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Please be seated.
Good evening, councillors,
officers
and members of public
and viewers online.
Before the commencement of business,
I would like to start the council meeting
with a minute's quiet reflection
to provide time
for thought and contemplation.
Thank you.
Apologies have been received from councillors Cook and McLeod. Are there any other apologies?
Councillor Humphries, please.
Councillor HUMFRIES.
Councillor HUMFRIES.
Thank you, Madam Mayor. Another one from Councillor Dillasse-Jour.
Councillor Dillasse-Jour.
noted thank you item number one the minutes of the meeting held on 16th October 2024 have been
circulated are there any objections or abstentions to me signing the minutes as a correct record
thank you in the absence of any I would take that as agreed thank you item number two is the mayor's
announcements so good evening again and welcome to this council meeting it is my honor and privilege
to chair this session as the mayor of Wandsworth I would like to extend a warm welcome to all members
who have gathered here today your dedication and commitment to our community is truly commendable
and I am grateful for your continued efforts to make Wandsworth a better place for everyone
as we approach the festive season it is time it is a time for reflection and celebration
Christmas is a special time of year that brings families and communities together
it is a season of joy love and giving where we have the opportunity to appreciate
the blessings in our lives and share them with others
this year has been challenging for countless people around the world
many have faced difficulties and uncertainty uncertainties but we have also witnessed the
incredible strength and resilience of the human spirit and also of the local community here in Wandsworth
in times of hardship it is the spirit of togetherness and support that helps us overcome obstacles
and emerge and emerge stronger Christmas reminds us of the importance of family and the bonds that unite us
it is a time to cherish our loved ones to reach out to those who may be alone and to extend a helping
hand to those in need let us embrace the positive message of this season by fostering a sense of unity
and compassion within our community as we gather here today let us take a moment to acknowledge the hard work and dedication of our council members
your efforts have been instrumental in addressing the needs of our residents and ensuring that Wandsworth continues to thrive
together we have made a significant progress and I am confident that we will continue to achieve greater things in the coming year
to conclude I would like to wish each and every one of you a joyous and peaceful Christmas and a happy new year
may this festive season bring you happiness good health and the warmth of family friends and community
let us carry the spirit of Christmas in our hearts throughout the year and continue to work for the betterment of our community
I have invited all members to my Christmas celebration in the Marble Hall next Friday the 20th and I look forward to seeing you there
in addition there will be refreshments for all members in the Marble Hall at the conclusion of this meeting to mark the final full council meeting of the year
thank you and let us proceed with the meeting
Madam Mayor
thank you for that
Merry Christmas
sorry I'm so sorry just I haven't finished my announcement
oh sorry
sorry
thank you
on tonight's agenda
can members please note that a number of supplementary items
have been circulated and these are required to be considered as a matter of urgency
the reasons are set out in full at the top of those items
is that agreed
thank you
please could all speakers keep to time and wind up your speeches
when the red light comes on
and when the red light comes on
you will have 30 seconds remaining to wind up
this is to allow as many counts
as many as possible of all councillors to participate
that is the end of my announcements
Madam Mayor I was too enthusiastic to wish you a Merry Christmas from all of us
sorry about that
Madam Mayor I would like to under Standing Order 36
move to suspend Standing Order 11A15
thank you very much
I second that Madam Mayor
Council Laps
yeah
Standing Order 36
I suspend Standing Order 11A15
thank you
just spared me one moment
Mr. Chow do you read it for everyone
for transparency
thank you councillors
I understand that councillor
Apps is seeking to suspend the operation
of Standing Order 11A15
forgive me a moment
forgive me a moment
it relates to the provision for members asking a question to the leader and the supplementary
and the priority given to the original questioner
councillor Apps you're asking to suspend specifically which provision of that
so that we can continue in the way that we have done in every previous meeting
since these questions have been in place
which is that the first supplementary goes to the questioner
and the second supplementary goes to the other side
it's something that's been in working practice for a long time under our council
so we wish to continue with that
until we've had discussions with the opposition
about making some democratic reviews
which will work well for us all
thank you councillor Abb
can we go to the vote
so all those in favour
all those against
32-4-22 against
the motion
is carried
thank you
points of order
understanding order number 16
madam mayor
we've just heard about the conventions
of this council
this morning all councillors will have seen
the email I sent to the chief executive
raising questions
about the constitutionality
of items 8 and 14
and in particular
item 14
involves a financial decision
to give councillors
additional allowances this year
backdated to April
sorry
to which they were not entitled automatically
and yet raises as a point of information
when there is no delegated authority to officers
to introduce a new scheme
in that way
I have tried to raise
and I've not had an answer
from the chief executive
the issues with these two items
we have no ruling
on whether they are constitutionally valid
it is my reading
it is the reading of others
on our side
that these are both unlawful
and it is regrettable
that there has been no attempt
to resolve this
before this meeting
and it is now in need
of your ruling madam mayor
as to whether these items should remain
because in my view
and the view of others
both items
cannot proceed in their way
and be lawful
and should be withdrawn
I'm going to pass it on to Mr Chowdhury
to answer this
so madam mayor
I'll give advice
and it'll be a matter
for all members to determine
councillor Graham
I think your focus is on the paper
that is at the end of the agenda
which is a paper from myself
as director of law and governance
in relation to the allowances scheme
that paper is brought before this chamber
pursuant to the provision
in the council members allowance scheme
which is very clear
on the application of an annual increase
to members allowance
for the benefit of members
I'll read the specific provision
which is at paragraph 40
which states
that the allowances set out in the scheme
shall be increased annually
by the same percentage increase
as the annual negotiated
local government pay settlement
for London
this inflation index
shall apply for the next four years
unless subsequently advised
otherwise by the independent panel
or another recommendation
approved by the council
where the only change
to the scheme in any year
is that affected
by such an annual adjustment
in accordance with this index
the scheme shall be deemed
not to have been amended
uprated
uprated allowance rates
when inflation is applied
shall apply automatically
without further committee
or council approval
that's the end of the provision
in the scheme
members it's pursuant to that provision
in the allowance scheme
that this
that the scheme has been uprated
and it's pursuant to that provision
where the only change in any year
is an annual adjustment
in accordance with the index
the scheme shall be deemed
not to have been amended
accordingly
the paper before members
this evening
is for information
rather than approval
and entirely in accordance
with the provision
within the scheme
which is part of the constitution
that has been approved
by this council
Madam Mayor
I do not wish to prolong debate
I will simply say however
that the monitoring officer's own paper
contradicts what he has just said
which is that indexation
does not apply
because there is a fixed
some settlement
and not a percentage settlement
Madam Mayor
it's not allowable
for a member
just to move in this way
and can I move
standing order 25
to move to next business please
we need to get on
and hear the leader of the council
to answer people
we're on an item of order
councillor
so your standing order
has no purchase
I do not wish
to prolong the debate
however
the monitoring officer's own paper
contradicts what he says
the paper
in terms of its advice
issued by London councils
contradicts
what he has just said
I appreciate
that there is no way
of having these detailed points
settled in this chamber
that is precisely why
there should have been a reply
Madam Mayor
can we please
the will of this chamber
as mentioned before
the report
is not for debate
it is for information only
Madam Mayor
there is no legal basis
for that
you can't just say that
the provision has just been read out
the provision has just been read out
so
which has just contradicted
what the monitoring officer
has previously said
so I don't think we should have it
in the debate at all
it is contradictory evidence
can you please show me
where it is not meant
to be allowed then
Madam Mayor
Mr Graham has just said
it is contradicted
to what the monitoring officer
himself has said earlier
I mean the provision
has clearly been read out
the provision is one of indexation
which requires a percentage figure
there is no percentage figure
Madam Mayor
we need to move on
it is not difficult
we are in danger
of actually breaching
one of our other standing orders
which relates to the protection
of staff
Madam Mayor
you asked a direct question
Madam Mayor
can we please move on
to the questions
to the leader
please
I would like to help
Madam Mayor with her question
Madam Mayor
you asked a question
which was
given the provision
that the Montrose had read out
what was the problem
we are told
this paper is for information only
but the paper itself
says on its face
hereby authorises
so it is either
it is for information
or it is a decision
to be authorised
if it is a decision
to be authorised
then the risk is
the council is about
to authorise
a payment of money
to councillors
without a proper
legal basis
that is really concerning
and why they should have
come to committee
not this chamber
because we could have
sorted out these issues
and not been in this position
had that happened
thank you
so as mentioned before
this is only for information
and it is not open
for a debate
if councillors
are unhappy
about this
they are welcome
to vote
accordingly
there will be
there will be
if you have read
the papers
it is part of the
it is part of the
because we have not
even moved on
to number three
Madam Mayor
could you please
rule to move on
with the business
we would be
very grateful
thank you
I would like to invite
Mr Chahadu
for the final provision
thank you
thank you Madam Mayor
contrary to
what has been
put before
the chamber
the position
is entirely clear
the provision
is in the scheme
councillors may
disagree with my
advice
but my advice
remains
it is not
an amendment
it is within
the provision
for an annual
increase
which this
council
in agreeing
the scheme
adopted
and therefore
it is part
of the constitutional
provision
and entirely
in order
for this
council
to receive
Madam Mayor
I would add
that
given
the
challenge
that is
before this
chamber
this evening
I would add
that very
exceptionally
and I do not
do this
as a matter
of course
I have also
sought external
advice from
pleading council
today by telephone
and that advice
is entirely clear
that the provision
the provision
relied upon
in the report
is lawful
and it is
entirely appropriate
for this matter
to be reported
to council
Madam Mayor
I can only regret
that council's
advice is provided
thank you Mr Chowdhury
on item number
three
are there any
members who have
any declarations
of disclosable
pecuniary interests
sorry please
can we keep
thank you
are there
registrable interests
or any
non-registrable interests
relevant to any
matters to be
considered at the
meeting
councillor Cooper
thank you
madam mayor
it's not a
pecuniary interest
but as I am
the London
assembly member
for Merton
and Wandsworth
just in case
there are any
references to
any part of
the greater
London authority
I'd like it
registered
that that is
the case
thank you
thank you
councillor Cooper
anybody else
thank you
on item number
four
members please
raise your hands
to indicate if
you have a
petition to hand
in
once I have
called your
name
please announce
the subject
title of the
petition
and who you
are presenting
on behalf of
please then
come forward
and hand
your petition
to Mr Kelly
are there
any petitions
councillor
Birchall
thank you
madam
mayor
I have a
petition from
residents
of
Orfolk
Road
Nottingham
Road
Weiston
Road
to
reinstate
the visibility
of parking
restriction
signage
around their
resident
their area
and we have
quite a few
about 50
people have
signed
thank you
thank you
councillor
Birchall
councillor
Peter
Graham
sorry
mrs
Birchall
would you
like to
bring
thank you
very much
councillor
Graham
thank you
madam
I have
a petition
signed
by nearly
400
people
calling
on the
council
to remove
Springfield
Park
from its
brownfield
register
entry
and to
challenge
the
GLA's
advice
that the
park
constitutes
previously
developed
land
and is
suitable
for
development
councillor
thank you
councillor
Graham
councillor
mrs
Graham
thank you
madam
mayor
this is
a
flowersmead
petition
flowersmead
residents
in
Trinity
want
to have
suffered
from a
number
of
dreadful
burglaries
women
fearful
of walking
through
the
estate
at night
drug
dealing
fly
tipping
and
broken
security
doors
to the
blocks
an
overwhelming
number
of
residents
49
in all
in the
flowersmead
estate
urgently
ask
wandsworth
borough
council
to
a
install
permanent
cctv
cameras
at
strategic
locations
on
flowersmead
improve
the
lighting
on the
estate
and
ensure
all
blocks
are
secure
and
also
address
the
issues
of
fly
tipping
thank
you
madam
mayor
thank
you
each
of
these
petitions
will
be
dealt
with
in
accordance
with
the
council
petition
scheme
item
five
is
leaders
questions
before
we
begin
questions
may
I
remind
all
members
that
the
overall
period
for
members
questions
to
the
leader
and
cabinet
members
is
45
minutes
with
20
minutes
for
leaders
questions
and
25
minutes
for
cabinet
members
however
if
the
leaders
questions
overrun
this
time
is
taken
off
the
cabinet
members
questions
please
may
I
also
remind
members
that
their
questions
have
already
been
published
and
everyone
has
a
copy
so
please
just
put
your
question
to
the
leader
and
summarise
as
much
as
possible
or
alternatively
just
mention
the
question
number
and
the
title
there
is
no
need
to
read
the
whole
question
out
and
so
if
we
move
let's
start
questions
so
question
number
one
councillor
Richard
Jones
thank you
madam
mayor
and
to
you
question
number
one
to
the
leader
at the
last
council
meeting
the
leader
told me
that
he
would
not
pursue
judicial
review
against
the
expansion
because
there
were
no
grounds
for
judicial
review
is
there
no
need
to
read
the
question
out
I
thought
that's
