Transcript
And now, please welcome to Eastbourne Borough Council cabinet a warm welcome to you all,
and a welcome particularly to Councillor Williams and Councillor Butcher for attending your
first cabinet session in your new roles.
Congratulations once again, and I look forward, as always, to working with you closely as
we look at seafront heritage and cultural strategy going forwards, and indeed, the finances.
So the first item on the agenda is the minutes of the meeting held on the 20th of March.
Are you happy for me to sign them as a true copy?
Thank you.
Any apologies for absence, Simon?
No?
Okay.
The minutes of members' interests.
Any questions by members of the public?
I believe we've got an item on item number 8, sustainable procurement policy from Serena
Stallard, but that's actually item 6, which is the right to address.
Okay.
Lovely.
So there's been no other questions by members of the public, no urgent items of business,
and I've already covered item 6, which is, of course, that Mrs Stallard will be talking
on item number 8.
So before we go to that, let's start with item number 7, which is a social housing regulation
update, and Councillor Diplock.
Thanks very much, Chair.
In a minute, I'll pass over to Oliver Jones, who's going to talk us through some more of
the detail of the report.
This is a really important piece of work.
I'm really pleased that the borough's bringing this forward.
It's definitely to be welcomed, because it improves standards for tenants and improves
participation as well, resulting in increased transparency and engagement.
I'd like to pass my thanks both to Oliver Jones, to Gary Hall and Nicky Wickham and
other members of the team who have worked so hard recently to bring this forward, and
their work with engaging with the tenants we have here.
We did take part in a pilot scheme on this last year, and so it's good to see Eastbourne
again on the front foot of things, and taking steps to improve things for tenants and residents.
So Oliver, I'll pass over to you.
Thanks very much.
Thank you, Councillor, and good evening, everybody.
Yes, this paper induces some important changes to social housing regulation and provides
the regulator social housing with some important new powers.
On the back of the introduction of the Social Housing Regulation Act 2010-23, which came
into force on the 1st of April, just to run through those changes in brief, it introduces
some new objectives to their, consumer objectives to their focus around safety, transparency
and energy efficiency, it strengthens the regulator's enforcement powers, importantly
removes a test called the serious detriment test, which meant that in the old regulatory
world that the regulator had to prove that landlord services were causing serious detriment
to tenants before they launched an investigation and inspection, they no longer have to do
that.
It's extended their powers paving the way for the introduction of four new consumer
standards, which I'll touch on in a moment.
And it really beats up their powers in terms of allowing them to introduce performance
improvement plans, unlimited fines and enforcement notices if regulators failed to comply with
any breach of the standards and also to point advisors to assist with the management of
local authorities, landlord services.
And in the round, it's the biggest change we've seen to social housing regulation in
a decade or so.
In terms of the new consumer standards introduced, there are four standards around safety and
quality, transparency, influence and accountability, the tenancy standard and the neighbourhood
and community standards.
The majority of the changes to scope of the standards are contained in the first two,
so around the safety and quality, and that's really around the health and safety of tenants
at homes and the transparency, influence and accountability standard, which is all about
listening to tenants and making sure that our services are more accountable.
And those changes fall on the back of the inquiries into Grenfell and the tragic death
of Wabbie Schecht, who's the young person that died in a damp and mouldy flat in the
north of England.
The paper goes through each of those standards and introduces the main changes to each, and
in terms of the specific expectations on landlords, they've doubled from 39 in the old regime
to around 60 under the new, so a real, almost doubling of the expectations of landlords'
services.
The remainder of the paper goes on to set out the approach we've been taking to tackling
the challenge set by this new framework.
As Councillor Dipprop mentioned, Eastbourne took part in a pilot inspection, I think it
was October 22, so just beyond last year, and works beyond going since then to work
up our response to the findings of that mock inspection and then to work on some compliance
checking against the new standards which were finally revealed at the end of February this
year.
We've since gone on to develop action plans against each of the standards that were put
in place, the project teams and operators to ensure that work to improve our compliance
against the standards is ongoing.
I think it's fair to say the compliance check showed that we have a good level of service
but that there's room for making sure that we match up against the stronger standards
that have been introduced.
The remainder of the paper sets out some of the accompanying changes to governance that
need to take place to accompany that work and they again are all about making sure that
the services we provide to tenants are accountable and that our involved tenant bodies play a
greater role in managing, tracking performance and being involved in the shaping of our business
plans.
I'll leave it there if that's OK.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Oliver, Peter, is there anything else you'd want to add at this stage?
Just briefly, Chair, thanks very much, thanks to Oliver for talking us through that.
There is a cost to this but it's a worthwhile cost, it's something that can't be avoided.
It's worth noting this isn't being extended to the private rented sector, it's only to
the social housing registered providers.
You can draw your conclusion on that.
I think there's room to extend this kind of thing to the PRS if needs be and I know that
yesterday I would have loved to have gone to the Tenants' Voice Open Day but I couldn't
because of rules around pre-election period but I will go to the next one.
