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We are all here so I was just waiting for Councillor Schaffey-Amert and we are ready to go. Thank you. Good evening and welcome to this Children and Education Scrutiny subcommittee meeting. My name's Councillor, bottle charity and I will be chairing the meeting. This meeting has been held in person with the committee members and key participants present in the meeting room while others are joining us online. Should a technical error happen that prevents online attendees from taking part, I will decide when and how the meeting should continue after taking advice from the officers. This meeting has been filmed for the Council's website for public viewing. People who are taking part in the meeting will be included in the footage. I ask members at the meeting to only speak on my direction and to engage and speak clearly into their microphones so that they can be heard and their comments can be properly recorded. Can virtual participants keep microphones on mute except when speaking? If members and officers joining online wish to speak, please use the raise hand functions. Thank you. Can everybody ensure mobile phones are switched off or on silent mode? Can I ask all members and guests to introduce themselves when they speak for the first time? Thank you. We'll go on to absence and apologies. I will hand over to Justina, have you received any apologies or absence? Thank you. Thank you, Chair. No, I've received no apologies. Thank you. Justina, Councillor Ahmudal-Kabir, I did get in touch with him, he's joining us online. Thank you. Can members declare whether they have any DPI interests indicate which aspects the interest relates state, whether their interest is of a personal or a particular nature, give an explanation for each declaration? Yes, Councillor Hussain, thank you, Chair, do you need to declare a conflict of interest if you're a member to the gym? Sorry, Councillor, I don't believe so, I mean you can just declare it, but it's not a peculiar interest, it's such. Thank you very much, thank you, we'll move on. The minutes from the last meeting on 8th February 2024 has been circulated. Can we confirm these as a true and accurate record? Included responses on the action blog carries from the last meeting in the agenda pack, thank you. Before we start our meeting, I'd like to inform the committee that Avina Adegi stepped down from this committee back in October, I thank her for her valuable contribution to this committee as a parent governor. I am also pleased to announce that Hassan Choudhary will be taken over as a parent governor rep and will be formally introduced at the first meeting of the month of per year, thank you. Our first item tonight is to note a written update report on progress since governments response into the independent review into children's social care. I agreed to receive this item for noting only to allow us enough time to consider the four remaining items. I'd like to thank children's social care service for providing this response and the subcommittee looks forward to revisiting this item in the future to review the council's response to the reforms. If members have any questions based on the update, please contact officer Zaid Islam and a written response can be provided, thank you. We will now move to our first agenda of tonight, 5.2, tracking recommendations, increasing woman and girls access to sports and physical activities. Our first item this evening is tracking the implementation of recommendations from this routine challenge sessions on increasing woman and girls access to sports and physical activity in the borough that we undertook in 2022 to 2023. The legislature service was brought back into council management last week. As the doors to the new B World service opens to the public, it is convenient time to receive an update against the recommendation and track what work has been done to increase participation for women and girls in the borough. I'd like to welcome Councillor Iqbal Hussain, cabinet member for culture and recreation and Simon Jones, head of leisure operations. You both have 10 minutes to present, please take the papers as read and highlight any key information that will be pertinent for the committee's awareness, thank you. Thank you to Councillor Iqbal Hussain, thank you. Thank you Chair. Good evening Chair, members, members and officers present, thank you. And update detection plan was submitted to the scrutiny committee outlining the progress that was made in supporting women and girls to access to sports and physical activity in the last year. It is worth noting that many changes have happened within this sports and physical activity area in the last year, including within the senior management of sports and physical activity team and the recent insourcing of insourcing a launch of our new brand B Well, laser services. Chair, supporting women and girls access to sports and physical activities remain an important priority as a locally because of its male priority, male's priority, and for the fact that women continue to last likely to be active than men, if I say the person days for your information, 57, 57.5% versus 65.5% which is about 7% gap between men and women, physical activities, the girls continue to be less likely to be active than boys, again it is 26.7% versus 57.5%, so the gap is about 11% between boys and girls. Identifying barriers faced by women and girls but also understanding their needs and expectations is essential to develop a supportive and inclusive offer. Within the last year, a range of consultation and community engagement activities, events with local women and girls have highlighted some key challenges including that includes cost and affordability, having access to appropriate women-only activities, the importance of feeling confidence and safe, for example, inappropriate lighting and loitering of youth around the centers identify as challenges, child care and family commitment, however, you also have a lot to celebrate and many success stories to share. We have engaged over 1,200 women and girls through the various events delivered during international women weekend, women week. We have worked with partners like our part to deliver free and inclusive women-only outdoor session with total attendance of 428 women. 54% of participants in the urban adventure base are girls. We have co-developed local women and girls campaign called to inspire women and girls to participate in sports and physical activity and to promote the range of activities available to them in the borough. The sports and physical activity team has also worked closely with the leisure services to set up new activities for women and girls including badminton cricket, box, feet and self-defense running. We recently shared this achievement with LGA, local government association who were very complimentary of our work and they say a quote. Many thanks for the evidence and case study, it is great to see the fantastic work you are doing in the number of timelets. Looking ahead, we are using our learning knowledge to inform the development of our new be well offer which will include free swimming from women and girls, more women-only session and activities, training and development opportunities including lifeguard training courses, fitness instructor courses and apprenticeship opportunities. Women and girls' success and engagement will be at the heart of our new sport and physical activity strategy, partnership working with relevant organizations like the women inclusive team and violence-sengaged women and girls team to develop new initiatives and breakdown some of the identified barriers to participation. We also want to be pioneering and would like to work with London Sports to host a London Pan networking session to share ideas and good practice to improve women and girls' participation in sports and exercise. Finally, we are also working hard to unlock new opportunities by identifying resources and budgets to deliver new projects and inventions. These include working with external partners like football foundation, sports and land but also local partners including public health and integrated commissioning. We'll use our new laser management system and the 4G global technology to risk the evidence impact and show social return on investment of our work. Thank you. Thank you. Simon, did you want to add something? Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. The head of sports and physical activity at least left the council in January this year, so a self-anomaly step to our focus has been on the new service and forward-looking but what we have done, we've spoken to the team and got some information which we've put into the report which we've forwarded onto yourselves. We got the keys two days ago, so well, it's a week ago, but we opened the doors this week and I'm very pleased to say that we've opened all six facilities with all new brand-ins or very exciting. The staff are motivated with their new uniforms on and customers are coming through the doors, the booking systems, although we expected a few glitches when you transfer across 18,000 into a new system, it is now up and working as council the same reference, there's some new technologies with the leisure management system, so for the first time we're now able not just across Tower Hammers but the leisure industry were able to really get into the detail and capture that data. 4G global has been developed by Sheffield Hallam University and it uses all sorts of algorithms, so this is about social value, so we want to be able to create products and services which are top-class, top-end, customers are coming through the doors and having a fantastic experience, but as well we now want to focus on those people in the community who don't normally access those facilities and break down those barriers and lots of work to do in terms of the staff, we've inherited over 200 staff coming across from GLL, better leisure, and those staff we need to kind of work with them in a new way of thinking about the leisure services is part of a solution right across other organisations such as public health, I'm an even colleague here, so we've been working behind the scenes for the last seven or eight months, developing products and services which we can introduce, so join the course of this year we plan to introduce various pilot projects which will start to make a difference. One of the first things we're looking to do in May is to, we launched a careers fair and join that careers fair, we talked to lots of young people particularly girls about lifeguards subcourses because we know that we need female lifeguards as currently a shortage, so straight away we're going to be running an intensive course which is to be free of charge for local people to be able to come and attend that, so we should have an extra 15 female lifeguards during May which is fantastic, then we can start to go on, build the building blocks and start to deliver some of the initiatives, we're also talking across all the different services, so every service within the council from Youth Justice who were looking to launch a pilot project for those young people, we're also talking to young carers, looked after children about how the new service can improve the quality of life for those and other organisations such as issues to be with overcrowding, so we're coming from all sorts of different angles about how we can develop new products and services to have a huge impact, so it's really exciting time, we are creating a new vision, a new movement and we are working really hard with the staff and the feedback from the staff we've transferred across has been the vision that we've been talking to about how they can change and have an impact on people's lives on a daily basis, how customers can walk through the door and be able to walk out, feel good about themselves and that's where we want to get to, so me and myself and my team are working really hard, the priority is to embed the business to make sure it's running as we need it to run and then we're going to start to bring in the new products and services which can start to have a major impact, so that's an update for me, we're happy to take questions. Thank you Simon and Councillor I just saw the deputy mayor had his hands up, if you could be a bring, thank you, we'll move on, thank you. Thank you Chair, I just wanted to add that we're also having discussions with Simon and the team regarding our caregivers, how we can provide maximum benefit to our caregivers, so this is the discussion is ongoing and we're happy to update you near to the time. And the main reason I wanted to just update you or give you the news, which is the good news, as part of our sports strategy we have recruited six coaches, sport coaches who will be delivering sports physical activities throughout the borough to all our primary and secondary schools, so I know Councillor I already mentioned there is a huge gap between women and girls, so we're looking at roughly 15, 16 hundred young people who will be engaging in, and out of that, a majority of it will be our girls, so I thought I'll share that easily. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor MAYOR, Deputy Mayor, thank you Councillor Iqbalusen and Simon, and we will go into the questions soon, and I will take a couple of questions at a time, so it makes life easier for both of us here. I will start with Councillor Sabina, your questions, please. Thank you. Sorry I'm always, thank you Chair, thank you to Deputy Mayor, the Lead Member and Officers coming here today to give the presentation, obviously we've got a huge change in the in-house from the leisure, and it's really important for our community and people are really excited to see kind of the transition, so like everything it does take time, so it's good to have the, what Facebook Deputy Mayor for giving the report, or like a brief on the daily list of, as that was one of our questions last time, it's good to hear. So my question is, it's been advertised about the free swimming. Now that's great, a lot of people are very excited, and you know a lot of women are talking about this. Now this free swimming, now how are we going to manage in terms of the demand, and is it Pacific only in Milan, or is it in the other centres as well, because when we did the comparison of other centres, we're not pulling as, you know, women to go into, or the being women going into those centres, for example, John Orwell compared to Milan. So how are we managing the time slots, because we'd probably have loads of people going in, and then they won't be enough time for that particular session, and then you know it kind of upset people, and a lot of people won't be given that opportunity. Also with swimming, how are we linking it back to the school, so the young people from the school, you know, usually you have, I don't know, doing it somehow, some of the schools do use the swimming pools, however we're making sure that's fairly distributed around the borough, and obviously free swimming, are we going to have that, you know, where the demand is a lot, are we going to be able to demand, give that supply to the demand that is going to be in the communities, so between the schools, the young people, and obviously the people who do want to use it on a regular basis, how are we going to meet the demand for swimming? Thank you, Councillor, Shibblin, your question, thank you. Hi all, thank you for the presentation, sorry, my thought today. So my question is, what actions have you are being taken to improve the lightning outside all venues in the path leading up to them, to address privacy and safety concerns of women and girls? Thank you for your questions, over to you, Councillor Simon, thank you. Thank you for the questions, yeah, and that is a challenge exactly what you said in terms of the free swimming, introducing a free swimming program, what we don't want to happen is all those people who currently swim and use the sessions and come along and use it, we really want to target and really kind of focus in on people who don't access that currently, so there's going to be issues, so it's a fantastic product to offer free swimming, but if you can't swim, or you're not confident enough to be able to swim, so we will be introducing kind of swim clinics so people can come down and it's not necessarily a lesson, but they'll be able to get advice on swimming techniques, et cetera, there will be swimming sessions as well for complete beginners, people who don't swim, and we know that there's a lot of adults in the community who can't swim, so there's a focus in that area. In terms of some of the barriers, one of them is potentially child care, so again, Emily's speaking to colleagues about looking at introducing kind of a crash facilities, so there's certain times where they'll be able to access it, so we're looking at the various barriers, and there'll be different times within the week, so it's only been the last week we've had an opportunity to fully talk to the staff, the general managers of each of the four swimming pools to gain an understanding of their programming, so towards, we plan to launch on the, I believe it's the 6th of June, so on the 6th of June we'll launch it, by then we'll have a clear programme of activities when the sessions can take place, the different types of swimming activities, so some of these will be, as I say, will be kind of lessened or intated, and we're kind of trying to make it a social environment as well, so it may be swimming, there may be an activity after swimming, so people, the community can kind of come together as well. In terms of the children's, well, like, yes, so just come back and talk, so just very briefly, in the school swimming, all the children who attend the school swimming sessions at the moment, it's fantastic, but we know that when they finish those small blocks, they then don't continue, so we're looking at a way where the children can come back and enjoy the sessions with the families afterwards as well, so that's something we're focusing on, and all the children on the swimming lesson programme will have free swimming while they're actually on the programme, so there's a whole initiative around swimming, and at the same time, water safety because of the water which is right across the border, it's important to kind of link it to those safety messages as well, so there'll be more news coming out, so there will be a launch of the swimming, and we'll have all the detail on that, and it'll be on the website as well, and that