Health and Adult Social Care Scrutiny Panel - Thursday, 7th November, 2024 6.30 pm
November 7, 2024 View on council website Watch video of meeting or read trancriptTranscript
Dwi'n dechrau bod ni wedi dod agofn iddyn i fod o guessed yconf competit Ifanc, Rwydw, hä'n offens i wefyd, unrhyw bun sydd. Rydych chi'n bobl o dechrau dros y gwasanaeth a chyflawn gwaith tysaw juicynt cyffredinol yma. Jo fe wnaeth i'w ei gefnd皇 amden, ond fe ddybagodd i bobl sylwadfa'r torau pan fyddai un synny notifications well. Mae'r cyfle hwn yn cyhoeddus, mae'r cyfle hwn yn recordio a'i weithio ar y canol ym Mhob. A all y cyfle hwn yn ymwneud y byddwch yn cymryd y microfon efo'r cyfle hwn ac yn olygu i gyd yn ymwneud hynny pan oeddwch yn ymwneud y cyfle? Agenda nr 1, ymgyrch ymgyrch ar gyfer cyfle hwn. Mae gynnydd o ddod o amdanydd ym Mhob, Ysgrifennydd ym Mhob, Ysgrifennydd ym Mhob a Ysgrifennydd ym Mhob. A ydym am ddod o amdanydd? Mae'n ddod o amdanydd o amdanydd o ddod o amdanydd. Oherwydd, ddod i chi amdanydd o amdanydd. Byddwn yn mynd i'r ddiddordeb. Dyna'r ddiddordeb nôl 2. Nid yw ddiddordeb ddiddordeb. Byddwn yn mynd i'r ddiddordeb nôl 3, ddechrau'r ddiddordeb. A oes unrhyw ddiddordeb neu'r ddiddordeb ffyrddol i ddechrau ar unrhyw ddiddordeb ar y ddiddordeb? Rwy'n dweud, rwy'n gweithio ar y NHS. Felly, yn y ffordd, rwy'n mynd i'r ddiddordeb. Rwy'n dweud, rwy'n gweithio ar y NHS. Rwy'n mynd i mi ddiddordeb ymlaen. Ymlaen, 4. Mae'r ddiddordeb yn cael ei gynhyrchu i'w gynhyrchu ar y bun hwn ymlaen. Ymlaen, 19 September 2024. Mae'r ddiddordeb yn hoffi i ddiddordeb rwy'n gweithio ar y bun hwn? 뭘 o ddysgu o ran y cyfle. Beth 설wyddaeth ddi ond nid yw'r cysylltiadau sy'n cael ei wneud yn y progrwm gweithio a'i gynnwys yn hynny. Felly, pan oeddwn ni'n gobeithio ar y cysylltiadau, roeddwn i'n gobeithio ar y gysylltiadau ymchwiliadau NHS sy'n cael ei gysylltiadu ar gyfer iechyd meddyliadol, a hynny'n cael ei wneud unrhyw ffordd. Rydw i'n credu bod hynny'n cael ei wneud unrhyw ffordd. Mae'n dweud bod hynny'n cael ei gysylltiadu mewn cyfansoddiadau'r dyfodol, ond mae'n dweud bod hynny'n cael ei wneud unrhyw ffordd. Felly, wrth gwrs, mae'n debyg bod hynny'n cael ei wneud yn y cyfansoddiad, ac mae'n debyg bod hynny'n cael ei wneud yn y cyfansoddiad, ond nid yw'n debyg bod hynny'n cael ei wneud. Ie, diolch, Cyngor Mclrwb. Ie, rydw i'n meddwl y byddwch chi wedi cymryd beth rydych chi wedi siarad am y cyfansoddiadau. Roedd y cyfansoddiadau y byddwn ni'n ei wneud. Trefnau o'r cyfansoddiadau wedi bod yn cael ei wneud yn y cyfansoddiad hwnnw. Y cyfansoddiad hwnnw, rydw i'n siarad am y cyfansoddiadau. Roedden nhw'n mynd yn ôl i mi am ICB i wneud y cyfansoddiad ar hynny. Ac roedd y cyfansoddiad hwnnw'n cael ei wneud ar y cyfansoddiad hwnnw, ac roedd y cyfansoddiad hwnnw'n cael ei wneud ar y cyfansoddiad hwnnw. Roedd y cyfansoddiad hwnnw'n cael ei wneud ar y cyfansoddiad hwnnw, ac roedd y cyfansoddiad hwnnw'n cael ei wneud ar y cyfansoddiad hwnnw. Byddwch chi'n ymwneud â'r cwestiwn yn ôl? Mae'n bwysig i'r gweithwyr y byddwn yn ymwneud y cyfansoddiad ar y cyfansoddiad hwnnw i'r ddod o'r cyllideb nesaf, yn ymwneud â'r cyhoeddus hwnnw. Mae'n bwysig i'r gweithwyr y byddwn yn ymwneud â'r cyfansoddiad hwnnw. Pan rydym yn ymwneud â'r cyfansoddiad hwnnw, byddwn yn defnyddio'r cyfleoedd hyn. Diolch. Rwy'n meddwl, os yw hynny yw'r cysylltiad, yna rydyn ni'n mynd i'r agenda nr 5. Mae'r agenda nr 5 yw'r adnodd cymdeithasol. O, mae yna cwestiwn o… Rwy'n meddwl y byddwn i'n gweithio ar y 19. Ar y 19? Ie, nid yw'n cwestiwn yma. Rwy'n meddwl y byddwn i'n gweithio ar hynny, ac yna byddwn i'n gweithio ar hynny. Diolch. Ie, byddai'n gweithio ar hynny, os yw'n cael ei gweithio. Felly, rydym yn ymwneud â'r agenda nr 5. Roi'r cymdeithasol ar gyfer Llywodraeth Cymru, Llywodraeth Cymru, a Llywodraeth Cymru a Llywodraeth Cymru at Oxlis. Mae'n bwysig i chi. Mae'r cymdeithasol yma'n cymdeithasol ar Lauren Regan, Llywodraeth Cymru, Llywodraeth Cymru, a Llywodraeth Cymru. Os ydych chi'n gadael 5 munud i ddweud ymlaen am hynny, mae'r cymdeithasol yma'n cymdeithasol i ddweud ymlaen at y cwestiwn. Felly, gallwch chi ddweud ymlaen. Diolch. Diolch, Cymru. Yn ogystal â phobl. Roi'n Llawer, yn Llawer. Rwy'n ymwneud â'r cymdeithasol ar gyfer Llywodraeth Cymru a Llywodraeth Cymru a'i gweithio ar gael gweithio ar gyfer Llywodraeth Cymru. Roi'n gweithio ar gyfer Llywodraeth Cymru a Llywodraeth Cymru a'i gweithio ar gyfer Llywodraeth Cymru a'i gweithio ar gyfer Llywodraeth Cymru a'i gweithio ar gyfer Llywodraeth Cymru a'i gweithio ar gyfer Llywodraeth Cymru a'i gweithio ar gyfer Llywodraeth Cymru a'i gweithio ar gyfer Llywodraeth Cymru a'i gweithio ar gyfer Llywodraeth Cymru a'i gweithio ar gyfer Llywodraeth Cymru a'i gweithio ar gyfer Llywodraeth Cymru. Rydyn ni wedi'i ddechrau o'r rhan o gwasanaethau sy'n cael ei gynnig gan Oxleys. Rydyn ni wedi'i ddweud ymddygiad ymlaen o'n gynllun, felly ein gynllun ar gyfer iechyd meddwl, ac wedi'i ddweud am y gynllun nesaf ar gyfer sefydliad iechyd meddwl ar gyfer iechyd meddwl. Mae hynny wedi'i bod yn y gynllun ar gyfer sy'n cael ein gynllun ar gyfer hynny y flwyddyn nesaf. Rydyn ni'n gweithio'n ffocws bwysig ar gweithio'r hub iechyd meddwl, sy'n ym Mhlymstyd, a'i gweithio gyda'r Cymru iechyd Meddwl, a'i sicrhau bod gennym ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl ar gyfer gwaith iechyd yng Nghymru. Rydw i'n meddwl bod rhai o'r gweithredu sydd gennym ni'n hoffi, Rydw i'n meddwl bod ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl wedi bod yn ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl, felly mae'r gweithredu wedi gweld ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl 80% ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl ym 2019. Mae hynny'n gweithredu'r gweithredu yn bwysig, felly mae wedi bod yn ymgysylltu'r ystod y byddwn ni wedi gallu gweithredu'r gweithredu, ond mae'n cymrydol i ni gael ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl. Mae'r modelau cyhoeddus wedi cael ein gweithredu i ni gael ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl. Roedden ni wedi gwneud hynny'n dda yn ystod ym Mhreinig. Roedden ni wedi gweithredu'n gwych gyda Mind a'i gynnyddio cymorth i ddarparu'r gwasanaethau o'r hub. Mae hynny'n golygu i ni ddarparu cymorth ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl, ond hefyd yn ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl, sy'n cael ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl pan ydym yn ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl. Rydyn ni'n gwybod bod rhai o'r gwasanaethau iechyd meddwl sy'n cael eu cymorth yn ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl. Rydwch chi'n gweld y sglaid yn y pack sy'n cymryd unrhyw gwasanaeth newydd y gallwn ni ddefnyddio, sy'n cael eu cymorth yn ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl. Mae hynny wedi cael ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl yn ymgysylltiedig o gwasanaeth iechyd meddwl, ond hefyd yn ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl pan ydym yn ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl fel rhan o'r iechyd meddwl rydym yn ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl. Rydw i'n meddwl bod unrhyw stori positif i ni, sy'n anodd i'r rest o London, yw bod y gwaith y gallwn ni'n ei wneud yn y cymunedau wedi cael ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl yn ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl. Felly, pan gydyn ni'n edrych ar y datblygiadau i bobl sy'n ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl, unrhyw ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl sy'n anodd, a'r bobl sy'n anodd i ni, rydym yn ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl i wneud yn y cymunedau iechyd meddwl. Mae hynny'n ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl yn llawer o'r rhan o London, lle maen nhw'n gweld unrhyw ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl sy'n anodd i'r gwasanaeth iechyd meddwl. Felly mae hynny'n cael eu gweld fel ymgyrchu iechyd. Rydyn ni'n anodd, pan fyddai'n mynd i gyrraedd ein bod ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl, ac rydym yn defnyddio rhan o bobl sy'n ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl, ond mae hynny wedi'i gwneud ymgyrchu iechyd yn y cwrdd ymlaen, oherwydd y pethau ffocws sy'n gweithio yn y cymunedau a'n ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl. Rydyn ni hefyd yn edrych ar ein bod ymgyrchu iechyd meddwl sy'n anodd, oherwydd y pethau ffocws sy'n gweithio yn y cwrdd ymlaen, ac mae hynny'n gweithio, efallai, ymlaen, ond rhaid i ddweud cwestiynau. Diolch, Lorraine, i'r ymgyrchu hynny. Rydw i'n ddweud ymlaen, pan fyddwch chi'n cael cwestiwn. Rydw i'n dechrau â'r cyngor Sarah. Jane Merrill. Diolch am hynny. Yn y cwestiynau ar ddechrau 19, rydych chi'n gwybod, ond rydych chi ddim yn gwybod, ond rydych chi'n dweud, rydych chi'n gwybod, y byddai'n eisiau a'u cymryd cyngor ffyrdd, ac rydym ni nid yw'n cymryd cyngor ffyrdd ymlaen ar gyfer cyngor ffyrdd Red and Amberzone. A oes unrhyw ffordd y gallwch ddysgu am hynny a ddweud ymlaen i ni ychydig? Roeddwn i'n meddwl y byddai Red and Amberzone cyngor ffyrdd os maen nhw'n dechrau cymryd cyngor ffyrdd, ond maen nhw ddim yn gwneud hynny. Mae hynny'n rhan o ddangos. Felly, diolch. Ie, felly, bob cyngor ffyrdd sy'n cyngor ffyrdd byddai'n gweithio'n glan unig o ran sut y byddai'n gweithio'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n gweithio. 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Al y cyllideipu, roedd y cymdeithas wedi'i tyll tension ym weld y benderfeydd sydd kiddoelPeoeddeydd, ymgyr Felly, yn ymhlysg ymhlysg ymlaen, mae'n amlwg 80% o gael ym mhob, ac mae hynny wedi'i ddiwygio'n bwysig oherwydd yr holl sy'n digwydd yng Nghymru o gael ym mhob, yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ymwneud yn ddod oredd teulu0'r gweithwyr pedarol, a debyg y f Husn wedi bod yn raddig y diwyddiant. Ond tyfu ar cooking att troedda wir hwn fel tyfu ar rywod hwn ar y Straeiaid. Fell開 cyfle i'r cyfreithiau ymwneud. 在 sł健 Maori yn edrych ar g�� byddwch chi'n mynd yn aml lan. Os marferch chi gyflawn. Diolch yn fawr. Felly, os ydych chi'n meddwl, rydw i'n edrych i chi ddweud ymddygiad mwyaf o ymddygiad Lord Darcy i'r NHS. Felly, dwi ddim yn gwybod a dwi'n gwybod, rydw i'n meddwl y byddai'n gwawr ymddygiad ymddygiad ymddygiad ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol. Felly, roedd hi'n dweud, ymddygiad ymddygiad ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol ym Mhrifysgol Working group working group breath breath breath Moderator House member I terms members Hui brothers brothers brothers Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'n bwysig, mae'r ffigurau yma yn ymlaen yn unrhyw ffurf. Mae'r ffigurau yma ymlaen yn unrhyw ffurf, a byddai'n cyfuno'n fwyaf o'r gyrraedd. Mae'r ffigurau yma yn unrhyw ffurf, a byddai'n cwrddol, oherwydd y pethau yma'n ddod i'w ddod. Yn ymlaen yn unrhyw ffurf, mae'r ffigurau yma yn unrhyw ffurf, a byddai'n cwrddol, oherwydd y pethau yma'n ddod i'r gyrraedd. Mae'r ffigurau yma yn unrhyw ffurf, a byddai'n cwrddol, oherwydd y pethau yma'n ddod i'r gyrraedd. Mae'r ffigurau yma yn unrhyw ffurf, a byddai'n cwrddol, oherwydd y pethau yma'n ddod i'r gyrraedd. Mae'r ffigurau yma yn unrhyw ffurf, a byddai'n cwrddol, oherwydd y pethau yma'n ddod i'r gyrraedd. Mae'r ffigurau yma yn unrhyw ffurf, a byddai'n cwrddol, oherwydd y pethau yma'n ddod i'r gyrraedd. Mae'r ffigurau yma yn unrhyw ffurf, a byddai'n cwrddol, oherwydd y pethau yma'n ddod i'r gyrraedd. Mae'r ffigurau yma'n ddod i'r gyrraedd. Alwg, Helo'r Gwellaid yma. Mae'n ddiddorol gweld yn ei wneud. Roeddwn yn amlwg iawn i gyd bod gennym 80% gwybodaeth. Mae hynny'n ddiddorol. A ddwy pethau cysylltuol y byddwn yn eich bod yn gwybod. Mae'n rhan o'r ddau yn ymwneud y byddwn yn cael y gynllun y gynllun y gallwn ddod oherwydd un o'r pethau cysylltuol a'r pethau y byddwn yn gwybod y mae'r cysylltuol yn unig. Mae'r cysylltuol yn benodol. Mae'r cysylltuol y gallwch chi ddatrys y byddwch chi'n gwybod y cyfleoedd mwyaf o bobl y byddwn yn cael iechyd yn ymwneud. Mae'n rhan o'r gynllun. Yr hyn, nid yw hynny, ond, Llywodraeth, gwasanaf i ni. O