Thanks.
Don't you love perder?
Yeah, absolutely, Peter, thank you for that.
I mean, the comment I wanted to make before handing to any other comments or questions
is with regards to obviously Eastbourne Homes as being our housing provider and obviously
in the past it's been an arm's length organisation and it's now starting that transfer to becoming
back as an in-house or more in-house service with the council.
Obviously we received some funding through Decent Homes Funding and that was very much
of putting our tenants first and the importance of that for good and absolutely justifiable
reasons and it's actually brought millions in investment for those homes and those housings
which I'm delighted about.
Obviously with a lot of that Decent Homes Funding now ceasing or gone it makes more
sense to bring it back again in-house and I'm just wondering how that move may affect
what we're doing through this paper, Oliver or Ian or someone else.
I think it's fair to say that the changes that are being introduced to governance are
twofold.
They're a) to address that transition from EHL to direct management but also to do so
in a way which complies with some of the new requirements of the accountability and transparency
standard.
So it's twofold in that respect.
Thank you, Oliver.
Any other questions or comments from partners around the room?
No.
In which case the recommendations are in the paperwork.
Are you happy for us to approve them as is?
Lovely.
Thank you.
So item number 8 and if I can ask Ms Stalard to come to the tables is with regards to the
sustainable procurement policy and Serena you have three minutes to ask your question.
Thank you.
I beg your pardon?
I beg your pardon?
I'm not asking a question.
You're speaking to three minutes.
No worries.
I'm going to put the speaker device on as well so we can all hear that.
Good evening.
I have little doubt that the draft policy will be approved but it's always worth listening
to the canary in the coal mine which in this instance is me.
There are some laudable aims in this document, notably products to last as long as possible,
no single use plastics, eliminating waste, using local goods and services but I'm not
sure that sustainable applies to much of it.
I've spoken before about electric vehicles with which the council fleet will be replaced
but many seem unaware of the repercussions.
EV production causes some of the worst environmental and human damage imaginable.
Cobalt mining, much of which is done by children, is causing rates of cancer and respiratory
disease to rise exponentially and babies are being born with soft bones, spina bifida and
limb abnormalities.
Mine shafts are liable to frequent collapse with much loss of life but as well as the
loss of a few African children, as I heard a dedicated eco-warrior put it, the environment
is being devastated too with millions of trees cut down in Congo, a critical player in mitigating
climate change, landscapes ravaged, water polluted and crops irretrievably contaminated
by waste and acid from the mines.
We seem to be caught in a familiar cycle of environmental degradation, exploitation and
greed, ironically so that we can virtue signal that we're saving the planet.
This is not sustainable and it's no good saying it's just a stopgap as we'll soon
have hydrogen or something because right now we don't.
Right now we're destroying the environment and thousands of lives.
Perhaps we'll have solar panels and more wind turbines but these provide just a fraction
of the energy we need.
They have environmentally costly production methods and pose as yet insurmountable recycling
problems.
Solar panels are dreadful for biodiversity and wind turbines and no, this is not an urban
myth, kill up to 100,000 birds every year according to the BBC.
And it's just been announced that the government has put aside a billion pounds to mitigate
the adverse effect of wind farms on the RAF's network of early warning radars.
This is not sustainable.
At the same time we have hundreds of homeless people in Eastbourne, cuts in services and
a cost of living crisis.
As a council you are the first and last line of defence for every generation for whatever's
coming.
I understand that orders come from above but this does not mitigate your duty of care to
your constituents.
Science should never be swallowed whole or from one source.
Climate science is a huge subject and until one knows about obliquity and precession,
the Dansgard-Ostra event, urban heat islands, why the hockey stick graph is fraudulent and
above all –
If you can wrap up, please, because that has now been three minutes, if you can finish
your comments.
Sorry.
I've got about 10 seconds left.
Absolutely.
Thank you.
Urban heat islands and why the hockey stick graph is fraudulent and above all the fact
that temperatures rise hundreds of years before CO2, one should probably not be installing
policies which will make life much worse than it is now.
To think that net zero will make our lives better or even save the planet is for the
birds.
Thank you.
Thank you very much for your comments there.
Councillor Murray may wish to respond as the climate lead but before doing so I will ask
Councillor Butcher to introduce the report.
Thank you.
Hi.
Thank you, Chair.
For the purpose of this report, as Peter said earlier, I'd like to thank Hamira and Peter
and everyone else who's worked to put this report together.
I will be passing it over to Peter Jenion to go into the details, if that's okay.
Thank you, Dan.
Thank you.
Good evening.
So, yes, so this report is seeking approval for the sustainable procurement policy which
is the appendix to the report.
So it's worth noting that this policy would apply both to Eastbourne Borough Council and
Lewis District Council and there are three main purposes for doing this policy.
