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Hi, I'm Councillor Adrian Garden, Councillor for British and Rush Common Ward And I'm Councillor M&I, Councillor for Knights Hill Ward And I'll come over to offices for introductions in a moment Oh, a little bit of feedback there, sorry So good afternoon everybody and welcome to the meeting of the Licensing Subcommittee As I mentioned, my name is David Robson And I have a few announcements to make for the meeting rules The meeting has been hosted by Lambeth and has been broadcast live I should have checked that before we started, sorry Via audio minutes and recordings may be used for quality and training purposes In the event that any technical issues require the meeting to be adjourned And it cannot be restarted within a few minutes Further updates will be posted on the council's X account Which is at LBL Democracy There's no scheduled fire alarms here because it just went off an hour ago But should the alarm be heard again, I'll have to duck out So yes, don't worry about that But to ensure that this meeting runs smoothly Only one individual will be allowed to speak at a time Please ensure, as I've mentioned previously, that your microphone is muted Unless you're speaking Any person speaking must be permitted to finish what they are saying without interruption And if I request that an individual stop speaking They should do so immediately Interruptions may result in you being disconnected from the meeting Also, just try and make sure that your names are clearly in the name bar And that there's no distracting backgrounds either when you're speaking Sorry, Mr Roche, if you could just mute yourself at the time being Until we finish that, that would be great In fact, I'll do it There we go, done Okay, with that in mind Members of the public, if they are present Are welcome to record or tweet the public proceedings of the meeting And also please be advised that the subcommittee will notify the interested parties of its decision on each application Within five working days So that gets the announcements bits out of the way We move on to declarations of interest Do any of my colleagues have declarations of interest in either application? No No Good And the minutes of the previous meeting, could we take them as agreed? Agreed Agreed Thank you Okay, over to officers quickly, just for quick introductions If I can go over to Jacqueline and Kaya And then Selina Good afternoon everyone, I'm Jacqueline Pennycook, Democratic Services Good afternoon, my name is Kaya Small, I'm a Democratic Service Officer Taking the audio minutes today Thanks Kaya Hi, I'm Selina Wiafi and I'm the legal advisor to the subcommittee this afternoon And then we'll come over to the officers who you'll be hearing from a little bit shortly But in alphabetical order Go with you Justin Good afternoon, my name is Justin Atkinson I'm the licensing officer for Lambeth Council Good afternoon, my name is Paul Richards, I'm the licensing manager Brilliant, thank you You'll be hearing from more of them shortly as we go through the meeting So we have two applications in this meeting, one is The first up we're going to deal with is juicy papers Sorry, I'm just going to, I'm getting a bit of feedback from you Mr Rocha So I've just popped you on mute please, so don't unmute yourself just yet And then the second hearing is going to be La Teresa Oh, I can see, I think I probably understand Mr Rocha, the reason why we're getting feedback is because you've got two computers up here So that's why we're getting the feedback, so if you could pick one, unless the other is really necessary But we'll be coming to you next anyway So I think you've got a bit of time to get that sorted So, juicy bagels first up And Paul, I believe you're all standing in for Marcia to introduce this one That's correct Chair Thank you And again, good afternoon everyone So today I'm here to present the case for Juicy Bagels Which is situated at 168 Acre Lane, London SW25U L This is an application seeking a new premises licence The application is for late night refreshment and the sale of alcohol The application is seeking the following licensable activities Late night refreshment on the Friday and Saturday From 2300 hours to 0100 hours Sorry, I'm going to have to remove that I'm going to remove that from the meeting If they can ask you Because, sorry to interrupt you Justin But whoever, sorry Mr Rocha Could you just confirm who's at that other computer please I'm going to try to switch off here Sorry I'm going to try to disconnect because there's a lot of echo That's it, thank you Okay, thank you Thank you Lovely Paul, continue please Sorry about that That's okay Sorry This application is seeking the following activities Late night refreshment Friday and Saturday From 2300 hours to 0100 hours And the sale of alcohol Friday and Saturday from 10am to 0100 hours Monday to Thursday, 100 hours to 2300 hours And Sunday, 100 hours to 2300 hours In attendance for this application is the applicant Apologies if I mispronounce your name Is Miss Tulloch And her licensing representative is Mr Daly During this consultation, four representations were received Against the application from members of the public The applicant subsequently agreed conditions Which can be found on page 34 to 41 of the report And also agreed for the commencement time of the sale of alcohol To commence at 1100 hours Which is in line with our licensing policy We sent out notices of hearing We had one acknowledgement from Susan Who said she'd be attending Her representation is on page 46 The application form and plans can be found on page 29 to 38 of the report The agreed conditions are on 39 to 41 And the