what
the
mayor
said
you're
now
disrespecting
the
mayor
because
you
are
ignoring
what
she
told
you
talking
I'll
continue
talking
for
three
seconds
what
the
leader
told me
at the
last
council
meeting
flatly
contradicted
the
evidence
that
the
city
hall
investigation
this
is
deviating
from
the
written
question
so
perhaps
this
is
forming
more
of a
supplementary
than
the
actual
original
question
thank
you
sorry
I
think
I
was
on
question
six
I
think
I
was
on
second
number
six
by the
time
the
second
Labour
member
stood
up
to
shout
me
down
can
I
carry
on
my
question
or
I'll
just
keep
going
I
think
I'll
just
keep
going
we
know
what
your
question
is
sit
down
be
a bit
more
respectful
to
the
gallery
please
councillor
White
when
the
leader
decided
in
his
view
that
there
judicial
review
the
old
tech
expansion
he
hadn't
sought
the
external
advice
of
leading
or
junior
counsel
we've
just
heard
this
evening
the
monitoring
officer
consulted
leading
counsel's
opinion
on a
matter
of
paying
additional
allowances
to
councillors
will
the
leader
now
consider
the
position
seek
external
legal
advice
on
this
issue
because
time
is
running
out
to
judicially
review
the
all
tech
expansion
thank
you
councillor
richard
jones
now
this
is a
prime
example
of
a
mini
speech
so
next
following
on
from
this
let's
summarize
it
even
more
thank
you
i'm
going
to
pass
it
on
to
the
leader
thank
you
madam
mayor
wimbledon
park
is a
fantastic
local
park
which
is
much
loved
by
local
residents
and
we
want
their
enjoyment
to
continue
for
many
many
generations
as we
know
ones
with
council's
planning
committee
rejected
the
all
england
lord
tennis
and
croquet
clubs
development
proposals
i'll
call
them
old
tech
from
now
on
and
i've
been
clear
in
my
views
opposing
the
development
which
will
triple
the
size
of
that
venue
that
facility
officers
involved
in the
planning
case
including
the
legal
firm
engaged
by
the
council
to
deal
with
planning
matters
reviewed
the
GLA
hearing
and
decision
and
looking
at
the
most
relevant
of
the
three
main
grounds
for
judicial
review
illegality
irrationality
and
procedural
impropriety
their
advice
is
that
the
GLA
has
not
erred
in
law
in
making
its
decision
so
while
I
understand
calls
for
the
judicial
review
if
the
council
funded
and
lost
a
judicial
review
it's
likely
that
the
costs
of
both
old
tech
and
the
council
would
need
to be
paid
by
local
council
taxpayers
and
we're
advised
this
could be
north
of
£100,000
I have
met
with
Save
Wimbledon
Park
campaigners
and they
understand
the
council's
position
councillors
may have
seen
the news
that
Wimbledon
has
today
itself
go to
court
to
try
to
head
off
potential
challenges
to
expansion
plans
and
this
appears
to be
an
attempt
to
clear
up
whether
there
is
a
statutory
trust
for
recreational
use
on
the
land
from
back
when
it
was
a
golf
club
a
golf
course
and
that
would
of
course
restrict
what
could
be
done
with
it
now
and
we
will
watch
these
developments
very
closely
we
are
appreciative
of
the
championships
and
the
benefit
it
brings
to
the
community
however
should
it
go
ahead
we
will
continue
to
push
for
maximum
community
benefit
for
assurances
that
the
community
centre
the
parkland
remain
accessible
for
public
use
into
the
future
and
that's
an
ambition
which
I
know
is
shared
by
Fleur
Anderson
MP
who's
been
tireless
campaigning
on this
issue
so
we will
continue
to work
with
local
people
and
our
partners
including
Merton
Council
and
to
as
many
people
as
possible
for
many
years
to
come
the
leader
says
he's
opposed
to
the
old
tech
expansion
why
won't
he
do
everything
in
the
council's
gift
to
oppose
it
it's
the
most
basic
thing
in
major
decisions
like
this
to
seek
external
legal
advice
from
leading
council
we've
heard
this
evening
that
advice
was
sought
on
the
telephone
to
authorize
I've
just
calculated
it
okay
it's
about
27,000
pounds
in
additional
councilors
allowances
that this
paper
authorizes
that advice
was sought
on this
evening
councillor
hawk
could have
received
specialist
advice
on the
old
tech
expansion
for a
fraction
of that
officers
estimate
it was
15,000
pounds
does
the
leader
accept
there
will be
a huge
breach
of trust
between
him
and
residents
if
they
conclude
that
he
concluded
that
15,000
pounds
wasn't
worth
it
to
stop
years
of
misery
and
the
loss
of
Wimbledon
Park
forever
thank you
councillor
thank you
madam
mayor
I'm
grateful
for the
question
it's
funny
someone
was
trying
to
pin
down
councillor
richard
jones
politics
the
other
day
and
they
couldn't
quite
do
it
but
the
opposition
leader
is
at least
consistent
in
his
unwavering
belief
that
more
money
should
be
given
to
lawyers
so
we're
clear
on
that
core
value
but
I
think
we've
done
the
right
thing
here
senior
officers
joined
WP
felt
that
the
council
was
both
well
advised
and
responsible
in
its
actions
now
the
legalistic
bully
boys
opposite
might
not
agree
but
we
will
always
stand
up
for
local
people
against
powerful
interests
and
as a
general
comment
this
issue
should
command
consensus
across
this
council
I
would
hope
we
could
agree
on
this
independent
labour
conservative
across
the
spectrum
and
I
think
most
of
us
would
feel
the
same
way
and
I
agree
with
Save
Wimbledon
Park
that
it
shouldn't
be
used
as
a
political
football
but
I
know
that
campaign
has
been
dismayed
with
the
opposition's
attempt
to
politicise
it
in fact
they
contacted
me
to say
that
their
members
had
been
surprised
to
receive
conservative
leaflets
in the
area
and
the
SWP
wanted
to
emphasise
that
they
had
nothing
to
do
with
them
and
do
not
support
them
and
I
want
to
be
clear
tonight
that
Save
Wimbledon
Park
is
an
apolitical
group
of
dedicated
volunteers
they
are
not
associated
with
any
political
party
and
that's
right
that's
why
I
always
advise
activists
pressure
groups
of
any
kind
don't
get
too
close
to
either
party
it
won't
help
the
cause
that
you're
seeking
to
promote
in
the
long
run
I'm
very
grateful
for
the
work
of
SWP
they
are
dedicated
local
the
point
at
which
Wandsworth
Tories
think
it's
crucial
to
deploy
a
judicial
review
the
Tory
track
record
in
this
borough
was
to
allow
developers
to
run
riot
to
build
whatever
they
wanted
and
expect
local
people
to
expect
the
schemes
I
became
a
councillor
in
2010
and
not
once
in
the
following
12
years
did
Wandsworth
Tories
launch
a
judicial
review
on
any
planning
development
not
once
when
the
Ram Brewery
got a
37
storey
tower
with
no
social
housing
not
once
when
Battersea
Power
Station
wanted
to
cut
250
affordable
homes
and
when
it
comes
to
our
green
spaces
you
let
Formula E
racing
cars
go
around
Battersea
Park
and
you
tried
to
charge
children
£2.50
to
use
the
playground
there
so
I
think
you're
trying to
mislead
local
people
about
your
attitude
to
overdevelopment
and
your
attitude
towards
protecting
our
green
spaces
Councillor
Grimston
Thank you
second
supplementary
Madam
Mayor
I
know
the
leaders
are
aware
that
Save
Wimbledon
Park
have been
very
grateful
for
his
personal
involvement
both
in the
meeting
at the
end
of
October
and
indeed
there's
another
meeting
coming
up
next
week
and
I
support
that
I
think
he
has
been
very
much
involved
in
that
and
I'm
grateful
for
that
Having
said
that
Save
Wimbledon
Park
which
has
an
extraordinary
legal
base
to it
both
within
its
membership
and
the
pro
bono
support
that
it's
managed
to
lever
in
doesn't
hold
the
same
view
and
indeed
has
sent
a
letter
as I
understand
it
to
the
Great
London
Assembly
Great
London
Authority
prior to
action
outlining
a number
of
potential
legal
challenges
to
the
planning
decision
quite
apart
from
the
issues
of
the
trust
and
the
covenants
could
I
just
ask
the
leader
whether
it
is
possible
at
this
stage
without
obviously
committing
anything
but to
say
that
the
council
will
retain
an
open
mind
on
this
and
if
the
legal
case
that
Trave
Wimbledon
Park
is
putting
together
against
the
GLA
planning
permission
should
look like
it's
got
some
legs
then at
that
stage
with
proper
legal
advice
the
council
may
at
that
stage
still
be
prepared
to
join
that
thank
you
councillor
grimston
so
I
want
to
thank
councillor
grimston
for
that
question
and
also
his
involvement
on
this
issue
we
know
he's
a
dedicated
ward
councillor
who's
been
representing
residents
views
on
this
and
has
taken
part
in
some
of
those
meetings
absolutely
we will
keep
an
open
mind
we're
here
for
the
interests
of
the
people
of
Wandsworth
we're
not
following
property
developers
we're
not
following
activists
we're
here
to
get
maximum
benefit
long
term
games
with
long
term
partners
delivering
for
local
people
thank
you
question
number
two
thank
you
will
the
leader
give
details
of
meetings
he's
had
with
businesses
to
discuss
the
impact
of
the
Chancellor's
budget
and
will
he
state
whether
he
agrees
with
the
increase
in
employers
and
national
insurance
contributions
thank
you
Councillor
Hawke
thanks
for
that
question
the
deputy
leader
and
I
meet
regularly
with
our
fantastic
local
businesses
to
ensure
that
we're
always
listening
to
the
challenges
that
they
face
it's
true
due
to
the
state
the
public
finances
the
Chancellor
had to
make
tough
decisions
to
provide
economic
stability
and
to
stop
the
decline
of
public
services
that
we
all
rely
on
and
it's
clear
the
budget
is
on
the
side
of
local
people
and
small
businesses
rather
than
the
big
profit
makers
to
protect
small
businesses
the
employment
allowance
will be
doubled
to provide
relief of
up to
£10,500 a
year
on their
national
insurance
payments
what does
that mean
well the
smallest
businesses
will be
fully
protected
as it
will allow
them to
employ
the
equivalent
of
four
full-time
workers
on the
national
living
wage
without
paying
a penny
in
national
insurance
contributions
now
more
than
90%
of
businesses
in
Wandsworth
employ
less
than
10
people
so
the
increase
in
employment
allowance
will
go a
long
way
in
reducing
their
national
insurance
bills
so
who
will
pay
the
extra
national
insurance
well
last
year
HSBC
made
over
24
billion
in
profit
Shell
22
billion
BP
11
billion
and
Tesco
2.3
billion
it's
right
that
these
larger
more
profitable
businesses
are
asked to
pay
more
through
a rise
in
national
insurance
contributions
instead
of
workers
being
hit
by
higher
taxes
small
and
independent
businesses
are the
lifeblood
of our
town
centres
and
neighbourhoods
in
Wandsworth
from
cafes
in
Ballham
to
family-run
restaurants
in
Tooting
independent
stores
in
Putney
we
understand
it's
essential
that
these
businesses
are
protected
the
federation
of
small
businesses
welcome
the
move
as
a
pro
jobs
prioritization
in
a
tough
budget
so
and to
ensure
that we
have
full
understanding
across the
borough
officers
have been
asked
to
model
the
impact
of
national
insurance
contribution
changes
and
and to
listen
to
businesses
and
our
contractors
who
will
be
affected
come
April
next
year
I'd
say
the
budget
does
provide
a
40%
relief
on
business
rates
for
the
retail
hospitality
and
leisure
industries
and
sets
out
plans
to
introduce
permanently
lower
tax
rates
for
those
businesses
to
protect
our
high
streets
so
the
budget
made
the
right
decision
to
protect
the
pay
slips
of
local
people
while
asking
larger
businesses
to
pay
more
towards
our
public
services
thank
you
second
supplementary
first
supplementary
sorry
thank
you
the
leader
was
very
honest
in
that
answer
and
saying
that
he
agrees
with
the
budget
measures
but
there
are
things
that
he
said
in
his
written
answer
that
he
didn't
say
in
his
oral
answer
tonight
he
says
in
his
written
answer
that
the
budget
was
to
protect
workers
from
higher
taxes
on
their
pay
slips
some
businesses
are
being
asked
to
pay
their
fair
share
of
national
insurance
contributions
I
spoke
to
a
local
business
in
Putney
today
it's
not
a
big
national
chain
it's
not
one
of
the
businesses
that
Simon
Hogg
was
referring
to
as
a
result
of
the
national
insurance
contribution
increases
they
will
have
an
increased
tax
bill
of
130,000
pounds
next
year
as
a
result
two
vacancies
that
have
arisen
because
staff
have
turned
over
will
not
get
filled
so
there
is
two
workers
that
have
not
been
protected
by
this
and
a
whopping
130,000
pounds
tax
bill
can I
ask
council
Hogg
it's
a simple
yes or
no
question
we've
got
lots
of
questions
to
get
through
tonight
I
know
the
public
gallery
want
to
hear
the
question
about
nine
elms
does
he
think
130,000
pounds
is
this
business
fair
share
of
national
insurance
contributions
councillor
Hogg
no
chance
you're
getting me
with the
one word
thing
we did
that last
time
you burned
your whole
supplementary
to get
a one word
answer
and then
you had
like
two
amendments
on the
motion
neither
of which
worked
we don't
want
to be
charging
higher
taxes
we set
the lowest
council
tax in
the
country
we believe
in
fair
progressive
low
taxes
but it's
pretty
surprising
that you
want to
focus
on this
part of
the
budget
these
decisions
are only
necessarily
because you
crashed the
economy
you sent
mortgage and
interest rates
soaring
and you
left a
22
billion
pound
hole
in the
public
finances
and with
taxes
hitting a
70 year
high under
your
government
it's
pretty rich
to get
lectured
people are
worse off
than they
have been
for decades
and during
these tough
times we've
supported
people by
delivering that
low council
tax with
the biggest
cost of
living support
in London
and as I
said the
correct decision
was made
at the
budget to
protect the
pay slips
of local
people while
asking larger
businesses to
pay more towards
our public
services
now the
leader of the
Conservative
Party
what's she
called
Kemi
she's refused
to commit to
reversing
these national
insurance
measures
therefore I'm
very keen to
hear from the
councillors
opposite what
choices their
party would
make to
repair the
wreckage they
left in our
public finances
but the choice
at the election
has been made by
local people and
the choice was
clear five more
years of the
same failed
Tory policies with
more austerity
that leaves local
people having to
pick up the bill
or change with
the Labour
Party that will
invest and will
fix our public
services
thank you
councillor
Hogg
councillor
Fraser
thank you
madam
mayor and
thank you for
that answer
I wonder
could the
leader tell
us a little
bit more
about what
are the
measures
the
chancellor
included in
the budget
that
Wandsworth
will benefit
from
thank you
for that
supplementary
so it was
Labour's first
budget in 14
years it was
very exciting
a range of
measures
that will be
good news for
our residents
both nationally
and locally
we've taken
measures to
protect people's
pay by adding
no extra pay
to pay slips
delivering the
lowest council
tax in the
country and
our residents
also benefit
from that
fantastic
£15 million
cost of
living fund
those on
low incomes
will see
£1,400 a
year rise in
the minimum
wage and
as a council
we're proud to
pray all of
our staff and
very soon all
of our
contractors the
London living
wage the
state pension
is going up by
£470 a
year and
those Wandsworth
winter support
payments of up
to £300 will
protect our
low income
pensioners even
further
nationally the
NHS will get
an extra
£26 billion
and schools
£2.3
billion which
will all help
strengthen our
local services
more money will
be available from
the government for
local road
maintenance which
fantastically dovetails
with our own
commitment to
double spending on
our roads and
pavements as part
of our decade of
renewal funded by
property developers
importantly there's a
real terms funding
increase for local
government including
£1.3 billion of
additional grant
funding to support
the essential
services we deliver
here in local
government I was
delighted when just
last month the
Minister for Early
Education came to
Wandsworth to
announce the
government's landmark
free breakfast
programme we've been
at the forefront of
