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Thank you so much for taking the time to attend TASA today. One, welcome to those who are attending for the first time at the back. Starting with agenda item one, attendance by reserve members. I've been notified that Councillor Robardia will be reserving for Councillor Mitani and Councillor Brown is reserving for Councillor Hussain. And we've noted the apologies for Councillor Mitani and Councillor Hussain. Is anyone else reserving tonight? No. Item two, if I can please ask members of the panel if they have any interest to declare. Anyone in the public gallery if there are any interest to declare? No. Okay. In terms of rights of members to speak, I've been informed that Councillor Parrik will be presenting a petition and backbenching on agenda items eight and ten. Trust, that's okay with the panel. Now moving on to the minutes of the last meeting held on the 31st of October 2023. Does anybody have any comments? And can I take the minutes as read to be accurate by the panel? Yeah. Can note those minutes. I'll sign them. Yeah. Moving on to public questions. I've been notified of five public questions from residents. I think, no, I think they're here behind you on the screen. So if we can start with Mr David Summers, please. Thank you. Can you hear me just check? Yes, I can. Yes, we can. Thank you, sir. At the time I read the question of the time of submitting this question. I think it is that the Heritage Pinner Cycle Way project is not on the agenda for this evening's meeting. This project, as currently proposed, does not have the support of any traders in Marsh Road Pinner. And also, I should add, for separate reasons, does not have the support of Pinner Synagogue, which occupies the corner site of Marsh Road and Cecil Park. I'm speaking on behalf of Pinner Synagogue. Has this project now been dropped, or when will it reappear in the substantially amended form for re-consultation? Thank you, Mr Summers, for your question. There was a slight delay in the agenda being uploaded online, but the project is featured in the scheme's update report. The project is considered a high priority to enable delivery of the much needed cycling infrastructure in the borough. Whilst not everyone will support all of the proposals, it is important to try and find a balance to address the concerns and still provide measures that can enable those that wish to travel by cycle the opportunity to do so safely. The analysis of the consultation responses and amendments to the proposals have currently been worked on with the decision on next steps due to you to be made shortly. Did you have a supplementary question? Yes, please. The reason for the no support from Pinner Synagogue is quite different to the traders across the road. The proposal will continue the current situation whereby pedestrians and cyclists share the pavement at this corner location. This is now of even more concern to us being Pinner Synagogue. A cyclist now takes shortcuts literally across the front door of the synagogue. Can a special site meeting be set up as a matter of urgency to consider the current situation and the proposal to be put forward for a decision? This is now a very important situation that we find ourselves in, that we would like some urgent resolution to. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Summers. I was actually going to suggest a meeting with the local ward councillors, but I think a site visit will actually also be fine. So I'm happy to help facilitate a site meeting. The consultation results are currently being worked through, so perhaps shortly after that, a once ward councillors and the panel have had an opportunity to go through the results, then arrange a site visit with yourself, other members from the synagogue and any other key stakeholders in the coming weeks. So I think if we can maybe action that a site visit in the coming weeks, please. I can't see who would be liaising with who's going to carry this one forward, because I can't see who you're talking to. I was just speaking to our clerk here, but we'll speak with our officers here to help facilitate a site meeting in due course. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is, Mr. Smith. Evan's is the online? I'm sorry to hear that. I can provide a written response to the question there. Going on to question three. Paul Vichard. Would you like to ask your question? Unmute. I think she's trying. We've got the. Would it help? I can read out the question on your behalf whilst you try to. So Paul Vichard question was the active transport motion states that the council will explore the creation of a cycle route along the station road and sheet cut road. Corridor linking Willstone Town Centre with Northwick Park Hospital. However, this is not mentioned in Harro's draft long term transport strategy. Why is it not mentioned? What progress has been made so far? All the council ensure that developments along the route such as per its corner enable space to be provided for safe cycle lanes. My response to your question, Paul V, the long term transport strategy is a high level policy document setting out the council's vision and objectives for improving transport in the borough that does not include details of specific projects. The transport local implementation plan sets out the projects and deliverables on a three year cycle. However, the cycleways delivery program does not present does not present include the route mentioned along the station road as it does not meet the requirements to be funded. There are currently two routes in design that run parallel to station road along quieter residential streets that we do hope to consult on later this year later this financial year. The development sites along station road corridor will be served by these routes. Any proposals outside of the LIP program will require separate funding. Did you have any supplementary question, a supplementary question to that? Well, she can hear me, she can we can write in again moving on to question for Catherine Semeniden. Okay, well question four we can write to as well. And question five last question is Mr D Pat Pat. Hello, can you hear me? Yes, we can. Hi, good afternoon. I could afternoon to everybody there. The first point I wanted to make before I asked my main question is that this is the first task app we're having this year. It's a bit disappointing that we missed the last task app. I'd like to actually see if we can increase the task meetings from four per year to six, because there are a lot of issues I think that need to be addressed within this borough. But that's just an observation I'd like to I'd like for you to just take note of. My main question today or this evening was about. A motorcyclist that got run over at the top of my road. Between Whitmore Road and Drury Road. So this actually happened on the third of December at 10 past seven. When I when I was on my way to the gym. So, you know, every journey does matter and that was a journey that mattered to me. I wanted to go to the to the gym, but in the end I actually had to stop. Motorcyclists was on the ground in complete pain. A driver cut the corner at Whitmore Road and Drury Road broke this guy's leg femur bone and just left him there for dead. Now, obviously, it is a motoring incident and I accept it's a motoring offense. But when 90% of cars that go up this road do that maneuver day in day out. I can't accept Harrow Council's position by saying, well, it's a motoring offense. We're not going to do anything. Sorry. So, in my view, your role, safety should be quite a big deal. And I, you know, what I really do feel is like, for example, that North Harrow Cyclist that got run over three years ago. It's taken you three years to fix that, which is a long time. Councillor I mean, anyway, what I'd like to see in this particular case, and I've been asking requesting it for some time now, is to fit a pedestrian island in the middle of that road. One, to prevent motorists from cutting the corner. Two, from slowing the cars entering the road. And the third, to give pedestrians actually a safe space so that they can cross the road safely and make their journey safely. Yeah, I don't know what your view on that is, but we do need a pedestrian island fitted there before another accident happens. And don't forget, I came to TarSAP last year. I was here at TarSAP, and I pre-warned you about something was going to happen. This is actually a serious injury. It's not one of these small injuries. He's got a broken femur. I think I've circulated a copy of the X-ray to you all. I actually have a copy of the video of when I arrived on site and the motorcyclist in pain, but I've also got a video of the actual accident, which I've handed to the police. Thank you very much for your question, and thank you for your emails as well. I appreciate that this is a very serious incident. In terms of next steps, the collision at the junction of Drew Road and Whitmore Road is still under investigation by the police. And under protocol, this means that it's not until the investigation is completed. We won't have feedback on in terms of the cause of the incident and other measures by which we can then take action. But I will, as an issue, a matter of priority, make sure that we chase up the police on their investigation so that we can move forward as a panel to decide what we can do next. But at this point in time, apart from chasing up, we will make sure that this is actioned at the earliest. Can I ask my supplementary question to that? Can I just make an observation on that incident? Sorry, I've had to interrupt you. The observation I'd like to make here is, you know, I know the police are actually taking the fender to court. I've spoken to the motorcyclist, and the serious incident prosecution team at Marlar House are taking this to court. So that's where the investigation is at the moment. You know, they knocked on the person's door with a number plate that was given to them, and it was the car that we suspected smashed into them. So that's all good knowing that, you know, you're playing this waiting