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Excellent, thank you very much.
Well, I don't have an agenda here.
I have a sending one. I've got everything left in general.
Thank you very much.
Executive meeting 7th of May 2024.
We have some bits and pieces on our agenda today.
First of all, apologies for absence.
One, two, three, four, five, six, we're all here.
Now minutes, the minutes of the last meeting.
Are we all happy with those minutes?
Can I see a proposal?
Can I see Taylor?
Seconder? Can I look up on Bradbury?
Sure, hands to approve, please.
Thank you very much.
And before I forget, I'll sign them off.
Oh, yes.
One apology for absence.
Oh, Councillor Nutl is not here.
There we go, rushing too much in the morning.
I can't even count.
Right.
Announcements.
I have one announcement.
I'm delighted to welcome our newest district, Councillor.
Councillor Jack Major, who will be joining Councillor Nutlie,
who's on our executive representing Ash Burton, I think,
and but firstly, of course.
I think, of course, our departed friend, Hugh Cox,
would be very happy to see Jack in place.
Welcome, Jack, and I look forward to seeing you at your first meeting,
which will probably be our full Council meeting at the end of the month,
I would imagine.
Thank you very much.
Declarations of interest.
Do we have any?
Nope.
Thank you.
Executive Forward Plan.
Any questions, additions, or comments on the executive forward plan for this month?
Nope.
Okay.
Thank you very much.
Which brings us on to public questions.
Now, we have a couple of questions.
I see our questions are at the back.
Thank you for joining us.
It's nice to have public questions and people engaged.
So, first question from Gilliam Blick.
You have an answer.
Do you have a supplementary question, a follow-up question?
Please come forward to a microphone.
Thank you.
Thank you very much indeed for hearing my question today.
I sent every council member an email at the back end of last year following the broad
meadow proposals.
I had a conversation with your leisure centre manager about the consultation where there
is a misleading question which led people to, I think, choose an option which is not
probably the option they intended to choose.
And it's something we discussed fully at the time.
In my email, I set out the risks that you are taking by going for the sort of changing
rooms that you are going for there.
In the week when it has been announced in the press that building regulations are to
be changed to mandate single-sex facilities in all new public buildings.
You choose to ignore this and continue with what amounts to a perverts charter.
Women and girls will be subjected to voyeurism and indecent exposure.
Why are you malign or million competent?
Thank you.
Well, thank you for your question.
I would rather it was put in slightly more polite terms.
I am neither malign nor incompetent.
I think there is a gross misunderstanding in the concept of the village-style changing
rooms which actually provide far more privacy for men, women and children, families with
cubicles.
There is a huge misunderstanding about what is being provided.
Broad meadow leisure centre provides both individual women's changing facilities
and men's changing facilities and village changing facilities which is entirely
normal in leisure centres.
There is no idea that the new proposed law will apply to Broad meadow centre because
it is under construction and it is there.
That is a future law that may apply to public buildings in the future and is in
itself misguided, I believe.
There is no indication that village-style changing facilities are any worse.
You quote a newspaper article.
I point out to you that articles in the newspaper are there because they are
unusual.
It is not an everyday occurrence.
So there is no proof in the statements that you have made.
I also put it to you that this council has, in the last year, put forward a
programme, government funded with government funding that we have found of
approximately a quarter of a million pounds to improve our work for the
Community Safety Partnership, preventing violence against women and girls.
We take this very seriously.
Unfortunately, this awful government is choosing to stir up concerns and make them
bigger than they are in reality that are not a real concern and they are mistaken
as they are in many things.
And as soon as we see the back of them, the better.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from Jenny Dingsdale, who is also with us.
Do you have a supplementary question?
You have an answer in writing.
If you press the button, you will get a red light on your microphone to speak.
Thank you for your answer.
If the council is saying that they are not working within to contrast to
provide any aspect of their diversity training, would you be able to go into
details about who is giving you information on trans issues for your
training and how much you have paid for that?
I will point out to you that Devon County Council last year had an internal
report that was done that found it was carrying out practices that were
discriminatory even in this day and age.
And it has been working hard with minorities and groups of
all types to actually ensure that equality and diversity and inclusion
is in place within Devon County Council.
Now you would have thought that Devon County Council Conservative run would be
impeccable, but clearly even they are subject to learning about diversity
and inclusion.