making sure that
children don't have to
attempt to learn while
they're hungry here in
Wandsworth with 40
schools already part of
our free breakfast
scheme so both locally
and nationally these
policies are a welcome
break from the
austerity years under
the Conservatives
this has got nothing
to do with the budget
Councillor can we move
on to the next
question please
Councillor Humphreys
you cannot interrupt
at this point
Madam Mayor
Madam Mayor
standing order 20th
thank you
I was going to say
there is provision
within our standing
orders that you can
exclude people for
I think it's
irregular improper
offensive behaviour
sorry everybody
stop
offensive behaviour
spend all the
orders
can I say that
the behaviour
sorry we're moving
on to
okay but can we
please keep order
from the other side
I don't know if it's
been put up by the
mic but we can
hardly hear ourselves
think
thank you
I dare you to name
anyone and exclude
them from this chamber
I dare you to name
anyone in this chamber
and exclude them
the point was a general
one about the need
for improvement of behaviour
behaviour and the fact
that the opposition
are extremely rowdy
thank you
the leader's so
thin skinned
he can't take a heckle
starting with the
opposition whip
stop
I say stop now
time for leaders
questions is finished
thank you
two
which is
amazing
it seems like that
the whips have agreed
that item 16
the motion
on the impact
in one's worth
of higher
employer
national insurance
contributions
will be taken next
can I ask
councillor
Peter Graham
to move
and councillor
Owens
to second
the motion
in their names
formally moved
noted
so
councillor
Graham
please
thank you
madam
mayor
in july
the new
government
was elected
on a manifesto
promise
that read
we will not
increase
national
insurance
in november
it increased
national insurance
contributions
by almost
26 billion
pounds
now
labour's
defence
as we heard
it
this isn't
a tax
on working
people
so rather
than me
passing
judgement
on that
let's turn
to the
independent
OBR
the same
office
for budget
responsibility
that labour
defended so
often
in opposition
the OBR
says
the OBR
says that the costs imposed for employer NICS are and I quote
mainly assumed to be passed on to employees through lower real wages
limits
madam mayor I hope we can agree at least that employees are working people
taken as a whole the OBR found that the autumn budget will increase borrowing reduce medium and long term growth reduce household incomes increase inflation and mortgage rates lower real wages and increase unemployment they state
that around 85 percent of falling real household disposable incomes is explained by the policies announced in this budget so much for gross
part two of labour's defence and we heard it again is an alleged 22 billion pound black hole
well the OBR went looking for that too it could only find 9.4 billion in new spending pressures which could be offset by underspends
they said in fact and I quote nothing in our review was a legitimization of that 22 billion
but it almost doesn't matter to the argument if you're looking to raise 22 billion you don't tax an extra 40 billion and borrow another 30
and you don't take it from the pockets of vulnerable pensioners ordinary workers and thousands of charities that isn't compassion it's hypocrisy
labor's defense is an excuse it's an evasion it's an attempt to get out of their promise to voters and looking at the chaos amongst
businesses charities and other organizations in our borough I genuinely think that the new ministers didn't fully appreciate the difference between raising employees and employers contributions
politically at least politically at least the one thing that's worse than an excuse is a mistake
and for this council it may end up being the most expensive mistake in recent years
the direct cost to us here is 3.4 million pounds essentially the equivalent of a five percent increase in council tax
even after November's policy statement we still don't know how much if any of that will be covered
the LGA says it won't be clear until the individual settlements are out later this month
the indirect cost to this council could be enormous
now question 22 asks about the estimated 1.8 billion cost to councils through the impact on social care providers
the deputy leader's reply says don't worry there's an extra 680 million the money that was supposed to go on services
and do the maths 1.8 billion minus 680 million is a 1.1 billion tax grade on social care alone
not large businesses care homes normally mild-mannered trade associations are talking about catastrophic impacts
no wonder Labour's councillors voted against urgently assessing the impact on the council's external suppliers
and contractors at committee
something that the answer to question 14 says they are now belatedly trying to do
and under question 12 as we heard
although we didn't we didn't we didn't hear it in full from the council the councillor hogg
some businesses will pay a little more councillor hogg's fair share
the retail sector alone estimates the budget will cost it 7 billion
that's not fair share but closed shops and workers losing their jobs as we heard
the budget was a direct financial hit on the businesses charities and residents of this borough
it was a still unquantified hit on the finances of this council
now our motion is drafted in neutral language
we simply ask them to support in principle
exempting or compensating charities for the NI rise
exactly the same exemption and compensation that this government is giving to itself
councillor lawless aside you don't have to slavishly follow the line of your three MPs
you can show some independence
you can put borough before party
otherwise I think residents tonight will rightly ask
if the administration won't back them now when will they ever
councillor gritchard
thank you madam mayor
once upon a time there was a young woman with a red cloak
who needed to take some important items to care for her poor grandma
who lived on the far side of the tangled and dangerous woods of the UK economy
Rachel
sorry children listen
no disruptions please
Rachel
that was the young woman's name
was careful and prudent
she looked at maps
planned her route carefully
and expected she could make her way safely through the dark dark woods to her grandma's home
so Rachel set off
goodies carefully packed
wrapped up in her red coat
following her mapped route through the forest
it was gloomy and cold in the woods
and all of a sudden Rachel saw an enormous hole blocking her way
22 billion pounds
of enormous hole
that wasn't on her map
she stopped
sat down
and started to work out
how she could fill the hole
so she could reach her grandma
before it was too late
sorry
madam mayor
councillors
everybody
it's the wrong speech
okay
I didn't want to talk
about the 22 billion black hole in the economy
though I would comment from what was said earlier
the OBR has neither confirmed nor did I
it depends how you read their report
it must be a huge source of embarrassment
to the my colleagues opposite
from a party that prides itself on fiscal competence
22 million is a tidy sum to go missing when people budget carefully
instead
the motion in front of us concerns changes to the national insurance for employers
and covers three aspects of the change
the effect on Wandsworth Council's employers
the effect on local businesses
and the effect on local voluntary services
council first
the officers have reviewed the proposed changes affecting the council
the current estimate is that this might increase costs by 3.4 million
but the Chancellor has said
public bodies will be compensated for the change
councillors opposite know that our financial settlement will come later next week
and any comments about the costs of this
and how to fund these
at this stage are pure speculation
on the minority party's part
don't cry wolf
until we know what our Christmas present is going to be
on the 19th of December
next
businesses and the voluntary sector
the proposal is not just a simple increase in national insurance
contributions
it's more nuanced than that
you have heard
sorry
Madam Mayor
may I just ask something
if the opposition interrupt
is it possible for the clock to be paused
so I can continue
well
we should be showing respect to all members
so please let her continue without any disruptions
thank you
okay
it's more nuanced than that
and you've heard from the leader
how some of the contributions fall
and that some
many of our small businesses
are not likely to see an increase
and may well see a reduction
in their national insurance
I'd also like to remind councillors
that all businesses
exist to make profits
as dividends to shareholders
and payments to their executive
the British Retail Consortium
the letter you quoted
says the changes will slow growth
and reduce jobs
and cause shop closures
the government's briefing
says the effects of change
depend on employers
in behavioural response
ASDA
one of the signatories
1.1 million profit
8 million pay to their chief executive
my figures for Tesco
were slightly different
slightly lower
1.6 billion
15% up
profits last year
their mid-pies have gone up
40% this season
I'll leave you to work out
what the other possibilities
would be available
to the businesses
in order to help fund
this rise
there are lots of new initiatives
in Rachel's basket of goodies
many to help employers
such as 22 billion for the NHS
to keep citizens well
healthy employees
have less time off work
extra funding for schools
to raise attainment
for the employees of the future
expanding government funded childcare
helping parents who wish to work
and the Get Britain Working
white paper
I really didn't want to mention
the 22 billion pound back hole
but changes to the national insurance
contributions are set to raise
exactly that much
year on year
the hole needs to be filled
so Rachel
in her red cloak
with her basket of goodies
can provide the help
that this country
and its citizens need
let's fix the economic foundations
to deliver change
to help us all
so I urge councillors
to vote against this motion
thank you councillor
Richard
councillor hedges
thank you Madam Mayor
it was no surprise
when the new Labour government
delivered its first budget
in 14 years
that the Chancellor
would commit to raising
a whopping 40 billion
in taxes
what was less palatable
but again no surprise
included in this figure
was the high conditional
insurance contributions
for employers
which will have a devastating impact
on many businesses
and charities
in Wandsworth
and indeed across the country
Madam Mayor
focusing on the voluntary sector
as I am a trustee
of a local trust
set up to award grants
to charities
that are solely based
in Wandsworth
it would be remiss of me
not to point out
many of these organisations
are already struggling
and are likely to be impacted
hard by Labour's budget
charities like the Royal Trinity Hospice
who have a few shops
in Wandsworth
including in my own ward
on Ballam High Road
who provide amazing support
and care for people
with life-limiting
I'm sure we all know someone
rely heavily on this source
of funding
from April 2025
without an exemption
for charities
we can expect
some of our much-loved organisations
in the borough
to struggle
increased staffing costs
will no doubt
lead to redundancies
and reduced hours
which will put even more strain
on the provided vital services
we don't even see
some of these charity shops
closed down entirely
this would obviously
be a great shame
as charities offer
a huge amount to the area
take Wandsworth Carers Centre
for example
also based in my ward
at Ballam
provides information
and support
for those looking after
an adult or child
who has a learning mental
or physical disability
or a long-term illness
meaning they are unable
to manage without help
as I stressed
in my unanswered letter
to the cabinet member
for the voluntary sector
on the 18th of November
given the very real prospect
of challenging financial times
on the horizon
it's important
the Labour Administration
acknowledges
and offers support
to this sector
I asked
has the cabinet member
spoken to
for example
Cathie Lowe Settlement
Citizens Advice
Wandsworth
Age UK Wandsworth
or Home Start
to understand
what the financial damage
the budget will be
on them
or does her comment
from the last finance committee
still stand
that there are no issues
from these organisations
that she's spoken to
another point to remember
these organisations
also rely
on financial support
from the council
by way of grants
it wasn't so long ago
the Labour Administration
made promises
to strengthen
and review
the voluntary sector
a new grant fund
was even set up
to help these organisations
respond through
the cost of living crisis
Madam Mayor
going back
to my unanswered
letter again
I highlighted
the administration's
programme
of capacity building
grants
must have rested
on certain assumptions
about the financial
resilience
of the sector
in Wandsworth
those assumptions
must be looked at
again
to ensure
the viability
of both
the voluntary sector
and the council's
substantial financial
assistance to it
I also asked
the cabinet member
to carry out
a detailed impact
analysis of the budget
on the voluntary sector
and to bring the paper
to the next
finance committee meeting
outlining the threats
facing this sector
and what mitigating measures
the council
will need to introduce
to shore up the aims
of its grants programme
this request
was also ignored
and no surprise
no paper presented
at the last finance
committee last week
so it strikes me
very odd
that the cabinet member
is so silent
on this subject
especially as she
owns her own charity
based in Wandsworth
and given there is
a real possibility
the budget will have
a negative impact
on the programme
of financial support
to this sector
Madam Mayor
I'm sure we all want
the voluntary sector
to thrive and succeed
in Wandsworth
so I therefore
ask that this motion
be supported
by everyone here tonight
I would also like
to wish you all
a restful time
over the winter recess
and hope we don't get
too weighed down
by casework
concerning
missed waste collections
yes it's still happening
and irresponsibly
dumped Christmas trees
thank you
thank you
Councillor Hedges
Councillor Akinola
thank you
Madam Mayor
Merry Christmas
everybody
I guess because
you've mentioned
my organisation
I have to
declare an interest
or something
I've got an interest
so firstly
I wanted to just
wish to ask
everybody if
you know
especially on that side
seeing as you're so concerned
about businesses
whether you actually
went out
on small business
Saturday
and bought something
locally
I hope you did
that would be great
but let's be honest
and I'm sure you've
heard this now
how many times
22 billion times
it is your fault
your organisation's
fault
your party's fault
that there is
a 22 billion pound
black hole
in the country's finances
your party
not only
made up
a whole bunch
of figures
left a black hole
but also left
a tattered
economic framework
and no coherent
plan for recovery
and of course
a cabbage
for years
your approach
was to plaster
over the cracks
with empty promises
and short term fixes
while critical services
were left
to deteriorate
such as
the NHS
and our schools
and this lack
of foresight
has burdened us
with underfunded
services
and a fragile economy
and we
and our party
can't afford
to continue
with your mistakes
our party
labour is fixing
the economy
to ensure stability
equity
and prosperity
for all of our
future generations
and yes
this budget
did force
the Chancellor
to tackle
difficult