game. But if somebody gets run over there tomorrow or the day after, and remember, I actually won this panel back last year, something was going to happen. Something's now happened, and we're still in this state of limbo where we're still waiting. You know, North Harrow took three years to fix. At some point, there must be some kind of lessons learned log within TASAP or within Harrow Council. This is a public question. Can I summarise your question that TASAP needs to act faster? Thank you. No, I think I agree with your question and I think as a panel, we do need to act faster. So could we, I know there's a publicity investigation currently underway, but could we, through our avenues, make sure that we can get whatever information we need that we can try to other avenues to address this? Do you want me to respond now? No, after the meeting, but just if it can be noted that the panel to get to do what we can to get the investigation responses as soon as possible. I think that's the last question. I've got my, my mic going. Can I ask? Yes, yes. So, yeah, thanks for getting back to me. You mentioned in your response to the cycle route linking Willstone Town Centre with Northwick Park Hospital. You mentioned in lieu of this two routes along minor roads running parallel to station road. That would serve development sites along this road, but getting back to Northwick Park Hospital and University of Westminster. How do you intend to provide a safe and convenient means of reaching these destinations, both of which require the use of main roads to get to? Thank you for your question. So, it's part of the long-term strategy proposals that are in this panel sessions agenda. There are a number of schemes that are currently under proposal that have gone through extensive research in terms of routes that are safe and routes that are under demand between major destinations. But I will feed that back afterwards to see again if there can be, if there are other options that have been missed between these two locations. Thank you to everyone who's taking the time to ask questions in public, in person and online. Moving on to item number 5, petitions. I've been notified of two petitions by Councillor Parrik and Councillor Stephen Hickman. Councillor Parrik, did you want to present your petition first? Thank you, Chair. Can you hear me? Thank you, Chair. This is the petition from residents of Councillors' revenue. This is not the first time it is coming to class. I'm sure there is one still pending, exactly similar to the petition, but because nothing has been happening, I thought there's another, they want to do another petition. There was a very serious incident about a month ago with the whole car actually turned over on its belly. So, it needs to be taken seriously. So, I'll read it out. We've undersigned our concerned about congestion and speeding on camera's revenue. Speeding has reached breaking point. Parking for residents has become a significant issue, especially due to parents on local school park in this park, indiscriminately blocking driveways and becoming abusive to residents. The problem of speeding has now become a very dangerous and has quite often resulted in an accident. It is not appropriate, no safe for these vehicles to be driven at a high speed on this road. We request Herro Council to address this issue and take appropriate action to relieve the residents of this misery. We're also concerned about high risk of accidents while crossing cameras, even yet the junction with edge-wear road. There are no filtered lights to allow crossing on the road. It is extremely difficult to cross this area and request the council to liaise with Barnet Council to make this crossing safer for the petition. I think this is a work in progress, which can be done faster. I've been trying this for the last five years now. And I find it difficult to cross cameras, even myself, at the junction with edge-wear, imagine an elderly person or parents with buggy and, you know, children. So, there's 77 signatures on this pretty soon. Thank you, Councilor. Thank you, Chair. We'll collect that petition and ensure that it's acknowledged. Councilor Hickman is not here. Do we have his petition? Okay, well, he's not present today to present his petition. Are there any other petitions? Is one at the back? So, are you presenting petition? Oh, it's in the report. That's one. Okay, great. Thank you. Moving on to item six, deputations. I've not been informed of any. No deputations. And now moving on to item seven, information report on petitions. Could I please request the interim head to provide a summary of the report, please, to the panel? Yes, item seven. Yeah. Unfortunately, there's not been numbered. I think we've all been struggling this evening. Is it possible? Yeah. Please, can that be noted for action? Thank you. We might need your mic on. Thank you. My apologies for being late to wonders of Houston station and over ground trains. So, this is the details of our petitions that we've received since the last TASA meeting. And it lists all of the petitions in the table provided table one. Is it customary to run through the table at these meetings? Most panel members have had a chance to go through the report, so just a summary and then we can open it up to questions. Okay, so we have had five petitions listed since October 2023 one for Kenton Lane, a request for pedestrian crossing on Kenton Lane. The second one is Brides Avenue Merlin, request for opposing parking scheme proposals. And number three is 402 to 436 North Oak Road, which is a service road in South Harrow, a request for residential parking. And the fourth one is Harrow Fields Gardens, a request for traffic calming. And the last one is Waverly Industrial Estate Helium Drive. The status of each petition is shown in the final column. I'm happy to go through any of those in detail if anyone wishes to. Thank you. Can I now open it up to the panel if anyone has any questions? Come to the miles. It's not a question, just a comment. Can I thank Mr. Wanna do you know, is it up there coming tonight? I'm talking about 402 to 436 North Oak Road. I think just the site has been referred to the item 10, the annual parking program review, so I'll discuss it further. That item, thanks. Any other further questions? Yes, number two is to the members. All the responses. We haven't got a date for it at the moment, but it will be presented to members in due course. Once we have a date, we can write to all the members of this committee and let them know. Can we not be more specific? No. You're not at this stage, no. We'll have to take it away, speak to the officer that's working on the program and get the response directly to you if that's okay. Thank you. Any other further questions, comments? Moving on to item eight, which is the next information report on progress. If you're able to provide another summary again, that would be helpful. I'm assuming everybody's had a look through it already. I'll just go over some of the key changes or the key outcomes. The first section of the report looks at what we've been doing in 2324 and where we are right now. All schemes that are referred to for construction will be underway if they're not already shortly and are due to be completed by mid-June. I should update on the honeypot lane scheme that when I wrote the report, we were awaiting a decision. That decision has been reached and it reduces the area that we consulted on from the remaining section of 40 mile per hour on honeypot lane. It's reduced down to just the northbound side and that is between Queensbury Circle and Collins Avenue. So it matches what is there on the southbound side. So that will be going to build shortly as well. The 20 mile per hour zones. So Madison Way is about to commence on site. Some work has already taken place, but the bulk of the work will be starting shortly. Pina Park Avenue is awaiting a decision as well. Lucas Avenue, Rainers Lane area and Southfield Park. That also includes other roads that have previously come to us as petition requests, such as Manaway and Priory Way. So they're all in design and we should be moving to consultation shortly on those schemes. So George Fifth Avenue has so named Pina Road and Pina Road Station Road and a third junction is Imperial Drive, the Ridgeway. They are all being taken forward in 24/25 as a combined project, but each junction will be dealt with individually. So it's just to let you know that that is ongoing work, engagement and design will be carried out this year. And if possible, one junction will be taken to implementation, depending on how things go with the engagement and the design process. That's all of 23/24. So some of these schemes you will see feature again in 24/25 because we haven't managed to get to delivery on those. So there is an appendix that shows the schemes that we are going to be dealing within 24/25. So obviously I'll allow you to have a look at that in your own time and see if there's anything that you want to comment on towards the end. The appendix B is the regular cycle training program. This list will increase as the year goes on at the moment. This is just the information we have at present, but more schools will be engaging following the summer holidays and into the new school year in September. The appendix C, the parking management schemes update, there is a separate report on the parking that we can go over what has happened so far and what's going to be happening in the future on parking schemes. A appendix D, the local safety parking program, that's WO lines, junctions, bends and narrowings. That's an ongoing rolling program that has unfortunately stalled over the last year. But I'm pleased to say that it will be picked up again in the coming weeks and we should see some of these roads going out to statutory consultation shortly. So that's it. Does anybody have any questions? Thank you. Just three questions. I just want to know, is there a time frame for that because Marlinson Way and Pinna Park having you later this year, then through your next year, but there's 14 listed. So I imagine it will take quite a