Cabinet Committee Corporate Parenting - Wednesday, 8th May, 2024 10:00
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on the agenda is to receive apologies for absence from members. So I have received apologies
from the Deputy Leader and the Chair of this committee who is actually meeting a Minister
at the same time as this meeting. We have also had apologies from Councillor Spansing.
I'm sorry Chair. Can you hear me okay? Yes, we can. Fantastic. I'm just going to ask
for a dispensation with my camera because unfortunately where I am there's two other
people on meetings in the bandwidth. It's a bit dodgy so the cameras aren't working
properly here. That's not a problem. Thank you for that. I am here though. Thank you.
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We now have for approval the minutes of the last meeting of the corporate parent in cabinet
committee and that took place on the 1st of February 2024. Can I have a mover? Move the
leader. Thank you for that Councillor. Do I have a seconder please for that? I'll second
that leader. Thank you Councillor Blundell. Evering in agreement? Yes. So we will now
receive the first report on today's agenda and that report is on the basic and compiled
scheme exit strategy and that is a report of the corporate director for social services
and well-being. The report has been written by Sri Dix in the group case manager for a
transition as well so a very warm welcome and it is very warm welcome to say right as well.
The deputy head of children social services who is going to lead us through this report
even though the name is not Sherry. She did like the report but you are taking us through
the report. Then over to you then please. Thanks leader and apologies from Sherry for
today so I'll take us through a brief summary in terms of the basic and compiled scheme
and the exit strategy. So in February 2022 the Welsh Government announced plans to implement
the basic income pilot scheme and this scheme was to provide all eligible young people leaving
cave between the 1st of July 2022 and the 30th of June 2025 with the basic monthly income
of £1,600 per month for a 24-month period. The scheme was due to run for a three-year
period in total and this report provides information and relation to the plans for ourselves to
look at how we support participants in exiting once this scheme comes to an end in 2025.
So again to summarise in total 25 young people in British End of Access the scheme and the
first eligible young person is due to receive their final payment in August of this year
with the remaining 24 having their final payments in the months leading up to June 2025.
When the scheme was introduced and to ensure there was a full understanding of the scheme
within our teams and in particular within our 16+ team are clearly leaving service, a champion
was identified within the team to take the lead and all matters related to the scheme
in conjunction with the team manager. The team manager is still with Osborne who is on the
screen with us today as well to feel any questions that may come off the back of the report.
Within that the responsibilities linked to the scheme were about identifying dedicated
points of contact specifically within the Department for Work Impensions, Citizens Advice
and Within Welsh Government and again the Champions role was very much about supporting social
workers and personal advisors within the team with a day-to-day practice related to the
basic income pilot and ensuring young people are accessing the support they required.
Throughout the duration of the scheme the young person's pathway plans have detailed information
on their transition when the pilot came to an end. So throughout the course of the scheme
discussions and considerations for planning along with the potential impacts related to
the scheme and the end of that was involved in the young persons throughout their participation.
This included ongoing planning to ensure the young person has sufficient income and funds
to support from them from should there be any gap between the final bit payment, the
basic income pilot payment and income being received to their ongoing benefits. The plans
also include any implication for the housing situations, any steps that needed to be taken
should that need arise. So as part of our access strategy the local and the local authorities
commitment to provide ongoing support to caregivers, they would be planned dropping sessions held
throughout August between our 16+ team, representatives from the Department of Work Impensions, Citizens
and Advice, Housing Services and Youth Development Services as well. In addition to this we're
holding budgeting workshops that are being planned with a multiply worker from an employability
service which is also based with our 16+ team and further support being offered throughout
the personal advisor who's allocated to the caregiver as they turn 18. Again just to summarise
in terms of feedback from young people, they must be remembered that while some young people
are shortly receiving their final payments, someone will have over a year of payments left
to receive and to date those who have participated in the BIP scheme report positive impacts as
a result. There'd be no significant issues or any reported safeguarding matters arising
for any young person as a result of participating in the scheme. To kind of summarise the scheme
has been deemed as a positive for our young people and we anticipate there'll be little
impact with the ending of this scheme due to the excess strategy that we've described
above and throughout the report and happy to take any questions related to the report as well.
Thank you Che. Thank you for that Dave. I'll invite members to ask questions on the report please.
Thanks. I did have three questions. I'll go through them all quickly because they shouldn't take too
long. I was present when we discussed this at corporate parenting at the start of the pilot and
I probably should have asked this question then really but what I'm trying to understand is what
is the purpose? What is the wealth government's intention from this pilot? Is it to, if it's
successful, is it to roll it out indefinitely to care levers or are they looking to roll this out
to the general population as some people have alluded to? That was my first question.
My other one, my other two, and they're quite quick, my other two were paragraph 3.7 of the report.
It says that there's going to be planning for the transition
when the basic income payments end. I was wondering if we could have a bit more clarity on
what that support for the transition of when the basic income payments end. I also wanted to know
of the 25 participants, what housing tenure are they in? Because obviously at the start
of the pilot, their housing costs might have been significantly less at the start and with the
cost of living and other things. Their housing costs may have increased so I'm quite interested
in their housing tenure. Finally, paragraph 3.12. As Dave said, there's been good feedback
from participants. I just wondered if you could outline any positive outcomes
in terms of employability or anything else really training. Likewise, do we have any
case studies of these positive outcomes? There are my three questions. If I may, please,
Chair. Thank you.
Right, thank you for that, Councillor Thomas. I counted five, but
all useful questions. I'm sure we've got the answers to thank you for that, Councillor Thomas.
Thanks, Councillor Thomas. Thanks, Chair. I may have to defer to you a little bit on some
of these questions as well, but certainly in terms of your first point around what's the
intention with Welsh Government as it's detailed in the report, Councillor Thomas,
there's reference to an evaluation and looking at the impact of what the basic income pilot scheme
has achieved for clear levers. My assumption here, sorry, Councillor Thomas, is that this will
inform what steps are taken off the back of that in terms of the outcomes that you describe,
the impact that's have and certainly the feedback from young people. Once we understand what that
evaluation tells us, we have a better indication as to what Welsh Government are proposing moving
forward. So again, it's probably a wait and see in terms of that point.
Your second point around the planning and looking at what will happen once the payments
come to an end, as kind of detailed earlier on, really, that pathway plan and that transition in
particular would be the key aspect. That would be the way the team, the personal advice of the
champion, the social worker, would work very closely with the young person and other partners
to determine what they need next and whether there will be any gaps linked to any benefits,
claims or housing issues, education, trade and employment as such. At this moment of time,
as I understand it, and again, stupidly better to advise than myself, we're not identifying any
concerns at this stage, linked to the ending of the scheme, but certainly that pathway plan,
that review and that consideration will absolutely be considered prior to that final payment being
received as well then. Give them to your second points around the housing tenure and the 25 young
people. I'm afraid that I have to go back, Councillor Thomson, and report back to committee in terms of
what provisions they're in. As I understand it, a lot of living at home with family members,
I think we have some within support of accommodation, but again, we need to get a little bit more
detail in terms of the specific answer around that if that's okay. And then the final point to
steward, I'm going to have to bring you in on this in terms of any specific outcomes or positive
outcomes that we've described. And again, I guess it would be a point of us bringing the case study
back to committee in terms of a specific example around with this other positive impact as well.
Thank you for that. I'll bring steward in now then to provide that
additional information and a very warm welcome to the committee, steward, please.
Thank you. In terms of the current housing tenure, I can actually give some figures if
that would be helpful. We have five young people who are in receipt of basically a
compiler who are in when I'm ready provisions, which means that they remained with their foster
carers post 18. We have 11 who decided to move in with either family members or friends post 18.
We have one young person who's currently living in a hostel. We have three who are in support of
accommodation, one young person who's in a shared lives provision, and then five young people who
are in private rented accommodation. In terms of positive outcomes, we have three young people
who are currently engaged in employment. Those three young people have saved their basic
and compiler monies, one of whom has saved 20,000 pounds. And he's hoping to put that towards his own
kind of deposit on his own property.
Thank you for that steward. That's useful. I've introduced the steward. He's the team manager
and just has plus service of leads to the team that provides that support. I think it's important
stress, isn't it, that support that we provide, that intensive one-to-one personal support,
will continue regardless of that scheme. And those advisors were in place prior to the
scheme, to the pilot scheme. Okay, thank you. I think that answered the questions comes to Thomas,
but I know you've packed the law in. Is that, yeah, okay, thank you. Which is a moment to come to
that far, please. Thank you, Leader. First of all, I'd like to formally move the report. That's
okay. I think Councillor Thomas has stolen my thunder. It was regarding employment. Have we
worked with employability and how many children are will be employed once this thing is over.
So, he's stoner. I've got several question leaders. So, shall I just go in relation to the report?
We will come back to the specific issue around links with the employability.
Like we think that's important points, but apparently questions. Okay.
So, first of all, the rag, the colour rag on the report itself, I got a bit confused because
green, to me, I thought was completed, but you've got completed the wording in the grey box. Green
doesn't say anything and the yellow box doesn't say anything. Would it be possible to have some
time frames on those, you know, when you expect them to complete those? So, that's one. What does
green mean because, for me, that was complete. We said? My apologies. That's an extra part
just being told. So, yes, yes. So, just the link with employability. Did we link it with them?
Apologise, thank you. Yep. Okay. Did, please. Yep. Thanks, Councillor Farr. In terms of our
links with employability, as referenced within the report, there is a multiply work of who's a
part of our employability service who's located within the team and as close links with Stuart and
the champion social workers and personal advisors within our 16+ service. In addition to that, as
referenced within the report, the workshops that we will be holding out through the summer holidays
for young people will involve our youth development service, which does a huge amount around education,
training and employment. Citizens' advice will be a part of those workshops as were the department
for work and pensions as well then. So, real opportunity for our young people to be clear in
terms of what support is up there for them to either remain engaged in education, training,
employment or access opportunities around the education, training and employment as well.
Thank you for that, Councillor Farr, Dave. So, next we've got Councillor Black, so please.
Thank you. I was really interested in the fact because, obviously, I haven't been in
from the start as well. I think I missed the pilot when it started. But I was really interested
in the statement that you've just made, Stuart, that one of the individuals had saved the money
and now had around £20,000 as a result, which is not an insignificant sum of money for a young
person to have. It's a deposit on a house or whatever. It's a good sum of money. I just wonder,
because, obviously, a lot of money has passed to these individuals over the period of time.
Was any sort of financial advice independently given to them prior to it? Were they given any
sort of guidance in that regard? Because I know, obviously, having children of a similar age,
I know how much water runs through their fingers at that age group as well. So, I just
wondered if that had been given to them. Thank you.
Thank you, Councillor Black. So, Stuart, I'm sure we'll be able to answer that question.
Stuart, please. Yes, the answer to that is, yes, all young people were linked in with the
Citizens Advice Bureau prior to the scheme commencement and they did a best options assessment,
looking at comparing what they would get through basic income against what they would get if they
would make in benefits UC claims at 18. Sorry, no, that isn't quite what I mean.
So, when I say financial advice, I mean advice on their finances, not on how they could
utilize the money as such. So, whether it's best route for them to save it or to
spend it in whatever way they did. Sorry, I can see you're pulling a face,
leader. Am I not explaining this correctly? Sorry, I can't hear you.
So, sorry, apologies. Yeah, I don't know if I might go. Yeah, no, I think I understand.
I'm going to ask Stuart to come in and explain that through there.
Okay, thank you. Thank you. Yes, so they would, all young people will have ongoing financial
advice as it's a key component of their pathway plan. Their pathway plans have to be reviewed on
a six-monthly basis by their personal advisors. And like I said, looking at their finances and
their financial viability is part of that process and the personal advisors then will then give
advice on how best to utilize that money. Sorry, just to dig down a little bit further,
the personal advisors advise them on a range of topics I presume rather than just financial.