ran y pethau y byddwn yn ymwneud, pan dymysgu ymgyrchu i'r gynllun. Mae'n edrych ar sut y byddwn yn defnyddio data yn ymwneud. Oherwydd rwy'n credu, yn y cyfleoedd ymwneud, bod y gynllun yn fwyaf o'r gynllun. Felly, mae'n gwybod bod pan mae unrhyw person yn cael y factorau yma, y byddwn yn ddweud yn fwyaf, y byddai'n ymwneud y byddai hynny a hynny'n mynd i'w gwneud. Felly, dyna'r un pwynt. How are we using data? How do we intend to use data to do what I call upstream prevention? That's the first one. The second one is around demography. This is really important and still very much linked to early intervention. We need to know the breakdown of those 80%. We need to know where they're coming from, which side of the borough are they coming from? Are there areas where we need to put a lot more services into? Are there areas where we need to... Let's just see what we can do to make sure that the numbers are reduced and the 80% comes down. That's really important. And the last question or comment is around young people. We've got three universities in this borough, and we know that... I'm sure you would have the data, but a lot of young people are experiencing mental ill health at the moment, especially in universities. It would be great to know what links we have to Ravensbourne University. I think we have four. I think we have Coventry, we have Kent, and we have Royal Borough of Greenwich. I think there are four universities in this borough. To be great to know, what links do we have working with universities? Thank you. In terms of the inequalities, we have got much better data relatively recently than we used to have, which is population health data, which is beginning to help us to see how our data maps onto borough data. For example, we've had a real push to make sure that every clinical contact, we're checking that we've got people's ethnicity and other protected characteristics recorded, because in order for us to have some reliable efforts at working out what we need to target, we need that baseline data. I think currently in Greenwich, our ethnicity data is now at something like 94%, so we're very nearly there. It's been harder work than you might imagine making that happen. We are really trying to encourage our primary care colleagues to send us that at the point of referral so that it doesn't take time away from our initial contacts, but that's probably work in progress. What we're now able to do is look at that against the primary care network data to see whether or not we're seeing an over-representation of people in our services from a particular PCN. That's going to allow us to use our mental health practitioners in a more needs-focused way, which is what we think is the right thing for them to be doing. It is still relatively early. The overall aim of that really is to close the mortality gap, because we know that despite all of the work over the last two decades, people with serious mental illness still die earlier than their peers that don't have an SMI, so ultimately we want to try and close that gap, and we need to target the right groups of people to do that. I think in relation to the point about universities, Time to Talk, which is our talking therapy, links with those higher education institutes. In secondary care, our work is often split across shared care with other trusts and other agencies, because quite often people remain in their home borough for long-term care, and so we often have to do joint work with other teams, and we've got some really good examples of that in our early intervention in psychosis team, where they've done some really nice creative work with other organisations to join up people's care. If somebody with psychosis goes home for a long summer break, they can't just be left without support, so it's the proportion of people that we're seeing in that age group has definitely grown, and some of that demand is attributable to that cohort of people that are in that age bracket. Any further questions from anybody? Yes, Councillor Tester. Thank you, Chair, and thanks very much for the report. I just wanted to ask a couple of questions. This is on page 11, the ADAPT and the vision that you have for improving that service. So item 5, we should see overtime a reduction in the activity ADP based on this model in the hubs being optimised, and this will allow us to right-size this pathway. Could you give us a sort of sense of what kind of timescale that would be over? And similarly to that, item 4, clinicians will focus on treatment optimisation and improve patient outcomes if that's already started. How is that going? Is there any improvement? Thanks. So our ADAPT team, so that's anxiety, depression, personality disorder and trauma, has always been a big team which is almost a catch-all team for people that don't necessarily fit anywhere else and has huge levels of demand. When we set up the hubs, we wanted, so prior to the hubs, we had something called Primary Care Plus, and that was really just a triage service. So it was a front door, but it would teletriage patients and then send them to the relevant team. And when the hubs were established, what we wanted to do was provide immediate and brief interventions in that service. And those interventions typically are group programmes around things like managing emotions, supporting people with some of those social kind of issues and having some brief psychological therapy. And that fits best with our ADAPT model. So by kind of natural consequence, you hope that if you intervene really early with that group of people and you offer them something that's fairly immediate, rather than them have to go to wait in a more specialist team, people that flow through to that more specialist team. And we are seeing that now already, so we've got some data that shows that that is working. We know that our other main pathway, which is around psychosis, won't have, that impact won't be the same because typically people with psychosis need a secondary care offer because they typically need medication, which can be quite complicated to establish and kind of manage. So this is the pathway where we think there is the most opportunity to change people's experience and provide something much more quickly. And the data is good and requires there not to be too much more of a spike in demand in order for us to continue to improve on that. And the clinicians focusing on treatment optimisation, I think, is because over time where pathways get so, demand is so high, people lose sight of their purpose and what they're there to achieve. And what we tried to do was really refocus clinical time, particularly the plan. This is the treatment, deliver the treatment, remove some of the noise from around that, that kind of sucked in clinical time into projects and programmes of work that are valuable, but they're not getting the kind of job done. And again, I think people actually have responded really well to that. People like certainty. They like to know that they've got a clear plan for their job. And so I think we expected a little bit of pushback stuff. Thank you, Lauren, for the answers. Do we have any other further questions? Otherwise, I will say well done. Thank you very much. But then I want to just possibly find out about this as well. You spoke initially about 70 per cent of demand has increased, up to 70 per cent, and that of the front door is almost 80 per cent because of Covid. I also do understand, I mean, I read a book which speaks about call nobody normal, because there are so many things that can make us, lead us to mental breakdown. Even housing can be a problem. People are having terrible, they are finding it difficult to pay their bills. That is a major cause. Relationships within families, even work pressures within work and all these. If you were to look at all these courses and that of those who have, let's say, organic courses, for instance, is it a case where, because we have an increase of people who have come to the borough, that has helped to increase the demand this way, or is it because of specific areas, and which are the two, three major ones that are the main causes of this increase, and how are you dealing with it? That's the first question. The second question is also about a very fantastic report, I would say, but then most of the time, if it is linked with some evidence of how these things are done, that would be very helpful, let's say, in future reports. I would also want to just speak about health and inequalities, for instance. I think that has been mentioned, but how are we dealing with that? Are we making any progress at all? If you can comment on this, please. Thank you. I think probably the two things that we see in terms of those social determinants bearing in mind, we do see the full range, and it's hard to quantify each of them, but I think anecdotally, because I don't have the data here, the things that cause our teams the most concern are housing and drug and alcohol issues. They're the two things that probably they're dealing with most regularly. It's possibly that those things are the most tricky to deal with, so it's not to say that there aren't equal numbers of people, perhaps, with debt and relationship issues, because they are also very common. They're probably slightly more straightforward for a clinician to work through with somebody than the drug and alcohol and the housing issues. So they're probably the top two. In terms of the inequalities, I think you did ask something else before, inequalities, and I can't remember. I mean, certainly we can give some examples around that evidence when we next present. And the inequalities, I think there is definitely progress, but it's an area that there's so much more we need to do in. We're definitely not at a point where we can probably celebrate just yet, because it's really early days. I think you've heard from Time to Talk before, and they do some really great work in terms of engaging faith groups and looking at very specific populations that they know, through their data, are underrepresented in talking therapy services. We've also done some work to think about whether we continue to see an overrepresentation of young black men in crisis services, and we do. And there isn't a corresponding overrepresentation in our community services, so there's something about how we target support to that group of people in the community to prevent them tipping into crisis, because they're going into those crisis teams, ED and home treatment teams, without coming to the attention of community services first. So we have some work going on to think about how we can encourage those groups into our sort of first step services before they hit those crisis services. But again, we could probably do a whole session on inequalities at some point, if you want. The inequality will be something that will be exciting to have further information about. I believe a member has mentioned that already as well, so we can note that as well. I just have a suggestion about the reports. We're not all in the health industry, so a lot of Jagon acronyms have been used. I don't know the meaning of ICM, for example, section 75 SCL. The good thing is some of the acronyms, they were the meaning for some, and some the meaning wasn't given. So it would just be good, at least the first use of the acronym, if that could be broken up. That's a really good reminder. We're very bad at acronyms in the NHS. Yeah, that's a very important point, and I think, Sarah, you were also speaking about it. But yes, a lot of us are not medical, or we don't understand the abbreviation, so it's best to, even though you can have the table of abbreviation to interpret, but then it doesn't help in concentration when you have to be going up and down to be checking. So where you have to write the full thing, it will be very helpful. Yes. Thank you, Chair. I was just going to emphasise that. We did talk about that before. So it was said by my colleague that, you know, written out the first time, but actually I would argue against that. I can't keep referring back every time. I just prefer the full name to be written