long time. It does take a little while to implement, so Marlinson Way is going to construction right now. Pinna Park, if approved, will go to construction as soon as it's approved. The other three schemes that are in design, we will aim to implement them this financial year if it's possible to do so. I would expect at least one of them will make it that far in the process, but as I say, they're still in design at the moment. Thank you. Second question, Chair, that's about the worldwide school healthy streets. I think it was one of the questions that came up earlier. Personally, I'm glad the Council are now committed to expanding school streets, and I understand this financial year. So I'll assume it will be another sixth next year and another sixth year after. So potentially we might have over 20 school streets in a few years' time. Obviously, this has to be supported by the school and local residents as well. But I hope you may progress. And finally, Chair, on Appendix C, I just slightly concerned that some of the schemes listed the actual public consultation was done over a year ago. We still haven't had this statutory consultation at some of the schemes were public consultation was March, April, June, July 23. I'm a bit disquieted that these take over a year before they go forward. Okay, well, we are definitely moving those forward now. They are going to consultation this side of the summer holidays, if it goes well. We have organized a strategic parking program that we'll talk more about later in this meeting. And it should see that that sort of delay doesn't occur again. But apologies that that has happened over the past year, but we are moving forward with the schemes now. Thank you, Chair. Just three items, I think. The first very, very straightforward, just taking up on Pinna Park Avenue at the 20 mile an hour. Do you actually have a sort of date for when the decision will be made, whether that is to go forward or not, because I'm being asked by? Yes, I spoke to the officer that's dealing with it this morning and he's going to try and get the briefing over to the portfolio holder this week. Excellent, and then walk out since we'll receive it there after I assume. Yes, that's right. Okay, thank you for that, and we welcome that initiative. My main question is, I guess, around the two junctions on Pinna Road, the North Harrow Junction Station Road, Pinna Road, as you call it, and the Noah Hill Junction, Georgia Fifth Headstone Lane Pinna Road, which I'm pleased to see are still going ahead as feasibility and design and perhaps implementation of one. But that's exactly what the report this time last year said. So I'm a little disappointed that we haven't managed to move what it seems at all forward in any significant way on these two schemes. So could I ask what the situation is and are we really going to get somewhere this year? Okay, yes, that's fine, thank you. Yes, I know it does seem very slow. Any major junction work, it does take a very long time. So we've been doing background surveys and analysis. There's some more that are about to take place as well at all of the junctions. Then there is a long process that we have to go through with Transport for London, so that has started. So we will see some action and we will then be engaging with stakeholders and the local community to decide what the best way forward is with each junction. So that will definitely be happening this year, like I said, at least on one of the junctions. So, yeah, apologies again that it has taken so long. Do you have any information on which of the junctions it may be possible to do some implementation this year? It would be George V, Headstone Lane, Pillar Road, yes. That's the junction that the consultants have identified as being the priority at the moment just based on the amount of pedestrian activity at that junction. Yes, quite an endorse the amount of pedestrian activity, especially it's about 20 plus three on a weekday afternoon. That's good and obviously local board chancellors will be involved in this process because we do know the situation at this junction and the others. And the third question is something that's not on this report. Do we have any progress on the works, the junction works at the Goodwill junction? Unfortunately, there isn't much progress on that. It's now with our legal department to deal with. So, yeah, I can't really give you any much more information at this stage, but it's not forgotten if there is work happening in the background. I will keep on dealing with transport for London in terms of getting the signals work prepared so that when we are in a position to move, we'll have everything set up ready to take it forward. Thank you. Do you mind if I ask the councilor? It's a sort of understanding the time frames because some of these roads on the Phoenix D. I'm not on the committee. I mean, kept tabs on some of these roads. We sure proved that in some time, middle of last year. Still simply be pending because I've been approved for the statutory consultations. Do we have any idea when these roads or any batches of roads are going to be going to consultations? Well, the localised safety park. Yes, I have a few specific roads in mind, but if the general overview on that. Yes, it will be this summer that the first batch of roads will be going to statute consultation. Yeah, so all of them are some of them? Some of them, yeah, it would be quite difficult to get all of those processed in one go. Then we will split it. So just understanding the scoring slightly. So, does the scoring drive what's likely to be picked earlier than the others? Because I'm not very sure about the scoring. Can you explain, please? It would be preferable to do it in priority order. So those roads that are scored the highest, they're the ones that are dealt with first, unless there's any specific reason why we need to take something forward. There is also a separate list of locations that we've received from the council's waste team as well, where they're having difficulty accessing some properties. We will need to add them into the whole programme that we take forward for consultation. So does that then input also impact on the scores here to say it wasn't considered before? For example, number 20, because I'm aware of problems there, and sometimes we mention that the vehicle's content. So will the scoring go up because of that feedback from the waste team? If a road is already on here and it's on the waste team's programme, then we'll have a look at it. But I think it's just a case of that we will take forward, say, ten locations at once. It's a lot for us to process in one go. And if you consider that we will get feedback from all of those locations, if we try to do too many at once, it will just delay the implementation. So it's possible that, yes, if the waste team have also commented on the same location, we may be able to move up the priority list. So we'll have a look and match the two lists. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your patience. Chair, thank you. A few questions, if I may. Her views are crossing, and if I could also mention the old church lanes are crossing. So it was back in July 2023, the officers agreed to investigate making these into tiger crossings so that cyclists could be safer as well as pedestrians. So that was quite a long time ago. Why has that not been included? [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] Because there were bus stops proposed as well in that location. So we did investigate, but unfortunately it hasn't been possible to accommodate that request. Sorry, thank you, Chair. All right, moving on to Burrowide School Healthy Streets, which we've covered a little bit already. It's very welcome, the program of 18 school streets. Thank you very much. As the cycle training program hasn't resulted in more children cycling to school because understandably parents are very worried about the traffic danger. What is going to happen with regard to the roads around the schools to make it safe for children to cycle to school? I'm not sure I completely understand in relation to the school streets, but the road will be closed to traffic. Okay, so I'm assuming that the idea is that if you close the road to traffic, you're trying to encourage children and their parents to travel actively to school rather than drive. And therefore, if they live further than the immediate surrounds of the school, they will need to be able to cycle safely or walk safely. So it needs to be of a piece, just making a school street doesn't make children cycle to school. It needs to be safe to cycle to school from the surrounding area, from the catchment of the school. So is it going to be a combined effort? This program of work is exclusively the school street proposal at this stage. It's not that we wouldn't look at cycling routes to and from the school, but we have to consider that children could be travelling from various directions that it wouldn't be possible to cater for every direction that people may be coming from. But hopefully, with the expansion of the cycle ways network development program, that we will be reaching many more people so that they can choose to cycle to school safely. Thank you. And related, but not the same question, the Pinaharo cycle way includes stretches which are very crowded with motor traffic at school times. And so will you be pushing up the priority list, Redford School and Cecil Parks and John Fisher in Melrose and Kingley, Kingsley Roads and also born at school with Blenham Road and the Gardens because they are the ones that suffer from traffic. And therefore, if you're going to put a cycle way in there, it needs to be clear at school run times. I don't have the list of the school streets available at this meeting. By the time we get to the July Tarsack meeting, we should be able to share the list of streets that are expected to be affected. So then you'll have more knowledge on which schools will be included and whether they are part of the cycle route as well. We have to undertake engagement with the Ward Council as before we start anything else on the school