown their building and need to relocate. They can be accommodated in this building. And it would also accommodate the increased demand for the services provided by the centre as set out by the Wellington Hospital in letters of support for the application. The side extension is set back, set down, appears subordinate, although obviously it's a large extension, it does appear subordinate in scale to the existing building when seen from the road frontage. There are no extensions on the side of the building adjacent to Golders Green, building next door at 290. The side extension is set away by a minimum of 15.7 metres at ground floor, extending up to 17 on the upper floors from Riverside Drive, which provides, officers consider, provides adequate separation between those buildings so as to maintain outlook for Riverside Drive residents. And at the rear, there's a buffer of nearly 18 metres between the proposal and nearest building at Jane's Close. Sunlight and daylight report was submitted, which shows negligible or very insignificant impacts to a very small number of windows, particularly at Riverside Drive, but not considered to be, have caused significant detriment to the light experienced by those residents. If I can just draw members attention to the addendum, which contains the original recommendation one, which requires a legal agreement for travel plan contributions, review of CPZ contributions, which have been recommended by the highways officers and also a carbon offset contribution. Thank you. Thank you. We have one speaker on this, Daniel Austin, if you'd like to turn your microphone on, there's a picture of the face. If you can introduce yourself, you have three minutes to speak. You'll be given a warning when you have one minute left. Yes, I'm Daniel Austin. I've lived at five James Close for the last 32 years. So I've got quite a good memory of the developers. This is not a new issue. The developers think developers have been trying their utmost to develop the land as much as possible and put up the biggest possible building they can get away with. From my flat at the rear of the building, the proposed site, it's five James Close, I will lose probably about two hours of sunshine into my flat during the summer. During the winter, the sun doesn't get high enough. Together with the development proposal of 292 Golders Green Road, there will be what would look like a complete overdevelopment and a brick wall around the semicircular site of James Close. I'm also worried that the development intrudes on the brook, which is subject to flooding, decoy brook. There is a legal covenant whereby the developers are not allowed to develop within two to three meters of the top of the bank, not the water, the top of the bank of the brook, because our block of flats sold the land to the current developers some decades ago. If you look back through the history of Roman House developments, you'll know that we've basically been opposing their developments and proposals for the last 25 years, certainly since, well, in my memory. I'm also old enough to remember, I've lived long enough to remember the original residents told me some time ago that the top floor of Roman House and the unusual shape of Roman House, which was alluded to by the planning officer, is due to the fact that when they were given permission to put up Roman House, the developer or the owner simply ignored the three-story proposal. It was originally meant to be three stories, Roman House. They simply ignored all the council prohibitions and went and stuck another fourth story on top of the building. I don't object completely to the development, actually. I've used a Wellington House, I've actually used the services in there. I'm just worried about the fact that it encroaches on the brook. That's time, thank you. And if they could just move it back a bit, thanks. Any questions, Councillor Conway? The report mentions that a daylight sunlight overshadowing report has been undertaken and that is negligible. Any losses negligible? Well, nobody's contacted me and there's been nobody on my balcony or on my neighbour's balconies, as far as I'm concerned. The report only mentions Riverside Drive, it doesn't mention the developer, the developing officers, I don't think has visited James Close and she hasn't mentioned loss of light or James Close. You've mentioned at the moment you only get two hours sunlight during the winter. I don't get any sunlight in winter because the sun's too low. Right, so this is going to make things worse, you're saying? Well, in summer and I keep a lot of flowers on my balcony, truthable as it may be, but it is nice to have the sun at least for six months of the year, March to September shining into my room. Can you show us exactly where you are? I've got two blocks there. Have you got a pointless stick? Yeah, not that block, the next block, that's it and I'm facing south west towards Roman House and I've seen all the... Which floor are you on? I'm on the first floor at the rear, not the ground but the first floor. Facing that way? Facing south west, yeah, so it will go, I look right at Roman House. There's a brook and a lot of trees and greenery between but you still think that that's going to impact on you? Yeah, and on the gardens of James Close. I've no real objection to the development other than the fact that it just needs to be shifted back a bit. Okay, thank you. Thank you very much. Then we have the agent of Lewis Westhoff. Thank you Mr Westhoff and again if you can introduce yourself, you have three minutes to speak and we'll give you a warning when you have one minute left. Yeah, my name is Lewis Westhoff, I'm the planning agent and I work at a company called Icini Projects. Firstly, thank you all for your time. I'm absolutely delighted to speak this evening in support of this planning application for Roman House. It's been a privilege to work on this project with the applicant, the wider design team and most importantly with officers throughout the council through a very detailed pre-application process and assessment process and this is Colmette and us being here this evening to discuss a project that we're all really enthusiastic about and one that if it's granted planning commission will deliver a significant number of planning benefits, particularly to the health and well-being of the local community. The applicant of this project is Mr David Rosenberg. He's a local resident and business owner and has really made it his personal mission to see Roman House become a medical facility and centre of excellence. He's been working very closely with the principal tenant HCA Healthcare or the Wellington Hospital, as officers mentioned, to expand and operate their diagnostic centre on site since 2006. It's now a real success story and it's done some great things for the local community throughout COVID and again and it's great that they wish to stay on site in the future and his passion and drive is really why we're here this evening. The proposal that we've prepared will really cater for the long-term needs of the Wellington Hospital on site. It'll provide some fit-for-purpose modern space but more importantly, as officers mentioned too, it'll enable Dr Adler to relocate on site as well and provide them with some real purpose-built facilities as well and ideally that's going to be closer to his existing catchment of patients. So the scheme we've designed will cater for both public and private services and we see this as a scheme. It's going to benefit all walks of the community but it's not only these great benefits that the scheme will deliver. We've also sought to go above and beyond in many other ways in terms of planning policy. You have one minute remaining. Thank you. We're delivering an architectural approach that is context-driven with high quality materials and the use of appropriate setbacks and design measures to protect the immunity of our neighbours. We have done a detailed daylight sunlight report that has considered James close both with this scheme and the extant scheme next door. We're retaining all trees on site and complementing this with 65 new trees, shrubs and other planting to improve biodiversity and ecology outcomes on site. We're delivering an open greening factor of 0.43 and a biodiversity net gain in excess of 12%. We've also thought about the immunity of our closer neighbours on Riverside Drive. We've looked at providing some obscure glazing on those windows too to ensure an appropriate relationship is there and parking's obviously been another consideration too and we've delivered a parking quantum on site that's specifically based on the proposed operation of the facility and we're also providing dedicated pick-up and drop-off facilities at the front of the site too. That's time, thank you. Thank you. I'm happy to answer any other questions you have. Okay, thank you. One of the concerns from this objection and from others who've written in is about the brook, being so close to the brook. So I wonder if you could comment on the effects of that and the motivation of any flooding risk. Yeah, so we've worked very closely with some engineers from Davies Maguire and they've been engaging very closely with the local lead flood authority on that. We specifically engage with them during the pre-application process because that rear 20% of the site is flood zone 3 which was mentioned before too. We've been very careful about what sort of works would happen at the rear of the site too and one of the things that the LLFA told us to do was to ensure that we have a five meter buffer zone which you can see in this image here which is denoted by that sort of red hatch. So all of our buildings at that lower ground floor or ground floor if you're at the rear of the site is set back from that buffer zone and I think one of the other real positives of this scheme too is we've designed a really excellent sub-scheme on site too. So we've really thought about how we can control surface water runoff and ensure that flood risk on other properties will be improved. So we've got a series of attenuation tanks which you can see there with that sort of blue hatched area in the car park there. We've got blue roofs, green roofs and additional landscaping too and it will actually deliver 92% betterment than the current situation on site in terms of flood risk and runoff so that's something that we're very proud of. So there is a five meter buffer zone. We heard there should be three meters but there is five meters. That's correct yeah and we've sort of verified that through some detailed survey information as well so we're very confident about that. And then I note that for Riverside Drive you have all of the obscure glazed windows on that side so it's not going to affect if that's in Riverside Drive. But the rear there, as you've seen from James Close, especially with the new block that's going up at some point next door whenever they get back to carrying out their planning commission, it does look as though it's going to be enclosing and affecting James Close a lot so one of you comment a bit more on that. Yeah well I mean we've thought very closely about James Close and all of our neighbours really in designing the scape so I think the closest point which is the sort of the real sort of pointy end of James Close is about 17.7 meters in terms of separation distances and I think it's about 21 meters to the closest balcony so there is quite a large I suppose separation already if you sort of measure it on plan but I think members you've all been on on site as well it is a very very dense and verdant green buffer that will be retained as well so there is that that natural separation that's there. Daylight sunlight's been very very important as well as we mentioned we've really thought carefully about how the scheme can how we can optimize the scheme whilst protecting the amenity so as I said we did a detailed report for James Close in particular considering just this scheme in isolation but also with the scheme next door at 290 to 294 and it achieved 100% BRE compliance so we think that the scheme has a very appropriate relationship with James Close to the rear and the amenity of those residents and the gentleman that spoke earlier will be will be retained. Where are the new trees you can be planting because we're taking some down along that bank presumably. Yep so yeah so a combination really I think perhaps if so there's a couple of things if you allow me to indulge you too in terms of what we what we did in some of the early iterations so the car parking deck that sort of runs along the western boundary we previously proposed to continue that at grade but if we wanted to provide new surface in there it would have unfortunately meant those trees along the boundary would have to be removed because those routes would be impacted so we came up with an engineering solution to to kind of keep that that ramp going and all of those trees can be retained so by doing that there's been the ability to plant some additional trees along along that boundary. Along the rear of the site as well there's some existing kind of shrubs that would be sort of removed and replaced and retained there'd be some additional planting along the eastern boundary and I think maybe if we're able to get a CGI up to lots of new landscaping along the frontage of the site too so the current front of the site is is pretty poor it has sort of bins there and quite an ugly gate so we've actually designed a nice sort of hard and soft landscape frontage there to the to the site too so yeah so we've sort of maximized as much as we can and and on the roofs as well where we've been able to we've provided green roofs and blue roofs as well and also managed to squeeze some PV panels on there too. A couple of us were wondering about what's a blue roof, you know what a green roof is, so what's blue? So it's a very good question, the way it was I'm not an engineer but the way it was explained to me was you've effectively got a green roof which probably you're all aware of too and underneath that was almost kind of like an eggshell type not so an egg carton type situation so that sits on the roof and then the the green roof sits on top so when the water slowly filters through the green roof it then sits in kind of the if you imagine your carton of eggs with the eggs out the water would sit there and that would kind of slow the release of water leaving the site so it's very it's very it's very you know it's a very interesting kind of model too and I've been told it really helps with the thermal performance of buildings too because axe is a bit of a an additional kind of insulation layer too. I'm wondering if it was a lake or a swimming pool on the roof or something. A bit more engineering in it than that. Yes the final question, is there something about GP surgery using it? Is this going to be an IHS GP surgery and has has an agreement been you don't have to say which surgery it is but yes has that been? Yes so yes I'm happy to sort of mention it too so Dr Adler sort of is about half a mile away on Finchley Road, he's in a converted semi-detached house with no disabled access, no pick-up drop-off facilities or anything like that whatsoever so as part of this scheme as I mentioned the applicants got a good relationship sort of locally too and we're providing space within the scheme for them to relocate here so they'll now have the proper modern facilities, disabled access, proper pick-up and drop-off for those who need to get here and it would also remain in a within walking distance for the majority of patients and there was a bit of a straw poll that was done by Dr Adler too and I've been told that the majority of the patients would actually live closer to Roman House and the current Finchley Road site. It's going to have a community benefit very much as well, thank you very much. Yes any further questions? Sorry I've been asking a lot, no thank you very much. Any further comments, questions, the officers? No if we go to the vote on that one then the officers recommendations for approval all those in favour of approval that's all that application is approved. I'll try and do at least one more before we say we're going to move on so the next one is one definitely closed see if we can start by 10 o'clock and move on. Thank you chair. This item relates to number one definitely close it's part of the Dolice Valley redevelopment site which is complete. The proposal is for shall I carry on? The proposal is for part single part two storey rear extension. The members have also been out on the site visit. This is the site location plan and this is the aerial photograph of when the development was actually under construction. Unfortunately google images don't give us the complete development as it's fairly new. This is the proposed block plan and that's where the extension is going so this is the house that's the site. This is Brent Place on the right hand side and Aphrodite Court apartments to the left. Site photographs this is facing onto Brent Place. This one again faces onto Brent Place. Brent Place is sited at a higher level and the application site is at a lower level. This is the rear elevation of the property and this is the front elevation of the property. So there's more site photographs so we have Aphrodite Court Apartments which is the fair distance away from the boundary of the application site and again this is the sort of facing to the rear part of Aphrodite Court Apartments and same with this. So these are the existing and proposed ground floor plans so that's the existing and the proposal is to extend 3.8 meters deep and across 15.9 meters wide which is across the whole width of the property with a flat roof design approximately 3.2 meters high. This is the first floor planned. This is the existing and the first floor again would be 3.8 meters deep and it's 5.3 meters wide. Existing and proposed rear elevations. This is where the first floor extension is. It's 5.9 meters to east side and it's approximately 6.4 meters to the overall pitch. The officers have consulted with the design team and is the view of the officers that the design of the proposal relates well to the existing dwelling house. There has been objections where Brent Place has sort of objected with regards to overlooking and loss of privacy. There is a new window that's been proposed within the first floor elevation facing Brent Place. However, yes this is the elevation that faces onto Brent Place. There is an existing window that's facing Brent Place and as I said earlier on the sighting of Brent Place is at a higher level and this is the lower level so there would be no overlooking and the existing window is already there. There's no overlooking from that so the actual proposed window would go in the flank elevation of the first floor first floor extension. Okay, it is noted that there has been a tree that's been felled which was part of the original development which was considered to be kept. However, unfortunately that's been felled but there is a condition that's attached to this permission if the members are minded to approve the application this evening that there is a condition will be attached for replacement planting an appropriate size the tree will be planted in the rear garden to replace what's been lost basically. So just to run through the powerpoint slide proposed side elevations and this is the additional window that's looking towards the second floor. That's looking towards Brent Place that's the existing so there will be no additional adverse overlooking impacts to those residential properties cited on Brent Place. Okay, so just to summarize the overall design works well with the main house which the main house is of a modern alternative nature. It's considered that it would add architectural interest to the rear renovation by having a pitch roof. The extension would be suited for distance by 4.3 meters from the boundary of numbers 38 and 38A Brent Place which are as I said on a higher level thus it would not lead to a loss of light or overshadowing or overlooking and a car park courtyard buffer zone measuring at least 10.6 meters would separate between the proposal and aphrodite to court apartments with views towards them through the proposed first of all window achieved at limited oblique angles. The officers recommend approval subject to conditions. Thank you. Thank you. We have one speaker Mr. Correa. No it's not here or the agent Ankit Patel. Mr. Patel if you could switch the microphone on there's a button with a face on it. It's difficult to see it. Oh of course sorry. If you can introduce yourself you have three minutes to speak and we'll let you give it a warning when you have one minute left. All right sure thank you. Good evening. Before I move to the main topic of this rear extension I would just like to clarify one thing about the tree. The tree was removed after getting permission from council. Once we had the go ahead. So I was talking about the tree which was removed which is the main cause of comments which received the objections. Now the tree was removed after getting the permission from the council. Now many of the complaints they think that it was removed to make space for this rear extension but that was not the case. The tree was already faltering and in December last year one of the branches no clues and it was almost fell on the shoulder of his son was playing in the garden. That's when the owners decided to get rid of the tree. Now coming back to the extensions well I don't have much to say as you have said about the elevations and the distance from the proposed extension to the to the adjacent flats. You can see that the proposal it harmonizes nicely with the existing elevations. The extension by no means hinders anyone's light or view. Yeah so that's it nothing more if you have any questions. Well thank you any questions? No thank you very much. Any further questions or comments the officers? No should we go to the vote then the officer's recommendations for approval all those in favor of approval that's all that application is approved. We have two items left and it's five to ten. The constitution says that these meetings should finish at ten but I'm authorizing that we can go on until a maximum of ten thirty. So the next item is 811 High Road. Hi good evening so I'm here to present an application for change of use of retail unit into new restaurants and one smaller retail unit at 811 High Road. So the application side concerns the ground floor commercial unit of a three-story building formerly occupied by Flying Tiger. The application site is within the town center is designated as primary retail frontage. The application site is also identified as a retail zone in the North Finchley town center framework. So here's the site photo showing the front, rear and internal. So following the committee members visit on the 2nd of September it was observed that the dividing wall has been erected inside the proposed restaurant which appeared to have subdivided a unit. The applicant has confirmed that this wall will be removed in the event of approval. So members are minded that there is a format position on the previous approved scheme to simplify the existing Class E into two Class E units in which the principle of the development is considered acceptable. Therefore the key considerations is that for this application is the impact of the proposed restaurant with the re-adducting in terms of characters, neighbors amenities, highway and waste management. So this is the layout and the proposed proposal will lead to the subdivision of the existing 160 square meter unit into two smaller units of 47 square meter supermarket and a 55 square meter restaurant. And this is the front elevation and the short alterations to the short front is deemed acceptable. And the adducting would be placed on the southern block of the building where the red arrow is and it's 1.5 meter taller than the ridge line but it's quite a 25 meter away from the front facade which is not quite feasible and therefore the adducting would not look disproportionately in scale massing and design. So the impact on neighbors amenities. So it is noted that the adducting would be located near to the residential flats above but our environmental health offices has viewed the noise impact assessment and the order management plan and it was deemed acceptable subject to conditions. And it's also the opening hours of the shops and the restaurant would be controlled and there would not be any seating arrangement for the restaurants. So therefore we just want to reiterate that we have got a follow-up position on the previous approved schemes and we noted that there's a lot of concerns related to the introduction of hot food takeaway and that would lead to unhealthy diet but this proposal is not for hot food takeaway as it will fall into a sui generis use class and if they would like to have hot food takeaway they have to submit a further plan application for it. So therefore the application is recommended for approval subject to conditions. Thank you. Do you have one speaker? Oh no it's just the applicant. No objectives. The applicant are all there Sam. If you can turn the microphone on there's a face image. Can you see the face? That's it. That's one. Introduce yourself and you have three minutes to speak and you'll be given a warning when you have one minute left. Hi my name is Arun Nesan. I'm the owner and director of Bus Periperi Limited. This application was originally filed back in December then it was requested for withdrawal due to the application wouldn't be successful but then we reapplied with all the recommendation from the council being modified and in terms of the extraction ducting the ductings will only have outer layer the there will be no noise there as the silencer will be installed and there will be no any pollutions or any sort because there will be filters and everything which will be installed inside the shop and so there will be no mess no noise any any disturbance to neighbors in any way as well as in terms of the food the business is proposed for a healthy periperi grilled food not there's not any oil involved in terms of the side of it just a healthy alternative food for the high street and this business approval will provide at least 15 to 20 jobs for the locals and yep and the approval means it's good for the community and then the area there's no harm in any way for any any reason and thank you for the opportunity and i'm happy to answer any questions thank you any questions no it was it was very useful having the site that yesterday and seeing what's being done there so i think we we saw a lot of what we need to see thank you very much thank you um can i can i just confirm with you when you say no takeaway i mean it's mostly a restaurant to sit down and eat restaurant but they will be doing takeaway as well that's that's allowed so when we consider restaurant normally they will do take away but we've got seating so uh the premises would be majority providing uh seats for customers that's why we were not considered as a hot food takeaway and also the the um condition seven about it should have no seating arrangement we were told verbally that meant seating outside on the pavement rather than inside right correct that'll be clarified it's not it's not clear um correct i think the conditions could be amended uh as external out um seatings that could be amended yeah thank you i think that needs to be clear thank you any further questions or comments no then we'll go to the vote on that one the offices recommend approval all those in favor that's all that application is approved and we now go to the last item 138 high road hi um so i'm here to present the application at 138 high road for the conversion of existing building into three self-contained units flats including first and second floor extension so previous application were refused at the committee for the conversion of existing building into three units already but this scheme is currently cut at the the previous refusal scheme is currently contested at appeal and this resubmission has reduced in size and number of total occupants which would be discussed at later section so this application site is on the eastern side of the high road near a junction of the lestus road and is within east finchley world the property is comprised of a commercial use for a Thai restaurant formerly and now it's vacant so this is the existing and proposed block plan and some aerial photos and site photos internally and externally so this is the site product taken on the first floor on the neighbors to the right which is number one three six eight and um offices were not able to gain access to what our number one three six b on the second floor but this photo was extracted from the previous application and looked at that number one three six a and b were not considered a fully functioned self-contained unit as they shared a communal bathroom so there are two reasons that was refused at the committee previously is due to the character and impacted neighbors and also failed to enter a legal agreement to mitigate the highways and car parking impacts of the proposed development so i'm here to um try to compare the two schemes so previously um there is two number of two-bedroom three-person units eight person in total and now the current scheme would be uh providing for three one-bat two-person units which leave about six person so this is the comparison between on the ground floor and the existing one the previous refusal one and the current scheme so that's not much of the changes on the ground floor level but on the first floor you can tell there's a set in by two meter on the side and the rebuilding line is project up to the one aligned to number one four zero and this rooftop roof level is the same set in from by two meter on the side and aligned to the boundary of 140 and no changes to the front compared to the previous refusal scheme but you can tell from the rear the size and um it's significantly reduced and this is the section plan comparison so um officers are considered that the proposal has reduced in size and depth and numbers of occupants and that um there are dual expect nature of the kitchen in the first floor flat and on balance that that would be fine as acceptable level of outlook and light to the neighbors and in terms of the previous concern on poor amenity for the occupants it's noted that that's um the first floor and second floor internal space are measured 55 square meter which is five square meter more than the required internal space so plus there's no existing um accommodation which has benefited from outdoor amenities space therefore uh on balance we find that um this application is recommended for approval subject to conditions thank you thank you we have no speaker on here on this one but there's just the agent mr hill thank you again if you can turn the microphone on there's a place and then introduce yourself you have three minutes to speak and be given a warning when you have one minute left um my name is chris i'm a senior architectural designer working at dpa architects the agent for the plan application i'd like to thank the chair for giving me the opportunity to address you this evening as explained by the plan officer this application seeks to extend and partially convert this building and thereby create three self-contained one bedroom flats under these proposals part of the existing ground floor restaurant would be retained but only as class e to use as a sort of suitable small retail union while preparing the second application we listen carefully to the concerns and specific requests raised by your officers alongside those arising out of public consultation we then went on to amend design to suit these concerns and requests the goal of these amendments was to address these concerns to provide additional information as appropriate the outcome of the process of collaboration with the council is a scheme which addresses all the local national plan policies and which will deliver new homes in the borough whilst at the same time safeguarding the amenities of the occupiers of the neighboring flats in terms of design as noted within the plan officer's report the extension would be in keeping with the previously approved extensions to the other properties adjacent in response to the concerns raised by neighboring residents the planning officer an assessment of daylight and sunlight was undertaken which confirmed there would be no loss of light to the residents within 140 high road the main amendment to the previous scheme was to reduce the width of the gap between our proposed rear extension and 136 and 136b as the plan officer's report notes the separation between the proposed flats and the commercial yoga studio to the rear is such that there'll be no material harm to the amenity plan officers given responses to public consultation comments in addition to those responses i would like to point out that should planning permission be granted development will proceed in accordance with other relevant areas of legislation including the party wall act building regulations this will provide additional safeguards relevant to concerns raised including matters such as sewage means of access erection scaffolding and dust control confirmed the applicant is content to accept the terms of proposed recommendation to grant plan commission he's happy to comply with the proposed section 106 agreement which will fund measures necessary to prevent future occupiers of the scheme from using parking bays within the controlled residence parking zone he's also happy to comply with all the other drafted planning conditions the applicants asked me to use this opportunity to explain the history of the site and the reasons for this development the building was purchased by the applicant's father in the late in the 1960s it's always been difficult shop to lease due to its size as well as the inclusion of the upper floors many businesses have struggled to survive in this location the last two businesses failed due to the fact the upper floors included within the lease can only be accessed through the shop and they're therefore unable to be utilized the applicants aim is not to maximize the value of the cyber cramming in as many flats as possible but many to make this site work a smaller number of flats a smaller more easily less will shop will allow this building to remain in the family into the future will bring back to life what is at the moment essentially a dilapidated shell of a building whilst at the same time supplying high quality accommodation that's time thank you thank you if you can wait see if there's any questions no no questions thank you uh any questions the officers or comments i'd like to comment i'm i'm the ward councillor for this one and i was also on the committee that refused the last application so looking at this application there's certainly an improvement to taking it away from 136 although there is still some effect i think on the windows especially the top window but i am still concerned about the ground floor the extension on the ground floor which means that there's very little space at the back and i think that's that's just uh congested and overdeveloped at the back so i'm inclined to say that this is still an overdevelopment of this site that's my opinion anybody else wants to say anything could you clarify the space between the end of the building and the boundary wall the distance right thank you for your question so and you could tell um the the the rear building line is actually having two to three point seven meter away from the oh sorry yeah sorry i was using my own mouth but yet this bit is about 3.7 meter deep and this um rear building line they have a two meter gap so in total the real um amenity space is 15 square meter which comfort comfortably exceed the london plan requirement thank you thank you there's no more comments or questions we'll go to the vote on that one the officer's recommendation is for approval all those in favor of approval there's four and against one the application is approved and that's it at ten past ten not too bad that's all the agenda for tonight thank you very much
Transcript
Good evening everybody. It's gone seven o'clock so we're going to start the meeting now. I'm
Councillor Claire Farrier and I'm Chair of this planning committee. Thank you all for
attending this evening and I will ask all members of the committee to introduce themselves,
followed by the planning officers and the legal officer and governance. As I say, I'm
Councillor Claire Farrier, I'm a Councillor for East Finchley Ward and I chair the committee.
So if you can, Councillor Barnes, you can start. Good evening, I'm Councillor Richard
Barnes. Good evening, I'm Councillor Tim Robertson, Underhill Ward. Good evening, I'm
Councillor Moin Colin, Collindale South Ward. Good evening, Councillor Joshua Conway, Hendon
Ward. And there is one more member who has not arrived yet, Councillor Simberg, hopefully
will be here shortly, but he's missing the meeting. We've gone to the officers. Good
evening, John Sperling, Senior Planner. Good evening, I'm Heidi Oskar, Planning Manager.
Edie Flohr, Senior Planner. Good evening, I'm Leslie Feldman, Planning Manager. Good
evening, I'm Andrew Turner, Senior Planner. Good evening, everybody, I'm Jimmy Walsh,
the legal advisor to the committee. Good evening, we ask that you remain seated throughout the
meeting unless you are called to the table to speak on any particular item. Please note
that this meeting is being recorded and it's being broadcast and this is allowed for in
normal by the Council. So by attending, either in person or those who are attending online,
you may be picked up on recordings. Council recordings are covered by our privacy notice
and that can be found on the website at bonnet.gov.uk. The way this works is that I will ask the
Planning Officer to present each item, following which each speaker will have three minutes
to put their case to the committee and the Governance Officer will inform you when you
have one minute left and then we ask you to stay because we may have questions to ask
you, following which we'll have a discussion in the committee and then determine whether
we approve or not of the application and this will be announced to you. We'll explain when
you come to the table. If you haven't been here before, if you come to the table, there's
a button to turn the mic on, it's like a face with speech signs coming out of it. If there's
more than one microphone at a time, we sometimes get feedback, so let me ask you to turn the
microphone off when you finish speaking. Right, so a slight change on the agenda. The first
item will be, as is on the agenda, the land of 49 and 51 Burystd Avenue and then we're
going to hear item 12 on the agenda, 61 Finchley Lane and then 49 St. James's Avenue and then
Antion House. I hope that makes sense to everybody here to speak on those. Now, with regard to
item 8, St. James's Avenue, this is an application really by Barnet Council for a children's
for a new children's home. So, of course, we are members of the council, all people
on the committee members of the council. As members of the council, we are all in the
position of corporate parents to children who are in care with Barnet. And we have a
duty to support our looked after children. Two of us are also on the corporate parent
advisory in groups. We were aware that this premises had been purchased, but we had no
say in the decision about that. We were just informed about it. So just to assure you that
we are all approaching this with an open mind, we will hear the presentations. We've read
the relevant information and we'll make our decision based on that. So is that all right
with everybody in the committee? Did you want to say anything else, Councillor Conway? That
one? OK. Right. So we go on to absence of members. Council Greenspan is being substituted
by Councillor Stenberg, who, as I say, has not quite come yet. Any other declaration
of interests? No. No dispensations granted by the monitoring officer. An addendum to
the agenda was published this afternoon. I think everybody has had a chance to see that.
The minutes of the last meeting, the first item on the agenda. Have we all read and agreed
the minutes? Yep. I'll just sign the minutes. And then we go straight on to the first item,
which is the land at 49 and 51 Beresford Avenue. The officers could present that item. Good
evening, councillors. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. First of all, can I just confirm
that everyone's able to hear me? Yeah. Excellent. So good evening. I'll be presenting land at
49 and 51 Beresford Avenue. The application is for the reserve matters application in
respect of details relating to landscaping pursuant to condition three attached to planning
permission for the demolition of part of number 51 Beresford Avenue and the erection of six
semi-detached dwellings on land at 49 and 51 Beresford Avenue. This is the location
and an aerial image showing the site. Just some relevant case history. The application
was applied for concerning outline planning permission for landscaping reserved for the
demolition of part of number 51 Beresford Avenue and the erection of six semi-detached
dwellings. The application was initially refused at planning committee B, but then later the
decision was overturned at appeal in January 2024. Members should note that all other matters,
including design, access, appearance and parking were agreed and approved at the outline stage.
So condition three of the appeal decision, which was written by the planning inspectorate,
set out in a relatively good level of detail what needed to be provided to discharge condition
three relating to the reserve matters. I can come back to this slide later, but I'll just
leave it here for a second. The description of the development for the current application
is the reserve matters in respect of details relating to landscaping pursuant to condition
three attached to the planning permission for the demolition of 51 Beresford Avenue.