every single time, and when someone's giving a presentation as well, to just say what it is rather than ACM or DMT, because it's really, really wearing. It just, the sentence is meaningless. Thank you. Thanks, Sarah, for emphasising on that as well, yes. So thank you very much for answering the questions, making your presentation and answering the questions. I will move swiftly to item six. So thank you. You can move on then. Item six is integrated commissioning update. To consider the report integrated commissioning update and make recommendations to the executive if necessary. This will be presented by Lisa Wilson, integrated director of commissioning. So that will be great to hear from Lisa, and thanks for coming. You have also five minutes to make your presentation. Thank you. Thank you, Chair, and thank you for welcoming me. So I'm Lisa Wilson, integrated director of commissioning for adults in Greenwich. So I'm here to present to you today. And Chair, I've tried to build into the slides that I'm just going to run through very briefly, some of the questions that you had for us in advance as well, and there's some data in there that might mean I go slightly over the five minutes, but it might help in terms of some of the workforce questions that you had. Is that okay with everybody? Okay. Thank you. So in terms of the context, you've got this in the report already, but in terms of the purpose of the report, it's to provide an update on our commissioning arrangements and those specific in relation to integrated commissioning. And then also to provide an update on the quality and the quantity of the care that we have in our communities and on continuing healthcare, which also comes under my responsibility in Greenwich. So I think well-made points about the definitions, and we've tried to provide some of that in the report to support that understanding. So when I came into my role in 2022, there had already been an agreement between the local authority and the NHS locally to make sure that we could have an arrangement legally for us to have an integrated approach to commissioning. That is known as a Section 75 agreement, and that gives us the power across local authorities and the NHS to commission on each other's behalf. That's really positive for local residents, because it means that we're trying to join up around a person and not separate what we're doing in the system around our own organisational place in that system as being the first priority. We've also set out what commissioning is. I think in times people haven't understood that in the last few years, and also the shift of what commissioning might have been in the past versus what we're deeming it to be today, and some of that changed in 2022 when the Health and Care Act came in, and then integrated care boards were formed, and then that's some of the shift that we've seen since. So in the context of where we are in Greenwich, it really is about working with residents and using our data and identifying what those real needs are of our local people and their wishes, and then understanding how we can work with partners, including the voluntary sector and other local organisations and the NHS, to meet those needs. And again, in the context of integrated commissioning, we do that together. In the next slide, I've just given a really headline figure, and I think we talked a lot about resources earlier on. It's really important to understand the way those resources come in, so we get some from national level into the local integrated care board at South East London level, and then we get a proportion of those to meet Greenwich needs. If I look at the total of the responsibilities to commission care and support for NHS and local government in Greenwich, and this excludes staffing budgets and the in-house provisions that we have as part of our local authority provision, that amounts to around £300 million, so it's significant in terms of our way of influencing how that money is spent. If you then move on into the next slide, we've taken a bit of a journey over the last couple of years because we wanted to make sure that we had a joined-up health and wellbeing strategy that aligned to our missions in our Greenwich, really important that we had that golden thread. And then we had NHS requirements to have a five-year forward view and annual plans against that five years, so we've tried to do that in a consolidated way, rather than having all these different plans that talk about different NHS or local government priorities, bringing that together, and really important to tell that story. What we then did was look at, in a commissioning context, what we needed to commission and how we would like. Well, I mean, there's so much information on these slides, they're meaningless. I can't deduce anything from these slides at all. They're just like a page from a textbook. I mean, they're also illegible, but what was on the previous slide was just absolutely crammed. It wasn't a graphic at all. I mentioned earlier on, and I appreciate that, what I was going to do was try and touch on things that were already in the report, so this was to enhance that. And I spoke to the chair about sending these slides to you so that you can read them. I'm not going to go through the detail on the slides because absolutely it's too much for you to see, but I wanted to share with you the story. So you're summarising it. I'm summarising what was in the report but in the slides, but that's really helpful feedback. Thank you. So this is just some of the context. I'm not going to go through it, but it was for you to understand the journey that we went on in understanding what staff and residents said could work differently in integrated commissioning. And then the vision that I set out in the report is in the next slide, so again, I won't go into detail because it was in there. Essentially what we were saying was commissioning was moving from being about just buying services to being much more transformational about how we work with partners, address inequalities and deliver the right services for our residents. And the principles that we've got on this slide on the left, again, I've written these in full in the report, but it was about making sure that we think about partnerships, that we think about outcomes, we think about really co-producing and engaging with our residents in different ways, and that we support our workforce to develop their skills and their ability to address those inequalities for impact for our local residents. I'm going to skip over the next one and just skip to slide 10 because that really talks about the health and wellbeing strategy. What I've touched on in the report is some of the things that we do under those headings, so particularly for my team, it's really important that we support people to stay well in the community, to be well in the community, and we work with our partners to do that, including primary care. But a couple of really important areas of focus around the feel well and the age well aspects of what we do. Feel well, as it is written in the main report, is about people having the best lives they can with mental health needs and other disabilities and then ageing well, so supporting people as they age, and that isn't an age-boundaried thing, but as people age and they might have more significant needs. The Chair asked me to touch on a couple of examples where we've done some things over the last couple of years, so I've got those on the next slide. You might be familiar with our joint carers strategy in Greenwich, so that was a piece of work that my team and our partners did and our operational colleagues to look at what our carers in the borough were saying that were important to them in terms of the support they needed. We then had an action plan underneath that, and that supports us then to think about those commissioning decisions and the services that we put in place. So things like the carers centre in Greenwich, that relationship and the contract with that organisation is something that my team work in partnership with, and we also have the carers partnership board, so carers and our residents as part of that, and organisations working with us. Assistive technology enabled care was the other example, so it's something that is coming forward and a service going live in next year. That's really important for our residents to have a modernised service, so often people feedback to us in our work that we don't give them the sorts of experiences with digital solutions that they receive in their day-to-day lives. So we've been working with our digital team and our health colleagues to design that, but really, really closely with residents. They've been in those design groups all the way through that work. And then touching on the field well, we've been working really closely with lots of local residents around what they believe good mental health services need to look like in Greenwich. So it's an extract here on the slide, that report, and it's due to be launched this year. And we've engaged with staff and residents, and they've said to us that the key things for them are about compassionate services and really understanding what matters to them. And to Lorraine's point, talking about the different things that they need, not just the things today. So I know Lorraine talked about some of the transformational work in Oxleys, but this mental health vision goes beyond that in terms of what people want from primary care, from prevention services commissioned by public health, or some of those wider things that are in the community. And I think needs assessment was talked about earlier on. Really, really importantly, we're working with public health colleagues to do a specific needs assessment for mental health population needs in the borough, taking into account the resident views about that and all the population level data, and looking at where those inequalities are now, so that we can then match that to what people's needs are and work with the likes of Oxleys colleagues to meet those in different ways and get to the communities that are not being represented in our services at the moment. Turning to continuing healthcare, I put in the report, again, some information about that for the borough. I won't touch on that too much in these slides because it was in the report, but what I would say is our performance and these performance reports are available to share with you. Now our rate of assessing people for continuing healthcare has consistently been at 100% on the 28-day metric. That's how NHS England assess us in terms of the rate at which we meet people's needs. So I'm really proud of that because the team have worked really hard to have that improvement journey over the last few years. We've also outlined in the report the sorts of services that people get. And turning to quality and quantity of services, I've outlined those in the report, so you will have seen those already if you go to slide 17 and the next one. I'm not going to go through this because it was in the report. Again, these are slides that I want to share with you afterwards as well so that you can see them visually in terms of some of the graphs. But largely people are accessing good quality services in the borough for mental health. We've got some specific work we do with those providers that my quality assurance team work with. It's very much a supportive approach with providers because if we notice things and the CQC notices things, we want them to be the best that they can be. So we do some of that hand-holding. If we move to learning disabilities, which is the next slide, again, some graphs in here and the stats were in the report as well. But we see that most people are supported by good quality provision and where we need to work with CQC around things that aren't as good as they could be, that quality assurance team really work hand-in-hand with those providers. We know that we need to do some more work around supported living and as I outlined in the report, we're doing that over the next couple of years for those with learning disabilities. We have a