and take difficult
decisions
to tackle
14 years
of negligence
and mismanagement
by the previous
government
but at least
we are committed
to rebuilding
a fairer
and more resilient
economy
one that prioritises
people
not just rhetoric
and optics
so you've been
laying into the budget
all week
and in fact
this entire paper
is just the same question
a million times
all of the questions
here are the same
questions about
national insurance
there's very little
I can add
to what my colleagues
previously have said
about the budget
but I think
it's essential
that we consider
both the challenges
and the measures
brought in
to alleviate
its effect
the raise
in national insurance
will actually raise
you know
25 billion annually
which is a vital
contribution
to public services
like the NHS
which have suffered
due to the previous
government's failure
to adequately plan
or invest
my colleagues
spoke about
employment allowance
the winter
Wandsworth winter allowance
roads and schools
but your questions
ask me specifically
about Wandsworth
so we are
a borough of SMEs
and fewer
and 93%
employ fewer
than 10 people
which means
that Wandsworth
is uniquely positioned
to weather
this storm
better than
other areas
are you just going
to repeat
what I'm saying
at least you're not talking
it's okay
be quiet
for these businesses
the increased
employment allowance
will mitigate
much of the
national insurance
contribution increase
ensuring that
their growth
and stability
remain intact
in addition
to addressing this
the budget
includes several
other measures
designed to support
workers and businesses
alike
the legal
minimum wage
for over 21s
will rise
to £12.21 an hour
and for 18 to 20
year olds
it will increase
to £10 an hour
and this step
towards a unified
adult rate
ensures workers
will benefit
from a fairer wage
while businesses
continue to attract
and retain talent
of course
in Wandsworth
we already
encourage people
to pay
the London
living wage
which is still
higher than this
and has been
reflected
in grants
in the level
of grants
that we provide
to our VCS sector
in fact
it has only been
through constant
communication
with the VCS
and businesses
that we have
improved the
services offered
to him
I just want
to point out
that your letter
did not
at all
ask me to speak
to KLS
or Homebase
it was very vague
so yeah
I didn't respond
to it
but you didn't
ask me to do that
no one's talking
to you
in addition
to this
the main rate
of corporation
tax remains
unchanged
at 25%
of profits
for over
a quarter
of a million
providing stability
for larger enterprises
the budget
also addresses
social
sorry
social equity
through adjustments
to state benefits
and the maximum
earning threshold
rising
for carers
from £151
to £195
a week
and these changes
will protect
the most vulnerable
in our society
and I know
will be welcomed
by the VCS sector
as it reduces
their reliance
on the services
on services
when people
have more cash
in their pockets
so yes
the raised
yes
national insurance
contributions
does introduce
new costs
for businesses
but it represents
a balanced approach
it ensures
that smaller businesses
like the majority
here in Bronsworth
remain protected
while contributing
to the collective good
thank you
thank you
councillor
Akinola
moving on
to councillor
Owens
thank you
madam mayor
the much
anticipated
labour budget
the first
they've delivered
since the glory
years of the
great recession
15 years ago
when output
collapsed
by more than
at any time
since the 1930s
depression
has laid bare
the party's
ideological opposition
to business
and job creation
in this country
the administration
should be proud
imitation
is the highest
form of flattery
after all
it is no coincidence
that this labour
government
has followed
in the example
of this labour run
council
taking to leadership
like Wandsworth
council
an Ebenezer
Scrooge
a labour party
hiking council
rents
and piling costs
on businesses
charities
schools
and social care
providers
and cancelling
Christmas for many
maybe the leader
might be visited
by the ghosts
of Christmas's past
to be taken
on a journey
to Wandsworth
under the Conservatives
to see
the benefits
to residents
of lower rents
more satisfied tenants
the absence
of debt
bins actually collected
and a government
that didn't raise taxes
on businesses
to fund payoffs
to political allies
and the unions
the ghost of Christmas
present
might point out
their 14 years
of convincing
the British people
that fiscal constraints
don't exist
and then betraying them
might have worrying
consequences
for political credibility
and electoral chances
guess what
the Christmas turkeys
have come home
to roost
they promised
more and more spending
without taxes
needing to rise
but now
having taken power
their only solution
is to hike taxes
bar humbug
indeed
the increase
in employer
national insurance
contributions
the reduction
of the threshold
for payments
and cut
business rate discounts
sends an unambiguous
signal
that they do not
value jobs
in the very sectors
they claim to champion
and it's not just
businesses
it's children's nurseries
charities
and the social care sector
too
we can only hope
that the leader
and the Prime Minister
see the error
of their ways
when confronted
by the third ghost
of the future
as they see
these sectors
groaning
under the strain
of endlessly
rising costs
and demoralised
when they should
be encouraged
nurseries are closing
and high streets
and Wandsworth
already struggling
now face further
decline
on social care
the Labour Party
continues to show
weakness and confusion
the promises
of a 35%
full pay restoration
for junior doctors
comes almost certainly
at the expense
of lower paid workers
in the health service
meanwhile
the adult care
social care system
described by every expert
as the weakest link
in our health network
remains ignored
and underfunded
the consequences
for ones with the stock
care providers
in our boroughs
face over a billion
in additional costs
due to the combination
of national insurance
contribution hikes
and increased
national living wage
requirements
an average care home
where margins
are incredibly low
now faces an additional
125,000 annually
in unabsorbed costs
this is not just
unsustainable
it's a disaster
waiting to happen
with closures inevitable
and services slashed
the ripple effects
will devastate
vulnerable residents
and place even
greater strain
on the NHS
our schools too
are under pressure
with head teachers
already struggling
to make the sums work
and keep the schools running
Labour's tax hikes
and the pay increases
will only worsen
the situation
forcing schools
to make impossible decisions
about staffing levels
and charities
so vital to our community
have been completely
disregarded
with their financial
assumptions
upended by Labour's
refusal to exempt them
from national insurance
contribution increases
the Labour Party
claims to care
about these sectors
but their actions
tell a different story
they should do
all they can
to persuade the government
to take a different path
you can live in the past
present and the future
and you can still
sponge away
the writing on the stone
change course
and your leader
can make his chains
far lighter yet
thank you Madam Mayor
Merry Christmas
thank you Councillor Owens
and it's great to hear
that lots of you
have the festive spirit
and just on that
there's also a panto
happening in the civic suite
where you can book
tickets online
so
as there was no amendments
to this motion
so we can now move
straight to the vote
by show of hands
and by division
if necessary
so all those
in favour of the motion
all those against
any abstentions
so there was
23 for
and 31 against
and 0 abstentions
moving on
to questions
to the cabinet members
which will now
take place
25 minutes
is starting now
so
moving on
to question number
12
question 12
to the cabinet member
thank you
Councillor Akinola
thank you
feels like this is
round two
of the question
I just answered
but longer
I mean
I don't really know
what to say to you
at this point
Councillor Hedges
that I haven't said
a minute ago
that wasn't said
by previous
colleagues
I can tell you
that
on the 6th
of November
I actually had a meeting
with the voluntary
set
with the businesses
and on the 13th
of November
I sent out
my agenda
for my meeting
with the voluntary
sector
and your letter
arrived
too late
to actually
do anything
so your letter
got to me
on I think
it was the 18th
yeah
so I'm way ahead
of you
as normal
supplementary
Madam Mayor
I thank the
cabinet member
for her answer
there are a number
of businesses
on Ballam High Road
as you know
in my ward
that are already
struggling
that haven't been
listened to
by you
and
are struggling
with the profit margins
so
I would like to know
what value
would she consider
is a little more
as this could
potentially tip
some of these
businesses
over into
administration
thank you
Councillor Akinola
do you want to
answer that question
I'm very sorry
I fail to understand
what she said
what value
would I
think is a little
more
a little more what
second supplementary
yes sorry
in your
answer
you refer to
instead of
raising taxes
for workers
some business
I'm so sorry
Councillor Hedges
but we agreed
under the standing
order that there
wouldn't be
a second supplementary
but
if you'd like
to clarify
that question
that would be
great
yes please
thank you
Madam Mayor
for allowing
me to clarify
what I was
referring to
was your point
about
the sentence
where you say
instead of
raising taxes
for workers
some businesses
will pay
a little more
to help fund
the public services
that we rely on
and that's
the clarification
thank you
I guess that
will be
business to
business
depending on
how many
employees
they have
I'm not sure
I don't want
you to clarify
this anymore
because I'm
fed up of
talking about
national insurance
because it's
all we're going
to talk about
but I would be
happy to talk
to you about
offline
about the
businesses
that are
struggling
I'm happy to
do a walk
about with you
I know that
the high
streets team
are regularly
out there
I meet with
you know
businesses
once a month
anyway so
if there are
businesses that
I'm not meeting
with I'm happy
to get in
touch with
them and
speak to
them
thank you
councillor
thank you
second supplementary
ironically
tonight
speeches
and questions
have mentioned
for the first
time in ages
the voluntary
sector
numerous times
and I am
quite surprised
in your speech
you mentioned
that you
are in dialogue
with the
voluntary sector
I would if you
could please
elaborate on the
mechanisms that
you use to
engage in dialogue
with the
voluntary sector
councillor
canola
absolutely
delighted
I'm going to
say I'm
delighted to
tell you about
this
so we have
a
we have a
voluntary sector
meeting that
happens every
two months
well attended
by 40 to 60
different organisations
from across the
borough who bring
their thoughts
and so we did
speak to them
about national
insurance very
shortly after the
budget announcement
and you know how
they thought it
might affect them
and made some
suggestions as to
how we would
mitigate this
alongside them
you know co-produce
solutions together
alongside that
we're also
you know
sort of speaking
to them about
the very first
volunteer strategy
so I also
couldn't respond
to that other
part of the
motion that
asked for us to
revise a strategy
that doesn't exist
so we also
speak to them
about that
and we have a
newsletter that
goes out once
a month
and that was
being put together
by this amazing
voluntary sector
team that didn't
exist until we
came into power
again and was
led until very
recently by the
amazing Amelia
Willis I know
she's not going
to be watching
but I think she's
absolutely excellent
and we're sad to
have lost her
and I also have
a WhatsApp group
where I just
share grants
and things that
the voluntary
sector might be
able to use
that goes out
to them as and
when that happens
and twice a year
we have a meeting
where we bring
everybody together
and then share
with them the
things that we're
doing in the
council across
every department
and also get
views from them
so we have a
very good dialogue
with them
one that didn't
exist before in
the past 44
years
as Councillor
Hedges mentioned
I am a member
of the voluntary
sector and I
know that never
exists that kind
of relationship
existed with the
council until we
took power
thank you
thank you
Councillor
Akinola
question number
13
Councillor
Dobries
Councillor
Henderson
thank you
thank you
madam mayor
and also
thank you
Councillor
Dobries
asking this
very important
question
which I know
impacts upon
a very considerable
number of people
staying well in
winter
winter is
undoubtedly
one of the most
pressurised times
of the year
and certainly
it is vitally
important that we
continue with our
tremendous support
for residents
during this very
difficult time
I mean much
of what we do
is actually
enshrined in a
comprehensive
winter health
plan which has
been discussed
thoroughly with
the NHS and
also the
voluntary community
organisations as
well
they are integral
parts of the
system in terms
of providing
support to local
residents
we have
also taken
to brief
all staff
within the
council
in order to
give assistance
and to give
advice to
people who
actually need
it
and that I
think is
certainly a
very considerable
and significant
development
we will
continue with
winter health
messaging
through
Brightside
and through
a wide range
of different
media as well
social media
that is also
very important
and of course
we will continue
with a number
of reasonably
well established
contributions
which we actually
make
I mean RAP
which is
essentially
a joint
project between
Richmond and
Wandsworth
supports
residents
with heating
and insulation
the health
bus will
continue
and that
certainly
is very
popular
and is very
well supported
in particular
the health
bus of course
administers
vaccines
it gives
advice
it suddenly
undertakes
health checks
etc
and also
even gives
advice on
energy saving
tips
in addition
we are working
very collaboratively
with the NHS
in terms of
providing community
health clinics
and that again
is vitally
important
that our
residents are
actually vaccinated
and to that
end
there is a
major initiative
around increasing
vaccinations
throughout the
borough
there are some
parts of the
cohort of
residents
that have in
the past
been certainly
difficult to
reach in terms
of vaccinations
I think we're
making very
considerable
progress in
relation to
that
but that
approach is
very much
targeted
because we
actually know
the people
or the groups
of people
and the
residents
and the
geography
so it is
actually a
very systematic
approach
in addition
of course
we have
community
spaces
we've opened
up council
buildings
and in
addition
have provided
family hubs
for example
in Roehampton
and also
in Battersea
which provide
a very key
resource
libraries
have had
the hours
of opening
extended
well I
am actually
answering the
question
I was asked
what are we
doing to
ensure the
residents of
the borough
are well
and I'm
actually
explaining
fundamental
things
and Thinking
Works for
example
provide
a winter
award for
service
also
winter
payments
of up to
£300
we've already
talked about
Madam Mayor
he's laughing
at you
I'm not
laughing at
you
I'm maybe
laughing at
you
please carry
on
Councillor
Henderson
I'm laughing
at you
because you
quite clearly
do not
understand
the very
first principles
of how we
actually protect
residents in
this borough
from winter
or indeed
anything else
associated with
health
sorry
please
let's
respect
all
members
sorry
did I
give you
the invitation
to speak
Councillor
sorry
did I
give you