Following amendments and additional information, the council's highway officer and arbor culture
officer were satisfied with the scheme. This is the approved site layout as part of the
appeal decision. This is the proposed landscape plan at its fifth revision. To conclude the
key considerations and recommendations, for the proposed hard and soft landscaping, for
the discharge of condition three of appeal decision at appeal, it fully complies with
the explicit requirements of the condition and if fully implemented, will represent a
very high quality hard and soft landscaping scheme, which were effectively the words of
the arbor culture officer for the London Borough of Barnet. Following amendments and additional
information, the arbor culture officer and the highways officer for the council were
satisfied and network rail also confirmed that they have no objections to make. All
other matters have been approved and subject to certain conditions and to be applied for
and discharged prior to the commencement of development on site. This application is recommended
for approval and open handed back. Thank you. Thank you. I have two speakers for this. Jim
Fraser and Kirsty Fraser. Mr and Mrs Fraser here. If you'd like to come forward. As I
said, take a seat and turn your microphone on. You can see a button with a picture of
a face on it. That's it. You have three minutes to speak and we'll give you notice when you
have one minute left. And after that, we may have some questions to ask you. OK, that's
over to you. OK. We challenge the recommendations made by the planning officer. Also, we have
consistently criticised the planners for inflating the number of people they claim to have consulted.
Now, without evidence, we are accused of the same. The report falsely alleges that the
residents of 37 and 47 have inflated the objection numbers. We refute this baseless attempt to
discredit us. We notice that the author of the report is here and I was invited now to
apologise. Mr Turner, will you apologise? You made allegations against me and the colleague.
A couple of minutes to speak. It's up for the members of the committee to ask questions
of the officers. OK. At the end, we'll accept the apology. Previously, we provided proof
of developers breaching planning law, yet the planners sided with the developers abandoned
due diligence and acted as their mouthpiece. In defence of the developers' villains, the
planners' reply was that there was no reason not to believe the developers. The planners
have also misinterpreted the inspectors ruling on the tunnel wear charts, suggesting the
reserve matters can proceed before addressing the safety investigation. They claim they
are content that before the development means the reserve matters can be implemented first
and then they will monitor the tunnel air shaft safety investigation. They also added
that the outcome not be preempted and they are satisfied that there is no railway related
network of real reasons to review this current application.
Are you sure you wouldn't like me to repeat? I think we're OK. This statement is preemptive
and they have no proof. The planners' blind faith has resulted in years of wasted resources.
Then we have to consider network. You have one minute remaining. Clearly stating that
there are issues. Less than two years ago in the rail tunnel just outside Bath, a train
burst into flames and smoke and it was the air shafts that saved the passengers and staff.
Network Rail have made it clear that they have little knowledge about the air tunnel
shafts under these properties and that is why they need a safety inspection before they
can recommend the current reserve matters. We understand that planning might feel under
pressure to draw a conclusion to this after years of pursuing, but given the overall conduct
of the developer and their misrepresentation on planning law, asset protection, Arabs consultation
restricted covenants and the failures in planning due process, they are only themselves to blame.
There should be no compromises over safety. That's time. Thank you. Sorry, I didn't hear
that. That's time. Thank you.
Got any questions? Or does anybody want to hear any more?
Councillor Roberts. I just wanted to ask you, have the concerns
of British Rail been widely publicised, made available to local residents and others?
The British Rail and the chief of the operations, Mark Leighton, has written to the council
and the planners, setting out that it's too premature to allow reserve matters before
the investigation of the air shafts and the ground is carried out. It would be too premature
to do that. They are withholding any judgement on that
at this stage? That is correct. It depends on what you mean
by withholding, the stated fact that they do not know whether it's safe or not.
Thank you. I think you'll find, and the officers may
explain afterwards, that Network Rail have not made any comments at this stage, but there
is a condition that this should be agreed with them before any work starts.
Legally, we can't ask for that condition to happen before the decision is made, but
before any work starts, it needs to be made. Thank you for reminding me of that. That was
the Inspector's ruling, yes. Any more questions?
Councillor Conway. Putting aside any safety issues, is there
any other issues that you have with this? Yes, and Kirsty will be bringing these up,
but if you like I can briefly run over them. Would you like that?
Just the issues which aren't in regards to safety, but in regards to planning.
Most of the design of the plans for this development are called into question because of Millon's
own safety audit. They referred to collisions with cars and collisions with people, and
if you look at the whole design, which is part of the landscape, you'll notice that
particularly number 51, they will actually step out right onto the road.
There are other issues with the road, of course. The field of vision is restricted, despite
what the report says, and we are also concerned with the width of the road. There is no leeway
for emergency vehicles or anything of that nature.
Any other questions? Mr Toner, would you like to apologise?
Just hearing from you and taking questions now, the officers will have a chance to speak
afterwards. So thank you very much, if you can take your seats now.
We have Kirsty Fraser who would like to speak. Hi. Hi, everyone.
Just to remind you again, you will have three minutes to speak if you choose yourself, and
then you'll have three minutes to speak, until the warning when you have one minute left.
All right, thank you. All right, evening, everyone. I'm Kirsty from Beresford Avenue.
This reserve matter's application should be denied, and the statement of support in the
planning officer's assessment is inaccurate, misleading, unsafe and illogical.
Firstly, stepping out of 51 Beresford Avenue, there's basically going to be a gate, and
the family home will just have no pavement in front of it, and it will walk straight
into the highway. This is obviously incredibly dangerous, and the developer safety audit
comes up with no realistic option of avoiding colliding cars or collisions with pedestrians.
We did actually have a meeting with Steve and Volley, and we were discussing the problems
with that particular exit for that house, the gateway opening onto a road, and obviously
as they approach the access road, that if they saw an oncoming vehicle, the car may
have to reverse, and obviously... Sorry, can I just interrupt you there? As
you're aware, we're hearing tonight just the conditions about landscaping, I think the
access and the side roads and so on... Okay, so just to finish my point...
Which was agreed in the outline... Okay, so just to finish my point quickly then...
It's just what we're looking at... Sorry, no problem, I'll go back to that,
but Stephen did say that those cars would not be reversing there, which obviously is
not enforceable. So anyway, Network Rail Engineers assert it's premature to deal with this application
now, which seems to be acknowledged, I think, because we don't have the safety report, and
the airshafts need investigations to ensure safety. After a decade of applications, this
is nearly 10 years in the making, millings face two restrictive covenants for bidding
house building over the rail tunnel. We don't know if the tunnel can withstand ground excavations
until the airshafts are properly assessed, as per the Health and Safety Act.
Beristed residents and the council cannot accept this application when it might change
after an airshaft investigation would be denied our right to critique and evaluate the outcome.
Our planners feel confident that they can monitor millings after this application is
approved, but you've had 10 years to monitor this development over their claims of securing
a Network Rail Assessment, sorry, Asset Protection Agreement. They don't have such an agreement.
The latest report claims planners could manage the airshaft investigation post-approval,
and back up their unsubstantiated claim that they have recycled their statement, thank
you, from earlier reports. There's no planning or evidence of monitoring any conditions of
the developer over the past 10 years. Millings has just been relentless, keeps set in submitting
applications one after the other, and at the last meeting, they did actually shout, the
last meeting that they attended, they did shout that they were going to keep going and
going and going. Now, we did ask for that statement to be minuted, but Stephen didn't
minute it, but we did raise that concern. On one hand, to choose to rely on the planners'
well-documented historic unreliability to monitor millings, on the other hand, to choose
Networks Rail's valid health and safety concerns about this application, we believe it should
be investigated first and then followed up with an amended matters application. We recommend
the committee deny this application, and there's just too many ifs and buts about this application,
and we just want you to refuse it like every other, all the councillors that have before
you over the last decade. Thank you. Any questions? Yes, Councillor Conway. What's the issues
with the landscaping? With the landscaping? Are we talking about the actual layout of
the…? Yeah, can you explain what you mean by landscaping and I'll answer the question,
if that's all right? I didn't mean that. I'll ask the officers afterwards, but just
in regards to this reserve matters application with respect to details relating to landscaping,
what are your issues with the landscaping? I'm not sure how to answer that question.
Can I ask the Beresford group that are behind me? I'm afraid you're here to answer the
questions, not other people. Okay, but I have concentrated on the safety factors here tonight.
Sorry, I can't answer more. Though I would just say, as I said to Mr Fraser, there is
a condition resulting from the appeal that the safety report should be confirmed with
networked rail before any work starts. You can't ask for that before decision is made,
but if that condition is there, then it should be done before any work starts, and the officers
will explain that further afterwards, if that's okay. Any further questions? No, thank you
very much. Thank you. So, as I say, I'll ask you to explain that a little bit more,
and if there's any other comments or questions for members at this stage. Oh, I'm sorry,
I'm forgetting the applicants. Always doing that. Sorry, the applicant, the agent, we
have Mr Millen, Vincent Millen. I do apologise for missing you out, that's my area. There's
a button with a face on it, if you don't want your finger in, it's not very clear to see.
That's it, yes, again, if you could introduce yourself, then you have three minutes to speak,
and you'll be given a warning when you have one minute left. Hi, my name is Ben Lowry,
I'm one of the owners of Millen Homes. Thanks for hearing us tonight. I don't really have
too much to say in terms of the landscaping. Almost identical scheme was approved by this
committee two years ago, the only difference was the access came in off a slightly different
roof. In terms of this inspection shaft that keeps coming up tonight, I thought I'd just
cover this off, that was inspected by Network Rail last year, and they've now concreted
that over, it's sealed off, and it's been purposely located in a position where it's
easily accessible under a car parking space. Network Rail are happy with it, they've signed
off on it, we have a BAPA agreement drafted and in place, the only reason that isn't signed
is because we have to pay a substantial amount of money at that stage, and until such time
as detailed permission was granted, we wouldn't commit to those funds, because it's a very
large chunk of money. So, in terms of the landscaping, we've worked very hard to make
sure that the landscaping officers are happy, and the scheme is pretty much in terms of
planting, layout, maintenance, identical to the scheme that was approved two years ago
by this committee. Thank you for your time.
Thank you. Can you just confirm your name? Are you Benjamin?
I'm Benjamin Lowry.
Right, just take your name down properly. Any questions from members? No? Okay, thank
you very much. And, again, we go back to the officer. Talking about the condition from
Network Rail…
Certainly, yes. So, as was detailed in the officer report, the wording of the condition
for the Network Rail was quite specific, and conditions need to be clear. There's a criteria
for a condition to make sure that it's clear, understandable, and the clear wording of the
condition is, No development shall take place until details of the location, extent,
and depth of all excavations of the services have been looked into.
I'm sort of paraphrasing
it slightly, but the wording at the beginning of the condition is very specific, in that
it says, No development shall take place until details,
etc. And having worked on
major schemes before, if there was the expectation for those details to be provided before the
reserve matters, it would have said something along the lines of, Prior to reserve matters
being submitted.
Is that condition… That condition is not on these papers? Is that just because it came
from the appeal? That's part of this?
No, no, the…
On these papers, it goes from Condition 3 to Condition 7. I don't know if that's
been messed up.
So, it's within the body of the report?
Right.
So, it's on page 16 of the report which has been published.
Appeal decision.
Okay.
It's got about an appeal decision there, I want to say. I can't say it specifically,
but it is… Although that's not in the report as a condition, it is…
It isn't a condition which we attached. It's a condition which the Inspector attached.
Thank you.
Okay. Councillor Canwick.
In your opinion, is there any aspect of either the softer the landscape will make it dangerous
for anyone entering or leaving the development?
So our highway officer has looked into this. Following residents' concerns, they were
consulted later on in the process, just to be absolutely crystal clear. And they said,
following an amendment to the fencing, which pulls the height of the fencing down and back,
they're entirely satisfied that there are no highway concerns.
Any further questions, Councillor Barnes?
We've heard mention the air shafts or shaft on a couple of occasions. Would you like to
comment on that as well?
So that's entirely unrelated to the landscaping condition. There's a separate condition
which we will deal with and which the applicant will need to deal with before the commencement
of works on site. But that's not something which we can and need to deal with at this
stage.
Thank you. Any further questions? Councillor Roberts.
Is the application dependent upon that decision that's yet to be made, whatever decision
we make this evening?
No, so the applicant will still need to come in with those details once the decision on
the landscaping has been made.
About the rail tunnel going underneath that is yet to be resolved as well.
The proposal is set out at the start of the report and there's a lot of discussion tonight
of background information for decisions that have already been made at the appeal. So really
what you're looking at, the only decision you're making tonight is in relation to that
landscaping condition. It's a reserved matter. So it's being reserved, without any permission,
being reserved and you're being asked that decision to make a decision on that. And I'm
happy to hear about the background, et cetera, but it's not related, unless the subject tells
me otherwise, to this condition. That will have its life of its own as it would do like
a normal planning application.
But the safety report about the railway shaft needs to be given to Network Rail and agreed
with Network Rail before any work can start. That's what the condition is.
Any further? We will go to a vote. The officers are recommending approval of this application.
All those in favour of approval? There's four against, one not voting. So that application
is approved. And we move on to –
I'm sorry, we've finished with that application now. As you heard, we were looking at reserve
matters. Thank you. We have finished with that application now. We're moving on to the next
one. We're moving on to 61. We have finished with that application. If you could quietly
leave the room now. Thank you. We'll move on to 61 Pinchley Lane.
Thank you. We have heard you, and you have heard that tonight we are dealing with just
the conditions. Yes, we've heard you. Thank you very much.
Thank you. And we'll move on to 61 Pinchley Lane.
Thank you. The next item on the agenda is 61 Pinchley Lane in Hendon. The proposal is
for a single-storey rear outbuilding, partly retrospective as it amends a building that's
already built on the site. So members of the committee at the site visit yesterday. This
is the property here, one half of a pair of semis here on Pinchley Lane. It's been converted
into a number of flats. These are some site photographs. This shows the front of the property
here and the access way down the side here, which leads through to communal gardens and
a series of historic outbuildings and a new outbuilding, which has been built along the
back of the site at the rear here, which has been built unlawfully and has been the subject
of a number of applications over the last couple of years, as you'll see from the report.
So that was obviously the original plan of the garden. The flats, three flats at ground
floor level in the main building have got their own private garden. The rest of the
area here was communal garden for all the flats. These two buildings here and these
two garage-type buildings there are lawful. They've been there for some time. Previously,
the building that was built incorporated the buildings on this side and extended across
the width of the site and extended down here. So this building has not got planning permission.
It's been refused, as have a number of variations to it. An enforcement notice has been served,
which is now subject of an appeal. We're awaiting the decision. You'll see from the report and
the addendum that the most recent application was to amend that building and retain it.
In this form here, extending right up to the boundary of the property on this side here,
it was reported to Planning Committee last year and members refused it. Again, that application
is at appeal at the moment, but as of today we don't have a decision on that application.
So the current proposal is to amend the outbuilding further and it would set it away from the
side on this side as well as on this side, so there will be a two metre gap between the
building and each side boundary. The depth of the extension would remain as it is. Its
overall height, as we'll see in a moment, is 2.5 metres here and as members will have
seen on site yesterday, the actual height of the building is the same height as the
fence, which runs along this boundary on this side with number 59. Yes, that's the fence
line here and that's the building, and this is the height of the fence to the other side.
So this is the unlawful building that's currently situated on that boundary here, so it will
be set back, this part will be removed, retaining this rearmost portion only. The enforcement
case relates to the whole of the unlawful outbuilding here, which is required to demolish
all these buildings and the garages on site here. This was the scheme that was refused
last year so members can see there was a distance to the boundary on this side, but it projected
up to the boundary on this side, so the main difference now is making the building even
smaller to remove this area here to ensure a separation to the boundary of two metres.
So in terms of the key considerations, officers consider the scale of the outbuilding has
been reduced, it's been set back two metres from both side boundaries compared to the
previous scheme refused, and the communal garden will be closer in size to the original
because of the removal of existing sheds and reduction in the size of the outbuilding,
so the application is recommended for approval subject to conditions. Thank you.
Thank you. And we have Jodie Benign to speak, I think Benign is the one you were going to
speak for. We usually ask the Councillor to speak after the other speakers, Mark, I don't
know if you'd like to speak. Yes, if you can hear me, I'll pass them around.
I will say first thank you for coming this evening, it's my dire job easily not to have
to defer the item because you couldn't come, thank you. If you can turn the microphone
on, that's it, and then introduce yourself and you'll have three minutes to speak and
you'll be given a warning when you have one minute left, thank you.
Hi, my name is Jodie Benign and I live at 59 Finchley Lane, immediately next door to
the property with my husband Michael, five children and our puppy. It's been our family
home for the last 15 years. I object to this proposal. We are not property people. We feel
overwhelmed, frustrated and exhausted having to fight against developers who have more
financial power and expertise than we do. We've had to contend with six planning applications
just in the last 20 months, four of which were refused and one withdrawn. This started
when these developers built a series of outbuildings of this location unlawfully without permission.
There's a planning enforcement notice requiring the demolition of all these outbuildings which
the developers are currently appealing. They believe that asking for forgiveness rather
than for permission is an acceptable tactic. With respect, the committee should not reward
the applicant's bad behavior. I spoke before the planning committee last September when
the planning officer was recommending approval for a single story rear outbuilding. All six
members of the committee unanimously agreed with the planning officer and a refusal was
issued on the grounds which are summarized in Exhibit 1 disagreed with the planning officer.
Almost a year later, I am baffled to be back here with the planning officer again recommending
approval for an almost identical proposal. What has changed? Essentially nothing. In
Exhibit 1, you see clearly that the proposed outbuilding has not changed in size. It has
merely been moved away slightly from the northern boundary. The committee's recent refusal reasons
of excessive footprint, size, scale, depth and height all remain. In a similar vein,
if it was determined mid last year that a gym is uncharacteristically intensive use
for a residential garden, how can it be acceptable now? Please see Exhibit 2. Furthermore, an
outbuilding like this is inconsistent with DM01 and would therefore meaningfully impact
the character of our neighborhood. Please see Exhibit 3. On Google Maps, the only other
outbuilding I can identify with an address on our side of the road is the developer's
other property at number 53. There they first applied for an ancillary use as a gym. It's
never been used as a gym, and then have applied numerous times to convert that building into
residential use, having been refused three times since June 2023 with an application
pending. You have one minute remaining. Exhibit 4 illustrates this pattern of incremental
building. It's a war of attrition on us and on your resources. We believe they'll do exactly
the same at 61. They've had discrepancies in their application, saying there's no water
when there is, saying buildings were pre-existing when they were not. You can see that in Exhibits
5 and 6. They've also had a complete disregard for us and for the law. They've rented out
two of their flats as Airbnbs since day one. They don't care about the 90-day rule. We
can't go in our garden because there's constant smells of marijuana. We're kept up at night
by loud noise. The developers have no regard for us. To conclude, we believe that this
application should be denied for the reasons we've stated. You can see them in Exhibit
- It's the same size. It's the same use. It's inconsistent with DM01. The developer has a track record of unlawful development. They've not told the truth. They've been unreliable. They've used their properties as Airbnb, showing unprincipled behaviour and approving them now, which is reward bad behaviour. Thank you very much. It was well timed. Any questions? Thank you very much for this, which is very clear. You worked hard on it. It looks like we have no questions at the moment. No questions. I'll have Councillor Mark Shooter. Thank you very much, Chair. It's good to be back. You've only got three minutes to speak. Yes, three minutes. I'm not going to time myself. I haven't got a lot to add on an excellent presentation. This obviously was here last year a few times, I think four times. I penciled in my diary for next year another three times, just the optimism that it gets refused again. Last time, we went through it in detail and the committee voted 6-0 against the application. From what I can see, nothing's really changed very much from the previous application. It's still the same size, as far as I can see. The height is definitely the same, 2.45 metres. It was refused on height as well as bulking and various other issues, DM01, et cetera. What they're going to do, they can keep coming back and take an inch off, here, there, everywhere. It doesn't really change the fact that this is really trying to put lipstick on an elephant, on a pig, actually. Lipstick on a pig is just trying to dress up fat. It's an eyesore. You go on Google Earth, you can see there's nothing in the near vicinity anything like this. They're claiming that it's going to be a gym and they put the fowl, the drainage in for the toilets, et cetera. If it was a gym for the residents, they'd have their own apartments anyway to go to the bathroom. Is this going to be some kind of luxury spa with a bedroom? I mean, yoga room, anyway. It doesn't really make sense to me. We do have policies in place. I just think they're just trying to keep coming back in order to try and take advantage of get something through and then do some planning creep on the next one. Can't really add anything to the exhibits. They will speak for themselves. For me, just as a disclosure, I know the neighbours. I know many of the neighbours who are objecting here, so that's why I felt compelled to speak. Obviously, being a ward councillor, I don't really want to see this type of thing happening. I don't really want to see this type of increase in demise going in Hendon and spreading, especially on that road. It's very important to have other amenity space and gardens. We don't want people being overlooked. I think Jody alluded to Airbnb. I mean, if you do Google 61 Finchley Lane Airbnb, it does come up with a rather nice accommodation. I think we got five stars only two weeks ago. I think four stars the week before that. We do have a housing shortage, but not building ice halls and gardens. I think for all the stress it's caused in the area, I think it would be much better if the committee stuck to being consistent on the last application, which they turned down convincingly. This is pretty much the same application. It's just that the building has done a little walk to the centre, so it's shifted over. That's time, thank you. OK, thank you. Thank you. Any questions? Councillor Roberts. I just wanted to ask Councillor Shitter, in principle, are you against there being a gymnasium at the rear of this building? In principle, are you against the idea that a gymnasium should be at the end of this property? Not really. There's no problem having a gymnasium, if it is going to be a gymnasium. There's a grey area. I'm not against having gyms at the back of people's cars. What I'm against is huge out-of-character outbuildings that are actually ruining the lives of the people next door. As long as things are built within scale, and this is clearly not. You can see it from your garden. It is slightly over the fence, and these are high fences that have been put in, so it's quite a large outbuilding. It is, but those facilities, if it was a gym, for instance, then could be utilised by the residents of number 61. Yes, but what's to stop a bed going in as well? That could be part of it. Well, that's the issue. If they are running Airbnbs, then they're going to run Airbnbs from there. If it's open for residents, fine, but it just seems to be a very large building, way too large for the area, so it's really about the size issue more than anything else. Gymnasiums do need to be of a certain size by the very nature of what they're there for. Well, they can be adaptable. They can get smaller if they want to. They just have one less running machine. I don't know whether they're planning to service the whole of Hendon in that size gym. Thank you. As you know, I was on the committee last time that turned it down. I think I was chairing that committee as well. But there is a big change now, so it has been made a lot smaller, so you're saying it's still rather large. As far as I can see, it's easy. It's looking at does this meet the reasons that the last one was turned down, so it's just an excessive size, design, siting, scale, depth, height and so on. The height hasn't changed. Even if the size has changed, I don't think it has. It might have changed from the original first application, but from the last one that was turned down, I don't believe it's changed. You have the exhibits, but regardless of that, it was turned down also on height, and the height is certainly the same height as it was previously that was turned down, and that was one of the specific reasons that was listed. We'll ask for confirmation on that. We were told that the height is the same, and we saw on the fact that the height is the same as it was in the previous application, so therefore it can't be seen. It's a matter of looking at it, and in terms of Airbnb, that's not something we can look at now. I appreciate how neighbours may feel about that. I haven't got anything against Airbnbs either, by the way, I use them sometimes when I go on holiday. We'll hear from the applicant's agent now, and then they'll get in the station. Thank you very much. One more question, sorry, Councillor Conway. Just following on from Councillor Roberts' question in regards to gyms, do you think there's any difference when a gym is in a private resident's home rather than if it's in a large block of flats? Well, I guess it would make a lot more sense building a gym if you had a resident block of 200 people. It would be far more cost-effective than building a gym for five flats, so I don't know what the landlord is looking to achieve here. I don't think he's going to achieve a significant uplift in rent that will help pay for the capital outlay of this supposed gym. So I don't see, personally, I think it was something that was probably thought of afterwards when there was obviously some scrutiny from complaints from the neighbourhood what's going on. There's a huge outbuilding that's gone up illegally, and perhaps it was retrofitted. I don't know the history of what happened, but it doesn't make sense for me that there should be – how much gym equipment do you need for five units, five residential units? And there are many, many gyms all around Hendon as well that are very, very good. I think there's the Middlesex University gym, you've got the gym at Hendon Central as well, and if someone wanted a running machine they can go and buy their own running machine. The flats are quite nice sized flats and big enough to host their own workout equipment should they so wish. Okay, thank you. And then we have the agent, George Ray. Thank you, I think you also know the procedure, if you turn your microphone on. Now we have three minutes to speak, you can be given number one when you have one minute left. Thank you Chair and members of the Planning Committee for the opportunity to speak today. Upon reviewing the objections raised against the proposal, it is evident that they either follow a repetitive pattern or consist of copied content. All 17 points in each objection focus on either alleged past accusations or speculative future accusations by my client. Rather than addressing the actual details of the current proposal, if we concentrate solely on the facts of the application, devoid of the unsubstantiated claims presented by a neighbouring party, it becomes clear that the only reasonable conclusion is for this application to be approved. The proposed development is significantly reduced in scale from the original application and is smaller than the previous refuse scheme. Frankly, I'm surprised by the attention this mine application has attracted. The prior refusal considered concerns about the security of number 59, specifically the fear that people could jump from the outbuilding into their garden, as well as the outbuilding size and its impact of number 59's immunity case. My client addressed these concerns by repositioning the outbuilding more than two metres away from both neighbouring properties and ensuring its roof is below the fence line, effectively eliminating any potential impact to neighbouring properties. Furthermore, the proposed outbuilding is smaller than similar developments built at numbers 51, 53, 76, 82, 88, 95, demonstrating that it's not out of character for the street. For these reasons, the planning department has recommended approval. My client has consistently approached this process with diligence and responsiveness. After the previous application was refused, he consulted with the planning department, considered the committee's and neighbours' concerns and returned with a substantially revised proposal. The planning department confirmed that the revised proposal adequately addressed all the concerns and again issued an approval. My client has transformed the previously dilapidated site into a well-developed property with high quality residential flats, all constructed in strict compliance with planning approval permissions. When it came to the rear garden, he was misinformed about the permitted development. You heard one minute remaining. Whilst it was clarified that Albert did not fall under such rights, he collaborated closely with the council to develop a scheme that meets planning policies while addressing neighbours' concerns, reducing the size scale repeatedly. It's important to note that current objections do not cite any planning policy issues, but rather make basis accusations against my client. His objective is to provide functional and minute space that enhances the residents' quality of life. Objections questioning the use of the outbuilding as a gym are particularly unfounded in today's context, where integrating gyms into residential sites is seen as beneficial for physical and mental wellbeing. In summary, the proposal in front of you today has been meticulously adapted, scaled down and thoughtfully designed to align with the planning policies and address all previously raised concerns. I urge the committee to focus on the actual merits of the application and approve accordingly. Thank you. Any questions? Councillor Roberts. Can you clarify? The use of the gym is for the residents of the property. Yes. So, I know the planning officer... Not the commercial entity. No, no, no. And in addition to that, I noted that the planning officer said that the three ground floor flats have their own private amenity space, but that they also have use of the communal amenity space at the rear. So they will also be able to use and benefit from this area. Any further questions? Councillor Conway. Thank you. What was the size of the gym in the previous application? I don't know if I've got the notes. I've got the plans, but I don't know if they're on board. Just because you mentioned that it's been majorly scaled down, so I'm just trying to work out what... I said scaled down, and I said majorly scaled down from the original application. So on the first application, as you can see, that was refused, and each time we have scaled it down. Apart from, obviously, the very large one, or the other ones that we have significantly scaled down, have been approved by planning officers and taken to committee by the objections of the neighbours. But each time we have reduced the scale. So obviously, from the previous one to this one, it has been reduced. No percentage, I don't know off the top of my head. Just looking at the plans both here and previously leading up to this meeting, it doesn't look to me. So I'm just trying to find out what the actual size is, because it still looks the same. And previously the committee said grants for refusal are due to excessive footprint, excessive size, excessive design, excessive scale, excessive height and excessive depth. And I can't see how that has been reduced. Besides that, it's been moved slightly away from the fence, yet at the same time making it closer to the other fence. So whilst making it potentially slightly better for one neighbour, you've made it worse for the other neighbour. Well, if you look at the other neighbour, if you look at the photos of the other side, you'll see that there's a massive brick wall on the other side. So in fact, if it is still two metres away, 2.5 metres in height, which is below the fence line, so it simply cannot affect any amenity space of neighbours. I don't think that is a necessary concern in terms of impacting the amenity, because you visually can't see it. On that side anyway, you say, so move closer, there's a four metre brick wall on the other side of that fence. But on that side, yes, we did move it away from the neighbours of number 59, of course, because they were concerned. I remember at the committee, I don't know, I can't remember which committee members were here, but they did raise the point of they were nervous someone was going to climb on the roof and jump into their garden. So we paid attention to that. We thought it wasn't going to happen, but okay, it was a concern of them, so we moved it away. We did reduce it off the top of my head, maybe 5 to 10% reduction. But you've got to remember, each time, from the original one, it's probably about, I would say, half, just over half of the time. So we don't need to go to the original one, because we're talking about the previous one was rejected. Well, to be honest with you, I'm actually talking about this one. This one and the relevance of this application. To be honest with you, as I said to you, there were 17 objections raised. If we go through them, one by one, they're all not really relevant to this application. They all go on previous application. That's why I'm trying to stop now. I'm just asking about this one. This one is reduced from the previous application. Again, when we got objection one, again, it talks about, I've said, these are just notes I've written down. Objection one, not relevant to this application. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, as I said, concentrating on this application and the merits of this application, it has been reduced in size. It can't be seen by the neighbouring properties. The fact the use of the gym will benefit all residentials. I mean, I know Councillor Shooter mentioned, oh, it's OK, they can just shove a treadmill in their living room. I mean, it's quite easy, you know, thankfully I live in a house where I can. Other people may, people living in flats can't automatically do that. I think you've answered the question. Thank you. Any further questions, Councillor Collegg? Thank you. Having been on a site visit yesterday and seen the sort of existing building, unlawful building, I've got concerns on two fronts. It doesn't fall for the size and depth of the building, the actual physical construction there. It's going to be awfully uncomfortable for anyone exercising in there due to lack of ventilation. And then again, in the winter when it's cold, it's going to be really difficult for anyone to exercise in there due to the temperatures involved. So I do have concerns over the actual usage of the building. Sorry, I apologise. I missed, didn't hear your first, I heard about the winter. I didn't hear the forgot. The existing construction that you have there, minus the end bits and the bits around the side, so the bit that you intend to keep, doesn't appear to have sufficient ventilation for anyone who's doing some heavy exercise within the building. And that is a concern because I have a feeling that it's, if not unsafe, it's going to be uncomfortable. Sorry, are we able to bring up the proposed plans, the proposed floor plan, so everyone can see. I think you'll find you've got, there's three sides that have access to air ventilation. On each side, there are two windows proposed. Again, what you saw on site is not what the end product's going to be. Obviously, that is unlawful. They have to, unless something happens, they're going to have to knock it down and rebuild according to this plan. So based on this plan, you've got two windows on the side, you've got the front, which is obviously the longest stretch, which is proposed full of windows, double doors. I do believe that there is sufficient ventilation, according to the gym requirements. In addition to that, you talk about being cold winter days and that's back of garden. Yeah, my client would love to have it right closer to the house, but that again, would be against planning policy and wouldn't want to do that because that would be an eyesore. And well, I was up 6, 5.30 this morning, heading off to the gym. So, and it was dark and cold then. And you know, I would recommend people do do that. It's quite exhilarating. So I personally in the winter would recommend people venturing their beer of cold to enjoy benefits mentally and physically of going to the gym. And that is what this proposal is trying to represent. Just one point and two questions. You mentioned that your client was previously badly advised in regards to, but he hasn't given in to the thing yet, he's appealing it. Is he accepted that he was badly advised? But moving on to the two points, in this current application, on the application you've written, are you proposing to connect to existing drainage system? You clicked no. Sorry, sorry. In that application, it's been clicked, are you proposing to connect to the existing drainage system? And it's been ticked no. No. Yet we can see on site that there is drainage in a toilet into the gym. So where is that drainage? What is that drainage in that toilet for if it's not connected to the drainage system? Again, I'm trying to stick to this application. This application doesn't show any drainage. It was from previous applications that there is no drainage. Obviously it was done. There is still drainage there now. From previously, as you say, unlawful development. It simply won't be used. There simply won't be drainage. You can see there's no, I don't think there's a sink there or a toilet showing that there's a toilet. There is a toilet inside at the moment. Yes, but we're talking, again, trying to stick to the facts, trying to stick to the actual application. There is no proposed toilet there. And there is a proposed, as you say, in terms of he was badly advised. Yes, he was. He was told it was a permitted development. The truth is, if it was a single dwelling house, the proposed, what he built would be considered to be a permitted development. If he was informed incorrectly, it's everyone's right to appeal. Of course it's everyone's right to appeal. But in essence, this is what, again, I try again focusing on this application, the merits and the benefits this application will provide. Thank you. Thank you. In regards to this, once again, this application, this application now, it's written that according to the current application, outbuildings in yellow are labeled pre-existing. We've got an image from Google Maps that shows that's not true. Pre-existing to the building going down. Pre-existing that work started in February
