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Homes and Communities Scrutiny Committee - Monday, 6th January, 2025 7.30 pm
January 6, 2025 View on council website Watch video of meetingTranscript
I am Councillor Jason Jackson, Chair of the committee and I will be chairing tonight's meeting. Please note that we are not expecting a fire alarm test this evening, so if the alarm does sound please do evacuate the building. This meeting is being broadcast live on the council website, however members of the public are unable to participate online. Please do turn on your microphone when speaking and remember to turn it off when you have finished. To make sure that you can be heard, play in the room, I'm sure, we're a small room, a small committee here. Please speak clearly and directly into the microphone. I will start by asking members of the committee and of offices present to introduce themselves, starting from my vice-chair on my right. Councillor Hannah McHugh, Vice-Chair of the committee. Councillor Toby North, St Peter's and Canal Side Ward. Councillor Micah O'Sullivan, Finchery Park Ward. Dean Donaghy, Co-op 2. I'm Councillor Sheila Chapman, I'm the Executive Member for Equalities, Communities and Inclusion. I'm Lorna Hughes, I'm the Interim Assistant Director for Equalities, Community Partnerships and Heritage. Hi, good evening. I'm Elie Dedecker. I'm the Chief Executive of the Bromley-Baba Centre. Good evening, Councillor Angelo Weeks, Executive Member for Community Safety. Councillor Phil Graham, Bunhill Ward. Councillor Alkaichinko, Owner, Lake Upward. Hello, Mike Hall, Assistant Director of Property Services. Good evening, all. My name's Ian Swift, Director of Housing Operations. McGill Gunn, Councillor for Tolham Ward. Thank you. We have apology from Rose. Any other apologies received? No, Chair. Okay, thank you. And there's no statutory member. No, Chair. Declaration of Interest. Are there any interests to declare? Thank you. Previous minute, are we happy to adopt that? Or any issues for me? Happy? Thank you, team. Right. From the Chair's Report. I had a very good Christmas. That's the report that I have. And I think... But we did also have a meeting discussing regarding the evidence gathering for our review topic. To build part of, you know, some of the recommendation and conversation we're having around this. In due period, I think that we're probably going to have a follow-up meeting or a visit planned from that meeting. Reasons for that meeting was mainly to discuss certain aspects of this topic, which we find is more valuable for us to have that conversation from a space where we can have a little more in-depth information and other contractual issues as well. That is not necessarily set for the public meeting assistance. So, yes, that's the report. And I believe we have got a few dates set for us to do a couple of visits for our topic. Now, I will be moving the agenda around a little bit. Rather than going into our main screening review, I will go straight into the quarterly review housing performance report. And that was meant to be preserved by Jed, but I believe Ian is capable and is here to deliver it. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. So, obviously, this is a regular report that you have for each quarter. Quarter three is just finished. Performance continues to improve across most of the performance indicators, especially the tenant satisfaction measures, which, as you know, are a regulatory of social housing, asks us to comply with and provide this information to them. So, there is strong improvements across the board. What I would suggest that we do is run and focus on line by line, that we produce an action improvement plan for the 6th of February meeting, which is only four weeks away, on the ones that we have in lower quartile stroke medium. So, you can clearly see what actions improvements officers are trying to make to improve performance on those few that are in the lower quartile for the tenant satisfaction measures, if that's acceptable with the committee. So, you can clearly see, you can clearly see the perception of residents is the view of the council's improving in terms of overall satisfaction increase from this time last year by 2%. And we need to continue on that agenda of continuous improvements. But, as I say, the ones that are showing signs of where they've not improved, i.e. in lower quartile or medium quartile, we will produce you with an action improvement plan in four weeks for you to view. In terms of the performance in terms of homelessness households in temporary accommodation, as everyone's aware, homelessness crisis continues and is accelerating in the country. There was a 16.3% increase in the last 12 months nationally of people living in temporary accommodation and Islington is mirroring that across the piece. Although we're saying