the invitation
I have
not
invited you
to speak
sorry
Councillor
Henderson
please carry
on
and I
apologise
for the
disruptions
this is
uncalled for
this is not
appropriate
sorry I
did not
I do not
see anywhere
where it
says that
he's got
time to
time to
answer
response
time
I am
answering
the question
now you
may not
actually
like the
answer
because it
does
actually
show
you have
the power
under the
procedural
rules
to move
him on
but he
hasn't
finished
his
question
he hasn't
finished
answering
his
question
how can
I move
on
how long
are we
going to
let him
carry on
for
20 minutes
30 minutes
well I'm
sure
I'm just
curious
I don't
need to
answer
these
questions
I am
going to
go back
to
Councillor
Henderson
and we
are going
to stop
being rude
okay
Councillor
Henderson
please
carry on
and ignore
the
disruptions
I will
do
thank you
I think
it is
extremely
disappointing
that the
members
opposite
seem to
have
engaged
upon
a
quite
deliberate
policy
of
disruption
we've
actually
listened
to their
speeches
without
interruption
and they
should
actually
have
especially
at this
very time
of Christmas
have the
sensitivity
and good
practice
to do
Councillor
Henderson
I
understand
but
please
just
answer
the
question
I'm
not
feeling
too
good
about
this
whole
situation
myself
I mean
this has
become
like a
mockery
it just
feels like
pantomime
happening
here
so please
carry on
Councillor
Henderson
yeah I
think really
what actually
this comes
to in a
nutshell
is we
are providing
much much
more support
for residents
than the
party opposite
ever did
in the past
44 years
thank you
Councillor
Henderson
Councillor
Dobries
do you have
a supplementary
yeah
at the last
health
overview
and scrutiny
committee
we had a
really important
paper on
homelessness
and health
and needs
assessment
and it
had some
pretty
damning
findings
so what
is the
council
doing
especially
in winter
when
temperatures
start to
fall
to help
homeless
people
this winter
thank you
for your
question
Councillor
Henderson
yeah
thanks
thanks again
to you
Councillor
Dobries
for focusing
upon a
really
important
topic
homelessness
and health
a really
comprehensive
report
was actually
presented
to both
the health
and well
being board
and the
health
and scrutiny
committee
and indeed
it did
provoke
a very
lively
debate
I have
to say
some
aspects
of that
report
are frankly
very very
challenging
that's the
understatement
it's the
first needs
assessment
which has
actually been
undertaken
on this
particular
subject
since
2013
and the
reason why
it was
undertaken
is precisely
because
homelessness
has gone
through the
roof
it is at
its worst
level
since 2010
under the
previous
administration
both locally
and nationally
weightingness
are at a
record high
as a consequence
of their
policies
and what
we're actually
trying to do
is to tackle
with the
consequences
of that
I mean
it has to
be said
that homelessness
is actually
quite
has a wide
definition
I mean
it isn't just
simply people
who quite
literally are
sleeping
out rough
it can involve
obviously people
in temporary
accommodation
people who
are staying
with friends
and a wide
range of other
people
so it is a
very much
multifaceted
issue
and needless
to say
the needs
assessment
identified
a whole
range of
problems
both physical
and mental
and in
particular
extremely
damaging
implications
for children
who actually
live with
families
now in
terms of
what we're
actually doing
this is not
going to be
solved overnight
we are putting
in place
a range
of very
strategic
measures
in order
to ensure
that people
have far
greater access
to a whole
range of
NHS
and clinical
services
we're certainly
working with
the NHS
and the
voluntary sector
in order to
achieve that
and we're also
giving considerably
more support
in terms of
our immediate
actions
can we move
to the end
to the answer
so we can get
on to another
question please
well I am
answering the
question
in terms of
our immediate
support
we've actually
engaged an
extra 30
staff
specifically
on homelessness
and we're
actually bucking
the trend
from nationally
temporary
accommodation
is going
through the
roof
and once
we're actually
manamir this
is hopeless
will you take
the monitoring
officers advice
on your
powers to
move the
meeting along
I am
addressing a
I mean I
think it is
quite typical
isn't it
they're not
interested in
homelessness
and health
because they
actually caused
it
and it's
embarrassing
they are
embarrassing
their attitude
tonight has been
completely
embarrassing
thank you
second
supplementary
madam
mayor
I welcome
the cabinet
members comments
about addressing
challenges to do
with homelessness
and mental health
but we have
significant challenges
in this council
particularly in
relation to
rent arrears
now a lot of
that has been
caused by the
fact that in the
last year
the last two
years rather
we've seen
substantial
increases in
social rents
and we'll talk
through those
figures later
but can we have
a commitment
from the
cabinet member
for health
then we are
looking at
next year's
increases to
social rents
that you will
do all you
can to oppose
those
not impose
yet another
8 plus
percent increase
in social
rents in
this borough
council
Anderson
yeah thank
you thank
you for
the question
in fact the
rents which
have actually
been increased
are certainly
below in
inflation
and certainly
council rents
are much much
lower than
what prevails
in the private
sector
private sector
owners have
really gone
through the
roof and
that I think
is where
the principal
problem exists
what I will
say is
although I'm
obviously not
the cabinet
member for
housing the
cabinet does
have a very
thorough discussion
when setting
or agreeing
to rent
increases which
takes into
account the
social consequences
and implications
of that
we also do
have a very
generous scheme
of supporting
people and
I do know
that the last
finance committee
I think wrote
off a considerable
number of
debts so we
are sympathetic
we will continue
to monitor the
situation to
ensure the
rents are
actually affordable
and that is a
commitment I'm
sure that I can
give on behalf
of myself and
certainly colleagues
in the cabinet
thank you
thank you
councillor
henderson
question number
14
councillor
grey
oh
move on
ask on behalf
of councillor
grey
sorry
councillor
councillor
humphries
councillor 14
to the cabinet
member
thank you
thank you
for your
question
councillor
yes please
thank you
the increases
in national
insurance
contributions
will add
around 3.4
million pounds
to the direct
payroll costs
and this
includes half a
million pounds
of the housing
revenue account
staff employed
by the council
on fixed term
contracts are
included in these
figures
for agency
staff the council
is not responsible
for national
insurance contributions
for these staff
because they're
employed by their
agency
now we will
expect the daily
rates for agency
staff to increase
from next April
we can't
quantify at this
stage
one of the main
projects in the
change programme
is the greater
employer to attract
and retain staff
to ensure we are
not over reliant
on agency staff
which will help us
control costs
now the government
has given the
public sector
assurances that
any direct costs
from the change
to employers
national insurance
contributions
will be covered
by grant
but they've also
confirmed that
any indirect costs
from contractors
and partners
will not be
covered
I don't have
much more
information to
share with
Councillor Graham
or Councillor
Humphreys
at this stage
as officers
are still working
on quantifying
the overall
impact
with the aim
of including
this in the
budgets being
set for next
year
but it is worth
noting that the
Chancellor delivered
a budget with a
new range
with a range
of new measures
that Wandsworth
residents will
benefit from
including a rise
in the minimum
wage and an
increase in the
state pension
the budget
protected
people's pay
slips from
higher taxes
now the
Conservatives
wasted billions
of pounds
of taxpayers
money
crashing the
economy
leaving our
public services
diminished
this government
has a long
term plan
to repair
the public
finances
increase
investment
in the NHS
and other
public services
and increase
investment in
the economy
to unlock
growth
the budget
allocated over
£4 billion
in additional
funding for
local government
services
this is a
real terms
increase
with at least
£600 million
of new funding
for social care
SEND and
homelessness
services are
also receiving
more money
alongside
billions more
for the NHS
and schools
now national
insurance is a
key component
of funding
for public
services
and the budget
will raise
revenue to
support public
services
particularly in
health and
social care
the budget
will provide
the much
needed income
to allow
investment
in public
services
which have
been run
down by
the previous
government
these measures
were commended
by the
international
monetary fund
now in
addition
after six
years of
single year
settlements
under the
previous
government
we welcome
the news
of future
multi-year
settlements
which will
enable us
to make
strategic
planning
and investment
decisions
thank you
supplementary
thank you
councillor
island
moving on
to councillor
graham
second
supplementary
thank you
madam
mayor
well i
didn't
admittedly
catch the
first part
of her
answer but
i don't
think there
was an
answer to
the question
at the
very least
it's
interesting
that last
year
this council
received a
real terms
increase to
its funding
which was
described in
the council
press release
as a real
terms cut
this year
we could
well end up
with a real
terms cut
given all
of the
factors involved
and yet
they're already
describing it
as a real
terms increase
before they
even know
what it
is
it's
extraordinary
but can't
the cabinet
member at
least admit
this
given the
pressures
that the
labour
government
is going
to put
on the
council's
own
finances
this is
not the
time to
borrow over
one and a
half billion
pounds when
the costs
are fully
totaled
thank you
council
island
thank you
well we
don't have
the full
figures yet
we'll know
by the
19th of
December
just what
the settlement
will be
so really
my information
I've given
you is based
on the
information
that we
have
we will
be borrowing
money to
build homes
a thousand
new social
homes
for our
residents
which is
sorely
needed
14,000
families on
the council
waiting list
over 3,000
children will
wake up on
Christmas morning
in temporary
accommodation
absolutely
appalling
so yes
we do think
it's a good
idea to
borrow money
to invest
in our
services
thank you
second
supplementary
madam
councillor
law
thank you
I think
let's not
forget
the impact
of 14
years
of cuts
over the
last
government
it was a
political
choice
to sell
off playgrounds
cut library
hours
not build
enough
affordable
homes
not build
enough council
homes
and invest
properly in
social care
the cabinet
member mentioned
a 50% cut
in real
terms
a 50% cut
in the
government
grant
sorry
what does
that mean
in cash
terms
please
council
island
thank you
for your
question
well that's
over 100
million
in cash
terms
of course
that's a lot
more
in real
terms
now
one sort
of really
suffered from
this
while our
statutory
responsibilities
have increased
and demand
for our
services
have increased
we've had
less money
from the
government
now the
increase
we've had
in the
last couple
of years
has not
made up
for the
huge cuts
since the
coalition
government
in 2010
now these
cuts
have devastated
the lives
of many
of our
residents
and they're
turning to
us for
help
now just
to look
at the
context
of London
London's
population
has increased
by over
800,000
since 2010
yet overall
resources
available
are 18%
lower
in real
terms
according
to the
Institute
of Fiscal
Studies
there is
a 17%
gap
between
London
need
and actual
funding
this is
the highest
gap in
the country
I agree
austerity
was a
political
choice
and its
effects
have been
devastating
particularly
for residents
who rely
on public
services
now these
actions have
consequences
the funding
formulae have
not been
updated since
2013
and they
no longer
reflect need
this is
driving
competition
between
boroughs
across
London
for the
limited
supply
of services
for temporary
accommodation
temporary
accommodation
care workers
and placements
for children
looked after
resulting in
escalating
costs
councils
across
London
are facing
financial
difficulties
we are
still
recovering
from the
hyperinflation
created by
the catastrophic
kamikaze
mini budget
many of our
residents are
still struggling
with the cost
of living
crisis
and inadequate
supply of
private rented
homes
now this
council is
taking positive
action to
boost the
local supply
of affordable
housing
including our
homes for
ones with
policy building
a thousand
new social
homes
a policy not
supported by
the minority
party
and we are
proud to have
the largest
cost of living
support package
in London
which has
transformed the
lives of
many of our
residents
directly and
through our
local
reinvigorated
voluntary
organisations and
community
partners
again another
policy not
supported by
the minority
party thank
you
thank you
moving on to
now we
report number
one
items for
decision
I move
reception of
that report
and will ask
the council
whether they
approve the
recommendations
in paragraph
one
statement of
licensing policy
and principles
under the
gambling act
2005
paper number
24 to
302
other
recommendations
approved
thank you
paragraph
two
procurement
governance
update and
changes
paper number
24
24-342
other
recommendations
approved
all those
in favour
all those
against
any
abstentions
things
thank you
the
recommendations
have been
approved
paragraph
number
three
read the
numbers
please
thank you
so
so
4-32
against
21
and
one
abstention
paper
paragraph
three
has been
withdrawn
paragraph
four
treasury
management
mid-year
review
paper number
24
24-3
180
other
recommendations
approved
thank you
item
nine
is a matter
of local
or topical
interest
we have
received notice
of two matters
to consider
this evening
councillor Lee
you have up to
three minutes
to speak
on the matter
being raised
by the labour
group
which is
celebrating
one's worst
success
in supporting
leading
and championing
their social
work employees
councillor
Lee
thank you
madam
mayor
and good
evening
everyone
so
I would like
to take
this opportunity
to congratulate
our children's
services
department
who have
been
awarded
supportive
social work
employer
at the
prestigious
social worker
of the year
awards
2024
social work
is a profession
of immense
challenges
it is demanding
and emotive
our social workers
navigate complex
caseloads
while building
trust and
developing meaningful
relationships
with our
children
and families
that they support
it is a balancing
act that requires
dedication
resilience
and compassion
day after day
they play an
essential role
in the lives
of our residents
from safeguarding
our most vulnerable
youngest children
to helping
support families
and help young
people overcome
challenges
and achieve
their potential
as a council
we recognise
that to deliver
this vital support
we must create
an environment
where our social
workers feel
valued
empowered
and equipped
to succeed
I am proud
that Wandsworth
was specifically
recognised
for fostering
an empowering
collaborative
and innovative
workplace culture
this approach
has brought
measurable benefits
by improving
retention rates
we've reduced
reliance on agency
staff
and recruitment
costs
this has saved
the council money
but more importantly
it has ensured
continuity of care
for the children
young people
and families
in our borough
for those navigating
difficult circumstances
having a consistent
and trusted professional