streets program. So once that is done, we'll be able to give you more information on the specific schools. Does that help for now? Yeah, well, I'm hoping you have taken my point on the board, but it's a good idea to push them up the list because it would make the cycle way work a lot better and we'll get more people cycling. Yeah, that is noted. Thank you. Moving on, if I may chat to the Harrow Cycle Network, which is obviously my main interest. So is the principal governing the choice of cycle routes that they take cyclists where they want to go as quickly, safely, and comfortably as possible? The idea behind the cycle road network development program is to enable more people to choose to cycle so that more people are within easy reach of a cycle route. So the routes are going from a point to another destination that is likely to be desired, but we're not expecting everybody to follow the entire route from start to finish. So we're trying to make it easier for as many people as possible to choose to perhaps cycle short distances, so say from a residential area to a shopping area. So it may not be the quickest route, but it may be the more attractive route to somebody who doesn't cycle frequently. Thank you, Chair. And how many more cycling journeys do you plan to achieve and how many fewer car journeys as a result of building the cycle network? I believe I have answered that question previously and it's not something that is based on the number that we're just trying to enable people to make that choice to choose cycling as an option. If I may comment then, Chair, I'm not sure how we can measure effectiveness in terms of KPIs, I would have thought that we want to know whether a route has worked by how many people have cycled along it. And so, yeah, it would seem to me that it would be good to have a target to know a before and then after otherwise. When people, for example, raise objections to cycle routes, you can say, oh yes, but 10,000 people cycled along it. And if you don't make those measures, how do you justify it? Thank you. I think we've addressed that point a few times that passed our subs as well, which is very difficult to measure. And I think we're still very important to have KPIs, but based on maybe other, you know, KPIs based on from TFL and so on to make sure that we know that cycle routes are effective. Can I ask if they're in? Yeah, okay. Thank you, Chair. Well, I look forward to hearing how TFL measure the KPIs that be really helpful. Thank you. So if routes have been selected in line with TFL strategic cycling analysis, where in the SCA priority does Station Road and Sheepcoat Road sit? According to the SCA, the two highest potential routes in Harrow are Harrowview, Courtney Avenue and Sheepcoat Road and Station Road between the Northwick Park campus and Wheelstone. So why does the current list of routes not include these? I've seen something about they do not meet requirements to be funded. So which requirements do they not meet? And how do you plan to change this in order to implement the Council's motion of September last year? And that's my question. Thank you, Chair. I think the question would be better directed to TFL officers to explain where they've chosen the schemes that they have chosen to fund, but that's the information that we've been given. I did answer the question, well, I think the chair answered the question on the active travel motion already in the public questions. Sorry, Chair, I was following up on the one about does not meet the requirements. We don't know what requirements it does not meet. This is what I'm requesting information on. TFL would have to answer that question. You can look at the strategic cycling analysis information on their website. Reaching a bit of an impasse there. So a question on the Panohara cycle nature. It's good to see an answer to the question for the officers considered the current plans to conform to L.T. and 120 local transport note 120. So if there are places such as one road with an excess of motor traffic preventing safe cycling, will you consider reducing that traffic to a level commensurate with the provisions of L.T. and 120, which is under 2,000 vehicles per day? The aim of the cycle route is to encourage people to cycle predominantly whether it reduces traffic as part of the process we get to see, but the design does enable people to travel by cycle much more safely and easier than they currently can. Thank you, Chair. That's very helpful. I'm glad it will encourage people to cycle because at the moment when I cycle up one road in the direction of the town centre, I am often beset by cars behind me to hooting and putting cyclists under pressure and otherwise making them feel uncomfortable. And I can't see that encouraging nervous people to cycle. So I do hope that that will be reviewed and measured and monitored so that people do feel comfortable cycling on one road. So just moving on to the specific schemes that have been mentioned, the active transport motion of September 2023 asked officers to work with Herrocyclists and HerroCycle Hub on the development of new projects. Why has design work begun on these schemes before officers have worked with those bodies? We haven't started work on any design work on the route mentioned. So the route that we've talked about as part of the cycle network development, they're still in the beginning stages. So once we've got to a stage that we're able to share plans with stakeholders, you will be included. We look forward to that. Looking at the North Park to Rainers Lane mentioned in the report, since we're working to a linked up network, why does this not extend along Imperial Drive to North Herro to link with the Pinahara cycleway? The long-term plan is that it will. It was split into two phases and if we can deliver it as one, then we will go on the way to North Herro with the scheme. Thank you, Chair. And finally, on this report, the answer to question three mentions the two parallel routes to station road along quiet residential streets bearing in mind that obviously there are some people who want to poodle on and enjoy themselves cycling longer. Have you measured how much further cyclists will need to pedal to take these routes as opposed to the direct routes along station road and sheepcoat road? And as there are many twists and turns and stopping at junctions, have you worked out how much longer in time it will take a cyclist on the indirect route than along the direct route? And are you looking to make cyclists work harder than inactive travellers? I think as I previously explained that the idea behind the routes is just to enable people to make the choice to travel by cycle if they wish. Those that wish to travel along station road still can, but at the moment, the route is using the quiet back streets. So it appeals to those people who currently don't use the cycle at all and it enables people to cycle in the residential areas rather than on the busy main road. So I don't have the precise measurements, but we can take those measurements, but the idea isn't necessarily to make their journey longer, it's to offer them the choice to cycle should they wish to. Thank you, Jira, a comment on that. A lot of people have a reason to cycle to get from A to B and asking them to go around VRC seems to be counterproductive that if people, for example, want to visit a hospital from Willstone, they will probably want to go by the most direct route, especially if they're sick and encouraging them to cycle for longer doesn't seem to be a very good way to encourage them to cycle at all. And if we had a safe route, I'm not talking about the unsafe current route, but a safe route down station road and sheep cut road, then people would be encouraged to cycle to the hospital and the University of Westminster campus, which is currently only available by a very security route and in some places a dangerous route. Thank you. Do you have any further comments or questions from the panel? Thank you. Can I take that report? I've got a couple of items on this on this. Oh, yes, sorry. Thank you, Chair. The first of all, it's about my interest in improving the junction. But whether I should declare my interest, I'm actually now Governor of Campus Primary School, and I found out that they were never considered about what's happening outside the school. So, do you not consider the school when you change the junction or the road to the road and send them its joy? They were never even informed that what's going to happen. They only knew when it started, actually. Okay. I don't have the details of who was going. But I can find out and let you know if they were sent any communications. Secondly, there was concern about, I think the work has already been, may have already happened. It was happening a couple of weeks ago when I was there. But he says, narrowing of the junction, I said there was joy. I did question at the time when I was consulted and the schools, they're worried about narrowing down the junction. I know it makes easier for children to cross the road, but there's a lot of traffic around that area. And if it is done, we only know by experience what's going to happen. But there was a concern raised by the school that we're narrowing the entrance to the center of its joy when expanding the footpath. But it may have some consequences, basically, on that particular light. Okay. Well, I guess what we are considering is that it will improve safety at the junction, and that's a priority. So it may mean that maybe vehicles will have to park elsewhere, which is probably a good thing considering it's at a junction. The turning maneuvers that are currently taking place within the mouth of the junction, they will cease. So I think that the benefits of narrowing that junction far outweigh any of the issues that may be mentioned in relation to keeping it wider. One of the concerns raised towards the children are coming by school bus. Now we'll have to be dropped down further down, away from the school. On the main mall and presenters are then coming inside the bus. It may not be able to come easily inside to drop the