will be tweaked and changed, and new programmes will come in as we go. In terms of the safety question, absolutely, we've picked up on that, and we've done some secret shopping behind the season advance, and the feedback has been that there are issues with lighting, CCTV, we've got a whole range of information which has come back to us, and we are working with colleagues from different departments within the Council to come up with solutions, and again, we'll continue to have those residents' groups for each of the sites, and we'll continue to get feedback and make those improvements as we go, but we know that's really important. Thank you, Sue. I'd also like to add on this, and the community safety department also picked up this issue, so this is one of the recommendations to improve lighting on the top routes and area where residents can travel and work safely. Thank you, Councillor, and Simon, for your responses. Councillor, if you could just be brief. Thank you for that. We'll have a more extended brief later on, just to let the officers know as well. When people, we have been women, so now we have ways to pay to go, you go in, you pay, so there are kind of space. When it's free, I don't know if the system is going to be pre-brooked online beforehand that you go in, or people can just go walking. If it's a walking, obviously, it's going to be a lot of demand, a lot of not everyone's going to be able to be available for those particular sessions that are there. And again, if it's online pre-booked, you have a lot of women who wouldn't be able to kind of access that service, so that would be another disadvantage for those particular women. So, if you can look into that as well, where perhaps, I don't know, 50 ladies were allowed in that per session, but keep about 20 for those who want to come in, because a lot of them wouldn't want to join online, or wouldn't be able to join online. And that's another thing that we can stop the barriers. Thank you, Councillor. Your response, fine. Thank you. No, that's exactly, it's an interesting point, because we had a meeting yesterday and exactly that subject, how we manage that process, and it would be exactly, as you say, where there'll be an allocation of people to arrive and pay as you go, and there's the option to pre-book as well. And we will change that system and tweak it and monitor it as well, so it would be as efficient as we possibly can, but thanks. Thank you. Thank you, Simon, for your response. Councillor Schaffey, your question, please. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for the presentation, and I'm delighted that we have actually in Source Day, and hopefully, as a resident, I will be enjoying the facilities of my family going forward. One of my questions, how do you plan to ensure the views of women and girls into our homeless feeds into the development of the Borough's sport and physical activity strategy? Thank you, Councillor. Councillor Hussain, your question, please. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Your engagement found that the anxiety of not knowing how to use the equipment is one of the biggest barriers for women. With your elaborate on the steps you are taking to address this, such as staff training, information sharing, or reviewing the induction process. And, should I ask my secondary question now? Well, I can ask afterwards. And then the other question I had was, what are we doing to encourage the use of the gym, let's just say, for women of the BAME community and predominantly encouraging them, how, what sort of engagement are we doing to encourage people of the BAME community? Thank you, Councillors. Over to you, thank you. Thank you for the question. I'm going to pass across to my colleague, Arnold. He's done some fantastic work with Public Health and some of these years we're talking about. So, yes. Yes, thank you, thank you for the questions. And so, in terms of engagement with women and girls, we have done some engagement as part of the leisure and sourcing. So, we've done engagement here, actually, with a range of women and girls from, you know, across the community to kind of hear the voice and feedback and something that we are planning to do again, to feed into the development of the offer over time. I also understand that the sports and physical activity team has developed a network of women and girls as part of some of their work. So, unfortunately, Pauline could not be here tonight and she's leading on that work. But, you know, I can maybe take on more information and feed that back because I understand this is a four, four months, every two months there is a meeting happening to feed into that work. More broadly, we also have Simon mentioned working with kind of wider Public Health colleagues. So, we have a healthy communities team that are really embedded with a range of VCS organisations that work really closely with women and girls and other more vulnerable groups in the community. So, we also really aim to kind of work in partnership with them so we can continue to hear their voices and make sure that we really have responses with the offer over time and something that now works now, might not necessarily work in six months, a year time. So, we want to be quite agile in the response and make sure we adapt. If I can comment on the second question. So, absolutely, I totally understand it in terms of when we've spoken to the gym instructors who are transferring across some GLL, they seem to be spending 90% of their time cleaning and probably not cleaning to the best ability either which is not the, so, the first fix is to bring cleaners into the facilities that are fresher, cleaner so it's a better customer experience but also we can get those instructors actually out on the shop floor. So, we want them out there but it's a good point we also need to be trained and understand. So, we've got a training provider who we've already lined up who work across the industry and it's about transformation and change and it's about, not just about the kind of pivot towards health but it's also understanding the needs of the community as well and so that is a big focus on staff training and being very visible and out front. Also, you probably, anybody who's been into any of the GLL facilities, it seems to have been since COVID, they kind of have a box and they call it the concierge so it's just one person, you can't actually see them because they usually sat quite low out. So, one of the first, if you're not used to going into those in that environment that's quite daunting to actually just walk through the door and to not able to see anybody is a major issue so we're going to be bringing about the concierge so low desks, two or three staff not in offices out the front who can greet customers as they come through and be able to give them the information, make them feel at ease and relaxed and then be able to take them through to the gym facilities and be able to give them that information so we understand that there's a lot of work to do and we know what we need to do and what we need to do it by so we absolutely are on the case with that so we have to see some major changes this year. Okay, thank you, thanks for the response. Chair, your question please, thank you. Thank you, Chair. Thank you for the presentation and the documents, I have a couple of questions. According to the leisure service equality dashboard in 22, the percentage of members age 15 and under dropped from 27 to 24 percent against the target at 25 so it's below target, it's an explanation why and has this percentage increased or increasing and Deputy Mayor, you spoke about the six sport coaches that have been appointed, are they working in conjunction with the SGOs, the school games organisers and if not, should they be because they're running all the competitions as well in schools. Thank you. Thank you, Shannon, for your question. We'll take one more. Councillor Belau, your question please. Thank you, Chair. Thank you very much for your presentation. I am extremely grateful to you and I would like to hear that the new service when we deliver an apprenticeship, lifeguard course and fitness instructor training for women and girls, leading to employment opportunity. My question to you, how have you engaged in school and young women on employment and training opportunity available to them? Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. You're ready to respond? Thank you. Okay, I'm coming with the first question on the stats. I wasn't here when we did those stats, but I'm aware of those. What we've just made a note of now is to combat you with an answer for that one. We're going to find out what I can do, we can benchmark that, so going forward, we know where we're at and we know what we can achieve. This time next year we can be quoting these figures and giving you some really positive responses to that particular question. That's the ambition, that's where we want to be. In terms of the question regarding... Yes, of course. Without working with the school, we won't be able to deliver, so of course they will be working with the schools and the coaches. Also, there will be tournaments, sports-wise tournaments, so many things. Everything we do, it will be in partnership with the schools and the youth service and our leisure facilities as well, so it's a kind of a partnership approach and we'll definitely do that. Thank you. Yes, Councillor. We already have school games organisers that are funded by Sport England, so please make sure you use that because otherwise we need to join up this funding so that it goes further, because otherwise it's no good having mismatched bits here and there, but please get in touch and if you don't know I've got the contact for both of them. We've got a secondary and a primary one, the primary one works out of my school, so please. Thank you, Joanna, I've got to write this. Councillor Bellard's questions, thank you. Has it been answered, Councillor? Can I repeat again. Yes, my question to you, I'm glad to have that the new service will be delivered, the apprenticeship and life course and fitness instructor training for women and girls leading to employment opportunity, how help we engage to each school and young women on employment training opportunity available to them? Sorry, I missed the question first time around, but absolutely in terms of the training, we were in the process, we wanted to be able to talk to six farmers, so we talked to the six farm colleges, but we also wanted to talk to those leisure courses, so we wanted to be able to provide young people, particularly women, to be able to come in and to be able to study in the leisure environment, particularly in terms of the well-being, a lot of the changes which have happened over the last two years, and there's also an ambition to increase to this first year to employ three apprenticeships as well, programme, so apprentices which can work across the duty manager level and be able to move them across different sites and offer that kind of training and support for that. There's also some of the fitness instructors who we talked to, they currently had an arrangement with Better, where they could pay a fee to rent the space, there was a third party who were based in Manchester, I think it was, who would take a percentage of that income and allow them to do personal training. What we intend to do is to give the opportunity to local residents to be able to do the personal training, which customers like and require not all of them, but to be able to set themselves up as their own business, so this is another opportunity, not direct employment, but to actually set their own businesses in place, so that's something we're very keen to kind of approach. There's also opportunities in terms of the food and beverage, some of the facilities, what we want to achieve is each of the six facilities to be slightly different, each one is unique, each one requires its own marketing plan, each facility has its own kind of customer-based and we understand that, and so there will be opportunities to work with local people in different ways in terms of employment. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor, happy? Thank you. Councillor Lillue, I have a question, please. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Deputy Mayor, and we want for a nice presentation. I'll just ask, could you please provide the current percentage of women employed within the Oberung Desert Service? Thank you. I have a question as well, Councillor, shall I come in now? Thank you. Thank you. What impact has the Taraharmans, Women's and Girls Sports and Physical Activity, the collective network that you had to reassess a lot of things provision in the borough? Is there some data or something you can share with us what you have done when you did collective networking meetings in the borough? Thank you. Yeah, thanks for the question. For start with the first one, in terms of the information with regards to the consultations that we've done and the networking sessions, if we're able to, we do have this on a link from the report we sent forward, but we can also send that again. We're quite happy to do that, but there is a link on there, I believe, on a link. Is that correct? Yeah. Sorry, the question again, just so staff feel what we mean. Oh, yes, exactly. That's a good question. We only received, in fact, two weeks ago, we received the information from GLL better on the staff who were going to be chupid across, and that list was probably 50% nobody there, so they were given us a list of staff, so we were thinking we're not potentially going to be able to open the sites, so we then went into a process of engaging with the team. I was personally spoke to 70, 80 colleagues who have now transferred across, talking about the vision, et cetera. We're still waiting for that exact number of staffs. We're still on board now because we weren't given the right correct information, so we're having staff arrive at my end to pick up laptops and to kind of register, and we don't have the names. We'll share that with you. What I can share with you is we had, out of the six general managers, there was two vacancies who were transferred to other services, and we interviewed yesterday, and we employed two ladies who have now taken those two GM roles. I'll be more than happy to share you once the dust settles, the exact numbers there, the percentages, absolutely. Thank you. Sorry, sure, probably just a bit more detail about your questions, about some of the feedback that we've had. Just in terms of the engagement session that we've done as part of the leisure and sourcing, I think Councillor has mentioned some of the key points that kept coming back, but there was a couple of themes that women kept mentioning, and the one was around having affordable sessions near homes, so kind of cost and locations important, having access to appropriate women only, so the women only programme that we have in Ta Hamlet is very valued, and there was a need to, you know, strengthen that programme. As Simon mentioned, there's something we're going to look into to put more activities and more diverse activities, and then a lot of women mentioned some challenges as well around time, childcare and family's commitments. This is where the crash that we're looking into has come into play, and finally the importance of feeling confident and safe, so we already mentioned some of the things around safety, but in terms of confidence, we're also looking to work with our comms team to make sure that we have appropriate communication, to looking at empowering women around physical activity, having, I guess, images that are representative of local women, local populations, and yet supporting that woman in physical activities is prevalent. Just in terms of the network meeting, I haven't that information from my colleague Pauline, but it's something that I can share and get back to you in terms of what we've discussed. I just know that there's been two meetings happening, one in December, and one in March. Thank you. Anyone else? Any questions? That's it. Thank you very much, Councillor interjecting. Councillor interjecting. The officers, thank you very much for your time. Thank you. [BLANK_AUDIO] Now, we will move on to our next agenda, 5.3. Send an inclusion strategy for the review of the draft special educational needs, disabilities and inclusion strategy for 2024, stroke 2029. This is an important opportunity to review and feed into the draft strategy to help ensure our partnership, response, plays a key role in improving the lives of children and young people with SCND. I'd like to welcome Councillor Maim Taladour, Deputy Mayor and Cabinet Member for Education, Youth and Lifelong Learning. Also, Steve Reddy, Corporate Director of Children Services and Dr. Tina Sowed, Head of Special Need to present on this item. Alright, the doctor is online, yes. Thank you. I believe we're also joined by Lisa Fraser, Director of Education who is on sale online, yes. Lisa Fraser? No. Okay, fine. We'll take that out. Thank you. May I take this opportunity to also congratulate Steve Reddy on his permanent appointment as Corporate Director for Children Services. Thank you. You have 10 minutes to present. Please take the papers as read, highlighting the key points for the committee. Thank you. Over to you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Good evening, everyone. We also have Nyla Richard at the back as well with us, so part of our team. Anyway, good evening, everyone. So, this is a draft and inclusion strategy. The partnership document was considered at April's Meeting of the Health and Wellbeing Board and they gave us an agreement for us to go with the draft to the public and start the consultation. The strategy is based on feedback from young people, parents, professionals, and a non-strategy workshop held in January. We are committed in showing all stakeholders have an opportunity to feed in. Consultation is now underway and we are very keen for feedback. That's why we're here today, so we want to hear from you. We want your feedback. So, I mean, the strategy can really achieve positive changes. We want you to see our children and young people with SC&D and their families. So, please also encourage other residents and people you know to contribute towards this strategy. The priority for the council's schools, health and partners, and of course, families, is that our children and young people with SC&D get the right support at the right time so that they can fulfill their potentials. So, I know the time