- And in 29th of June 2019, you can see they are not there on Google Maps. If you go back to the previous plans, you'll see there's four separate plans. The first plan shows, you're right, original. And you're absolutely right, there are no outbuildings shown on that. But in the current application, it's written that the other outbuildings were pre-existing. So yeah, okay. So you're right. So there weren't any. Then, as the planning officer says, those ones, and these are the ones we were talking about, were then constructed prior to my client purchasing the property. Those were on site, and Dean Northwood, I think the planning officer stated. So there were four stages. So prior to the outbuildings being built, there were outbuildings there already. You're correct in saying, originally, there wasn't anything there, which the first plan does show. Is there an error in this current application? No, no, no. What I'm agreeing with you, I'm saying both statements are true. So there were previous, there were before the outbuildings was built, there were outbuildings there. But a few years before that, you're correct, there wasn't any buildings there at all. So I'm saying both statements are true. I'm not denying your statement. I don't really follow that, but just to move on to my last point, my last point. It's been said before, and it is connected to this application, the proposed use of an outbuild as a communal gym is also considered uncharacteristically intensive use for a residential garden. This is still a communal gym, and it's still in a residential garden. So putting aside any, we may disagree on whether you've made it any smaller or not, it still looks excessive, but it's still a communal gym and a residential garden, which your client has been told before, is uncharacteristic. Okay, I appreciate that comment. Not by me, but by the planning officers. And so my counter argument is, is that fundamentally, I believe that this gym will, and I hope Councillors agree with me, will be beneficial. Might be uncharacteristic, you're right, because not every house on the street has a gym there. But fundamentally, I really do believe that having a gym in a block of flats is very beneficial, especially at the moment. We've got to consider fitness, wellness of people, and it's very nice. In terms of moving on, I'll take further advice than this, but I think we're not able to consider what this may be used for. As far as I don't think using it as a gym, I'm not suggesting anything. They're saying it's being used a communal gym and the officers have said that communal gym is uncharacteristic in this area. We'll get confirmation of that from the opposition. Any further questions? No. Okay, so if we could have some comments from officers about whether this use of the gym may be allowed or not. In terms of the size of the building, I've just checked the officer report for the last application that came before committee, and that stated the building was 3.6 metres by 12.3 metres. The current plan shows 3.8 metres by 11.6. So it's 0.2 metres deeper and 0.7 metres narrower. Same height, but 4.5. Okay, thank you. I would like to say that, as I said, I was on the committee that turned this down last time, and it was very apparent then that the sort of wraparound was a huge overdevelopment of that area and for this site. Clearly this has been going on and we've heard from the speakers and we've read from the other objectors as well. It's been going on causing a lot of nuisance to them for a long time, and I do accept that, but I'm thinking if this was the first application that came, would we be looking at it differently, just as this application without knowing all the other things that were going on and were still coming under appeal. So I'm not decided on that, but we are just looking at what is before us tonight and coming to try and look at it as though it had no history, is what I'm saying. Any further comments or questions for anybody? Just from the size that we've just been given, it's just as excessive. Putting it aside, being built illegally, they haven't taken it down. Besides that, we've got a clear picture of there being drainage there. The building itself now in this application is 0.2 wider than it previously was. I just need to emphasise what the chair said. You're here tonight to consider the application which is single storey, rare outbuilding part retrospective. The history as regards, you do need to ignore to a certain extent, and also any future potential enforcement issues. That's up to the council to enforce those. If it goes into residential use, whatever is anticipated. At the moment, it's just for the building as proposed, not as you saw on the site visit. If you're going to vote to not approve it, which you're entitled to do, then you need to have in mind planning reasons to refuse this application. I would suggest future enforcement is not a reason and the drainage is not a reason. You need to consider this application. Thank you. If we can go to the vote then, the officers are recommending approval of this application. All those in favour of approval? That's two. Those against? Two. One not voting. I hate this council chair's decision then. I would have to go along with the officer's recommendation in that case for approval. This application has been approved. Good evening, everyone. I'm here to present a case at 49 St James Avenue. It's for a change of views from a C3 dwelling house to a C2 care home for three children. It's noted that the applicant is the director of the barner's family services and the children there is typically aged around 11 to 14 years old. As you can see from the site location plan, the application site is a two-storey semi-detached dwelling house located in the north-turn side of St James Avenue. The area is predominantly semi-detached houses with some detached houses. The site has a P-tail of two, which is considered accessibility is fairly poor, but it benefits from a driveway to the front and a private garden to the rear. So here are some of the aerial photos, and you can tell that that's a wraparound single-storey extension. And some site photos to the front and to the rear. So the existing house is a four-bed, seven-person home. There's no external changes proposed. And the main shared accommodation is at the ground floor level and consists of kitchen, dining room, living room, and a staff office. And the third floor, you can tell three children's home with sites about 13 to 19 square meters, which are quite spacious. Some concerns are raised of the proposed living room for the staff is 5.7 square meters large, which is slightly small, but because that would not be the primary accommodation for the staff, which on balance is fine. So the key arguments here is whether the use of a children's home would materially impact the character of the area, which is predominantly a single-family dwelling by virtue of the number of comings and goings and any associated impact to the noise and safety. So the staff pattern, you can tell, is likely to happen at about 7 to 11 p.m., which is unlikely to result in an intensification of the use beyond that expected of a single household. And this is the existing parking and cycle parking and waste management, which has retained its existing arrangement. And other considerations involved the principal development, which we find the applicant has demonstrated there is a need for care home in the locality, especially there are two councils' children home and a family resource center, which would be located within 1.1 to 1.6 miles, which is about 20 to 30 minutes walking distance from 49 St. James Avenue. So it creates a strong support network and has justifying the loss of a poorly accessible family home. And on balance, we find that the impact of character and the neighbor's amenities are acceptable, and therefore the application is recommended for approval subject to conditions. Thank you, Councillor Conway. Just with permission, although I was not involved in any of this, as a member of the Children's Education, OVU and Scruthers Subcommittee, with permission, can I just excuse myself for this application? You won't because because you're just reading their objections, you won't be able to answer questions for them, but you can you can read their statements. Yes, three minutes for each. Good evening, members and chair of the Planning Committee. My name is Ben Chung and I'm a planning consultant representing my clients, Miss Zora and Pfizer Siddiqui, who resides at number 60, Raleigh Drive, which is an immediate neighboring property to the north of the application site. My clients are deeply concerned about this planning application to convert a single family dwelling house to what is effectively a youth class C2 residential institution. We note a large number from the local community have voiced their concerns during the consultation process with 150 objections and only one letter of support. We sincerely request members to reject the officer's recommendation of approval and direct refusal of this application due to the following reasons. The principle of losing a single family dwelling house within what is an established residential area is considered unacceptable as it would create a net loss of family sized housing in the borough. This would serve to encourage and exacerbate the continuous and cumulative erosion of more family dwellings from being lost in established neighborhoods such as this. There has been no evidence to suggest alternative sites have been properly considered and assessed. There are simply no details of any alternative sites being documented in its evidence base in which demonstrate objectively how alternative sites have been convincingly discounted. We will simply never know whether those alternative sites may actually have particular advantages over this application site and is considered a serious flaw when properly considering other suitable sites elsewhere within the borough. The ground floor bedroom intended for one of the children is located to the front of the property and overlooking what is effectively the driveway. This is considered a substandard living condition for this habitable space and officers have not properly considered this issue. We consider the layout arrangement of the proposal to be substandard and inadequately thought through given there is no apparent dedicated staffing area within the property to provide the basis in which to operate from and provide round-the-clock care. In addition, having one of the children's bedroom on the ground floor so close to the entrance could mean children could escape without supervision. There appears to be no due consideration for access for all policies and principles being applied to the proposed development, nor has it been duly addressed in the committee report. This is contrary to local plan and London Plan policies. The site has a PTAU rating of 2 and is considered poor for public transport accessibility. This is clearly not a good sustainable site and that emerging local plan policy suggests the need for these sites to be in PTAU at least a 3 to 6. Just because the properties within close proximity to bus stops do not address the fact the site has overall poor public transport accessibility with limited bus connectivity. My clients have stressed that the council should be held responsible if any antisocial related incidents that occur and to which result in harm to any of their family members, damage to property and the wider neighbouring community. Lastly, my clients consider this proposal to be an incompatible use within what is an established residential neighbourhood and that other alternative and more suitable and sustainable sites should be considered instead. On balance, this is not a well thought through scheme with various weaknesses from a planning perspective and that we urge members to refuse primary provision accordingly. Thank you for your time. Thank you. As I say, because you're reading these on behalf of the objectors, we're not able to ask you questions, so thank you very much for your time. And then we have the agent, Jalpa Patel. You're not Jalpa Patel. Thank you, Brigitte, so if again you know how this works, if you can introduce yourself, you've got to have three minutes to speak and I'll give you a warning when you've got one minute left. Thank you very much. I am Brigitte Chordane, the Director of Children's Social Care and I have had the privilege of leading corporate parenting for the last eight years and I'm very proud of our achievement even more so, since the services to children in care received an outstanding from Ofsted recently in our inspection. The reason why I'm mentioning that is… Yeah, if I could just interrupt you to congratulate you on that, although we have four minutes for the council, but it was outstanding. Thank you. Thank you. The reason why I mention that is because one of the things that they highlighted was that one thing that we do very well is to make sure that our children who need to be in our care are placed at the right places at the right time. And why we need to look at the placement types is because everybody, most people know that there is a national shortage of foster carers and there is also a national shortage or there's a local shortage of placements for children to remain in the local area. And one of the things that we've worked really hard at over the last few years is to make sure that we create local placements and local options for our children that need to be in our care. We have invested a lot in trying to recruit more foster carers, but there is still a need for different types of environments for children. And the reason why we are looking at the children's homes is that sometimes children need to be in a different environment and not a family environment, but we want them to be local. We want them to not have to be placed out of the area and far distances from their connections from their families and from their schools. And the reason why we also want a small children's home is because if we have the children living locally going to local schools, there is a higher, better chance of them returning to their birth families and moving on to foster care if necessary. Barnet has three other children's homes that are run very effectively and have had them for some time. We have had excellent feedback from Ofsted and they're all graded as good. We for this home, we will have three children residing with at least two members of staff at any time, 24 hours of the day. They will attend school and when necessary, if they have to attend other appointments, they will go to the appropriate venues just like any other family. And this will be their family home. This will be their home where they reside, where they are safe and where they can be protected and they can be nurtured. We want to be able to create an environment where they grow and they are encouraged to be part of a community. And that's why we look for a residential home in an area that they deserve to be part of. The home will benefit from being managed by a residential manager who has got 15 years of experience. In the eight years that I've worked with her, I've seen the difference she makes for these children that we have to look after. And finally, I just wanted to say that and to try and give people assurance that the children who need this home are children who need to be protected and they need to be cared for, not because of something they've done, but because of their family circumstances. And they deserve to have the best that we can give them as a local council. And I hope that when you think about this application, you're able to be able to support those children and approve this application. Thank you. Thank you. I'll ask a question but I wonder if you could just confirm the needs and the supervision that these children will get when we've heard and we've read from a large number of objectives living around about who are worried about this facility in their midst and the effect it will have on them and on their families, with children possibly having social behaviour, other things. So how, I'm sure it will be managed properly, but could you explain how that will be managed and also how you will be able to liaise and communicate with neighbours to more get them on side and to understand what's going on? Absolutely. We've spent a lot of time looking at the objections, take them very seriously. We want our children to feel welcomed within the community where they reside. We have a very good track record of actually working very well with the neighbours, you know, because our other children's homes are also in residential areas. They're right there. They're either semi-detached house or detached house in a residential area. And we've worked really hard to make sure that the neighbours and the people around the children's home understand what we're trying to achieve for the children. So the focus age of the children is going to be 11 to 14. They will be in un-care because they can't live with their parents for any number of reasons. This is not a home for youth offending services. It's not a home for youth detention. This is our children that need to be with people who can make sure that they're OK, that they're safe, that they go to school, that they do well at school. We have very experienced residential social workers who will be working with them, who will live with them to make sure that they have the opportunity to have their environment normalised. And what we have alongside them is an expert professional team who they will have access to. We have our therapists, we have our social workers, we have the intervention centre which is a mile away where they will go and they can have contact with their family members in a safe environment. Because one of the things that people were worried about were that families and lots of people would be coming to the home. Actually we do the opposite at children's homes. We make that a secure and sacrosanct place for them so that they feel safe and that they can live in as normal an environment as possible. So they will live with their residential social workers, but when they go and see the other professional network it will be off-site, it will be at other venues, which we do for all our children across our children's homes. Thank you. Questions? Councillor Roberts. I just want to clarify, as far as you're aware, have the other residential homes in Barnet of a similar nature, have they caused problems for local communities? Not at all. Not at all? No. Not at all? So we have two children's homes and they're both six-bed children's homes and then we have another children's home that is a two-bed children's home. We will have some situations where there might be a situation where a child might have a medical condition and then an ambulance might need to be called. We've had that in one of our children's homes. We've had a young person who was quite distressed because of contact with the family and acted out in the children's home but not in terms of damage to neighbours' properties. Kelly. Thank you. In your experience at the other homes that Barnet, sorry, the council operate, have there been instances of children climbing out of first floor windows and escaping? No. Thank you. The staff that work with them are very highly trained. We also match children to the places where they live and the reason why we want to work with a younger group with this children's home is that we don't want to send our young children who can't live at home, we don't want to send them far, you know, 20, 30 miles away from Barnet. We want to keep them within their community. We also know that our schools are incredibly good and are very nurturing to our children so we want to try and keep them at their local schools because that's often very much a safe space for children who are going through trauma. Thank you. Lastly, just one more question. We heard in the objectives that you haven't given any evidence of having looked elsewhere as though you just decided on this place without considering other areas so I wonder if you could just describe the process that went through before we settled on this particular place. Absolutely. So once we received the agreement for capital investment from the council, we went through a series of viewing properties and we've actually, over the period of time, we viewed up to ten different properties. We had to be conscious, first of all, of the public purse because that's my responsibility to make sure that we use the capital investment appropriately and with respect and responsibility so we had a budget, we had to make sure that we bought something that didn't require a great deal of additional work done to it so that when we purchase a property we could actually start using the property quite quickly after purchasing the property. We also wanted to have a look at the area and one of the things that we felt why we wanted to purchase this property is that it's the end of the road, the physical place that is in terms of the corner property, it provides a lot of privacy for the children in the back garden as well as the bedrooms because they are lived after children. It also has a lot of good connections to the other children's homes that will be supporting these children and will be supporting the staff. So it wasn't just, well, here's a house, this is our first choice, let's go, and there was actually quite a lot of consideration and a number of visits to the property by different people before we actually came to the decision to put an offer in. Thank you, anything further? Oh, thank you very much. Any further comments or questions? Otherwise we will go to the vote, officers are recommending this for approval, all those in favour of approval? That's all, this application is approved, thank you very much. And if we can, Councillor Conway is coming back, and we're going to move on to Antian House for a bundle present. Thank you, Chair. So this application relates to Antian House for a bundle present, and the proposal is for a change of use of the existing single family dwelling house to a residential children's care home for free children. This is the site location plan. Just before I carry on with the presentation, I would like to just clarify on page one of the committee report, the relevant site for history relates to Carla House. So there was an application that was submitted this year for Antian House, but there's been some misunderstanding with regards to the address details, so I just want to clarify that there has been no applications for a children's home at Carla House and this was meant to be for Antian House, so I'd like that to be noted. And that was a section 192 application, which is a certificate application, which the applicant sought a deemed consent to say that it would be lawful from C3A to C3B. However, we regarded it as being unlawful because under certificate application, it requires that a residential carer would need to reside at the premises 24 hours, and that should be their living, primary living space. So if that can be noted, please. Thank you. Can you just confirm the previous one that was unlawful? That was for exactly the same. It was exactly the same thing. Yes. Nothing has happened with next door at Carla House. No, there's no applications at Carla House and that is still in single family dwelling house. Thank you. OK, so the existing property is a two story semi-detached four bedroom house. And as I said, the care home would be for three children between the ages of 10 and 17 years of age. So this is the site location and that's the aerial image. So originally this was a detached property and over a period of time it's been subdivided into a pair of semi-detached properties. So the one on the right hand side is Carla House and to the left is the subject property Antion House. Again, site photographs. Members have been out on site visit. So this is the rear elevation and this is the garden. This is the existing and the proposed ground floor plan. So the layout is that there is a reception, one kitchen, dining at ground floor level. And then you have one bedroom and a staff room at first floor level. And then there is two bedrooms within the loft space. So a detailed statement has been provided by the applicant displaying the need for a children's care home as well as detailed schedule of staff and general activities. It's proposed that 10 members of staff will be employed with a maximum of three members of staff at any one time at the premises. So the children will be manned 24 hours a day and between two free shifts changes per day will happen. So most of staff would travel by public transport with the bulk of the children's activities executed internally by staff. We have consulted environmental health, highways officers, NHS and children's services and there have been no objections to the proposed use. Considering its setting as well as information provided by the applicant, the need for a children's care home, albeit at the loss of a residential dwelling, has been identified. The applicant has also confirmed the children's home will house children from Barnet social services. However, their services will also be offered to neighbouring boroughs. The children's care home on balance is considered acceptable in principle and character. With regards to impacts on neighbouring amenity, given the total number of children and staff at any one time, the occupancy level of care home would be the same as that of a residential dwelling house living as one family household, therefore would not result in any over intensification of use of the site. The children's care home would benefit children requiring care. The recommendation is to approve the application. Thank you, chair. We have Stulman Rahman is reading an objection from Jimmy Hakim, I think. Mr Rahman is here. And is there somebody else who wishes to speak on this? Sorry, we have had down here there may be another person, but have we got your name? Is she registered? You're not an objector, you're not registered as a speaker. No, but you haven't put in your objections and said that you're willing to speak, so you're not registered as a speaker, I'm afraid. Jimmy Hakim is registered as an objector and Stulman Rahman is reading his objections. Okay. Is that all right? Is there a difficulty with language or? I have here Mr Rahman is going to speak. As with the previous one, we won't be able to ask your questions because you're speaking on behalf of the objector, Jimmy Hakim. But if you can read his statement, we'll hear that. You have three minutes to read the statement and you'll be given a warning when you have a minute left. Thank you. Yes. Hello, good evening. Thank you very much for giving me a chance to speak. My name is Mr Rahman. I've lived on this random person for 34 years. Jimmy's been my neighbor for 20 years. Mina has been my neighbor for about five, six years now, five years now, you know, we all know each other. It's a nice residential road. The whole road, you know, is single dwelling, single family homes. Yes, I'm for yes. No, Jimmy Hakim. No, no, I'm speaking on behalf of Jimmy Hakim. We've known each other for 20 years. So, you know, very nice road. And the applicants already been using this place as a children's quote children's home for a while now. Right. And it's been an absolute nightmare. You know, a young man has come out of the house, spat on my daughter's car, and she sat there crying, call my son to help her. Right. A young man has come chase my son into our house up to the driveway. You know, the number of time police have come. Right. It's unbelievable. A nice quiet road. It's been a nightmare. There's an alleyway in front of my house. Right. I can see young people from the house, go into the alleyway, buy drugs, go back to the house. One time, a young lady bought some stuff from a dealer into the alleyway that's in front of my house, came and hid behind because they can't take it into the house. She hid behind my car in my driveway. And I have it on CCTV, put foil and put a lighter under it. And I asked my son, what's she doing? And my son said she's doing crack cocaine on our driveway. You know, it's been hell. You know, I don't know what they make out to be. One evening, someone came out of the house and said, we've lost someone. Have you seen this person of such and such a description? She was running up and down the road. You know, people wondering, honestly, the sort of impression they give, you know. You have one minute remaining. Yes. Take this from the last year. It's daily. The police have been there. I've got it in my phone with you every single day. Sorry, don't eat. I know it's around. I can speak. Yes. Sorry. I mean, I said my name is, the police have been there daily. It's a nightmare. People don't have any idea what this means. It's not 10 year old children. It's people bigger than me wandering down the street, you know, at night. They have no control of the situation. You know, I'm living with it. My daughters live with it. My son's been threatened into our house. We're living with it. You know, I don't know what your theories are, but we're living with the reality of it. We didn't pay millions of pounds to live in this street. When we bring this type of people to opposite us, we didn't do that. They can find themselves in our house. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We're not able to speak. You wouldn't live like that. Have you anything more to say on behalf of Mr Hacking? Yeah. He said also it's completely out of character with the road. Okay. Completely. That's time. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. And then we have the applicant, Mr Asefa. No, no, because he was speaking on behalf of the objector, so you can't answer the question. Mr Asefa, would you like to come forward? Again, if you can introduce yourself, then you have three minutes to speak and be given a warning when you have a minute left. Sure. Good evening, everybody. Thank you for having me here. My name is Asefa. I'm the director of the children's home. So I have 10 years of experience in running children's homes. We're an offset regulated good provider. We have probably about five children's homes within London and about 30 other semi-independent placements in and around London, as far down south to up north to Harrow. In regards to the complaints from the gentleman behind the neighbour, we have had no women, no female children in the home, so I'm not sure where they could have come from. So our placements that we've had in the past have been only males. Another incident he mentioned was there were big people adults. We're ASEFA regulated, so we're only allowed to have children within the certain ages that we're permitted to, which is, in our case, 10 to 15-year-olds. So I'm not sure of these incidences. I believe he said his son or somebody was attacked perhaps, or I believe he said somebody was attacked. I've had no police records or incidences or anything like this have come to us. Furthermore, our neighbours directly right next door at the house right next door to us, sorry, excuse me, Carter House, sorry, there are young residents there in a family, two or three sons, and we've had no incidents of them either. That's all I have to say. I'm open for any questions. Questions, Councillor Callick? Yeah, can I just have some clarification? Have you been using this property as a children's home prior to this application? Yes, so prior to this application we have had residents there. And for how long? Probably about a year. Well, I couldn't give you the specific date. I think probably it's going to be January, December 23, January 24. Thank you. Chair? Sorry, Councillor Roberts. Thank you. I think you said you've not had any specific complaints from the police about misbehaviour disruption at this care home. So, what I said was in regards to the attack on the gentleman's son, I believe my understanding was he said his son was attacked or his son was approached, my understanding is what he said, I believe. We've had no complaints in regards to that. We haven't heard anything in regards to that. When we first moved onto the street, we introduced ourselves, I actually did it myself, we introduced myself to my neighbours, myself and my colleague. This is the first two days of moving in. In regards to police, police have been called to the placements in the past by ourselves. I'm not sure if police have been called by neighbours, but police have been called by ourselves and we have had those police cab numbers and this is when we've had to ask the police to move young people and so if any young person has been an issue or concern to the home, we end our placements and ask the police to take them back to social services and that has happened in the past when the child has been a nuisance, no, excuse me, but has caused problems in the home and we have had to, you know, end our contracts. How often has that been the case? That's, I've ended the contract once. Just once? Sorry, twice, twice, two different contracts within that home, yes. So the objector was implying, or seemed to be implying, that this was taking place on a regular basis? So this is, this here was prior six months or seven months, so this is, well, this was up to probably March, February, March and what happened was is we have to do a risk assessment and we decided which type of residence we would like to work with and which type of residence we further don't choose, we don't want to work with, so I'm sure the name was also confirmed. There hasn't been any issues since probably February, March of this year upon our new risk assessment. Mr Barnes? Can I just ask what sort of needs, I mean, it may have changed after your reassessment, but what sort of needs these children do have who you are housing in this property? So moving forward now after our risk assessment, to be clear, so the young people now coming after our risk assessment are typically between 10 and 13 years of age, so once again they're not coming from units, no more secure units, which is where some of them were coming from prior, now it's young people who are not able to live with their parents, have come from domestic violence, domestic violence homes and now taking them in to protect them in in in our homes. That's upon our risk assessment. Okay, Councillor Conway. I'd like to ask you a bit more, so you've been running for about a year, you said, in January the ruling came that this was that you were running amorphously, that you were children's operating, children's home amorphally, but you're still doing it, you haven't ceased between them. So the placements, the placements have been running while the application has been going and we're just waiting for information, because we were told that we should have, to be honest with you, I believe this is the the the application being put on hold by the planner and we was told that we should have got a notification by March gone, so we've just been waiting for the update and only just recently what has been told, it's been pushed the committee now. All right, the application for planning was presented. Yes, yes, because the initial application was was a law for development, was a law for development application, because all our replacements have been law for development, so we had started our law for development application, we were then told that it needs, we need to now go for a full planning application, which we're initially unaware of, which we started and from then we've still been at placement. And are you registered with Ofsted? Yes, we are registered with Ofsted. And what's their view about you, I mean you're probably operating not quite long enough maybe to have an inspection yet, but they must have, you must have had communication with them for your registration, so how's that? So our placements up to now, which are the placements we've now stopped at DOLS, they're DOLS applications, yeah, so on the DOLS applications we were able to run the service without the the application, the Ofsted registration. Quite sure I understand that. My other one is about how you're running it, looking at what you submitted about the activities, the staffing and the activities that are provided. The children who are there seem to be not going to school, but having one hour a day, or is it two hours a day, of educational activity with care staff. So should they not be going to school? What is the situation with the children that you're looking after there? So placements, referrals, excuse me, referrals could come at any time within the year. Academic school would perhaps allow you to come in either September or perhaps in January, so if it's a case where it's in July and we may, let's say for example, if you're taking a referral in July, you can't actually place them until September, so what we do is we would homeschool them until the next entry for schools. Application of the activities that showed them just having educational activity for two hours a day, no schooling, I didn't mention them going to school at all, but they will be going to school. From now they've been registered with schools and they're going to school? So for example, I'll give you a case, so there'll be, for an example, a case would be where a young person may have come during the period, there was no more entries to school, we would then homeschool them until we can get them back into school. What we'll do is calling somebody to come, calling out a tuition to come into the placement and give them tuition within the homes, or activities within the community. Yes, I'm not really clear about all this. What age are the three children, three boys that are there at the moment? Ten to fifteen. Not clear, I'm not sure, but I have no further questions at the moment. Any other questions? Councillor Bond. Would you like me to make anything clear at all? So are these children under 24-hour supervision? Correct, yes. So overnight supervision? Correct, two members of staff. Okay, all right, thank you. Okay, thank you very much. I'm sorry, you're not able to say any more, thank you. If I can ask the officers, if you can clarify about how this, about the operation of this care home, how that reflects on application for planning permission? Well, the operation of the care home is under 24-hour supervision, so there will be, as the gentleman said, two members of staff on the premises throughout day and night. So the children that are in care will be supervised throughout the day and night, basically. I'm not clear that this home is run properly or effectively from what we've heard, but is that something we can take into account in an application for planning or not? Well, as far as we're concerned, it's been running, well, as far as I'm concerned, the application was for proposed use, but it appears, because they say they're providing supervision, although, yeah, that's right, I mean, it appears that the use began when the certificate of application came in, because this application was submitted in January and the certificate was made unlawful in January, so it appears that they've obviously began use back then. But with, I mean, obviously, we wouldn't hear of problems, and we have consulted environmental health, and normally, if there are any issues and complaints from the neighbours, normally they would consult environmental health with regards to unsocial behaviour, but I'm not aware of any unsocial behaviour taking place at the premises. I'm sorry, I can't hear any more from you. Just very briefly, also, the Speaker said it was registered with Ofsted, and so some of the issues you're talking about are potentially Ofsted, the issues that would be reported as regards to management of the home going forward, so your decision tonight relates to any planning issues. So I think you've just answered that, but I've just Googled the Ofsted report on this company, and it requires improvement to be good. Are we saying that we can't take that into account when getting rid of a family, single-dwelling family home on a road, which is generally family, to be taken by a company which, As Ofsted has said, requires improvement to be good? Where does it fall into planning, where does it fall into safeguarding? In my opinion, that doesn't, for example, if it was a school and they needed improving and was at the lot, you wouldn't be refusing the application relating to the school, and it's the same. So I'm not saying it's not an issue, or potential issue, sorry, but it's, as far as I'm concerned, that's for another agency to deal. Yeah, this is where my difficulty comes, because from what we've heard from the Ofsted report, and from the owner and operator of this home, it does appear to be not running very well as a home, and I'm concerned that we give planning permission for operation to a home that isn't running effectively. This is a planning application. It's a planning application, yes. I have concern for the children who live there. And if Brigitte was still here, Director of Children's Services, I think she'll probably say that Barnet would not be placing children in a facility that's only rated as requires improvement. So this is a planning application we're dealing with, and that's it? As I say, we need to decide whether this location is a suitable location for this sort of establishment, and we need to disregard any problems that there may or may not be with the organisation. Sorry, as Councillor Barnes just said, its decision is whether this is a suitable location, or for us. Now, taking into account, can we take into account the occurrences that happened to decide whether this is a suitable location? Yeah, no, sorry. As I said, it is time to off-state, just like it was the education, and I do not think you can. Also, you don't have that evidence in front of you. You've heard from it, and I'm not disputing what was said, but a lot of what was said does not necessarily, or maybe all, relate to the house. That's not a reason for refusal. Those are other issues. Anti-social behaviour can be an issue for the police or other organisations, but it is not necessarily, and I don't think in this case, a planning issue. I think we need to look at the mixed character of the area, and decide whether the change of use would be within keeping with the mixed character. So there are flats and HMOs already existing. It's within very close proximity to public transport, local facilities, the underground station. So the officers consider that this will be in characteristics, although there are residential, but the actual premises will also be used as if it's one single family house, because there wouldn't be any more than six people living together at any one time. So there is no intensification of use of the premises. Thank you. So there's nothing else. We will go to a vote. The officers are recommending approval. All those in favour of approval? Two. Those against? One. Two not voting. So this application is approved. This application has been approved on planning terms. Thank you. Thank you. We have finished with this item. If you heard what was being said, we've carefully considered planning consideration. Thank you. We're going to move on now. The decision has been made. It's now nine o'clock and we're going to move on. I hope you heard from the discussion that you're not. It's five, eight minutes past now. I'm going to take a very brief comfort break for three minutes. Good evening all. Hello. Good evening all. So this application is that Edgware-Hedbury Road proposing variations of condition four related to the levels of a grant of permission for an 18-hole golf course. So the amendments are due to, you know, safety reasons, so they require slight alterations to holes six, eight, nine and 18. So the application outline boundary is this area here. It used to be a mix of arable farmland and now it's, you know, the implement, the grant of permission has been implemented in so far as that ground works and excavation works have taken place. So the scheme is extended. So this is a site photograph facing south, which is in the top portion of the site here where that pond is, if you can see that there. This is facing west towards the A41. Just for context, sorry, the site is bounded by the M1 to the north, Edgware way to the west, facing east. So on the drawings here on the left, this is part of the approved application. On the right is the current proposal. So you can see some slight cosmetic changes, namely the ponds, but there are some level changes that take place across the cross section of the site. I mean, the variations are minor to the degree you can barely distinguish between proposed levels and the approved levels. So the red line at the top of the screen there, that is the proposed and in and amongst it, you can, the