children are coming by bus. Oh look, we've tracked it, so the coach can make the turn. That was a concern raised basically, but we'll only know by experience what's actual reality. We've undertaken the tracking exercise, and we're confident that the refuge law, you can still get into the road easily, and the coach can also get in and out of the road. But if you can make sure in the future, at least the school were actually outside, they actually informed you in advance what's going on. It's done now, so nothing can change. Yep. Another point I have is on appendix C. Again, like consider minds expressed concern about the informal consultation is what it happened last year on. Summit closed Penieland place and Malin present. It was done I think about eight, nine months ago probably, but I've not heard anything about what was the outcome of the consultation. So it's taken quite a long time to get to know what's happened really in the consultation. Okay, you should be receiving some information shortly on those schemes. Okay. The initial analysis has been completed. Okay. So we'll be in touch soon. And one more point I was requested by residents of Chelsea Close to her double airlines because a lot of people, the parents who take the children to the stagnant school, they come and block the whole junction by parking all over the place on Chelsea Close to such a narrow road. And then first of the road is quite narrow, so it literally blocks everybody. If you can look at that, please. Yes, yeah, we can definitely take that one. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. If there are no further questions, can I please take this report as noted. Moving on to item nine, which is the information report on road fatalities. Could I please invite officers to present the report? Thank you, Chair. This is our report that outlines details of road fatalities that have occurred in the borough over the last 18 months. There are five locations that have been highlighted. The first being in a road station road junction, North Harrow. On the 21st of August, a male cyclist was involved in a collision with an SUV and unfortunately passed away. We met with the police and had a look at it and it was identified in March 23 that there were no highway factors as a contributory factor to the accident. The current status is that consultants are currently looking at options to improve the junction and facilitate the proposed cycle route through North Harrow. This will take some time as this is part of a wider project looking at three signalized junctions in the local area. The second location is Mollison Avenue in Hwear. An incident occurred with a car on car collision on the 20th of March 2022. An elderly female in a vehicle unfortunately was hit by a speeding vehicle. Initially she was reported to have had severe injuries but later passed away. The officers have undertaken a speed survey and the police have confirmed that speed was a factor in the collision. Therefore a public consultation on proposals for a 20 mile per hour zone concluded in September with the majority of respondents being in favor of the scheme with full with sinusoidal humps. Implementation is subject to the portfolio holder decision following the conclusion of the statutory consultation. And the 20 mile per hour zone is due to commence shortly as the latest update on that one. The third location is Uxbridge Road Waxwell Lane Junction in Pena. An incident occurred on the 30th of July 2022 involving a car and an elderly male pedestrian. The pedestrian was attended to on site by emergency services but sadly passed away. Officers met with the leader on site to discuss the possible factors that led to the incident if possible recommend solutions. The current status is that following TFL feedback has been decided to continue investigations to look at options to improve safety at this junction. In the interim of pedestrian refuge island is to be shortly replaced is to shortly replace the existing traffic island in Uxbridge Road to the east of Blaethwood Road on Waxwell Lane. And the fourth location is George V Avenue Headstone an incident occurred on the Friday 14th of April 2023 involving an elderly pedestrian. So it's just as an elderly person in a car the pedestrian was seriously injured but has sadly passed away since then. The police attended site soon afterwards and again it's been assessed that speed was a factor in this particular accident. The current status is that the investigation showed that it would not be possible to provide an informal crossing point at this location due to level changes which required removal of several trees or reduction in speed limit as numbers crossing at this location were low revised scheme of increased road markings and signs will be introduced. The police investigation has not concluded at this time so it's ongoing. And the final location is College Hill Road, Kenton Lane Mountside in Belmont Stroke Harrow and Wielstone, North. The incident occurred on Friday 15th of September 23 involving a 25 year old female cyclist in a car. The cyclist was travelling along College Hill Road eastbound and entered the roundabout at the junction with Kenton Lane when a car that was travelling southbound on Kenton Lane entered the roundabout and collided with the cyclist. A site visit was undertaken by the police on the 20th of September and a number of recommendations were made that are listed in the report. Road markings have been refreshed, bollards are due to be replaced, a white line has been marked around the roundabout to that emphasis. Advanced warning signs have been installed, waiting restrictions have been introduced and trees have been cut back. A telephone box relocation is not within our control, which was requested. Carriage while recursing is based on the condition of the carriage wave and should Mountside breach the threshold for intervention, it will be scheduled for remedial work. Speed surveys have been carried out on the 85th percentile speed, that's the speed at which 85% of the traffic is travelling at, did not exceed the posted speed limit of 30 miles per hour. The police investigation has not yet concluded, at this time no further action will be taken, but will be reviewed when more information about the incident and the collision is available. So, happy to take any questions on that. Thank you, could I start with questions? I'll be around Councilor Tyre. There is a large must-be built. It's really a completion period. Naturally, you'll expect the pair's number to increase. So proactively I'm saying is the consultation should consider that. Rather than later on saying that, okay, now it's too much change everything. That's going to cause even more. If you make room for it and do some estimates, it would be much better to focus. Okay, so you're saying that you'd like us to take into consideration the additional pedestrians associated with that new building in the scheme designed for that junction? Yes, yes we can do that. No problem doing that. Thank you. Councillor Blacken, will you? Following on from what Councillor Miles said earlier on, the implementation of a 20-mile-an-hour zone for Mollison Way, you say is due to commence shortly, but do we have more specific time frame on that? Some of the work has been done already, and I will be able to give you dates later this week if that would be helpful, because the initial program is given to us today, but we've had to ask contractors to revise it slightly, so when I've got the agreed dates, I wish I would. It's just that this is a priority, and first on the list, and it's been dragging for a little while, and we've had subsequent injuries. Yes, yes, we are aware the scheme has to be finished by mid-June, so we appreciate it. It's going to start within the next few weeks. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Thank you, Chair. So, in terms of this fatalities report, so obviously it's never a nice thing to be discussing this, and yes, it is useful to see that some work has been done in a recommendation. My question was, similarly, what's not captured here, and whether this comes to touch up, Chair, is actual, you know, other incidents where there's no fatalities. I've had two in my world recently, one was nearest school, and I've forwarded a lot of information and suggestions as well, which never came back. So, and another one was just on one of the larger roads in Kenton West, so it's just trying to understand where we kind of then triangulate all this kind of information in terms of feeling that this is useful that you focus on a specific incident where there's a fatality, is any process where we actually also undertake review of, you know, where incidents happen all the time, similar to this? Yes, what we would do is look at the borough as a whole each year, and look at the fatal collisions, and the serious ones as a priority, and look for any clusters of accidents. So, it would be where you see several incidents happen in the same place, and then we would work out a program for dealing with those. So, that will take place this year with a view to making plans for the next cycle. It works for the next three years, but we would review it anyway. Okay, thank you, that's useful to know. Would there be any more or better priority given to areas near schools, because it is becoming common problem makers of various reasons, congestion, and people just trying to rush through traffic at big times during school hours? Yes, locations near schools are always given high priority. So, we use a scoring process to prioritize requests for most things, so whether it would be for traffic calming or for waiting restrictions. And locations where there's a school involved, they always get a slightly higher priority than locations where there isn't a school. Thank you, thank you. Thank you, John. Thank you very much, Chair. I'd like to ask a question about the fatality of the Uxbridge Road, Waxwell Lane Junction. And in previous reports, Tarsap, there's been consultation mentioned. Why has there been no consultation with any stakeholders, not even the ward counselors are aware we are