is very short, so I just want to kind of highlight the priorities. So, we have six priorities for the strategy. So, the first one is a timely, effective, and well-coordinated support. Second one is user-friendly service for children and their families. Third one, early identification and support for their under-fives. Fourth one is a great education and support for every school-age child. Fifth one, opportunities and support for young adults. And the last one is a para that welcomes and celebrates children and support them to thrive. So, these are the key priorities for the strategy. So, finally, I would like to serve the mayor and as a lead member, we're committed and we want to make sure that all our young people, they get the support they need at the right time. And that's why there are quite a lot of investment into our special education need and disability of children. So, the commitment from the administration of the council is there. And this is a partnership approach. We can't do it on our own. So, we need everyone to work together and all the partners to work together. And we are very much committed for the SCN children. So, if there's any questions, we're happy to take Martin, Steve will know if he were before that. Thank you very much. Thank you, Deputy Mayor. Yeah, we're really actually grateful for the opportunity to talk to yourselves about this because it is in draft. And we're now going to launch a consultation process so really interested in your views, both on the strategy and also your advice and guidance on making sure we get this out to as many people as possible. Just wanted to flag this appended to the report. You'll see some data which does show a rise in demand and also you'll see a copy of the draft strategy as well. But that's all I wanted to add apart from just emphasizing that our children and young people and families have already fed into this book. We do now want to go out with the final draft and take their feedback. Thank you. Thank you, Deputy Mayor and Steve, for your presentation. Questions from the members. I will start with Dr. Rice. Do you have a question? Could I come late? Who said your question, please? Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Given the high number of Asian, Bangladeshi and Black students with SEM support and EHCPs in the borough, have you undertaken any work to ensure that services meet the needs of the specific groups? We'll take one more. Dr. Rice, are you ready? Yes? Over to you. Thank you. So I take in a role to be particularly interested in the male student side of things. So given the high number of male students with SDN support and EHCPs in the borough, have you undertaken any work to ensure that the services meet the needs and understand the needs of this specific group? So I'm an angle. Thank you, Dr. Over to you. Thank you. Tina, did you want to come in first? Did you hear the question? It was about the... I did hear the question, so thank you for those questions. We have done some general work, but it's actually quite appreciated that you have raised this because we haven't looked at the intersectionality between EHCPs and young people from global majority backgrounds or young people from who are male, children and young people with EHCPs. So that is actually a piece of work that we will consider because we are aware that there are different factors that impact the education, health and care plans, impacts children and young people's success, the way they access education, et cetera. So that comment and those suggestions are very welcome and it's something that we will pick up. Thank you. Question from Shibla, your question, please. Why are you concerned that the over-representation of males with SDN and EHCPs may be related to under-diagnosis in girls? Thank you, Shibla, your question. Joanne, your question, please. Thank you. I appreciate obviously we've got increasing numbers in SIN and it's a problem nationwide. It's not just a child having its problem and it's obviously affecting quite a few schools as well and I know there's whole issues there, but I'm really interested in how we're coming to this strategy. Sorry, compared to recent strategies in other local authorities, are we looking to see what else is out there or are we looking to try to be a bit above or are we going to be trendsetters, that kind of thing, just interested in how we're coming up with this? Is it best practice? So the strategy itself is based on the feedback that we received from young people, from children, from their families and from a range of stakeholders because we wanted it to really focus on the needs of the children and young people in our hamlets. So whilst we did look at other strategies for things like structure, we really faced our priorities on the responses that we received from families. And we had a wide range of communication. We put out surveys, we had meetings, we went to different events just to make sure that we captured as much information and as much data as we could. So the priorities that you see are based on the feedback that we've received from our community in Tower Hamlets. And just to add as well, we've obviously had an inspection of our sense services and had a written statement of action and we were working through that. We also had a peer review on our sense services and also engaged the DFE as part of the Delivering Better Value Program. So all those pieces of work, inspection, peer review and DFE engagement allows us to see what's going on in other places. Tina, I wonder if you and the team were looking at that representation between a diagnosis between boys and girls. And is the representation in terms of the ACN support and the HCPs, could that be impacted by an under diagnosis? That was part of the question. So we haven't looked at under diagnoses or over diagnoses in terms of gender. I believe that's what the question was in terms of boys. We do know that there are a higher number of boys with education health and care plans in relation to girls, but we haven't done that and I believe it might be something that health might have done, but in terms of under diagnoses, no we haven't carried out that piece of work. I am aware that the GSNA is currently being written and so that might be something that they are looking at within that piece of work. Our colleagues in public health are putting together a detailed GSNA around SCN so we can ensure that shared with yourselves as well. Thank you, thanks for the response, thank you Steve. Councillor Sabina, your question, please, thank you. Thank you, Chair. So for this consultation, obviously in the Council we do have the norm, we go out there speaking to different, trying to reach out different stakeholders. How can we go beyond to really reach those groups of people that we haven't reached before? How can we collect as much information, particularly from the different minority or people who usually do not connect or want to give views? Because when we do go out for consultation people don't usually engage as much and then when the service is there, then you have people complaining or we can't reach, or we want it this way, we want it that way, we're not getting that particular service. So I think it's really important that we do the consultation really as far as we can in terms of reaching out all different stakeholders and it's not just the Council, I mean, what is our partnership work, how are they reaching out to every people? I don't know, leaflets in libraries or leaflets in mosques, the smiling community, how do we reach out to them? Because usually they're not really engaging in our consultation we can see from the previously as well. So how do we reach out those groups that we normally haven't reached out? Sorry Doctor, I'm going to take another question and we'll come back to you please, sorry. Councillor SRI, your question please. Just wanted to elaborate on how the Human Services is preparing for the accompanying legislation to the government's send an alternative provision improvement plan and what impact our lack of definitive legislation timeframe is having on your planning and service delivery. Thank you. Thank you, your response, thank you. So to respond to the initial question about reaching out to communities that are hard to reach. So I sit on the Parent Care Forum, I'm the LA rep and so I have spoken to parents and carers about this. There's a survey that has gone out to the Parent Care Forum which will go out to all parents. I spoke today at the Senko Conference and the VOTs, Senko's to make sure that it goes out to parents also. But in addition to that, I've spoken to the Somali Parent Group, the rep for that, who is going to share that with that group in particular. We're also talking a range, a very wide range of young people and encouraging them to take the conversations home but to take it to families. We're speaking to young people who are in care. So we're making inroads into groups that normally don't respond to surveys but I would appreciate any suggestions that might come from yourselves in ways in which we can further put that out there. I've also spoken to a representative on the Interfaith Network and she has told me how she's going to make sure that that goes out into the different faith networks that we work with. We are