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I thought this is the point of vice chair this time for this forum. So do I have any nominations? Yes, I have one named Angela Clark. Thank you. And a seconder? Council Ramos. So any other nominations? No? Okay. So, so Angela's the chair. So Lisa's the chair and Angela's vice chair. Okay, so welcome to the disability inclusion forum. My name is Lisa Keyes and I am chair of this meeting. This meeting is being held in person and via Zoom and streamed live to the public on YouTube. May I remind all attendees that participation in the meeting indicates consent to the audio and video being streamed live and at the moment, but after the meeting it will continue to be available in public tonight. Firstly, it will be useful if all panel members and officers who introduce themselves to the public are aware of who is in the meeting and role that they are undertaking. So, my name is Lisa Keyes. I am chair of this forum. I'm a main thing resident, rear disability, I'm a trustee at these places and I'm the chair of the main event. Anyone who's left? Good morning everyone. I'm the chair of the committee. I'm Catherine. I'm the captain of the leader for ADORS. I'm Vicki Holt. I'm community development manager for officer's committee live services and provide work services. I'm Councillor Helen Price. Donald McManly. I lead the main head. I'm a full-time wheelchair user, service user, therefore I am the deputy admin volunteer between secretary and admin. Good morning, I'm Julia White. I'm the business manager for Power. I'm a fellow at franchise and quality conclusion gauge officer for the council. Peter. Good morning, everyone. I'm Peter Hayley. I'm the chief executive of People to Places. Thank you. Claire. Hello, I'm Claire Walsh, I'm a strategy policy and performance officer. Robin. Robin Pemberton, Braywick Heath, nurse's chair and chair of Braywick Chair and Trust. And Sharon. I'm a forum member. Thank you. Okay, so I, in terms of the meeting, I request that meeting participants do not speak unless I specifically invite you to do so. Please stay at an angle of capacity when you are speaking at appropriate times. Kind of highlight, really, the importance of the forum, it's been highlighting issues, residents and visitors with disabilities for the past 30 years. A session of forum chairs and members who work well with council officers and members to improve policies, communities, and services to people with disabilities, long-term health conditions and additional needs. Over the years of the forum existence, there have been significant legislative changes and regulations that were intended to improve the lives of disabled people. The Disability Discrimination Act was replaced by the Equality Act 14 years ago. The Equality Act is about equality of opportunities, the opportunity to cross the road as a wheelchair user, the opportunity of good education as an autistic student, the opportunity to participate in elections as a vote for learning disabilities, the opportunity to save the walk to work as a visually impaired employee. What we do here matters, it might not change the world, but I hope it will change sometimes even better. So thank you to everyone here for your interest, your attendance, your work behind the scenes, and your dedication. So I'd like to move forward on the agenda to an apology for absence. I think we'll consider the minutes for the last one. Does anybody have any issues, things that they thought should be the minutes that weren't? I can't see any hands up. Can I take that as the minutes are approved. Okay, so next item on the agenda is results of the task season. So just at the end of the meeting last meeting. Yes, thank you for everyone who asked that. So at the end of the last meeting we discussed whether the format of the meeting was productive and whether there were different ways some of the things that we wanted to examine and recommend could be achieved in different ways. So Angela, Clarke and Ahmet from the Councillor, Brennan and we had a really positive meeting there where we discussed that some of the issues that may arise during the forum, or members might raise the forum, are not always, they are not always less solved by the public meeting. And therefore, Councillor Brennan's opportunity to assist the gay meetings with the right people, the right officers, members in the council. So that means these appointments could have been addressed, and then the outcomes brought back to the forum. We also discussed bringing the council plan to the forum and having a forum to decide, really from the members, which of those items within the council plan the forum would like to assist. So that's the courage stage. I imagine I've got to say, is the community event council went for it and we will see how it goes. We're not interjecting members of this forum, don't find it kind of moving forward, they want to go back and have another discussion about how we can address those concerns. Could we put it forward, say in a year's time, in terms of that report plan, to actually say we want to review as an atmosphere? Yes, that's very good. So item number 6 on the agenda is the result of the tax consultation. So a document was sent out to members and the two key parts of that tax consultation were around the livery and where it were not. The license was required, and the tax is to be identified by the livery, and then the other aspect was around the DBS checks. Does anybody have any questions relating to the tax consultation? Councilor Price, when the question is asked about people who are answering the questions normally in an aging analysis, is there also a question that says do you have disability? So I'm not sure whether we should be looking at this from the point of view of people with disabilities and from the access. So we do have some guidance about demographic questions that should be included with consultation to do it on a daily basis at age, gender, disability, and ethnicity as well. I can't answer which ones we used, and again it's apparent that maybe now, with our consultation process, we need to make it more robust if occasionally those questions don't get in the best practices. Absolutely, those questions are growing. And then it helps us to understand A, who's actually participating in the consultations, and we know who isn't getting their perspective. And B, we're aiming to then analyse results in terms of different impacts and different perspectives across the nation. And I can't remember one of those guesses but I did that in the consultation process. Thank you. Are there any other questions? On that point I think it's important to say that the council is just launching a new consultation to panel. They don't have senior officers relevant to consultations in the right department, but there will be more consultations before they go out. And hopefully those are the kind of items that these consultation panels will be looking at to make sure we're robust and the right questions get out into these consultations, rather than individual questions which might be relevant to the group and ends, when they are not designed by consultation specialists. Tom? I probably haven't written enough background material but I remember taking part in the consultation. What is the status of the result of the decision? So, yeah, so the licensing panel works with their outcome and it might bring the agenda. They confirm that we will be renewing the delivery so it won't be changed. But to ensure that it's still recognisable as arbitrary cartridges and a still safe aspect. That is currently being worked with both my offices, I'll make various designs for what the new delivery looks like and how it is. I think there's a balance to be made between what some might see as the excessive cost of the delivery which is currently in place. I think it's around £2,000 for the delivery for drivers. But making sure that they are recognisable by all of our residents, everyone. Also, obviously with junior and marketings, I don't think it's good because in winter actually you've got a lot of tourists within the borough who need to make sure that they can identify specific felines as happening, and that there are just some permanent items, so there will be a change to the delivery, but the final four hasn't quite been decided yet. And also with the DBS checks, that six monthly DBS checks should be introduced and the drivers will pay for this from the 1st of April 2021. Just a question, my understanding is that the new delivery will be phased in, because the taxi drivers are going to have to pay for this money to continue, so it will be phased in as they are changing