representations against the applications are on pages 43 to 46 And there's a picture and location of the map of the premises Which can be found on page 47 This concludes my introduction However, if there are any questions, I'm happy to answer Thank you very much, Paul Any questions from committee at this stage? I suppose an only kind of point of order would be Given that Marcia had been previously handling this and Susan isn't here I just wonder if she has received the meeting invitation in time And that if not, maybe forward on to Chair, I can confirm that the four residents All parties were sent out the notice of hearing And we received an email back from Susan Saying that she will be attending Okay, but as long as all that's been adhered to And if they decide not to show up, that's on them But brilliant, thank you Okay, so I believe now we go over to Mr. Daly Sorry, is the applicant here as well? Sorry, is it Ms. Tullock? If so, I would just say just to pop your camera on please During this part of the hearing And then Mr. Daly, when you're ready, you've got up to five minutes Thank you, firstly, a couple of things I'd like to point out in relation to this application Is in relation to the representations, there's no evidence behind what's been submitted And secondly, one of the most pertinent elements of this application is that All responsible authorities have been consulted There was ongoing discussions and all agreed I think we can come to the representations and such later I don't think, you know, if you could just introduce the application in your Up to five minutes, that'd be brilliant So, this is a modest application It's within policy hours Conditions have been agreed with all responsible authorities In relation to your determination, we would ask you to grant the application As has been agreed with all the authorities And that is an element supported within the 182 guidance Specific sections I'd refer to would be 9.12 Which relates to each responsible authority will be an expert in their respective field The second At 9.37 of this 182 guidance, which says as a matter of practice Licensing authorities should seek to focus the hearing on the steps considered appropriate To promote the particular licensing objective or objectives That have given rise to the specific representation and avoid strain into undisputed areas I appreciate Councillor and Chair that we'll be moving on to the representations at some point But the difficulty with this application is that where we have agreed those conditions Especially with the police They are thorough There are a number of them And they will serve to ensure that the licensing objectives aren't undermined The difficulty with the representations that have been made by local residents Is they are speculative Unfortunately there is no evidence to back up Okay, carry on Carry on please Well there isn't any evidence to back it up If we look at the relevant case law involved in that It's Thwaites versus Wirral Council And that was an application for a review of a premises license Which was based on neighbours complaining about a certain premises It went to the Magistrates Court which supported the licensing committee's decision And it went to the Crown Court When it went to the higher courts The courts determined that actually any decisions of a licensing subcommittee Should be based on evidence And they can't be based on speculative representations With the representations While I appreciate there are concerns in the area The hours have been amended to prevent any sort of late night issues at the premises The premises itself Whilst it will serve alcohol While ceded ancillary to food It is modest I think if you have a look at the plans attached to the application There is only a small seating area This premises seeks to enhance the community rather than Cause any issues The applicant is keen to start trading There's been some delay since the application was made in November Which has caused issues with the landlord They are Still determined And if you're minded to grant the application to Participate in any Hubwatch schemes Any local initiatives Anything to prevent ASB I think having a premises that's well run And in an area like this will only Seek to deter any persons who are mentioned within the representations That may be causing issues within the area But ultimately the premises hasn't opened yet So whilst there may be issues within the area They can't be attributed to a premises which hasn't begun trading yet I think at this stage I'm happy to take any questions Brilliant thank you Mr Daly Committee I'll throw over to you first Can I pick off Councillor Gardner? Okay I'll kick off Very simple one Just for the avoidance of doubts You are saying that our licensing department is happy with all the condition You have accepted all the conditions that they have put forward And you've said the police are happy also with what you're presented Can you confirm that? Yes You have Okay that's all Councillor Nye Hi yeah I'd just like to ask a bit about your dispersal plans And how you would be enforcing new licensing I don't know if that's something you've discussed with the applicant Or had a lot of thought about With this application and any application in fact So part of what I'll always do is You'll see there's conditions there Conditions related to training policies etc So I believe that all the training should be free There's no additional charge It's all available on the website We operate a kind of a train the trainer scheme So if you were to have a look at the website I can send you a link later on There's a free training section Staff will be issued a sort of a training manual Which will include all