Are they getting independent financial advice from an independent financial advisor?
The only kind of independent advice they be getting is through the Citizens' Advice Bureau.
They're all going to be linked in again with Citizens' Advice Bureau as part of the pathway
planning process and the Welsh Government's exit strategy. Okay, and do you feel that sufficient?
Potentially for some young people, but others would benefit probably from a higher level of advice.
And if that's identified as part of their pathway planning, that's something we as a team can look
into. Okay, right, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for that, Stuart.
Councillor Pratt is next, please. Yeah, thank you, Lede. Yeah, I just want to,
Councillor Betts, who's sort of still in my thunder, but I do want to explore it further.
I won't start with my views on basic income schemes, but that'll be a debate for another matter.
It's another time it's here. We're using it. Can I have clarity on how many of our care leaders
are in employment whilst receiving the basic income? You know, if you combine that, even at
National Minimum Wage, this is a lot of money that they're receiving, and a lot of it is going
to disappear when the scheme comes to an end. So they're now used to earning, whatever they're
earning through employment, plus 1,600 pounds for three years, then it's going to be cut off,
you know, and that that's going to be quite a blow, especially if they've got use to it.
So I think you need to explore financial management for that, because it's much like
as anyone has lost their job. All of it being suddenly cut off is a bit of a blow to people.
I would like to, you know, the one care leader who saved it all for a deposit on a house is
great, and I think that's a good use of it. But my concern has always been I have now got lots
of money in my pocket, and are they using it responsibly or irresponsibly? And what do they
do when the scheme comes to an end? Because they have lost 1,600 pound a month. Thank you, leader.
Dave, please. Thanks, Councillor Pratt. Yeah, just in terms of that point, the key aspect
here is that pathway plan, the importance of reviewing that pathway, pathway plan it, and the
impact that losing that 1,600 pound a month would have, and then considering what the other
options are that are available. So in terms of benefits advice, in terms of linking in again,
as Stewart's described, they're on Citizens' Advice Department for Work Compensions and making
sure that whatever shortfall does appear related to that loss, that it isn't significant enough to
have a detrimental impact on the young person. The role of the personal advisor or the social
worker for that young person, again, is critical within this in reviewing that plan and making
sure the young person is very clear in terms of what their rights are, what they can access,
and who's best to advise and guide them then. So we're very, very confident in terms of that pathway
plan in process that we have considered the impact of losing the 1,600 pound. And I totally agree,
it's a significant loss in terms of a monthly income as well, but ensuring that whatever impact
that does have, it's not detrimental to the point that the young person loses out further
in life then. Again, the key points for me within this will be the role of our employability workers,
will be the role of Citizens' Advice Department for Work Compensions, our youth development
services as well, making sure whatever else is available out there for young people
is absolutely presented up earlier stage for that young person to access at the right time as well.
And as I've already kind of alluded to, there's not that detrimental impact in terms of it then.
You're coming back to your first question about how many are in employment. And we might
have to pursue it on the spot again within this. I guess he's quickly the finger there to answer,
so I'm glad he's got the data to respond to that question.
Yeah, thank you for that. I'll bring Stuart in now with a dig about employment.
Yeah, so currently as it stands today, we've got 12 young people engaged in a program of
education and six young people who are engaged in employment. So the overall figure of young people
engaged in education, training and employment of the basic income cohort is currently 72%.
I think that's positive. I don't suppose he seemed to have a lot of statistics, very good
thing to very impressed about that, Stuart, but just a question around from me because it is
related and take advantage of being chair here. What would that figure of, I don't suppose you've
got that figure for when we didn't have the pilot and whether or not that pilot has had an impact
upon or potentially has had an impact, it was very difficult to establish that. The cohort groups,
a small cohort group and indeed prior to the pilot, we would see big variations, wouldn't we,
from you to you, sometimes in the level of employment and education and that was nothing to do with
the basic income. It was because you can have very different individuals in those cohorts,
can't you, with very different aspirations and blocks and experiences. Stuart please.
So we did a similar exercise leader approximately a year ago and the figure at that point was at
65% so it's a slight improvement overall.
Thank you for that Stuart and thank you for your question, Councillor Pratt.
The next we've got comes a good please.
Thank you Chair, thank you folks for taking us through the report. Just a quick one for me,
I think it's really welcome to hear that each individual member of the cohort has that individual
plan to sort of move them out and move them forward, but I think could we take a sort of step back
really and look more at the pilot itself because it'd be really good to understand
whether Welsh government when they set up the pilot put in place KPI's that they wanted
to see whether they were achievable through this program and then do we have any indication
of whether our pilot has achieved those outcomes for those individuals because I think it's really
key to understanding that and I think you know as Councillor Pratt has alluded to being given this
much money at this age is a lawful lot of money. It took me quite a way through my 20s before I
was earning that much money and trying to understand whether it does have that positive impact or
whether actually there is that cliff edge that the individuals are then going to struggle to
maintain that level of income. So do we have an idea of what Welsh government were really aiming
for out of this or is that sort of still to be found by the results of the pilot?
Thank you for that, Councillor Goode, please.
Excellent question, Councillor Goode. When this challenging me in terms of what the KPI's
that were set, in terms of what we described at the outset here, clearly it's going to be
aspects around education, training and employment and then housing stability as well.
We know the challenges for our care leavers when leaving K and the impact that has around
some of the opportunities that present then. So in terms of the evaluation,
my understanding and my expectation would be that's what it would be drawing out is looking at what
impact the £1,600 per month has had on a young person accessing education, training, employment,
accessing the permanent housing kind of arrangements to set them up then for future kind of
opportunities in the longer term. I guess what we need to get here is that
feedback from that evaluation and bring that back to committee in terms of what is told us,
you know, and not just from a agenda perspective looking at across Wales really in terms of what
impact is had across the board. And so as and when that evaluation is completed we can look to bring
that back to committee for a better discussion if that's okay. I'm sure the committee would welcome
that report and obviously what we will be doing is, I'm sure, making representations to our
government just to understand what is going to be the outcome of that, the pilot and a
therefore potential impact upon Care Leaveers in Bregend. We can see in the report that there is
going to be that research by Cardiff University. So hopefully that research would be available
soon. And I think that's welcome because it's obviously independent, isn't it? It's going to be
robust academic analysis and we can benefit as well from that wider, much, much bigger cohort across
Wales instead of looking at what is still a very small cohort in Bregend and obviously makes it
more difficult to reach conclusions, I would say, around the impact of the pilot because of the
inevitably the small cohort in individual local authorities. I can see that Claire has indicated
that she would like to come in with a couple of directives. So she serves as well. Be as well
bring Claire. Thank you very much for the question, Councillor Goode. That sort of
answers from David's given me an opportunity to find the interim evaluation report that's been
published by Cardiff University. And there were seven outcomes that are being measured
in terms of the impact on the young people who benefit from the pilot.
Their well-being, financial literacy and security, community cohesion and engagement,
the effects of poverty, access to labour and education markets, volunteering and life skills
and physical and mental health. So I think it might be helpful to share with committee that
interim report and then as the leader has said to bring back the final evaluative report when
it's available and then we'll be able to track our Bregend cohort in terms of their outcomes
compared to the old Wales outcomes. Thank you for that. I didn't see
that Councillor Blundell raised his hand, but I can't see that the hand is still up, it's down.
Okay, thank you, Councillor Blundell. And there are a number of questions and value points from
Councillor Goode Pratt and Bletts, a particular financial advice and skills and an impact because
of the potential value of that support. Once, of course, some of that will be used for basic
living costs, because the cost of living is expensive, isn't it? There is that
possibility of effectively saving that money and using that money in a different way.
And I think it would be just be helpful to ask if that was part of the exploration by Cardiff
University. And if the pint is rolled out, is that advice, the right advice that needs to go
on beyond the citizens' advice? That was the reason for me using our facial expression comes
from Black. So it's just trying to understand, because I think there's a difference between
financial skills, isn't there? And then independent financial advice. And actually,
when you have a level of savings or it can be on the certain level, then it does go from basic
financial management into, you know, if you've got it in the right iser or deposit account,
for example, or do you invest that money in a different way? Clearly, we do have one young
person who's very skilled in financial affairs and should be applauded for that.
And I think we should discuss apprenticeship opportunities in the authority.
Okay, so the report we moved and seconded is everyone in agreement with the recommendation.
It hasn't been seconded yet. That is a good technical point. Happy to second, Chair.
Thank you, Councillor. Good. And of course, the other outcome that I'm sure all members would
agree with is that we will receive that further report on the pilot scheme. When we've got that
information available, when the final report is made by Cardiff University, I would suggest,
of course, for the committee to consider when that report is available.
Okay, I will now move on to the second report on today's agenda.
And that is our three year sustainability plan to improve outcomes for children and family services
in Brigand, and the report on progress in the first year, and this report to our corporate
director for social services, and will be in support of the two, please, please.
Thank you very much, Leader. Very pleased to bring this report to you this morning, which
is a six-month progress report on our three-year sustainability plan to improve outcomes for children
and families in Brigand. This plan was approved by Cabinet and then went to Council because of the
financial implications in September last year. It's a very detailed plan in terms of both the
strategic objectives within the plan, but also the actions over the three-year period that the
plan commits us to. And we gave that commitment that there would be at least six-monthly progress
reports into this Cabinet Committee on progress with that plan. It's also due to go into scrutiny.
It was due to go into scrutiny before coming here, but that was the day that I think we had
significant IT failing, so it will go into scrutiny for detail at scrutiny at the future meeting date.
So I think that the context for the development of this plan is well understood by this committee.
You've been on the journey of improvement with us over the last two plus years.
We had an initial improvement plan as children's services and then following very detailed analysis
that we were supported in undertaking with the Institute of Public Care, which looked at evidence
and data, not just from Brigand, but across the UK in terms of demands on children's social care
and how to put together a plan which is sustainable from both the service and a financial perspective.
We developed this new three-year plan, as I said, that went into Cabinet and Council in September
of last year. The three-year plan in terms of the sustainable improvements as focused on
seven areas which are set out within the report. Very importantly, the first of those areas is
hearing and acting on the voice of children and families and the work of this Cabinet Corporate
Parenting Committee and Corporate Parenting is absolutely fundamental to that, but not just that
in terms of all the practice that we do. The voice of children should be absolutely evident
and better and improved engagement with families as well through that very relationship model
of social work practice. Securing a stable, well-supported, motivated and permanent workforce.
We know that we have had an over-reliance on agency workforce in Brigand in order to
fulfill our statutory duties. It's very pleasing that we are seeing an improving picture
in that area, significant investment by the Council through the Grow Our Own scheme,
through the International Recruitment scheme, through enhanced marketing opportunities.
That is really paying dividends now in terms of both people wanting to come here and work in
Brigand, far-improved retention rates of our own workforce and a staff group where we're seeing
indicators like sickness falling within children's social care as well. So, you know, good progress
there. Improving practice, as the committee will know, we've got our signs of safety model of social
work practice, which we're working very hard to embed across children's social care and with key
partner agencies as well. That's making good progress. What I would say is that you're never
there with a model of practice. If you say we're fully implemented, then you've taken your eye off
the ball really. This is forever really that we will keep that commitment to the model of practice
that we have adopted as a Council. But good progress there and really pleasing to key changes in
language actually. And I happen to have a conversation myself with a family member who talked about
their safety plan being in place. And we wouldn't have heard things like that being said a couple
of years ago. So, it's really pleasing to reflect that progress. Maximising the impact of services
and interventions, this is really around how we commission care and support services to make
sure we've got the very best evidence base for what we do. We're making good progress in some areas.