their car, and it will have a period of time that we have to be able to go into, so it's trying to be mindful and really pressure on taxi drivers. I did have a look at the wheelchair accessible vehicles, which I listed on the website. I'm sure in the past there was a 10 year unsealing on vehicles that were moving to B tasks. And I noticed that it's about 70% of wheelchair accessible vehicles are 10 years old or older, with the obvious being 18 years old, which just seems fairly old. There were very few that were under five years old, and it's not a public risk or a sensation, but it might be interesting to consider if there were age limits for vehicles that were missing. It might be something that if the power, which we can try to set up a frequent session with either the licensing panel or specific relevant offices within the department, just to see what are our rules and how many changes you will see. We need to make sure that if currently there isn't a limit on time, if there are specific limits on time, we won't make sure that we weren't going to immediately colour the majority of our accessible vehicles and then end up with very few in place. So I think there's a balance between the conversation and seeing what are the current rules and why are they in place. So we moved nicely onto the House Plan 2024-2028. So Claire, are you able to talk through this? Yeah, I was hoping I'd be able to share some slides. I don't think it seemed to have that facility available. Excellent, thank you. So I was just going to kind of give a brief overview of the Council Plan, there's a lot more slides so I am going to kind of skip through a few of these where I think they're less relevant. But just to give kind of a little bit of background, also, pulling out from the document that you have already seen, and was released earlier this year, that is the Council Plan. So all this information, a lot of this information is just drawn from that document. So, kind of stating what our vision for the Council and for the borough is, what our aims, our priorities, and our deliverables. So by deliverables we mean the things that we're going to do, so kind of the actions, what we'll deliver. And they're predominantly things that we're planning to do this year. I'll briefly touch on our values and how we're going to monitor. So, in terms of the Council Plan, as Council we see this as our most important strategic document. And, as I mentioned, we've got the vision, aims and priorities, what we'll deliver, but also the performance measures so that's the way that we'll measure our progress, or one of the ways we'll be measuring our progress against the plan. We'll be continuing to monitor this quarterly. We'll also refresh the Council Plan annually but that's predominantly about the deliverables so we'd see that our vision, our aims and our priorities are likely to very much stay the same. And then, and also seeing the Council Plan is this is the way that we prioritise our resources and prioritise what we're doing with our money, with our assets and also with our time as a Council. So in terms of our vision, our vision for the Council is. This is where we want to aim, this is kind of, I think, as the target show, so looking to be an outward looking collaborative learning organisation, to be at the heart of the boroughs community, so championing local issues, caring and empowering residents, and also looking at the footprint that we're operating on and making sure that's on the appropriate footprint which is likely in some cases to be more on a regional footprint in terms of things like the Berkshire Prosperity Board. But thinking about how we're working with others, how we're collaborating with our partners as well. And then in terms of the vision for the borough, so that's a borough of safer, greener and cleaner communities with opportunity for all. So this is underpinned by the five aims that we have. So in terms of kind of thinking about this terminology and trying to make sense of it so we've got the vision as the top of the hierarchy supported by those aims supported by the priorities that underpin those aims and the deliverables. And we'll see these will also be in our staff objectives so when we make our plans, but also in the service plans that we have. So, and in terms of thinking of the kind of important things such as sustainability and inequalities. We can think of them as things that run through this hierarchy so they're not separate to it. And that our values are really important in the way that they guide our choices and behaviour. And so these are the four council values that we've kind of refreshed in the past year. So, that's all a bit abstract. So, putting that into words. So we have our five aims. So, the first aim is about the finances. So that remains an urgent and important priority that we can't do without stable financial position we can't do all the other things that we'd want to do. So, it's basically to put the Council on a strong financial footing to serve the borough effectively. Aim two is about the having about the, I suppose the environment and the borough so having a cleaner, greener, safer, and more prosperous borough. And so, a lot of those deliverables align with things that the place directorate will be doing, but it's not solely about what the place directorate does. And similarly, aims three and four so aim three being focused around children and young people to have a good start in life and access to opportunities through to adulthood. Although that is predominantly around the work of one department, we see the, I guess, countering silo working and working across the organization is really important to delivering these things. And then aim four, thinking more about adults but also all the people who live in the borough. And how people live healthy and independent lives and supportive communities. Then finally, aim five so that's, that's about us as a council so being a high performing council that delivers for a borough. But that also links in with how we're working with others how we're listening to our residents, communities, how we're engaging with our partners and other organizations and people. The bit I'm now going to skip through very quickly is basically under each of these aims we've got a number of priorities. But these are all within the council plan, which you, you may have looked at already and we can come back to these if they were particular ones you wanted to focus on. But as I understood it, it's this kind of the greater interest is probably around the deliverables, and how you as a group can have a positive impact on those. So, in terms of the deliverables so they kind of form the secondary part of that council plan. There's 94 of them, so not anticipating kind of going through them individually today. But each deliverable has a lead directorate, or it might be described as cross cutting in there so that's about being able to hold people to account for delivery of them. As I mentioned, they're mainly due to be delivered in this year or that they are part of a longer program where there will be some kind of objective to be delivered this year in preparation for the future. So they can include a number of things so they can be about establishing improve processes. They can be what we described as transformation projects in terms of changing the way that we're working. And there's also pieces around strategy and policy development work. So, thinking about the council plan, it doesn't include absolutely everything so there's a lot of business as usual work that continues, and this is kind of, in addition to that business as usual. So you might, you don't necessarily see everything the council and officers are doing described in these. So, with Ellen and this is a slide I'll come back to at the end. We looked through those 94 deliverables, and these are the ones that we thought that might be of most interest. So it's not to say you can't be interested on your feedback, if there are other ones that you've seen that you think are relevant. That you would like as part of your coach plan or would like to contribute to. And also that you might look at some of these and say, actually they're not, they're not things that are of interest to the group. So, in terms of, I suppose, holding the council to account so it's not just about what we're doing, which is about kind of the things that we're delivering. It's also about how we're doing it. And I think that that's what's led by our values, so think in terms of our values so kind of humility where we don't know everything so we do need to listen to others and to be open to changing in response to them. Empowerment is, I think, about