sorts of elements Safeguard and crime scenes What we'll do with this premises is include a dispersal policy I think it's going to have to be a dynamic document Because given the nature of the premises It's not going to be the sort of premises Whereby there will be a huge congregation of people And then suddenly when we stop serving alcohol They're all going to go out in the street The expected trade within this premises It's just going to be continuous over the day So in relation to dispersal at the premises We expect that most patrons will simply come in Eat and go or leave with a takeaway meal in a bag If there is any issues around congregation outside the premises Be they from patrons or non-patrons We can certainly tweak the dispersal policy But we don't really have any major concerns at this point Thanks Thank you again I think I kind of just want to come at that point a little bit But I think you've kind of answered some of it there Mr Daly And I think it's really welcome that the agreed conditions have been met Within the police licensing So but it was just kind of on that note of You know loitering Say if I've been at the Hope and Anchor And then decide to kind of pop over And I'm determined to have a bagel And that could be one of the issues that maybe have been referred to with Representations again all completely speculated living We don't know if it's in the pipeline but I just wondered Yeah with the dispersal policy if that has been thought of To then be included just to be preventative basically And to have that kind of in mind Yeah and we certainly can do I think looking at the where we've reduced our hours now We'll probably be closed before the Hope's closed So it shouldn't hopefully fingers crossed won't be an issue If you're minded to grant the application But obviously we can we can work with The applicant to ensure it's not Yeah and a question if I may just directly to Miss Tulloch I mean I just wondered do you like how much well do you know Aker Lane Are you familiar with the area? Not that that's specifically a Yeah no I've grown up in Lambeth I've grown up in Brixton My daughter's father used to live on Aker Lane So I know the area extremely well Families from not directly from Aker Lane but as I said Lambeth Interesting thank you So I'm aware of the worries and that's not something that I want to bring to the area Or add on or it's my worst nightmare if I'm totally honest It's not something that I want and it's something that we've been discussing And talking about it quite thoroughly And as Mr Daly said any precaution or any training or anything that can help That not happen that's what I'm here for Thank you Miss Tulloch Are there any other questions comments to either Miss Tulloch or directly to Mr Daly And then Sorry We're not going to deliberation just yet So I think you'll get a kind of right reply I think Mr Daly But unless you wanted to comment on some of those points there It was it was only about that and just the support that I'm happy to give Ashaka So my background's in I used to run pubs when I first came over to the country As you can tell from my accent I'm not a Lambeth resident originally And I don't live around the area but I've got a background in managing premises I worked for the Metropolitan Police as a licensing officer in five different boroughs And also on the central licensing team which deals with policy and planning So we conducted audits of licensed premises all across London I've also worked as a local authority licensing officer So I understand the pain that Mr Richards may feel sometimes But genuinely I mean we've been in contact with me and Ashaka for a good time It's not the case that I'm just going to disappear and she gets the license And then I'm not here to help her I'm quite happy if she's got any issues you can just drop me a message Everything's there and keep supporting her through her journey Thank you for that So interested parties we would move on to next However I can't see that they are here So with that in mind I suppose before we go off to deliberate Yeah, is that correct? Yep, unless there was any other kind of comments, questions From either of yourselves Right, well hold fire, pop the kettle on And we'll probably be back at an undisclosed time Thanks very much everyone, we'll be not too long Thank you Hi everybody Just checking I've got my team here And both applicant and representation are here Yes, everyone's here so you can proceed when you're ready Thank you Pretty, I was just waiting for you to put your camera on Lovely, thank you Okay, so having considered the application and heard from the applicants and agents Members of the licensing subcommittee have resolved to grant the application with the agreed conditions Settled with Lambeth licensing Members are satisfied that the imposition of the agreed conditions are appropriate in promoting the licensing objectives So with that we say thank you very much to you both And yeah, all the best and thanks for this afternoon Thank you Thank you Thank you Take care, bye bye Bye bye Bye bye Okay, moving on to the second application for the afternoon I believe, Justin, are you introducing this one? Good afternoon Chair, that's correct? Yep Thank you Brilliant, excellent Good afternoon Up to you Thank you Chair, good afternoon all My name is Justin Atkinson Currently employed by Lambeth Council as a licensing officer And a case officer for this application I'm here to present to you today a case relating to a very other premises license application Submitted by La Tereza Clapham Limited And represented by Jose Manuel Rocha, who is their agent The application was validated on the 15th of December 2024 The end of consultation