approved one is there as well. Variations are minor, but sufficient enough to require planning permission. So this cross section here follows this line across the site. So no changes have taken place to the approved application. So the scheme of the principle of the golf course is acceptable. No changes there, no impacts and neighboring a mean scene. Additional information was required in terms of ecological information, but that's been provided and that will be conditioned to ensure compliance. No objections raised by internal or external consultees. So we are recommending approval subject to a deterioration, which is to basically transfer the legal, the heads of terms, the legal agreement into this current application. So that legal agreement included the travel plan of which the monitoring contribution has already been paid in full, ecological information, which I just mentioned earlier. And alongside that, what is it? It's to ensure, so there was an equestrian business on site and as part of that, they needed to secure a suitable location and an associated lease. So they fulfilled that and have agreed to that to 2029. So as such, we are recommending approval subject to a legal agreement. Does anyone have any questions? Thank you. We have one speaker on this, Robert Husband. Mr Husband is here? No? Therefore the applicant is not here or the agent. So have members any questions or comments to make on this? Otherwise, we will go straight to the vote. The office's recommendation is for approval. All those in favour of approval. That's all. This application is approved. Thank you very much. And the next item is Roman House. Thank you, Chair. The application is for Roman House, which is a four-storey building at 296 Golders Green Road. It's currently in use partly as offices, but also as a health medical facility run by HCA Healthcare in conjunction with the Wellington Hospital, whose main base is in St. John's Wood. The proposal is a part four, part five-storey side and rear extension to continue the medical use as an additional storey on top of the existing building together with associated works. So this is the location plan. So this is the North Circular up here. So it's one of the first buildings on the left as you come away from the North Circular. This is the building here. Backs onto these blocks of flats at James, close to the rear here. And Riverside is a block of flats on this side. Opposite, there's a redevelopment to provide a new synagogue. And then this is 125 Princes Parade, which has also got planning permission for redevelopment up to four or five storeys. The site here is the site of 290294 Golders Green Road, which has permission for development of 111 flats. As far as I'm aware, work has not yet started on that scheme. So as you can see, the context are, as we saw on site yesterday, four-storey buildings are the norm in the area. So here we go, this is Riverside Drive here. Block of flats, that's the North Circular. And this is the front view of the existing house. And these are the blocks at St. James Court to the rear. Along here, you'll see this treed verge at the rear of the site. That's the decoy brook. And in fact, that part of the site lies within flood zone three. These are some site photographs here. So this is the entrance of the site. This is the building, car park, and this is the relationship to Riverside Drive flats. And that's a view from inside the site, looking to the rear. Photograph of the front showing existing disabled parking spaces. And a view from standing in the rear, looking back up towards Golders Green Road. As you can see, the site slopes from south to north. That's the current entrance. And that's the rear context, looking back up towards Golders Green Road. This is the building. And then this is Riverside Drive. You can see number of windows and balconies which serve those blocks of flats. This is the existing elevation. This is just an example of or image of the approved development next door, which I say hasn't yet commenced. But you can see the relative scales of the adjoining sites. That's the side elevation facing Riverside Drive. And the rear elevation with the brook at the back. The existing lower ground floor, which has got accommodation towards the rear here. And the parking area, this shows you Decoy Brook. And that existing treed verge, which provides a buffer zone to the brook. And the existing ground floor, first and second, third and fourth floors. And the roof plan. So the proposed building. So this is the additional floor, which would be put on top of the existing building. Then this is the four-storey extension to the side, which also wraps around to the rear. But again, you can see it would step up from the property on the left-hand side at Riverside, but would still be lower than the approved development next door. So this would be the side elevation facing Riverside Drive. It's easier to see from the floor plan, but the actual side extension here is set back from the front of the building. So it has a more subservient appearance from the front. These windows here would all be obscure glazed. There's no possibility of overlooking of the Riverside Drive flats and balconies. This is the rear elevation that you see from James Close, although there is a quite significant tree screen along the back boundary here. This is the proposed lower ground. So this is the existing building here. And this is the proposed lower ground, which has sort of service accommodation. It's also going to have below, if I go up to ground floor, the car parking area, which is going to be on a raised deck at the back to try and minimize digging and foundations within the buffer zone alongside the brook. But the ground floor, obviously, for the main building here, the new accommodation, and then the parking area and the servicing arrangements to serve the new building. So in terms of appearance and design, this is the original, quite an unusual shaped building. This is mirrored in the new building to try and articulate this elevation. So it's not just a blank elevation, sort of similar recessed areas and cut-ins have been accommodated as on the existing building. So this is the proposed first and second floor. Similarly, this is the third floor and a void area is retained out here between the two buildings. And this is the fourth floor. And then as we go up to the top level, there's that new fifth floor. Sorry, that's the fifth floor, which is on the existing building only. The new extension to the side and rear is up to four floors. So this is a CGI. So the red brick is the existing building. This is the new building, which would be in a buff brick, so a bit of a contrast. As I said, it's set back from the front elevation, so it appears more subordinate to the main house rather than bringing it up, the main building, rather than bringing it up in line with the front elevation. And this area here is that additional story to be built on top of the existing building. And the two roof elements will be bronze, zinc, clad, and that will tie the two buildings together at roof level. And that's another CGI, as you see from Golders Green Road on the opposite side of the road. Again, showing the unbuilt development next door to this side and the existing riverside flats to this side. And that's a view of the side extension. So the key considerations are that the building is lawfully in use for medical and healthcare use. It's essentially a diagnostic and a centre providing outpatient facilities, physiotherapy, cardiology, various services. It's obviously run privately, but takes a lot of patients from the Wellington Hospital in St. John's Wood. This is effective. There's a kind of outpatient department, so there's no A&E, there's no acute services here, no ambulances or anything like that going in and out. It's just for outpatient appointments. There's no loss in commercial floor space, obviously, and there's no proposed in principle objection to increasing the floor space for this much needed facility. One of the other opportunities it creates is to relocate a very local NHS GP surgery from Finchley Road who have outgrown their building and need to relocate. They can be accommodated in this building. And it would also accommodate the increased demand for the services provided by the centre as set out by the Wellington Hospital in letters of support for the application. The side extension is set back, set down, appears subordinate, although obviously it's a large extension, it does appear subordinate in scale to the existing building when seen from the road frontage. There are no extensions on the side of the building adjacent to Golders Green, building next door at 290. The side extension is set away by a minimum of 15.7 metres at ground floor, extending up to 17 on the upper floors from Riverside Drive, which provides, officers consider, provides adequate separation between those buildings so as to maintain outlook for Riverside Drive residents. And at the rear, there's a buffer of nearly 18 metres between the proposal and nearest building at Jane's Close. Sunlight and daylight report was submitted, which shows negligible or very insignificant impacts to a very small number of windows, particularly at Riverside Drive, but not considered to be, have caused significant detriment to the light experienced by those residents. If I can just draw members attention to the addendum, which contains the original recommendation one, which requires a legal agreement for travel plan contributions, review of CPZ contributions, which have been recommended by the highways officers and also a carbon offset contribution. Thank you. Thank you. We have one speaker on this, Daniel Austin, if you'd like to turn your microphone on, there's a picture of the face. If you can introduce yourself, you have three minutes to speak. You'll be given a warning when you have one minute left. Yes, I'm Daniel Austin. I've lived at five James Close for the last 32 years. So I've got quite a good memory of the developers. This is not a new issue. The developers think developers have been trying their utmost to develop the land as much as possible and put up the biggest possible building they can get away with. From my flat at the rear of the building, the proposed site, it's five James Close, I will lose probably about two hours of sunshine into my flat during the summer. During the winter, the sun doesn't get high enough. Together with the development proposal of 292 Golders Green Road, there will be what would look like a complete overdevelopment and a brick wall around the semicircular site of James Close. I'm also worried that the development intrudes on the brook, which is subject to flooding, decoy brook. There is a legal covenant whereby the developers are not allowed to develop within two to three meters of the top of the bank, not the water, the top of the bank of the brook, because our block of flats sold the land to the current developers some decades ago. If you look back through the history of Roman House developments, you'll know that we've basically been opposing their developments and proposals for the last 25 years, certainly since, well, in my memory. I'm also old enough to remember, I've lived long enough to remember the original residents told me some time ago that the top floor of Roman House and the unusual shape of Roman House, which was alluded to by the planning officer, is due to the fact that when they were given permission to put up Roman House, the developer or the owner simply ignored the three-story proposal. It was originally meant to be three stories, Roman House. They simply ignored all the council prohibitions and went and stuck another fourth story on top of the building. I don't object completely to the development, actually. I've used a Wellington House, I've actually used the services in there. I'm just worried about the fact that it encroaches on the brook. That's time, thank you. And if they could just move it back a bit, thanks. Any questions, Councillor Conway? The report mentions that a daylight sunlight overshadowing report has been undertaken and that is negligible. Any losses negligible? Well, nobody's contacted me and there's been nobody on my balcony or on my neighbour's balconies, as far as I'm concerned. The report only mentions Riverside Drive, it doesn't mention the developer, the developing officers, I don't think has visited James Close and she hasn't mentioned loss of light or James Close. You've mentioned at the moment you only get two hours sunlight during the winter. I don't get any sunlight in winter because the sun's too low. Right, so this is going to make things worse, you're saying? Well, in summer and I keep a lot of flowers on my balcony, truthable as it may be, but it is nice to have the sun at least for six months of the year, March to September shining into my room. Can you show us exactly where you are? I've got two blocks there. Have you got a pointless stick? Yeah, not that block, the next block, that's it and I'm facing south west towards Roman House and I've seen all the... Which floor are you on? I'm on the first floor at the rear, not the ground but the first floor. Facing that way? Facing south west, yeah, so it will go, I look right at Roman House. There's a brook and a lot of trees and greenery between but you still think that that's going to impact on you? Yeah, and on the gardens of James Close. I've no real objection to the development other than the fact that it just needs to be shifted back a bit. Okay, thank you. Thank you very much. Then we have the agent of Lewis Westhoff. Thank you Mr Westhoff and again if you can introduce yourself, you have three minutes to speak and we'll give you a warning when you have one minute left. Yeah, my name is Lewis Westhoff, I'm the planning agent and I work at a company called Icini Projects. Firstly, thank you all for your time. I'm absolutely delighted to speak this evening in support of this planning application for Roman House. It's been a privilege to work on this project with the applicant, the wider design team and most importantly with officers throughout the council through a very detailed pre-application process and assessment process and this is Colmette and us being here this evening to discuss a project that we're all really enthusiastic about and one that if it's granted planning commission will deliver a significant number of planning benefits, particularly to the health and well-being of the local community. The applicant of this project is Mr David Rosenberg. He's a local resident and business owner and has really made it his personal mission to see Roman House become a medical facility and centre of excellence. He's been working very closely with the principal tenant HCA Healthcare or the Wellington Hospital, as officers mentioned, to expand and operate their diagnostic centre on site since 2006. It's now a real success story and it's done some great things for the local community throughout COVID and again and it's great that they wish to stay on site in the future and his passion and drive is really why we're here this evening. The proposal that we've prepared will really cater for the long-term needs of the Wellington Hospital on site. It'll provide some fit-for-purpose modern space but more importantly, as officers mentioned too, it'll enable Dr Adler to relocate on site as well and provide them with some real purpose-built facilities as well and ideally that's going to be closer to his existing catchment of patients. So the scheme we've designed will cater for both public and private services and we see this as a scheme. It's going to benefit all walks of the community but it's not only these great benefits that the scheme will deliver. We've also sought to go above and beyond in many other ways in terms of planning policy. You have one minute remaining. Thank you. We're delivering an architectural approach that is context-driven with high quality materials and the use of appropriate setbacks and design measures to protect the immunity of our neighbours. We have done a detailed daylight sunlight report that has considered James close both with this scheme and the extant scheme next door. We're retaining all trees on site and complementing this with 65 new trees, shrubs and other planting to improve biodiversity and ecology outcomes on site. We're delivering an open greening factor of 0.43 and a biodiversity net gain in excess of 12%. We've also thought about the immunity of our closer neighbours on Riverside Drive. We've looked at providing some obscure glazing on those windows too to ensure an appropriate relationship is there and parking's obviously been another consideration too and we've delivered a parking quantum on site that's specifically based on the proposed operation of the facility and we're also providing dedicated pick-up and drop-off facilities at the front of the site too. That's time, thank you. Thank you. I'm happy to answer any other questions you have. Okay, thank you. One of the concerns from this objection and from others who've written in is about the brook, being so close to the brook. So I wonder if you could comment on the effects of that and the motivation of any flooding risk. Yeah, so we've worked very closely with some engineers from Davies Maguire and they've been engaging very closely with the local lead flood authority on that. We specifically engage with them during the pre-application process because that rear 20% of the site is flood zone 3 which was mentioned before too. We've been very careful about what sort of works would happen at the rear of the site too and one of the things that the LLFA told us to do was to ensure that we have a five meter buffer zone which you can see in this image here which is denoted by that sort of red hatch. So all of our buildings at that lower ground floor or ground floor if you're at the rear of the site is set back from that buffer zone and I think one of the other real positives of this scheme too is we've designed a really excellent sub-scheme on site too. So we've really thought about how we can control surface water runoff and ensure that flood risk on other properties will be improved. So we've got a series of attenuation tanks which you can see there with that sort of blue hatched area in the car park there. We've got blue roofs, green roofs and additional landscaping too and it will actually deliver 92% betterment than the current situation on site in terms of flood risk and runoff so that's something that we're very proud of. So there is a five meter buffer zone. We heard there should be three meters but there is five meters. That's correct yeah and we've sort of verified that through some detailed survey information as well so we're very confident about that. And then I note that for Riverside Drive you have all of the obscure glazed windows on that side so it's not going to affect if that's in Riverside Drive. But the rear there, as you've seen from James Close, especially with the new block that's going up at some point next door whenever they get back to carrying out their planning commission, it does look as though it's going to be enclosing and affecting James Close a lot so one of you comment a bit more on that. Yeah well I mean we've thought very closely about James Close and all of our neighbours really in designing the scape so I think the closest point which is the sort of the real sort of pointy end of James Close is about 17.7 meters in terms of separation distances and I think it's about 21 meters to the closest balcony so there is quite a large I suppose separation already if you sort of measure it on plan but I think members you've all been on on site as well it is a very very dense and verdant green buffer that will be retained as well so there is that that natural separation that's there. Daylight sunlight's been very very important as well as we mentioned we've really thought carefully about how the scheme can how we can optimize the scheme whilst protecting the amenity so as I said we did a detailed report for James Close in particular considering just this scheme in isolation but also with the scheme next door at 290 to 294 and it achieved 100% BRE compliance so we think that the scheme has a very appropriate relationship with James Close to the rear and the amenity of those residents and the gentleman that spoke earlier will be will be retained. Where are the new trees you can be planting because we're taking some down along that bank presumably. Yep so yeah so a combination really I think perhaps if so there's a couple of things if you allow me to indulge you too in terms of what we what we did in some of the early iterations so the car parking deck that sort of runs along the western boundary we previously proposed to continue that at grade but if we wanted to provide new surface in there it would have unfortunately meant those trees along the boundary would have to be removed because those routes would be impacted so we came up with an engineering solution to to kind of keep that that ramp going and all of those trees can be retained so by doing that there's been the ability to plant some additional trees along along that boundary. Along the rear of the site as well there's some existing kind of shrubs that would be sort of removed and replaced and retained there'd be some additional planting along the eastern boundary and I think maybe if we're able to get a CGI up to lots of new landscaping along the frontage of the site too so the current front of the site is is pretty poor it has sort of bins there and quite an ugly gate so we've actually designed a nice sort of hard and soft landscape frontage there to the to the site too so yeah so we've sort of maximized as much as we can and and on the roofs as well where we've been able to we've provided green roofs and blue roofs as well and also managed to squeeze some PV panels on there too. A couple of us were wondering about what's a blue roof, you know what a green roof is, so what's blue? So it's a very good question, the way it was I'm not an engineer but the way it was explained to me was you've effectively got a green roof which probably you're all aware of too and underneath that was almost kind of like an eggshell type not so an egg carton type situation so that sits on the roof and then the the green roof sits on top so when the water slowly filters through the green roof it then sits in kind of the if you imagine your carton of eggs with the eggs out the water would sit there and that would kind of slow the release of water leaving the site so it's very it's very it's very you know it's a very interesting kind of model too and I've been told it really helps with the thermal performance of buildings too because axe is a bit of a an additional kind of insulation layer too. I'm wondering if it was a lake or a swimming pool on the roof or something. A bit more engineering in it than that. Yes the final question, is there something about GP surgery using it? Is this going to be an IHS GP surgery and has has an agreement been you don't have to say which surgery it is but yes has that been? Yes so yes I'm happy to sort of mention it too so Dr Adler sort of is about half a mile away on Finchley Road, he's in a converted semi-detached house with no disabled access, no pick-up drop-off facilities or anything like that whatsoever so as part of this scheme as I mentioned the applicants got a good relationship sort of locally too and we're providing space within the scheme for them to relocate here so they'll now have the proper modern facilities, disabled access, proper pick-up and drop-off for those who need to get here and it would also remain in a within walking distance for the majority of patients and there was a bit of a straw poll that was done by Dr Adler too and I've been told that the majority of the patients would actually live closer to Roman House and the current Finchley Road site. It's going to have a community benefit very much as well, thank you very much. Yes any further questions? Sorry I've been asking a lot, no thank you very much. Any further comments, questions, the officers? No if we go to the vote on that one then the officers recommendations for approval all those in favour of approval that's all that application is approved. I'll try and do at least one more before we say we're going to move on so the next one is one definitely closed see if we can start by 10 o'clock and move on. Thank you chair. This item relates to number one definitely close it's part of the Dolice Valley redevelopment site which is complete. The proposal is for shall I carry on? The proposal is for part single part two storey rear extension. The members have also been out on the site visit. This is the site location plan and this is the aerial photograph of when the development was actually under construction. Unfortunately google images don't give us the complete development as it's fairly new. This is the proposed block plan and that's where the extension is going so this is the house that's the site. This is Brent Place on the right hand side and Aphrodite Court apartments to the left. Site photographs this is facing onto Brent Place. This one again faces onto Brent Place. Brent Place is sited at a higher level and the application site is at a lower level. This is the rear elevation of the property and this is the front elevation of the property. So there's more site photographs so we have Aphrodite Court Apartments which is the fair distance away from the boundary of the application site and again this is the sort of facing to the rear part of Aphrodite Court Apartments and same with this. So these are the existing and proposed ground floor plans so that's the existing and the proposal is to extend 3.8 meters deep and across 15.9 meters wide which is across the whole width of the property with a flat roof design approximately 3.2 meters high. This is the first floor planned. This is the existing and the first floor again would be 3.8 meters deep and it's 5.3 meters wide. Existing and proposed rear elevations. This is where the first floor extension is. It's 5.9 meters to east side and it's approximately 6.4 meters to the overall pitch. The officers have consulted with the design team and is the view of the officers that the design of the proposal relates well to the existing dwelling house. There has been objections where Brent Place has sort of objected with regards to overlooking and loss of privacy. There is a new window that's been proposed within the first floor elevation facing Brent Place. However, yes this is the elevation that faces onto Brent Place. There is an existing window that's facing Brent Place and as I said earlier on the sighting of Brent Place is at a higher level and this is the lower level so there would be no overlooking and the existing window is already there. There's no overlooking from that so the actual proposed window would go in the flank elevation of the first floor first floor extension. Okay, it is noted that there has been a tree that's been felled which was part of the original development which was considered to be kept. However, unfortunately that's been felled but there is a condition that's attached to this permission if the members are minded to approve the application this evening that there is a condition will be attached for replacement planting an appropriate size the tree will be planted in the rear garden to replace what's been lost basically. So just to run through the powerpoint slide proposed side elevations and this is the additional window that's looking towards the second floor. That's looking towards Brent Place that's the existing so there will be no additional adverse overlooking impacts to those residential properties cited on Brent Place. Okay, so just to summarize the overall design works well with the main house which the main house is of a modern alternative nature. It's considered that it would add architectural interest to the rear renovation by having a pitch roof. The extension would be suited for distance by 4.3 meters from the boundary of numbers 38 and 38A Brent Place which are as I said on a higher level thus it would not lead to a loss of light or overshadowing or overlooking and a car park courtyard buffer zone measuring at least 10.6 meters would separate between the proposal and aphrodite to court apartments with views towards them through the proposed first of all window achieved at limited oblique angles. The officers recommend approval subject to conditions. Thank you. Thank you. We have one speaker Mr. Correa. No it's not here or the agent Ankit Patel. Mr. Patel if you could switch the microphone on there's a button with a face on it. It's difficult to see it. Oh of course sorry. If you can introduce yourself you have three minutes to speak and we'll let you give it a warning when you have one minute left. All right sure thank you. Good evening. Before I move to the main topic of this rear extension I would just like to clarify one thing about the tree. The tree was removed after getting permission from council. Once we had the go ahead. So I was talking about the tree which was removed which is the main cause of comments which received the objections. Now the tree was removed after getting the permission from the council. Now many of the complaints they think that it was removed to make space for this rear extension but that was not the case. The tree was already faltering and in December last year one of the branches no clues and it was almost fell on the shoulder of his son was playing in the garden. That's when the owners decided to get rid of the tree. Now coming back to the extensions well I don't have much to say as you have said about the elevations and the distance from the proposed extension to the to the adjacent flats. You can see that the proposal it harmonizes nicely with the existing elevations. The extension by no means hinders anyone's light or view. Yeah so that's it nothing more if you have any questions. Well thank you any questions? No thank you very much. Any further questions or comments the officers? No should we go to the vote then the officer's recommendations for approval all those in favor of approval that's all that application is approved. We have two items left and it's five to ten. The constitution says that these meetings should finish at ten but I'm authorizing that we can go on until a maximum of ten thirty. So the next item is 811 High Road. Hi good evening so I'm here to present an application for change of use of retail unit into new restaurants and one smaller retail unit at 811 High Road. So the application side concerns the ground floor commercial unit of a three-story building formerly occupied by Flying Tiger. The application site is within the town center is designated as primary retail frontage. The application site is also identified as a retail zone in the North Finchley town center framework. So here's the site photo showing the front, rear and internal. So following the committee members visit on the 2nd of September it was observed that the dividing wall has been erected inside the proposed restaurant which appeared to have subdivided a unit. The applicant has confirmed that this wall will be removed in the event of approval. So members are minded that there is a format position on the previous approved scheme to simplify the existing Class E into two Class E units in which the principle of the development is considered acceptable. Therefore the key considerations is that for this application is the impact of the proposed restaurant with the re-adducting in terms of characters, neighbors amenities, highway and waste management. So this is the layout and the proposed proposal will lead to the subdivision of the existing 160 square meter unit into two smaller units of 47 square meter supermarket and a 55 square meter restaurant. And this is the front elevation and the short alterations to the short front is deemed acceptable. And the adducting would be placed on the southern block of the building where the red arrow is and it's 1.5 meter taller than the ridge line but it's quite a 25 meter away from the front facade which is not quite feasible and therefore the adducting would not look disproportionately in scale massing and design. So the impact on neighbors amenities. So it is noted that the adducting would be located near to the residential flats above but our environmental health offices has viewed the noise impact assessment and the order management plan and it was deemed acceptable subject to conditions. And it's also the opening hours of the shops and the restaurant would be controlled and there would not be any seating arrangement for the restaurants. So therefore we just want to reiterate that we have got a follow-up position on the previous approved schemes and we noted that there's a lot of concerns related to the introduction of hot food takeaway and that would lead to unhealthy diet but this proposal is not for hot food takeaway as it will fall into a sui generis use class and if they would like to have hot food takeaway they have to submit a further plan application for it. So therefore the application is recommended for approval subject to conditions. Thank you. Do you have one speaker? Oh no it's just the applicant. No objectives. The applicant are all there Sam. If you can turn the microphone on there's a face image. Can you see the face? That's it. That's one. Introduce yourself and you have three minutes to speak and you'll be given a warning when you have one minute left. Hi my name is Arun Nesan. I'm the owner and director of Bus Periperi Limited. This application was originally filed back in December then it was requested for withdrawal due to the application wouldn't be successful but then we reapplied with all the recommendation from the council being modified and in terms of the extraction ducting the ductings will only have outer layer the there will be no noise there as the silencer will be installed and there will be no any pollutions or any sort because there will be filters and everything which will be installed inside the shop and so there will be no mess no noise any any disturbance to neighbors in any way as well as in terms of the food the business is proposed for a healthy periperi grilled food not there's not any oil involved in terms of the side of it just a healthy alternative food for the high street and this business approval will provide at least 15 to 20 jobs for the locals and yep and the approval means it's good for the community and then the area there's no harm in any way for any any reason and thank you for the opportunity and i'm happy to answer any questions thank you any questions no it was it was very useful having the site that yesterday and seeing what's being done there so i think we we saw a lot of what we need to see thank you very much thank you um can i can i just confirm with you when you say no takeaway i mean it's mostly a restaurant to sit down and eat restaurant but they will be doing takeaway as well that's that's allowed so when we consider restaurant normally they will do take away but we've got seating so uh the premises would be majority providing uh seats for customers that's why we were not considered as a hot food takeaway and also the the um condition seven about it should have no seating arrangement we were told verbally that meant seating outside on the pavement rather than inside right correct that'll be clarified it's not it's not clear um correct i think the conditions could be amended uh as external out um seatings that could be amended yeah thank you i think that needs to be clear thank you any further questions or comments no then we'll go to the vote on that one the offices recommend approval all those in favor that's all that application is approved and we now go to the last item 138 high road hi um so i'm here to present the application at 138 high road for the conversion of existing building into three self-contained units flats including first and second floor extension so previous application were refused at the committee for the conversion of existing building into three units already but this scheme is currently cut at the the previous refusal scheme is currently contested at appeal and this resubmission has reduced in size and number of total occupants which would be discussed at later section so this application site is on the eastern side of the high road near a junction of the lestus road and is within east finchley world the property is comprised of a commercial use for a Thai restaurant formerly and now it's vacant so this is the existing and proposed block plan and some aerial photos and site photos internally and externally so this is the site product taken on the first floor on the neighbors to the right which is number one three six eight and um offices were not able to gain access to what our number one three six b on the second floor but this photo was extracted from the previous application and looked at that number one three six a and b were not considered a fully functioned self-contained unit as they shared a communal bathroom so there are two reasons that was refused at the committee previously is due to the character and impacted neighbors and also failed to enter a legal agreement to mitigate the highways and car parking impacts of the proposed development so i'm here to um try to compare the two schemes so previously um there is two number of two-bedroom three-person units eight person in total and now the current scheme would be uh providing for three one-bat two-person units which leave about six person so this is the comparison between on the ground floor and the existing one the previous refusal one and the current scheme so that's not much of the changes on the ground floor level but on the first floor you can tell there's a set in by two meter on the side and the rebuilding line is project up to the one aligned to number one four zero and this rooftop roof level is the same set in from by two meter on the side and aligned to the boundary of 140 and no changes to the front compared to the previous refusal scheme but you can tell from the rear the size and um it's significantly reduced and this is the section plan comparison so um officers are considered that the proposal has reduced in size and depth and numbers of occupants and that um there are dual expect nature of the kitchen in the first floor flat and on balance that that would be fine as acceptable level of outlook and light to the neighbors and in terms of the previous concern on poor amenity for the occupants it's noted that that's um the first floor and second floor internal space are measured 55 square meter which is five square meter more than the required internal space so plus there's no existing um accommodation which has benefited from outdoor amenities space therefore uh on balance we find that um this application is recommended for approval subject to conditions thank you thank you we have no speaker on here on this one but there's just the agent mr hill thank you again if you can turn the microphone on there's a place and then introduce yourself you have three minutes to speak and be given a warning when you have one minute left um my name is chris i'm a senior architectural designer working at dpa architects the agent for the plan application i'd like to thank the chair for giving me the opportunity to address you this evening as explained by the plan officer this application seeks to extend and partially convert this building and thereby create three self-contained one bedroom flats under these proposals part of the existing ground floor restaurant would be retained but only as class e to use as a sort of suitable small retail union while preparing the second application we listen carefully to the concerns and specific requests raised by your officers alongside those arising out of public consultation we then went on to amend design to suit these concerns and requests the goal of these amendments was to address these concerns to provide additional information as appropriate the outcome of the process of collaboration with the council is a scheme which addresses all the local national plan policies and which will deliver new homes in the borough whilst at the same time safeguarding the amenities of the occupiers of the neighboring flats in terms of design as noted within the plan officer's report the extension would be in keeping with the previously approved extensions to the other properties adjacent in response to the concerns raised by neighboring residents the planning officer an assessment of daylight and sunlight was undertaken which confirmed there would be no loss of light to the residents within 140 high road the main amendment to the previous scheme was to reduce the width of the gap between our proposed rear extension and 136 and 136b as the plan officer's report notes the separation between the proposed flats and the commercial yoga studio to the rear is such that there'll be no material harm to the amenity plan officers given responses to public consultation comments in addition to those responses i would like to point out that should planning permission be granted development will proceed in accordance with other relevant areas of legislation including the party wall act building regulations this will provide additional safeguards relevant to concerns raised including matters such as sewage means of access erection scaffolding and dust control confirmed the applicant is content to accept the terms of proposed recommendation to grant plan commission he's happy to comply with the proposed section 106 agreement which will fund measures necessary to prevent future occupiers of the scheme from using parking bays within the controlled residence parking zone he's also happy to comply with all the other drafted planning conditions the applicants asked me to use this opportunity to explain the history of the site and the reasons for this development the building was purchased by the applicant's father in the late in the 1960s it's always been difficult shop to lease due to its size as well as the inclusion of the upper floors many businesses have struggled to survive in this location the last two businesses failed due to the fact the upper floors included within the lease can only be accessed through the shop and they're therefore unable to be utilized the applicants aim is not to maximize the value of the cyber cramming in as many flats as possible but many to make this site work a smaller number of flats a smaller more easily less will shop will allow this building to remain in the family into the future will bring back to life what is at the moment essentially a dilapidated shell of a building whilst at the same time supplying high quality accommodation that's time thank you thank you if you can wait see if there's any questions no no questions thank you uh any questions the officers or comments i'd like to comment i'm i'm the ward councillor for this one and i was also on the committee that refused the last application so looking at this application there's certainly an improvement to taking it away from 136 although there is still some effect i think on the windows especially the top window but i am still concerned about the ground floor the extension on the ground floor which means that there's very little space at the back and i think that's that's just uh congested and overdeveloped at the back so i'm inclined to say that this is still an overdevelopment of this site that's my opinion anybody else wants to say anything could you clarify the space between the end of the building and the boundary wall the distance right thank you for your question so and you could tell um the the the rear building line is actually having two to three point seven meter away from the oh sorry yeah sorry i was using my own mouth but yet this bit is about 3.7 meter deep and this um rear building line they have a two meter gap so in total the real um amenity space is 15 square meter which comfort comfortably exceed the london plan requirement thank you thank you there's no more comments or questions we'll go to the vote on that one the officer's recommendation is for approval all those in favor of approval there's four and against one the application is approved and that's it at ten past ten not too bad that's all the agenda for tonight thank you very much
Transcript
Good evening everybody. It's gone seven o'clock so we're going to start the meeting now. I'm
Councillor Claire Farrier and I'm Chair of this planning committee. Thank you all for
attending this evening and I will ask all members of the committee to introduce themselves,
followed by the planning officers and the legal officer and governance. As I say, I'm
Councillor Claire Farrier, I'm a Councillor for East Finchley Ward and I chair the committee.