by their side
is an invaluable
source of stability
and hope
I want to
extend congratulations
to Anna Popovici
Kate Stock
and the entire
children's services team
for making
this achievement
possible
this award
also reaffirms
our commitment
as a council
to become
a great employer
not just for our
social workers
but for everyone
who works
with this organisation
we are committed
to being an employer
that listens
learns
and adapts
as councillors
we must also
reflect
on our contribution
to shaping
this culture
on our
overview
and scrutiny
committees
are we providing
constructive
challenge
are we acting
as critical
friends
through our
members inquiries
in council
meetings
with officers
are we engaging
with professionalism
and respect
in the spirit
of Christmas
and this festive
period
I ask that we
take a moment
to reflect
on our
individual
influence
and that in
the new year
we take
inspiration
from the
achievements
of our
children's team
and strive
to also create
empowering
collaborative
and innovative
working environments
across every corner
of our council
this is what
our staff
deserve
this is what
our officers
deserve
and this is what
our residents
deserve
thank you
thank you
councillor lee
councillor stock
would you like
to answer
thank you
madame
thank you
councillor lee
for spotlighting
our achievement
and thank you
for your
reflections
just now
on how
as members
we can
consider that
reflection
and achievement
and think about
the way
that it impacts
our work
so our
workforce
is
our greatest
asset
because to
improve outcomes
for children
staff must be
empowered to
build trusted
relationships
with families
we are
unapologetic
in prioritising
our ambition
to be a
supportive employer
we aspire
to get the
best out
of our
employees
so they
can get
the best
out of
the families
they work
with
our
relational
way of
working
requires us
to have
this
as our
foundation
and I
too
would like
to thank
our
executive
director
Anna Popovici
for her
leadership
in making
this
a reality
to demonstrate
our impact
this is what
a young person
has said
about their
social worker
you've helped
me a lot
and you've
shown me
that you
are happy
for me
my social
worker is
always available
for me
and she is
honest with
the plans
she's really
helpful
and we have
a great
relationship
we are
immensely proud
of the work
our social
workers
and multidisciplinary
practitioners do
to keep
children safe
and well
that's why
this labour
administration
wants to be
a great
employer
by investing
in modern
offices
embedding
development
opportunities
and new
schemes
to improve
staff
well-being
all with
a very
clear aim
to attract
and retain
the very
best people
unfortunately
Wandsworth
Tories
record
was of
children's
services
that Ofsted
judged
to be
failing
children
under their
inadequate
leadership
the use
of agency
staff
spiralled
out of
control
peaking
at nearly
40%
of social
care
staff
that
disproportionately
higher
agency
cost
meant
that
over
60%
of the
entire
council's
revenue
spend
was spent
fixing the
problems
they caused
an irresponsible
use of
taxpayers money
and perhaps
an example
of the
Conservatives
putting ideology
above outcomes
in contrast
this Labour
council has
worked to
fix the
foundations
to improve
children's
life chances
we have
worked to
strengthen
our staff
retention
and recruitment
and build
a workforce
with shared
values
and the
impact of
that is
clear
as of
September
our agency
rates have
reduced to
9%
well below
the 2023
London
average
of 23%
so this
council can
and should
be proud
of its
achievements
but we
are not
complacent
we recognise
that children's
needs are
changing
and so
must we
so we will
be a
forward-looking
innovative
council
and strive
to make
our best
even better
and to do
so we are
cultivating
an environment
where everybody
can feel
empowered
to participate
innovate
and lead
why
because it
really matters
to me
that we
deliver
better support
for every
child
because every
child
matters
thank you
thank you
councillor
stark and
well done
miss
popovich
and
children's
services
for all
your
achievements
for the
second
matter
of local
or topical
interest
could I
ask
councillor
corner
to speak
on the
issue
being raised
by the
conservative
group
which is
the failure
of
Wandsworth
council
to bring
an end
to the
ongoing
protest
on
riverside
walk
in
nine
elms
and the
repeated
failure
of
leadership
by the
council's
administration
to stand
up for
Wandsworth's
residents
in the
face of
disruptive
protests
thank you
madam
mayor
i wish
to raise
a really
important
issue
about the
ongoing
protest
at
riverside
walk
in
nine
elms
and the
failure
of the
council
leadership
to
effectively
respond
to the
disruption
and
distress
it has
caused
since it
began
on the
1st
of
september
the
right
to
protest
is
of
course
a
corner
stone
of
any
democratic
society
but we
must also
be clear
that this
right
does not
extend
to
causing
unchecked
disruption
damage
and
intimidation
to the
communities
in which
protests
occur
and this
is particularly
important
in areas
where protests
can be
expected
like near
the US
embassy
for almost
four months
residents
on nine
elms
lane
have
endured
excessive
noise
late into
the night
the defacement
of public
property
with political
slogans
and the
erection
of tents
and fires
and lighting
of fires
in public
spaces
a key
walkway
into the
borough
has been
blocked
making our
area look
terrible
in the
run up
to being
the
London
borough
of culture
the sense
of safety
and security
particularly
for those
walking
in the
area
late at
night
has been
undermined
councillor
Justin and
I have
worked with
the police
in residence
asked questions
at two
meetings
of full
council
written to
the mayor
of London
and presented
a petition
signed by
over 200
local people
to this
council
we have
also written
to the
leader of
the council
but no
reply
has been
received
despite the
mounting
disruption
and repeated
calls for
intervention
the council's
administration
has failed
to act
this inaction
has sent a
dangerous
message
that disruptive
and intimidating
protesters
can act
with impunity
in our
borough
this is not
an isolated
incident
residents have
seen similar
protests
disrupt other
areas of
Wandsworth in
recent years
with no
action being
taken
either
the failure
to manage
the current
protest
in Nine
Elms
is the
latest
chapter
of this
catalogue
of failures
the
administration
needs to
do better
it needs to
strike a
better
balance
between
upholding
the right
to protest
and protecting
the rights
of residents
to live
in a safe
and secure
environment
they really
need to
state publicly
that they
do not
believe
the current
protest
at the
Nine
Elms
pavilion
is acceptable
they should
apply for
an injunction
to end
the current
protest
because it
has broken
a number
of laws
and caused
such disruption
they should
ensure the
damage done
by protesters
in the area
is repaired
and made
good
to include
the removal
of graffiti
and repairs
to any
damaged parts
of the
streetscape
in the area
and they
need to
set out
a framework
by which
the council
will use
to manage
protests
across the
borough
in the
future
the council
leadership
also need
to commit
to working
more
collaboratively
with residents
and other
agencies
particularly
the police
in the
management
of all
major
protests
this
administration
said it
would run
a listening
council
now is the
time to
live up to
that
they need
to protect
our community
uphold the
law
and ensure
that protests
do not
infringe
on the
rights of
others
to live
in peace
and safety
thank you
councillor
you have
three minutes
should you
wish to
respond
I'd like
to thank
the
councillor
for raising
that
important
issue
I mean
community
safety
is the
top
priority
for this
council
it's one
of the
basics
that council
must provide
before anything
else matters
we work
incredibly closely
with the
police
to manage
protests
as you say
balancing
their
legitimate
right to
protest
with the
needs
of the
local
community
the police
conduct
regular
engagement
with the
protesters
down at
the
Nine Elms
site
which they
keep us
closely
sighted
on
we are
monitoring
the
situation
and we're
confident
that the
police
are taking
the right
approach
to managing
what has
been a
peaceful
protest
the community
has fed
back positively
about the
police and
the council's
response
I would
note
that there
is a long
tradition of
protest in
Battersea
residents there
have campaigned
against the
slave trade
animal testing
the Boer
War
women's
rights
environmental
issues
and of course
more recently
when you
tried to
close Battersea
Arts Centre
and charge
children £2.50
to use
a playground
Wandsworth
Labour's
record on
community
safety speaks
for itself
we've invested
in new
CCTV officers
providing
considerably
more monitoring
time in one
of London's
largest CCTV
networks
police regularly
feedback on how
important and
effective this is
it has caught
criminals it has
helped to save
lives
we've doubled
the number of
community safety
officers in the
borough and
we've doubled
support for
victims of
domestic violence
we will
continue to
work for a
society where
people feel safe
to go about
their lives and
also feel safe to
express their
political views
because they are
two sides of
the same coin
I appreciate you
find these protests
irritating but I
hope you can see
the overall and
central value of
dissent I'm proud
that this is a
country I'm proud
that this is a
country where we
distrust authority
including political
leaders you can show
up and shout to
us that's absolute
core of what we do
and it works
in Britain we
combine persistent
division with
relative harmony
we learn to
disagree well and
we see the
eventual compromise
we reach as
victory not
betrayal we're
proud to be a
country that both
loves peace and
quiet and has
that restless and
demanding conscience
so those are the
two sides to the
coin without
dissent without
error correction
without protest
we wouldn't have
had those debates
about religious
liberty about
equality about
the rights of
women about
foreign affairs and
democracy and I
think we're all the
better for having
those debates
thank you
councillor
hock the
whips have
agreed that
item 17
will be taken
next item
17 is the
motion on
compassion at
christmas can
I ask councillor
hock
can I ask
councillor
hock
can I ask
councillor
hock to move
and councillor
ambash to second
the motion in
their names
moved
second
thank you
so an
amendment to
the motion
has also
been
circulated
may I ask
councillors
hamilton and
sutters to move
and second
their amendment
happy to move
thank you
there is actually
no vote on
that
point of
order
councillor
corner what
point of
order
can you see
I'm speaking
I am still
speaking
standing
order
16
points of
order
there is a
vote on
this
there is a
motion on
the same
topic at
the end
of the
meeting
thank you
councillor
corner I
was coming
to that
that there
will be
a movement
well you
could have
asked
them to
move this
forward
this could
have been
moved forward
before
before two
hours
madam
mayor
sorry
there is
no point
of
order
here
I'm allowed
to make
a point
of
order
you
haven't
heard
what
it
is
yet
it's
entirely
within
your rights
and prerogatives
to bring
that vote
forward so
that it
can be heard
by those
in the gallery
and they
can go
home
if you
wish to
do
that
you
can
and
there's
nothing
stopping
you
and
you
could
have
brought
this
up
two
hours
earlier
as
well
if I
could
invite
councillor
ambush
thank you
did I
say that
no I
did not
I did
not say
them
words
do not
say that
do not
say
things
you
could
bring
it
forward
madam
mayor
we
would
like
to
offer
you
some
solidarity
from our
side
for the
mansplaining
that's going
on
and the
constant
interruptions
and heckling
which quite
frankly
are not
appropriate
to the
mayor
at all
so apologies
for their
behaviour
dear
residents
dear
residents
and viewers
can you
hear I
am
talking
can you
hear I
am
talking
sorry
can you
hear that
I'm
talking
I'm
addressing
that
I want
to respect
residents
time
are you
talking
about
respect
to
me
let me
tell the
residents
we had a
meeting
beforehand
the
whips
knew about
this
both sides
knew about
this
but nobody
decided to
bring it
forward
then
so do
not make
me look
like I
am the
one on
this
position
your
whip
and you
knew
about
this
it
is my
choice
and you
could have
moved this
two hours
before
you knew
your
residents
sorry
stop
you knew
your
residents
sorry
can you
just
excuse
me
not
it's not
ours
it's the
residents
that are
asking to
bring it
forward
madam
mayor
residents
I understand
that you've
been sitting
here for
nearly two
hours
and I
understand
that you've
had to
face a
lot of
disruptions
and a
lot of
unnecessary
behaviour
tonight
and I
sympathise
with you
and so
therefore
I am
going to
be moving
the vote
forward
sorry I
don't
understand
what there's
to chuckle
about
also
residents
this could
have been
moved two
hours
forward
but the
councillors
did not
ask me
or did
not
tell me
about
this
they've
had
enough
ample
time
to tell
me
about
this
she is
she is
and we
have
an
agreed
order
of
business
which
is
that
one
motion
comes
from
one
party
in
one
meeting
first
and
then
that
the
next
meeting
it's
from
the
other
party
it
comes
first
so
what's
now
being
requested
is
that
we
reverse
the
order
of
the
motions
well
unless
you're
just
saying
that
we're
just
going
to
vote
on
it
without
speeches
which
I'm
sure
none
of
us
would
mind
that's
completely
untrue
we've
had
the
main
motions
please
decide
please
with
disruptions
I've
told
sorry
I have
told
the
residents
that I
am
going
to
go
for
the
vote
okay
so
now
everything
has
changed
so
now
I
am
looking
for
the
correct
place
so
please
just
give
me
a
moment
item
18
is
the
motion
on
the
failure
of
Wandsworth
council
to
bring
an
end
to
the
ongoing
protest
on
riverside
walk
in
nine
elms
and
the
repeated
failure
of
leadership
by the
council's
administration
to
stand up
for
Wandsworth
residents
in the
face
of
disruptive
protests
can
can
I
ask
sorry
I
haven't
even
finished
can
you
just
let
me
finish
have
some
manners
can
I
ask
councillor
corner
sorry
I'm
still
speaking
can
I
ask
councillor
corner
to
move
and
councillor
justin
to
second
the
motion
in
their
names
I
would
like
to
propose
the
motion
and
have
a
named
vote
seconded
thank
you
councillors
please
indicate
for
against
or
abstain
councillor
Akinola
against
councillor
Ambash
against
councillor
Anand
against
councillor
Apps
against
councillor
councillor
Austin
for
councillor
Ayres
against
councillor
Belton
councillor
Burchill
for
councillor
Boswell
against
councillor
Brooks
for
councillor
Caddy
for
councillor
Colclay
against
councillor
Cooper
not here
councillor
corner
for
councillor
Critchard
against
councillor
Crivelli
for
councillor
Davis
against
councillor
Dulles
Oja
for
councillor
Dickerdom
against
councillor
Dobre
against
councillor
French
against
councillor
Fraser
against
councillor
Gasser
against
councillor
Goshane
for
councillor
Govindia
for
councillor
mrs
graham
for
councillor
graham
for
councillor
grimston
for
councillor
Hamilton
for
councillor
hedges
for
councillor
Henderson
against
councillor
councillor
against
councillor
humphreys
councillor
Ireland
councillor
Jeffries
for
councillor
Justin
for
councillor
Lawless
against
councillor
Lee
against
councillor
Locker
not here
no
councillor
marshall
against
councillor
against
councillor
mayorcress
against
councillor
Osborne
against
councillor
Owens
for
councillor
paul
against
councillor
pridham
for
councillor
Richard
jones
for
councillor
Rigby
against
councillor
stock
against
councillor
sutters
for
councillor
sweet
for
for
councillor
tiller
against
councillor
Varach
against
councillor
white
against
Councillor Worrell.