the way that we work internally so that's about having the information that people need to do their jobs and feeling confident they can make those decisions. Respect being about how we treat people, both within the council and beyond the council. And one team, being about how we help, I think how we work across the council across teams across directorates, but also thinking more broadly than that and about how we work with our partners as well. Finally, how will we monitor our delivery. So, I appreciate this might initially seemed quite confusing because there's quite a few things that we're monitoring. And so, what you're seeing is I guess the more public monitoring but there's also kind of monitoring within the council as well in terms of kind of the governance structures that sit underneath this. So, in terms of what was be seen more publicly so we have what's called the RBWM future shape program which is about our transformation work. So that's really important thing that's happening this year and it is in the deliverables. So, there will be monthly budget monitoring alongside the transformation dashboard on on a monthly basis. Then on the quarterly basis, the quarterly assurance report, which is kind of a long already in existence, will now include in addition to being updated with the performance measures that are in this new council plan. It will also include quarterly updates on transformation as well. In terms of the deliverables so that that list of 94 items. The intention is to do that on a six monthly basis, and that will form part of the quarterly assurance report. And then on an annual basis, we will report on how we've performed against the council plan for that year. They'll also be essentially an annual refresh process. And so that's, that's about checking back in that we have the right aims and priorities and deciding on those deliverables for the year ahead. So I think that's all the slides. So, is it helpful if I go back. I suppose, firstly, any questions, but then if I share this deliverable slide. I'm kind of aware that it might not be easy to read. I'm not sure how it looks from where you are. Take the participation part. So if I also read out what the aims are that have been selected. Well, I guess, first of all, does anyone have any questions that don't relate to these specific deliverables? I put it on page seven, and there's a whole section on quality, diversity, inclusion, and restoration. They're the same if you want to achieve. When I then look to the plan to see, well, where is this reflected, immeasurable outcomes, I can't easily see it. And where is the intention, vision, sex? I think it's to disagreement that. The reality of life is that people get judged on and you deliver what they're going to be judged on. And if that isn't actually overtly deliverable, it could get left. Now it could be I haven't spotted it, but I've been trying to see the relationship and vision. Where that appears, and specific things we can measure. Yes, we're doing. So I can put out that. So I think a lot of this, I mean, particularly around living healthy lives, opportunities for children, opportunities for people living independently. I think that EDI is baked into a lot of that, and it kind of turns into a process of how we're doing things. It should be, I think, it is integral to a lot of the things we must do. So pulling out, kind of isolating those things, outside of that kind of priority of the aim, it's not always because it should be in there. I'd say we've got the equality objectives. I think that's the area where we can have the more specific focus on equality, diversity and inclusion. Now that we've got the new council plan, the council objective was set last year. So I think it is now a process of making sure that those aligned with the priorities are in the council plan and that would be where there will be options to pull out things which have a more obvious relevance for equality and diversity. As well as including all the other things that we've already highlighted, that we want to look at. So I'd say the equality objectives are probably the area where that focus will be greater, but I think it is kind of baked into a lot of the things that we're looking at, but is maybe less explicit in the council plan. So in terms of monitoring the successful implementation, I sit on corporate research and we would look at what they have been able to report on an important basis, or half a basis of how to afford them. But what would the role of this forum mean in looking at how things are formed? Because a corporate would be a whole lot of people who can't zoom down to something specific, spend a lot of time specific. Would it be useful for this forum to be looking at those things that help achieve the vision of the… The suggestion is, yes Matt, whatever the deliverables are that the forum agrees it would be likely to participate in helping out to achieve that, yes we would be monitoring those outcomes because that is a measure of success in there. And I mean another element of how things are going to do is the equality impact assessments that are done through each project, policy change etc. And I don't know if it's expected that each of these 94 deliverables will have an equality impact assessment to kind of supplement how those deliverables are going to be achieved. So I think it depends, it would be, because we are kind of deliverables to be part of the project, we would have decisions. There will be kind of EQIAs, if there are new sorts of change or new sorts of things set up, there's a decision as most cabinet would always have… So the contract would be attached to them, it won't kind of by default all happen as the deliverable tool that they are, but as part of that approach, I would expect the EQIAs to kind of go on for the actions that they take. Because one of the things that I know isn't on this suggested list of deliverables is in aim one, where it talks about drive, channel shift and information for access. That has the potential to be difficult for various groups of people with disabilities, but also participants, so it's thinking about that in a particular way, because it's got something where you do have digital exclusion in it, making sure that there are activity impact assessments. I think that's really important. So, within that strategic priority, each of the different directors has got a special award for the assessment. I was with the executive director and other members, so you can see that, so, I would imagine that that strategic priority won't be selected. Obviously there will be changes which come and it's an improvement to those things that come with EQIAs attached. But I think that for me is one of those items where this disability inclusion program could really get involved in what to help and shape what that looks like, and see where that comes from. So, I would be expecting with this, when the first thoughts come to this and the type of implementation dates are September, October and then March next year, I see those as the equality impact assessment, and what do we want that future to be, setting the objective of the scope of our project, what they do to that scope, making sure that we make it easier for people that don't have easy access online, and aren't flexible online, being able to use those resources. So, I think it's that thing that's so inalienable, so it doesn't go by the way, it's just getting rid of that. So, we did try to highlight that kind of access, digital accessibility. So, the bottom one, which is under the bit of high-performing council, the equilibrium forum, so one of the liveables of that is take steps to improve digital access to services, including the council's website, making payments and transactions easier and refreshing reporting. So, yeah, I think we did try to highlight that bit, because, yeah, I think like we were saying, that's simply being really forced, and making sure that we're not kind of excluding anybody when we're making changes happen, like classes and whatnot. And we've got some fantastic resources within libraries, which comes with a microphone, it really means a lot. Actually, we've got some fantastic volunteers, where we have a number of people on quick fixes, who struggle with technology. There was a lovely lady who came into the library the other day, who's grand son, or grandpa, but she doesn't know why he was in the box, she had absolutely no idea what to do with it, let alone how to turn it on. How can we, the library, and the library team, have got to set something up, talk us through how to use it, what's going to mean, what's happening completely, into the accessible and easy modes that they