So if you can, Councillor Barnes, you can start. Good evening, I'm Councillor Richard
Barnes. Good evening, I'm Councillor Tim Robertson, Underhill Ward. Good evening, I'm
Councillor Moin Colin, Collindale South Ward. Good evening, Councillor Joshua Conway, Hendon
Ward. And there is one more member who has not arrived yet, Councillor Simberg, hopefully
will be here shortly, but he's missing the meeting. We've gone to the officers. Good
evening, John Sperling, Senior Planner. Good evening, I'm Heidi Oskar, Planning Manager.
Edie Flohr, Senior Planner. Good evening, I'm Leslie Feldman, Planning Manager. Good
evening, I'm Andrew Turner, Senior Planner. Good evening, everybody, I'm Jimmy Walsh,
the legal advisor to the committee. Good evening, we ask that you remain seated throughout the
meeting unless you are called to the table to speak on any particular item. Please note
that this meeting is being recorded and it's being broadcast and this is allowed for in
normal by the Council. So by attending, either in person or those who are attending online,
you may be picked up on recordings. Council recordings are covered by our privacy notice
and that can be found on the website at bonnet.gov.uk. The way this works is that I will ask the
Planning Officer to present each item, following which each speaker will have three minutes
to put their case to the committee and the Governance Officer will inform you when you
have one minute left and then we ask you to stay because we may have questions to ask
you, following which we'll have a discussion in the committee and then determine whether
we approve or not of the application and this will be announced to you. We'll explain when
you come to the table. If you haven't been here before, if you come to the table, there's
a button to turn the mic on, it's like a face with speech signs coming out of it. If there's
more than one microphone at a time, we sometimes get feedback, so let me ask you to turn the
microphone off when you finish speaking. Right, so a slight change on the agenda. The first
item will be, as is on the agenda, the land of 49 and 51 Burystd Avenue and then we're
going to hear item 12 on the agenda, 61 Finchley Lane and then 49 St. James's Avenue and then
Antion House. I hope that makes sense to everybody here to speak on those. Now, with regard to
item 8, St. James's Avenue, this is an application really by Barnet Council for a children's
for a new children's home. So, of course, we are members of the council, all people
on the committee members of the council. As members of the council, we are all in the
position of corporate parents to children who are in care with Barnet. And we have a
duty to support our looked after children. Two of us are also on the corporate parent
advisory in groups. We were aware that this premises had been purchased, but we had no
say in the decision about that. We were just informed about it. So just to assure you that
we are all approaching this with an open mind, we will hear the presentations. We've read
the relevant information and we'll make our decision based on that. So is that all right
with everybody in the committee? Did you want to say anything else, Councillor Conway? That
one? OK. Right. So we go on to absence of members. Council Greenspan is being substituted
by Councillor Stenberg, who, as I say, has not quite come yet. Any other declaration
of interests? No. No dispensations granted by the monitoring officer. An addendum to
the agenda was published this afternoon. I think everybody has had a chance to see that.
The minutes of the last meeting, the first item on the agenda. Have we all read and agreed
the minutes? Yep. I'll just sign the minutes. And then we go straight on to the first item,
which is the land at 49 and 51 Beresford Avenue. The officers could present that item. Good
evening, councillors. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. First of all, can I just confirm
that everyone's able to hear me? Yeah. Excellent. So good evening. I'll be presenting land at
49 and 51 Beresford Avenue. The application is for the reserve matters application in
respect of details relating to landscaping pursuant to condition three attached to planning
permission for the demolition of part of number 51 Beresford Avenue and the erection of six
semi-detached dwellings on land at 49 and 51 Beresford Avenue. This is the location
and an aerial image showing the site. Just some relevant case history. The application
was applied for concerning outline planning permission for landscaping reserved for the
demolition of part of number 51 Beresford Avenue and the erection of six semi-detached
dwellings. The application was initially refused at planning committee B, but then later the
decision was overturned at appeal in January 2024. Members should note that all other matters,
including design, access, appearance and parking were agreed and approved at the outline stage.
So condition three of the appeal decision, which was written by the planning inspectorate,
set out in a relatively good level of detail what needed to be provided to discharge condition
three relating to the reserve matters. I can come back to this slide later, but I'll just
leave it here for a second. The description of the development for the current application
is the reserve matters in respect of details relating to landscaping pursuant to condition
three attached to the planning permission for the demolition of 51 Beresford Avenue.
Following amendments and additional information, the council's highway officer and arbor culture
officer were satisfied with the scheme. This is the approved site layout as part of the
appeal decision. This is the proposed landscape plan at its fifth revision. To conclude the
key considerations and recommendations, for the proposed hard and soft landscaping, for
the discharge of condition three of appeal decision at appeal, it fully complies with
the explicit requirements of the condition and if fully implemented, will represent a
very high quality hard and soft landscaping scheme, which were effectively the words of
the arbor culture officer for the London Borough of Barnet. Following amendments and additional
information, the arbor culture officer and the highways officer for the council were
satisfied and network rail also confirmed that they have no objections to make. All
other matters have been approved and subject to certain conditions and to be applied for
and discharged prior to the commencement of development on site. This application is recommended
for approval and open handed back. Thank you. Thank you. I have two speakers for this. Jim
Fraser and Kirsty Fraser. Mr and Mrs Fraser here. If you'd like to come forward. As I
said, take a seat and turn your microphone on. You can see a button with a picture of
a face on it. That's it. You have three minutes to speak and we'll give you notice when you
have one minute left. And after that, we may have some questions to ask you. OK, that's
over to you. OK. We challenge the recommendations made by the planning officer. Also, we have
consistently criticised the planners for inflating the number of people they claim to have consulted.
Now, without evidence, we are accused of the same. The report falsely alleges that the
residents of 37 and 47 have inflated the objection numbers. We refute this baseless attempt to
discredit us. We notice that the author of the report is here and I was invited now to
apologise. Mr Turner, will you apologise? You made allegations against me and the colleague.
A couple of minutes to speak. It's up for the members of the committee to ask questions
of the officers. OK. At the end, we'll accept the apology. Previously, we provided proof
of developers breaching planning law, yet the planners sided with the developers abandoned
due diligence and acted as their mouthpiece. In defence of the developers' villains, the
planners' reply was that there was no reason not to believe the developers. The planners
have also misinterpreted the inspectors ruling on the tunnel wear charts, suggesting the
reserve matters can proceed before addressing the safety investigation. They claim they
are content that before the development means the reserve matters can be implemented first
and then they will monitor the tunnel air shaft safety investigation. They also added
that the outcome not be preempted and they are satisfied that there is no railway related
network of real reasons to review this current application.
Are you sure you wouldn't like me to repeat? I think we're OK. This statement is preemptive
and they have no proof. The planners' blind faith has resulted in years of wasted resources.
Then we have to consider network. You have one minute remaining. Clearly stating that
there are issues. Less than two years ago in the rail tunnel just outside Bath, a train
burst into flames and smoke and it was the air shafts that saved the passengers and staff.
Network Rail have made it clear that they have little knowledge about the air tunnel
shafts under these properties and that is why they need a safety inspection before they
can recommend the current reserve matters. We understand that planning might feel under
pressure to draw a conclusion to this after years of pursuing, but given the overall conduct
of the developer and their misrepresentation on planning law, asset protection, Arabs consultation
restricted covenants and the failures in planning due process, they are only themselves to blame.
There should be no compromises over safety. That's time. Thank you. Sorry, I didn't hear
that. That's time. Thank you.
Got any questions? Or does anybody want to hear any more?
Councillor Roberts. I just wanted to ask you, have the concerns
of British Rail been widely publicised, made available to local residents and others?
The British Rail and the chief of the operations, Mark Leighton, has written to the council
and the planners, setting out that it's too premature to allow reserve matters before
the investigation of the air shafts and the ground is carried out. It would be too premature
to do that. They are withholding any judgement on that
at this stage? That is correct. It depends on what you mean
by withholding, the stated fact that they do not know whether it's safe or not.
Thank you. I think you'll find, and the officers may
explain afterwards, that Network Rail have not made any comments at this stage, but there
is a condition that this should be agreed with them before any work starts.
Legally, we can't ask for that condition to happen before the decision is made, but
before any work starts, it needs to be made. Thank you for reminding me of that. That was
the Inspector's ruling, yes. Any more questions?
Councillor Conway. Putting aside any safety issues, is there
any other issues that you have with this? Yes, and Kirsty will be bringing these up,
but if you like I can briefly run over them. Would you like that?
Just the issues which aren't in regards to safety, but in regards to planning.
Most of the design of the plans for this development are called into question because of Millon's
own safety audit. They referred to collisions with cars and collisions with people, and
if you look at the whole design, which is part of the landscape, you'll notice that
particularly number 51, they will actually step out right onto the road.
There are other issues with the road, of course. The field of vision is restricted, despite
what the report says, and we are also concerned with the width of the road. There is no leeway
for emergency vehicles or anything of that nature.
Any other questions? Mr Toner, would you like to apologise?
Just hearing from you and taking questions now, the officers will have a chance to speak
afterwards. So thank you very much, if you can take your seats now.
We have Kirsty Fraser who would like to speak. Hi. Hi, everyone.
Just to remind you again, you will have three minutes to speak if you choose yourself, and
then you'll have three minutes to speak, until the warning when you have one minute left.
All right, thank you. All right, evening, everyone. I'm Kirsty from Beresford Avenue.
This reserve matter's application should be denied, and the statement of support in the
planning officer's assessment is inaccurate, misleading, unsafe and illogical.
Firstly, stepping out of 51 Beresford Avenue, there's basically going to be a gate, and
the family home will just have no pavement in front of it, and it will walk straight
into the highway. This is obviously incredibly dangerous, and the developer safety audit
comes up with no realistic option of avoiding colliding cars or collisions with pedestrians.
We did actually have a meeting with Steve and Volley, and we were discussing the problems
with that particular exit for that house, the gateway opening onto a road, and obviously
as they approach the access road, that if they saw an oncoming vehicle, the car may
have to reverse, and obviously... Sorry, can I just interrupt you there? As
you're aware, we're hearing tonight just the conditions about landscaping, I think the
access and the side roads and so on... Okay, so just to finish my point...
Which was agreed in the outline... Okay, so just to finish my point quickly then...
It's just what we're looking at... Sorry, no problem, I'll go back to that,
but Stephen did say that those cars would not be reversing there, which obviously is
not enforceable. So anyway, Network Rail Engineers assert it's premature to deal with this application
now, which seems to be acknowledged, I think, because we don't have the safety report, and
the airshafts need investigations to ensure safety. After a decade of applications, this
is nearly 10 years in the making, millings face two restrictive covenants for bidding
house building over the rail tunnel. We don't know if the tunnel can withstand ground excavations
until the airshafts are properly assessed, as per the Health and Safety Act.
Beristed residents and the council cannot accept this application when it might change
after an airshaft investigation would be denied our right to critique and evaluate the outcome.
Our planners feel confident that they can monitor millings after this application is
approved, but you've had 10 years to monitor this development over their claims of securing
a Network Rail Assessment, sorry, Asset Protection Agreement. They don't have such an agreement.
The latest report claims planners could manage the airshaft investigation post-approval,
and back up their unsubstantiated claim that they have recycled their statement, thank
you, from earlier reports. There's no planning or evidence of monitoring any conditions of
the developer over the past 10 years. Millings has just been relentless, keeps set in submitting
applications one after the other, and at the last meeting, they did actually shout, the
last meeting that they attended, they did shout that they were going to keep going and
going and going. Now, we did ask for that statement to be minuted, but Stephen didn't
minute it, but we did raise that concern. On one hand, to choose to rely on the planners'
well-documented historic unreliability to monitor millings, on the other hand, to choose
Networks Rail's valid health and safety concerns about this application, we believe it should
be investigated first and then followed up with an amended matters application. We recommend
the committee deny this application, and there's just too many ifs and buts about this application,
and we just want you to refuse it like every other, all the councillors that have before
you over the last decade. Thank you. Any questions? Yes, Councillor Conway. What's the issues
with the landscaping? With the landscaping? Are we talking about the actual layout of
the…? Yeah, can you explain what you mean by landscaping and I'll answer the question,
if that's all right? I didn't mean that. I'll ask the officers afterwards, but just
in regards to this reserve matters application with respect to details relating to landscaping,
what are your issues with the landscaping? I'm not sure how to answer that question.
Can I ask the Beresford group that are behind me? I'm afraid you're here to answer the
questions, not other people. Okay, but I have concentrated on the safety factors here tonight.
Sorry, I can't answer more. Though I would just say, as I said to Mr Fraser, there is
a condition resulting from the appeal that the safety report should be confirmed with
networked rail before any work starts. You can't ask for that before decision is made,
but if that condition is there, then it should be done before any work starts, and the officers
will explain that further afterwards, if that's okay. Any further questions? No, thank you
very much. Thank you. So, as I say, I'll ask you to explain that a little bit more,
and if there's any other comments or questions for members at this stage. Oh, I'm sorry,
I'm forgetting the applicants. Always doing that. Sorry, the applicant, the agent, we
have Mr Millen, Vincent Millen. I do apologise for missing you out, that's my area. There's
a button with a face on it, if you don't want your finger in, it's not very clear to see.
That's it, yes, again, if you could introduce yourself, then you have three minutes to speak,
and you'll be given a warning when you have one minute left. Hi, my name is Ben Lowry,
I'm one of the owners of Millen Homes. Thanks for hearing us tonight. I don't really have
too much to say in terms of the landscaping. Almost identical scheme was approved by this
committee two years ago, the only difference was the access came in off a slightly different
roof. In terms of this inspection shaft that keeps coming up tonight, I thought I'd just
cover this off, that was inspected by Network Rail last year, and they've now concreted
that over, it's sealed off, and it's been purposely located in a position where it's
easily accessible under a car parking space. Network Rail are happy with it, they've signed
off on it, we have a BAPA agreement drafted and in place, the only reason that isn't signed
is because we have to pay a substantial amount of money at that stage, and until such time
as detailed permission was granted, we wouldn't commit to those funds, because it's a very
large chunk of money. So, in terms of the landscaping, we've worked very hard to make
sure that the landscaping officers are happy, and the scheme is pretty much in terms of
planting, layout, maintenance, identical to the scheme that was approved two years ago
by this committee. Thank you for your time.
Thank you. Can you just confirm your name? Are you Benjamin?
I'm Benjamin Lowry.
Right, just take your name down properly. Any questions from members? No? Okay, thank
you very much. And, again, we go back to the officer. Talking about the condition from
Network Rail…
Certainly, yes. So, as was detailed in the officer report, the wording of the condition
for the Network Rail was quite specific, and conditions need to be clear. There's a criteria
for a condition to make sure that it's clear, understandable, and the clear wording of the
condition is, No development shall take place until details of the location, extent,
and depth of all excavations of the services have been looked into.
I'm sort of paraphrasing
it slightly, but the wording at the beginning of the condition is very specific, in that
it says, No development shall take place until details,
etc. And having worked on
major schemes before, if there was the expectation for those details to be provided before the
reserve matters, it would have said something along the lines of, Prior to reserve matters
being submitted.
Is that condition… That condition is not on these papers? Is that just because it came
from the appeal? That's part of this?
No, no, the…
On these papers, it goes from Condition 3 to Condition 7. I don't know if that's
been messed up.
So, it's within the body of the report?
Right.
So, it's on page 16 of the report which has been published.
Appeal decision.
Okay.
It's got about an appeal decision there, I want to say. I can't say it specifically,
but it is… Although that's not in the report as a condition, it is…
It isn't a condition which we attached. It's a condition which the Inspector attached.
Thank you.
Okay. Councillor Canwick.
In your opinion, is there any aspect of either the softer the landscape will make it dangerous
for anyone entering or leaving the development?
So our highway officer has looked into this. Following residents' concerns, they were
consulted later on in the process, just to be absolutely crystal clear. And they said,
following an amendment to the fencing, which pulls the height of the fencing down and back,
they're entirely satisfied that there are no highway concerns.
Any further questions, Councillor Barnes?
We've heard mention the air shafts or shaft on a couple of occasions. Would you like to
comment on that as well?
So that's entirely unrelated to the landscaping condition. There's a separate condition
which we will deal with and which the applicant will need to deal with before the commencement
of works on site. But that's not something which we can and need to deal with at this
stage.
Thank you. Any further questions? Councillor Roberts.
Is the application dependent upon that decision that's yet to be made, whatever decision
we make this evening?
No, so the applicant will still need to come in with those details once the decision on
the landscaping has been made.
About the rail tunnel going underneath that is yet to be resolved as well.
The proposal is set out at the start of the report and there's a lot of discussion tonight
of background information for decisions that have already been made at the appeal. So really
what you're looking at, the only decision you're making tonight is in relation to that
landscaping condition. It's a reserved matter. So it's being reserved, without any permission,
being reserved and you're being asked that decision to make a decision on that. And I'm
happy to hear about the background, et cetera, but it's not related, unless the subject tells
me otherwise, to this condition. That will have its life of its own as it would do like
a normal planning application.
But the safety report about the railway shaft needs to be given to Network Rail and agreed
with Network Rail before any work can start. That's what the condition is.
Any further? We will go to a vote. The officers are recommending approval of this application.
All those in favour of approval? There's four against, one not voting. So that application
is approved. And we move on to –
I'm sorry, we've finished with that application now. As you heard, we were looking at reserve
matters. Thank you. We have finished with that application now. We're moving on to the next
one. We're moving on to 61. We have finished with that application. If you could quietly
leave the room now. Thank you. We'll move on to 61 Pinchley Lane.
Thank you. We have heard you, and you have heard that tonight we are dealing with just
the conditions. Yes, we've heard you. Thank you very much.
Thank you. And we'll move on to 61 Pinchley Lane.
Thank you. The next item on the agenda is 61 Pinchley Lane in Hendon. The proposal is
for a single-storey rear outbuilding, partly retrospective as it amends a building that's
already built on the site. So members of the committee at the site visit yesterday. This
is the property here, one half of a pair of semis here on Pinchley Lane. It's been converted
into a number of flats. These are some site photographs. This shows the front of the property
here and the access way down the side here, which leads through to communal gardens and
a series of historic outbuildings and a new outbuilding, which has been built along the
back of the site at the rear here, which has been built unlawfully and has been the subject
of a number of applications over the last couple of years, as you'll see from the report.
So that was obviously the original plan of the garden. The flats, three flats at ground
floor level in the main building have got their own private garden. The rest of the
area here was communal garden for all the flats. These two buildings here and these
two garage-type buildings there are lawful. They've been there for some time. Previously,
the building that was built incorporated the buildings on this side and extended across
the width of the site and extended down here. So this building has not got planning permission.
It's been refused, as have a number of variations to it. An enforcement notice has been served,
which is now subject of an appeal. We're awaiting the decision. You'll see from the report and
the addendum that the most recent application was to amend that building and retain it.
In this form here, extending right up to the boundary of the property on this side here,
it was reported to Planning Committee last year and members refused it. Again, that application
is at appeal at the moment, but as of today we don't have a decision on that application.
So the current proposal is to amend the outbuilding further and it would set it away from the
side on this side as well as on this side, so there will be a two metre gap between the
building and each side boundary. The depth of the extension would remain as it is. Its
overall height, as we'll see in a moment, is 2.5 metres here and as members will have
seen on site yesterday, the actual height of the building is the same height as the
fence, which runs along this boundary on this side with number 59. Yes, that's the fence
line here and that's the building, and this is the height of the fence to the other side.
So this is the unlawful building that's currently situated on that boundary here, so it will
be set back, this part will be removed, retaining this rearmost portion only. The enforcement
case relates to the whole of the unlawful outbuilding here, which is required to demolish
all these buildings and the garages on site here. This was the scheme that was refused
last year so members can see there was a distance to the boundary on this side, but it projected
up to the boundary on this side, so the main difference now is making the building even
smaller to remove this area here to ensure a separation to the boundary of two metres.
So in terms of the key considerations, officers consider the scale of the outbuilding has
been reduced, it's been set back two metres from both side boundaries compared to the
previous scheme refused, and the communal garden will be closer in size to the original
because of the removal of existing sheds and reduction in the size of the outbuilding,
so the application is recommended for approval subject to conditions. Thank you.
Thank you. And we have Jodie Benign to speak, I think Benign is the one you were going to
speak for. We usually ask the Councillor to speak after the other speakers, Mark, I don't
know if you'd like to speak. Yes, if you can hear me, I'll pass them around.
I will say first thank you for coming this evening, it's my dire job easily not to have
to defer the item because you couldn't come, thank you. If you can turn the microphone
on, that's it, and then introduce yourself and you'll have three minutes to speak and
you'll be given a warning when you have one minute left, thank you.
Hi, my name is Jodie Benign and I live at 59 Finchley Lane, immediately next door to
the property with my husband Michael, five children and our puppy. It's been our family
home for the last 15 years. I object to this proposal. We are not property people. We feel
overwhelmed, frustrated and exhausted having to fight against developers who have more
financial power and expertise than we do. We've had to contend with six planning applications
just in the last 20 months, four of which were refused and one withdrawn. This started
when these developers built a series of outbuildings of this location unlawfully without permission.
There's a planning enforcement notice requiring the demolition of all these outbuildings which
the developers are currently appealing. They believe that asking for forgiveness rather
than for permission is an acceptable tactic. With respect, the committee should not reward
the applicant's bad behavior. I spoke before the planning committee last September when
the planning officer was recommending approval for a single story rear outbuilding. All six
members of the committee unanimously agreed with the planning officer and a refusal was
issued on the grounds which are summarized in Exhibit 1 disagreed with the planning officer.