pestering counselor, Kooha, and he is not coming up with the answer. Why no consultation, which you said in previous reports, Tarsap, that's a matter of record. In fact, I seem to remember Laura also including you on an email, that of that effect. We will consult when there is a scheme to consult on that present there isn't. As it mentions in the report update, we are going to have to look into this further. We have been liaising with counselors, we've been liaising with the leader of the counselor as well, and he instructed us to go to TFL with the initial outcome of our investigations and seek their feedback. And their feedback was they weren't very supportive of the proposal for a signalised junction at that location. So it was agreed that we would have a look at the potential impact if we were to restrict some maneuvers at that junction or elsewhere in the vicinity, because if we do something at that junction, it's likely to impact on the pain's lane junction as well, which you're also aware of, there's an existing problem there. So we wanted to do a review that looked at the wider area, because we also don't want to cause additional traffic to be driving on the quieter background, such as evening drive. So we've got to do some more work there. Well, that's very positive, because the first report which you commissioned was very big and very glossy, and done by someone who had no knowledge of peanut. And their recommendation, I believe, was that people should turn a right out of pain's lane, which is a problem area. And it's also very encouraging that you're looking at things in the round. Previously, you said, Oh no, the funding is only for that junction. And we'd been banging on and saying, You need to look at it in the round. So it's most encouraging that you're going to do that. The Pinner Association has requested Councillor Osborne as leaders of the Council to come along and answer some questions, so it would be very good if he was aware of what the TASAP meeting has said. So thank you very much indeed. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Any other further questions? Can I just stress on this report, and I think it's been raised by residents and by other panel members, just to share importance of this report and the need for urgency. And I know there's a lot of pressure on officers and the work we do on schemes, but if we can please prioritise all of the schemes from this fatality report, because I am very conscious that they've been pending for quite some time. And I know there's police investigations involved in various other schemes, but the pace at which is working is very slow. And there are lives involved, unfortunately, lives lost and we want to make sure that this doesn't happen again. Moving on to item 10, the Annual Parking Program, if I can please request officers to present this report, please. Thank you, Chair. This is a report where we provide information about the identification, prioritisation, development, implementation of parking management schemes in Harrow. It informs members about request for parking schemes received and recommends a program of work for the coming year 24, 25 and beyond. I think there's an error in there saying 23, 24 in the report. So the report centres around the main appendices, which outline in Appendix A the worldwide map of control parking zone schemes. Appendix B, the proposed parking management program to 24, 25. Appendix C, the priority list of parking issues. D, the control parking scheme, scheme development process, the processes we use to develop the schemes once we're made aware of an issue. Maps of areas to be considered on the priority list is Appendix E and the times of operation of our CPZs on Appendix F. And the new appendix added to this report because it's an annual report that gets presented to TASAP is the new Strategic Control Parking Zones Consultation Rollout Program, which we're hoping to report to July Cabinet this year to progress some schemes being identified. I hope you've all had a chance to read the report, but it covers the schemes that we have currently, the schemes that we're proposing and the reasons behind that with the information you need to be able to give us your feedback in the appendices. I'm happy to take any questions on this, or if you like any more information on Appendix E, we can go into more detail on that. I think it'll be useful to go through questions first if we... Yeah, if we go around. Whether you're considered motorcycle parking here, the biggest complaint I'll get now is that the delivery drivers are parking really, really everywhere. Motorist can't park it. So how do they regularize them? Very nice lane, couple of them never show me. They park it there in two different ways and go to sleep, they live above. And there's nothing you can do about it. So the traders are saying, can you just allocate one space, only motorcyclists and get the rest of it. I think when they have the same problem, they sold it somewhere that they have. But can you please look into it? Yeah, that's something that we can take on board. We do provide motorcycle parking in some places. It's usually town centres that we provide it. I think, have you sent this question in writing to us previously? Yeah, I think it's something that I can assign to an officer to look into for railers lane in particular. Another way of dealing with that issue is to require motorcyclists to also purchase their parking time. So they will be able to do that going forward. It's something that needs to be promoted to motorcyclists that they can do that because they can use the pay by phone system. Previously, they were able to park without having to display tickets because it would have been difficult to display a ticket on the motorcycle. But now that we have this sort of e-ticket facility, it means that they can pay for their parking as well. So any motorcycle that's parked in a bay without the relevant ticket to park there can receive a PCM. So that isn't currently happening, but I understand that is planned to happen in the future. There's some work that needs to be done to enable it to occur, but it is something that is planned for the future. Yeah, it is, can you say it's a difficult problem? Again, nothing had a counsellor has made some arrangements with the owners of the takeaway. So they've disciplined the drivers, but how far is that enforceable? Are the drivers listening to the owners or the owners are enforcing it? And what action we can take about it, who's going to observe that? There's lots of questions about it. In theory, it looks nice. But in fact this is a different kit, put them, get the fish. So we need to look at that. I don't know if the cameras can look at the ticket and they're issuing tickets. I don't know, they're cyclists and say there's no ticket. But are the cameras capable of taking a photograph? No, you're not allowed to enforce that. Not in the double-year alone still not allowed to, but otherwise you'll get it. Not in paid for parking spaces, you can't. No. All right. Any other questions from this side? Yeah. Theization of operational hours. It's common sense thinking. Thank you for that. Anything else? Yes. Oh, is there someone before me? I think my question is sort of trying to understand the appendix. Because on appendix A firstly, there is a map, but I can't say for sure what roads are listed. So what's appendix A exactly kind of because lots of detail, which I can't see in any position. So appendix A shows a map of all the existing control parking zones. That information is also available on the hub maps. It's also available on the council website as well if you want to have a look at any location in particular. We can probably send you a clear plan if that might help. Sure. That might help. I asked that question in relation to the fact that because we're looking at the introduction and the options or recommendations. Just want to make sure that we're kind of making note of the correct agenda items. And similarly, D and E in terms of the report. Just one on this time. Are this the current timings already in existence and they're recommended for new schemes that you should follow this or how does it work generally. Sorry. So I meant F's got the timings, right? Which referring to so does it follow that if you have the existing timings in a ward. That's what you'd apply to newer schemes. Not necessarily because it depends on how the area is currently being used in terms of parking requirements. So the hours and days may need changing. The list only shows the current hours and days for the existing CPs I believe. But as part of the new strategic approach, we will be looking at information we've received from local people. And also from surveys that we've carried out that will tell us what the parking stress in any given area is through what's called parking beat surveys. It's a foot patrol survey that notes the registration part registration number of vehicles. And then we can assess how long they've been parked in a given area. We can also assess how many vehicles are parked in a given area so we can assess what capacity has been taken up. And by using that we can then propose hours and days of operation that are suitable for that location. So a bespoke solution to the local people and the users of that area is what we're planning for the future. But I think this is just a list of the current hours and days of control within existing CPs. So that's definitely helpful. Thank you. Just as a follow-up, so when you make your recommendations, I can now see where it's informed from the various pieces of data. It's very useful. The only concern is when looking back at previous consultations now because that gets fixed from your information. So where is the scope for residents coming back to you to say, although you've given us the feedback from your expert advice and observations, would they then be allowed to say, We here, we make a different recommendation based on our understanding because we leave on this road? So do you consider that or how does that fuse in with your observations? That's really important. I think we have to listen to residents' views and feedback. And every consultation that we send out will have a section for comments where we can get that kind of information from individuals, giving us that detailed information that we may think we have but may not have. So, yes, there will be that possibility. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Thanks, Chair. Can I just raise two points? First thing, I don't want to sound pedantic at all. But on Appendix B, the prize news scheme is 0.425. It lists Stanmore College area. So if you look at Appendix C, it says, Science 1, 3, and 4, which doesn't include Stanmore College. So, it's not all that bother personally, but it's Stanmore College's part of it or not. But on Appendix C, it says Science 1, 3, and 4, and Stanmore College is part of it. So, Appendix C is a priority list of borough parking issues. It's where we've been notified of issues. It's on top of the areas that we're aware of for other reasons. I mean, Stanmore College has come to us through requests for interventions because of the development of the college area. Yeah, I'll just make it a point. But it's on Appendix B under the news schemes, but according to Appendix C, it's not covered. It says, Science 1, 3, and 4, and Stanmore College is number 4. I've understood the question, but I'm not sure I've got the answer for you. It's just an area. It could be an area. Could I take that away and come back to you? Yeah, I mean, it's all amazing. Thank you. The morning point of the line for me is, I think, 4, 0, 2, 4, 3, and Northside Road is number 6. Either way, it's not part of it. But I was wondering if I can use N-SIL money for that, because quite a few roads. I think, for example, a rational road on this, another item on this has been divided through N-SIL money. And I've noticed quite a few traffic schemes have been approved through N-SIL. So would it be appropriate to use that for Northside Road? Possibly. I think the issue is that we don't really want to start consulting in areas where there isn't established knowledge or information that there is parking pressure. And we don't really want to be wasting N-SIL money if that evidence isn't first available. So if there is evidence that's submitted as part of the N-SIL application, then we'd be happy to look at it. Yeah, because, yes, Mrs. Ah, whether Stanmore College is in it or not. That's number 5, and Northside Road is next number 6. So I think it is a demand for residents. It's quite a high up on the list. So... Yep. I'm so happy to look at it. I'm so obsessed with it. What would be best if I contact you or go somewhere else? I don't know if you could contact us, but I think we've noted the question down. We can come back to you. Council Member. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Yeah. Appendix C, firstly, very quickly, I see that headstone north wall still exists in the area of traffic management on a number of occasions within Appendix C. Perhaps we could bring it slightly up to date. But really, what I wanted to say was I'm very pleased to see the goodwill. I always have to say goodwill junction at least twice in any toss-up meeting. And this is the second time that we've now reached priority one, and it looks as though some consideration will go ahead this year. And we have been raising, and residents have been raising parking issues for at least 5 to 6 years here since the persimium development on the old... codec sports zoom leisure site started to be occupied. And that has, as we've discussed before here, worsened as the developments to the east of Harrowview on the codec factory site have come into occupation. And this is getting, has been getting more problematic for residents in this area. So I'm very pleased to see that this is now number one priority subject to funding will go ahead in some form this year. And I'm very pleased to see also that you widen the scope of it because I think when you look at the number of units that are shooting up on the codec site as we drive past it, we see it quite obviously. That the impact is not just going to be on the Victor Road, Edward Road, Sydney Road, but also further south down into Drive and Brook Drive and so forth down and on the east in Harley. The only suggestion I thought I might have is looking at the map. When you look at it, the Walton Road and Walton Drive, which geographically a sort of part of the Harley Road, Harley Crescent area given that Harley Road goes into them and it is a route to bypass the traffic lights, whether and they will be subject to the same over parking stress from the developing in codec, I'm sure, whether that might sensibly be included in this scheme. I don't want to change this late stage if it makes difficulties, but just looking at it just seemed to me that it might sensibly be being included. But otherwise, I'd be very happy to be involved as you get more details as one of the World Councils, and I'm sure my colleagues in Marba again will want to be involved because this is so very important for all the residents in those streets that are adjacent to the developments on codec and codec sports. So thank you for this. Do you want me to just give you a quick answer on some of that? Okay. So I think part of the more strategic approach is to look at those roads where there are existing CP saids at the same time as we're looking at areas for new CP said, because what we don't want to do is have a zone that has much longer hours that then people go from that area to parking area that already has a control parking zone. So it would make sense for us to at least have a look at what's happening in Water and Drive at the same time. We will obviously involve World Councilors as we go through the process as well. So hopefully that addresses those concerns. Is that everything you need to know? No, I think so. I mean, so in the in the this January meeting of toss up next year, we will hopefully have seen some progress. We aim to have made some progress for sure. Any other questions, John? Thank you so much. My question is really about the standardization of times in parking zones in parking zones. I've been going on about this over a period and maybe Mr Mazar, I could ask you what you think the reason for having a CP said is why do we have them? The priority scheme is for residents primarily to give preferential parking to residents. In some ways, they call them residents parking areas rather than parking management schemes, because residents very often come to their street with a vehicle. They're driven and they can't find a space at certain times of the day or certain times of the evening. So it's about giving priority to residents primarily, but it's also a tool for managing parking demand in areas where there are commercial areas, shopping areas, et cetera, where there's a greater demand for parking. And there needs to be a way of ensuring that everyone gets an opportunity to park where they need to park to be able to do their shopping, visit friends, family, et cetera. So there are different tools that we can use within a residence parking scheme or a parking management scheme to deal with all of the various demands. Well, thank you very much for that. I quite agree with you. So why is it then that in Metro and Road, which is in near flash musicals, you have very restrictive parking. I think it's from eight o'clock in the morning or maybe eight. Yes. Yes. So what is the reason for that? I know why it went in because there was a consultation and a hundred people were consulted. Ten people replied and of those ten people who replied, seven said, yes, we want this. So you have a real problem there because this is actually destroying the fabric of life. There's another situation as well. I don't know if you will know about Westfield Park in Hatch End. Westfield Park in Hatch End is very near to Hatch End Station. And there was consultation. Do you want to see PZ? Do you want one in the morning, one in the afternoon, and do you want it on Saturdays? And again, no one replied apart from the people who were very much in favour of it. So you have the case of the parish churches and dansals where the parking restrictions have totally changed the way they raised revenue with their play groups. And in the initial stages, as ward counsellors, I used to be a ward counsellor in Hatch End, but I gave it up because I was having too much fun. We had to intercede with the parking people because you were slapping a ticket on the hearse. So, and then we move on to Byron Road, which is just around the corner there. I thought that the idea of parking was to standardize things for residents, but you're also meant to help businesses, aren't you? So I, for reasons best known to myself, go to a garage in Byron Road, and forever you get the, oh, you can't park there because the parking man is going to come around. So, where can I park? Well, you can't park, and this is not helping their business. And I just hope that when you come to this world, this review, you will actually take these things into account. The other issue is that there's another direct, which I believe is people and elderly people. And as part of that, there's public health, and the Director of Public Health is going around talking about loneliness in older people. And if you have a restrictive parking zone, such as the several that I mentioned, this doesn't actually help people meet each other. And I hope that you take that into account. And the final point is, the best parking zone in all of Harrow is Zone A, which was the original one, which went in. It happens to be in Pina, and that is no parking from 11 to 12 on weekdays. It was designed to stop people parking there and walking down to the underground station because that was in zone five, whereas the next one out is in zone six. And it's worked. It's worked for 30 years, 20 years when, you know, however long it is, and if you are going to consult and you propose a change, there may be a riot because we're quite happy with the parking zone in Pina. I'm sure the consultation will reflect that. So thank you very much indeed. Feedback, I think we'll take