The first would be to align our procurement with both Council's environmental plans, in
particular ambitions to become carbon neutral by 2030.
Also to meet criteria outlined by external climate change assessment organisations such
as the climate action scorecard and all their recommendations are included in this policy.
The third purpose is to incorporate lessons learned during consultation for the policy,
for example around social value, the process of identifying practical projects and monitoring
and reporting on social value.
So we're understanding sustainable procurement as in line with the local government association's
definition which is that it's a process where organisations meet their needs for goods and
services in a way that achieves value for money on a whole life basis in terms of generating
benefits not only to the organisation but also to society and the economy while minimising
damage to the environment.
In other words, it's a multi-passaged approach, it includes environmental, economic and social
factors and that's how we've structured it in the report and there's more detail in the
report which I won't go into at this point, but all those factors should be taken into
account during the procurement process and a key part of delivering it will be the interconnected
way of taking into account those factors but also engaging with communities and contractors
from the outset and during the course of procurement to identify practical opportunities for the
council contracts to add value or to mitigate impacts where they might arise if they're
environmental or economic or social impacts.
So the policy will form an integral part in how the councils evaluate tenders and providers
during its procurement process and the councils will provide procurement, legal and contract
management training where appropriate so officers understand their responsibilities in relation
to this policy when they're purchasing on behalf of the council.
And also in terms of reporting, progress will be reported annually as part of the sustainability
updates so I'll end there for any questions.
Thank you very much Peter.
Dan, is there anything else you'd like to add, not that you have to?
No more really that isn't covered within the report, I would like to stress the importance
that leaving as much as we do have a financial obligation to long-term sustainability is
far more important for the sake of leaving this town, the world in a better place than
we left it for our children and et cetera so I fully support this.
Thank you Dan.
Jim, I don't know if you want to respond to any of the comments made earlier on?
Just raise a couple of points.
In the tragedy front and centre of all the policy that we do within the council so it's
one of the first things that we consider whenever we're doing anything within the council.
Procurement is obviously part of that as well so we are just making sure that this is part
of our policy so that the officers and the members of the public can be aware that we
are taking this extremely seriously like we should be.
Embodied carbon is always an issue.
This is where I keep using the example of the Tesla car.
If we drove the Tesla car for 150,000 miles we still wouldn't pay back the carbon that
it takes to build the car but when it's in the town it's not producing any carbon so
the carbon offsetting is working fine for us here.
The embodied carbon is a problem of the new technologies of that and a number of other
things that we have within everything that we're trying to do at the moment.
Having said that though things are moving forward.
We're looking at ways of recycling solar panels now, looking at ways of recycling wind turbine
wings.
We could recycle AstroTurf so that we can turn that into furniture.
There are solutions on the way and things will get better as they always do with these
new technologies and it's terrible that some of the companies that are doing this are exploiting
third world countries to make their profits above doing it the ethical way.
You mentioned also about the fact that we've got other things that we should be considering
within the town along our homelessness.
Believe me we take that absolutely 100% seriously and everything that we do within the sustainability
part of what we do does not affect that funding.
Everything that we do from within the sustainability area is funded from outside grants or from
working with local community groups.
We have to as a council produce data to report to central government and to the local residents
so we have a couple of officers who do that for us which we share with Lewis so that the
costing for us is very, very minimal, my budget for doing any work for any of this is zero.
We have to find everything that we do from outside sources, outside grants and working
with our local community, but we still must be doing it.
This is such a crucial part of what we should be doing and to back up what Councillor Butcher
said we must leave this town in a better place than when we started.
Any other comments from partners or colleagues?
I think what I wanted to add if I may is the importance of sustainability and indeed procurement
in this.
One of the items is of course economic factors and the fact that as always we're going to
be encouraging small businesses and medium sized businesses and certainly local based
businesses as you were referring to just now, Councillor Murray, to actually be working
with this council in this authority because actually that's how you spread the wealth
around and although our finances are, as I've always said, very difficult and challenging
at the moment where we can, I'd prefer us to be working with local partners who are
employing local residents and local businesses than large multinational firms and that is
something that I know we all share within this room so where possible and where it offers
best value but also best social value which is so important as part of this then that's
where we should be heading towards because our council can act as an economic driver
to the rest of the town and has done with a lot of the activities we're doing such as
the theatres, such as the tourism events, such as hospitality obviously and indeed some
of the new ways of working that we've introduced over the last year such as the Glasshouse
and other venues where we're actually looking at local based companies supporting their
growth and their expansion and improving education and skills for all so I think there's a lot
to commend into this paper and this report and as Dan has done I'd like to thank the
officers who have put this together. With that, unless there's any other comments or queries,
can I ask that we approve the recommendations as laid out in the paper? Thank you very much
everybody. That is the end of cabinet. It's a little bit shorter because of pre-election
rules and various bits and pieces but there'll be a fairly large cabinet report I believe
for July and I look forward to seeing you all then. Thank you very much.
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