occurred on the 12th of January 2025 During the statute 28 day consultation period Two representations were received in response to the application The first was from the licensed authority And the second was from the public protection environmental health team Both in their capacity as responsible authorities These representations made in the corners with the licensing act 2003 Which included the prevention of public nuisance And the prevention of common disorder Are the two of the four licensing objectives that were of concern The licensing authority's representation raised concerns about the proposed operating hours Which exceeded the recommended times outlined in the council's licensing policy The policy indicates that extending hours beyond the recommended times Could potentially conflict with its aim to promote a balanced approach to late night activities While mitigating negative impacts on the community The public protection environmental health officers' representations further emphasized concerns About public nuisance citing the risk of increased noise and disruptions by nearby residents Particularly during non-social hours Following on from the end of consultation further discussions took place amongst responsible authorities In doing so public protection environmental health Formally withdrew the representation on the 6th of March 2025 And this was shared amongst all interested parties on the 7th of March 2025 In attendance here today as a represents a representative for this application on behalf of the Tereza Clapping Limited is Jose Manuel Rocha And the remaining representation received against this application on behalf of the license authority The officer representing the responsible license authority who is in attendance today is Paul Richards In this application They are seeking to amend and vary the current Lifestyle activities which are live music, recording music, performance and dance, late night refreshments and sale by retail of alcohol The variation is seeking to increase the hours on Thursday, Friday and Saturday by one hour from 1am till 2am The full report can be found under items B page 49 to 102 in the public report pack The summary report can be found on page 49 to 53 The application can be found on page 57 to 76 Representations against the application can be found on pages 77 to 80 And during the consultation conditions were agreed amongst RAs and can be found on pages 81 to 85 Subsequently these conditions were updated and as mentioned previously was Submitted to all interested parties on the 7th of March 2025 The current premises license can be found on pages 87 to 100 And the map of the premises can be found on pages 101 This is the end of my introduction if you have any questions please do not hesitate to ask Thanks Justin anything from either Emma or Adrian at this stage? So I just want to confirm I know we you mentioned Justin there's the licensee in attendance today Because we didn't have confirmation and I saw someone sat next to Mr Rocher so I just wanted to have that clarified So I did ask Mr Rocher if the licensee was attending um and he did uh and I said if he was attending please can you send me his contact details and I think Jose Manuel recently his own contact details so Manuel could you just confirm is this the licensee and Mr Lewis is next to me Mr Lewis Thank you I can also confirm that the licensee and DPS is the new licensee and DPS since November 2024 and has no affiliation to the previous license that had lapsed Thank you Justin okay um without no further ado for comments uh Mr Rocher um come up to yourself uh to introduce the application you've got up to five minutes Thank you very much the counsellors and everybody in the panel um so we the the terraza uh is uh it's been here in Clapham for a few years now is um is a restaurant the spanish restaurant with entertainment um and the reason we apply for us we apply for this variation uh because we would like to keep the hours as we had before and activities now they they lost the license last year during the I think in October do the technical errors because they pay somebody to do the license transfer because from one company to another and and that that transfer wasn't done properly they submit the wrong paperwork so because of that they lost the license we had to start everything again so we applied for a new license I think in October November uh was granted and no at the time no objections from neighbors and from the authorities uh and we applied for one o'clock in the morning um sale of alcohol and relevant entertainment now because that some customers they get used to they used to to stay until longer especially Fridays and Saturday this is why we apply for a variation to keep the same hours we as before on the previous license and nothing nothing else um when we submit this premise license variation we didn't have any representation from the neighbors but we had meetings and discussions with the mr justin and mr the environmental health officer the noise officer he visit the premises he recommend us to create a lobby on the entrance outside and he also we changed the position of the speakers he recommend that we implement the noise limiter what we did and it's going to be installed tomorrow so we have already physical the the the sound limited so we this is a restaurant with entertainment we are not at this corner nightclub so people come here to eat and then they have fun they have dancing we apply for thursday fridays and saturdays to be honest the best day for us is has been always is saturdays and saturdays so we don't mind to keep it friday and saturday and remove the thursday and see if the committee would like to