have connected on our app. So, it's about giving, giving those kind of resources that we haven't used, the libraries don't have tablets for money, so if you don't have access to the internet, or the ones at home, or you want to get used to it, the library can have these tablets for loan buyers, for fellow partners and can't reach that service, and you can come and learn that technology by borrowing from the library for a while, because it might be a great deal for you, and you might then want to invest in the future, but it's about getting over the barrier. Anybody online have any questions or comments to make? Peter? My apologies if this is something that has already been covered. I'm afraid the audio quality online isn't great, so forgive me if I ask a daft question. However, I've been looking at the council plan, particularly the strategic priority 4.2, and the deliverables underneath that. I was particularly looking at review and embed stronger engagement practices with appropriate community sets of partners to support early community-based non-statutory help for residents, helping them to remain living independently for longer in their own homes, which I very much welcome. That all sounds great stuff, I'm very keen on all of this. It's got a target completion date of September 24, which seems ambitious, but it's only ambitious, because I'm not 100% sure quite what does that mean? What is it that's going to be delivered in terms of those engagement practices? If possible, if anyone could just explain what that precisely means for me, please. Thank you. These are activities that are released in the transformation plan for this year. In fact, it's come up in previous years. It's come up in previous budgets, but actually not been implemented. So we now have this overarching transformation committee overseeing these transformations. But the work, particularly I'm looking at the bullet one here, which sits in my directorate, is keeping people living their lives longer. The work has already started on that. So although September is only three or four months away, the work has already started and it has in fact started in previous years. I happen to go to him once a month, and I make sure we are still watching out for that, but I'm not overly worried at this point. I hope that helps. Thank you. Thank you very much. Lisa, sorry. I'm out of the way. So just what I wanted to say generally on this was that this administration, we're very keen to involve stakeholders and processes much earlier rather than sort of coming up with a strategy. What do you think? I know that there has been a lot of engagement over this, so I think it's interesting to know really these 24 and a half things of how it's going and what we can improve in terms of, you know, getting that early problem, but also at the beginning of the meeting you talked about what we're doing between the meetings. I think this is a really good possible work item where we could be doing this work in between perhaps a sub group and really, you know, really keep this form of some teeth rather than asking a few instead of retrospective books. So, you know, it's a good opportunity. Thank you. Yes, completely, completely recaptured price. Could you speak up? Yes, I'm thinking of the work of corporates, in how it is to tie into this initiative, so somehow it might be worth speaking to the chairman and see how this is going to be dealt with here and how that might tie in with what they're doing, so it's a seamless route. Yes, and I want just to know about those stakeholder groups as well, that we want to sort of avoid duplication, but if there are overlaps, then that's increasing the diversity of opinion and lived experience and things like that contribute to some of these. So is there anybody who disagrees with us looking at some deliverables and tracking them forward, getting involved, reviewing them and helping them achieve them? Anybody disagree? No, I'm not seeing any online. We're just trying to understand what it is. It's got like rectangles on the screen. We could talk through these. I have another suggestion which is that all four of us, if you would do so, to go through these deliverables, also collect their player and send out the shortness list. Have a look if you would do that and if it would be useful if each person would say whether they would like to go, whether they would like to pull the audience from this again, to go in with each of those on the shortness list and then if there are other deliverables not on the shortness list, that actually we could consider cooperating with. If you could do that by the end of this month, then we could kind of review it together with Councillor Leonardson, sort of dabbling with the C. There is a rather special bit of a ditzy situation for some people. But if you could try and get that done, review the list and then we will circulate what the complete list is and why it would be useful to know whether you would need to take the forum to take forward each one so that we can see which of those most members requested or we wanted to get, we wanted to go and tell them all. So does that sound like a plan? Is that – yeah, OK. Any other points before we move on from the Councillor's plan? No. OK. Thank you very much. Thank you very much and quickly come up on screen shortly. We're going to see if our (inaudible) but they are done, as well as the Gasket Guides. So that's the good news. The Flannegan Hotel manager was planning a launch event and was the end of April. Her work is such that she hasn't been able to bring that together yet, but hopefully there will be some forward launch event in Vain. So I just wanted to show you quickly on our website where this information can be found. So under Visitor Information, we have a Travelling with a Disability section. Not on my own laptop, so forgive me. And then I think this is the area we worked with Charlotte and my team, didn't you Lisa, to make sure that all this information was correct. So it's an introduction to travel to the Warborough if you have a disability and the information that's available to you to help with your planning. So we link directly up to the Accessable website from there. And then you can see the nice page for the Warborough, which then links. Have an intro there. And then as we go down, you will see we have to keep going, keep going and keep going. We have the guides there, ASCET, EATN, Mainhead and Windsor now. So the borough has funded a certain number of guides. The Windsor and EATN guides were funded through the recovery funding for Covid. And then we had UKSEF funding for Mainhead and ASCET guides, which is great. So we are now working with Accessable who have funded a partnership with Visit England to provide a portal for businesses to go on and have their own guides produced at a much lower cost. So we're actively promoting that to our business partners to encourage them to go and get theirs done. And every time a business has a guide produced, then it's added to ours, so it just becomes more and more comprehensive, the more businesses we can encourage to participate in this. So we will continue to push that with our businesses and hopefully get them involved. So we are waiting on up to date stats, but just on the Windsor guide alone, in the year February 23 to February 24, we were seeing 722 users a month actually linking through. And that was mainly being referred via our website onto Accessable. So it is working, people are using it and finding it helpful, which is really good news. As I say, we'll get some up to date stats on usage across all of them as soon as I can. So that's in that period, that was just 109,000 users and just from how 14 and a half thousand page views. So it's really comforting to know that this work is being used. A couple of other things. So, as a result of the work we've done here, Visit England invited us to be part of their Accessible Destinations toolkit as a case study. So, where we've had individual products that have access guides, we now have an Accessable button which goes directly through to their guide. We'll try and think of a good example. So there you can see the purple Accessable button, which if I click on now now, links straight through to their guide on the Accessable website. So we have quite a number of businesses listed on our site which have their own access sites. And I think that's what's driving this traffic, it's the fact that it's so visible, so quick and easy to link through to the access information on the Accessable website, it's really proving to be very helpful for people planning their visits. So, apologies I can't show you the main information, I promise you it's going