Against.
Councillor Yates.
Against.
Councillor Belton.
I wouldn't normally get up in these circumstances, but I do think that actually imitating and
pretending you're voting when someone's not here is actually a fairly appalling thing to
happen in a democratic organisation, and I would wish you to have a word with it.
I'm not sure who it was, but someone quite clearly tried to vote when they had no right
to vote, and I think that undermines the whole system.
Agreed.
I'm sorry.
Thank you for your apology, noted.
Indeed noted.
So, that's 4.22.
Against.
4.22 against.
30.
The motion is lost.
The motion is lost.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
is lost. Thank you.
Councillor Ambash, would you like to speak?
Thank you, Madam Mayor. I hope we might get all party support for compassion and for fairness.
This does not mean that we agree on everything, but similarly to the way we work on the Grants
Committee, a joint vote would show that we can act and work together on occasions.
I'm going to say something about the cost of living programme, the low council tax, access
for all and debt, and sound financial management. Our ambitious cost of living programme helps
those who are struggling with finance, with heating their accommodation and putting food
on the table for their families. One of the many excellent projects that the council is
running is extending our warm spaces in libraries while offering children activities and energy
advice sessions. We are making winter payments worth up to £300 for our elderly residents
who are not currently in receipts of pension credit, but are on council tax reduction scheme.
By working in partnership with the voluntary sector so we can reach parts of the community
that are hard to reach, many projects now use volunteer help from those who are themselves
receiving help. Many projects are helping residents and communities become more financially sustainable
in the longer term. A recent grant we made on the Grants Committee was to St. Michael's
and St. Stephen's Churches to open their doors to those in the community and other community
organisations offering community lunches, advice sessions, homework clubs, intergenerational
activities and much more.
Councillors, please do encourage new and emerging community groups in your ward to bid for our
start-up grants to extend the voluntary sector activities. Council tax hits those on low incomes
hardest, so it is right to restrict increases. We remain proud to have the lowest council tax
in the country. We have exempted 10,000 households on lowest incomes from paying any council tax in
Wandsworth. Those with the broadest shoulders should pay more, so we agreed with all parties support that those with
second properties should pay double council tax. The council is being proactive in helping residents
access benefits using lift to identify beneficiaries, auto-enrolment for free school meals and encouraging
take-up of pension credit and attendance allowance. Access for all gives free access to leisure facilities such as
swimming, gym, pitch and punch, tennis and ensures all residents, including children, have equal opportunities.
There are discounted rates for Battersea fireworks and Ex-mas pantomimes.
All parties on the finance committee agreed a fair debt charter, which means the council works fairly with
residents to help resolve matters where residents have debts owing to the council.
On sound financial management, our reserves are in good health with over 200 million pounds compared with many
other authorities that are struggling. Our finance staff have done well this year in realising strong
performance on our investment income. We support prudent borrowing to gain substantial long-term
housing assets and reduce paying so much for emergency temporary accommodation. So this year our
temporary accommodation is costing about 30 million pounds. Further, local permanent housing is much better
for families, staying near their family support and support networks and maintaining children in stable local
education. So let's debate the details of exactly how we act fairly. But let's all agree that we share
compassionate values. And I hope you will show this by voting unanimously for this motion. Thank you.
Thank you, Councillor Ambash. Councillor Suttis.
I'm just not used to speaking in this chamber anymore. I'll start off by saying that I rather like the title of the motion and note that it chimes with your tagline structured around the idea of a more compassionate,
more compassionate and fairer council. But it's not lost on me that in using this phraseology,
and in many of your words tonight, you throw shade on the previous administration, not always fairly.
And you sprinkle a little fairy dust on the decisions you take.
I must also point out that some of the matters that are listed are legacy issues and have their roots
in the work of the previous administration and the Conservative government. You can find more details of
these in the counter motion. But let me get back to the main thrust of my speech.
I may be wrong, but I believe that your substantive decisions who and what to support appear to rely
heavily on the work of your various commissions, ostensibly independent, but stuck to the gills with
left-leaning individuals. This allows your policy to be formulated by Salima slicing through your
manifesto commitment of ambitious for all to become ambitious for some. And so, in the spirit of
compassionate Christmas, I have come up with my own list. They may not be as worthy as some of the ones
you have spoken about, but they're what residents talk to me about, and surely we should be listening.
Number one, police deployment. And we just had the Nine Elms debate. Residents want to be able to rely
upon the police and on their local teams. So, when they are abstracted, which they are now frequently,
they leave the local area uncovered. To my mind, if you call yourself the West Putney SNT,
you should be in West Putney. And that seems to suggest to me that we have a lack of police numbers,
and that it's only going to get worse. So, can I ask the administration to assure council that they
are speaking with the commissioner about this and what they intend to do?
Number two, we have covered this in part tonight. Pensioners not in receipt of pension credit,
who have lost their winter fuel benefit. Remember when you upped your allowances? Do you remember
what you said to us? Well, not many people can afford to be a councillor, so we need to pay
more. I don't think many people can afford to be a pensioner on a basic pension in Wandsworth in the
winter of 2024. These are residents who paid their stamp yet only get a tad over the pension credit
and none of the additional benefits. This inequality is hardly in line with your manifesto promise
of prosperity for all. I would ask you whether you could do better. I know you have made a tad of a
change by allowing two, three hundred pounds for those under 80 and those above 80, but honestly,
I don't think it's enough. Number three on my list is Bradstow School. If ever we needed compassion,
it is here. To be honest, it broke my heart when I heard the news that you were thinking of closing
Bradstow, but it's not my heart we should worry about. It's the heart of the 68 pupils and their families.
A residential school of excellence for children with severe autism and fragile eggs. I would like
to ask how many of you have visited. I have and I was really moved. It is irreplaceable and once it's
gone, it's gone. Introduce change management if it needs it. Sit on those councils that aren't paying
their bills, but for heaven's sake, find a way to keep it open. And finally on my list of requests tonight,
I would like to refer to tomorrow's planning committee, Ashburton Estate Applications.
And again, I went back to your manifesto of 2022. You promised to be a listening council that gives you
the residents' control. You said you, that is the resident, will decide what housing is built in your
neighbourhood. Well, that definitely hasn't happened here. You have been faced with a wall of opposition,
which you've blamed on us, but I promise you, even without our support, the residents would have kicked off.
I always think we do not really own anything as a council. We are custodians. We manage land and
resources for the people of Wandsworth. And it is their will that should be respected and lead. And just
because you live in a council housing should not mean your voice residents less. I really hope that
tomorrow night we will be listened to. Thank you so much and happy Christmas to everybody.
Thank you, Councillor Satches. Councillor Boswell.
Thank you very much, Madam Mayor. This time of year can be a time of reflection as well as celebration.
And I wanted to use this speech not only to celebrate all the numerous examples of kindness,
fairness and compassion woven into this administration's policies, but also to remember
what has been done in this borough over the years. The unkindness. The unkindness of policies designed
to drive out of Wandsworth people that need social housing and are in need of public services.
The unkindness and unfairness meted out by the conservative-led government of Cameron and Osborne.
It was unkindness and unfairness dressed up as austerity in order to cut and cut public services,
as Councillor Arm Arland said, a political choice.
I was here a decade ago, a bit over, where these cuts were being made in Wandsworth, closing down youth
clubs, short-start centres, one o'clock clubs, adventure playgrounds, and even an attempt to close
down a library that was being used by more children than any other library in the borough.
I saw that, and I witnessed that. I was angry about it then, and I am still angry about it now.
So, in contrast to this administration's values of fairness, kindness, and compassion.
We're launching a play strategy and a youth strategy that have kindness woven into them.
The compassion to understand the value of having somewhere to go and someone to talk to after a bad
day at school, or when things are tough at home. That's the last thing you cut.
And whether you're five years old or 25 years old, our youth strategy targets children all the way
through and up to 25 years old for those with special educational needs, far wider than the national
average of eight to 16. And the kindness and fairness of our Go Find Them strategy, where those in need
of services are proactively sought out, taking the services to them where they are and breaking down
the barriers to access, not waiting for them to come to us. And our family hubs in Battersea and Roehampton,
where services are now all in one place, and families can register births at the same time
as dropping off kids at soft play, access health services, get immunizations, see a health visitor,
and get a free hot drink and access Wi-Fi. Compassion. I also want to say that, in my opinion, there has been
far too much unkindness. And I was going to say, in this country and around the world, but the way that
people have behaved in this chamber tonight, that's unkind and unfair. And I'm horrified.
There's been far too much in recent years of this unkindness, and to go back to my speech, none more so than the
previous government's attitude to refugees and asylum seekers. Stirring up hatred against people who often,
through no fault of their own, arrive on our shores seeking refuge. Like Yusuf, not his real name,
an unaccompanied minor from Afghanistan, who is placed with Wandsworth foster carers.
I spend a lot of time meeting our foster carers and children and young people in the counselor's
care. And I met Yusuf's foster mom a few months ago with you, Madam Mayor. I think you'll probably
remember this. And she told me his story. He had walked from Afghanistan, crossing five countries,
staying in passenger houses over route, en route, and sometimes on his own and sometimes with others,
before eventually crossing the channel and arriving at Dover. And I asked his foster carer how a refugee
youngster arriving at Dover had been placed in care in Wandsworth. And she said, because Wandsworth
takes its share. Because Wandsworth takes its share. And that is because we are a borough of sanctuary.
And in that processing center, on that day in Dover, Wandsworth was there on the road to stepping up and
offering a place in care for an unaccompanied minor. And thank you so much to Councillor Varatharaj and
the whole team that fought for us to be a borough of cancer. And Yusuf, incidentally,
is now thriving and doing really well at school and wanting to study engineering. I commend this motion
to the chamber.
Thank you, Councillor Boswell. Councillor Hamilton.
Thank you very much, Madam Mayor. It's a pleasure to speak in this debate this evening. And can I also
begin by welcoming Councillor Sutters, who I think is the ultimate voice of common sense,
back to the chamber this evening. I know we're all delighted to see you here.
Thank you. Given that it's Christmas, I'd hope to start on a more optimistic note. But I do feel
that I should start by, I think, taking issue with what Councillor Boswell has said, particularly
about the Conservative Party's record when it comes to refugees, and to those coming to this country
to seek sanctuary and to seek protection from dictatorial regimes and those that abuse their human rights.
I'm delighted, as are all members of this group, to hear of the example of Yusuf and to hear how well
that he is doing. But I cannot let it be said that the Conservative Party, who in government implemented
one of the largest resettlement schemes for refugees coming from Ukraine, is somehow uncaring. I cannot
also look at our own benches and the family backgrounds and personal stories of members of our
own group and allow that to go unchallenged. The Conservative Party is a party that looks to the world,
and I will continue my remarks that looks to the world and always welcomes refugees to our shore.
I also wanted to thank Councillor Ambash for the comments that he made this evening. Serving with
him on the Grants Committee, but also having served under him as Mayor, he has been a paragon of fairness
throughout my dealings with him. And I know that the approach that he brings to grants is a hugely
consensual one that Councillor Hedges and myself on the Grants Committee have hugely welcomed. So a big
thank you to Councillor Ambash for much of the work that he has done to work with us over the last year.
Now when I look at the shopping list of items that was included by the administration on their motion
this evening, there is much superficially to welcome. A lot of this sounds good. And of course,
at this time of year, we all welcome the idea of compassion. But as Councillor Sutters said in her own
remarks this evening, it is important that we remember that when we look behind this Advent calendar of
Labour's supposed achievements, behind them lies 44 years of Conservative administration.