is keen to grant the license but fridays and saturday special saturday that hour from one o'clock in the morning until two make a big difference for the business because what's happening now is people uh the when they finish the clap of my street we are parallel to the clap of my street they move and they go to another place to to have fun and have some drinks and we lose that that trade and to be honest as you know as restaurants suffer a lot at the moment for many many reasons i don't need to mention because everybody is aware of that uh we need to keep the business running we need to keep the jobs we need to keep the street with customers and people enjoying the times and otherwise we end up uh with empty shops empty streets unemployment and this creates a lot of pressure to everybody as you know uh but uh so that is what i need to say uh i think the conditions we suggested said he also the proposed we accept so he's kept a couple of things extra that was uh previous within dev on the license and um so it's i don't for now i don't have nothing to say any questions please let me know thank you thank you mr roger i'm sure there'll definitely be a few questions but it was a really firm and uh introduction so thanks very much for that um i'll refer to the panel of um who wants to kick off shall i cancel and i shall i come to you on the first with this one sure my question is the same as it was to the last um applicant actually how um are you going to organize your dispersal policy please so we're gonna we're gonna implement a dispersal policy um that is to be agreed by the police and the license team uh i think i sent i don't know i'm not sure if i already sent to mr justin the the draft of the policy i think maybe he can confirm um that we did already for some some customers and the dispersal policy so we implement some some measures to to protect the noise and the noise people as an example they they'll they'll be is they leave the premise in small groups there's always somebody always outside asking customers to respect the neighbors and we have agreements with local minicabs and we have like i don't have here in writing but in in writing but it's the kind of things that usually we submit to the police and the the licensee officer and they approve or they can have a few more informations if they want that will be the dispersal policy apart from the signers of course they have outside inside asking customers to um to to respect their neighbors we have a limit for numbers of people smoking outside and that is what is important for us in terms of the dispersal policy okay thank you um any other questions i've got a few but i think i i'll offer it to the panel first before i dive in um councillor garden you're on mute i'm afraid you're on mute councillor garden i know that i know that i'm sorry i'm no longer on mute you're not um there were 19 uh noise complaints uh between 2022 and 24 can you tell me if there were any of those took place after november last year i.e when you took over the so as you and i don't complain for you in november no no no the all these complaints is related with the previous company and the previous management um nothing to do since we have a new license to be honest that was that was the point of the question thank you for that answer good uh second one is um by accepting conditions 30 31 32 33 and 34 you've satisfied licensing on all the things they've asked for including a safe space uh the only objection is that you've intimated yourself is the thursday is beyond the recommended uh times you're wanting to change from 12 till two you intimated that you might sacrifice that a bit would you be saying 12 would you change the 12 to one or even to 12.

1. yes on on a thursday we will keep the same as we we have at the moment um and we'll keep the variation for fridays and saturdays because to be honest we don't want to create a pressure when there is no need it we really want to apply for the days we really need it and we decide to which is right yeah excellent i think you've taken the wind out of my sails uh for the moment no further questions thank you thank you um so i suppose i'd just like to hear a little bit more on the business model like i know you've just alert alert to mr roger in the sense that you know clapham's a busy area and uh it's it's when we've seen in the conditions that there's no vertical drinking and so i just kind of want to hear a little bit more about then the variation in terms of the live music uh you know you mentioned i think dancing as well or something so i just would like to get walk walk me through as if i'm there okay uh i'm gonna try to do my best um usually what's happening here in this type of restaurant um when this is a spanish restaurant and we have a dj on weekends not like we have only we don't have live music so this is one of the things we spoke with a license team and mr justin and the environment hockey said so we we don't have this live music but people we have a dj we have a cd player and what's happening with this type of restaurants is a tapas bar restaurant when people come to this place especially weekends they they remind a little bit holidays you know so they want to dinner enjoy birthday party and they see if they could listening they could dancing a little bit they'll be fantastic because it's two in one um and uh of course uh because we is we are not like a barrel a typical bar of pub where people can drink without it now we want to sell our food we have a fantastic food we have fantastic players fantastic tapas calamari muscles but at the end we have sangria people like to to dance listening a little bit music because for the point of view of customer they like