making ways to get to those hard-to-reach communities but also making sure that we speak to families and young people, schools, colleges, training providers, even right down to our employers who offer apprenticeships and internships. We are getting the message out there. There is a survey that's attached to the consultation which encourages people to respond but what we've done to make sure that it's very accessible is we've also developed a widget version and then there's an easy to read version. So the easy to read version is a couple of pages in comparison to the lengthier full version. And with regards to the legislation, sorry, the send an AP, a green paper, the recommendations, the three key recommendations that are in the green paper were taken into consideration when we were looking at writing the priorities. One key area was an increased focus on the preferred for adulthood outcomes and we've included that as you will see in priority five and so within the priorities we've managed to weave in the conversations that took place around the green paper. We're looking at how we can work with other local authorities that have already started using digital EHCPs, for example. So we are mindful of the recommendations that came up in the green paper. There's a lot of work that we're doing for young children and young people who are in alternative provision, who have sent for example and that is a key focus of the green paper also. Just to add back on the consultation point, really appreciate any advice and guidance from members of the committee on making sure we get the consultation as wide as possible. So really grateful for any additional suggestions to myself and Teena and Dapci Maia, thank you. Thank you. Any other questions? No, thank you. We'll move on to our next item, a 5.4 safeguarding children partnership. Our next item this evening is our annual review and focus on the key activities of the safeguarding children partnership, which has multi-agency arrangement in place to help protect and promote the welfare of children and young people. I'd like to welcome again Dapci Maia, Casla Maia in Talakdan and also Steve Reddy, again to present on this item. I'd also like to welcome Corcor Caesar. I hope I pronounce it right, sorry. Deputy Director of Safeguarding Children, NHS North East London and Chair of THCP and Ralph Count, Detective Superintendent Metropolitan Police Service. You have 10 minutes. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. I'll introduce the report and then I'll pass on to the team and then they'll go through the slides. Traumlet's Safeguarding Children Partnership is a statutory partnership led by a local authority, health and police. So the slides are focused on key activity over the last financial years. So I'll pass on to Steve first and then we're ready to move. Thank you. Deputy Maia. I'm really grateful to my partners for joining us this evening, Corcor and Ralph. You'll see in your slide set there's a few different sections. I was going to talk briefly about governance and then invite Corcor just to talk about how scrutiny works around safeguarding and then Ralph was kind of going to just talk on some of our priorities and achievements in the last year or so. I should say as well that the team I'll be working on are annual reports which again is something we'll share with the committee. So I'm going to just take you through the slides to the set on governance and structure. So you can see that there's on that slide which has got the structure outlined, the executive group which has got children services, police and ICB represented and then we have a range of subgroups, quality assurance, delivery, looking at specific themes, our learning development group, rapid review, rapid review working group because we obviously during the course of year will come across significant cases and we carry out a review to determine whether that needs any form of more serious case review and actually reporting to the national panel. We have the Education Safeguarding Forum and Strategic Exploitation and Missing Group and then I'll take you over the page to the membership. It very much is a partnership safeguarding group so you can see obviously police colleagues, bars, health integrated care group, GP care group. We have education providers, we have capacity work, obviously at the courts, with us critically the volunteer sector, probation, our children services, early health youth services, exploitation and the education partnership and I think you'll see in the slides that there's reference to changes to the guidance and statutory guidance around this which is working together and certainly one of the areas where we're looking at developing is how our education partners are represented on the group but obviously myself I've only been into our hamlet for three months but I have to say I've been really impressed with the safeguarding partnership activity and really grateful to the work of partners. So if I could pass on to Corcor if you wanted to introduce yourself and explain particularly the elements around scrutiny. Thank you. Thank you Steve and thank you Councillors. So I'm Corcor Cesar Deputy Director for Safeguarding Children from NHSNEL and the current partnership chair for the Tahama Blitz Safeguarding Partnership Executive so I'm very pleased to be here. I just want to just talk a little bit about independent scrutiny. It's a very important rule and provides that critical friend approach to us as a partnership so provides challenge to us. So at the beginning of the year the independence scrutiny and the Tuke, okay, Mike is back home, okay really, okay. So parts of the work were independent scrutiny and the Tuke at the beginning of the year was in conjunction with the young scrutinyers which is also another innovation because they are paid scrutinyers unlike in other areas. So the under Tuke scrutiny exercise using framework which is endorsed by the regional safeguarding partnership boards. So part of the exercise as you'll see in the slides is they came up with recommendations so in a sense this report is very much like you said and we did because you can see in the achievements the progress that has been made against those recommendations. I think one of the key achievements was around the safeguarding month where we developed the theme around anti-racism with the contribution of the young scrutinyers that was very well attended and that was not a one-off. So I think when I come to Ralph, Ralph will also be able to talk a little bit more about the work of delivery in terms of delivering on that as a particular theme. Also in the past year with the help of the scrutinyer we have also refreshed our safeguard and partnership arrangements on the website as you will see. And there's been an introduction of webinars because we noted and we wanted to improve getting the learning out quickly to our safeguarding partners and to those on the front line. So we've been using an approach using 30-minute webinars which has been very very successful. I think I'm going to pause here and let Ralph also come in here. Ralph will be using perspective. Thank you everyone. Ralph Coates, I'm the detective superintendent at Tower Hamlets. So I'm the safeguarding lead from the police. Some of the things Corcor said I was going to mention but I'll knock them off my list now. But what I would like to say is I think we're a very strong partnership and we work together very well and we're very transparent with what we do and we're all focused together. One of the roles that I have that I'm very proud to do is I'm the delivery lead for the partnership. So I'm responsible for the four priorities that we've got which is anti-racism, neglect, peer-on-peer harm and infant safety. We're approximately six months into our program of priorities and we've met about three times now and we've had very significant progress in particular around infant safety which has been led by health. Anti-racism has been led by police. Peer-on-peer harm has been led by education and I'm trying to think of neglect. I think neglect is health as well isn't it? Health and local authority. So those priorities are making really good progress and as Corcor said they have come from scrutiny and other forms of reviews that we've learnt from. We've learnt from sort of serious case reviews. We've learnt from what the young people are telling us and we're trying to deliver what they want us to deliver. It's very challenging. They're ambitious priorities but the progress we're making I'm very pleased with at this time and obviously I think we're planning on updating the exec fairly soon as to how far we've got into the priorities. I think that was pretty much all I was going to say because I was going to mention some of the learning events we're doing. The only other thing I think is working incredibly well on this area is the sin process which is the serious incident notification process. So every time one of the partners has an alert about maybe something that's happened in health or maybe something that's happened in the police arena or maybe something that the local authority picked up on. We quickly set up a meeting and the three key significant strands come together and make a decision about where that case goes, whether we're