mixture of in-house services and also those out in the community and we want to make sure that we have those partnerships as strong as we can. And then in terms of ageing well, so things like home care, as I said, ageing well isn't an age boundary thing, it's about people having the right support in the community. So we've recommissioned that home care model over the last few years and we're starting to see some of the workforce things coming through as a more positive aspect from some of those relationships. And when you look at the proportion of people supported, either through our spot contracted or our framework contracted providers, the proportion of people accessing good quality care has been increasing. There's some technicalities around where a CQC registration happens, but broadly speaking, that's where we see people in good quality provision. In terms of market sustainability and quality, I've outlined in the reports some factors, but we've seen trends over the last few years that aren't dissimilar to previous years. And in terms of the factors on the next slide that we talked to, very much about how we work with providers in partnership to understand their pressures. You'll all know that the government previously said they were going to reform social care and some more money would come into local government to support pay rates to go up and in turn support the workforce to receive more in their day-to-day wages than we could have afforded before. We've managed to do some of that, but not all of it, and we await more news about the settlements from this autumn statement. I think, Mariam, you can skip forward to the next one on 23. So there's a lot of data on this slide, but I've produced this so that you can read it afterwards because it was a specific question from the Chair that I only got on Monday about workforce data. But just to give you some statistics that I think might be useful in terms of understanding where we benchmark. In Greenwich, if you look at our vacancy rates, we're actually performing much better than some areas of the country. So we have 8% as our vacancy rate, which is lower than national and regional. In terms of Greenwich, in terms of our diversity of our workforce as well, when you look at those statistics, nationally 80% plus of the workforce in care are from British backgrounds. In Greenwich, we have 42% of non-EU workforce and 6% of EU. So I'm really interested in that because we need to make sure that the workforce are aligned to the needs of the population and the characteristics and the diversity of that. That statistic for me shows that we're moving in the right direction with that. But equally, we know with some sponsorship arrangements and some things that the Home Office have put in place, we need to make sure that our care workforce have got the right support and the right pay. If you then look at the pay rates, which I've put in here as well, it's really interesting when you look at those in a bit more detail because you can see that actually in Greenwich some of our more senior workforce in the care market are receiving slightly more than what other areas are, and they're definitely receiving more than the national living wage. We also pay London living wage for a number of our contracts in Greenwich. So we're moving towards a better position of what the care workforce are paid, which I think was one of the Chair's specific questions that I had on Monday. I'm going to stop there with the presentation because to your point is detail and I want to make sure that we share it with you afterwards. But I also took those questions from the Chair on Monday and tried to make sure that we had some information available in addition to the report and the detail that was in there that was obviously published for you as well. Thank you, Lisa, for that report. Questions? I start with... Yes, go ahead. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Lisa, for the presentation. I'm just going to second what Councillor Seara said earlier. That presentation didn't look like it was a presentation. It looked like a report. It would have been nice if they were bulleted, summarised and were able to read through. I know you said you suggested to Chair that maybe to send it to us so that we can read through. Well, even if you send it to us, that's not a presentation, that's a report. Too heavy, not something that we can just look through and pick up the content points from there. But thank you very much for the information. Very useful. Three areas I'm very concerned about, and I'm glad you mentioned the workforce. I'm looking at page 64 on this report here. I don't know what page it would be on yours. This is on the Supported Living. I live in Thamesmead, and I'm glad this report mentioned it, because if it didn't, I was intending to bring it up. There is a proliferation, particularly in Thamesmead, and it is really worrying. I live in an exclusive residential area, and I know that there have been about three planning applications that have gone into torn homes in strictly residential areas into Supported Living, and it is extremely inappropriate. So there's an element that I believe we need to be working with planning on. In fact, my next door neighbour, when she was moving out, applied, and almost everybody on the street said, You're going to change the dynamics of the street. I don't know why particularly Thamesmead. I kind of have an idea why, to be honest. Let me say I don't know why, but this is something that I believe we need to look into. It's very unhealthy for a community that is meant to be residential. That's the first thing. The second thing is around contract monitoring. You didn't mention that in the report. I need to be great to know What kind of cycles do you have with contract monitoring? For the contracts that you have with Supported Living, learning disability schemes and all of that. Which schemes do you have that have been put on measures? What have you done with them to make sure that corrective actions have been put in place? That's the second thing. The third thing, and that's the one you've mentioned, I like the fact that you mentioned, which is on the workforce. At the last term, the Penultimate Labour Conference, I remember supporting the motion. I actually did raise there the concerns around people who have come into the country to feel the massive vacancy we have in health and social care on certificates of sponsorship. I know from casework about the abuse that a lot of these sponsors meet out to their staff. It is extremely ridiculous. Do we have anything, any process, any policy to— I know it's the Home Office as an element for the Home Office, but however, this site can be captured under contract monitoring around workforce. So if we have anything, I'd like to know. Sorry, I've asked too many questions. Go ahead, Lisa, you can answer that. Thank you. Thank you. So workforce, absolutely. We wouldn't have a set of care providers in our community without the workforce. That's what makes up how we support people. To your point about supported living, we are also concerned about that. So one of the things that my quality assurance team do is if a provider sets up in the borough and they try and register with CQC or we hear about them through planning, as an example, my team will do what's called a new-to-market visit, maybe to go and have that conversation if they've already set up, and sometimes we don't always find out because some provisions don't need to be CQC registered so we don't get the alerts, but from a planning perspective, we are building much closer relationships with housing to be on the front foot. So part of our changed relationship with our colleagues about commissioning is about that collaboration across the local authority. So I work very closely with our housing colleagues now to make sure we're preemptive about that. The other thing about supported living is that there's a movement between different boroughs of where people are placed, and we don't always place within our own borough because sometimes people have choice about where they're placed, but also about capacity, and equally you get that the other way around. So we're working really closely with those other boroughs about some of those arrangements as well. And my intention is to make sure that we recommission supported living in a way that reduces the risk of the sorts of things that you're talking about here, because it's really important. And people often say to us, we don't want to be segregated, we actually want our own front door in a home in a community that matters to us with access to local resources. So that's really important from a planning perspective, because otherwise we might end up with these sorts of settings in areas of the borough where people are disconnected from communities, and actually for their health and wellbeing it's really important to be connected and not the opposite. So really important point. And the sorts of policies and procedures we're putting in place to safeguard against the sorts of things that you're talking about here. Contract monitoring, again, really absolutely important. So my team don't only commission these services, they hold the relationships once those are in place, and do the contract management and the monitoring. So we have officers that deal with the strategic and operational relationships with those providers, but then I mentioned those quality assurance officers. They have a cycle of quality assurance for these provisions, and they go in and they ask for evidence. So they ask for wage slips, they ask for documents of policies and procedures. We have whole workbooks that they go through, and they ask these providers to give them evidence of the quality and the sustainability of what they're doing. And if they notice irregularities, we then work with our safeguarding colleagues, and we make an assessment as to whether those providers should be put into something called a provider quality concerns procedure. And when I said hand-holding, what we do is we understand the evidence, we put those action plans in place, and we assure ourselves through partnership meetings with safeguarding and my quality assurance teams and other relevant partners that those actions are being taken. And if we're then not assured of that quality, we do take steps to decommission services because we're not content with that. So the contract management and the quality assurance go hand in hand, and we also use different software to look at the sustainability of providers. So we look at their company structures, we look at where their profit margins are, we look at where the income and expenditure might give us some concerns, and those indicators also give us reason to go in and ask questions. And since I've been here, I've had very challenging conversations with providers when we've looked at the structure of their businesses and said, Actually, this doesn't meet the requirements of what we're looking for in Greenedge. We wouldn't really want to work with you as a partner. And what we're trying to do is invest in those local relationships and develop provision in the borough for our residents so that we stop some of the unintended consequences of some of the private investment you've seen in social care. It's not to say private companies and independent organisations aren't good. They can be really good. But the partnership and the quality and the sustainability have to go hand in hand. So I'm really assured that actually our processes in Greenedge will spot these things. And we have day-to-day things that come across my radar that give me that confidence. We brief our lead member around that, and we make sure that we're working as hard as we can to safeguard our residents through those processes. The Home Office work then links to that, because through our quality assurance processes, we've spotted things. We've then got partnerships with the police locally and our safeguarding colleagues. And there's been very recent instances where we've gone in and we've had to support people through partnership with the Salvation Army, where some