We have very competent officers within our own structure who provide the
diversity and inclusion and qualities training and they will be receiving
information from a huge variety of sources, including places like the
community safety partnership, the local police, various women's groups and
refuges and all sorts of other organisations.
So I do not have a particular name or any consultants that we use and I'm not
at this time going to go into those details.
Would you be able to provide a list by email perhaps?
I'm sorry, you don't have any further supplementary questions.
It's not a debate at this stage, it's just the one question.
But you haven't answered the question.
I have answered the question.
Thank you very much.
That is the end of the public questions.
OK.
Team Bridge can't hop on plan.
It says here, Councillor Busking to present, but we don't have Councillor
Busking with us.
I wasn't expecting Councillor Busking to present.
I think you might find out if you're presenting that.
I thought you were presenting Councillor PAIL.
Yes.
Yes, thanks yet.
The car park has a finished group.
Have for last 12 months been looking at the actual operational process by which we
currently run our car parks.
And this report is a result of that work from an all-party task and finish group.
I'd like to thank all of those members for taking part, as I say, from all parties in the chamber
and producing this report, and also to democratic services for the support they've given.
One of the recommendations on this report are to note the operational car park in plan
as it is at present, which is attached, and recommend the plan for executive for adoption.
So the recommendation is first to note the recommendation for the plan.
And authorised that the car park in task and finish group is reconvened to review the items
identified in Appendix C, which are considerations for the future, and to produce a further
report for their consideration.
This work will have to be taken in regard of external reports and the local plan.
This was on the OVN scrutiny to recommendations from Tuesday the 9th of April, 2024.
I believe that they've carried out very due diligence.
The task and finish group originally, when they first started looking at car parkings,
convened in 2015, and through no fault of anybody's, a report was not brought forward.
I would, I'm proposing to recommend that we note this report as it stands, as the operational,
the current operational procedures and processes by which we are running our car parks at present.
Clearly, there is a long way to go.
I think my recommendation to note it is because by noting it, we are accepting the status quo
of what we're doing at the present, but we're also allowing ourselves the flexibility for
task and finish group to reconvene, to look at the strategic overview of all 88 car parks
that we own, which will include, of course, also looking strategically at those areas
where we may need more car parking.
But without that overview, I think we can only note it on this occasion, so I'm prepared
to recommend at this stage that that's, to the executive, that's what we adopt.
Thank you.
So, just to clarify, so we are noting the report.
We're noting the report.
Thank you. Do I have a seconder?
Councillor.
Councillor interjecting.
Councillor interjecting.
Thank you very much.
Okay, comments, questions, observations on the report?
Councillor Hook.
Thank you, Leader.
Yeah, I just wanted to offer some explanation, possibly as to why we're not adopting it,
which is what's recommended, and we, some of us had a discussion about adopting it versus
noting it, and so perhaps some explanation.
I listened to the scrutiny presentation at ONS2 by Councillor Rompert, where he's suggesting
that really this is just an initial output of the task group, and that we, that the task
group reconvenes and completes the tasks that they had set themselves in their terms of
reference.
So, don't have a problem with that.
I hope they do do that, and I think we can support that.
But in terms of an initial output of the task group, I'm not so sure that I would want to
be part of adopting this particular plan as it's laid out.
And one of the, a couple of main reasons.
One is, I think, because actually, more than just being an operational plan that outlines
our current practices, it actually, if you look at it, it contains a number of what read
as recommendations and what read as decisions.
And they're not backed up by evidence.
As far as I can see, nobody's actually been interviewed by that task group yet.
Towns and parishes haven't been consulted, businesses, town centre managers, chambers
of commerce, et cetera, et cetera, and those are people that will be affected by the recommendations
and decisions of that plan.
So, I don't think we need to adopt it for the task group to continue with the tasks they
need to be doing.
I don't think there's a need to do that.
It's perfectly okay to note it.
So, I mean, what I would like to see the task group doing is, and the sort of report they
should produce at the end would have some context settings.
So, things that aren't mentioned in this plan are things like current asset review,
the local plan, various other document, strategic documents that were involved in at the moment,
EV strategy, et cetera.
So, there should be some context setting within that and within the council's priorities,
which for all of the time, when the task group is meeting, where climate change, housing
and jobs, but the car parks as an asset are not set within that context.
And that's what should happen, I believe.