We know there are challenges in others. And we've got the report later this morning in terms of
fostering, which will go into some detail around that. But we know this is a key area for us as we
move forward. And more effective response to families with complex needs. You know, as committee
again, we'll know we're remodeling our edge of care and our early interventions to be very focused
on those points at which there's a real risk of escalation of need. And that's work that's
very much in progress and working through. Seamless working with partners. Now, I honestly didn't put
anybody up to that this. But this morning, I received an email from a very senior colleague
at South Wales Police. And it was entitled, Thank you.
And he said, Can I take this opportunity
to thank your team for the feedback below?
I appreciate getting there. It's not been easy
and children services have unique workforce pressures, which require strong leadership
to mitigate and sustain the current operating model. The feedback from staff highlights not only a
effective model of co-location, but a healthy relationship and culture, which in my view
are a byproduct of co-location. So this is senior officer from South Wales Police talking about
our front door, our match arrangements. And given the challenges that we'd had there in the past
to receive and solicited that type of feedback from key partner, I think shows the impact of
partnership working and the commitment that we've had to those genuine, very open, honest,
challenging sometimes conversations with partners. And the final bullet point is probably a bit of
a challenge at the moment, because we know in common with other local authorities across Wales,
we're going through a process of system change. But we are committed to better intelligence
and information systems to give in our staff the tools to do the job that support good practice.
And so whilst there has been some progress made in that area, I think the most significant progress
will come once that system changes happened. So, appended to the report, you will see that
there is the detail of the action plan and that is the RAIG status in there, which I'll wait for
the Councillor Fars question in a moment to sort of explain how we've gone through that RAIG status
in terms of what's completed and the levels of progress and for any actions which aren't fully
completed in that six months, because the action plan is based on the six-month progress, they will
roll over into the next year. And with the plan of this scale and nature, there were always going
to be things that were completed within timescales, always going to be things which take that little
bit longer for various reasons and obviously would be very, very happy to answer questions
between us on those things. We've highlighted in three-six those areas where we are rolling
over into future years. Some of them I've sort of already highlighted as being areas which will
take a little bit longer in terms of implementation. But if we get into questioning on those areas,
we can get into further detail in addition to what's in the plan around those areas where we are
making progress and the steps that are in place. The other thing which is appended to the plan
are the key performance measures. Prior to the approval of the plan, you know, it was improved
as a consequence of good scrutiny and we really sharpened up the performance indicators that would
be used to demonstrate progress. I think key for us, we're seeing that sustainable decrease now
in terms of children on the child protection register, that's going to be done very carefully,
very safely. We're still higher than some other comparable authorities across Wales. But what we
are seeing is a sustainable decrease in that area. We're also seeing a sustainable decrease in the
number of care experienced children. We do have, you know, sometimes blips in that that we will
have perhaps, you know, large sibling groups come in. But, you know, overall we're seeing a significant
increase over time in terms of numbers of care experienced children as well. I think that the
challenge for us at the moment is we continue to see very high demand at our front door
and those referrals coming into children's social care, which does translate into high levels of
activity in terms of assessment. So that's key for us in terms of that positive working with partners.
I would say about how we respond collectively as a bridge end community to the risks and issues
with which children and families are facing within their lives. If I draw committee's attention to
the financial implications within the plan, this plan as I indicated went to full council because
of the financial implications was the key issue for consideration by council with the budget that
was set for this year. And the service benefited from investment of 2.5 million overall to 2 million
for social services and wellbeing director at half a million, which has gone to the education
and family support. It says there I know Lindsay would tell me off at this point because it's now
the education, young people, early years and young people's directorate but at the time of the budget
set that was the correct title of the directorate. But again that joined up approach in terms of
investment into those areas which would have more impact and that investment critical in getting
the operating model right and the right permanent workforce in place. So if I take the committee
to the recommendation at 9-1 and very happy to answer questions, thank you Anita.
Thank you very much for that helpful overview of the report. So first of all we have come so far please.
Thank you first of all like thank you Clay for the report and like to formally move the report.
So I've got several questions Claire. One of them is just an explanation of what does
green and yellow mean. That's one. This is really a queen you know this Mike.
My second question is how many agency staff do we have now compared to 12 months ago?
In the actual report it says that we've completed 100% of care as assessment.
Were there any the outcome? Were there any needs identified? So have we implemented
services to meet those needs? It says in the report that you've got a new media communication
officer. How is that person going to link in with the overall council's communication team?
We've got any of that safeguarding. Safe guarding is a vital role for any social workers whether it's
adult care or child care. We haven't reached 100% what are we doing to ensure that our staff
have got the safeguarding awareness training 100% and that's it from me. Thank you.
Thank you those questions come so far. So over here please.
Yeah thanks for the questions. Councillor Farr for just work through it. In terms of the
rake status on the appendix three we do give it a sort of key which had red and satisfactory
and the adequate yellow, good, green, excellent and great completed. Just to give a little bit
more detail on that. For us green is when something is on track so it might not be fully yet completed
but there are no issues with achieving the outcome within the timescales. Yellow there
will be some minor issues in terms of achieving within timescales but largely on track. Adequate
where we're worried about whether we can achieve but not yet at the level where we don't think we
are going to achieve but probably an area where we would be looking at not achieving within the
timescale and some of those areas you can see that we've highlighted in that way and then read
where we don't think we're going to be able to achieve and there needs to be a more fundamental
review in terms of that. The next question that was in terms of workforce so I think we have
got the figures here and we've moved from 73 agency workers at the 13th of March 2023 to 50
at the end of February and that's a reduction of 41% agency workforce to 28%. I have to take
off my glasses now to see for small print and as the leader knows we know as cabinet we've also
now been in a position which we'd hope to be a little bit later where we've been able to give
an early notice to our managed team, innovate at the front door, they have been advised of that.
It's only six weeks earlier than we'd anticipated but we have been very cautious around it
for reasons that everybody will understand in terms of the challenges we had at the front door
and the fact that this was an area that's the IW identified in the JICPA that was causing some
staff anxiety but if we'd stepped it down too soon but we've got to say that the staff have
responded very very well both from an innovate perspective and from a BCBC perspective in terms
of that decision so that's more positive news in terms of that positive move on on the agency
front in terms of careous assessment that the 100% is in terms of offering a careous assessment
we'd still like to make significant improvements in terms of uptake of careous assessments
it's an area for us that he's always on our radar we're always looking to
see where we can encourage more uptake of careous assessments is it about the timing of the offer
is it about the way in which it is offered? What I have to say is that and this covers adult
son children's there's really good progress being made with the new to VEDA information advice
and assistance service for carers and what's that demonstrating is that lots of carers are getting
the information and advice that they need at that first point of contact and don't feel the need to
go on for an assessment some of those carers who do have the assessment they will then be services
delivered as a consequence of the care plan arising from the assessment I don't have the
figures with me Councillor Farr about exactly what proportion that is but we can look to get you
that further information in terms of safeguarding training this is always an issue isn't it
mostly in our directors and I think schools where you've got professionals who've got very
high levels of training and skills in safeguarding and we're requiring them as a council to do
the awareness raising that basic safeguarding training and sometimes and we're also requiring
them to do a lot of other training as well such as you know signs of safety has been a two day
and a five day course for individuals and it's hard for them sometimes to prioritize that basic
awareness raising when they're already very skilled in safeguarding practice so it does
continue to be a challenge and I think in future we'd probably like a training strategy which reflects
people being trained in safeguarding to the appropriate level for their role rather than
requiring all to have the basic but that would involve a range of a range of policy around that
and we'd have to look at how we measure it because measuring is key and then the final question
around the media officer she is based within our central comms team so she's not based with
us in the director she she's funded through an earmarked reserve which was a director at earmarked
reserve which is why she's been able to provide that extra capacity for us in key areas particularly
around our recruitment and retention and has been doing a really good job in that but she works in
the professor dean and in the corporate comms team of course you can yeah just just two quick
points um in the plan is the chance that we can have some kind of time frame a date beside
action when you're going to achieve them and the last question is the agency staff did any
of those agencies staff take up permanent post with us and that and how how many thank you thank you
come to the far um yeah happy to put the time scales um in more detail on here these are all
the priorities for the first six months so everything in here should have been achieved within the
first six months and then there's a next block of the plan which is the following six months which
is what we'll bring bring back next time but happy to put more detail in there in terms of the
priority of the time scales within that six month period yes some agency workers have come across
to permanent but i don't know the exact numbers but we'll look to get those for you
okay thank you for uh that uh plan comes for next week or comes to Williams please
thank you later and happy to second the report um i've got two questions on the appendix and the
first one is on theme one and it's developing and engagement involvement framework so i'm just
wondering what percentage of those that are eligible to take part actually take part and and how often
they meet and can you give me an example of an idea that does help shape improve the service that
has come out of that forum i've got a second question do you want to take the second question
now or do you want to yeah okay yeah if you take the first one and if i could ask Steve Berry to
contribute on that our corporate parenting officer who works with that nyest to support that forum
course Steve please thank you leader can you hear me clearly fantastic thank you um yeah with
regards to engagement of children young people um as i mentioned at the last cabinet committee on
presenting uh the the forum paper is is a very difficult thing for uh children young people to
come forward and talk about views wishes and feelings in a general uh case um but when it comes
down to their care experience position and status it's even more difficult for them and we
want as best as possible to normalize at their status um they do have on a regular basis lack
reviews and we are currently looking at um how much engagement they're involved in their reviews
going through the care system but with regards to the actual feedback currently we have 36 individual
unique points of contact with our young people and if we look at the eligible um numbers with
regard to age range basically what we're looking at is a typical uh comprehensive school population
and we've got an entire school um class if you like of a year group so we're looking at about um
10 10 15% maybe of the population but not forgetting of course we've got the under five some babies
that are represented and and we've got a lot of children the young people who are in care who
do not deem themselves as being in the care system because they're comfortable in this situation
and very very settled um we are very mindful to be respectful of how they feel about providing
feedback but on a regular basis we offer good opportunities to join in the forum respond to
surveys and also have contact with both the social worker their PA if they're eligible and also
advocacy is provided to them as it is an entitlement and a um statute and they can also access the
complaints and compliments officer as well and and just a note on that the compliments
and complaints officer has actually met with the forum to further promote uh the voice of the
child and look at how her role can be uh better promoted in the future for the care experienced
population thank you yeah comes to william just come back on that thank you for that for that
response but i think well i'm well i was looking for i suppose i suppose i absolutely get the
difficulty of engagement i i absolutely get that and maybe you could pick that i do is there a question
on the the one-to-one sort of sessions then uh now how do we improve the service because all about
how we improve the service isn't it that we improve service delivery and suit the service
to that individual and so i'm just wondering how you pick those ideas up from service users
how you develop the service going forward from their perspective and again that there was that
question or have we got an example of an improvement and actually come from that route so i'm not
necessarily looking for a response from the the the 36 or the 10 but you know how do we engage with
the service users to shape improvement the engagement of the children young people so
i know i can see that the corporate director has keen to come in so i'll bring Claire in please
yeah thank thank you very thank you very much um it's a really important question um and it is a
challenge as as steve has said i think in terms of the forum itself they they led really that the
development of the corporate parenting strategy that that was launched um last year that's a
bridgend um you know it's very much written in in their words um and you know they led the launch
event if if if we remember where we came together to you know be hosted by by them didn't we lead
there rather than than you know as as upfront and and that was that was fantastic um steve referred
to they're called looked after we we now talk about care experienced children but they're still
in statute called looked after children review so on a very individual level that's where um
children who are care experienced influence that that change in terms of their own care plan and
and you know a lot of work particularly with signs of safety to look at how children where they want
to because not all do can be part of their own review even cheer their own review in in the future
and and that's really key and critical in terms of direct examples where the children and young
people have influenced service developments i think we can look into our residential care
services um you know the the design of of meadows view you know which was a massive
investment was very influenced by children and young people who were never going to stay there
actually because um of the nature of the the service but but but children you know very involved in
what that looked like from an internal and an external space perspective and and will continue
to be the case um as we move forward in in in terms of other residential developments as well so
so those are some some examples um and and i'm sure there is it's just thinking about what