people have been found to be brought into the country under sponsorship licenses which contravene the Home Office rules. And we will then put that wraparound support in place. There's been some investment at South East London level to then put a wider wraparound support so that people, if they truly are here with the right sponsorship, can then be supported into where there's vacancies and the right sort of providers for them. Thank you. Thank you, Lisa. Councillor Sarah, Jane Merrill, go ahead. So thank you, Lisa. Those answers put some meat, I guess, on the report. Like I appreciate, I came over as grumpy and will continue to do so, what I found very frustrating about the report was that it's very high-level aspirational stuff. I mean, there is, like you had alluded to when you went through it, there's some material in there about the living wage and the pay of carers, and that's some substance, but most of it is very high-level aspirational. And so much so that I actually read it twice, and I came away with nothing. The whole report, really, I couldn't come away. If somebody had said, name me six things it says, I couldn't really do so. I mean, I'm not going to rub it in, but I appreciate this graphic is designed to be high-level, and I understand that. But I mean, it says our health and wellbeing strategy takes a life-course approach with a focus on enabling our residents to live well and experience their best lives. Well, like we don't expect them to live terribly and experience terrible lives, do we? And it says start well, be well, feel well, and then it just, it states the obvious. And there's, obviously, there's more flowery language around that, but, you know, I did ask colleagues before whether they agreed with me, and they did. And I found it very, very frustrating, and I won't go into sort of ridicule and pull out other examples, so I could. But, so your answers were, you know, like fine, and I actually gleaned something. But I do feel like some evidence, some examples, some clarification, and just some plain English, actually, would have been of far more value. So I am being a bit grumpy, and I know that you have, and your team, and extensive teams under you have a lot of work to do, and, you know, it must have taken time to put such a report together. But for my part, and I don't know if my colleagues will agree with me, I would have preferred something much simpler, just with examples, so that I could have taken away with it, actually, what was going on and not the report. So thank you. Thanks, Sarah, for your comment. I don't think that was a question, that was a comment, wasn't it? I'm happy to respond. I think when we looked at the brief of what the panel wanted, it was an update on integrated commissioning, and there's been a three-year journey. So I think it was quite difficult to then say, how do you give kind of detailed data or specific examples without showing some of that journey? And I appreciate the strategic nature of it is unhelpful in some ways. I was trying to show the story. That graphic is from our health and wellbeing strategy, so that guides what we do in the borough to meet our population needs. But I really take into account the feedback, thank you. Yes, Maria. I think probably just to add into that as well. I think one of the things that we were trying to do was show you, again, I think as Lisa says, the actual report that was commissioned was around what are our integrated commissioning arrangements. So I think it is, to your point, somewhat a top-level report in some regards from the original commission, plus that including the life cycle or the life course piece, was allowing you, I think, to kind of ground it in what the health and wellbeing strategy is doing as well, so that you could see potentially the different kind of commission services that people would potentially interact with at those different stages. So I think that was to try and help. But we do take your point, Bon, but unless you want to come back on that. You want to come back on? Yeah, go ahead, Sarah. Yeah, please, quick supplementary, I guess, point. I appreciate it's not demonstrating the life cycle and how you integrate care throughout that life cycle that I had a problem with. It's that there's nothing in it. I mean, to say we want somebody to be well is meaningless. To say we want to give everyone access to nutritious food is actually fairly meaningless. You know, the converse is we want everyone to go to McDonald's and eat terribly. I mean, we would take that as read. And to get people the best start in life, well, clearly we all want that. It doesn't mean anything. And something with a bit more substance through the life cycle would have meant something. So I did put a lot of effort into trying to read the report twice. That's what I will say. I'm sorry to say this, because clearly you're highly qualified people working in a very demanding environment, and I completely understand that. But I just found it very dissatisfying. Thank you. But I appreciated the answers, because then the information comes out. Thank you. I think we're still taking questions from the panel. Yes, Councillor Matt Morrow. Councillor Matt Morrow, yes. Yeah, go ahead. Thank you, Chair. I think I understand what you mean by assistive technology, but could you give me a practical example of something that has been rolled out or is about to be rolled out and how people are using it? Thank you. That's a very good question, and I think Councillor Lollivar sent a note to councillors recently to talk about what sorts of things we can do to showcase some of this, to bring it to life, because the language again is kind of high level and you don't understand always what that means. The sorts of devices that we're talking about are things like an example of what we already use, something called just checking. So they can be like sensors and devices in the home that can check whether people might have fallen or they need some assistance, they might have wandered out of their doors, those sorts of things, so that we can know when to respond to some data that shows us some worrying things that might be happening in some of these homes, always with consent when they receive these devices, and then to respond to that need, so to intervene a bit earlier. So what we find at the moment is some people have falls and then we're going into the home and then we're supporting them and they might end up in hospital. Some of these devices are meant to prevent some of that and be proactive and support people earlier. Another example might be things like watches to understand people's different vital signs and understanding what that means for them as an individual. And then some other things like tablets in the home so that people can do interactive speaking. In the pandemic they became a real feature of assistive technology, particularly with social isolation and the workforce being constrained in terms of being able to go out into communities. So some of them are kind of similar to the Amazon sort of devices that you see in day-to-day life, but they're kind of programmed in a different way so that they pick up on health and care needs. This service that we're commissioning we think is, from our knowledge at the moment, the only integrated one in the country from day one. So again, putting the person at the centre, people if they've got a health need or a social care need would receive different devices depending on the assessment, really person-centred assessment about what they need and the things that they need in their lives. And they can be used outside the home as well. It's not about being fixed devices in the home, so it's to enable people to be in the community as well. But we're more than happy to showcase in kind of real life some of those devices and bring back Kit Collingwood, who I'm sure you know as the digital lead in the borough and I are working on this jointly, and we'd be delighted to come back and show in time after it goes live in January some real kind of case studies of the impact. And we've also got some of that in our discovery report as well about learning from elsewhere where this stuff is already in place. Does that help? Thank you. Thank you for the answer, the question and the answer as well. Any further questions? Councillor Testa, you have any questions? Go ahead. Excuse me, thank you Chair. Thanks again for the report, really in depth. It's just a kind of more of a follow-up on what Councillor Merrill was just saying. As she said, reading through it, a lot of it doesn't really make sense or doesn't really say a lot. What I feel is slightly missing in here is some of the results of some of this, because obviously as you just mentioned, it's a three-year journey, a new vision. You're building this up and obviously it's been going for a while. Has any of it started to work and can you give us any more information on the progress of this new vision, please? Thank you. Go ahead, Tim. So a really good example is some of the mental health vision work that I spoke about. So when I came into Greenwich three years ago, we were kind of engaging with residents but not in a really deep way. So what we wanted to do was build the capability and the skills in our teams to do that. So we now have specific officers who have got lived experience that are actually council officers who are going out and doing that work in our communities. And in that mental health vision work, that's built up the range of people that we're now working with. One of the specific things that they were doing was to design the next steps to recommission our supported living mental health provision. And what we've come out of with that is really solid things from our residents that are now being built into continuous improvement processes. So now, today, I can say that the feedback we've had from residents, our voluntary sector providers that provide supported living, have sat literally side by side with those residents and said, what do you understand to be these good supported living services? We're not waiting until they're recommissioned to make those improvements. We're doing that along the journey. So I think some of that evidence would be worth bringing back because then it's not so high level, it's about some specific things in the report. Whilst this was about a kind of three-year journey, some things have happened along the way that we can bring back, maybe in some stories about people. Wouldn't it be lovely if we had some of our residents come and talk about the work that we've been doing with them because they tell me it's very different, the relationship that we have. Some of the best days of my life in work are when I'm sat in a community centre like I was in the mental health vision work with our previous cabinet member and we were doing an exercise about getting to know each other. We were throwing a ball of string across the room and whoever caught that had to say something about them as a person and what they enjoyed in life. We were all in that room together, whether we were residents or officers or people from the voluntary sector working in services or from the NHS or social workers, and it was beautiful. That's what I come here to do, is to be out with our residents. So that journey of actually us being out in the community and not just, we've never as commissioners been sat behind desks, that's never been the sort of thing that my teams have wanted to do because that's not what they come to work to do, but we're doing more of it. And if we don't understand what our residents think they need in terms of the design of these sorts of things in communities, then we can't hold our hands up and say we've given them the best that we can. Yeah, thank you, Councillor Testa, for your question and then the answers that we're giving. You want to come in, Councillor Oliver, go ahead. Yeah, I just wanted to say one thing. I think there's a frustration that I think the work that Lisa's team is doing is really amazing. And I guess I'm frustrated and I apologise myself, but I feel that we've not shown it as well as we could. The journey