There should be a list of people that need to be spoken to, which would include a large
number of officers of this council and also towns and parishes crucially on their opinion
on the car parks in their areas, and also might be worthwhile benchmarking against other
councils in terms of their policy regarding car parking and their evidence relating to
their car parking policies.
So, to me, there's a long, long way to go, but I'm not happy that this current plan reads
as if some recommendations and decisions have already been made without any evidence backing
those up.
We can't be a community-powered council if we're not going out and discussing with our
communities, with businesses, with user groups, with motorhome user groups, whoever it might
be, before we put anything on paper that looks like we've made a decision.
So, that would be my reason why we can't adopt this.
We can note it as a piece of work on a path, but there's much more for the task group to
do, and car parks are a really crucial asset that the council owns, but they're also crucial
assets within our communities that are really important to our community.
And they're really important to the sustainable, and that will, it doesn't appear anywhere,
sustainable economic vitality of our communities.
Thank you.
Thank you, Councillor.
Any other comments or questions?
I'd endorse your points entirely.
No?
So, are we happy to note this and ask the overview and scrutiny to go back and look at a more
strategic forward-looking plan where we can, in fact, look at recommendations and potential
decisions to make any changes as we are noting this as this is a current statement of how
we are currently working our car parks, which is a useful thing to have, because if you don't
know what you've got, you don't know how you want to change it.
Okay, so did we have that seconded?
Oh, yes, we did, Councillor Nutl seconded it.
Thank you very much.
Can I see a show of hands in favour of noting?
That's unanimous.
Thank you very much indeed.
Okay.
Street naming and numbering policy.
This has been a long time coming.
Councillor Taylor, I think you're presenting this one.
Could you pop your microphone on, please?
Of course.
Thank you, Leader.
Item eight on today's agenda is regarding the adoption of our street naming and numbering
policy with the officer recommendation to one, adopt the street naming and numbering policy,
as said out in Appendix one, and two, work with Exeter and East Devon Councillors to review
the shared policy against the local Government Association guidance to respond to calls for
public realm changes.
Also said out in the appendices are Appendix two, result of consultation with town and parish
councils and Appendix three, Equality's impact assessment, the Equality's impact assessment.
The naming and numbering of streets and buildings is controlled under the town improvement clauses
act which dates back as far as 1847.
The prime objective in naming streets and numbering buildings is of course to facilitate
easy identification of premises by the emergency services, postal and delivery services and
general visitors to the area.
Street naming and numbering is a joint service undertaken by Strata on behalf of Teambridge,
Exeter and East Devon Councillors.
There are clear operational benefits to all three authorities adopting a single unified
policy approach.
The street naming and numbering policy is currently being used and has been since 2019, but it
has never been formally adopted by Teambridge.
At the full Council meeting on the 22nd of February 2021, a notice of motion on equality
presentation was unanimously supported by members within which Council resolved to review the
street naming and numbering procedure to reflect the recent local government association advice
note relating to requests from the public to change the public realm.
Further details regarding this notice of motion and the relevant LGA advice notes can be found
in the background papers with links provided from today's agenda.
Section 4 of the policy deals with procedures to name, rename and existing street, road
or lane.
Consultation on changes needed to demonstrate its support of at least two thirds of affected
properties or the owner in the case of a private owned street.
The ward member in town or parish council would then need to be consulted.
The policy does not currently require a wider forum to be convened, which misses the opportunity
for a wider understanding, dialogue and debate to take place around a proposed change.
Overall the policy does align well with the LGA guidance, but it could be amended at a later point
to reflect current advice more specifically, particularly in relation to renaming.
This would require all three authorities to agree a policy update at post adoption in
a wider consultation with communities and interest groups.
In January this year consultation took place with our town and parish councils with feedbacks
or via a survey.
Ten responses were received while the content of which can be found on appendix two.
Seven responses agreed with the policy while one neither agreed nor disagreed.
Two responses were against the policy, however no material changes were made at that time
as detailed response information was not provided.
A refresher of the policy however could come later and should include a more engaged discussion
with the town and parish councils to understand why there was disagreement and what could be
improved.
Leader colleagues the adoption of this street name and numbering policy will assist this council
to better support requests from the community to rename or explain historic street names.
The policy as proposed is already being used to provide guidance on decision making and to assist us in our
community.