Steve was saying about the complaints and compliments i i meet with it the forum once a year is part
of the development of the annual report and i think the first time i met with them they didn't
know how to make a complaint i mean it's quite stark wasn't it Steve actually um you think of a
basic right um and these are children who were quite engaged because they were coming to
there the fact that you know Sarah our complaints officer is now out there engaging with them they
know who she is you know that that's quite a practical example as well as how how having the forum can
improve outcomes and and information thank you thank you Claire. Council Williams wanted to come
back yeah thanks for that that's great response thanks thanks clever um on scene five uh the single
point of access and just wondering if you could just describe that to me because i mean single
point and no wrong door is almost a contradiction in itself isn't it so just just how do we uh yeah
just just develop that a little bit further please thanks thanks thanks thank you thanks
council Williams in terms of that aspect that relates to our restructure around early help
education services coming from our education directorate and social services and well be in
currently what we have is is an essence two front doors into access and support into children
and family support um one for our early help services and one into social services and well
be in the work we now do when it's looking at a referral pathway to create the one route in
the no wrong door and that one single point of contact being the same thing rather than that
the currently what we've got is two front doors to access support for families so that's an ongoing
piece of work that we're currently undertaking we've concluded consultation between ourselves
with education and to look at that move are they the outcome of socialism well be in
the next steps now is looking at the referral pathway for services that will link to our
early help offer and send me to our statutory offers as well from a social services perspective
so an essence what we will eventually have is one route of access into support for children and
families
so the so with the restructure completed and again going back to the point clear
the claim was making it wrong we feel we're on track with this we've completed the consultation
it's just the referral pathway work now that needs to be concluded so we're not quite there
quite rightly flagged in terms of the the the the practice itself but certainly the the fact that
we've concluded consultation and we're now working through pathways makes us feel that we're on the
right path and on track to where we want to get to thank you for that uh you can come to Williams
can't see that anyone wants to come in just from me I know that we are we've had dialogue
I've certainly had dialogue with the deputy police and crime commissioner and the new police and crime
commissioner about our joint screening arrangements as council Williams has raised the the the front
door on that initial assessment which is all important isn't it and commonly we do have a position
where those arrangements with southwest police were were changed and that has had a real impact
doesn't it on the on the workload that we experience because we are receiving from
south-world police referrals that we should not receive because they are not safeguarding matters
and it's not in the best interests of families and certainly you know in the best interests
of of us or or the police actually that those referrals are are sometimes made so we did have
joint screening arrangements so just wanted to check if we made progress on that yet
and if not we certainly can raise that once again with the police and crime commissioner and
with senior officers at south-world police Dave please thanks chair yeah we followed up
after the discussions you had with the police and crime commissioner spoke directly to
superintendent Clayton Richie and the next steps we're going to take forward our workshop between
ourselves the social services and well-being police colleagues education colleagues and
early health colleagues to look at what best practice would look like around joint screening
the issue police colleagues have raised is they want to replicate consistent practice across local
authorities rather than having slightly different practice in individual areas obviously for us
from a urgent perspective we know the benefits of joint screening we still need to work that
through with police colleagues to to implement that and ensure there is an opportunity to replicate
it again in other local authorities so ongoing still is is probably the key point here but not
to a point where we've changed anything back to where it was okay so we will continue to raise
that with us as a south-world police colleagues and I don't know if you've got the statistics to
hand but the statistics are quite stark about the number of referrals received from south-world
policing and I'm sure the committee would benefit from understanding the scale and extent of that
and therefore perhaps get a greater understanding that the impact it does have upon our
upon our teams. Yeah I haven't got the figures to hand but certainly the last time we looked
at it it was just under around about half half of our demand is through PPNs through the police
police kind of process and as you quite rightly flag a lot of that activity doesn't progress into
any ongoing involvement it's just shared with us for information and then the impact it has on
staff in terms of work loading you know it's quite significantly when you put into the context as
well that you know we receive around about 11,000 contacts last year and if we're saying half of
those are from or just under half are from from police side of things which don't progress into
any action it demonstrates the impact it has in terms of our capacity then. That's a huge figure
isn't it and if our teams are working on those contacts they're not working on other contacts
where we know there are significant risks so we have to manage that better don't we jointly with
with the police so that our precious resource we've got is is best deployed swiftly to the
cases that they need to be deployed to. Sorry just just on that I'm not pointed at the PPN I
know how much work is involved because as a previous manager I had to screen those so do you have
dedicated people just doing that rather than the whole team doing it so you've got dedicated
people just doing the PPN screening thank you. If I may just add we achieve almost 100% compliance
in terms of the screening within 24 hours which is excellent performance but as the leader said
you know the resource impact for us is hugely significant and you know I would say it's a cause
of frustration because you know in terms of looking at what good practice is I think the practice
that we had was good practice and I think I understand fully as a big super regional organisation
South Wales Police won't consistency across but you know given that we're ready to move back to
where we were it shouldn't delay having to take seven authorities with you you know putting that
back in place for the bridge end match. Thank you for that it was fun and okay we'll certainly
revisit that I am sure and then just for the record as you have flagged the information systems
that we currently use and we're going to be using it in in the future this is something that I've
raised in my capacity as WLGA spoke about local government association I shouldn't use acronyms
spoke to us behalf and social care directly with the new the new minister for social services
that is a significant risk for for this authority and every authority that uses WICUS that system
will be switched off effectively in January 2026 and that is quite a short time away in in terms
of a new system when we're still awaiting the response from us government about time scales on
procurement commissioning specification of that new system otherwise we would be back to pen and
take better for our social workers and that is not something that we can we can support in this
system it certainly would not be it it wouldn't be practical and it certainly would be potentially
very harmful to our children because of the time it would it would take and the impact it would have
on the information available to our practitioners so we are working through that collectively
through the association of directors of social services through the well selected local government
association and we've now raised that we've also added it as a risk to our corporate risk
register and it is it is fast becoming one of the the biggest risks for for all social services
and all local authorities across well so we will keep members updated on on that as we respond to
that to that risk okay the recommendations being moved and seconded is ever in an agreement with
those recommendations and I think is why we should for the record thank the the teams for the progress
that has been made a lot of progress has been made that is to be applauded but of course there's
much more progress to be made there always is and I know that staff are committed to delivering on
that progress as quickly as as possible and I know that this committee will obviously want to
continue to to monitor that but it's not just this committee will also be the over in scrutiny
committee and also the board that has been set up social services improvement board because this
is so critical to the the future of of social services and and safeguarding children in the
county borough okay we'll move on to the next item on the agenda and that is also a report
of the corporate director for education on family support and that is on the inspection
of foster well began by care inspector at Wales so I'm good to ask the corporate director to
initially introduce the report but I know that we've got our our colleague here I'm sure can provide
a lot of the the detail that we will want from the report but but first of all if I can just
invite the corporate director to introduce the report and then we will go from there and please
thank you very much leader I'm really pleased this morning to welcome to corporate parenting
committee Alex Bratterich who's our group manager I'm a new group manager for placement and provider
services in progend Alex comes with a really strong background in fostering so you know this is
you know we you've seen the before in committee talking about fostering but that now she's in
the group manager position and she's accompanied this morning by Amy Ricardo who is our regional
development officer for foster Wales come to Africa I suppose that for the three local authorities
in come to Africa as part of foster Wales and Alex and Amy are going to take you both put through
the the outcome of the fostering inspection and the actions being taken to address the areas
for improvement there but also I think quite critically for committee if I were to highlight to you
one risk which isn't WCSIS it would be around um sufficiency and numbers of of foster care as
we know this is always a huge priority in terms of retention and recruitment but we have been
experiencing some challenges so we really need the support of committee and and indeed all members
in terms of the things that be presented this morning so if I hand over to Alex and Amy
thank you good morning everybody and so the report I provided today takes you through the outcome
of a recent inspection that was carried out in November of 2023 firstly the inspectors touched
upon the issue declare was just them focusing on as well which is that of demand and sufficiency
that the demand currently is outstripping the supply in terms of our foster care
households are available for children and young people here in progend and so we really do need
your support with our recruitment and retention activity and in particular in embedding our
foster carers charter into practice across the whole local authority there weren't significant
numbers of strengths that were highlighted by the inspectors when they came to visit the service
across the key themes of well-being care and support environmental leadership and management
in particular what was highlighted was the child's voice voice and choice was a particular area of
strength for us that children's feedback is gathered at annual review times and just going
back to one of the councilors questions from earlier today the youth forum has been a key part
in our recruitment of staff members as well with Mr Barry facilitating those arrangements to enable
our children and young people to ask questions of our candidates for all of our social work posts
within the team and in terms of the areas of development and there were four main areas that
were pointed out by the inspectorate there is of course some more detailed action plan within
the appendix that provides a lot more information on those areas but the main areas of focus have
been that of matching improved safe care arrangements responding to allegations and
safeguarding concerns and compliance with policies and procedures and I hope you can see from the
report that proactive action has been taken on all of those elements we have a revised matching
policy in place that is supported by by other dreaded wikis to ensure compliance in this area
so we now have a safe caring procedure in place that takes into account all members of the household
as this was a key area supported by a robust process that ensures planning meetings are taken
place and in particular that children's histories are shared with foster carers when they are taking
a child into their home to provide them the best level of care in terms of safer care arrangements
again this is part and parcel of the matching making sure that any risks are identified
and sufficient supports but in place to mitigate any of those risks ensuring that all members of
the household are considered and are operating safely including of course the young person themselves
we've ensured the allegations and safeguarding concerns have been robustly responded to
we've had some internal work going along with the support of our quality assurance officers
undertaken and ordered and within our senior management team we have agreed actions
that will include workshops taking place across the local authority to run sessions with practitioners
in order to really strengthen that area of practice including revising our systems within
the fostering service and mandatory training having taken place my colleague here will also
touch upon briefly in the presentation that there is going to be a national approach to allegations
and safeguarding issues in fostering arrangements we're hoping to have a national policy in place
and BCBC are very much part of this and consulting as part of that process in terms of the compliance
with policy and procedure it was lovely that the inspectors thought we had good policies and
procedures in place but what they weren't necessarily seeing was those procedures and policies being
carried through when they're reviewing the case records so this is about embedding so we have the
policies we have the structure we have a firm foundation to build on but it's making sure the
staff are suitably supported and empowered to operate within those policies and procedures
and so for that we've had some dedicated time as a team to spend going through those policies
and procedures and for this we've also been supported by our policy officer Joe Boyle who I'm sure you
were all familiar with and there has presented to you all previously I'm delighted to say one of
the areas that was highlighted by the inspectors was about strain on placements with numbers of
children that were moving and at the point of the writing this report I didn't have the figures
available to me but I can let you know that we've had a 47% reduction over this year of children
with three plus placement moves so almost half those are produced by so this is very much an
improving picture we're seeing here there is work to be done and we are I'll see an active
discussions about anyways we can enhance our offer of support to our foster carers and have tailored
support packages to meet the individual needs of children including looking at complex training
needs we're required as well so the train has very much left the station we are on a journey to
progress and looking forward to the inspection coming back then later on this year most likely
due November and happy to answer any questions before we sort of look to the presentation that
we'll focus more on our recruitment and retention. Thank you very much for that can I take this
opportunity to personally congratulate you on your appointment you know shine an example of
our grow your own system in in Virginia you've come up through the other ranks from the front
line worker and I'm really pleased that you've been appointed to that role and I know you'll do a
a grand job for us comes to the far please. Thank you leader again for the report and
thank you very very much and yes congratulations and it's good to see somebody come up to the
right place to feel really good you know several questions just about processes so because I'm not
sure about the BCBC process I shouldn't maybe be aware but I'm not okay one question is
when there is a need to remove a child what process do you go through do you explore family
friends you know is fostering the last resort or the first resort who agrees the funding for a
foster placement is that done by the working social worker you know with peer support or does that
have to go to a senior manager to approve that you've talked about children being moved
