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Felly mae'r cyfnod cyntaf 18 September wedi'i hyfforddi. Felly mae'r cyfnod wedi'i hyfforddi i ddod o'r cyfnod honno a cyngor o gyrwyddo gwybodaeth cyntaf.
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Er enghraifft, oherwydd ymddygiad ymddygiad yng Nghymru.
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Man לא�b Solde norpoint hi am hynny.
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Dyna rai, dyna rhai.
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Mae'r Fen Never Angosid ydw i emwelf ?
Pen ni ychydig yn ibi dylai 12 Occational Youth asleep course and gym YUIs sefydliad scenes.
Pen ni ychydig yn ibi ar easel 12 Occational Youth, i gyrraedd dysgu'r trin te ddyn ni ychydig ddŵr
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Can you keep it nice and short, everyone? Please, Saeed.
Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to recap last meeting.
I think we asked several times, has there been any transfer of funds?
And we was confirmed that there wasn't any transfer of funds.
And if we're being told that there has been transfer of funds now,
so there's been no transfer of funds.
And there isn't really a delivery apart from a register of
some amount of interested attendees that would potentially be 25 children here, I guess,
that have been registered. Nothing more than that.
And the programme hasn't been delivered.
The risk isn't as significant as I thought it would have been.
That's what I would say, Mayor.
Thank you. I'm grateful to you.
I'll bring you in, sir. Mr Deputy Mayor, do you want to say anything?
Yes.
Please, you can come in.
Thank you, Mr Mayor. I mean, I agree with my colleagues what they've said,
but I mean, I just want to kind of, I'm looking at page six.
It looks like there's scheme A, B, B, I'm looking at those.
I mean, it's, where are we now? November now.
And they haven't submitted the April to June monitoring.
So, according to page six I'm looking at, I know one of the reasons you've given is sickness,
but I just want an update on those. Until today, I haven't received anything.
Okay.
Please, Mr Mayor.
Yeah, so those are the AMBA projects, isn't it?
Quaker Social Action, where the return hadn't been submitted, distributed to staff sickness.
Yeah, so they have now submitted that.
Well, they submitted that on the 6th of September, which was late,
but they did submit it and they have submitted now the July to September one.
So they're back on track.
The platform cricket one is the one that is still issues with getting their monitoring returns in.
So that is, at the moment, that's at risk of coming back to the next meeting with either a third consecutive AMBA
or even red if that doesn't get resolved.
So we're working to try and resolve that.
So of those three, Young and Talented and Quaker Social Action, back on track,
looking to be rated green next time and the platform cricket as it stands as of today,
they're still a concern.
Evaluation is the most important thing and I think I would be worried.
I would be worried.
I mean, I've worked with a third sector organisation.
I've done a lot of work.
I think we need to kind of, I think we've given them enough opportunity.
So I think we need to make a decision on those and also about the Limehouse.
I think it's just, I agree with my colleagues.
I think we need to come to a decision today and go for the second, I think it's the second option.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Sorry, do you want to say something, sir?
Yes, I just want to come back and say that there has been some delivery on the Limehouse Welfare Association in July.
So they delivered in July and then it was the summer break and then they started up again in September.
But they were aware, because this report had been published ahead of the 18th September meeting,
that this is an option that they could, the funding could be withdrawn.
We haven't paid them any money if they've chosen to sort of run it at risk and try and deliver to sort of like, you know, prove that they can.
They did in July, that was just for, you know, four weeks of sessions.
So, you know, there will be some impact, which is why we're saying, you know, we'd look for the provision.
But the risk in terms of the viability of the project, the organisation is a concern.
So, you know, either option we will deliver and resolve that.
OK, thank you.
Go on.
So one more thing, just on the Limehouse, I think.
So you said there's one man bad.
So, I mean, what have we done?
As our officers or your team, what have we done to kind of, you know, look into this and see?
Because I would be worried if it's the one man running the show.
So I'm sure there is a risk there.
So I just wanted to know, you know, what we've done.
Yes, so one of the things that we've tried to do is encourage the organisation, you know, the individual we're dealing with,
to have the organisation look for, you know, other means of support, look for.
So, for example, our small grants programme has a capacity building team and they have a small organisation.
They could apply for that to get a consortium to work on business planning and training for the management committee to get more involved.
That's been open since December.
They've not taken that up.
They've not applied.
And that sort of makes you think, well, if they haven't got the capacity to even apply for funding that's available to help improve their organisation and build their capacity.
So, you know, there is a risk then of the project we're delivering.
You know, this is a big programme.
This isn't, you know, a small grant.
This is delivering a service.
So they're, you know, as I say, they've tried to deliver and they have identified children and have had some lessons.
But this programme is going up to March 2027.
So if we continue to fund them, we will have to be spending a lot of time supporting them.
And, you know, that's sort of weighing the, you know, is it worth trying to get them to help build up their organisation when they haven't yet taken the opportunities that are there to do that?
Thank you.
Thank you, grateful to you.
Very quick please, Mayu.
I mean, yeah, thank you for that.
I mean, yes, we as a council, we support our third sector, but we can't.
I mean, day to day running of an organisation, day to day, we can't get involved into that.