to stay in the same place they don't like to move around because uh is they don't they don't want problems they they know it's here is a safe place this is a fantastic area and uh it's a lot of local people coming here and this is kind of setup of business we we want to keep it and we we will be satisfied we'll be fantastic if we could have extension until fridays and saturdays for two o'clock because one extra hour but but that is the the model i don't know see if you know they see if you know the business but some local counselors they they are local and they know for one reason or another maybe when they come here for a dinner party uh but yeah that that is the idea of the the the the how how this work in terms of restaurant is restaurant with music and give a little bit of boost to people when they getting upset because of the weather when they came here they for a moment for a couple of hours they think yeah they are in ibiza or in spain or costa del maro i'm from portugal so i miss the sun i miss the sea and uh and when i come to these places at least for one hour or two i'm happy then come back again the next day there is another there's another day thank you mr roca so um i mean yeah no declaration of interest but you mentioned about knowing the air i know very well so i'm obviously clapham resident i'm uh although this is in clapham east i'm other side of the tracks but somewhere i know very well indeed and i know how busy clapham high street gets uh on a friday and saturday night so there was two points i kind of wanted to raise because of how busy it gets i don't know if yeah your colleague your uh uh colleague there is aware of uh something that happens in in clapham every friday evening which is called the friday night briefing that's run by this is clapham and that's trying to get the businesses working together to be sharing intelligence or even working with her about the prevention of some of the licensing objectives i just wanted to kind of flag that if you knew about that and if so would they be interested in at least that sending a representative from that to be at that meeting every friday that will be interesting to us to join in we like that because we want to know exactly um it's important for for the area and for the residents and for the business that everybody knows what is the problems in the area uh with a few years ago was was very powerful the pub watch but the pub watch because pubs have been closing down unfortunately um the pub watch lost the power and then start to change for uh crime reduction partnerships or um local associations that after covid also slow down a bit because ideally license in all the country from newcastle to brighton to newkey and this incredible all so i think now we see again the interest in certain areas to get this boost again and create this associations what i think is very important for people to join or the manager or the and to join them so we are more than happy to participate because given your location of the high street it's obviously very different somewhere else but as you said it's all kind of linked up as people maneuver but um and then the other concern that kind of linking in from that is i'm not sure i kind of heard um from the dispersal policy um or kind of going through the conditions of crowd control and how are you going to manage your you know that crowd outside we we're going to employ door supervisors uh so here a lot of people they do uh booking doesn't it say though that you would do a risk assessment about that would you not like to firm up that condition that you would have yes we don't mind to to to add that condition but we always this restaurant is people normally they book for uh to coming here and eat because on on the weekend could be busy and people knows that uh that's if they don't have a table and people when they come here they don't eat in 15 minutes they stay uh and to avoid disappointments we incentivate people do the booking and then we with the booking we know exactly so that we don't expect people queuing outside waiting to be in and to to come out to come in um and that is one of the things that um it's a difference between the disco disco is go or a nightclub and we're waiting for the for the doorman to look at us and see if recognize us that does it probably it's it's like you said louise it's a lot of families coming to um people who knows each other so we have a little bit of this problem uh avoid that problem but so there's no outdoor smoking area uh there is outdoor smoking area for eight people that is what we agree on the conditions yeah okay but sorry but was that i think you just kind of referred to but i don't know we quickly passed it that you said you would be privy to have si a staff on yes yes rather than the risk okay yeah okay well i think that was it for me pretty much i think unless there was any other kind of question from colleagues councillor garden it's only what you've just been saying um condition 32 talks about a dispersal policy shall be drawn up in agreement with the police licensing team and licensing service so licensing has got to be happy with the uh dispersal policy you draw up um and information to be included but not limited to a minimum of excess i approved door supervisors welfare intoxication i mean i think everything you're alluding to licensing can ensure are in the agreed dispersal policy within what's already there you need yeah yeah yes yes you know it's good okay that's it yeah nothing further yeah so if you were looking to mr roger to confirm not me yeah no i was looking at mr roger to see if he nodded and it looked as if he nodded yes okay lovely um councillor nye one final question for me