Almost a year later, I am baffled to be back here with the planning officer again recommending
approval for an almost identical proposal. What has changed? Essentially nothing. In
Exhibit 1, you see clearly that the proposed outbuilding has not changed in size. It has
merely been moved away slightly from the northern boundary. The committee's recent refusal reasons
of excessive footprint, size, scale, depth and height all remain. In a similar vein,
if it was determined mid last year that a gym is uncharacteristically intensive use
for a residential garden, how can it be acceptable now? Please see Exhibit 2. Furthermore, an
outbuilding like this is inconsistent with DM01 and would therefore meaningfully impact
the character of our neighborhood. Please see Exhibit 3. On Google Maps, the only other
outbuilding I can identify with an address on our side of the road is the developer's
other property at number 53. There they first applied for an ancillary use as a gym. It's
never been used as a gym, and then have applied numerous times to convert that building into
residential use, having been refused three times since June 2023 with an application
pending. You have one minute remaining. Exhibit 4 illustrates this pattern of incremental
building. It's a war of attrition on us and on your resources. We believe they'll do exactly
the same at 61. They've had discrepancies in their application, saying there's no water
when there is, saying buildings were pre-existing when they were not. You can see that in Exhibits
5 and 6. They've also had a complete disregard for us and for the law. They've rented out
two of their flats as Airbnbs since day one. They don't care about the 90-day rule. We
can't go in our garden because there's constant smells of marijuana. We're kept up at night
by loud noise. The developers have no regard for us. To conclude, we believe that this
application should be denied for the reasons we've stated. You can see them in Exhibit
- It's the same size. It's the same use. It's inconsistent with DM01. The developer has a track record of unlawful development. They've not told the truth. They've been unreliable. They've used their properties as Airbnb, showing unprincipled behaviour and approving them now, which is reward bad behaviour. Thank you very much. It was well timed. Any questions? Thank you very much for this, which is very clear. You worked hard on it. It looks like we have no questions at the moment. No questions. I'll have Councillor Mark Shooter. Thank you very much, Chair. It's good to be back. You've only got three minutes to speak. Yes, three minutes. I'm not going to time myself. I haven't got a lot to add on an excellent presentation. This obviously was here last year a few times, I think four times. I penciled in my diary for next year another three times, just the optimism that it gets refused again. Last time, we went through it in detail and the committee voted 6-0 against the application. From what I can see, nothing's really changed very much from the previous application. It's still the same size, as far as I can see. The height is definitely the same, 2.45 metres. It was refused on height as well as bulking and various other issues, DM01, et cetera. What they're going to do, they can keep coming back and take an inch off, here, there, everywhere. It doesn't really change the fact that this is really trying to put lipstick on an elephant, on a pig, actually. Lipstick on a pig is just trying to dress up fat. It's an eyesore. You go on Google Earth, you can see there's nothing in the near vicinity anything like this. They're claiming that it's going to be a gym and they put the fowl, the drainage in for the toilets, et cetera. If it was a gym for the residents, they'd have their own apartments anyway to go to the bathroom. Is this going to be some kind of luxury spa with a bedroom? I mean, yoga room, anyway. It doesn't really make sense to me. We do have policies in place. I just think they're just trying to keep coming back in order to try and take advantage of get something through and then do some planning creep on the next one. Can't really add anything to the exhibits. They will speak for themselves. For me, just as a disclosure, I know the neighbours. I know many of the neighbours who are objecting here, so that's why I felt compelled to speak. Obviously, being a ward councillor, I don't really want to see this type of thing happening. I don't really want to see this type of increase in demise going in Hendon and spreading, especially on that road. It's very important to have other amenity space and gardens. We don't want people being overlooked. I think Jody alluded to Airbnb. I mean, if you do Google 61 Finchley Lane Airbnb, it does come up with a rather nice accommodation. I think we got five stars only two weeks ago. I think four stars the week before that. We do have a housing shortage, but not building ice halls and gardens. I think for all the stress it's caused in the area, I think it would be much better if the committee stuck to being consistent on the last application, which they turned down convincingly. This is pretty much the same application. It's just that the building has done a little walk to the centre, so it's shifted over. That's time, thank you. OK, thank you. Thank you. Any questions? Councillor Roberts. I just wanted to ask Councillor Shitter, in principle, are you against there being a gymnasium at the rear of this building? In principle, are you against the idea that a gymnasium should be at the end of this property? Not really. There's no problem having a gymnasium, if it is going to be a gymnasium. There's a grey area. I'm not against having gyms at the back of people's cars. What I'm against is huge out-of-character outbuildings that are actually ruining the lives of the people next door. As long as things are built within scale, and this is clearly not. You can see it from your garden. It is slightly over the fence, and these are high fences that have been put in, so it's quite a large outbuilding. It is, but those facilities, if it was a gym, for instance, then could be utilised by the residents of number 61. Yes, but what's to stop a bed going in as well? That could be part of it. Well, that's the issue. If they are running Airbnbs, then they're going to run Airbnbs from there. If it's open for residents, fine, but it just seems to be a very large building, way too large for the area, so it's really about the size issue more than anything else. Gymnasiums do need to be of a certain size by the very nature of what they're there for. Well, they can be adaptable. They can get smaller if they want to. They just have one less running machine. I don't know whether they're planning to service the whole of Hendon in that size gym. Thank you. As you know, I was on the committee last time that turned it down. I think I was chairing that committee as well. But there is a big change now, so it has been made a lot smaller, so you're saying it's still rather large. As far as I can see, it's easy. It's looking at does this meet the reasons that the last one was turned down, so it's just an excessive size, design, siting, scale, depth, height and so on. The height hasn't changed. Even if the size has changed, I don't think it has. It might have changed from the original first application, but from the last one that was turned down, I don't believe it's changed. You have the exhibits, but regardless of that, it was turned down also on height, and the height is certainly the same height as it was previously that was turned down, and that was one of the specific reasons that was listed. We'll ask for confirmation on that. We were told that the height is the same, and we saw on the fact that the height is the same as it was in the previous application, so therefore it can't be seen. It's a matter of looking at it, and in terms of Airbnb, that's not something we can look at now. I appreciate how neighbours may feel about that. I haven't got anything against Airbnbs either, by the way, I use them sometimes when I go on holiday. We'll hear from the applicant's agent now, and then they'll get in the station. Thank you very much. One more question, sorry, Councillor Conway. Just following on from Councillor Roberts' question in regards to gyms, do you think there's any difference when a gym is in a private resident's home rather than if it's in a large block of flats? Well, I guess it would make a lot more sense building a gym if you had a resident block of 200 people. It would be far more cost-effective than building a gym for five flats, so I don't know what the landlord is looking to achieve here. I don't think he's going to achieve a significant uplift in rent that will help pay for the capital outlay of this supposed gym. So I don't see, personally, I think it was something that was probably thought of afterwards when there was obviously some scrutiny from complaints from the neighbourhood what's going on. There's a huge outbuilding that's gone up illegally, and perhaps it was retrofitted. I don't know the history of what happened, but it doesn't make sense for me that there should be – how much gym equipment do you need for five units, five residential units? And there are many, many gyms all around Hendon as well that are very, very good. I think there's the Middlesex University gym, you've got the gym at Hendon Central as well, and if someone wanted a running machine they can go and buy their own running machine. The flats are quite nice sized flats and big enough to host their own workout equipment should they so wish. Okay, thank you. And then we have the agent, George Ray. Thank you, I think you also know the procedure, if you turn your microphone on. Now we have three minutes to speak, you can be given number one when you have one minute left. Thank you Chair and members of the Planning Committee for the opportunity to speak today. Upon reviewing the objections raised against the proposal, it is evident that they either follow a repetitive pattern or consist of copied content. All 17 points in each objection focus on either alleged past accusations or speculative future accusations by my client. Rather than addressing the actual details of the current proposal, if we concentrate solely on the facts of the application, devoid of the unsubstantiated claims presented by a neighbouring party, it becomes clear that the only reasonable conclusion is for this application to be approved. The proposed development is significantly reduced in scale from the original application and is smaller than the previous refuse scheme. Frankly, I'm surprised by the attention this mine application has attracted. The prior refusal considered concerns about the security of number 59, specifically the fear that people could jump from the outbuilding into their garden, as well as the outbuilding size and its impact of number 59's immunity case. My client addressed these concerns by repositioning the outbuilding more than two metres away from both neighbouring properties and ensuring its roof is below the fence line, effectively eliminating any potential impact to neighbouring properties. Furthermore, the proposed outbuilding is smaller than similar developments built at numbers 51, 53, 76, 82, 88, 95, demonstrating that it's not out of character for the street. For these reasons, the planning department has recommended approval. My client has consistently approached this process with diligence and responsiveness. After the previous application was refused, he consulted with the planning department, considered the committee's and neighbours' concerns and returned with a substantially revised proposal. The planning department confirmed that the revised proposal adequately addressed all the concerns and again issued an approval. My client has transformed the previously dilapidated site into a well-developed property with high quality residential flats, all constructed in strict compliance with planning approval permissions. When it came to the rear garden, he was misinformed about the permitted development. You heard one minute remaining. Whilst it was clarified that Albert did not fall under such rights, he collaborated closely with the council to develop a scheme that meets planning policies while addressing neighbours' concerns, reducing the size scale repeatedly. It's important to note that current objections do not cite any planning policy issues, but rather make basis accusations against my client. His objective is to provide functional and minute space that enhances the residents' quality of life. Objections questioning the use of the outbuilding as a gym are particularly unfounded in today's context, where integrating gyms into residential sites is seen as beneficial for physical and mental wellbeing. In summary, the proposal in front of you today has been meticulously adapted, scaled down and thoughtfully designed to align with the planning policies and address all previously raised concerns. I urge the committee to focus on the actual merits of the application and approve accordingly. Thank you. Any questions? Councillor Roberts. Can you clarify? The use of the gym is for the residents of the property. Yes. So, I know the planning officer... Not the commercial entity. No, no, no. And in addition to that, I noted that the planning officer said that the three ground floor flats have their own private amenity space, but that they also have use of the communal amenity space at the rear. So they will also be able to use and benefit from this area. Any further questions? Councillor Conway. Thank you. What was the size of the gym in the previous application? I don't know if I've got the notes. I've got the plans, but I don't know if they're on board. Just because you mentioned that it's been majorly scaled down, so I'm just trying to work out what... I said scaled down, and I said majorly scaled down from the original application. So on the first application, as you can see, that was refused, and each time we have scaled it down. Apart from, obviously, the very large one, or the other ones that we have significantly scaled down, have been approved by planning officers and taken to committee by the objections of the neighbours. But each time we have reduced the scale. So obviously, from the previous one to this one, it has been reduced. No percentage, I don't know off the top of my head. Just looking at the plans both here and previously leading up to this meeting, it doesn't look to me. So I'm just trying to find out what the actual size is, because it still looks the same. And previously the committee said grants for refusal are due to excessive footprint, excessive size, excessive design, excessive scale, excessive height and excessive depth. And I can't see how that has been reduced. Besides that, it's been moved slightly away from the fence, yet at the same time making it closer to the other fence. So whilst making it potentially slightly better for one neighbour, you've made it worse for the other neighbour. Well, if you look at the other neighbour, if you look at the photos of the other side, you'll see that there's a massive brick wall on the other side. So in fact, if it is still two metres away, 2.5 metres in height, which is below the fence line, so it simply cannot affect any amenity space of neighbours. I don't think that is a necessary concern in terms of impacting the amenity, because you visually can't see it. On that side anyway, you say, so move closer, there's a four metre brick wall on the other side of that fence. But on that side, yes, we did move it away from the neighbours of number 59, of course, because they were concerned. I remember at the committee, I don't know, I can't remember which committee members were here, but they did raise the point of they were nervous someone was going to climb on the roof and jump into their garden. So we paid attention to that. We thought it wasn't going to happen, but okay, it was a concern of them, so we moved it away. We did reduce it off the top of my head, maybe 5 to 10% reduction. But you've got to remember, each time, from the original one, it's probably about, I would say, half, just over half of the time. So we don't need to go to the original one, because we're talking about the previous one was rejected. Well, to be honest with you, I'm actually talking about this one. This one and the relevance of this application. To be honest with you, as I said to you, there were 17 objections raised. If we go through them, one by one, they're all not really relevant to this application. They all go on previous application. That's why I'm trying to stop now. I'm just asking about this one. This one is reduced from the previous application. Again, when we got objection one, again, it talks about, I've said, these are just notes I've written down. Objection one, not relevant to this application. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, as I said, concentrating on this application and the merits of this application, it has been reduced in size. It can't be seen by the neighbouring properties. The fact the use of the gym will benefit all residentials. I mean, I know Councillor Shooter mentioned, oh, it's OK, they can just shove a treadmill in their living room. I mean, it's quite easy, you know, thankfully I live in a house where I can. Other people may, people living in flats can't automatically do that. I think you've answered the question. Thank you. Any further questions, Councillor Collegg? Thank you. Having been on a site visit yesterday and seen the sort of existing building, unlawful building, I've got concerns on two fronts. It doesn't fall for the size and depth of the building, the actual physical construction there. It's going to be awfully uncomfortable for anyone exercising in there due to lack of ventilation. And then again, in the winter when it's cold, it's going to be really difficult for anyone to exercise in there due to the temperatures involved. So I do have concerns over the actual usage of the building. Sorry, I apologise. I missed, didn't hear your first, I heard about the winter. I didn't hear the forgot. The existing construction that you have there, minus the end bits and the bits around the side, so the bit that you intend to keep, doesn't appear to have sufficient ventilation for anyone who's doing some heavy exercise within the building. And that is a concern because I have a feeling that it's, if not unsafe, it's going to be uncomfortable. Sorry, are we able to bring up the proposed plans, the proposed floor plan, so everyone can see. I think you'll find you've got, there's three sides that have access to air ventilation. On each side, there are two windows proposed. Again, what you saw on site is not what the end product's going to be. Obviously, that is unlawful. They have to, unless something happens, they're going to have to knock it down and rebuild according to this plan. So based on this plan, you've got two windows on the side, you've got the front, which is obviously the longest stretch, which is proposed full of windows, double doors. I do believe that there is sufficient ventilation, according to the gym requirements. In addition to that, you talk about being cold winter days and that's back of garden. Yeah, my client would love to have it right closer to the house, but that again, would be against planning policy and wouldn't want to do that because that would be an eyesore. And well, I was up 6, 5.30 this morning, heading off to the gym. So, and it was dark and cold then. And you know, I would recommend people do do that. It's quite exhilarating. So I personally in the winter would recommend people venturing their beer of cold to enjoy benefits mentally and physically of going to the gym. And that is what this proposal is trying to represent. Just one point and two questions. You mentioned that your client was previously badly advised in regards to, but he hasn't given in to the thing yet, he's appealing it. Is he accepted that he was badly advised? But moving on to the two points, in this current application, on the application you've written, are you proposing to connect to existing drainage system? You clicked no. Sorry, sorry. In that application, it's been clicked, are you proposing to connect to the existing drainage system? And it's been ticked no. No. Yet we can see on site that there is drainage in a toilet into the gym. So where is that drainage? What is that drainage in that toilet for if it's not connected to the drainage system? Again, I'm trying to stick to this application. This application doesn't show any drainage. It was from previous applications that there is no drainage. Obviously it was done. There is still drainage there now. From previously, as you say, unlawful development. It simply won't be used. There simply won't be drainage. You can see there's no, I don't think there's a sink there or a toilet showing that there's a toilet. There is a toilet inside at the moment. Yes, but we're talking, again, trying to stick to the facts, trying to stick to the actual application. There is no proposed toilet there. And there is a proposed, as you say, in terms of he was badly advised. Yes, he was. He was told it was a permitted development. The truth is, if it was a single dwelling house, the proposed, what he built would be considered to be a permitted development. If he was informed incorrectly, it's everyone's right to appeal. Of course it's everyone's right to appeal. But in essence, this is what, again, I try again focusing on this application, the merits and the benefits this application will provide. Thank you. Thank you. In regards to this, once again, this application, this application now, it's written that according to the current application, outbuildings in yellow are labeled pre-existing. We've got an image from Google Maps that shows that's not true. Pre-existing to the building going down. Pre-existing that work started in February
- And in 29th of June 2019, you can see they are not there on Google Maps. If you go back to the previous plans, you'll see there's four separate plans. The first plan shows, you're right, original. And you're absolutely right, there are no outbuildings shown on that. But in the current application, it's written that the other outbuildings were pre-existing. So yeah, okay. So you're right. So there weren't any. Then, as the planning officer says, those ones, and these are the ones we were talking about, were then constructed prior to my client purchasing the property. Those were on site, and Dean Northwood, I think the planning officer stated. So there were four stages. So prior to the outbuildings being built, there were outbuildings there already. You're correct in saying, originally, there wasn't anything there, which the first plan does show. Is there an error in this current application? No, no, no. What I'm agreeing with you, I'm saying both statements are true. So there were previous, there were before the outbuildings was built, there were outbuildings there. But a few years before that, you're correct, there wasn't any buildings there at all. So I'm saying both statements are true. I'm not denying your statement. I don't really follow that, but just to move on to my last point, my last point. It's been said before, and it is connected to this application, the proposed use of an outbuild as a communal gym is also considered uncharacteristically intensive use for a residential garden. This is still a communal gym, and it's still in a residential garden. So putting aside any, we may disagree on whether you've made it any smaller or not, it still looks excessive, but it's still a communal gym and a residential garden, which your client has been told before, is uncharacteristic. Okay, I appreciate that comment. Not by me, but by the planning officers. And so my counter argument is, is that fundamentally, I believe that this gym will, and I hope Councillors agree with me, will be beneficial. Might be uncharacteristic, you're right, because not every house on the street has a gym there. But fundamentally, I really do believe that having a gym in a block of flats is very beneficial, especially at the moment. We've got to consider fitness, wellness of people, and it's very nice. In terms of moving on, I'll take further advice than this, but I think we're not able to consider what this may be used for. As far as I don't think using it as a gym, I'm not suggesting anything. They're saying it's being used a communal gym and the officers have said that communal gym is uncharacteristic in this area. We'll get confirmation of that from the opposition. Any further questions? No. Okay, so if we could have some comments from officers about whether this use of the gym may be allowed or not. In terms of the size of the building, I've just checked the officer report for the last application that came before committee, and that stated the building was 3.6 metres by 12.3 metres. The current plan shows 3.8 metres by 11.6. So it's 0.2 metres deeper and 0.7 metres narrower. Same height, but 4.5. Okay, thank you. I would like to say that, as I said, I was on the committee that turned this down last time, and it was very apparent then that the sort of wraparound was a huge overdevelopment of that area and for this site. Clearly this has been going on and we've heard from the speakers and we've read from the other objectors as well. It's been going on causing a lot of nuisance to them for a long time, and I do accept that, but I'm thinking if this was the first application that came, would we be looking at it differently, just as this application without knowing all the other things that were going on and were still coming under appeal. So I'm not decided on that, but we are just looking at what is before us tonight and coming to try and look at it as though it had no history, is what I'm saying. Any further comments or questions for anybody? Just from the size that we've just been given, it's just as excessive. Putting it aside, being built illegally, they haven't taken it down. Besides that, we've got a clear picture of there being drainage there. The building itself now in this application is 0.2 wider than it previously was. I just need to emphasise what the chair said. You're here tonight to consider the application which is single storey, rare outbuilding part retrospective. The history as regards, you do need to ignore to a certain extent, and also any future potential enforcement issues. That's up to the council to enforce those. If it goes into residential use, whatever is anticipated. At the moment, it's just for the building as proposed, not as you saw on the site visit. If you're going to vote to not approve it, which you're entitled to do, then you need to have in mind planning reasons to refuse this application. I would suggest future enforcement is not a reason and the drainage is not a reason. You need to consider this application. Thank you. If we can go to the vote then, the officers are recommending approval of this application. All those in favour of approval? That's two. Those against? Two. One not voting. I hate this council chair's decision then. I would have to go along with the officer's recommendation in that case for approval. This application has been approved. Good evening, everyone. I'm here to present a case at 49 St James Avenue. It's for a change of views from a C3 dwelling house to a C2 care home for three children. It's noted that the applicant is the director of the barner's family services and the children there is typically aged around 11 to 14 years old. As you can see from the site location plan, the application site is a two-storey semi-detached dwelling house located in the north-turn side of St James Avenue. The area is predominantly semi-detached houses with some detached houses. The site has a P-tail of two, which is considered accessibility is fairly poor, but it benefits from a driveway to the front and a private garden to the rear. So here are some of the aerial photos, and you can tell that that's a wraparound single-storey extension. And some site photos to the front and to the rear. So the existing house is a four-bed, seven-person home. There's no external changes proposed. And the main shared accommodation is at the ground floor level and consists of kitchen, dining room, living room, and a staff office. And the third floor, you can tell three children's home with sites about 13 to 19 square meters, which are quite spacious. Some concerns are raised of the proposed living room for the staff is 5.7 square meters large, which is slightly small, but because that would not be the primary accommodation for the staff, which on balance is fine. So the key arguments here is whether the use of a children's home would materially impact the character of the area, which is predominantly a single-family dwelling by virtue of the number of comings and goings and any associated impact to the noise and safety. So the staff pattern, you can tell, is likely to happen at about 7 to 11 p.m., which is unlikely to result in an intensification of the use beyond that expected of a single household. And this is the existing parking and cycle parking and waste management, which has retained its existing arrangement. And other considerations involved the principal development, which we find the applicant has demonstrated there is a need for care home in the locality, especially there are two councils' children home and a family resource center, which would be located within 1.1 to 1.6 miles, which is about 20 to 30 minutes walking distance from 49 St. James Avenue. So it creates a strong support network and has justifying the loss of a poorly accessible family home. And on balance, we find that the impact of character and the neighbor's amenities are acceptable, and therefore the application is recommended for approval subject to conditions. Thank you, Councillor Conway. Just with permission, although I was not involved in any of this, as a member of the Children's Education, OVU and Scruthers Subcommittee, with permission, can I just excuse myself for this application? You won't because because you're just reading their objections, you won't be able to answer questions for them, but you can you can read their statements. Yes, three minutes for each. Good evening, members and chair of the Planning Committee. My name is Ben Chung and I'm a planning consultant representing my clients, Miss Zora and Pfizer Siddiqui, who resides at number 60, Raleigh Drive, which is an immediate neighboring property to the north of the application site. My clients are deeply concerned about this planning application to convert a single family dwelling house to what is effectively a youth class C2 residential institution. We note a large number from the local community have voiced their concerns during the consultation process with 150 objections and only one letter of support. We sincerely request members to reject the officer's recommendation of approval and direct refusal of this application due to the following reasons. The principle of losing a single family dwelling house within what is an established residential area is considered unacceptable as it would create a net loss of family sized housing in the borough. This would serve to encourage and exacerbate the continuous and cumulative erosion of more family dwellings from being lost in established neighborhoods such as this. There has been no evidence to suggest alternative sites have been properly considered and assessed. There are simply no details of any alternative sites being documented in its evidence base in which demonstrate objectively how alternative sites have been convincingly discounted. We will simply never know whether those alternative sites may actually have particular advantages over this application site and is considered a serious flaw when properly considering other suitable sites elsewhere within the borough. The ground floor bedroom intended for one of the children is located to the front of the property and overlooking what is effectively the driveway. This is considered a substandard living condition for this habitable space and officers have not properly considered this issue. We consider the layout arrangement of the proposal to be substandard and inadequately thought through given there is no apparent dedicated staffing area within the property to provide the basis in which to operate from and provide round-the-clock care. In addition, having one of the children's bedroom on the ground floor so close to the entrance could mean children could escape without supervision. There appears to be no due consideration for access for all policies and principles being applied to the proposed development, nor has it been duly addressed in the committee report. This is contrary to local plan and London Plan policies. The site has a PTAU rating of 2 and is considered poor for public transport accessibility. This is clearly not a good sustainable site and that emerging local plan policy suggests the need for these sites to be in PTAU at least a 3 to 6. Just because the properties within close proximity to bus stops do not address the fact the site has overall poor public transport accessibility with limited bus connectivity. My clients have stressed that the council should be held responsible if any antisocial related incidents that occur and to which result in harm to any of their family members, damage to property and the wider neighbouring community. Lastly, my clients consider this proposal to be an incompatible use within what is an established residential neighbourhood and that other alternative and more suitable and sustainable sites should be considered instead. On balance, this is not a well thought through scheme with various weaknesses from a planning perspective and that we urge members to refuse primary provision accordingly. Thank you for your time. Thank you. As I say, because you're reading these on behalf of the objectors, we're not able to ask you questions, so thank you very much for your time. And then we have the agent, Jalpa Patel. You're not Jalpa Patel. Thank you, Brigitte, so if again you know how this works, if you can introduce yourself, you've got to have three minutes to speak and I'll give you a warning when you've got one minute left. Thank you very much. I am Brigitte Chordane, the Director of Children's Social Care and I have had the privilege of leading corporate parenting for the last eight years and I'm very proud of our achievement even more so, since the services to children in care received an outstanding from Ofsted recently in our inspection. The reason why I'm mentioning that is… Yeah, if I could just interrupt you to congratulate you on that, although we have four minutes for the council, but it was outstanding. Thank you. Thank you. The reason why I mention that is because one of the things that they highlighted was that one thing that we do very well is to make sure that our children who need to be in our care are placed at the right places at the right time. And why we need to look at the placement types is because everybody, most people know that there is a national shortage of foster carers and there is also a national shortage or there's a local shortage of placements for children to remain in the local area. And one of the things that we've worked really hard at over the last few years is to make sure that we create local placements and local options for our children that need to be in our care. We have invested a lot in trying to recruit more foster carers, but there is still a need for different types of environments for children. And the reason why we are looking at the children's homes is that sometimes children need to be in a different environment and not a family environment, but we want them to be local. We want them to not have to be placed out of the area and far distances from their connections from their families and from their schools. And the reason why we also want a small children's home is because if we have the children living locally going to local schools, there is a higher, better chance of them returning to their birth families and moving on to foster care if necessary. Barnet has three other children's homes that are run very effectively and have had them for some time. We have had excellent feedback from Ofsted and they're all graded as good. We for this home, we will have three children residing with at least two members of staff at any time, 24 hours of the day. They will attend school and when necessary, if they have to attend other appointments, they will go to the appropriate venues just like any other family. And this will be their family home. This will be their home where they reside, where they are safe and where they can be protected and they can be nurtured. We want to be able to create an environment where they grow and they are encouraged to be part of a community. And that's why we look for a residential home in an area that they deserve to be part of. The home will benefit from being managed by a residential manager who has got 15 years of experience. In the eight years that I've worked with her, I've seen the difference she makes for these children that we have to look after. And finally, I just wanted to say that and to try and give people assurance that the children who need this home are children who need to be protected and they need to be cared for, not because of something they've done, but because of their family circumstances. And they deserve to have the best that we can give them as a local council. And I hope that when you think about this application, you're able to be able to support those children and approve this application. Thank you. Thank you. I'll ask a question but I wonder if you could just confirm the needs and the supervision that these children will get when we've heard and we've read from a large number of objectives living around about who are worried about this facility in their midst and the effect it will have on them and on their families, with children possibly having social behaviour, other things. So how, I'm sure it will be managed properly, but could you explain how that will be managed and also how you will be able to liaise and communicate with neighbours to more get them on side and to understand what's going on? Absolutely. We've spent a lot of time looking at the objections, take them very seriously. We want our children to feel welcomed within the community where they reside. We have a very good track record of actually working very well with the neighbours, you know, because our other children's homes are also in residential areas. They're right there. They're either semi-detached house or detached house in a residential area. And we've worked really hard to make sure that the neighbours and the people around the children's home understand what we're trying to achieve for the children. So the focus age of the children is going to be 11 to 14. They will be in un-care because they can't live with their parents for any number of reasons. This is not a home for youth offending services. It's not a home for youth detention. This is our children that need to be with people who can make sure that they're OK, that they're safe, that they go to school, that they do well at school. We have very experienced residential social workers who will be working with them, who will live with them to make sure that they have the opportunity to have their environment normalised. And what we have alongside them is an expert professional team who they will have access to. We have our therapists, we have our social workers, we have the intervention centre which is a mile away where they will go and they can have contact with their family members in a safe environment. Because one of the things that people were worried about were that families and lots of people would be coming to the home. Actually we do the opposite at children's homes. We make that a secure and sacrosanct place for them so that they feel safe and that they can live in as normal an environment as possible. So they will live with their residential social workers, but when they go and see the other professional network it will be off-site, it will be at other venues, which we do for all our children across our children's homes. Thank you. Questions? Councillor Roberts. I just want to clarify, as far as you're aware, have the other residential homes in Barnet of a similar nature, have they caused problems for local communities? Not at all. Not at all? No. Not at all? So we have two children's homes and they're both six-bed children's homes and then we have another children's home that is a two-bed children's home. We will have some situations where there might be a situation where a child might have a medical condition and then an ambulance might need to be called. We've had that in one of our children's homes. We've had a young person who was quite distressed because of contact with the family and acted out in the children's home but not in terms of damage to neighbours' properties. Kelly. Thank you. In your experience at the other homes that Barnet, sorry, the council operate, have there been instances of children climbing out of first floor windows and escaping? No. Thank you. The staff that work with them are very highly trained. We also match children to the places where they live and the reason why we want to work with a younger group with this children's home is that we don't want to send our young children who can't live at home, we don't want to send them far, you know, 20, 30 miles away from Barnet. We want to keep them within their community. We also know that our schools are incredibly good and are very nurturing to our children so we want to try and keep them at their local schools because that's often very much a safe space for children who are going through trauma. Thank you. Lastly, just one more question. We heard in the objectives that you haven't given any evidence of having looked elsewhere as though you just decided on this place without considering other areas so I wonder if you could just describe the process that went through before we settled on this particular place. Absolutely. So once we received the agreement for capital investment from the council, we went through a series of viewing properties and we've actually, over the period of time, we viewed up to ten different properties. We had to be conscious, first of all, of the public purse because that's my responsibility to make sure that we use the capital investment appropriately and with respect and responsibility so we had a budget, we had to make sure that we bought something that didn't require a great deal of additional work done to it so that when we purchase a property we could actually start using the property quite quickly after purchasing the property. We also wanted to have a look at the area and one of the things that we felt why we wanted to purchase this property is that it's the end of the road, the physical place that is in terms of the corner property, it provides a lot of privacy for the children in the back garden as well as the bedrooms because they are lived after children. It also has a lot of good connections to the other children's homes that will be supporting these children and will be supporting the staff. So it wasn't just, well, here's a house, this is our first choice, let's go, and there was actually quite a lot of consideration and a number of visits to the property by different people before we actually came to the decision to put an offer