It is the Conservative Party's reserves, understanding that you don't just spend money,
but you save it for difficult times, which has allowed the Council in these difficult moments to be
generous and to extend the hand of support to those who need it so badly. But it is important,
of course, also to touch upon where this Labour administration's policies are not doing well,
are not serving the people of this borough. And when it comes to compassion, the issue of housing
is an extremely important one. Now the motion refers to sound financial management. But I think
it's important to know that the borrowing, which the administration is proposing, totals 668 million
for the next 10 years, with interest payments of 606 million. And over the next 50 years, that is
estimated to be 1.5 billion. Compassion cannot simply be today, but it also needs to be tomorrow.
And the ability to invest in difficult times is built on things like reserves, not a pile of debt,
which is that the Labour Party are pursuing in office. Similarly, when it comes to one's human
dignity, having a place to live, feeling secure, a home is the most important thing you can have,
and Councillor Henderson made reference to that earlier this evening. But the reality is, over the
last two years, this administration has raised housing rents by 15%, more than 15%. At the same time,
if you compare rent arrears in this borough to the year 1920, there were 7,752 properties that were in
rent arrears. As of the 7th December, that figure has gone up to 17,487, with a 30% increase over the
last year alone. I would question whether the Labour Party's focus on increasing rents, increasing
charges, wherever it may be, and whatever committee we sit on, is really serving the needs of residents
of this borough, particularly when it comes to the ability and the need to feel safe in one's own home.
Now, there's obviously ideological dividing lines that exist between the Conservative Party
and the Labour Party. The Labour Party likes to tax, likes to take money, likes to spend money,
and likes to run social programmes. Some of those are necessary, and we as a Conservative group would
never argue against them. But when it comes to compassion, the most important things that people
can feel are being safe in their own home, which is why I think this evening's behaviour on the part of
the Labour Party when it comes to protests in Nine Elms that are materially damaging the quality of
people's life, that doesn't indicate compassion. It indicates that you're ignoring the views of
residents. Similarly, when it comes to issues in relation to housing and the future of housing policy
in this borough, we're heading down a road with the proposed revisions to the local plan that will come
in front of this council to take away the ability of people or restrict the ability of people to buy
their own home as opposed to live in social rental accommodation. And we as Conservatives believe people
should be able to own their own home, to get on the housing ladder, to enjoy the benefits of policies
like Right to Buy that have transformed so many lives. So whilst I respect the spirit of the motion put
forward by the Labour Party this evening, and I believe that many of your members believe you are
doing the right thing, I would urge you as we enter the new year to take a good look at your policies
and see are they serving the aspirations of the people of Wandsworth? Are they really serving
their ability to get ahead in life? Because the greatest thing that we can do to demonstrate
compassion in this borough is to give people a leg up, to give them an opportunity to own and to give
them an opportunity to have a future properly in this borough. Thank you very much and have a great Christmas.
Thank you.
Thank you Councillor Hamilton. Councillor Diggard.
I'm going to use my time this evening to try and address the points that have been raised by the
opposition, which I think is broadly falling into a number of categories. So I'm going to try to cover
rents, planning reform, the issue around safety, community policing, and the financial question of
Conservative Party reserves and borrowing and the questions of saving up for tomorrow. Before I do
that though, I think it's worth stating that in the simplest possible terms, the project that I see
myself as part of, that I think this group sees themselves as part of and that motivates me to get up every
morning, is the project of trying to redistribute resources and power, right? That's the starting point,
because some people can kind of manage themselves when they're faced with the market forces that have
come to dominate our lives, but others can't. And I think their lives, their contributions, their
aspirations are just as important. And I think that's what's at the heart of this motion, is that
this council wants to intervene to try and protect those who can't survive in this world in which market
forces come to dominate our lives. And so it's unsurprising why social housing has become such an
obsession of mine because it's, you know, uncontrolled speculative housing markets have led to one of
the most basic human rights, basic human needs, shelter of your head, becoming, you know, basically
unavailable to people within a single generation in this borough. And I think we're still trying to
grapple with the consequences and reality of that. And to be frank, we are firefighting, you know,
we're firefighting that crisis. We're using all the powers we have at our disposal to try and protect
those at the sharpest end. And some of that is going to have more than just a focus on access
to resources, because we know that our resources are limited by the factors of national government,
of what we can do as a council. But we are, and you know we are, because you criticise us for doing
it, squeezing every possible avenue to direct those resources to those at the sharpest end when it comes
to the housing crisis, and doing everything in our power to try and alleviate some of the unfairness
there. So I'm going to focus first on rents. So the rents question that you raise, we've tackled
this at this council before. We set rents in line with the government guidance on CPI plus one. Now,
for decades, your conservative administration consistently raised rents above, no, no, no,
above the government guidance regularly. And then you would often freeze just before a political cycle.
This is evidenced by the statistics over the last 20 years. Then there was a four-year
cut by George Osborne. Now, the purpose of that cut was to remove money from the housing revenue
account that we use to try and maintain our properties in order to try and reduce the benefits
bill. That was the purpose of it. And so for us, serious financial management is making sure that we
have a healthy HRA. And so most of the most vulnerable residents when these rent increases have happened,
which are statutory CPI plus one, it's set by the government, we meet those so that our housing
revenue account is protected, we can look after our stock, and those residents on housing benefit
don't get hit because their benefit has risen in line with that. And those who work, which I think
is going to be your point, those who don't have access to benefit, we are focusing all our resources
to make sure that they are protected. Now, the rent arrears question that is formulated from this,
so we're monitoring it very closely. The large jump is to do with universal move to universal credit.
So the figures are scary, and we're worried about them. But one of the issues that you've picked up
in the big jump from 7,000 to 17,000 is that move from the benefit being directly paid to the council
to going on to universal credit, which means that there are some delays. Now, we're going to come
to this council with a transparent breakdown of how many of those are these
administration delays that are causing that, and how many of these are people that need support
and looking after. And we are willing to do that. It is part of our administration's priorities.
The second thing I want to talk about before I run out of time is the issue of borrowing and
the issue of the Conservative Party resources. Because while I was in opposition, we desperately
asked you to borrow on the housing revenue account when interest rates were at almost 0.1%. You could
have saved this borough millions and millions of pounds that we could have spent on building housing,
on long-term public works and board loans. Now, absolutely, we still have thousands of families
who are in temporary accommodation, which is costing us in the long run. If we had taken out those loans,
then we would have saved money. We know this. And I can understand some of the logics why you might
have done it at the time. But that was a missed opportunity. This council can't wait. This council
cannot wait and allow the housing crisis to get worse. It cannot allow increased 4,000 families to be in
temporary accommodation long-term. That is an existential financial crisis for local authorities
all across London and across the country. And so by borrowing to invest, it's just like a mortgage.
It's an incredibly responsible thing to do. I'm happy to give away, yeah.
Well, I'm grateful to him. And I do think it's to his credit that he is one of the few members of
this administration who will give way and he doesn't shy away from a debate. So I do credit him for that.
Does he accept, though, that on his plans, he's borrowing money over 50 years to build a relatively
small number of units. And it's going to take him, what, a good 10 years to build them all out?
It's a drop in the ocean of the housing crisis. Shouldn't he, if he really wanted to borrow money
and make an immediate impact, borrow it to buy up properties, which arguably he could do cheaper than
building them? I think that's an important point to make and one that needs to be on the record,
is that we do purchase properties. But the idea that you can compare a brand new to modern spec,
green brand new council home to a purchase back, to say it's a drop in the ocean fundamentally
misunderstands the reality of the lived experience of the people that we talk to every single day.
These 1,000 homes will not be in a drop in the ocean to the thousands of families on the waiting
list. And the way that allocations work means that by building 1,000 homes, you're housing 3,000,
4,000 individuals in this borough who otherwise would be placed in poor quality
temporary accommodation or stuck in overcrowded accommodation. This is the business that we are in,
the business of changing lives, the business of giving people an opportunity to get on in life.
And a social and secure affordable rent over their heads is one of the most important things we can
do. And if this counts as a drop in the ocean, saving 4,000 people, 5,000 people, then that is
the best life's work I could ever commit myself to. And that's why we'd like you to support this motion.
And sadly, the light has gone red, but 50,000 people have added access to free swim and gym
because of the access for all program. I mean, I think you really need to reflect on how significant
the access for all program is. You should look into it. It's incredible. It means that some of the
unaccompanied refugees who arrive here can just, you know, can go and spend time with other young
people in sports facilities that we run. It's an incredible program. So sadly, I've run out of time,
but this council is dedicated to trying to make this a fairer, more equal borough. We are willing
to open ourselves up to criticism, but we have serious moral commitments. And those commitments
are not just because we think that it's a nice thing to do. We think it's imperative to make
people's lives better and inspire. Thank you, Councillor Dickadam. The matter now before the council is
the amendment moved by Councillor Hamilton and seconded by Councillor Sutters. All those in favour of the
amendment? All those against? Any abstentions? Thank you.
So we've got 4, 22, 31 against and zero abstentions. The motion is, the amendment is carried,
is not carried. Sorry, is not carried. Okay, so now.
So all those in favour of the substantive motion?
All those in favour? All those in favour? All those in favour? All those in favour? Any abstentions?
All those in favour? All those in favour? All those in favour? All those in favour?
The motion is carried by 32 in favour and zero against and 21 abstentions.
Madam Mayor, can I ask? Thank you. Firstly, I would like to thank you for chairing this evening and
doing so with fortitude and with determination. So thank you so much.
And secondly, as we're all looking forward to Mince Pies as well, now that we've sat for more than
two and a half hours and two and a half hours. I move that we move the remaining business of the
council agenda is disposed of under procedure in standing order 32. Thank you very much.
Thank you. Do we have a seconder? Seconded.
Thank you. As the council has sat for more than two and a half hours,
it has been moved and seconded that the remaining items of business and tonight's agenda be disposed of
in accordance with the provisions of standing order number 32, which means that the necessary
motions to deal with reports for decision shall be formally moved and seconded and immediately
voted on without debate. Is the motion to deal with the remaining business in this way agreed?
All those in favour?
All those against?
Any abstentions?
Thank you. The motion is carried forward. 31-4, 22 against and zero abstentions.
One abstention, Madam Mayor, surely?
There was one.
The motion is carried forward, 22 against and one abstentions.
The motion is carried forward, 4-30 against, 22 and one abstentions. Thank you.
Moving on to Executive Report No. 2. I move reception of the report. Can paragraphs 1 to 11 and paragraphs
12 to 14 in the supplementary paper be received for information?
Agreed?
Agreed.
No?
Do they want to vote?
Is it agreed?
Yes.
Yes.
Thank you.
Okay.
Item No. 12 is from the Planning Applications Committee.
Report No. 3, Councillor Belton.
Thank you.
So, paragraphs 1 to 2 from pages 117 are for information.
Item No. 13 is from the Joint Staffing Committee.
Report No. 4, Councillor Hogg.
Thank you.
Item No. 14 is from...
Oh, sorry.
Sorry.
Paragraphs 1 on page 119 is for information.
Item No. 14 is from the General Purposes Committee.
Report No. 5, Councillor Osborne.
Yes, formally, Madam Mayor, but Merry Christmas, everybody.
Paragraphs 1 on page 121 are for information.
Item No. 15 is from the Health and Wellbeing Board.
Report No. 6, Councillor Henderson.
Thank you, Madam Mayor.
Thank you, Madam Mayor.
Paragraphs 1 to 5 for information.
I think we could all do with a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Thank you.
Thank you, Councillor Henderson.
Paragraphs 1 to 5 from page 123 are for information.
Item No. 15 is the report by the Director of Law and Governance on the Member's Allowance Scheme
to apply in 2024 to 2025, Paper No. 24 to 402.
Is the report noted for information?
No.
Are we asked for names, Madam Mayor?
Okay.
So, all those in favour of noting for information.
Please indicate for, against or abstain.
Councillor Akinola.
For.
Councillor Ambash.
For.
Councillor Anand.
For.
Councillor Apps.
For.
Councillor Austin.
Against.
Councillor Ayres.
For.
Councillor Belton.
For.
Councillor Burchill.
Against.
Councillor Boswell.
For.
Councillor Brooks.
Against.
Councillor Caddy.
Councillor Coalckley.
For.
Councillor Cooper.
For.
Councillor Conner.
Against.
Councillor Chritchard.
For.
Councillor Crivelli.
Against.
Councillor Davies.
For.
Councillor De La такжеuse.
Against.
Councillor Dickedam.
For.
Councillor Dobré.
For.
Councillor French.
For.
Councillor Fraser.
For.
Councillor Gasps.
For.
Councillor Gasser.
Against.
Councillor Govindia.
Councillor Mrs Graham. Councillor Graham. Councillor Grimston.
Councillor Hamilton. Councillor Hedges.
Councillor Henderson. Councillor Hogg. Councillor Humphreys.
Councillor Ireland. Councillor Jeffries.
Councillor Justine. Councillor Lawless.
councillor lee four councillor locker councillor marshall councillor for
councillor mayo crass for councillor osborne councillor owens against
councillor paul for councillor ridham against councillor richard jones
against councillor rigby for councillor stock for councillor sutters
Against.
Councillor SWEET.
Against.
Councillor TILLER.
For.
Councillor VARATHRAGE.
For.
Councillor WHITE.
For.
Councillor WORRELL.
For.
Councillor YATES.
For.
The report is noted for information.
The report is noted for information.
The results of the recorded vote are 4, 31 against 22 and 0 abstentions.
The report is noted for information.
Item number 20 is the revised proposed amendment to committee memberships and outside bodies.
Paper number 24 to dash 403.
Are the recommendations approved?
Agreed.
Thank you, councillors.
That concludes the business of the meeting for this evening.