which is just obviously there's a relationship between the people who held the license and the new license um what uh involvement did the applicant have in running the business was could you just talk through what the this the the with the new license the the new company so one of the the person who was managed a place was on the front was a gentleman called manolo it was a spanish guy he left the company they closed the company and louis was another partner uh and that partner is now is he owns the company and uh he's a new manager so it's uh the the previous one he left already so i think he's in spain in vigo or coruña or something enjoy the weather yeah i think it was just clarification though what his relationship was in that business so you mentioned he was a partner in it but yes yeah yeah yeah yeah okay um okay um i think that's all from the committee in terms of questions i think now we turn to our interested parties and we come over to mr richards on behalf of the licensing authority um thank you chair um i think it was it was my representation or the licensing representation was um explained in detail by my colleague justin in the in the opening presentation um and as you can see um we have been in negotiation with mr russia who i would say it's been very complimentary in getting this application through um agreeing the conditions etc and also taking on the final condition condition 34 um agreeing for the premises to be used as a safe space which is something the licensing authority and lambeth are championing on um and we are probably uk's leading on safeguarding within the nighttime economy now again i say thank you mr russia um just looking over our notes and our conversations just one aspect one aspect and probably ox uh inquire about is is the outside space because of our representation our representation had concerns about um public nuisance noise and unfortunately or fortunately our colleagues within the noise team has withdrawn their application as they feel satisfied which basically we sort of weakens my representation on that because they are the primary authority but probably could you explain to the panel or give you explain to the panel the outside area there are seats how you gonna how you gonna manage that um you spoke about number of smokers outside yeah is that going to be within that forecourt or that sort of uh decking area uh we have we have a a few settings outside uh this outside is slightly covered um of course if it's raining a lot or this cold weather people are not keen to go outside to stay longer unless we have sitting but we what we agree with uh mr maxwell the from the noise team uh dho is to create a second a first or a second door where we gonna limit the the volume of sound that would come out from the from the the facilities uh and give a little bit more privacy for people who sit outside but yeah the the we have how many people sitting outside and the the yes 20 25 uh 25 people but usually to be honest the people outside the experience we have we have good weather allow us on the night maybe one month a year and that's it that allow people to stay sitting down outside but usually because we we prefer people go inside to eat and save us uh a waiter save us wages and we run the place but with this in terms noise steam in terms of noise there's this lobby that we're going to create but going to help a lot in terms of the the noise go from inside to outside no okay thank you that yeah because i saw that um the internal doors it's more the managing the patrons outside uh the summer months as you said you've got 20 20 seats outside it's just yeah we don't the people are not allowed to stand up and drink so they need to sit down and eat to have a meal so when it's full is full so it's nothing we can do now but um see if it's uh it's it's more in the summer but you know i don't know if there is any condition in terms of times we don't think that we're gonna serve people outside and keep people outside unless for smoking after certain midnight or something so to avoid i think that's kind of what we're trying to get a hint from you from mr roger is i think we need to have some assurances on the timing on that really how you're gonna so is there something that you could suggest so yeah i can suggest what midnight is okay for outside midnight and we can see if we put midnight as a limit because i think we didn't discuss probably 11 p.m i think 11 okay we'll be fine for 11 o'clock yeah we'll be fine for us it's not a problem that's okay the people go yeah but it's more for people go outside smoking then stay outside it's very rare people sitting outside to eat and drink no it's uh see if this was the the weather allowed us that will be a different but at the moment 11 o'clock will be fine it's been quite nice recently but maybe not now you know not just outside but okay was that justin did you want to continue i mean paul did you want to continue no i mean thank you uh mr russia i mean that was what i was sort of alluding to is looking at a condition for the outside space um you know as i say if obviously as explained to you our representation was submitted because you are exceeding the guidance of the policy i understand and and we have to submit our objection to it because it would undermine if we if we don't but i say as the noise team has have withdrawn um because they feel assured that the public nuisance and the anti-social behavior is is addressed in what measures you're going to be put in um i say the only aspect i've got is the policy and that's to the panel to decide but thank you for your negotiations in this application thank you were there any questions or comments at paul at this stage nope