to be up there in a couple days time. How many businesses were funded? I think it was around 20 were funded in the initial tranche and as I said… [inaudible] No, no, it was a smaller number, 10 funded and there you get the train stations, the public realm, in addition to businesses being assessed and virtually introduced. Tesco has a deal with Accessable as well, so all Tesco stores are listed, and they've obviously done libraries, the town hall, those kinds of important buildings that residents as well as visitors want to access. So yeah, I think we've got quite a nice spread now, and as I say we encourage businesses to have their own process and that will just continue to grow over time. With the recovery fund, we were able to offer disability rent training to various businesses in the mid-20th century. Has that continued for the next 15 years? Yes, so we have licenses, we have 250 licenses for disability essentials alone which we will start promoting now. I have to say it's quite difficult to get businesses to put their staff through, so it does need constant reminder, this is there, they're able to recharge and actually it's a really good course. We've now published our new five-year history on the development plan, and accessibility is a priority throughout that plan. And we will be looking at training for frontline staff as part of the overarching welcome to the Royal Borough. And we're hoping that we'll come up with an online training which businesses will adopt as part of their reductions, but will include the access able e-learning as well. So it'll be about local area knowledge, customer service, but also about disability awareness as well. So if we can capture all of that in one online training course that would be fantastic. I'll see you later. Thank you Lisa and thank you Julia. So I have just been going up and down the website. It does look great and in fact I was talking with colleagues just last week about the importance of for visitors to have as much information available in one place that we can all Google, but you can also get on Google and go off and other things, but to have one website that's so comprehensive is a really big step forward. So just wanted to congratulate you on doing that, Julia. And also thank you for the mentions for people the places and our shop mobility service. I'm very grateful for that as well. So I think it just looks really professional so I'm very impressed. One discussion I had as part of this conversation last week was around the Royal Windsor Horse Show and I could see that there was a mention of it on the website, but I didn't particularly see any links to the horse show. Obviously it's done and dusted for this year now, but I just wondered, were there intentions to generate linkages for one off events like that? Well, we obviously promote the event through our WhatsApp and so we do link through our WhatsApp section. And then we promote it on our social channels. Do you mean the accessibility element of it, Peter? Well, that was the big question. There was a point was made to me last week that if someone wanted to use our equipment, they can book that online. But if they need to book a disabled parking bay, they can book that online but that's a separate site. And then if they need to buy tickets for the horse show, well that's a third site as well. So I just wondered if there was any scope for trying to have, again, one site that people go to and bang, it's all just done automatically. Because there's very few people that want to come to the horse show but don't want to ticket that that would seem nonsensical. And if they've got mobility issues then they probably will need some disabled parking and some assistance around as well through the scooters. So I just wondered if there was any scope for that on your website. Absolutely. I mean, we would assume, obviously wrongly so in this case, that all that information would be clear on the horse show website. So we would just link to their site, and then hopefully the visitor would find anything he needs there. Rather than us having to gather that and make sure it's all accurate and up to date, but certainly something we can look at for next year for sure. And with all of this, if you've got any admissions errors, you know, we want to make sure that it is right. So please speed through anything that you think, any way we can improve what we're currently doing. We just want to keep building from where we are now and making sure that it's a really useful section of the site. Thank you very much. Actually, well look, as we're still here, I'll let you get to quite a bit, with all the main key slides we were discussing about when people had AOP and Julia mentioned that parts of the Wintergatan horse show that were commented today that the train stands were not accessible. Pete, I just wondered whether you could show us anything through which we could suit up like them. Sorry, could you repeat that? The audio quality is quite poor sometimes. I didn't really catch the question. Sorry, so Julia mentioned earlier before the meeting started about comments that have been made about the Winter Horse show about the train stands not being accessible, and I wondered whether people's places had heard anything. Nothing has come to me directly but I can certainly speak to my colleagues who were present on the day or on the days and just see if they've got any feedback at all so I can pass that back to Julia and the forum for sure. Thanks very much. Thank you. Thanks Julia, that's really interesting. I'm just having a look around the website, as we speak. One of my questions was going to be, do you have the features and standards beyond there, or do they just show what's normal, I think it's what's normal, isn't it, which is really good. I'm just wondering, there's some really useful information in here about how we as a borough can improve. For example, the gate is difficult to open, and we've got a momentum of feeding that back into outdoor facilities, galleries, to get those issues fixed. I don't know which one, unless it's, well there is the report it system but I don't know in this case whether that would be the right mechanism. Yeah, you know, effectively giving us a checklist of things we need to do, and it would be great if we could just figure out a sort of an efficient way to get that back into offices. I'll have a think. Yeah. How many restaurants in Melbourne can I find? I'm not sure, I could be certain if you did. Yeah, sure. I'm looking for a restaurant here tonight. Yes, this is what I said at the beginning, the maintenance guards are not currently appearing. Yeah, so this is, this is what's, give it a couple of days. When it goes by, and then I'll circulate. Because I think, my point is always this is fantastic, but there is a sort of a level of percentage of establishments, to reach, to make it really bad. I'm turning, so, when the graphs were, and phoning around, phoning around to find if they had the steps, real things for them. This would solve, but we've got at least 50% of establishments. Absolutely, and sadly the funding will never go so far. Remember the discussion was the people that convinced us to establish a business market? Yes, absolutely. And this new portal that Accessable has launched, makes it much, much easier for them to do it themselves and will afford it. So yes, that's exactly the point we need to get across, but it's, it's worthwhile doing it, business reasons, but actually it's not too over us if we do it by any support. And I won't be answering so many phone calls for the important information we need now. Yeah. And are there any other questions or comments for Julia? I'm not seeing anything, so thank you very much. It's great, it's like all these steps forward, which is really heartening, so thank you. So next on the agenda is me to give a verbal update on parallel... so if there were any audience who know what parallel means to us, it's a set of challenge events and festival around disability inclusion set in events like visa. So this year it's a little bit similar to the law of borough. This is the second place on the 7th of July around the law of the straight path. There are five challenge events ranging from 100 metres to 10 kilometres. There's also a festival village with picnic area of food concessions and a bar right by which you need a brewery. There are activities and entertainment, including a live music stage, arts and crafts, storytelling, sports, active, life-slowing, playing, skills and careers, technology, mobility and community. So there's quite a lot there. There is onsite parking, there are mobility games for hire, there are access to toilets. There is