in. Thank you, anything further? Oh, thank you very much. Any further comments or questions? Otherwise we will go to the vote, officers are recommending this for approval, all those in favour of approval? That's all, this application is approved, thank you very much. And if we can, Councillor Conway is coming back, and we're going to move on to Antian House for a bundle present. Thank you, Chair. So this application relates to Antian House for a bundle present, and the proposal is for a change of use of the existing single family dwelling house to a residential children's care home for free children. This is the site location plan. Just before I carry on with the presentation, I would like to just clarify on page one of the committee report, the relevant site for history relates to Carla House. So there was an application that was submitted this year for Antian House, but there's been some misunderstanding with regards to the address details, so I just want to clarify that there has been no applications for a children's home at Carla House and this was meant to be for Antian House, so I'd like that to be noted. And that was a section 192 application, which is a certificate application, which the applicant sought a deemed consent to say that it would be lawful from C3A to C3B. However, we regarded it as being unlawful because under certificate application, it requires that a residential carer would need to reside at the premises 24 hours, and that should be their living, primary living space. So if that can be noted, please. Thank you. Can you just confirm the previous one that was unlawful? That was for exactly the same. It was exactly the same thing. Yes. Nothing has happened with next door at Carla House. No, there's no applications at Carla House and that is still in single family dwelling house. Thank you. OK, so the existing property is a two story semi-detached four bedroom house. And as I said, the care home would be for three children between the ages of 10 and 17 years of age. So this is the site location and that's the aerial image. So originally this was a detached property and over a period of time it's been subdivided into a pair of semi-detached properties. So the one on the right hand side is Carla House and to the left is the subject property Antion House. Again, site photographs. Members have been out on site visit. So this is the rear elevation and this is the garden. This is the existing and the proposed ground floor plan. So the layout is that there is a reception, one kitchen, dining at ground floor level. And then you have one bedroom and a staff room at first floor level. And then there is two bedrooms within the loft space. So a detailed statement has been provided by the applicant displaying the need for a children's care home as well as detailed schedule of staff and general activities. It's proposed that 10 members of staff will be employed with a maximum of three members of staff at any one time at the premises. So the children will be manned 24 hours a day and between two free shifts changes per day will happen. So most of staff would travel by public transport with the bulk of the children's activities executed internally by staff. We have consulted environmental health, highways officers, NHS and children's services and there have been no objections to the proposed use. Considering its setting as well as information provided by the applicant, the need for a children's care home, albeit at the loss of a residential dwelling, has been identified. The applicant has also confirmed the children's home will house children from Barnet social services. However, their services will also be offered to neighbouring boroughs. The children's care home on balance is considered acceptable in principle and character. With regards to impacts on neighbouring amenity, given the total number of children and staff at any one time, the occupancy level of care home would be the same as that of a residential dwelling house living as one family household, therefore would not result in any over intensification of use of the site. The children's care home would benefit children requiring care. The recommendation is to approve the application. Thank you, chair. We have Stulman Rahman is reading an objection from Jimmy Hakim, I think. Mr Rahman is here. And is there somebody else who wishes to speak on this? Sorry, we have had down here there may be another person, but have we got your name? Is she registered? You're not an objector, you're not registered as a speaker. No, but you haven't put in your objections and said that you're willing to speak, so you're not registered as a speaker, I'm afraid. Jimmy Hakim is registered as an objector and Stulman Rahman is reading his objections. Okay. Is that all right? Is there a difficulty with language or? I have here Mr Rahman is going to speak. As with the previous one, we won't be able to ask your questions because you're speaking on behalf of the objector, Jimmy Hakim. But if you can read his statement, we'll hear that. You have three minutes to read the statement and you'll be given a warning when you have a minute left. Thank you. Yes. Hello, good evening. Thank you very much for giving me a chance to speak. My name is Mr Rahman. I've lived on this random person for 34 years. Jimmy's been my neighbor for 20 years. Mina has been my neighbor for about five, six years now, five years now, you know, we all know each other. It's a nice residential road. The whole road, you know, is single dwelling, single family homes. Yes, I'm for yes. No, Jimmy Hakim. No, no, I'm speaking on behalf of Jimmy Hakim. We've known each other for 20 years. So, you know, very nice road. And the applicants already been using this place as a children's quote children's home for a while now. Right. And it's been an absolute nightmare. You know, a young man has come out of the house, spat on my daughter's car, and she sat there crying, call my son to help her. Right. A young man has come chase my son into our house up to the driveway. You know, the number of time police have come. Right. It's unbelievable. A nice quiet road. It's been a nightmare. There's an alleyway in front of my house. Right. I can see young people from the house, go into the alleyway, buy drugs, go back to the house. One time, a young lady bought some stuff from a dealer into the alleyway that's in front of my house, came and hid behind because they can't take it into the house. She hid behind my car in my driveway. And I have it on CCTV, put foil and put a lighter under it. And I asked my son, what's she doing? And my son said she's doing crack cocaine on our driveway. You know, it's been hell. You know, I don't know what they make out to be. One evening, someone came out of the house and said, we've lost someone. Have you seen this person of such and such a description? She was running up and down the road. You know, people wondering, honestly, the sort of impression they give, you know. You have one minute remaining. Yes. Take this from the last year. It's daily. The police have been there. I've got it in my phone with you every single day. Sorry, don't eat. I know it's around. I can speak. Yes. Sorry. I mean, I said my name is, the police have been there daily. It's a nightmare. People don't have any idea what this means. It's not 10 year old children. It's people bigger than me wandering down the street, you know, at night. They have no control of the situation. You know, I'm living with it. My daughters live with it. My son's been threatened into our house. We're living with it. You know, I don't know what your theories are, but we're living with the reality of it. We didn't pay millions of pounds to live in this street. When we bring this type of people to opposite us, we didn't do that. They can find themselves in our house. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We're not able to speak. You wouldn't live like that. Have you anything more to say on behalf of Mr Hacking? Yeah. He said also it's completely out of character with the road. Okay. Completely. That's time. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. And then we have the applicant, Mr Asefa. No, no, because he was speaking on behalf of the objector, so you can't answer the question. Mr Asefa, would you like to come forward? Again, if you can introduce yourself, then you have three minutes to speak and be given a warning when you have a minute left. Sure. Good evening, everybody. Thank you for having me here. My name is Asefa. I'm the director of the children's home. So I have 10 years of experience in running children's homes. We're an offset regulated good provider. We have probably about five children's homes within London and about 30 other semi-independent placements in and around London, as far down south to up north to Harrow. In regards to the complaints from the gentleman behind the neighbour, we have had no women, no female children in the home, so I'm not sure where they could have come from. So our placements that we've had in the past have been only males. Another incident he mentioned was there were big people adults. We're ASEFA regulated, so we're only allowed to have children within the certain ages that we're permitted to, which is, in our case, 10 to 15-year-olds. So I'm not sure of these incidences. I believe he said his son or somebody was attacked perhaps, or I believe he said somebody was attacked. I've had no police records or incidences or anything like this have come to us. Furthermore, our neighbours directly right next door at the house right next door to us, sorry, excuse me, Carter House, sorry, there are young residents there in a family, two or three sons, and we've had no incidents of them either. That's all I have to say. I'm open for any questions. Questions, Councillor Callick? Yeah, can I just have some clarification? Have you been using this property as a children's home prior to this application? Yes, so prior to this application we have had residents there. And for how long? Probably about a year. Well, I couldn't give you the specific date. I think probably it's going to be January, December 23, January 24. Thank you. Chair? Sorry, Councillor Roberts. Thank you. I think you said you've not had any specific complaints from the police about misbehaviour disruption at this care home. So, what I said was in regards to the attack on the gentleman's son, I believe my understanding was he said his son was attacked or his son was approached, my understanding is what he said, I believe. We've had no complaints in regards to that. We haven't heard anything in regards to that. When we first moved onto the street, we introduced ourselves, I actually did it myself, we introduced myself to my neighbours, myself and my colleague. This is the first two days of moving in. In regards to police, police have been called to the placements in the past by ourselves. I'm not sure if police have been called by neighbours, but police have been called by ourselves and we have had those police cab numbers and this is when we've had to ask the police to move young people and so if any young person has been an issue or concern to the home, we end our placements and ask the police to take them back to social services and that has happened in the past when the child has been a nuisance, no, excuse me, but has caused problems in the home and we have had to, you know, end our contracts. How often has that been the case? That's, I've ended the contract once. Just once? Sorry, twice, twice, two different contracts within that home, yes. So the objector was implying, or seemed to be implying, that this was taking place on a regular basis? So this is, this here was prior six months or seven months, so this is, well, this was up to probably March, February, March and what happened was is we have to do a risk assessment and we decided which type of residence we would like to work with and which type of residence we further don't choose, we don't want to work with, so I'm sure the name was also confirmed. There hasn't been any issues since probably February, March of this year upon our new risk assessment. Mr Barnes? Can I just ask what sort of needs, I mean, it may have changed after your reassessment, but what sort of needs these children do have who you are housing in this property? So moving forward now after our risk assessment, to be clear, so the young people now coming after our risk assessment are typically between 10 and 13 years of age, so once again they're not coming from units, no more secure units, which is where some of them were coming from prior, now it's young people who are not able to live with their parents, have come from domestic violence, domestic violence homes and now taking them in to protect them in in in our homes. That's upon our risk assessment. Okay, Councillor Conway. I'd like to ask you a bit more, so you've been running for about a year, you said, in January the ruling came that this was that you were running amorphously, that you were children's operating, children's home amorphally, but you're still doing it, you haven't ceased between them. So the placements, the placements have been running while the application has been going and we're just waiting for information, because we were told that we should have, to be honest with you, I believe this is the the the application being put on hold by the planner and we was told that we should have got a notification by March gone, so we've just been waiting for the update and only just recently what has been told, it's been pushed the committee now. All right, the application for planning was presented. Yes, yes, because the initial application was was a law for development, was a law for development application, because all our replacements have been law for development, so we had started our law for development application, we were then told that it needs, we need to now go for a full planning application, which we're initially unaware of, which we started and from then we've still been at placement. And are you registered with Ofsted? Yes, we are registered with Ofsted. And what's their view about you, I mean you're probably operating not quite long enough maybe to have an inspection yet, but they must have, you must have had communication with them for your registration, so how's that? So our placements up to now, which are the placements we've now stopped at DOLS, they're DOLS applications, yeah, so on the DOLS applications we were able to run the service without the the application, the Ofsted registration. Quite sure I understand that. My other one is about how you're running it, looking at what you submitted about the activities, the staffing and the activities that are provided. The children who are there seem to be not going to school, but having one hour a day, or is it two hours a day, of educational activity with care staff. So should they not be going to school? What is the situation with the children that you're looking after there? So placements, referrals, excuse me, referrals could come at any time within the year. Academic school would perhaps allow you to come in either September or perhaps in January, so if it's a case where it's in July and we may, let's say for example, if you're taking a referral in July, you can't actually place them until September, so what we do is we would homeschool them until the next entry for schools. Application of the activities that showed them just having educational activity for two hours a day, no schooling, I didn't mention them going to school at all, but they will be going to school. From now they've been registered with schools and they're going to school? So for example, I'll give you a case, so there'll be, for an example, a case would be where a young person may have come during the period, there was no more entries to school, we would then homeschool them until we can get them back into school. What we'll do is calling somebody to come, calling out a tuition to come into the placement and give them tuition within the homes, or activities within the community. Yes, I'm not really clear about all this. What age are the three children, three boys that are there at the moment? Ten to fifteen. Not clear, I'm not sure, but I have no further questions at the moment. Any other questions? Councillor Bond. Would you like me to make anything clear at all? So are these children under 24-hour supervision? Correct, yes. So overnight supervision? Correct, two members of staff. Okay, all right, thank you. Okay, thank you very much. I'm sorry, you're not able to say any more, thank you. If I can ask the officers, if you can clarify about how this, about the operation of this care home, how that reflects on application for planning permission? Well, the operation of the care home is under 24-hour supervision, so there will be, as the gentleman said, two members of staff on the premises throughout day and night. So the children that are in care will be supervised throughout the day and night, basically. I'm not clear that this home is run properly or effectively from what we've heard, but is that something we can take into account in an application for planning or not? Well, as far as we're concerned, it's been running, well, as far as I'm concerned, the application was for proposed use, but it appears, because they say they're providing supervision, although, yeah, that's right, I mean, it appears that the use began when the certificate of application came in, because this application was submitted in January and the certificate was made unlawful in January, so it appears that they've obviously began use back then. But with, I mean, obviously, we wouldn't hear of problems, and we have consulted environmental health, and normally, if there are any issues and complaints from the neighbours, normally they would consult environmental health with regards to unsocial behaviour, but I'm not aware of any unsocial behaviour taking place at the premises. I'm sorry, I can't hear any more from you. Just very briefly, also, the Speaker said it was registered with Ofsted, and so some of the issues you're talking about are potentially Ofsted, the issues that would be reported as regards to management of the home going forward, so your decision tonight relates to any planning issues. So I think you've just answered that, but I've just Googled the Ofsted report on this company, and it requires improvement to be good. Are we saying that we can't take that into account when getting rid of a family, single-dwelling family home on a road, which is generally family, to be taken by a company which, As Ofsted has said, requires improvement to be good? Where does it fall into planning, where does it fall into safeguarding? In my opinion, that doesn't, for example, if it was a school and they needed improving and was at the lot, you wouldn't be refusing the application relating to the school, and it's the same. So I'm not saying it's not an issue, or potential issue, sorry, but it's, as far as I'm concerned, that's for another agency to deal. Yeah, this is where my difficulty comes, because from what we've heard from the Ofsted report, and from the owner and operator of this home, it does appear to be not running very well as a home, and I'm concerned that we give planning permission for operation to a home that isn't running effectively. This is a planning application. It's a planning application, yes. I have concern for the children who live there. And if Brigitte was still here, Director of Children's Services, I think she'll probably say that Barnet would not be placing children in a facility that's only rated as requires improvement. So this is a planning application we're dealing with, and that's it? As I say, we need to decide whether this location is a suitable location for this sort of establishment, and we need to disregard any problems that there may or may not be with the organisation. Sorry, as Councillor Barnes just said, its decision is whether this is a suitable location, or for us. Now, taking into account, can we take into account the occurrences that happened to decide whether this is a suitable location? Yeah, no, sorry. As I said, it is time to off-state, just like it was the education, and I do not think you can. Also, you don't have that evidence in front of you. You've heard from it, and I'm not disputing what was said, but a lot of what was said does not necessarily, or maybe all, relate to the house. That's not a reason for refusal. Those are other issues. Anti-social behaviour can be an issue for the police or other organisations, but it is not necessarily, and I don't think in this case, a planning issue. I think we need to look at the mixed character of the area, and decide whether the change of use would be within keeping with the mixed character. So there are flats and HMOs already existing. It's within very close proximity to public transport, local facilities, the underground station. So the officers consider that this will be in characteristics, although there are residential, but the actual premises will also be used as if it's one single family house, because there wouldn't be any more than six people living together at any one time. So there is no intensification of use of the premises. Thank you. So there's nothing else. We will go to a vote. The officers are recommending approval. All those in favour of approval? Two. Those against? One. Two not voting. So this application is approved. This application has been approved on planning terms. Thank you. Thank you. We have finished with this item. If you heard what was being said, we've carefully considered planning consideration. Thank you. We're going to move on now. The decision has been made. It's now nine o'clock and we're going to move on. I hope you heard from the discussion that you're not. It's five, eight minutes past now. I'm going to take a very brief comfort break for three minutes. Good evening all. Hello. Good evening all. So this application is that Edgware-Hedbury Road proposing variations of condition four related to the levels of a grant of permission for an 18-hole golf course. So the amendments are due to, you know, safety reasons, so they require slight alterations to holes six, eight, nine and 18. So the application outline boundary is this area here. It used to be a mix of arable farmland and now it's, you know, the implement, the grant of permission has been implemented in so far as that ground works and excavation works have taken place. So the scheme is extended. So this is a site photograph facing south, which is in the top portion of the site here where that pond is, if you can see that there. This is facing west towards the A41. Just for context, sorry, the site is bounded by the M1 to the north, Edgware way to the west, facing east. So on the drawings here on the left, this is part of the approved application. On the right is the current proposal. So you can see some slight cosmetic changes, namely the ponds, but there are some level changes that take place across the cross section of the site. I mean, the variations are minor to the degree you can barely distinguish between proposed levels and the approved levels. So the red line at the top of the screen there, that is the proposed and in and amongst it, you can, the approved one is there as well. Variations are minor, but sufficient enough to require planning permission. So this cross section here follows this line across the site. So no changes have taken place to the approved application. So the scheme of the principle of the golf course is acceptable. No changes there, no impacts and neighboring a mean scene. Additional information was required in terms of ecological information, but that's been provided and that will be conditioned to ensure compliance. No objections raised by internal or external consultees. So we are recommending approval subject to a deterioration, which is to basically transfer the legal, the heads of terms, the legal agreement into this current application. So that legal agreement included the travel plan of which the monitoring contribution has already been paid in full, ecological information, which I just mentioned earlier. And alongside that, what is it? It's to ensure, so there was an equestrian business on site and as part of that, they needed to secure a suitable location and an associated lease. So they fulfilled that and have agreed to that to 2029. So as such, we are recommending approval subject to a legal agreement. Does anyone have any questions? Thank you. We have one speaker on this, Robert Husband. Mr Husband is here? No? Therefore the applicant is not here or the agent. So have members any questions or comments to make on this? Otherwise, we will go straight to the vote. The office's recommendation is for approval. All those in favour of approval. That's all. This application is approved. Thank you very much. And the next item is Roman House. Thank you, Chair. The application is for Roman House, which is a four-storey building at 296 Golders Green Road. It's currently in use partly as offices, but also as a health medical facility run by HCA Healthcare in conjunction with the Wellington Hospital, whose main base is in St. John's Wood. The proposal is a part four, part five-storey side and rear extension to continue the medical use as an additional storey on top of the existing building together with associated works. So this is the location plan. So this is the North Circular up here. So it's one of the first buildings on the left as you come away from the North Circular. This is the building here. Backs onto these blocks of flats at James, close to the rear here. And Riverside is a block of flats on this side. Opposite, there's a redevelopment to provide a new synagogue. And then this is 125 Princes Parade, which has also got planning permission for redevelopment up to four or five storeys. The site here is the site of 290294 Golders Green Road, which has permission for development of 111 flats. As far as I'm aware, work has not yet started on that scheme. So as you can see, the context are, as we saw on site yesterday, four-storey buildings are the norm in the area. So here we go, this is Riverside Drive here. Block of flats, that's the North Circular. And this is the front view of the existing house. And these are the blocks at St. James Court to the rear. Along here, you'll see this treed verge at the rear of the site. That's the decoy brook. And in fact, that part of the site lies within flood zone three. These are some site photographs here. So this is the entrance of the site. This is the building, car park, and this is the relationship to Riverside Drive flats. And that's a view from inside the site, looking to the rear. Photograph of the front showing existing disabled parking spaces. And a view from standing in the rear, looking back up towards Golders Green Road. As you can see, the site slopes from south to north. That's the current entrance. And that's the rear context, looking back up towards Golders Green Road. This is the building. And then this is Riverside Drive. You can see number of windows and balconies which serve those blocks of flats. This is the existing elevation. This is just an example of or image of the approved development next door, which I say hasn't yet commenced. But you can see the relative scales of the adjoining sites. That's the side elevation facing Riverside Drive. And the rear elevation with the brook at the back. The existing lower ground floor, which has got accommodation towards the rear here. And the parking area, this shows you Decoy Brook. And that existing treed verge, which provides a buffer zone to the brook. And the existing ground floor, first and second, third and fourth floors. And the roof plan. So the proposed building. So this is the additional floor, which would be put on top of the existing building. Then this is the four-storey extension to the side, which also wraps around to the rear. But again, you can see it would step up from the property on the left-hand side at Riverside, but would still be lower than the approved development next door. So this would be the side elevation facing Riverside Drive. It's easier to see from the floor plan, but the actual side extension here is set back from the front of the building. So it has a more subservient appearance from the front. These windows here would all be obscure glazed. There's no possibility of overlooking of the Riverside Drive flats and balconies. This is the rear elevation that you see from James Close, although there is a quite significant tree screen along the back boundary here. This is the proposed lower ground. So this is the existing building here. And this is the proposed lower ground, which has sort of service accommodation. It's also going to have below, if I go up to ground floor, the car parking area, which is going to be on a raised deck at the back to try and minimize digging and foundations within the buffer zone alongside the brook. But the ground floor, obviously, for the main building here, the new accommodation, and then the parking area and the servicing arrangements to serve the new building. So in terms of appearance and design, this is the original, quite an unusual shaped building. This is mirrored in the new building to try and articulate this elevation. So it's not just a blank elevation, sort of similar recessed areas and cut-ins have been accommodated as on the existing building. So this is the proposed first and second floor. Similarly, this is the third floor and a void area is retained out here between the two buildings. And this is the fourth floor. And then as we go up to the top level, there's that new fifth floor. Sorry, that's the fifth floor, which is on the existing building only. The new extension to the side and rear is up to four floors. So this is a CGI. So the red brick is the existing building. This is the new building, which would be in a buff brick, so a bit of a contrast. As I said, it's set back from the front elevation, so it appears more subordinate to the main house rather than bringing it up, the main building, rather than bringing it up in line with the front elevation. And this area here is that additional story to be built on top of the existing building. And the two roof elements will be bronze, zinc, clad, and that will tie the two buildings together at roof level. And that's another CGI, as you see from Golders Green Road on the opposite side of the road. Again, showing the unbuilt development next door to this side and the existing riverside flats to this side. And that's a view of the side extension. So the key considerations are that the building is lawfully in use for medical and healthcare use. It's essentially a diagnostic and a centre providing outpatient facilities, physiotherapy, cardiology, various services. It's obviously run privately, but takes a lot of patients from the Wellington Hospital in St. John's Wood. This is effective. There's a kind of outpatient department, so there's no A&E, there's no acute services here, no ambulances or anything like that going in and out. It's just for outpatient appointments. There's no loss in commercial floor space, obviously, and there's no proposed in principle objection to increasing the floor space for this much needed facility. One of the other opportunities it creates is to relocate a very local NHS GP surgery from Finchley Road who have outgrown their building and need to relocate. They can be accommodated in this building. And it would also accommodate the increased demand for the services provided by the centre as set out by the Wellington Hospital in letters of support for the application. The side extension is set back, set down, appears subordinate, although obviously it's a large extension, it does appear subordinate in scale to the existing building when seen from the road frontage. There are no extensions on the side of the building adjacent to Golders Green, building next door at 290. The side extension is set away by a minimum of 15.7 metres at ground floor, extending up to 17 on the upper floors from Riverside Drive, which provides, officers consider, provides adequate separation between those buildings so as to maintain outlook for Riverside Drive residents. And at the rear, there's a buffer of nearly 18 metres between the proposal and nearest building at Jane's Close. Sunlight and daylight report was submitted, which shows negligible or very insignificant impacts to a very small number of windows, particularly at Riverside Drive, but not considered to be, have caused significant detriment to the light experienced by those residents. If I can just draw members attention to the addendum, which contains the original recommendation one, which requires a legal agreement for travel plan contributions, review of CPZ contributions, which have been recommended by the highways officers and also a carbon offset contribution. Thank you. Thank you. We have one speaker on this, Daniel Austin, if you'd like to turn your microphone on, there's a picture of the face. If you can introduce yourself, you have three minutes to speak. You'll be given a warning when you have one minute left. Yes, I'm Daniel Austin. I've lived at five James Close for the last 32 years. So I've got quite a good memory of the developers. This is not a new issue. The developers think developers have been trying their utmost to develop the land as much as possible and put up the biggest possible building they can get away with. From my flat at the rear of the building, the proposed site, it's five James Close, I will lose probably about two hours of sunshine into my flat during the summer. During the winter, the sun doesn't get high enough. Together with the development proposal of 292 Golders Green Road, there will be what would look like a complete overdevelopment and a brick wall around the semicircular site of James Close. I'm also worried that the development intrudes on the brook, which is subject to flooding, decoy brook. There is a legal covenant whereby the developers are not allowed to develop within two to three meters of the top of the bank, not the water, the top of the bank of the brook, because our block of flats sold the land to the current developers some decades ago. If you look back through the history of Roman House developments, you'll know that we've basically been opposing their developments and proposals for the last 25 years, certainly since, well, in my memory. I'm also old enough to remember, I've lived long enough to remember the original residents told me some time ago that the top floor of Roman House and the unusual shape of Roman House, which was alluded to by the planning officer, is due to the fact that when they were given permission to put up Roman House, the developer or the owner simply ignored the three-story proposal. It was originally meant to be three stories, Roman House. They simply ignored all the council prohibitions and went and stuck another fourth story on top of the building. I don't object completely to the development, actually. I've used a Wellington House, I've actually used the services in there. I'm just worried about the fact that it encroaches on the brook. That's time, thank you. And if they could just move it back a bit, thanks. Any questions, Councillor Conway? The report mentions that a daylight sunlight overshadowing report has been undertaken and that is negligible. Any losses negligible? Well, nobody's contacted me and there's been nobody on my balcony or on my neighbour's balconies, as far as I'm concerned. The report only mentions Riverside Drive, it doesn't mention the developer, the developing officers, I don't think has visited James Close and she hasn't mentioned loss of light or James Close. You've mentioned at the moment you only get two hours sunlight during the winter. I don't get any sunlight in winter because the sun's too low. Right, so this is going to make things worse, you're saying? Well, in summer and I keep a lot of flowers on my balcony, truthable as it may be, but it is nice to have the sun at least for six months of the year, March to September shining into my room. Can you show us exactly where you are? I've got two blocks there. Have you got a pointless stick? Yeah, not that block, the next block, that's it and I'm facing south west towards Roman House and I've seen all the... Which floor are you on? I'm on the first floor at the rear, not the ground but the first floor. Facing that way? Facing south west, yeah, so it will go, I look right at Roman House. There's a brook and a lot of trees and greenery between but you still think that that's going to impact on you? Yeah, and on the gardens of James Close. I've no real objection to the development other than the fact that it just needs to be shifted back a bit. Okay, thank you. Thank you very much. Then we have the agent of Lewis Westhoff. Thank you Mr Westhoff and again if you can introduce yourself, you have three minutes to speak and we'll give you a warning when you have one minute left. Yeah, my name is Lewis Westhoff, I'm the planning agent and I work at a company called Icini Projects. Firstly, thank you all for your time. I'm absolutely delighted to speak this evening in support of this planning application for Roman House. It's been a privilege to work on this project with the applicant, the wider design team and most importantly with officers throughout the council through a very detailed pre-application process and assessment process and this is Colmette and us being here this evening to discuss a project that we're all really enthusiastic about and one that if it's granted planning commission will deliver a significant number of planning benefits, particularly to the health and well-being of the local community. The applicant of this project is Mr David Rosenberg. He's a local resident and business owner and has really made it his personal mission to see Roman House become a medical facility and centre of excellence. He's been working very closely with the principal tenant HCA Healthcare or the Wellington Hospital, as officers mentioned, to expand and operate their diagnostic centre on site since 2006. It's now a real success story and it's done some great things for the local community throughout COVID and again and it's great that they wish to stay on site in the future and his passion and drive is really why we're here this evening. The proposal that we've prepared will really cater for the long-term needs of the Wellington Hospital on site. It'll provide some fit-for-purpose modern space but more importantly, as officers mentioned too, it'll enable Dr Adler to relocate on site as well and provide them with some real purpose-built facilities as well and ideally that's going to be closer to his existing catchment of patients. So the scheme we've designed will cater for both public and private services and we see this as a scheme. It's going to benefit all walks of the community but it's not only these great benefits that the scheme will deliver. We've also sought to go above and beyond in many other ways in terms of planning policy. You have one minute remaining. Thank you. We're delivering an architectural approach that is context-driven with high quality materials and the use of appropriate setbacks and design measures to protect the immunity of our neighbours. We have done a detailed daylight sunlight report that has considered James close both with this scheme and the extant scheme next door. We're retaining all trees on site and complementing this with 65 new trees, shrubs and other planting to improve biodiversity and ecology outcomes on site. We're delivering an open greening factor of 0.43 and a biodiversity net gain in excess of 12%. We've also thought about the immunity of our closer neighbours on Riverside Drive. We've looked at providing some obscure glazing on those windows too to ensure an appropriate relationship is there and parking's obviously been another consideration too and we've delivered a parking quantum on site that's specifically based on the proposed operation of the facility and we're also providing dedicated pick-up and drop-off facilities at the front of the site too. That's time, thank you. Thank you. I'm happy to answer any other questions you have. Okay, thank you. One of the concerns from this objection and from others who've written in is about the brook, being so close to the brook. So I wonder if you could comment on the effects of that and the motivation of any flooding risk. Yeah, so we've worked very closely with some engineers from Davies Maguire and they've been engaging very closely with the local lead flood authority on that. We specifically engage with them during the pre-application process because that rear 20% of the site is flood zone 3 which was mentioned before too. We've been very careful about what sort of works would happen at the rear of the site too and one of the things that the LLFA told us to do was to ensure that we have a five meter buffer zone which you can see in this image here which is denoted by that sort of red hatch. So all of our buildings at that lower ground floor or ground floor if you're at the rear of the site is set back from that buffer zone and I think one of the other real positives of this scheme too is we've designed a really excellent sub-scheme on site too. So we've really thought about how we can control surface water runoff and ensure that flood risk on other properties will be improved. So we've got a series of attenuation tanks which you can see there with that sort of blue hatched area in the car park there. We've got blue roofs, green roofs and additional landscaping too and it will actually deliver 92% betterment than the current situation on site in terms of flood risk and runoff so that's something that we're very proud of. So there is a five meter buffer zone. We heard there should be three meters but there is five meters. That's correct yeah and we've sort of verified that through some detailed survey information as well so we're very confident about that. And then I note that for Riverside Drive you have all of the obscure glazed windows on that side so it's not going to affect if that's in Riverside Drive. But the rear there, as you've seen from James Close, especially with the new block that's going up at some point next door whenever they get back to carrying out their planning commission, it does look as though it's going to be enclosing and affecting James Close a lot so one of you comment a bit more on that. Yeah well I mean we've thought very closely about James Close and all of our neighbours really in designing the scape so I think the closest point which is the sort of the real sort of pointy end of James Close is about 17.7 meters in terms of separation distances and I think it's about 21 meters to the closest balcony so there is quite a large I suppose separation already if you sort of measure it on plan but I think members you've all been on on site as well it is a very very dense and verdant green buffer that will be retained as well so there is that that natural separation that's there. Daylight sunlight's been very very important as well as we mentioned we've really thought carefully about how the scheme can how we can optimize the scheme whilst protecting the amenity so as I said we did a detailed report for James Close in particular considering just this scheme in isolation but also with the scheme next door at 290 to 294 and it achieved 100% BRE compliance so we think that the scheme has a very appropriate relationship with