and you know it's other and do to be know why the children are being moved to different
placements and if if a foster placement does have children with challenging behavior what kind of
support do you give to your fostering care so that they can manage difficult situation thank you
sorry lots of questions one thank you comes the far Alex please and so we've produced practice
guidance for all of our social workers outlining steps to be taken when we're looking at moving
a child so there can be several reasons when you have a planned move often you have a social
worker eyes the opportunity to carry out a thorough assessment updating the needs of that child so
that we've got a clear picture of therefore what support and what placement is going to best meet
those needs and which enables the matching process so we we have a constant level of movement for
our children and young people where social workers are constantly actively reviewing family systems
because family is very much change over time you have people with different partners people who
leave and join family's blended families and so part of what social workers do with those
lack reviews that have been mentioned is really considering proactively if there are any family
options for children because children's outcomes are best improved when they're supported to remain
with their families or support a return to families and so there are times when there are foster
carers who are approved and appropriately matched to enable children to be supported on a short-term
basis so sometimes when children come in we're just at the start of the journey and we're entering
into care proceedings where there'll be multiple assessments of cross-family members and of children's
needs and so oftentimes we'll have foster carers used to support those children on a short-term basis
through those arrangements and if we're unable to return children to the care of a family member
that is when we will then look to match them to an appropriately approved longer-term
foster carer and that was one of the areas of development for the inspection about needing
that process to be a lot clearer about how do we decide those matches how do we know that this
person can take right through to 18 sometimes we have unplanned moves where we can have an emergency
situation arising you know information that wasn't previously known or a significant incident
and we try where possible to support our carers to work through a notice period to enable sufficient
time not only to have any updated information that we need but also to enable us to search for the
best match for children because we're in a national sufficiency challenge at the moment
the longer we have to search the better because we want to make sure we're getting the best match
for our children and not just the only match that's available for our children and because of the
sufficiency challenges we're not always able to achieve the best match sometimes we're looking at
the best available option for young people and this is where that matching and safer care support
package comes in so if you've got a carer who for example is unable to provide school transport
because they've got other children in who they're already supporting we need to then come in and
provide that support or sometimes it can be utilizing creative packages so you know you're
asking about the supports the carers we have a behavior analyst situated within our team now
who is from our map service and so this analyst provides consultation to social workers to look
at creative support packages they can involve where needed commissioning therapeutic support
it can also be provision of training that can be on a one-to-one or on a group basis and a range
of e-learning available as well it can involve support from one of our support workers we have
a mixture of placement support and reunification workers in our team at the moment these are skilled
workers who are trained in positive parenting approaches including you might be familiar
with the pace approach and so that's all about having a curious approach being playful at that
empathy and really looking at connection before correction but you know lots of people are raised
with a traditional parenting model and when you're adjusting your brain to work therapeutically with
children we need to support our carers to do that so we have workers on hand who alongside the training
are able to give that support to our carers we have carers who specifically provide respite
so there are some children who benefit from having sometimes time away from this substantive
placement or there are sometimes where carers need to have a bit of a break and so we have
respite carers on hand to be able to support children outside of their home and where we can
making sure they're consistent so that they operate more like like a grandparent would
if you had children at home and being able to give that sort of support as well we've invested
in a significant amount of training for our supervising social workers because the feedback
from our carers at annual review times and any time to do consultation is that's the relationship
that they really value the most they form those really positive relationships trust develops
and those social workers are key to being able to support our carers to fulfill their developmental
potential so within this group of visions they refine you know what the developmental needs are
they review at the end of placements and have a bit of a deep brief and say right let's look at what
happened here what do we need best now to support you to move on and enable you to support more
children in the future in terms of who agrees funding arrangements so we have systems in place
for those funding arrangements where the social worker who knows the child best will consider
the match alongside any partners so if you're looking at internal fostering the supervising
social worker supports the carer and a social worker will look in the first instance see is this a
viable option for this young person is this going to work how do we support this then it will pass
to a team manager and then up to senior manager and depending on the nature of the placement that's
requested it could then raise up to a system head of service or direct a level and head of service
level as well so it depends on the placement type the implications and then our placement service
ensure that any external placements so in terms of internal we take care of reviewing those regularly
but when we look at commissioning so an independent fostering arrangement or an independent residential
our team then will put in regular contract monitoring reviews so that we'll ensure that
those placements are providing what they need to for children and seek to see if any of those
arrangements need to be reviewed so for example a child going into a residential placement for a
first time they might have a higher ratio of staffing supporting them initially
whilst they settle so we want to make sure that we have a proportionate approach to supporting
our young people and enjoying those regularly reviewed and then we have a regular panel
that meets to scrutinize these as well so far yes of course i'm going to come back to David
so i'm a social worker on call i get phone call i go move a child so you're a social worker what was
the first step they would do would they explore families or would they go straight to fostering
and who would they contact for funding so in emergency case i go and move a child now what do i do
thanks Councillor Fai and i know recently i was going to come back with that because the question
you asked was is it foster care first or is it a last resort and it's absolutely the last resort
everything we do in bridge end is about looking at family who who within that family is the you
know a viable option where we can keep that child within that network because we know that's a better
outcome you know all in really this all and if you consider them what our our strategic plan is
is being family and that's absolutely the kind of principles that we're trying to employ with
it within our teams then when we do need to come to the kind of the point where we are at the
absolute last resort then i think Alex has given quite a detailed answer in terms of some of the
process that we need to follow them but i think families absolutely are struggling is what we
expect with our our social workers of our children of families in progen and i think
we've got i know we've got the stats and we that supports the the the work in and the fact that
we do in the in the majority case says where there is family that can uh the suitable family
members whether that be grandparents aunt or uncles um members or dads in some cases but
we we'll we'll we'll we'll make sure that that the family is that is that first port of call then
if the family is not available sometimes we we will we have to explore other options and also
there are some cases where it is not appropriate for that child to be placed with with the family
uh but but thankfully they are rare occasions comes the blend that you want to come in
yeah thanks uh leader and thanks again for the report i'll i think cancel the five moved it so
i'll second it just for the admin here um the question i have really is what work have we done
going forward about mapping the age profile of our foster carers because obviously we have
in which older demographic foster carers then eventually we're going to have a big drop off
of the amount of foster carers we have in this the capacity within county to be able to take in
foster children and and so the right and add on to that is uh what work are we doing to sort of
support more younger people to to come into foster care and because obviously it is not a it is a
it's something that is rewarding and but also quite complicated and and also difficult at times but
the fact that they're still neat they are needed in society today it's sad that they are but it is
a fact of life that this is where we are but we just need to make sure that we have a i want to
say a constant stream but that sounds really corporate about it of that foster carers coming
through so that when those who do decide i'm retiring ring if that's the right term that we have
more foster carers to come forward to take their place um so that's really my my questions there
leader okay thank you for that uh comes up and there's a question Alex please yes thank you it is
um it is an issue for us we uh the vast majority of foster carers who we do lose our net loss comes
from people who are getting older and age related health concerns um so you're quite right in terms
of the mapping we have a foster whales fund replacement referral officer now in our team
who has undertaken a mapping exercise and has highlighted that most of our carers are in the 50
plus age bracket which will be an issue over the next 10 years so quite rightly we do need a
sufficient number of carers to come in to counteract those losses that we are projecting and so part
of what we're doing is adapting our recruitment and retention activity in order to better enable
younger people to come into fostering so for example the cabinet here is put in place a foster
friendly policy um which acknowledges that you know with cost of living rises and you know just
adult life in general you're going to be most likely juggling fostering with work and so what
we're doing is setting an example of what we want from our partners and any other local businesses
who are able to or are large enough to support it to also adopt foster friendly approaches that
enable people to have the flexibility to juggle the needs of foster children again start staying
in employment and they need in we'll touch on in their presentation some other aspects in terms
of that as well and and we're ensuring you know a greater level of visibility we're always trying
to look at other places to pop up and give more information about fostering and really looking
to adapt our strategies in order to meet those needs at the moment in particular we need to
support children aged 11 plus and that's where we've seen a particular challenge in terms of getting
the right carers in and so having a bit of a younger cohort can really be of assistance when
you're looking at the you know the fun challenges that those of your parents will be aware of come
with teenagers who are from you know an average background where they supported let alone children
who've experienced trauma and so the other things that we are doing are about enhancing our support
packages to support carers to also enable them and to support children enhancing the training
available and looking to really expand our support to cover out of ours arrangements as well and
but we'll go in we will go into more detail in the presentation in terms of some of those aspects
thank you very much yeah thank you comes to blend with and whilst of course we are
very keen to recruit more younger foster carers you can foster at any age can't you and
some of our most successful foster carers are in their 50s and 60s I think it is more about half
isn't it rather than age per se and we have some incredibly experienced foster carers and
and we hope many of them will go on for many more years to come but of course we're looking for
younger foster carers we want to get that message across that that actually can it can be a vocation
there are allowances that do make it an option for for people and sometimes don't realize people
don't realize that you get that financial support that means that you can combine it
with other roles or we do have some foster carers and that is their primary role and perhaps
they have other family members that have other work or maybe it is their only form of income but
because of the support that is available they can sustain them so again take that opportunity
once we've got the mic to make that point because it's a very important one apologies if that's
in the presentation but I think I'll segues nicely on to your presentation please thank you
thank you for having me all and I will share my presentation on the screen for you I think just
throughout your point is definitely not age I think what we find in is the carers who are likely
to age out of being here 20 to 30 years so it's more that their time is they're ready for retirement
and to spend time on themselves and rather than their age I suppose so what I've come today to talk
about is to just give a little bit of background on foster rails and the network I'm not sure of
the knowledge in the room of when we launched a few years ago and just to give you a bit of an
understanding of what we're doing nationally to support local authorities in the recruitment crisis
and to bring local authorities better working collaboratively to improve our offer for foster
carers and particularly at a time where we are still in competition with the private sector of
foster and we're unique in the sense of as part of social services foster carers are the only cohort
of people that get a choice of where they work or who they engage with so not only do we have to
consider how we safeguard and how we support and how we develop the provision that they're offering
but we also have to have a customer service focused and a sales approach on sometimes to
make sure that they're choosing to work with a local authority rather than our private sector
competitors and so just to give you a really brief background foster rails is the collaboration
of all 22 local authority fostering we launched as a brand about in 2021 and but have been working
with the Welsh government as a collaborative since 2016 having a regional development managers like
myself working with the six regions across Wales and bringing together the regional managers
nationally regularly we read on a fortnightly basis to both learn from the successes within our
LAs that we work with closely and but also to share the challenges and share the weaknesses that
we've got and whether there's something that we can capitalize on nationally as well as working
Welsh government around grant schemes and funding that's going to benefit all 22 local authorities
and we can work closely through the eliminate profit agenda at the moment and how we have a
big part in that to play in terms of the sufficiency going forward where Welsh government are attempting
to eradicate profit from the children's services sector. Just to give you a really brief background
our head of service we meet with the six lead head of services across Wales the lead head of
service become Taft McArnog with Annabelle Lloyd from RCT we also have our head of
Foster Wales as the coke which some of you may have seen us on TV and then we've got our six
regional development managers that sit and work alongside our heads of service and I'm your
regional development manager for Tom Taft McArnog I also manage our regional recruitment and marketing
team and so we have the luxury of two specific marketing experts with a huge amount of experience
in media and marketing and that really focus on our social media our website our delivery of
content that is going to engage with different age groups and making sure that we've got real
and credible content out there and to not only make sure that people who've never considered
foster in our and seeing our content and being able to engage with it but also to stay competitive
against the other agencies in the market and then we've got regional recruitment officers
which we now have one and we are grant funded currently by Welsh government but we have one
lead for each of the local authorities and Dawn Smith is your lead for Bridgetn.
