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remotely so we have a counselor joining remotely who is a member of committee and also the local member councilor Blackmore who is also on screen and councilor John jollies just arrived no John you you wouldn't you won't be able to vote on this I'm afraid but you didn't make the site visit but if you want to listen then that's fine all right okay so there's nothing really in terms of the the parish notice as I call it other than in the event of an alarm you should evacuate as quickly as possible using the nearest available mount fire exits and congregate on three nesaf green in front of the main guild hall reception okay so we'll start with first item which is apologies for absence and I've got apologies from counselor Steve Joe Jones counselor Fred Roberts counselor Mark Jones I think that's about it oh and counselor John McCusker yeah okay are there any others I'm heard from Donna no so we put counselor Donna Davis down as well as apologies all right so we'll move on to declarations of interest any declarations I should imagine they'd have surfaced before we got back if they had been no okay thank you so we'll start then with the only site visit we had today which is Engle Dean Wednesday Lane offered for the demolition of the existing garages erection of dwelling and formation of new vehicular access this came to committee and we decided to have a site visit to look at the access arrangements particularly and the view of the street scene from the main Chester Road this was the chairs already mentioned that the principal reason for the site visit was the was to look at the access but whilst we're there we did look at the the dwelling in its context so I'll start with the with the issues as they're set out in the report really so from a design and visual impact assessment you'd have seen that the it's it's a relatively sizable gap between the the existing dwelling and all and the the red line pub the dwelling sits quite comfortably or would sit quite comfortably in that gap being of a similar size to the buildings either size of it would reflect the character of those two buildings as well so would would accord with the street scene that the Chester Road frontage and the plan on page 9 also confirms that the existing boundary arrangements would would remain the only minor change would be a pedestrian access onto the footway for for the new the new dwelling in terms of the vehicular access arrangements then what we saw on site is is shown on page 10 and just a recap on that the the boundary wall would be removed and the garages to that which are to the left of those on the on the photograph would be removed right up to the rear of the of the garage the plan and just flipping back the plan on page 8 shows where the parking arrangements would be and essentially the the parking two parking spaces for the existing dwelling would be where the garages are at the moment and then the driveway which would give access to two parking spaces for the proposed dwelling would be whether approximately whether the gap in the wall is at the moment the benefit of the the proposed access arrangement over what's there already is that it would it would deliver a significant improvement to visibility than is existed then is then is the case at the moment and even though there would be a modest increase in traffic as a result of having two dwellings there than than one at present overall the the access arrangements would be would be safer than than is the case at the moment and that's that's sort of confirmed by by the the fact that the highways officer has raised no no objection in terms of overall parking provision then there would be two parking spaces for the proposed dwelling it's two-bedroom dwelling and there would really be an improvement for the parking of the existing dwelling at the moment because that's we we don't count garages as parking spaces in local planning guidance notes 16 and as you've seen the parking area really the driveway that's laid out there at the moment is really only suitable for for one vehicle so the existing dwelling gains an extra space as a result of the the development as well the area in question it's it's not a through road really in terms of a highway it's used primarily by pedestrians other than to give access to to Ingle Dean but the from a pedestrian safety point of view they would benefit as well from the the improved visibility the sufficient space behind this the access is to facilitate turning within within that area and that the sort of the the stub of the the road that you can see on page 10 and there are also as you've seen on site there are also waiting restrictions there so that area really shouldn't ordinarily been used by by other people to park for any significant periods of time so that that area should be free and able to be accessed by by occupiers of the existing and proposed dwelling so on balance overall from a design point of view that the scheme is appropriate and from a an access and highway safety point of view it's appropriate all other issues were covered during the during the previous meeting just from a highway safety point of view I just want to give give the highway officer an opportunity just to come in if there's anything to add to what I've already covered really as well anything you wish to add no nothing to add to that thank you Councillor Blackmore do you want to come in as local member I mean obviously you heard us on site and you you joined us on site is there anything else you want to draw to our attention if I could just very quickly say that the only advantage is to me is going to be to the new residents there it's not going to be any advantage to the pedestrians in fact the children and all the pedestrians are going to have to watch now for cars coming out of that house and the cars that come for picking up children what twice a day are constantly parked on the yellow lines you all know what it's like outside schools the parents have no respect whatsoever that's only my observations but thank you for coming today okay thank you for that okay I'll open it up to members Frank yeah thank you chair what we've seen and heard today I think I'm quite happy to move officers recommendations to grant okay that's seconded before I take open it up for debate yeah David yeah sure yeah but we went they'd say can the officer clarify when you come from the pedestrian crossing on the main road through those bad years is there a small footpath on the left hand side where they exist in the houses a small one change just by five days so the local member mentioned about safety for the children would it be appropriate to put a but my last and super condition put a body of that to stop them walking across the driveway because there is no foot path is sloping afterwards isn't it so in case the child gets knocked over that's the only concern I had but I will support officer recommendation I think I think all that area is is within the adopted highway anyway so it probably wouldn't be appropriate to to put a barrier across although it's a narrow footway to put put a barrier across there and I think in any case that the reason why the highway the highway authority are happy with with this arrangement without any further interventions is because the garage the garages are removed and because the walls are removed that whole frontage is far more open or would be far more open with the development than it is at the moment and I think that that is quite a significant benefit for pedestrians and for vehicle users because pedestrians will have far better sighting of a much earlier of vehicles moving out as an equally drivers would have would be far better sighted of pedestrians so overall the the proposals are far better in terms of that that that pedestrian highway safety than than they are at the moment and for that reason I don't think we need any further interventions and then Brian and then Jeremy thanks thanks for giving me the opportunity to speak to you I'm I'm looking at mr. Phillips have made reference to page 10 and so on and so forth I'm looking at the previous paperwork regards this particular application and I'm aghast to be quite honest with you with the comments as regards the highway officer and the comments that mr. Phillips has just made in relation to highway safety as a result of the site visit today it gives me the opportunity to say one or two things and having witnessed what I witnessed today as regards the school and the traffic involved for the life me I can't understand why people are saying there is no concern to highway visibility so with that chair I will not be supporting the application thank you Brian yes I was pleased to have gone on the site visit because I thought there was a junction off the Chester Road and to see the the metal fence that was there I thought that was a reassurance of such so I think people might have thought it was a waste of time to have gone but I actually benefited from the visit thank you yeah I can only see the benefits and improvements to the site to be honest with the security of backing out and this that and the other so that's why I'm supporting it thank you anyone else want to come in no okay I've only got the one resolution then which is our proposal which is the officers recommendation for grant are there any amendments to that okay so all those in favor of grants please show those against one so that's carried eight votes to one so that's the end of our business for this afternoon thank you very much for attending I'm very grateful to you all for joining us