And if it's one person and if they're not taken on the offers about capacity building and so on, then I think there's a huge risk, you know, there's a lot of money there.
And even if they can't even start off the service and we don't want to be in a position where we've released funds and then we're in a position to get it back.
Thank you, thank you.
Councillor Coby-Ahmad.
No, it's all right.
I can just move on.
I think we've covered it, but just one point.
I would just flag up to the officers.
If organisations like that are in the big programme, who should be in a small programme, I would question, like, are rigorous checks that need to continue going forward as well?
Because looking at, if they are struggling with capacity, generally, like you say, they would have applied for the capacity building programme, right?
Because there are councils providing all those supports to organisations like yourself, for them to actually build the capacity and then continue delivering the big programmes that they want to do so.
It's not like the council is saying that small organisations can't come and compete with big ones.
They can, but they need to take up the opportunity.
But here, there's too many red flags and they're red on the report and I think the decision is quite simple.
Thank you for those comments and thank you, officer, for your comments.
Can I just ask, just please, how many, so they were non-operational for some eight months, you said, when they were continuously red, and they carried out some work during the last few months or few weeks.
How many children attended those sessions, those Bengali and Arabic sessions?
Yes, so this is one of the things about this type of project, because they've registered 25 people or children, but it depends if the children turn up.
Do we know how many children turned up, actually turned up?
Having, sorry, you're having X number of children on your books is one thing, but during a session, have we done any checks, any spot checks, how many children turned up?
Yes, so I attended with the grant officer on an unannounced visit in July, a couple of weeks after they'd started delivery and there were seven children in that session.
The tutor couldn't make that session, so they got a substitute in to deliver.
Now, to be fair, the children did seem engaged and it was happening and myself and the grant officer stayed there for, I think, an hour and a half, I think it was a two hour session, so we stayed there.
So that's the example, the officer went to a few of the sessions well unannounced and so they were happening, but they weren't full, 20 people every session.
So I think in the report in Appendix 5, there is information and we talk about the number of attendances, but as I say, going off my own experience of actually seeing how many were attending a session.
So it's the difference between having a project where you've signed up people who were attending every week and you're having an outcome of that consistent learning programme and saying this is available.
You can turn up, so OK, they register them, but if they don't turn up, they don't turn up. So that's another factor.
Thank you, you're very clear. I think two points. On this organisation, public money is extremely important and should be used for the purpose for which it was awarded.
And obviously there is a process, vigorous process, that an organisation goes through before an amount is awarded. There must be continued justification for awarding that money or any money to an organisation.
If it took an organisation some eight months to get up and running, even then from understanding from you that it's a one person organisation rather than a management committee as such, a student running around, that causes you concerns as an officer.
Which is rightfully so, causes us concern because, God forbid, if that officer is not available or it's hung well, the organisation effectively may just come to a standstill.
Those courses obviously are very important. We want community languages to be taught to our youngsters so they're fluent in multi languages, makes them much more able-bodied when they grow up.
Absolutely, I'd give them the support that they require. But as the councillors have expressed, one man organisation, hardly a management committee, eight months without functioning.
Now, although 25 children are on the books when you did your unannounced visit, only seven children were there and even then a substitute teacher was available.
So it gives us concern that the viability of the organisation, you're concerned as an officer going forward. In view of that, and I think councillors have made a quite clear view, in view of that we believe option two is the best option.
We're drawing funding from that organisation. However, if they have genuinely spent some money and incurred costs, we should apportion that cost and give them that money.
But please do test it and make sure that cost has been incurred, but no further money should be awarded. I just want to request that. Is that okay? Is that okay? Yep.
And the one or two other organisations that you have as officer or you have concerns with, can you please bring us an appropriate paper to us for the next meeting for us to take a view on that?
And third point, as the Deputy Mayor said, you know, monitoring, vigorous monitoring, evaluation, value for money, it's extremely important to you as officer, to us as members and this council.
We want every single penny to be rightfully used and it's got to be value for money. And please, sir, we request you, the monitoring must be stepped up, the evaluation must be stepped up and there is room for improvement.
We improve ourselves, we help the organisation to improve, but we are not here. This isn't a programme to hold their hands. That's another programme, capacity building. It's not this. This is a mainstream grant.
This is for the purpose they were awarded the grant and if you believe the money's not been awarded and it's not value for money, then you must give us a view to take.
Is that okay? With that, can we accept the recommendation? I think Councillor Cobb will want to make a comment.
I wanted to ask one additional thing for future reports. Can we have when the spot checks were last done within the reports as a monitoring tool when the reports are presented to us?
And how many spot checks were done whether they were announced or unannounced and what the difference you saw between the two, announced and unannounced, would be interesting. Is that okay? Thank you.
It's more for Thomas, Chair. I just recalled, the Limehouse organisation, they've come to our surgery one or two times and we referred them to our officers.
Limehouse Welfare Association. That's fine. So option two when it comes to Limehouse Welfare Association but the provision that if they incurred any cost that must be paid and the other comments going forward with the future for other organisations. Is that okay?
With those comments please, can we move forward? We have no other business as far as I know. Thank you to all the officers, thank you to the members, grateful to you. Thank you.