So some of the national work streams that are being focused on both it's in Bridgetn but also
with the support of the national framework is Foster Care's Charter which I know has been to
this group before and we're still working on how that's embedded across the service in Bridgetn.
We have a national learning and development framework and a load of resources for different
deliveries of learning and development options and nationally so that we've got that consistency
of learning and development availability for our foster carers. We've got the
lecturing of having our regional marketing officers and our national marketing officer
to do national campaigns which we never did before becoming Foster Wales so we've hopefully
you've seen us on TV and we've had campaign TV ads running through the year and we're working
with celebrities which is exciting in terms of encouraging that younger age group
that we've already touched upon and this is going to run through the rest of this year
bring something to the table campaign linking to encouraging people to consider every skill set
or transferable skill they could have and consider how fostering can align with what
they're already doing or the career path they already have. We also one of the things I'm going
to touch upon is our big welcome so this has come from the Care Experience Summit and through Welsh
governments this has been funded nationally and it's going to be rolling out over the next few
weeks in Bajend. We touched upon early around allegations policies so we're doing a national
survey with foster carers annually to ensure that we're looking from the national picture around the
need of additional support for foster carers and what is keeping them in the role but also while
we can encourage new people to come forward to the role and one of the biggest areas of concern was
around how allegations were managed and what support was being offered to foster carers through that
process if it was to arise and we know this wildly different approaches across Wales and policies
that are very different so we're going to be working together with all of our services to
have a national approach to this and a toolkit for all professionals across every children's
services of how we manage allegations and concerns around our foster carers. The fostering friendly
and fostering partners I will touch upon that next and so we have launched a fostering friendly
employer here in Bajend so anyone who works for the county barrier will also get additional days
leave if they choose to become a foster carer. I'm also working with our public sector board so
15 of the 16 members on the public service board across the region are working through their policies
of adoption this including the police force our colleges and so that we can use those forums also
to recruit and to make sure that their employee networks are aware of what fostering is how they
can become a foster carer and how their employer would support them in doing so. We're also launching
in foster care fortnight which starts next week our foster world partner scheme so this is encouraging
smaller businesses who may not be able to be a foster and friendly employer due to not having
employee policies for example actually how they can show their support for fostering the local
community whether that's encouraging customers so to have discussions around it having our resources
up in their shopfront and talking to their employers and encouraging that support if one of their
employers would become a foster carer alongside their employment. Going back to the regional work
streams so alongside doing some work nationally we also come together as a region both on service
manager level team manager level and we are actually in July going to do our first development day for
all three fostering services to bring in all our supervising social workers together to learn
from experiences and to push forward certain agendas and some of the things that we're doing
regionally is having a regional skills to foster training and commissioning that ran by a really
successful foster carer and that's having a really positive responses we've had a hundred percent
uptake in attending that course but also continuing with the application process following that course
which has been a massive increase from across the region over the last two years.
We're currently in a position where we're developing a parent and child scheme regionally
and this would be our first step in properly sharing sufficiency for parent and child because
it is a niche need but also harder to recruit for and we are going to be putting some money
regionally around a parent and child recruitment campaign but also sharing that sufficiency where
there is a need when those needs arise across the three LAs and then future development through the
year is the first year in practice for foster carers and so one of the big and this is something
that we are going to look at rolling out nationally and having a better induction process of new
carers coming on board particularly in the recruitment crisis that we're in and they come with a vast
difference in skills sets and experiences and we need to have a thorough induction process not
only that initial onboarding but also making sure that they've got a variety of different learning
opportunities a different nurturing experiences so that we get them to the standard of foster carer
that we need them to be particularly at a stage where we've got complexity of needs that we
we need to place with them. We've also literally out of this week in progen launched the big welcomes
this has come out of Welsh governments summit with young people young people and children
that have been in care of express that they've knew very little about their foster carers before
knocking on that door and maybe only knew a name and had no more information and I know
over look a place of which hard to have paper profiles over time but they never successfully
got to that young person before and going to their foster carer so we've launched with support
from action from children a welcome profile app so we'll have a really simple profile for every
single foster carer that can be directly linked to any person in the authority who's going to be
placed in that child so even if it's an emergency if they're in the back of a car in McDonald's
wherever they might be that link can be brought up on any device and can be talked through with
that young person of who what their foster carers like are what the things they might do what
information they might need and also a welcome message which can be personalized at last minute
and from the foster carer to the young person. I've already touched upon this a little bit and I'm
sure you're aware of the eliminate profit drive and this is going to although we are probably all
very much backing the ambition of Welsh government it is going to cause issues with sufficiency and
we're still waiting on the bill to be announced of what the legal status is going to be for this
and how that will look in terms of the offer of placements within an independent sector
so we need to make sure that we are on the ground are working really hard with people who might
consider moving to the local authority if they are fostering currently with a private sector
or encouraging more people who have never considered it before to come forward.
I'm going to pass over to Alex. So in terms of our recruitment and retention we do have some
challenges some of which we discussed and touched on earlier to do with you know the cost of living
and you know the the bedroom tax certainly impacted on a lot of people who might otherwise
come forward for fostering and looking at make sure we're just selling myths so we've done a lot
of sort of campaigns that are focused on this so for example you don't have to be a homeowner to
be a foster carer and you're not prevented from fostering if you're in a same-sex relationship
these are some of the challenges that people you know ask us about when we're out there in the
community and this is why we are spending more time out there in the community setting up pop-ups
and being available to answer some of these questions supported by our marketing team then
in putting this information out there all over the social media and in our area as we touched upon
we have of course an aging fostering population at the moment I need to ensure that we are recruiting
sufficient numbers coming in in order to have that sufficiency that we need to support our
children and young people. I think just to touch upon the availability of spare bedrooms because
these are real examples that we're seeing in bridge end of people coming forward they've got
the ambition they've got the empathy to become foster carers but they don't have the spare
bedroom and that's probably one of the the barriers with our younger cohorts and they might have
the empathy they might have the desire to not have their own children and want to consider
fostering or adoption but don't have the luxury of a spare bedroom whereas cohorts 10, 15 years
ago would have done and it's with really seeing that in practice. I'm just going to touch upon
the marketing strategy so just for you to be aware it takes out on average seven years for someone
to consider fostering so from that initial thought or maybe I could foster one day to making an
inquiry with us can take seven years on average which is why we need to continue to do as much
activity as we possibly can and obviously we there has been years previous to foster world
coming in play where activity was quite sporadic and people do need to see interactions have
interactions over those seven year periods that will really get them through this process of
awareness interest desire and action so you might see a banner on a railing and people will be like
oh well that's not going to encourage someone to foster but that's that initial spark of making
them think of foster whales and just having it in their their world I suppose of being aware that
we are in need of foster carers growing into doing those events and that community engagement
stopping people telling them about their need of our our young people and we are working really
hard in the region to write blogs and real stories from coaching our foster carers to lift the lids
on the experiences they are having and the experiences of our young people working with Steve for
example around encouraging our young people to share their voices and their successes and so
we we can show the public of what really works for our young people when foster carers are there
to support them and have that stability for example on mural that was happening for Jen was a big way
of us showing how our young people have responded to being in foster carers and the work that they've
had with their foster carers and so just to be aware all of these activities are really important
at every single stage that we're targeting anyone through that thought process which is why at any
opportunity we've got to talk to the public or any cohort of people we're really relishing that
opportunity so if there's anyone you guys think might offer time for us to go in and speak to them
or present to them that would be really valuable in activity. So as you can see we have had some
successes here in terms of our recruitment you know the new post of the recruitment officer
dedicated to Bridgette has made just a significant difference for us and most of you will be familiar
with lovely Chopsie Dawn who comes to see you and makes you think about fostering and it's just
lovely having someone so bubbly and motivated out they're generating those numbers for us
you'll also see her out there with one of our liaison carers as well often so we've got our
foster carers being an active part of our recruitment journey and we achieved more approvals this
year than we did in our previous year in terms of our fostering assessments but sadly the issue is
that we have a net loss overall because of our numbers of people leaving so this is why we've
got to have this constant drive and something that we all as a whole local authority are committed to.
So in terms of what we're up to in Bridgette and you know some of you were instrumental in helping
us get our mural into place where our young persons forum which was a poet laureate to develop
a poem that is now on our mural here in BCBC and this was the launch of a national campaign as well
so this wasn't just a BCBC specific we were the target area we were the launch for our whole
national campaign other photos there are of how our schools have been supporting us proudly
displaying our banners we're doing we've been going around visiting and promoting them on social
media so some little things that you can do to help are by going onto Facebook following foster
whales or on any of your socials and spreading our posts you know sharing those posts and
tagging people who you think might be interested the more followers we have the
greater reach we have the more people then get to see this and and plant those seeds
that Amy's been talking about. A new port market was a fantastic day for us and members of the
team went there there was a cooking demonstration with a chef and really focusing on food as something
central that all of our children are really interested in that we generally as humans are
but foster care is really speaking about those experiences of the first day a child comes into
and live with them and thinking about well what me and am I going to make them how are we going to
sit down as a family together and and that child's sense of belonging in the family it's something
that's really unifying and there's actually going to be a recipe book coming out as well with
foster carers favorite recipes for children they've supported over the years.
Yes so that our theme has been what can you bring to the table and food for the entire year
and so going into foster care fortnight we have developed a recipe book which has come from recipes
all across Wales from foster carers from young people in care but also some celebrities so I can
announce that Kerry Pritchard McLean which some of you may be aware of as a comedian she is now a
foster carer for a nice morning anglesee and her new tall peacock is launching this week is all
about fostering and her journey into becoming a foster carer in her thirdies and she very much
wants to be a one woman one woman to show around recruitment so we are going to have recruitment
stores at all of her and gigs across the whole of the UK so both in England and Wales and so
we're hoping that will help us in terms of working with a younger cohort she'll also be on BBC Breakfast
next week talking about foster Wales and was on Women's Hour yesterday if you want to go back and
listen to that and talk about how encouraging young people to consider particularly working with
teenagers because that's what she's been doing with her partner around encouraging that dynamic
and supporting teenagers in care so she's written a recipe book we've also got a Patma Wipbread
written a recipe book and we're going to be meeting with her in Cardiff which we've got foster carers
and staff members from the gend coming up in the second week of foster care fortnight we also have
Colleen Ramsey who is Aaron Ramsey the footballer's wife she is a chef on S4C and she's going to be
doing a cookery workshop with young people in care across Wales and so that we're hoping to get
press coverage of that and across the foster rooms care fortnight and the book will be going
out all across social media and along with some local activity that we'll be running. So we just
got this to share with you this is all the stuff that's going to be happening across way across
the gend and a couple of the national activities that we're going to be joining and there's posters
up around the building but if there's any of these that you would feel like you'd like to come and
support we'd be very open to that and I've just ended the presentation really briefly on all of
the ways in which we've asked Councillors across Wales to support us so particularly on things that
I've touched upon around fostering friendly if there's any employers you feel like would take on
that getting us in touch with them and any communication with your community groups coming to any
community of you feel appropriate for us to do so and sharing on your social media or email signatures
and that kind of thing. We'd be open to any questions. Okay thank you very much for that.