all of that on board. We will look at demand, we'll look at the business need. The idea is to develop a scheme that is suitable for a given area to meet the demands of that given area, whoever's using it from residents to businesses. There's also the question of the church in Locket Road where the people couldn't park the drop off their cars to go to church. There's the Methodist church there, I think, which was rented by a Romanian church. Thank you, I think John just mentioned what I'm going to say now. It's about item number 38 on your appendix C, which is a Matthew and Road and Chando Scres and Melford Garden request to review existing. There's been pending for a long, long time. And the fact that is number 38 out of 50, it looks like it won't even be happening before 2026. So people are really angry about the situation and the timing is totally wrong, 8.30 to 8.30 Monday to Saturday. So any idea when we can expect some sort of result on this review? Because it's number 38, which is quite bad down on the list. Within our review, we're reviewing all of the existing zones, then we will have a look at this particular location as well in terms of its operation and put that into the program. Ben? Yeah, I mean this item is for adjusting a zone so that people can park in a adjacent road, is that right? It is zone O, which is 8.30 to 8.30 Monday to Saturday. Now, flash musical is one of the zones, lots of other residents who are not happy because they're kind of visitors during weekends. They're weak, they're restriction only, and they leave the Saturday and Friday at Sunday alone. So because it's way down on the list, I was thinking when it's going to come up. I don't think it'll come up in the next two years, in my view, where it is at the moment. I'm going to be able to tell you right now when we're reviewing that zone, but the intention is to take the strategic program to Cabinet in July, which will set out an indicative program of review. But in terms of the status of that item, if I can come back to you like maybe tomorrow to give you an update. Yeah? Can I just ask to be included in that, please, as the ward Councillor? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Just some closing comments from me on the appendix B. Health from Drive, I'm pleased that's included because we were submitted a petition at the last task app and the task app before that. So I'm pleased that's been recognised. And also the Stanmore College area. I know it says a review of the whole area, but I think it should be more of ensuring that the whole area is in sync. So just going forward, I would recommend making sure that the local ward Councillors are involved in that to make sure that everything's in sync, including the extension along Gordon Avenue. Do we have any further questions on this scheme? Okay, we can please agree for the panel to note this report and then moving on to item. So, yeah, for the panel, can agree the recommendations. Everyone agreed? Yeah. You're unanimous. Yeah. Going on to item 11, which is a presentation on Harrow's long-term transport strategy. Thank you, Chair. This is an item that presents for information only the borough's long-term transport strategy that's been developed for us by consultants working with us closely. It's due to go to consultation in mid to late May. Basically, outlines our strategy in relation to aligning with the key goals of the mayor's transport strategy and to create a sustainable road user hierarchy and to look at the movement into place framework. I hope you've all had a chance to read it. It's a fairly interesting document to read and it covers quite comprehensively the issues that have been highlighted for us in terms of the current status of the borough in terms of its transport and its transport infrastructure. And outlines the strategy to change things, to improve things, to support the local economy and the development of the borough in line with the local plan. I don't know if you already want to say anything more about that. Yeah, so if you've all had a chance to read it, I'd be grateful for any questions you may have. I'm thinking that might be a better Councillor Black. We do have a plan timeline, so the consultation would start this month and will conclude in June towards the end of June. And then we are aiming to take this to the gets October cabinet for final approval. It's quite a lengthy document, and I don't believe everyone has read and I just did it yet. There is time for you to have a look at it and get back to us. This is just the consultation stage. We do have an easy read version as well. That will be published as part of the consultation, because obviously we're aware the public possibly won't want to sit and read all of that long document, but there is a shorter version that gives you key information. Yeah, the first summary will be great. Any other questions? Yeah, thank you. Obviously, Herro Cyclist will make detailed comments on it. I've got a couple of questions and one comment which I hope you will take on board. So we've seen quite a few strategies over the years about cycling in particular, and nothing has changed to be blunt. So what will be different about this one? I'm not sure what you mean by nothing has been addressed because I don't know which strategy or past document you're referring to, but this is a brand new document that's been developed for us that highlights all of the key issues in connection with active travel. Do we want to have more active travel in the borough? The idea is to implement some changes that will affect behavior change for people to consider different ways of travelling, considering active travel. And also what do they want to see in the borough? Do they want more greening? Do they want areas to sit down and contemplate all of those things within the strategy in terms of how we want the borough to be in terms of the public environment? And the highway infrastructure. So I think it's quite a comprehensive document, but it is a draft. It's there for consultation. And if anyone is interested to give us feedback, we would be very appreciative of that because it will help formulate the final document. Thank you, Joe. If I may just make a few brief remarks. The one I'm particularly referring to is the walking and cycling strategy of 2013. There's a lot of very aspirational strategies, but we still have an extremely low cycling rate, very dangerous roads, and virtually no cycling infrastructure. So that's why I'm a little bit cynical about strategies. It's lovely to hear about your ambition to achieve behavioral change. The climate and nature strategy, which has recently been published, had some KPIs in it, and this one doesn't. So my suggestion would be that it should have some targets and smart objectives year by year, so we can actually see a timescale for change. A couple of comments. I think it'd be useful to include car ownership and car use and ambitions for reducing them. The aging population and disabled people tend to be characterized as people who need to use cars. And that isn't always the case. If we looked at other countries like Switzerland, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, they very much have people over 70 use e-bikes and have a great time, or indeed various other mobility aids, without needing to use cars. We're being very grateful when my mother had to give up her car at the age of 85, because she was a danger to everybody on the road, and aspiring for elderly people to use cars is not necessarily a good thing. So that would be my point on that. I think we should also consider the Wheelstone-Harry opportunity area, and as some Councillor Brahms already mentioning, the burgeoning building of flats, and the lack of space to keep cars, and the need to ensure safe and effective cycling infrastructure for those large numbers of people. That isn't mentioned in the strategy. And the point of detail, which I would really love you to correct, before you put it out for consultation, and that is the Figure 14 on page 29, which talks about the cycle network. Most of those lines on the map are not cycle routes. They are paint on the roads. And the only one worth the name is the one in Alexandra Avenue, which is actually protected, even though you have to stop at every junction. And so that is the only one I would actually call the cycle route. And the other is just like the Emperor has no clothes. They are not cycle routes. And I would hope you would take that on board and have a look at cycle A9 in Chisick, which is a cycle route, where you are actually protected from the traffic, and there are lots of cyclists and lots of commercial activity as a result. So, I would like to see in sustainable road user hierarchy prioritizing active travel over inactive travel in the document as a whole. And that is about the end in terms of general comments. So thank you. We'll let you have the detail once. [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] [BLANKAUDIO] Sorry. So there will be a way of monitoring the delivery of the strategy through the plans through a time-bound way. Thank you. Could I please request the panel to note the report? Thank you. And finally, moving on to any other urgent business, I've been notified of one item, which is the reappointment of advisors, which should have been. It's traditionally done at the February meeting, so this is the, in effect, the February meeting. Can I have, I know we have Anthony Wood online, can I please request panel members if they have any thoughts on them or objections to having the reappointment of our current advisors? It's everyone in the agreement. Thank you. And thank you. Yeah. Yeah, sure. If I could take the opportunity to thank all our advisors for the work they do for the panel as well. I've not been notified of any other business. And sorry, thank you to Anthony as well, who's always online and supportive for the work of the panel. Thank you for everything you do. And I've not been notified of any other business. And the next meeting is on the 10th of July. Thank you very much, everybody. Good night. Thank you. 10th of July. [BLANKAUDIO]