a set of things that can be overlooked, such as tickets can be booked online for the challenge event, for the festival, for the worship night and for the park. So I think that last year, when I built the parallel in Windsor, lots of charities came up first of all, so they were promoted to there. Hopefully, I think given the date to come out and show you a lot more of our schools and groups will say on to this, we'll be able to participate and go along to that. So any questions in the room? No. Any questions online? Not seeing any hands there, so Katherine will move on to a cattle bath ship. So Katherine, if you'd like to give us a bit of a warm up, please. Thank you Lisa. There was a kind of decision made last year to meet the whole sports able building in Wear it Apart to larger cattle and that's generating income to the council over 60-pound cattle. So we attended seven courts, with the former being credited for top-level competition. For those who don't know and aren't invited to know before the decision came through, we also asked them to look at it. Cattle tennis is a variation on tennis. On the smaller courts around in my rules, usually around 20 metres by 10 metres. It's almost a combination between tennis and squash. So like squash, you can play shots off the walls. All the courts will be adapted for the state of Texas, which I think is very important for us to have. Cattle bar, to be inclusive environment for members and visitors. There'll be a bar area for friends to gather, post matches or just individually. There'll be a relaxation space beyond the next to play with indoor and outdoor facilities. It's filled for a bunch of our authors. [Inaudible] We are looking to finish in July. I'll be ready for opening soon. Thanks very much. Were there any questions? [Inaudible] [Inaudible] [Inaudible] [Inaudible] [Inaudible] [Inaudible] [Inaudible] [Inaudible] [Inaudible] [Inaudible] Any other questions on the cattle market? [Inaudible] [Inaudible] So, yes, in our view, we have a policy that lays out what the council's responsibilities are, what our legal responsibilities are, some of the quality acts, our public sector quality duty. The outlines, the principles and the shoulders of the council follow that we use to make sure we're fulfilling these responsibilities in terms of what we do for our [Inaudible] [Inaudible] So this was the last revised in 2018, so I wanted to do a little bit of a refresh. So it's been updated, a draft was included with the agenda pack, so you might have a chance to have a look at it. I'm not going to go through all of it in detail, I've just gone through this slide, but it brings the policy up to date in terms of the development that we've made around our quality impact assessments, also various PHR policies. Other internal developments in council as well. It's been expanded quite a bit from our previous policies, a lot of things of work that really included last time that we now do talk about, things like the role of councillors around grantmaking, care experience, thinking about that as an additional check to taxes, that group of other things like that that we've done internally have updated the policy to reflect that. Also as we've seen, the new council plan, the organisation findings that we have, it's made sure it's aligned with what we've got, those bigger changes. So just to go to the policy itself, so this is a draft, the next steps with it, it's going to go to, it's developed based on the existing policy, and then conversations with officers and also with CL2, the leadership team to look at what needs to be in there. Also at the council levels. Contributed invisible roles and policies champion, and next steps like it's going to take them to our executive leadership team. And also going to categories as well. So making sure that we kind of embed it to get a higher level of feedback. So like I said I won't go through everything, hopefully you've had a chance to have a look, if not you can go on to any of the feedback, send that out, you can send it to me. It just outlines the importance of inequalities, the kind of work that fits in with other pieces of work like the council plan and what the point of having the policy is. And the section about our responsibilities, so the executive policy GT, what we need to do under that. And then how the Council does meet those legal obligations. The sections about service delivery, I realise this is totally fulfilling, check it out, check it out. So it talked about implementation, about having equity in service delivery, goes into more detail about the impact assessments and the importance of those and making sure that we are filling out our policy juices. And then again planning the design, service delivery, digital exclusion and accessibility. As I mentioned there as well. How we work with our partners and making sure that the policy policy is used to communicate with us. The expectations that we have with people who use us as contacts, partners, training, complaints, how we use our program making powers, lots of counsellors. And then the internal appointment side, things like our disability confidence scheme, other groups like the armed forces, who are the armed forces covenants are sponsored through that. Our goals are for the parents, our internal PDI group, so I don't see who should face into that. I know a little section about monitoring, so how to make sure we're adhering with the policy. Again a kind of demographic of questions that we mentioned in terms of consultations in there so that's one of those ways we can help look at the impact of our, how we're engaging people, what's the impact of some of our decisions and then on the internal side as well, so we're trying to be more of an employee interview as well. So, yeah, so that's the policy, yeah, I don't know if there are any questions or if you've had a chance to look at it, any comments or anything in there, like I said if you haven't, but you want to come back with any thoughts about Simon's meeting, I'm very happy to send them all to me. How do you see the form working to kind of assist or hold the cancer to account over its equality objectives? So I think it's in that kind of that wider part of how we engage with the community, but I've talked already about some of the things that we've got to apply about working in the voluntary sector with the residents and up, just really trying to strengthen our engagement and how we use that engagement to, you know, meaningfully inform decisions that we make. So yes, the form doesn't get an explicit mention in there, but we do talk about the importance of consultation, engagement, that's where this group and similar groups fit in in terms of making sure that we've got positive meaningful relationships that kind of work for everybody and that we're able to kind of use the information, use the lived experience of the residents to engage with us through groups like this to inform our understanding of the needs of the community and the impact of the decisions that we make. And do you think it will be useful to have circular lighting, new gender around it, or is that just a bit too formulaic and things will evolve so that time's less difficult to have that balance between kind of getting involved or having updates versus, you know, there's all sorts of things that will be, you know, in the different streams at different rates. Well the policies that won't be changed, that's kind of not particularly, obviously it will be updated on our own. That's it, so it's then goes, and because of the kind of wanted to make sure that the class, for instance, with those deliverable images set out so that we can refresh the quality of the objectives and review those, the next steps, so you now have got that kind of along the list and all the things around the transformation projects is looking at the things that will be set out as well. Yeah, we don't have to say where the bonus should be and then have a similar conversation about how to plan that, or the particular areas we're going to focus on, and are they effective to put the things back into focus. Thank you. I didn't look at your hand. So, thank you. Yeah. So, I would say, not being an item on the agenda, every agenda. I think that's kind of saying okay well this isn't a session for, let's bring it to the forum. But at the same time, if we've got a consultation, which we want the forum to speak back on, it's not saying how well the forum, or the conversation with both of the forum meetings, but it's a shared set, it's an email from the forum. We have this one, so could you look at it and discuss it over email or private email, making sure we don't, we don't answer them by the