going to go to rapid review, whether we're going to go to serious case review, whether there are things we need to do immediately and I'm really impressed with the way that works on this Baroque as I also represent Hackney and it doesn't work quite as effectively on Hackney so I'm really impressed with the way that works. Thank you. Thank you to both of you for your presentation. I'll start taking some questions. Councillor Shafi, your question please. Thank you Chair. Just a quick one, you mentioned the four key areas that you work on and as we know it's challenging as mentioned. I'm just talking about it in the tahamas perspective. We have sensitive, every case is individually dealt with individual on its basis but in terms of generalizing the case sensitive in terms of religion, culture and all that does that take into consideration during your assessments etc. Thank you. Thank you. We'll take one more question. Councillor your question please. Thank you very much for your nice presentation and my question to you. Can you tell me more about more about the outcome of the anti-racism conference. I think some of the outcomes fed into the work stream for which Ralph is the delivery chair and that is progressing. I think that will take time because it's a cultural issue as well so there are a number of elements to it so I think it needs time and we've started making really good progress in the first six months and we expect to do more. So in each priority there's like sub-categories of things we focus in on like adultification, education and different areas. The aim of the ultimate aim of the priority around 80 anti-racism is at the end of the day to have a statement that could be signed off by the three heads of service to basically say this is what we're doing around anti-racism. Like Corporal said, we've got some way to go to get to that. We're reviewing serious cases which kind of answers the first question really. Each serious case the racism element is asked for as a particular, is there any disproportionality here as that led to the neglect or whatever the particular case was about. So all those aspects are raised by the author and we had a serious case review the other day which focuses quite a lot on sort of sleeping arrangements in overcrowded properties and things. So every element of it is considered. Thank you. Thank you, Councilor Houssaint, your question. Thank you, Chair. Earlier this year we saw shocking statistics on sexual assault, harassment in schools. Please can you provide further information on the work under the peer on peer harm theme. I actually haven't got any statistics, so I can't sort of quote you any statistics. What the peer on peer priority does focus on is education and there's an awful lot of the focus has been on online education as in the threat from either adults or actual young persons to young persons. So that's the sort of main focus of it. I unfortunately haven't got any statistics around that that would probably come from the education but I'm sure I can get some for a future meeting. In addition, we're also working on a dashboard so the independent scrutiny is leading on that piece of work via task and finish group. So we will consider the relevant elements that feed it to those four work streams. Councillor, you have a follow-up? Yeah, fine, yes. Could we have it maybe for the next meeting? Nice one. Thank you. Chair, your question, please. Thank you. I thank you for the presentation. I think it was quite insightful knowing the data versus the armlets. That's not good. So I have a question in terms of could anything have been done differently to prevent the two vacancies that occur in the safeguarding partnership team and have any lesson be learned for the future? Also, sorry, in regards to contextual safeguarding, how are you protecting young people? Because we always have been talking to a lot of parents and colleagues and peers and they're saying that they're scared to get the kids to go outside in the community because of safeguarding issues, because of lack of police presence around public spaces or even a lack of like committed service workers. So are you doing any kind of work to improve that? So I asked Steve to take the first question around the workforce and then Ralph, if you can take the other? Yeah, I think we recognise that some of our processes around recruitment may be neat, tight enough and I think that's not just in this service, it's broader across the Council and we're certainly working on that. And we are, sadly, Louise, who supports our board is moving on, but we've already organised the recruitment process and partners are joining me on a panel to interview new support officers for that, but we've also recognised it's an area that because of the amount of activity, we do need additional support and some resilience around that team. Just on the second point, Deputy Mayor myself, I've been out visiting youth services over the last couple of weeks and a couple of the parents who spoke to did reflect how reassured they feel because the young people are in safe. So yeah, just finished that point, the parents are really pleased that our youth services apply in safe spaces and are really reassured by that point. I was just going to say that the community safety partnership takes the most responsibility for keeping young people safe, but if you look at young people safe, there's two aspects, keeping them safe in the home, which is very much all the partnerships are involved in that, we've got to identify a risk and then we've got to work together in partnership, usually it's social services and the police that do that. There's various powers the police can do to protect young people and obviously, criminal investigations can take place to try and protect the people. Outside of the home, again, it's usually intelligence based, but I know the police and the community safety partnership are working on sort of safer corridors, term from schools, robbery hotspots are having lots of police officers put in and I know that the local authority are making sure a lot of their community safety officers are in the right area, so we're very much focusing on any intelligence we've got to say that young people are at risk in certain areas, that's where we put the resources we've got available to us in those areas. Thank you. Thank you for your responses. Any other questions? We'll last one. Joanne? Yes, please, you're okay. That's the last question for this item, thank you. Thanks, Chair. One's kind of two parts, so sorry. Are there many trends by ethnicity that we should be concerned about in terms of looks after children or those on plans and are there certain ethnicities or genders that are more likely to go missing and is there specific risks associated with these groups? I don't really have a sort of specific answer around that, so it is something we do look at that the missing people. I think it's roughly equal, missing people from care and missing people from home, so there isn't an outwind statistic round there. When we look at exploitation, generally speaking, it's more young males that are subject to exploitation rather than females, but I don't believe there's a particular sort of sort of beam element to it that I'm aware of, but that's, again, that's some data that we could get together for a future meeting and see if that is the case. Thank you. Thank you for your response. Do you want to happy? Thank you. Steve, yes, thank you. Yeah, just one of the things we're at Cork, I'll mention are dashboard and looking at data and the data in the Council for children who go missing who are then offered a return home interview. Being offered that interview, the performance is really high and then also young people agreeing to that return home interview is really positive compared to other areas, so yeah, I think that's something that we can share information on. I think sort of broader trends, and that's why there's a priority round harm outside though, because some of the issues obviously we've picked up, but I think also just here and in other places, the impact of neglect, what we're seeing that more I think is a general trend on forced me around safeguarding, which is why the work that the Council and partners do on support families with the cost of living is really important. Thanks. Yes, Councillor, if it could be a brief please. Thank you, thank you. I think it's the same point that you raised really early and we do have analysis of the sorts of cases and the demographics and we hope we can share that. Okay, thank you, Steve and Deputy Mayor and both of you on the right. Thank you very much for your time and we will move on and the next item is just for the committee to discuss. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you. And our final item this evening is to review and note the Scrutiny Challenge session to report on child healthy weight that we undertook in November 2023 and agreed the eight recommendations. As the Chair, I will introduce the report and provide the reflections on this. Okay, so where do we start? So we had eight recommendations which everyone was involved in and there was three themes. Yes, I will start with theme number one on food. Monitor the uptake of free school meals to identify and remove barriers and ensure all children can access these. Ensure that youth services meet our aims around healthy eating including through their food offer, inclusion of physical activity and training for youth workers. Ensure children are engaged in food production for growing to cooking to eating, for example by coordinating work across schools and sharing best practice for the Healthy Families Program. That was the first one, second one, physical activity. Work in partnership across the Council and extremely, sorry externally, i.e. with schools to maximize children access to green spaces, exercise and sports facilities. Consider any opportunities which may arise through the insourcing of leisure service. Theme number three, psychological and cultural one, concerning using food ambassadors to promote healthy eating and provide informational recipes which are culturally relevant. Understand that food and eating are individually and culturally specific and sensitive. Review existing social spaces for young people in the borough and investigate any levers the Council has to provide or encourage the provision of social spaces for young people that are not food, sorry that are not food. Oh fast food, that's very important. Fast food outlets continue efforts to make fast food outlets healthier which is a big challenge for us, for all of us. Ensure that children with special educational needs and disabilities can benefit from healthy food, provision, access and access sports and exercise where there are additional barriers utilising tools such as EIs and to identify potential risk and barriers to this group, very important indeed. Research the needs of underweight children and those who may have eating disorders, especially been conscious of the potential impact of messaging on these groups. That's it, this is it. Any questions? It's the other way around, for me. Thank you. Councillor. So something we can add when they're doing the work on this but in terms of to help people and the young people to be more healthy we should link you to the planning and development team as well in terms of how my PFCs have been open and I have a regular, the businesses in the borough to kind of support healthy eating. Like are we allowing all these businesses who provide junk food or how far a school can have a nearby PFC? Just kind of really getting into the extra mile to kind of support healthy eating and stuff like that because you have all these schools, you can have health or school meals but you come out in the PFC. You come out and ask them about the same. So you get it, how do we kind of regulate all, we could monitor planning so that we have a regulation of how much unhealthy food can be available. Because you can see a whole of Stephanie and White Chable, it's full of only junk, I mean are we having a regulator? So maybe work with the planning and development teams to kind of get more information for this good you need to take place better. Thank you Councillor. Just to update you, I'll come back to you, Councillor. There are teams that are working from the Council with the fast food and they are doing some good work so they are trying to change a lot of things. So hopefully we'll have some figures next time. Thank you, Councillor. I think also not just chicken shops but I think we should also encourage healthier outlets to be more mindful about their pricing strategies compared to the PFC, for example, because the PFC is too cheap and then the Tesco meal deal, so I'll just go for the PFC. Thank you, if anyone else, good luck to... I think I really want to follow more what Sabrina was saying. I'm sorry about my voice. I think we had the feel from the heads that several of us went and visited that the position of the fast food relative to the school was absolutely critical. And this is like how the school were conscious that they felt they'd done their work and then as soon as it was at the end of school, then the queues were forming as the students were making their way to the local, after their nearest local fast food to store. So I'm just reinforcing my sense that this is the problem but I'm feeling that it's very difficult now to know what the way forward is, my only sort of thought is if we can have more exhortation from the heads of the schools about the situation that's happening as soon as the students are leaving. So it's agreeing but I'm not really seeing what to be doing. Good, Dr. Yes, Chip, look at your... I think from one of the previous meetings, one of the findings was that a lot of young people found that the school lunches was not enough and they were still hungry after school and that's why they were going to the fast food outlets. So is there like some sort of change and then they increase the meal or they're going to like the portion side and they make it bigger, so then that way they'll probably avoid trying to go to like PSC straight after school. Can I second that because also I'm noticing that also the meals they have gone healthy but they've gone so far to the healthy side that the children aren't eating them because the children don't like them. So the amount of food I'm seeing thrown away because the children aren't eating them and my argument has been actually having healthy schools or having healthy meals in schools isn't necessarily helping because you're turning people to the PFCs as soon as they come out of the school because they're so hungry because I'm actually saying some children have some bread because it's the only thing that I can get them to eat to feel up on and that's really unhealthy. But I need the children to have something and that is my concern. It's all good to know Sam with the healthy meals but actually if the children aren't eating them, that's the detriment to then we're going to go out and eat three or six chicken wings and a thingy because we can get it for two pounds, you know, goes back to that. So yeah. Thank you to both of you. Yes, good thoughts and points. Chaffee, do you have anything? It's all been noted by the officers here. So yes, no, you're good. Okay. Yeah. So did you want to say that? No, we're all done with that. So sorry. This is the last meeting. So the report has been agreed by us but obviously what we have said now will be noted by the officers. So this, I can confirm that the committee, us as agreed, oops, oh, good. Submit this scrutiny report to the mayor and cabinet. This will go to them. The eight points and executive to response to the recommendations that we have subject to any minor immense following this discussion that we've had tonight between us. So let's see what happens. If you do have anything, please drop us a line. Oh, just bear with me. Yes. For example, all the kind of recommendations or things that we were saying here, the feedback when it is given to the cabinet and the mayor, can we actually have a comparison like what they've actually listened to us, what changes they've made because there's no point we can all scrutinise if they don't actually listen or take our feedback. So how will we know or are we going to get that feedback? Okay, you said this. You guys have made this change and that's why we have changed to this. Like we don't actually usually get that back from the mayor or the cabinet and I think it's really bad practice. There needs to be change on that. Yes, this will obviously go to the mayor's cabinet and whatever happens, it will come to the next meeting or in the future. Did you want to add something, Anna? Of course. Sorry, thank you. Thank you. There'll be an action plan off the back of it and then it will come back to scrutiny next year, which is the same that we just saw with the women and girls' access to sport. That came from us. So that came from our committee, so we're very proud of that. Thank you, old, to the members and the officers who were involved in the challenge session. I hope this report can help strengthen the borough's whole system approach to healthy weight. I'd like to start by recognizing that this is our final meeting of the year and it has been an absolute honour to chair this committee once again. It's the second year. So, yes, things might change. As chair and a passionate parent governor, I was a parent governor for many years in my schools that I went to actually, so it's very nice. Both schools I have served 12 years, so I am really pleased to reflect on some of the key areas we've considered under my chair, from covering the implementation of universal free school meals to youth service, children's service inspection. We are getting ready for that, so let's see what happens. I'd like to thank my cross-party committee, members called T, especially Doctor. He's been part of this committee for many years. Diana, I hope that this committee can continue to review key areas of the Council's agenda for children and young people. It's obviously a very young, growing borough. I think it's the youngest in the country, so it's very important to amplify their voices in the process. Finally, if there is any other business to discuss, anyone? No, thank you. Thank you once again, and I'll call this meeting to a close. Thank you very much for your attendance. Yes, yes, sorry, yes. Justina and Anna here, both, I'm very lucky. I've got two beautiful young ladies helping me. Thank you very much, believe me. (applause)