that the team have gone on has really changed the way that we're working in Greenwich. I think you came in, it was changed around in 2022? I came in when COVID hit. Yeah, so Lisa has been hidden away, I think somewhat, and transforming a team that, as she says, was originally kind of viewed and potentially even working to some extent as just commissioning here, contracting a service here and there. The way the team is working now is so much more strategic, so much more visionary and really joined up. Joined up not only with our NHS colleagues and across the health service, but also across the whole of Greenwich as well. Seeing things like the A-Tech example, that is collaborative work with our tech team to, as Lisa said, introduce a service that we consider to be the first in fully integrated service that a council has ever undertaken. So the work that is going on in that team is truly impressive. And I think what we can do is when we send out those follow-up slides, and hopefully when you've had time to look through it, you can really see that. I don't think that we have seen... I guess the way I can maybe express it is we as members will have casework, we'll see residents coming to us with really complex issues that are coming up again and again. I think what I've definitely seen from Lisa and the team is they are doing that horizon scanning. Not only are they keeping an eye on providers, I want to add to what Councillor Olubemi has pointed out, some that we're concerned about. Keep making sure that our residents are safe, constantly, proactively, quality checking an industry which is somewhat out of our control, but doing everything the best they can. And I think the other element as well is contracting new services, reimagining what they will look like. And I don't think we've had that strategic vision here before, and I think that is what has changed since the team that Lisa has built, is actually going out and speaking to people, taking that vision from individuals, and from what we collect from members, and being like, what is the mental health service that people need, and designing it. And I think that is the big change here that I want to get across to members tonight. Thanks, Councillor Lolliver, for the further clarification and more or less making things how you work within the borough. Yes, we have Councillor Meryl who still wants to ask a question. So thank you for that, Councillor Lolliver. Yeah, so I take that, and I guess that will be really good to hear. I don't know how else to put it, but I believe you. But yeah, I don't feel that was reflected in the report. And perhaps just some straightforward examples just to demonstrate where change has happened. Actually, something much simpler for my empty head would have been much better. So I'm sure that's happened, and it's very good to hear, genuinely. So thank you. Yes, did you want to say something as well? Oh, respond first, and then go ahead. I really appreciate it. It's a complex set of things to try and simplify, and sometimes doing that, you don't get it right, which is absolutely good feedback for us. I think some of the other services that I have that I know members are really interested in often are things like direct payment services, so where people have that sort of support to manage their own care and support. So I also mentioned those in the report. I kind of didn't in the presentation part, but that, again, has been from feedback with residents, and I know those are things that come across casework as well. So I thought it was an important thing to say that some of my teams are much more strategic than others. Some are actually quite operational in that kind of day-to-day work, things like the financial protection and appointeeship team, public funerals. One of my team has had seven compliments this year for the work that she does with families who need us to arrange their funerals when they sadly die with nobody to do that. That sort of thing makes such a difference to our residents' lives, so maybe some of those sorts of things as well might be worth bringing back so that you can see those sorts of case studies for the future. Thanks. Councillor Tester. Yes, thank you, Councillor Oliver. Did I hear right that you said Greenwich was one of the first councils to have done this kind of approach? Sorry? It was just on assistive technology, not the first ever, but the first, we believe, to have a fully integrated approach, which means that the council and the health service are working hand in hand. And again, I think another point just to make, sorry while I've got the mic, I think, again, we should be incredibly proud of our integrated services here in Greenwich. When I speak to people across the UK, not everyone has that set up. It's something that officers have worked very hard to build on both sides, and we're reaping the benefits of it, and the integrated commissioning leases team is part of that. We're building on really strong foundations, which not all councils maybe have. So as it stands, unless anyone launches really soon, we believe when this launches in March 2025, or 2025, I'll say 2025, it will be the first fully integrated, yeah. Yeah. Another further question? So thank you for your questions and also for the answers. I just wanted to quickly mention, I think this is about continuing care. You did speak about continuing care. I'll come to you, that's fine. We know that the NHS, when we got integrated, adult care and health, and especially when COVID got in, people were encouraged to be discharged home. They call it D2A discharge to assess at home rather than stay in the hospital, which was actually blocking beds and making the A&Es to not be able to move because people are blocking beds and the rest. I just want you to possibly comment on how that has worked since you came on the continuing care part of it, because definitely these are people who have very intense conditions. Their conditions are unpredictable. The nature of their conditions can be chronic and there is also complexity about their conditions as well. So how has that worked in our borough here is the first question. The second part also is we spoke about leaving wages, for instance. We know that the NHS and that of social care, a lot of care providers are really, really struggling. Some are leaving the borough or London because they are not able to cope to pay rents and their mortgages, and these are really serious matters. I know you've mentioned that you're paying some cases above the national average. I just want you to comment on what is the situation about the workforce within our borough here and to also make a recommendation that in order to retain staff, sometimes it's not just how much you pay them, but also how much you appreciate them and also to acknowledge their presence. We have a system in inner London, especially Guy's and St Thomas's, when you work for up to five years. We bring you to the front line to say, thank you for working with us for five years. If it is ten years, you get a certificate, you get a medal to put around. These are things that people appreciate so much. They'll put it on their living rooms and the rest. And being the mayor for this place the last term, I have seen that the last long-term service we did were people who served up to 40 and 45 years. If we are not already doing people starting from five, 10, 15 and 20, please let's start doing that because it helps in retention. That was just a kind of suggestion. And then, yeah, so if you can comment on that, please. Thank you. So starting with continuing care for children, continuing healthcare for adults, it's obviously an important thing that we join up on as well. So out of the pandemic, we saw there was a change in the flow of funding and also the way that people were discharged into continuing care. So more people went straight into continuing care and then had to be reviewed and then reassessed for whether they were eligible or not. So that meant that the kind of policies and procedures changed for a short amount of time during the pandemic and then we had to reset those when the national continuing healthcare framework was refreshed in 2022. What we then had to do was work with our adult social care colleagues, our colleagues in the hospitals and community trusts in health for them to understand that shift, again, back to the kind of standards in that framework. So we've done a lot of work, and actually recently Nick Davies and I have been running workshops between our teams in adult social care and other parts of Greenwich in terms of the workforce and our continuing healthcare team, so people can really understand the way that we should be discharging to assess, like you say, making sure people are settled in the community before their long-term needs are assessed. So I think it is working better, and as I said to you, that trend over time in terms of the performance of the team, one of the things that we are measured on is the 28-day assessment target, and we've consistently met that at 100% over the last year. What that indicates to me is that our nurses are going out and supporting those people, as you say, that have got complex needs and different disabilities and needs over time. We also work with the Greenwich community hospice on continuing healthcare, so if people have needs that look like they are turning into end-of-life needs, we are able to fast-track people and get their support so that they are not stuck in hospital, they can hopefully go home or wherever their home is and die where they wish with that support from continuing healthcare fast-track funding. And then we also have people who want more choice, so we have direct payments for people known as personal health budgets, and my internal team that I mentioned earlier on support people with adult social care direct payments or health direct payments or children, so it's again a bit of a joined-up way of improving those continuing healthcare services. And then in terms of the price side of providers and the quality side, we're also making sure that our teams support people to get the best quality provision who are on continuing healthcare as well. So there's been a lot of improvement, and I'm really proud of that team over the last year, and as I said, those performance reports we could come back and speak about if the panel were interested at a later time. In terms of workforce, you make a really good point about London living wage as well, I think, in terms of the difference of living costs in London compared to elsewhere, so we're increasingly trying to build those requirements in to pay at a higher rate, but obviously we need to be able to afford that as well, so the local authority is balancing up that affordability and the funding that we get to pass on into those wages and making sure that they go to the providers that will pass them on. Like you said, recognition is really important, so I've been in different authorities where there are things like care awards. I'd love to see that here. We've had that feedback from our providers. We had some additional money over the last couple of years, known as the Market Sustainability Improvement Fund. What we did with some of that was actually pass that directly to providers to reward people with additional bonuses and things like that. That was monetary, but it was in addition to their normal pay, and actually the reward side of that and the feedback that we got was really lovely because it was people saying that that just gave me the sense that I'm actually as important as other workers like NHS or other, who sometimes people think they're paid more than our care workforce, and in some cases there are those disparities, so we're trying to address that, but those sorts of care awards and things like that, we're running different forums and networks with our providers and the workforce to get their ideas about what they want, and then we'll facilitate trying to put some of that in place. So the likes of you as mayor or others would hopefully in future be able to also speak to our actual care workers, and we can then reward them