way our meetings are set up, but we use the meetings to the best of an audience. Yeah, that's really the idea. The emails from the man at the SBO, the third conversation, so one of the best disability inclusion forum, chair of the forum, so it is. We are doing good. Yes. Yeah, we just have a chance to look at policy, then you want to share, and you have a chance, you want to have a look. I'm going to go, again, like I said, this is going to go ERT and canvas, by the end of the month, and music that is, if you've got any comments, you can send them to me, and I can just put that into your feedback, not yet. So what would you leave that, feedback line? As soon as possible, really? So we suggest that if everyone has any comments or questions around that, we can get that this week. This will be perfect, next couple of weeks, if you don't have a chance, that would be great to see. Any other comments or questions around the equality? Please speak. I'm not taking any hands on the line, so we will move to AOB. And actually there was an AOB from the last meeting around the election registration of learning disabilities, so I think Sharon and Vicki and Ellen would like to talk about that afterwards. I don't know if that happened? No, we specifically have a conversation that I just, yeah, I checked on the press on memory, but there was, so when the post ID was first, just to sort out, there was central guidance that came in, which was an easy read version of the guidance, the actual phone's ID, was like a flat, it's in one of the communication series' IDs, that it went, putting things out around. So I'm not sure that it happened to be this final election, I'm not sure if it did happen to be that, obviously there's a general election that's in the guidance that did come out about the federal ID, but that's recirculated again, so we'll see. OK, thank you. Then a new AOB, so on parking and pavements, noted that the No Arrives car park, that dramatically is closed there because the treatment component fell off it and the question about what sort of time scale it was for that to be, you know, evaluated, and hopefully, they'll be open, so I'm not expecting that to go there, but I just thought I would. I think that question there, and also, I know Sharon once raised that the landing development, at the end of Broadway, there were jobs curbs, so you could cross, cross Kings, no not Kings Street, Queens Street, I'm not sure what they were. From all the way to Queens Street, it crossed, yeah, there was two, and there was no jobs curbs, so I went back and pulled the documentation on this particular planning application, and I noted that I hadn't sorted that plan. When I looked at those particular plans, it was evident to see there were jobs curbs in other places around there, but it was missed, and so, you know, I didn't notice that when I submitted some comments around that, but it does make me think, again, how the course happened in 2024, how did we stop that happening, I did, when I was getting involved with planning applications, consistently asked the planning department whether the design and access statements could actually be even while planning to ensure that they did cover disability access. Because the tick box was, there was a design and access statement, I mean, it could be absolutely rubbish, and completely equal disability access, which I often found, I haven't had the time, frankly, to look at many of the kind of more recent large development states that design and access statements. But, again, it looked good today for my colleagues, actually, who have done a climate department, I don't remember that is being kind of interrogated a bit more, to ensure that it's open yesterday, and so on, and so on. So, just very, very quickly, to give you a little bit of awareness, to try to find that two points one will pick the swine, one will pick the drop. So whenever a developer makes a change to the road, the completed words are submitted to the Council for audit information that they have completed, to the standard that was agreed. The review process about development is currently in the red. And one of the transport teams spoke to the developer to confirm that they need an informal drop, or sync with a tactile approach that needs to be provided, and that the developers were giving instructions to make it good. Yes, thank you. Yeah, the one thing that's been brought up, I mean, I think, I'm a controlled dropping, I'm not entirely sure what the informal drops are. I think it's the technical term for informal, I think it's, I think it's the, so I think informal is the form where the informal is, but I don't know exactly how much of that. Absolutely. Thank you. You know, we've done a report out in my, a new video we've pointed out, we attacked the trainings, basically, we've pointed them all out, or whatever. Is it possible for a visitor to actually see the land, or before they go and let them do it? Yes, it's possible. It needs to be clear as well. That's the, the other sort of, sort of carrying on, and we will need for a few days. Yes. Ah, but I can drop my message and I can ask. I mean I'm not suggesting that they should be visible as well, but I'm getting that this is a key location. Has that slipped through the net? Is it possible to put a process in place for future developments? So there are nine key to that. In other words, if it's check with virtually, it should be considered, from the head and disability and equality of access. And what is thought of, but it's obviously not. So in the design of that access statement, the applicant should include disability access in that. So there are times when people either misinterpret or just haven't updated their technical knowledge, so they then treat access as being big, access rather than destitute access, so it's not just the access where people are ready to gain access to and use the space. And as I say, the planning team, they receive the design and access statements, but certainly in the past it was confirmed to be by the then Deputy Head of Planning that they don't need them. The fact that it's arrived wasn't tick-a-box, so my question is around whether planning now is actually going through it. And highways, again, because highways definitely are. There were something like 420 documents with this particular application. And it went through highways as well, and they didn't spot it. So I think my pushback to rescue would be, these are things that you would expect that penalty migrant professionals to oversee and to ensure our correct. So what we did in the future to make sure that those are checked in the process, and so, yeah, I think we just need to do this, that's what people will be planning, and he can take up his regular updates and see, that's probably the best I think. And this application, I think, was the commission in 2018, so it's executed going down, so there was a pretty different or a lot bigger planning team saying that, you know, my obsession with it is for those kind of years, so it may be completely different now and not such an issue, but it would be good to just... I think it's good to know that when we do have these sort of elderly applications that there is a process of issues. Nature will, you know... Yeah, but as I say, I think the need for planning was made aware of this, and then one could completely do that. The last item on Monday, I don't know where I think it's at, is just to let four members know that there is further consultation from a PSPO, which is a Public Space Protection Order, so Public Space Protection Order, and this is around cycling on Layton Head, Roy Street and Hesford Streets in Windsor, and the consultation is rather to allow cycling on those two pedestrianised areas between 5pm and 10am, and it's not allowed between 10am and 5pm, so this is looking at the overnight and early morning past here, so that consultation is open until the 28th of June, so people can submit, it's a very short consultation, people can submit comments individually, or if people don't speak for bad for me, then I can submit time, especially individually, and I can submit also as Chair on that, or as Counselor. Just very quickly, when you mentioned those times, there were a few confused looks in the room and on the screen. The reason that those times are suggested is that those are the times that the vehicles are allowed on those streets, the loading and unloading. So although if it's between 5pm and 10am you're allowed a load to go onto many of the past streets, the PSPO currently is cycling 24/7, so the PSPO, if approved, would bring two in line with each other. So that would give us a rush and a funny bonus about the strange