Amy, a lot of work I've been in taking currently so that's positive and I can see the impact it's
added to the inquiries which is which is well now a lot of those inquiries won't come to anything
but even if a handful do then that's progress isn't it and we also know that some of those
inquiries may not initially be progressed but people may come back hopefully not in seven years
but they'll come back. That comes to good please. Thank you, Leader. Thank you guys for taking
us through that presentation. It was really, really interesting and really positive which is really
great to hear. Just to pick up on the slide around the introductory app that you have
come online, I think this is a really positive step forward. I know it's a big issue within
the KSEG/DRAN school sectors when you have a doctorate or foster children coming into
new settings and making sure that the people responsible for them have that information at
hand when they need it so I think that that's really positive. I just wanted on that though to ask
what considerations have been made with regards to ensuring the data protection of those files
within those apps as we know placements can move quite quickly and how do we ensure that that
child's data is kept safe and private and then on the other hand though, are we looking at a
way to ensure that that is then potentially shared with any schools that they might be going into
to make sure that those teachers who are faced with with a new people coming in who potentially had
a lot of care experience, you know, has that data to ensure that they can manage any emotion
on these or any needs that that child has within the school system as well.
Thank you for that Council. Yeah, thank you for the question. I think I probably wasn't clear
enough because the initial development of this app is for foster care as profiles so it's to
ensure that the young person is seeing something about their foster care before being placed and
it's been prequered through card if so all of the data protection has been covered in terms of
that profile only being held by a particular social worker for a short period of time.
Interestingly, I've had this discussion a couple of times over the last few weeks since we've
been ready to launch and I know education, we're talking about the one-page profiles for a while
and I know it was Welsh Government ambitions for that to be something that we use across society
and actually realistically a paper profile or a profile that sits on systems that are very
different in all of our partners. It's going to be hard to achieve and whether we look at rolling
something out using a similar system to the big welcome for our young people is something that
I have raised nationally of whether it has got scope about technology to do something further
and having a profile for our young people, whether education and those would consider doing something
similar, we can definitely have those discussions. Thank you for that, Amy and the question comes
again. Certainly I think in terms of, I don't like to use it, I'd like to raise with this because
it brings some people out in a rash, doesn't it, I think, but into the replacement system for that,
we would want that in an ideal world if we had a longer run-in and I still hope that we can make
sure that we don't lose the opportunity to have the functionality for that because it was crucial
that that information is held privately and the confidentiality is maintained. It could be invaluable
as a tool could net because we know that certainly it's an incredibly daunting experience for lots,
if not most of children, they probably just lost their parents to them or moving from a place that
they know to a place that they've never been before with people they've never met before,
then anything about them, that can be extremely anxious and worrying time and just have something
as simple as use a little bit more information about them can make a big difference, can't it?
Particularly in this day and age where, of course, our children and people live in a digital world,
don't they, where actually for them finding about something in a digital way is the most important
way for them before they have that face-to-face contact. So that's something I'm sure we'll
continue to try and there are huge barriers but doesn't mean we don't try and overcome those barriers,
I'm pleased that we made the progress we have around that. Steve, you wanted to come in?
Thank you, Leader. Councillor Goode has raised a good point whilst I recognise the
app in the first instance is set up to provide a profile of the foster carers as a result of
Welsh Government's third summit of care experienced young people, providing a voice to voices from
care, a collective of care experienced young people across Wales. One of the issues raised by
children and young people was that could they have a pen picture of themselves provided to
the foster carer in readiness so that then when they come through the door it's not a surprise
to the foster carers and they have an idea of what their needs and interests are. So whilst in the
first instance the biggest issue has always been who am I going to, what are they like and where
are they from and all of that, that's really important. The second part, our care experienced
population has also stated they want to provide some kind of profile of themselves. So I guess
what the point that I'm raising is from what Amy has been supporting through Foster Wales,
that will probably need to be developed in answer to the young people's statements within the third
summit and those safeguarding issues still need to go forward and another word to the wise as well
is the consensual issue of young people maybe not wishing to provide a profile as well but at least
they have that opportunity and that information system needs to provide both. Thank you very much.
So much for Steve, come to a good place. Yeah thanks for that Steve. I totally agree with that. I think
using a personal example, I know a child experience, sorry a care experience child who
moved multiple foster care settings through out there early life and I think even if it is just
that opportunity to write something simple about themselves that can be passed on before and just
to help with that anxiety and I think as well you know as we all know a lot of
care experienced children do have issues which are sometimes, which they find hard to express
in person to a new individual particularly if you have moved from setting to setting. So I think
it is something and you know it's really encouraging to hear that that is something that's come out
from the children themselves as something that we need to say for because I think it is a really
important point to make to the care system. Yes it is very encouraging and hopefully we'll
hear more progress in that regard. Are you ready? Can I see fingers that are ready there Alex? You
want to come back in? Thank you. Yes I just wanted to offer some reassurance in terms of whenever
we search the placements for children one of the key parts of the document we use is called an
Orwell's referral one part of this is pen picture of the child and where possible this is completed
in the child's own words. There is a youth forum that is facilitated by the four C's of young
commissioners and they were part of putting that form together and we're consulted on it and the
information that needs to be in it and the language that's used and sometimes it can be you know
difficult we have to train social workers in it because they're not used to opening a document on
Wickers and seeing funky living. Well what am I supposed to put for funky living? So we do have
a very child focused way of putting children's profiles into our placement searches and providing
that to carers and to accompany those Orwell's referrals we use a template as something called
all about me and where possible where children want to their social worker will sit down with
them and complete that document with them they can draw pictures they can talk about specific
interests hobbies and that you'd be surprised how many children are very keen to see you know
what dog do they have and in particular that seems to be a real area of focus and they love
looking after animals a lot of our young people and having this opportunity so and while we don't
have the technology there yet we don't have the app we do have systems in place already to enable
young people to have a part in that matching and finding process for their placement.
Thank you much for that Alex so we particularly welcome applications from foster carers with dogs
there. And caravans yes yeah yeah it's in the there's in the criteria but that can be very
important can it we've found with with lots of foster carers it can be a real way it can be a
real icebreaker and and then children really love that opportunity to be providing care for
other people or other creatures. Okay so recognition be moved seconded
ever in the agreement and I'm sure we'll share the details of those events with with
all members because I'm sure all members want to provide that support that very important
fortnight in the campaign to encourage more people to come forward to foster.
We'll now take a five-minute comfort break so mindful that we've been here for two hours and
there's a certain there's a cabinet member here who is if she was here would be reminded me of that
so we will have a five-minute comfort break and then we will return for the report then and I
should have added actually and I didn't in terms of the inspection we will of course receive a
future report on that. I have taken that as red progress has been made but obviously I'm
lots of positive progress but we need to make sure that all the action points are completed
we will have a return visit by the inspectors and we want to know what the outcome of that
return inspection is and I do apologize for to call these because this meeting is taking a little
longer than our last couple of meetings. I'm not accepting responsibility for that this year.
I genuinely think there's others yes yes there's been lots of very engaging
all the questions have been very engaging and helpful so we will take that five-minute comfort
and of surshourly.
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Transcript
In the virtual chamber, the indication that anyone hasn't returned yet, I was just a quick look at the attendance list and it looks like we do have everyone here. So we will restart the meeting and we'll now receive the final report on today's agenda and it's an update on youth justice service and care experienced young people. And I'm very pleased that we've been joined by the group manager, Mark Lewis and strategic manager for the service Christa Bonham Griffiths and also by the head of service in education, children and young people's directorate. No, that's wrong, isn't it? It's got a new title, I'm getting used to it. So very warm welcome to colleagues from the directorate and over to, I don't know if it's a nickel marker, introducing the report and then Christa's coming in. Yeah, thank you, leader, education early years and young people directorate. But yet, good afternoon, all Mark Lewis group manager, family support, I think soon to be group manager early years and young people Christa, I'll call you in and I think we'll then move to a Q&A rather me laborer at any more. Chris, are you happy to take members through the main points of the report? Absolutely, yes, good afternoon all. Okay, so the purpose of the report as a key partner because Bridgette Youth Justice Service is a key partner of the corporate parenting board, so it's to provide you with an update of youth justice provision for care experienced children or those at risk of becoming care experienced, because as you can imagine, we do have quite a large number of children that are of increasing complexities within our service and one of the main aims of our service is to develop robust pathways to improve the outcomes of those children, most at risk offending behaviour or harm related behaviour. In terms of our statutory duties, well, that's it really in a nutshell, we have to ensure that those children between ages 10 and 18 who are at risk of offending, that when we identify them until we put a robust assessment plan and pathway in for those children that enter our service to try and reduce that offending and we have a responsibility to comply with the Youth Justice Strategic Plan, which is a three-year plan, and we also have a responsibility to comply with frameworks like the Youth Justice Blueprint for Wales, which very much focuses on a child being a child first and an offender second and to ensure that we try and divert those children from being stigmatised by criminalisation into other services where necessary and we work with them to avoid criminalisation in the first place, and also we have to comply with the Wales Protocol for Reducing Care Experienced Children and Young People and therefore it's really important and imperative that our work with the Corporate Parent in Board is included in the work that we do with those children. In terms of the, through the descriptions in the report, it very much focuses on how we've developed our services to include a wide range of support services for children who are entering Youth Justice Services. The report talks about the breakdown of the amount of children that we've got who are currently care experienced. Currently the report describes that of about 92 children, 13 per cent are care experienced children and for those children indeed all about children we have a responsibility to provide a range of programmes to suit their needs and complexities. So we describe in that report the individualised trauma support, the prevention and diversion model of practice that we've introduced which includes prevention and diversion panel. That panel is a multi-agency panel including community safety, including early health, children services, there's a range of services in there. So we've got entrance and exit strategies for those children who are identified as being reviewed into the service. We've improved our speech and language support so all children, 13 and under now get a standardized speech and language assessment and all of our other children that are 13 and above are reviewed in through our assessment process and we're currently working, the speech and language therapist is currently working with 70 per cent of those children so that's a huge development in that support that's provided through that department. There's mental health support and substance use support in house so we have substance misuse worker and now we've managed to obtain a calms worker, part-time calms worker to support those children with mental health concerns and indeed support the workers to support children with mental health concerns. We've introduced alongside our corporate parenting board the introduction of a resettlement panel and that aims to improve our resettlement and transition planning with our wider partners. So we've got housing, we've got corporate parenting, probation, community safety, number of our partners around the table to ensure that the pathway plans for those children and resettlement plans are firmly in place and we review them on an ongoing basis. We're also involved with our wider exploitation panel, the local authority and safeguarding processes and planning so not only at a managerial level but as part of child protection, conferences, planning and where there's direct planning for any children known to our service. Referrals to our external partners and specific support where necessary is key to success for those children and as part of that we're involved with a range of voluntary services such as Bernardo's School of Mental Health Services and the list goes on really in terms of our voluntary service participation and involvement to ensure that the widest scope of health is available for children entering an accident at Youth Justice Services. Our aim is to have one plan for the child so whilst we work to different systems where children services are a plan in place we very much will blend into that one plan to avoid that duplication and repetition in terms of that child's journey through our systems and our staff have been involved in the signs of safety model training and also our partner's children services staff have also been involved in our trauma training so that's a combined effort and I think the main aim really is to work together in partnership to ensure that the needs of the child are best met and also that there's Lumex, it's strategies for those children who are leaving our service and I think that covers the content of the report. Thanks so much for that summary of the report very interesting Krista, so over now to colleagues for any questions on the report, Councillor Blender please. Yeah thank you Chair I just originally want first I'll move the report but I really just wanted to extend my congratulations and thanks to Krista and Mark and the rest of the team in Youth Justice because it wasn't that long ago that the service was in special measures and was in a particularly bad place. I think we've seen over the last few years there has been a gigantic shift in the way the service is run in Bridge End and is now in a much better place than it ever has been before and I think that's testament really to the great work of officers