James Close to the rear and the amenity of those residents and the gentleman that spoke earlier will be will be retained. Where are the new trees you can be planting because we're taking some down along that bank presumably. Yep so yeah so a combination really I think perhaps if so there's a couple of things if you allow me to indulge you too in terms of what we what we did in some of the early iterations so the car parking deck that sort of runs along the western boundary we previously proposed to continue that at grade but if we wanted to provide new surface in there it would have unfortunately meant those trees along the boundary would have to be removed because those routes would be impacted so we came up with an engineering solution to to kind of keep that that ramp going and all of those trees can be retained so by doing that there's been the ability to plant some additional trees along along that boundary. Along the rear of the site as well there's some existing kind of shrubs that would be sort of removed and replaced and retained there'd be some additional planting along the eastern boundary and I think maybe if we're able to get a CGI up to lots of new landscaping along the frontage of the site too so the current front of the site is is pretty poor it has sort of bins there and quite an ugly gate so we've actually designed a nice sort of hard and soft landscape frontage there to the to the site too so yeah so we've sort of maximized as much as we can and and on the roofs as well where we've been able to we've provided green roofs and blue roofs as well and also managed to squeeze some PV panels on there too. A couple of us were wondering about what's a blue roof, you know what a green roof is, so what's blue? So it's a very good question, the way it was I'm not an engineer but the way it was explained to me was you've effectively got a green roof which probably you're all aware of too and underneath that was almost kind of like an eggshell type not so an egg carton type situation so that sits on the roof and then the the green roof sits on top so when the water slowly filters through the green roof it then sits in kind of the if you imagine your carton of eggs with the eggs out the water would sit there and that would kind of slow the release of water leaving the site so it's very it's very it's very you know it's a very interesting kind of model too and I've been told it really helps with the thermal performance of buildings too because axe is a bit of a an additional kind of insulation layer too. I'm wondering if it was a lake or a swimming pool on the roof or something. A bit more engineering in it than that. Yes the final question, is there something about GP surgery using it? Is this going to be an IHS GP surgery and has has an agreement been you don't have to say which surgery it is but yes has that been? Yes so yes I'm happy to sort of mention it too so Dr Adler sort of is about half a mile away on Finchley Road, he's in a converted semi-detached house with no disabled access, no pick-up drop-off facilities or anything like that whatsoever so as part of this scheme as I mentioned the applicants got a good relationship sort of locally too and we're providing space within the scheme for them to relocate here so they'll now have the proper modern facilities, disabled access, proper pick-up and drop-off for those who need to get here and it would also remain in a within walking distance for the majority of patients and there was a bit of a straw poll that was done by Dr Adler too and I've been told that the majority of the patients would actually live closer to Roman House and the current Finchley Road site. It's going to have a community benefit very much as well, thank you very much. Yes any further questions? Sorry I've been asking a lot, no thank you very much. Any further comments, questions, the officers? No if we go to the vote on that one then the officers recommendations for approval all those in favour of approval that's all that application is approved. I'll try and do at least one more before we say we're going to move on so the next one is one definitely closed see if we can start by 10 o'clock and move on. Thank you chair. This item relates to number one definitely close it's part of the Dolice Valley redevelopment site which is complete. The proposal is for shall I carry on? The proposal is for part single part two storey rear extension. The members have also been out on the site visit. This is the site location plan and this is the aerial photograph of when the development was actually under construction. Unfortunately google images don't give us the complete development as it's fairly new. This is the proposed block plan and that's where the extension is going so this is the house that's the site. This is Brent Place on the right hand side and Aphrodite Court apartments to the left. Site photographs this is facing onto Brent Place. This one again faces onto Brent Place. Brent Place is sited at a higher level and the application site is at a lower level. This is the rear elevation of the property and this is the front elevation of the property. So there's more site photographs so we have Aphrodite Court Apartments which is the fair distance away from the boundary of the application site and again this is the sort of facing to the rear part of Aphrodite Court Apartments and same with this. So these are the existing and proposed ground floor plans so that's the existing and the proposal is to extend 3.8 meters deep and across 15.9 meters wide which is across the whole width of the property with a flat roof design approximately 3.2 meters high. This is the first floor planned. This is the existing and the first floor again would be 3.8 meters deep and it's 5.3 meters wide. Existing and proposed rear elevations. This is where the first floor extension is. It's 5.9 meters to east side and it's approximately 6.4 meters to the overall pitch. The officers have consulted with the design team and is the view of the officers that the design of the proposal relates well to the existing dwelling house. There has been objections where Brent Place has sort of objected with regards to overlooking and loss of privacy. There is a new window that's been proposed within the first floor elevation facing Brent Place. However, yes this is the elevation that faces onto Brent Place. There is an existing window that's facing Brent Place and as I said earlier on the sighting of Brent Place is at a higher level and this is the lower level so there would be no overlooking and the existing window is already there. There's no overlooking from that so the actual proposed window would go in the flank elevation of the first floor first floor extension. Okay, it is noted that there has been a tree that's been felled which was part of the original development which was considered to be kept. However, unfortunately that's been felled but there is a condition that's attached to this permission if the members are minded to approve the application this evening that there is a condition will be attached for replacement planting an appropriate size the tree will be planted in the rear garden to replace what's been lost basically. So just to run through the powerpoint slide proposed side elevations and this is the additional window that's looking towards the second floor. That's looking towards Brent Place that's the existing so there will be no additional adverse overlooking impacts to those residential properties cited on Brent Place. Okay, so just to summarize the overall design works well with the main house which the main house is of a modern alternative nature. It's considered that it would add architectural interest to the rear renovation by having a pitch roof. The extension would be suited for distance by 4.3 meters from the boundary of numbers 38 and 38A Brent Place which are as I said on a higher level thus it would not lead to a loss of light or overshadowing or overlooking and a car park courtyard buffer zone measuring at least 10.6 meters would separate between the proposal and aphrodite to court apartments with views towards them through the proposed first of all window achieved at limited oblique angles. The officers recommend approval subject to conditions. Thank you. Thank you. We have one speaker Mr. Correa. No it's not here or the agent Ankit Patel. Mr. Patel if you could switch the microphone on there's a button with a face on it. It's difficult to see it. Oh of course sorry. If you can introduce yourself you have three minutes to speak and we'll let you give it a warning when you have one minute left. All right sure thank you. Good evening. Before I move to the main topic of this rear extension I would just like to clarify one thing about the tree. The tree was removed after getting permission from council. Once we had the go ahead. So I was talking about the tree which was removed which is the main cause of comments which received the objections. Now the tree was removed after getting the permission from the council. Now many of the complaints they think that it was removed to make space for this rear extension but that was not the case. The tree was already faltering and in December last year one of the branches no clues and it was almost fell on the shoulder of his son was playing in the garden. That's when the owners decided to get rid of the tree. Now coming back to the extensions well I don't have much to say as you have said about the elevations and the distance from the proposed extension to the to the adjacent flats. You can see that the proposal it harmonizes nicely with the existing elevations. The extension by no means hinders anyone's light or view. Yeah so that's it nothing more if you have any questions. Well thank you any questions? No thank you very much. Any further questions or comments the officers? No should we go to the vote then the officer's recommendations for approval all those in favor of approval that's all that application is approved. We have two items left and it's five to ten. The constitution says that these meetings should finish at ten but I'm authorizing that we can go on until a maximum of ten thirty. So the next item is 811 High Road. Hi good evening so I'm here to present an application for change of use of retail unit into new restaurants and one smaller retail unit at 811 High Road. So the application side concerns the ground floor commercial unit of a three-story building formerly occupied by Flying Tiger. The application site is within the town center is designated as primary retail frontage. The application site is also identified as a retail zone in the North Finchley town center framework. So here's the site photo showing the front, rear and internal. So following the committee members visit on the 2nd of September it was observed that the dividing wall has been erected inside the proposed restaurant which appeared to have subdivided a unit. The applicant has confirmed that this wall will be removed in the event of approval. So members are minded that there is a format position on the previous approved scheme to simplify the existing Class E into two Class E units in which the principle of the development is considered acceptable. Therefore the key considerations is that for this application is the impact of the proposed restaurant with the re-adducting in terms of characters, neighbors amenities, highway and waste management. So this is the layout and the proposed proposal will lead to the subdivision of the existing 160 square meter unit into two smaller units of 47 square meter supermarket and a 55 square meter restaurant. And this is the front elevation and the short alterations to the short front is deemed acceptable. And the adducting would be placed on the southern block of the building where the red arrow is and it's 1.5 meter taller than the ridge line but it's quite a 25 meter away from the front facade which is not quite feasible and therefore the adducting would not look disproportionately in scale massing and design. So the impact on neighbors amenities. So it is noted that the adducting would be located near to the residential flats above but our environmental health offices has viewed the noise impact assessment and the order management plan and it was deemed acceptable subject to conditions. And it's also the opening hours of the shops and the restaurant would be controlled and there would not be any seating arrangement for the restaurants. So therefore we just want to reiterate that we have got a follow-up position on the previous approved schemes and we noted that there's a lot of concerns related to the introduction of hot food takeaway and that would lead to unhealthy diet but this proposal is not for hot food takeaway as it will fall into a sui generis use class and if they would like to have hot food takeaway they have to submit a further plan application for it. So therefore the application is recommended for approval subject to conditions. Thank you. Do you have one speaker? Oh no it's just the applicant. No objectives. The applicant are all there Sam. If you can turn the microphone on there's a face image. Can you see the face? That's it. That's one. Introduce yourself and you have three minutes to speak and you'll be given a warning when you have one minute left. Hi my name is Arun Nesan. I'm the owner and director of Bus Periperi Limited. This application was originally filed back in December then it was requested for withdrawal due to the application wouldn't be successful but then we reapplied with all the recommendation from the council being modified and in terms of the extraction ducting the ductings will only have outer layer the there will be no noise there as the silencer will be installed and there will be no any pollutions or any sort because there will be filters and everything which will be installed inside the shop and so there will be no mess no noise any any disturbance to neighbors in any way as well as in terms of the food the business is proposed for a healthy periperi grilled food not there's not any oil involved in terms of the side of it just a healthy alternative food for the high street and this business approval will provide at least 15 to 20 jobs for the locals and yep and the approval means it's good for the community and then the area there's no harm in any way for any any reason and thank you for the opportunity and i'm happy to answer any questions thank you any questions no it was it was very useful having the site that yesterday and seeing what's being done there so i think we we saw a lot of what we need to see thank you very much thank you um can i can i just confirm with you when you say no takeaway i mean it's mostly a restaurant to sit down and eat restaurant but they will be doing takeaway as well that's that's allowed so when we consider restaurant normally they will do take away but we've got seating so uh the premises would be majority providing uh seats for customers that's why we were not considered as a hot food takeaway and also the the um condition seven about it should have no seating arrangement we were told verbally that meant seating outside on the pavement rather than inside right correct that'll be clarified it's not it's not clear um correct i think the conditions could be amended uh as external out um seatings that could be amended yeah thank you i think that needs to be clear thank you any further questions or comments no then we'll go to the vote on that one the offices recommend approval all those in favor that's all that application is approved and we now go to the last item 138 high road hi um so i'm here to present the application at 138 high road for the conversion of existing building into three self-contained units flats including first and second floor extension so previous application were refused at the committee for the conversion of existing building into three units already but this scheme is currently cut at the the previous refusal scheme is currently contested at appeal and this resubmission has reduced in size and number of total occupants which would be discussed at later section so this application site is on the eastern side of the high road near a junction of the lestus road and is within east finchley world the property is comprised of a commercial use for a Thai restaurant formerly and now it's vacant so this is the existing and proposed block plan and some aerial photos and site photos internally and externally so this is the site product taken on the first floor on the neighbors to the right which is number one three six eight and um offices were not able to gain access to what our number one three six b on the second floor but this photo was extracted from the previous application and looked at that number one three six a and b were not considered a fully functioned self-contained unit as they shared a communal bathroom so there are two reasons that was refused at the committee previously is due to the character and impacted neighbors and also failed to enter a legal agreement to mitigate the highways and car parking impacts of the proposed development so i'm here to um try to compare the two schemes so previously um there is two number of two-bedroom three-person units eight person in total and now the current scheme would be uh providing for three one-bat two-person units which leave about six person so this is the comparison between on the ground floor and the existing one the previous refusal one and the current scheme so that's not much of the changes on the ground floor level but on the first floor you can tell there's a set in by two meter on the side and the rebuilding line is project up to the one aligned to number one four zero and this rooftop roof level is the same set in from by two meter on the side and aligned to the boundary of 140 and no changes to the front compared to the previous refusal scheme but you can tell from the rear the size and um it's significantly reduced and this is the section plan comparison so um officers are considered that the proposal has reduced in size and depth and numbers of occupants and that um there are dual expect nature of the kitchen in the first floor flat and on balance that that would be fine as acceptable level of outlook and light to the neighbors and in terms of the previous concern on poor amenity for the occupants it's noted that that's um the first floor and second floor internal space are measured 55 square meter which is five square meter more than the required internal space so plus there's no existing um accommodation which has benefited from outdoor amenities space therefore uh on balance we find that um this application is recommended for approval subject to conditions thank you thank you we have no speaker on here on this one but there's just the agent mr hill thank you again if you can turn the microphone on there's a place and then introduce yourself you have three minutes to speak and be given a warning when you have one minute left um my name is chris i'm a senior architectural designer working at dpa architects the agent for the plan application i'd like to thank the chair for giving me the opportunity to address you this evening as explained by the plan officer this application seeks to extend and partially convert this building and thereby create three self-contained one bedroom flats under these proposals part of the existing ground floor restaurant would be retained but only as class e to use as a sort of suitable small retail union while preparing the second application we listen carefully to the concerns and specific requests raised by your officers alongside those arising out of public consultation we then went on to amend design to suit these concerns and requests the goal of these amendments was to address these concerns to provide additional information as appropriate the outcome of the process of collaboration with the council is a scheme which addresses all the local national plan policies and which will deliver new homes in the borough whilst at the same time safeguarding the amenities of the occupiers of the neighboring flats in terms of design as noted within the plan officer's report the extension would be in keeping with the previously approved extensions to the other properties adjacent in response to the concerns raised by neighboring residents the planning officer an assessment of daylight and sunlight was undertaken which confirmed there would be no loss of light to the residents within 140 high road the main amendment to the previous scheme was to reduce the width of the gap between our proposed rear extension and 136 and 136b as the plan officer's report notes the separation between the proposed flats and the commercial yoga studio to the rear is such that there'll be no material harm to the amenity plan officers given responses to public consultation comments in addition to those responses i would like to point out that should planning permission be granted development will proceed in accordance with other relevant areas of legislation including the party wall act building regulations this will provide additional safeguards relevant to concerns raised including matters such as sewage means of access erection scaffolding and dust control confirmed the applicant is content to accept the terms of proposed recommendation to grant plan commission he's happy to comply with the proposed section 106 agreement which will fund measures necessary to prevent future occupiers of the scheme from using parking bays within the controlled residence parking zone he's also happy to comply with all the other drafted planning conditions the applicants asked me to use this opportunity to explain the history of the site and the reasons for this development the building was purchased by the applicant's father in the late in the 1960s it's always been difficult shop to lease due to its size as well as the inclusion of the upper floors many businesses have struggled to survive in this location the last two businesses failed due to the fact the upper floors included within the lease can only be accessed through the shop and they're therefore unable to be utilized the applicants aim is not to maximize the value of the cyber cramming in as many flats as possible but many to make this site work a smaller number of flats a smaller more easily less will shop will allow this building to remain in the family into the future will bring back to life what is at the moment essentially a dilapidated shell of a building whilst at the same time supplying high quality accommodation that's time thank you thank you if you can wait see if there's any questions no no questions thank you uh any questions the officers or comments i'd like to comment i'm i'm the ward councillor for this one and i was also on the committee that refused the last application so looking at this application there's certainly an improvement to taking it away from 136 although there is still some effect i think on the windows especially the top window but i am still concerned about the ground floor the extension on the ground floor which means that there's very little space at the back and i think that's that's just uh congested and overdeveloped at the back so i'm inclined to say that this is still an overdevelopment of this site that's my opinion anybody else wants to say anything could you clarify the space between the end of the building and the boundary wall the distance right thank you for your question so and you could tell um the the the rear building line is actually having two to three point seven meter away from the oh sorry yeah sorry i was using my own mouth but yet this bit is about 3.7 meter deep and this um rear building line they have a two meter gap so in total the real um amenity space is 15 square meter which comfort comfortably exceed the london plan requirement thank you thank you there's no more comments or questions we'll go to the vote on that one the officer's recommendation is for approval all those in favor of approval there's four and against one the application is approved and that's it at ten past ten not too bad that's all the agenda for tonight thank you very much
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This meeting decided on a number of planning applications, including the approval of a reserved matters application for landscaping at 49 and 51 Beresford Avenue, the approval of change of use applications for Antian House and 49 St James Avenue to be used as children's homes, the approval of an application to vary a condition relating to levels on land to the West of Edgwarebury Farm, the approval of an application to extend Roman House, the approval of an application for a rear extension at 1 Daphne Close, the approval of an application for a rear outbuilding at 61 Finchley Lane, the approval of an application to change the use of a retail unit at 811 High Road, and the approval of an application to convert a building at 138 High Road into flats.
Land at 49 and 51 Beresford Avenue
This was a Reserved Matters application for the landscaping of 6 semi-detached dwellings at land at 49 and 51 Beresford Avenue. Outline planning permission for the development had been previously refused at committee, but this decision was overturned on appeal by the Planning Inspectorate. The application was for the final details of the hard and soft landscaping required to discharge Condition 3 attached to planning permission 22/6069/OUT (appeal ref. APP/N5090/W/23/3321582). The Council's Highways and Arboricultural Officers were both satisfied with the scheme, and Network Rail confirmed that they had no objections. There were objections from members of the public concerning the location of railway tunnel air shafts underneath the site and the potential safety risks involved. The Officers responded that these details were to be addressed as part of a separate discharge of condition relating to the outline planning permission and did not need to be considered as part of this reserved matters application. The application was approved.
Antian House, 4A Rundell Crescent
This was an application to change the use of a single dwelling house (Use Class C31) at Antian House, 4 Rundell Crescent, into a residential children’s care home (Use Class C22). The care home would be for three children between the ages of 10 and 17, with 10 members of staff employed in total. No external changes were proposed. The applicant had previously submitted an application for a Lawful Development Certificate for change of use from C3(a) to C3(b), which was refused.
Local residents objected to the application, arguing that a care home would be out of character with the surrounding area, and raising concerns about traffic, parking and noise. Mr Sulman Rahman, on behalf of Mr Jimmy Hakim, described the negative impacts of the care home already operating at the site for the past year. He explained that there had been a number of incidents relating to the children using the home, and that he was concerned about the potential for crime and antisocial behaviour. He stated that:
the applicant's already been using this place as a children's, quote, children's home for a while now. Right. And it's been an absolute nightmare...the police have been there daily. It's a nightmare. People don't have any idea what this means. It's not 10 year old children, people bigger than me, wandering down the street, you know, at night. They have no control of the situation.
In response to concerns raised by Mr Rahman, Mr Asefa, director of the care home, stated that his company was an Ofsted regulated good provider
with 10 years of experience running children’s homes, and denied that there had been any instances of crime or antisocial behaviour relating to the care home. He clarified that the children using the care home were boys between the ages of 10 and 15, and that there had been no female residents. He explained that two previous residents had been asked to leave the care home following incidents, but stated that this had occurred prior to a risk assessment having been undertaken and that there had been no further issues since then.
In response to concerns raised about the potential for anti-social behaviour, planning officers clarified that, whilst there were established procedures for dealing with noise complaints, anti-social behaviour was ultimately a matter for the police, and that the committee should focus on the planning merits of the application, rather than the operation of the care home. The application was approved.
49 St. James's Avenue
This was an application by Barnet Council for change of use of a dwelling house at 49 St. James's Avenue (Use Class C33) to a children’s home (Use Class C24). The proposed care home would accommodate up to three children aged between 11 and 14. The site has a Public Transport Accessibility Level (PTAL) of 25.
150 objections to the proposal were received from members of the public, compared to just one letter of support. Mr Ben Chung, speaking on behalf of residents Ms Zohra Siddiqui and Ms Faiza Siddiqui, stated that the principle of losing a family home was unacceptable, that there was no evidence that alternative sites had been properly considered and that the layout arrangement was substandard. He also argued that the proposed care home would be unsustainable, due to its low PTAL rating, and that there was a risk of antisocial behaviour.
Ms Brigitte Jordaan, Director of Children's Social Care at Barnet Council, explained that the council was committed to providing local placements for looked-after children, and that there was an acute shortage of suitable accommodation in the borough. She stated that:
Everybody, most people know that there is a national shortage of foster carers, and there is also a national shortage, or there's a local shortage of placements for children to remain in the local area...and one of the things that we've worked really hard at over the last few years is to make sure that we create local placements and local options for our children that need to be in our care.
She confirmed that the care home would be staffed by experienced residential social workers 24 hours a day and that the children would attend local schools, and sought to assure residents that there was no need for concern about antisocial behaviour. She explained that family members would meet the children at the council's Family Resource Centre, rather than at the care home, and stated that the other three children's homes operated by the council in the borough had not caused any problems for local communities. The application was approved.
Land West of Edgwarebury Farm
This application concerned land to the West of Edgwarebury Farm. The application requested a variation of Condition 4 (Levels) of an extant planning permission (appeal ref. APP/N5090/W/16/3151579, planning ref. 15/00286/FUL) for the creation of an 18-hole golf course. The changes sought were:
- At the 6th hole, slight alterations to the shape of the green and the levels of the tees and fairway.
- At the 7th hole, a reduction in the size of the pond and changes to the levels of the tees and green.
- At the 8th hole, changes to the levels of the tees and the green, as well as alterations to the design and location of sandpits. The applicant also proposed to add a stream to the right side of the green.
- At the 9th and 18th holes, changes to the levels, including a reduction in the distance of the 18th hole.
The proposed amendments were required for safety reasons. No objections were raised by consultees, and officers recommended approval of the application. The application was approved.
Roman House, 296 Golders Green Road
This was an application to extend Roman House, an existing four-storey building, which is currently used as a health and medical facility by HCA Healthcare, in conjunction with the Wellington Hospital. The proposal comprised:
- A part four, part five-storey side and rear extension to be used as Class E(e)6 health facilities
- A single-storey upward extension to the existing building, also to be used as Class E(e) and E(g)(i)7 floorspace
- Revised car parking, cycle parking and access arrangements, landscaping, planting and associated works
The applicant stated that the existing health centre was a real success story
and that the proposed extension would cater for the long-term needs of the Wellington Hospital, providing fit for purpose modern space
. In addition, the proposed development would allow the relocation of an existing NHS GP surgery to the site, providing purpose built facilities
closer to the surgery's existing patients. Mr Lewis Westhoff, agent for the applicant, stated that:
The proposal that we've prepared will really cater for the long-term needs of the Wellington Hospital on site. It'll provide some fit-for-purpose modern space, but more importantly, as officers mentioned too, it'll enable Dr. Adler to relocate on site as well and provide them with some real purpose-built facilities as well.
He confirmed that the proposed development would include a number of sustainability features, including green roofs, blue roofs8, an excellent SUD[^10] scheme
, solar PV panels, new trees and planting.
Objections from neighbours related to loss of light, overdevelopment and the proximity of the development to the Decoy Brook, which lies in Flood Zone 39. Mr Daniel Austin, resident of 5 James Close, stated that the development would result in him losing probably about two hours of sunshine into my flat during the summer
. He also expressed concern that the development encroached upon the Decoy Brook. He stated that:
I'm also worried that the development intrudes on the brook, which is subject to flooding, decoy brook, and there is a legal covenant whereby the developers are not allowed to develop within two to three metres of the top of the bank, not the water, the top of the bank off the brook, because our block of flats sold the land to the current developers some decades ago.
Officers responded that the proposed development was set back 5 metres from the Decoy Brook, that a daylight/sunlight report had been submitted which demonstrated that there would be negligible or very insignificant impacts
on light, and that the development would include a number of SUDS features to mitigate the risk of flooding. The application was approved.
1 Daphne Close
This application sought permission for a part single, part two-storey rear extension at 1 Daphne Close. The site is part of the redeveloped Dollis Valley estate. The applicant stated that the proposed extension would harmonise nicely with the existing elevations
and that it would not affect neighbour's light or views. He also explained that a tree had been felled in the rear garden after permission had been granted by the council. He stated that:
The tree was removed after getting permission from council…So I was talking about the tree which was removed, which is the main cause of comments which received the objections. Now the tree was removed after getting the permission from the council.
Objections from neighbours related to loss of privacy, overlooking and the felling of the tree. Officers responded that the proposed extension was set back 4.3 metres from the rear boundary of the nearest properties, which were on a higher level
than the application site, and that the new window proposed at first floor level would not result in overlooking. They also confirmed that a condition would be attached to the permission requiring the planting of a replacement tree. The application was approved.
61 Finchley Lane
This was an application for the part-retrospective retention of a single-storey outbuilding at the rear of 61 Finchley Lane. The outbuilding had been built unlawfully and was the subject of an existing enforcement notice, which was currently under appeal. A previous application for the retention of the outbuilding had been refused by the committee in October 2023. The main change proposed by this application was to reduce the size of the outbuilding, which would be set back 2 metres from both side boundaries. The applicant confirmed that the outbuilding would be for the use of residents of the five flats at the property and would be used as a gymnasium. He stated that:
the only reasonable conclusion is for this application to be approved. The proposed development is significantly reduced in scale from the original application and is smaller than the previous refused scheme.
He explained that his client had been misinformed
about permitted development rights in respect of the original outbuilding.
Neighbours objected to the application, arguing that the outbuilding was still a communal gym in a residential garden
, which the applicant had been told before is uncharacteristic
. Ms Jodie Benaim, speaking on behalf of residents of 59 Finchley Lane, stated that the current proposal was almost identical
to the scheme that had been refused in 2023, and questioned whether any changes had been made. She argued that:
Essentially nothing [has changed]. In exhibit one, you see clearly that the proposed outbuilding has not changed in size and is merely moved away slightly from the northern boundary. The committee's recent refusal reasons of excessive footprint, size, scale, depth and height all remain.
She also alleged that the applicant had demonstrated a complete disregard for us and for the law
, stating that the applicant had rented out two flats at the property as Airbnbs and that she and her family had been unable to use their garden due to noise and the smell of marijuana.
Councillor Mark Shooter, speaking as ward councillor for Hendon, stated that he did not believe that the proposed outbuilding had changed in size from the previous scheme. He argued that:
from what I can see, nothing's really changed very much from the previous application. It's still the same size, as far as I can see. The height is definitely the same, 2.45 metres. And it was refused on on height as well, I think, as well as bulking of various other issues and DMO one, etc. So, you know, what they're going to do, I mean, they can keep coming back and take an inch off here, there, everywhere. It doesn't really change the fact that this is really trying to put lipstick on an elephant but on a pig, actually.
Officers responded that there had been a big change
to the size of the outbuilding, confirming that it was now 0.7 metres narrower than the previously refused scheme. Following a split vote, the Chair used her casting vote to approve the application.
811 High Road
This application requested change of use of a retail unit at 811 High Road into a restaurant and a smaller retail unit. The site is within the town centre and designated as Primary Retail Frontage. The application also included alterations to the shop front and installation of a rear extraction flue. The applicant confirmed that a dividing wall that had been erected inside the unit during construction would be removed and stated that:
the business is proposed for a healthy Periperi grilled food. There's not any oil involved in terms of the side of it, just a healthy alternative food for the high street.
Concerns were raised about the impact of the extraction flue on the residential flats above the unit, but officers responded that the council's Environmental Health team had reviewed the applicant's noise and odour management plans and deemed them acceptable, subject to conditions. Officers confirmed that the restaurant would not be classified as a hot food takeaway, as the premises would be majority providing seats for customers
. The application was approved.
138 High Road
This application sought permission to convert a building at 138 High Road into three self-contained flats, including the erection of a first and second floor rear extension. The applicant stated that:
the applicant's aim is not to maximise the value of the site by cramming in as many flats as possible, but many to make this site work. A smaller number of flats, a smaller more easily lessable shop will allow this building to remain in the family into the future and will bring back to life what is at the moment essentially a dilapidated shell of a building, whilst at the same time supplying high quality accommodation and enhancing the love industry.
A previous application for the conversion of the building had been refused by the committee, and was currently under appeal. The current scheme proposed a reduction in the size of the rear extension and in the total number of potential occupants, from eight to six.
Objections were raised by neighbours at 136 High Road about loss of light and outlook. Officers responded that the first floor and second floor of the rear extension would be set back 2 metres from the side boundary, that the revised scheme had a dual aspect nature
and that the kitchen in the first floor flat benefited from an acceptable level of outlook and light
. The application was approved.
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Use Class C3 covers dwelling houses, whether or not used for a purpose ancillary to the residential use, including a single dwelling house. It also covers a small number of people living together as a single household. ↩
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Use Class C2 covers residential institutions, including hospitals, nursing homes, boarding schools, residential colleges and training centres, and secure residential institutions. ↩
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Use Class C3 covers dwelling houses, whether or not used for a purpose ancillary to the residential use, including a single dwelling house. It also covers a small number of people living together as a single household. ↩
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Use Class C2 covers residential institutions, including hospitals, nursing homes, boarding schools, residential colleges and training centres, and secure residential institutions. ↩
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The Public Transport Accessibility Level (PTAL) is a measure of how accessible a location is by public transport. A PTAL of 2 indicates fairly poor access to public transport. ↩
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Use Class E(e) covers clinics, health centres, creches, day nurseries, day centres, or other uses for providing health services or day care ↩
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Use Class E(g)(i) covers offices ↩
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A blue roof is a type of roof that is designed to store rainwater. The water is then released slowly over time, which helps to reduce the risk of flooding. ↩
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Flood Zone 3 is an area that has a high probability of flooding from rivers and the sea. ↩
Documents
- Agenda frontsheet 04th-Sep-2024 19.00 Planning Committee agenda
- Public reports pack 04th-Sep-2024 19.00 Planning Committee reports pack
- Minutes Public Pack 24072024 Planning Committee other
- Antian House 4 Rundell Crescent Committee Report
- 1 Daphne Close Committtee Report
- 24_0338_RMA Land At 49 And 51 Beresford Avenue officer report FINAL 27-08-2024 Unrestricted other
- 49 St James Avenue Committee Report
- Land West Of Edgwarebury Farm Committee Report
- Roman House 296 Golders Green Road Committtee_Report_ other
- 61 Finchley Lane Committee Report
- 811 High Road London N12 8JT Committee Report other
- 138 High Road London N2 9ED Committee Report
- Planning Addendum 04th-Sep-2024 19.00 Planning Committee other
- Addendum 4-8
- Printed minutes 04th-Sep-2024 19.00 Planning Committee minutes