through those conversations we have with them as well. Thank you. Before I make my final remark, I think we've got a question from... Hello, if you can mention your name and then ask your questions, I think you can come and use one of the... Yes, you can come and use one of that, yes. Thank you. My name is Elizabeth Muncie. I'm here tonight to advocate on behalf of The Source, which is at 65 Septhorpe Road, Horn Park, SE12, and I've also just completed a master's degree at University College London in Creative Health. I'm well able to speak the high-level vocabulary that's being used. The problem here is a lot of this... Based on World Health Organization... The... This diagram on page 55 of the report, it's based on World Health Organization values and principles, not on NHS values and principles, and there's a bit of a conflict. The two frames don't exactly match up. So the ladies delivered a report about how it might look at a community level at a neighbourhood level. The ladies delivered a report about how it might look at a community level, at a neighbourhood level, and we have a service called The Source at 65 Septhorpe Road. There are two three-hour sessions per week delivered by nurse practitioners. A child and athletic community trust are delivering a wellbeing service. They're doing the social prescribing aspect, and the nurse practitioners are doing the make every contact count aspect, and then there's also a sexual health service. The original service model was a full-time model five days a week, and we have fought and fought and fought to get that re-established, but it's not happening. So the question is, why is the Oxleys contract not set up to provide clinical service provision to people under 18? And the response that's come back a number of times from the integrated care board team is that the nurse practitioners don't have sufficient registrations to see that age cohort, which is actually inaccurate because one of them is qualified to do that. It's more to do with the Oxleys contracts structure to do with clinical risk insurance and stuff like that. Cannot get a transparent answer about that. So we're about to move into an extremely difficult winter. There are huge benefit changes going ahead. A lot of people are being moved onto Universal Credit or won't be eligible to move from legacy benefits onto Universal Credit. There's problems for people like me who are permanently crippled. I now live in Woolwich. I'm registered with Triveni PMS, which means that I'm permitted to use the source. It's anybody registered with a Greenwich GP. And I am unable to get an appointment with my GP practice when I telephone in the morning. When I use the online web form, most recently I had to wait five days to get a response from my GP to ring back, and I'm actually quite seriously unwell. I'm just seeing the cardiologist up at the Queen Elizabeth now. I'm quite young to be like this. And it's just unfortunate that for people like me, life is incredibly hard right now. So it's very frustrating to hear all this report and no mention of the fact that there's already a service available in the community and it's not being properly used. It's not talking to the start well aspect. It's not talking to the be well aspect or the feel well aspect. So it's just so frustrating. And that's why I'm asking tonight to bring it back to the attention of the panel, because we came in February to talk about this quite extensively and we were expecting the integrated care board team to respond tonight, and it's not on the agenda at all. Okay. Your first name is Elizabeth, is that right? Yes, my name's Elizabeth Muncy. We've also been to Horn Park Primary School quite a bit. They are desperate to get their parents and carers of young people over to the source to see the nurse practitioner. In a timely fashion, it stops people who are on these short-term job contracts losing time at work. It's stopping people becoming iller than they need to be. So it's very frustrating. Thanks for your question. I will ask Councillor Lola Watu to speak before Lisa. It was just one point on the report specifically. So we have kind of clear guidelines on when the reports get commissioned about what the focus is. I just wanted to provide reassurance that there is a neighbourhood report or a neighbourhood plan report. I think it's due in January next year. It's next year, yes. We're next year. We'll be looking at all of the neighbourhood work that's taking place within Greenwich, which includes the Horn Park work. So that will be covered in that report. I just wanted to make that point clear and then I'll let Lisa go into the detail. Lisa, you can respond. Thank you. Thank you. I've had some communication with some colleagues today and over the week because I wanted to come with some responses because I was made aware of your questions, Elizabeth, and I'm sorry to hear that you've had those challenges. The first thing to say is that I understand that the source is being slightly amended in terms of the opening hours, so I think your point about the number of hours a week that are opening now I think is due to change so that that's increased. The other point that you made about Lewisham access, that's also being addressed through the leasing arrangements in the building so that the way that the NHS services work at the moment is, as you quite rightly say, you have to be registered with a GP in Greenwich, but we're making sure that those partnerships work so that people have that wider access with other services coming in to meet people's needs that might be coming over from that Lewisham border. So that information has been shared with me, and I understand we'll come back with some more detail on that. And also your point about the under-18 access, I understand, is being addressed as well. The technicalities of that I'm not qualified to talk about. Obviously, we'd need to get a further response about that, but I've received that information, I think, to suggest that the improvements that you're seeking are actually in train in terms of the improvements. So we're also looking to improve the environment of that building to make sure there's more consulting rooms and that there's more space. It's obviously in the confidential nature that it's needed, which should also open up the ability for those more sessions a week. So I hope that reassures you somewhat, and obviously there's more information that we can bring back on that as part of the neighbourhood report as well. Yeah, Sarah, you wanted to say something as well? Yeah, before the resident comes back. So I have lived this experience of the source for the past few years as well, and clearly I know Roger quite well, and I know that the Member of Parliament Clive Efford, of course, has been very involved in this, and this has always run in complete odds with all the aspirations that have come before us as a council and to this committee. So I don't really have anything to add to that, but to say that I do completely concur with everything that Elizabeth has said, because it is something that I know has been a huge campaign for a long time, and it's not helpful to say this at this point, but I will just add, we could never understand over there in the Eltham part of the borough why this was ever, ever taken out of service in the first place. It was the strangest thing because it was so valuable. The Member of Parliament always said it was because it cost too much because the health needs of people who have very low incomes, and this is what the Member of Parliament said. They wanted, doctor surgeries, et cetera, wanted to move to wealthier areas that would, quite frankly, be less expensive. That's a line that's been used quite a lot, I know. So you're right, everything that happens around the sources, completely at odds with all the aspirations, certainly in what I read tonight and what comes forward. That's not directed at you, Lisa, directly, but it is just very true. And then after all that campaigning, it only came back for like how many hours a week? This is definitely going to be... Yeah, go ahead. Part of the email that I sent earlier in the week was that the nurse practitioners are still working off of a modem Wi-Fi hotspot because the internet connection is so unstable. It wasn't about public access or guest access. It was about the fact that the nurse practitioners have no stable internet connection while they're running the clinical services. They're actually having to use mobile Wi-Fi hotspots. Okay, yeah, Lisa, you want to? And second comeback was, unfortunately, Mr. Gartland is still grieving the death of his wife, and I'm still grieving the death of my mother, and we haven't been as active in the last few months as we should have been because we're just saying we are here. It's a fantastic little service model. If it could be rolled out in the rest of the borough, it would be so helpful, particularly with what's coming up this winter, not just with the pensioners, but with everybody who's being moved off of income-based benefits onto Universal Credit and finding that they're no longer eligible or they've missed the deadline for applying. People are going to be starving, literally starving. It's really frightening. Yeah, Lisa, you can. One part of the response that I had today was about the internet connectivity as well, and as part of those improvements to the building that is being addressed so that, quite rightly, as you say, the staff in there can have the access that they need. So I can assure you that that is part of that plan. And, you know, any of that feedback, once it's in place, those improvements, we'd obviously want to make sure that we get the feedback from residents about the impact that it's having, hopefully more positively than it has been. And I'd just like to say a massive thank you to Kelly-Anne Ibrahim from the council, who's successfully set up a home park residents group in the last few months. And they've already managed to successfully get one pot of funding. Now that we've got a residents committee, we're probably going to be able to get a bigger pot of funding because we literally don't have a community meeting space on the estate anymore. But that's separate from the source. Thank you. And I think your question was very helpful. These are the practicalities of the day we're talking about, things that are happening. And, of course, you'll get a further detailed answer on the next panel because that will be on the 23rd of January, where we'll be discussing also neighbourhood health plans. So we will make sure that that is inculcated there so that you'll have the answers there as well. But I will swiftly go back to item number six, which was just to conclude, to thank you, Lisa, for the report. Or did you want to say something before? Go ahead. Thank you, Chair. Yes, that's why I had to raise my hand all the way up. Lisa, if you could just consider as well the under 18. I don't know if you captured that. Why, especially if the practitioner there is licensed to work with under 18, that would be very helpful as well, please. Especially when you think of the question I asked earlier about young people and mental health and data. So this is something we need to look into. Thank you, Lisa. Lisa, go ahead, yes. Yeah, the under 18 issue is being looked into. I think there was an issue about the registration that was talked about by Elizabeth. I think it's from this response that I got that service delivery for children and young people is part of the improvements that are underway. Yeah, so I was just thanking you for the report and also the answers you've given to panel members. Definitely we've heard from Councillor Olubemi regarding the supported living contract monitoring and workforce. Those comments are things you possibly have to look at. Definitely also the report has a lot of information, but as panel members have mentioned, if it is made simpler and also more or less in a bullet form or with examples and evidences that you have, with the journey that you've spoken about, it will be very helpful, these subsequent ones. And of course you did give good examples of assisted technology. This is something that, as you have mentioned, I happen to work in that area where we deal with people when they leave hospital to go home. And I think that this is one area that is saving the NHS a lot of money and also making people independent in their own homes, which is really something that we have to be proud of what you have done about that. Of course, Councillor Testa did speak about the results as well. The journey, there were a lot of things that have happened. Elizabeth was just giving us the good examples of things that have worked well and why it should be rolled over. These are the evidences and the results that need to be captured in future reports. And also to just sign up to say thank you for coming to answer all these questions, but then we want to make sure that if there are follow-ups, we will want to see these evidences so that members, and sometimes, as you rightly put it, if there was a resident here who has benefited any of these, it is in the form of a case study or someone who has benefited it that will get up to say this is exactly what we're talking about. And that will normally be helpful to panel members, I think, from what we've been hearing this evening. So thanks again for what you've done and thank you, Elizabeth, for your question as well. Okay. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, okay. That is noted as well. Thank you very much. So thanks for that. I think you have finished your agenda or your topic tonight and thank you for coming. And Councillor Lolliver, thank you also for supporting and coming to also support the director for what we are doing or what you are doing in the borough. I think we have already dealt with item 7. So item 8 will be the commissioning future reports. When we had the pre-meeting, the next meeting is supposed to be on the 23rd of January 2022. When we met the last time, we did suggest some few items, about four items, which were all captured. The only one that has not been captured has been the ICB, the financial aspect of it. So the next agenda, we have two. Luckily, we have two agendas. And we want to make sure that I think panel members unanimously agreed that we would like to hear from ICB regarding how health money is being spent. And I think that that was what we agreed, isn't it? So on the 23rd, that's what we will all be communicating with the directors to see how best the scope can be captured. And I believe, if Mark Murray wouldn't mind, you can just send into detail the area of concern. If you pass it on to our brother Nasir here, our officer, he will be able to pass it on to the directors and it will get to ICB, so that they will hit on what we want to hear, so that we can ask these relevant questions. Did somebody raise their hand? Yes, go ahead. Thank you, Chair. Thank you for explaining that, and that's a really helpful way forward. So just to be explicit, the proportion of the overall spend on health that goes to mental health has gone down this year, as it has done many times. And what I'm proposing, and as I understand it, what we're agreeing to do is that the people who set that budget should come here and talk to us about why they've made those decisions and presumably what the consequences of those decisions are and what might happen in the future. Thank you, Chair. You are very clear on that, isn't it? So yes, that is taken. In the absence of anything, I will say thank you for coming and have a blessed evening. Thank you.
Summary
The meeting received presentations about mental health provision in the borough from the Director of Community Mental Health and Learning Disability Services at Oxleas NHS Foundation Trust, and about social care provision in the borough, and the commissioning of those services, from the Integrated Director of Commissioning for Adults in Greenwich. Both presentations were noted. During the discussion of commissioning, panel members stressed the importance of plain english in reports, providing specific examples of successful initiatives, and of celebrating the work of frontline social care staff.
Mental Health
Lorraine Regan, the Director of Community Mental Health and Learning Disability Services at Oxleas NHS Foundation Trust made a presentation about mental health services in Greenwich.
She said that there has been a 37% increase in the number of people accessing secondary mental health care services since 2020. She said that around 1% of these patients attend the emergency department at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital each month.
She said that the demand for services provided by Oxleas' ADAPT team has been particularly high. The ADAPT service works with people who have Anxiety, Depression, Personality Disorder, and Trauma.
She described a range of initiatives that have been undertaken to try to reduce the number of people referred to secondary mental health care. These include:
- The introduction of Mental Health Hubs, which aim to bridge the gap between primary and secondary care by providing a
no wrong door
access point for mental health services, and a holistic approach to assessing and meeting patient's needs. - The provision of Mental Health Practitioners in Primary Care Networks to provide expertise in GP surgeries, relieving pressure on GPs, and building relationships between primary care and mental health services.
- The redesign of the ADAPT pathway to provide a clearer core treatment offer, and a time-limited service that aims to avoid patients being contained in services without treatment.
She said that clinicians have been refocused to deliver treatment, and that anecdotal evidence suggests this has been well-received by patients, because people like certainty. They like to know that they've got a clear plan for their job.
She said that the biggest causes of concern to clinicians are housing and drug and alcohol issues, because they are the most tricky to deal with.
She described how the Time to Talk service has been working to improve access to mental health care for specific communities, including faith groups, and said that work was underway to reduce the over-representation of young Black men in crisis services.
Integrated Commissioning
Lisa Wilson, the Integrated Director of Commissioning for Adults in Greenwich, gave a presentation about the commissioning of adult social care in Greenwich.
She said that Greenwich Council's health and social care budget is around £300 million per year, and that this excludes staffing and in-house services.
She described the Council's vision for the commissioning of adult social care as being about transformational change in the way we deliver our services
for residents. She described this as a move from buying services to working with partners, addressing inequalities, and delivering the services that residents want. She said that this change had been informed by residents, staff and partners, and that it was important to get to the communities that are not being represented in our services at the moment.
She gave the following examples of successful initiatives:
- The Joint Carers Strategy was developed by working closely with carers to understand their needs. This has led to initiatives such as the Greenwich Carers Centre and the Carers Partnership Board.
- The new Assistive Technology Enabled Care (ATEC) service will provide digital technology devices to enable people to continue to live independently at home. This includes things like sensors to detect falls and devices to monitor vital signs. She said that the new service was unique because it was
integrated from day one,
meaning that people will get access to the support they need, whether it's a health need or a social care need. She said that residents were closely involved in the design of the service, and that she will invite Kit Collingwood, the Digital Lead in the borough, to return to the Panel in January to share case studies about the service's impact.
She said that the Council's vacancy rate in adult social care was 8%, lower than the national average, and that 48% of its care workforce come from outside the EU, indicating a high level of diversity in the workforce. She said that work is underway to ensure that care workers are paid a fair wage, including increasing the use of the London Living Wage in council contracts.
Panel members said that although the Council's vision for social care was really amazing
it had not shown it as well as we could,
because the report had presented high-level aspirational statements without backing them up with evidence. For example, the statement that the Council's health and wellbeing strategy takes a life-course approach with a focus on enabling our residents to live well and experience their best lives
was described as meaningless, because it doesn't actually say anything. Panel members requested that future reports include more plain english,
specific examples of work that has been done, and stories from residents who have benefitted from the council's work.
A member of the public, Elizabeth Muncy, asked why the Source at 65 Septhorpe Road in Horn Park was only open for six hours a week, despite strong demand from the community. She described how parents and carers were desperate for access to timely services that stop people becoming iller than they need to be.
She said that the service, which is delivered by Oxleas, is only open to patients registered with a Greenwich GP and that there appears to be no provision for under 18s, despite the presence of a qualified nurse practitioner. She described how practitioners are working without reliable internet access, and how she had struggled to get an appointment with her own GP.
Councillor Lolavar said that neighbourhood health plans will be reviewed by the Panel at its next meeting on 23 January 2025, and that this will be an opportunity to get more detail about what is happening at the Source.
Ms Wilson responded that the service is being redesigned in response to resident feedback and that this includes increasing the number of hours the service is open for, working to enable residents of Lewisham to access it, ensuring reliable internet access, and providing more consulting rooms.
Ms Muncy said that the service should also be made accessible to under 18s, to address the poor mental health of young people, and that there was a need for more community space on the Horn Park estate.
Ms Wilson said that under-18s will be considered as part of the redesign of the service. She also described how the service had been used to support people who had been brought to the country under certificates of sponsorship to work in social care, and that the Council was working with the police and the Salvation Army to ensure that these workers are properly supported, and are not being exploited.
Commissioning of Future Reports
The Chair noted that the Panel had previously requested an item about the financial decisions made by the South East London Integrated Care Board (SEL ICB), and asked Councillor Mark Murray to provide more detail about what the Panel wants to know so that it can be discussed at the next meeting on 23 January 2025.
Councillor Murray said that the proportion of the overall health budget spent on mental health has gone down, and that he wants the ICB to explain why they have made this decision, what the consequences will be, and what their future plans are.
Attendees
- Christine May
- Christine St. Matthew-Daniel
- Dr Dominic Mbang
- Mariam Lolavar
- Matthew Morrow
- Nick Williams
- Roger Tester
- Sarah-Jane Merrill
- ‘Lade Hephzibah Olugbemi
- Integrated Commissioning Director for Adult Services
Documents
- 5.1 Appendix A - Oxleas update on Mental Health
- 6. Integrated Commissioning Update
- 8.0 - Commissioning of Future Reports
- Agenda frontsheet 07th-Nov-2024 18.30 Health and Adult Social Care Scrutiny Panel agenda
- Public reports pack 07th-Nov-2024 18.30 Health and Adult Social Care Scrutiny Panel reports pack
- 3. Declarations of Interest other
- 3.1 Outside Body Memberships
- 4.0 - Minutes other
- 5. Mental Health Update
- 8.1 - HASC Scrutiny Meeting Schedule
- Health and Adult Services Acronyms