Thank you councillor, do you have a seconder?
Councillor Keeling.
Any questions or comments on this?
Councillor Keeling.
Thank you, Leader.
I'd just like to say it has been a long time coming.
I remember this quite some time ago and so pleased that we've actually got it down now as a
policy association establishing a forum for discussion, establishing a measure of objectivity,
considering extremist, countering extremist, sorry, and considering a suit of solutions
in addition.
So for me it's the consultation with the town councils and the residents in that locality
that is so important and this policy actually states that.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Councillor Natalie.
I just fully agree with that and I must say going back four years now, one of my constituents
actually moved from Newton Abbott out to Canton in Ashford and changed the name Biz property.
I found it quite easy coming through the council and asking if that's permission and obviously that was
granted for the cider bar and I think it was called over.
You're quite appropriate, but yeah.
It was quite easy I found that.
Thank you, Councillor.
Any other questions, comments?
No.
So can I see a share of hands in favour of adopting this policy?
Thank you very much indeed.
It's unanimous.
Okay, brings us on to the update on future high streets fund.
We have no Councillors registered to speak this week if they lost interest.
I think they must have done.
Okay.
It is moving ahead well.
The project adjustment request as I announced in full council has been approved so that we
have now got spending deadlines end of March 2025 to have spent the money, which is still
very, very tight.
We are exploring options for the subsequent project adjustment request to support the
unused grant money now.
Clearly those are going to have to be projects that are quick to set up, quick to execute
and quick to deliver.
So in many ways, time is of the essence in its proper term of actually choosing what those
projects may be, and that will clearly come forward shortly.
Planning application for the market hall has slipped a week or two, but is still due to
come in before the end of May looking to hopefully come forward to a planning committee in July
2021 for a decision on the market hall planning.
We have been doing the public engagement, which went down extremely well.
The officers and Councillors were in the former game store in market walk for three days.
I think it was with lots of people coming by.
Public reaction was oh good, it needs something doing.
This will be an interesting and different and exciting new venture and we'll come back and
see it when it's done.
There is of course trepidation from the traders.
Any change is always difficult, but we are in detailed discussion with all of those people
currently running businesses out of the market hall and finding ways for them to continue
their businesses in the interim.
We have some of the larger businesses moving into vacant premises.
We have others moving into the old post office.
The old post office is being refitted to bring it up to an occupational standard and that
work will commence shortly.
It does not require planning approval.
It is being done within permitted development rights.
Alongside that, we have the National Cycle Network, two works which are commencing
due to complete at the end of May.
I have in front of me here, which sounds...
So they are due or shortly due.
I'm not sure we are completed at the end of May.
I suspect that is commencing at the end of May rather than complete.
No complete.
Okay, that was good.
Queen Street is due to commence end of May and completed by the end of November 24.
We are working hard and Councillor PAIL is very much integrated with the communication
with all of the traders along the street there.
Helping them understand what is going on and making sure we do everything we possibly
can to help them through the difficulties of such a change.
I think that is about it from the update unless there is anything from the other
Councillors involved that I missed.
Oh, Councillor Taylor.
Thank you, Leader.
Yes, just very pleased to see that our communications team have kept the public
fully aware of what is going on via our residence newsletter and details of the Queen
Street enhancement works, as you say, getting underway next week, which is great.
And to note that a dedicated local liaison officer is visiting businesses in the street
to discuss the work and to hear their concerns and to put in place plans to support them
through the duration of the scheme.
That is going to include things like the special discounted car parking on the top two levels
of the Sherborne Road multi-storey car park, access for blue badge holders and signage
at the avenue junction and other gateway areas which will promote Queen Street as open for
business as usual and scheme information boards as well.
So, yes, we are obviously right behind this as an executive council, but also our officers
are going that extra mile to make sure that the public and the businesses are fully aware
of what is going on and the timetables.
Thank you.
Thank you, Councillor.
Yes, there is a big push on making sure we get accurate and complete information out
there rather than some of the ill-informed and incorrect speculation that might have been
and the answer is never believe what you read on Facebook because it probably isn't true.
Okay.
Can I see a chef hands to note that update please?
Thank you very much.
We have then information, individual executive member decisions, which are listed in here
for information to make sure they go on to the public record.
There's no need to vote on those.
And at that point, I will then close the meeting.
Thank you very much for your attendance.
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