really who have like Krista and Mark are with us today to bring that forward and we can see that we're one of the we were the only youth service justice service teams to be successful with the UK government funding in Wales and of a handful of all services in the entire of the United Kingdom we were we all attend myself the leader, the deputy leader, Councillor Farr all attended the launch for the UK government on a political standpoint you know the police police minister couldn't join us but it was great to see that all those teams coming together and again it's just fantastic to see that the service is in a much better place so really that's all I wanted to just really highlight to the committee because some of them may not be aware of the service or may not know its history but just really to say thank you very much to the pair of them and the rest of the team for their hard work really so thank you. Thank you very much Councillor Blum I'm sure that that's echoed by all all cabinets that you might myself it's a it's a remarkable turnaround to the service and be very proud that we've secured a significant investment actually from UK government in that in that trauma-based approach to supporting our young people because we know in the vast majority of cases they have experienced trauma over the day and adverse childhood experiences and it's about putting that the the child first because they may have committed the offenses but first and foremost they are children and in need our support and quite often there there are which children there because they're in there in the in the care system and we have those additional duties and responsibilities to them comes to good as an axe please thank you leader and similarly as as leader and casual bundle say I'm more than happy to to also extend my congratulations and I think it's a really positive step forward and it's really great to see the the progress I just wanted to raise the question really I am I'm sure all the members of this committee and and all the officers attending the committee will have been concerned about the reports coming out of Park Prison over the last few weeks and obviously we we tragically heard of the death of a 17-year-old at Park Prison a day or so ago and I just wondered if officers could update us on what work has been done within the youth offending unit that's within Park to be making sure that those young people are as safe as possible and what representation is being made to g for us and to the Ministry of Justice to make sure that these you know increasing concerns because you know they must be increasing concerns for all of us that that work is being done to improve what seems to be a very difficult situation in Park Prison at the moment. When it comes in first comes to good and then I'll ask Krista to pick up some of the specifics so for the record there's a designated senior practitioner social work senior practitioner on Brigène's payroll but sits within the young offenders unit within Park Prison and obviously in terms of management oversight and supervision professional supervision that's done through the Youth Justice Service and Krista and her operational managers. I'm not cited on the specifics of it you know and I can care really very very sad these are not to my knowledge between children don't for one minute think these are children but but I just wanted for the record to you know to indicate that you know to my knowledge some of the more recent sad events but you are right there is a pattern for want of a better term the G4S sit on our way youth justice service management board which meets actually quite timely tomorrow and we are seeking some updates you know at that sort of strategic level and some reassurances really in terms of you know clearly it'll be a case-by-case basis but we're trying to determine whether any patterns any lessons can be learned but before I asked maybe Krista to come in on some of the specifics just to reiterate we do have that designated post and that isn't just for potential room because as you probably know there's only small numbers if ever children within that young offenders unit at a potential room but Krista have you got any put you on the spot really any specifics you want to add to that I think it's a really good point Councillor our senior practitioner is there for specifically that purpose that we need to provide safety planning for all of our children because park prison is based in regent so he has the responsibility for ensuring the home authorities as well as our own albeit there are no children from regent in park prison currently but he has a responsibility to ensure the safety planning alongside the marsh and the designated officer the lado so they work very closely together to ensure that the plan for each child in that young offenders institute section are you know are covered by the home authority and that safety plan is in place so that's very much a responsibility in terms of his role he meets very regularly with the other designated social workers across England and Wales and they meet on a regular basis to discuss cases safety planning and whilst there is a lot of media attention at the moment around park prison situation in park in terms of the young persons area there is actually a very positive one in terms of what we see on the ground so I just would like to reiterate that that that role and the function of that role really does assist us to work in partnership around those safety plans for children thank you for that Mark and Krista I absolutely right to rate this today comes to good I have written to the the minister responsible in the ministry of of justice in regards to recent very sad deaths at park prison have the response from that but we will be continuing that dialogue with and we're seeking a urgent meeting actually with the governor of the prison to discuss what action is being put in place to make the prison as safe as it can be particularly for young people who are there and I will bring in the corporate director for social services and while being to provide further detail of the action that we're taking as an authority ultimately the responsibility is with the GOS and park prison and the home office but we are partners and we've got responsibilities and it's a multi-faceted set of responsibilities across children's and adults but I know that the corporate director will provide more details around those responsibilities in terms of the young people that are at a park prison. Claire please thank you very much for doing a really important question so in terms of our role as the safeguarding authority we've got have a role around any issues in terms of individuals at risk of harm be that a children a child at risk or or an adult at risk and we take forward those individual safeguarding cases for anybody who's resident for a period in park as we do for any other part of the progen population we've got a responsibility as part of the from Talfa McGannock Regional Safeguarding Board and the legislation in terms of safeguarding in Wales encourages prisoners in the prisons and the secure estate to engage with regional safeguarding boards and park prisoner governor does so you know through the board there will be discussion and holding to account as appropriate within the legislation in terms of of any issues that are ongoing at park prison we there is a safeguarding board within the prison on which offices from this authority sit and there's a health prison partnership on which offices sit as well so we will be using all the mechanisms that we have available to us under the governance as as described by the leader to ensure as best we're able as a safeguarding authority that safeguarding arrangements are robust and as effective as they can be in light of the very concerning series of of tragic deaths that have been reported in the media thank you for that care and of course we will continue that work and we continue to speak to wherever we need to speak to you right wherever we need to write you to into we have that reassurance that progress is being made and the measures are in place that need to be in place to keep people particularly the young people at park as safe as they can be other any other questions on this report please I do think it would be helpful because there is some excellent work that takes place within the service just to talk about the I'm forgiving me if I'm using those to terminology but I don't know if it's still called restorative justice but certainly the work that's undertaken in the community by some of our young offenders because I know that can make a real difference can't it in terms of giving a sense of purpose and value to young people that have often never felt any sense of purpose or value and can be fundamental to that young person that young person having a more positive future and not a future within the youth justice system Krista please yes I mean it's it's one of our main responsibilities is to ensure that the needs of our victims are also met as per the victim code of practice so we have responsibility to contact all of our victims of children's crimes and then to ask them whether they would wish to participate in a restorative opportunity and that will include the whole menu of restorative options available to them so that could mean things like a letter of apology if they would like the child to participate in reparation toward them or in the community if they would like mediation or indeed if they would like direct conference or meeting with with the child obviously we have to assess the readiness of both parties in that so we wouldn't put anybody in a precarious or difficult position if it wasn't you know if it was going to actually re-victimize the victim or cause any food or harm to the child so that has a very robust assessment process around it some of the community projects that we have are the building skills project where young people as part of the service are able to participate as part of their reparation hours if they've got a community or court order where they may be given those hours in court they're able to participate in building skills construction type skills where they help to build castles and other buildings playground areas for children in schools community services and actually that's extended quite widely across the whole authority so if anybody'd like to come and have a look at some of the buildings that we've created in the schools with children to ensure that there's community cohesion and that there's repair where harm has been caused then anybody would be free to come and have a look at those we're also starting to do some reparative work in schools where there's been incidents of harm and there's been antisocial behavior with some of our youth justice officers and most recently we are raising awareness of knife crime and knife related possessions weapon possessions and we have a police officer and a volunteer who has just started to go out to the bridge end schools to do some work to try and prevent children carrying or possessing weapons in the first place that's obviously taken off in the last couple of weeks and was in the planning prior to the horrible incident that happened in almondford most recently but some of that work is really productive in terms of trying to change the attitudes feelings and thoughts of our children before they end up entering a police station so that prevention work is absolutely key to being the driving force in preventing children coming through the service in the first place thank you very much for that Chris, that's very encouraging to hear and particularly that very timely work around knife crime because it is something that I know this is an area that's looked at constantly by the police. We don't have a particular, thankfully in Virginia there's no discernible trend at the moment of rising knife crime but we have to be ever vigilant don't we and no knife crime is one knife crime too many and we certainly don't want that to become a bigger problem than it is in Virginia and so that that work is key as you just described and no doubt we'll we'll we'll closely with schools on that and I'm sure schools will be very keen to be part of that initiative. Okay I can't see any of us has any other questions but thank you again Krista for our mark and the clip of the work of the service. I have said today that well I've requested at least three further reports but I suppose I'm taking advantage of being in chair here but we will consider how we receive a further report on Park Prison because we do need to be clear about that as you heard it's very complex and multifaceted isn't it our duties and responsibilities and individual level and at a proactive level as a safeguard authority as the authority responsible for young offenders so we will look to see how that is shared and continue that work and that engagement that was described by myself and the corporate director for social services and well at the end and I will share the latter response of how back from the minister with with the relevant members as well. Okay have a moverner it's second if I haven't had it all already you know the moverner's seconder is everyone in agreement please thank you all for your your attendance you today there are there is no of that urgent business and so I will bring the meeting to an end thank you
Summary
The council meeting focused on reviewing progress and addressing challenges in various community services, particularly in children and family services. Key discussions included the inspection of foster services, the implementation of a three-year sustainability plan for children's services, and the use of a hybrid meeting format.
Inspection of Foster Services:
- Decision: The council reviewed the recent inspection report of foster services, which highlighted strengths such as the involvement of children's voices and areas needing improvement like matching and safe care practices.
- Arguments: There was a consensus on the need to enhance foster care training and support, with emphasis on better matching and handling of allegations.
- Implications: Actions were proposed to address the inspection findings, including revising policies and increasing training for foster care staff.
Three-Year Sustainability Plan for Children's Services:
- Decision: Progress on the three-year plan was discussed, with a focus on improving workforce stability and practice within children's services.
- Arguments: The discussion underscored the importance of reducing reliance on agency staff and embedding a consistent practice model across the service.
- Implications: Continued investment in staff training and recruitment was deemed essential for sustaining improvements and meeting future challenges.
Hybrid Meeting Format:
- Decision: The effectiveness of the hybrid meeting format was acknowledged.
- Arguments: Benefits such as increased accessibility and flexibility were noted, alongside challenges like maintaining engagement remotely.
- Implications: The council considered continuing the hybrid format to enhance participation and inclusivity in future meetings.
Interesting Event:
- During the meeting, there was a notable emphasis on using digital tools to improve service delivery and communication, reflecting an ongoing shift towards integrating technology in council operations. The council meeting focused on receiving a final report concerning the Youth Justice Service and care experienced young people. The report was presented by key service managers, and discussions included updates on service improvements, partnerships, and specific support programs for youth at risk of offending.
Decision: Approval of the Youth Justice Service Report The council moved to approve the report detailing the progress and current status of the Youth Justice Service. Arguments in favor highlighted the significant improvements and successful funding acquisition, reflecting a positive turnaround from previous challenges. The decision implies continued support and resources will be allocated to maintain and enhance the service's initiatives. This approval underscores the council's commitment to addressing youth justice and rehabilitation effectively.
Additional Information: During the meeting, concerns were raised about recent incidents at Park Prison, particularly the safety of young inmates. This prompted discussions on safeguarding responsibilities and inter-agency cooperation to ensure the welfare of incarcerated youth. The council plans to seek further updates and possibly take additional actions to address these concerns, reflecting the seriousness with which they view the safety of young individuals in correctional facilities.
Attendees
Documents
- 08.05.24. -Appendix 1 - 3 Year Plan Action Log - Year 1 Review
- 08.05.25 - CIW Inspection Foster Wales Bridgend v1.0
- 08.05.24 - Appendix 1 - CIW Inspection Report Foster Wales Bridgend
- Agenda frontsheet 08th-May-2024 10.00 Cabinet Committee Corporate Parenting agenda
- 08.05.22 - Basic Income Pilot Scheme Exit Strategy v1.0
- Minutes 01022024 Cabinet Committee Corporate Parenting
- 08.05.24. - CSC 3 Year Plan- Review Year 1
- 08.05.24 - Appendix 2 - Improvements and Actions
- CCPC BYJS CEC 080524 v1.0
- Public reports pack 08th-May-2024 10.00 Cabinet Committee Corporate Parenting reports pack
- Printed minutes 08th-May-2024 10.00 Cabinet Committee Corporate Parenting minutes