right well i mean uh mr russia you can address the committee again i did have another question i want to come back in uh but i think i'll kind of um which is a bit of clarification really so justin i mean we did hear that the we know we've got the no vertical drinking condition however there was a mention of dancing and i'm just trying to have this clarification of how's that going to be enforced is like about people being then being and is there going to be like a dance floor area or something so i'm just trying to get it clear in my head to make sure we haven't missed something off here so yeah can i can i can i say something yeah um so the people who uh we have what we do is people are sitting and there is no people coming in only for dancing so people are drinking so people need to be inside the restaurant it's and then they can join near the bar is the people dancing here near the bar we have plenty of space where people can dancing uh we have an area where we put the dj uh without affect people so we don't need to remove tables and all the tables for people dancing that that where they're going to keep the drinks now the drinks see if they eat it they have the drink they have the meal then they join in not everybody but not everybody want to dance but uh maybe some people in a group of six maybe two or three want to dance three or maybe not so we have a small area that where people can dance but um we don't have people coming inside only for dancing so if they want to dancing they they go to another place this one don't attract the it was just that clarification of so no tables no tables are removed no seatings removed it's all it's just yeah we move because there's plenty of spaces we have now we move a little bit the tables uh yeah and then create the area for people to dance and that's it okay thank you for that um to ml adrian do you have any questions at this stage i'd better have just a bit of clarification did you end up saying friday saturday still two thursday 12. uh it's uh thursday will be the same as it is at the moment so it's only friday and saturday that we would like to extend yeah well that that was 12 yeah because friday and saturday had been one but thursday had been 12. so okay it's 12 thursday friday saturday two yeah i'm now looking at paul to nod or just okay gotcha thank you okay um but mr russia if you want to say something before we go so i would say a big thank you to mr justin and the office and mr paul bill for the professionalism they have dealing with this application i know i know they are under pressure there's a lot of work to do and they're very patient with us and they're very very positive and and that is what i'd like to say thank you thank you very much for that okay team well hold tight and we will be back in due course thank you thank you thanks hello everyone this is jacqueline pennycook from democratic services just to let you know that the committee are going to join the meeting in about a minute or two shouldn't be too long now thank you thank you for waiting for me gang i say gang committee officers and the applicant um jackson if you can confirm that everybody's present correct everybody's present chair thank you okay so the decision is members members of this subcommittee have considered the variation application and have determined to grant the application with the amended hours of licensable activities from 2300 to 200 hours on the friday and saturday and with the 34 agreed conditions settled with lambeth licensing a further condition will be added onto the license all outside tables and chairs should be rendered unusable by 2300 each day members would like to thank the applicant and mr rocher for attending today and we would also encourage the premises to join the friday night briefing which is led by this is clapham which is our local bid which runs at 7 pm every friday at the methodist church also known as the hub and that's that thank you just before just before we draw the meeting to justin that's unusual yes sorry so it's actually every other friday but i can forward the information to um yes but i thought no i thought it was every friday now or something like that apologies yes gosh i thought oh my god you can't change your mind now um all right well thank you everyone and just before i draw the meeting to a close i just want to uh have a noted here for the minutes just to say well of course i want to thank uh one of our exiting committee members councillor garden who is now going to become the mayor of lambeth thank you for being an outstanding member of the committee over the year and i think we'll miss your input uh but i hope you'll be back with us in a year's time i also uh want to have my utmost thanks uh noted down for mr richards who's leaving us at the end of the month brothers um it's been absolutely delightful to work with you uh paul and i'm sure all the team will agree with me i'm sad to see you going but um i hope there'll be a path way back for you at some point but thank you for what you did for life for working with the businesses and all what you did for lambeth so thank you very much no thank you very much for your kind words councillor and um yes thank you and those claps i will miss lambeth i've i've played i think i've had a very exciting role in the nearly three years that i've been here so um and i've met many a people i've sat on many a committees and and been grilled by many a councillors on some of my applications but no thank you very much for your time and your good words and again to mr russia as an applicant um you know it's a pleasure thank you conversing thank you everybody enjoy the rest of you afternoon evening and uh see you next time thank you