sounds. Do you know how electric pipes are considered? I've seen an email on it, hold on. It's great to know. So, e-bikes is a common term, but for the purpose of the law, there is no such thing as an e-bike. There is an electric assistance pedal cycle, which the traditional pedal bike will motorise assistance from elders at low speeds. These would be cycled around to the license anywhere a push-bike can be seen. Anything that does not meet the criteria of an electric-assisted pedal bike is then considered a moped, which is a motorised thing. So if it is an e-a-c, then it would be coloured by the PSPO. However, if it is more than that, it's considered a moped, which would be allowed, and moped is poor to live even though it would not be taxed in a license. Thank you. Were there any, excuse me, that was a lot of em, thank you very much. So, are there, we've done a couple of things, I thought it would show. Vicky wanted to mention, change your places. Thank you Lisa. So, back in 2021 I was aware that there was government funding for local authorities to be forced to install changing places in their towns or local authorities. So I went up forward to the odd majority in the last year with the RTW at the time, who took that forward. I believe it is retirement police took that application on board and the borough was successful in securing... not exactly, but £40,000 to go towards the changing place being installed. With the links that I have within my role in the West Community Data Development Long-termists, working with people with a value disability and additional physical support needs as well, it is an area which we found to be seriously lacking in this remaining head, and I think if you still look at the changing places website, there's still only formally on their application for Windsor a changing facility that meets the changing places criteria at Windsor Castle, Legoland, and now the Leisure Centre is the third one that has been added to the list. Now, that's great, it's official opening during that disability week, which will be on 30th, 20th of June. It is in place now, I'm not sure what the usages, I'm not sure what the processes are to monitor that usage. I've seen it, this space is great, it's great that we have another facility that is open to the public. I'm sure that the leisure services will be open to people that are visiting the town that aren't utilising those tourist attractions to use it and to be aware that it's there. From my perspective, the people that are visiting the town are community life services who have quite a complex amount of multiple disabilities, the changing bed wasn't as. Like within the remote office, we have some of the needs, which mean additions, or I won't go into huge details. Oh, I'd like to bring it up to a few more elements. But it's great that it's there, and it will meet the needs of many, many people. So we get people to use the leisure services, but also to come to the town as well. There is one that's not on the list which is made in here, which is the Great SYs centre. And that was some of that was installed when the buildings were built, which is a crazy facility that people are using, it's an important leisure spaces itself. So that's on Thursday, the 20th, which is next week, which would be great to promote that to the wider community and to have a good, great resource that is vital for people additionally, to get out of the town, to plan your day without having to think about those things that we take, monitored. I think it's been a long time coming to this changing place. I know I want to go into the program back in May 2023. I'm obviously talking to me saying we were all ready to go into this facility, and it's happy now we'll do for twenty-four. And we're still not formed, so it's been a long time coming. But it's I'm really glad we're able to get it moving and open it next week. Again, like I said, it's one public that you don't have to pay to go into one of our facilities to use it. So I think a conversation about usage and availability within our local facility would be good to have outside and find out the numbers of people that should benefit greatly. And I mean that their day-to-day life would be much improved by the dynamic facility drive away of two of them in the local towns. Yeah, I have spoken with the chief leader about whether there's somewhere that we can get one in the into town centre because the leisure centre is too far outside the town centre. But yeah, people growing up in the town centre are able to afford just around the town centre. I think again, the castle, they've said if people asked, they wouldn't have had access without having to pay. But they said it's unfortunate where the changing places are situated within the castle that is about as far away from the entrance as possible. So to get on, even the number of visitors we get into the activity, it would be great if we could get one there. So yeah, this was more money, more money, then it becomes a bit over. Julie would be keen for us to do that as well. So, do we have any other business? Don? Well, the person is, it's the only forum meeting in recent times where we haven't mentioned part of. I just wanted to point out in the minutes from last week's meeting, we had a presentation about an ambush on the Broadway car park. But that's one of the candidates. The opposite of the benefit of the presentation is that they'll be brought back to the future class so three courses past nine. Hopefully in the next forum meeting they can have that part. So Angela and I have met to discuss kind of really what's going to be done in the long term as we're getting back to the magic talking. And there are deadlines coming up in the next couple of months which will make it clearer about how many of the members of some people are being brought back into the Thames Center. So on that side, that I can't be sure. Certainly on that side which is Yeah. As I said the deadlines coming up on the next forum will have something to report. Yeah. Yeah. Let's just leave that one there in the chat. Yes. Please comment on the meeting. If there are no. Okay. Yeah, sorry. So, I spoke at Main Head Town forum last meeting that they had back in May. I mentioned it was going to be good food expansion here as well. So the last Main Head Town forum meeting we had a presentation by Nick Keating the Autism Group, which was established in 2016, and Becky explained to us how people with autism. There were a few adaptations we needed including structure and predictability for places going. That worked really well with something that we would have been working on for some time, but I checked. So I was recently speaking to a resident who somehow has autism, and she said that you would really like to go to London. I wasn't sure what things were going to be like when we got back. And the location of each genre of book he wasn't sure where that would be, which doors you go in, there are two inches of space, which ones are the best ones to use, how do I check the book, where are the toilets and some other items, which he wanted to clear that. So off the back of that we are developing maps of each of our libraries. So this is on the RWA website, and it would be a really simple easy to view map, just outlining your entries and phonetics, where the toilet is located, where the staircases are and what it is, but also where are some of your different books or genres to you and various locations, and where do you check, and what kind of players do they search, and how well do you decide. So we're looking at that, and we're bringing those in and hopefully they should be online. In the future, we have the website is currently going through some work. So if it's not, it's not business-critical items and we aren't going to get it up as of today, but it's being done to make sure we've got the space to check it and get it out so everything should be done. Thank you very much for being the last one to jump in. I'm not going to settle into that, but I think things like that again are maybe hidden from non-disabled people. We're at 12 o'clock. Does anyone else? That's amazing. If not, I would like to apologise to anybody for the technical issues that we've been having this morning, particularly around audio, for those people joining on Zoom. So, I'm going to do this for the September meeting. And just to remind you that, if you can let me know about the deliverables from the corporate plan, then I will be batting that with some vision afterwards and any comments about the policy at the end of next week or by the end of next week. OK, thank you very much. Enjoy your afternoon. Thank you. Thank you. Cheers. Thank you. [BLANK_AUDIO]