that we have 14.2 people per thousand population, that's considerably below the London average, which is 18.85. Numbers of people sleeping rough have increased. The annual count that was conducted with some members being present at the annual counts at the end of November identified 18 people sleeping rough. However, only two of those had a connection to Islington and they've now been rehoused. But, obviously, the other 16 people need support assistance. It's good that we still do not have families in bed and breakfast accommodation at all and also over six weeks, which is really good for the benefit of the children's education, attainment, health, wellbeing, etc. The repairs improvements hasn't improved. And, again, we'll send you to the first time. We'll produce reports on that. Rent rears have improved slightly. And next time we come to the committee, we'll show you a benchmarking report we've produced comparing ourselves against the London councils. You can clearly see our performance compared to other performance, but in light of the cost of living crisis, you can clearly see people are struggling in our communities because of poverty. And we try to address that sympathetically, but by still collecting the rent. If you'd like to ask me any questions, I'll be very pleased to answer them. Clearly, we need to improve on the complaint section within the report, but there is solid performance across the piece, which shows continued improved performance over the last two years. Happy to answer any questions. Thank you. I would take questions from the committee. I start with Councillor Tobinoff. Thanks. Just two lines. If I could ask for a bit more detail on one on asbestos safety checks. Could you tell us a bit more? I know that the report explains that that's down to absence, but could you explain a bit more about how we're aiming to recover that? And then on fixed first time, yeah, I'd be really welcome a bit more information. Are we getting a report on that separately at a future meeting? On both of those items, you'll get a detailed report on both of those at the February 6th meeting. But if Mike wants to come in and answer any questions on that today. Would that help you? Yeah. Well, you're here now, so we might as well ask. That's fine. Regarding the asbestos work, that's been carried out by the community wealth team, building team. That process is going through. They are at 80%, but it's a rolling program. So by the end of that financial year, that will be 100%. They will be on target. So they are working through that at the moment. But yeah, it's actually a rolling program. It's not the percentage of pass and fails. Does that make sense? It's a bit like the electrical testing. Do you have a follow-up? And then just in terms of first time fixes, how we managed to achieve that target? Great to hear, but I would welcome you a bit more information on that. The first time fixed target. What line is that sound? Excuse me. That's, it's quite close to the bottom of the table, Mike. Oh, okay. So our first time fixed rating is a combined total. So it's with our emergencies included with our routine orders. We aim to have 100% in our EO2 orders and 100% with our U24 orders. There are different ways that are measured. Completion is U24. Attendance is with an EO2. And then our R21 is what we need to be bringing that figure up at the moment to get to that level. So there are different measures on different priorities on that. Thank you. Um, um, Councillor McGill again. Um, yeah, just, sorry, Ian. Does the, um, the figures for those in temporary accommodation include those who've been located outside the borough? That's, that's good. Good to know. Um, I'm sorry. Yep. So 50% of the people in temporary accommodation are in council-owned temporary accommodation in Islington. Um, 45% are in neighbouring boroughs. So like Haringey, uh, Camden, Hackney. Um. Sure. Just, I don't think it's included in the report, but, um, like, uh, installation of our homes. Just wondering, is there an audit coming up on that? Um, I would need to come back with it, because it's more something that it'll be delivered via our capital programme. Um, and there are going to be, uh, audit checks done on our properties that we'll be gathering that information to find out what homes have got the significant, sufficient, uh, installation to their homes. So I can get, come back to you on those, those figures. Thank you. Um, um, Councillor Nichols Sullivan. Um. Question on the as, as best as again. Uh, most of the, uh, as best as as usually, I think the, uh, industry advice is to leave it intact, unless it's absolutely necessary to remove it for fairly obvious reasons. Uh, I assume we keep a, uh, register and a map of, uh, where this asbestos, where we find asbestos and do not remove it, just in case for future reference? Yeah, correct. So, you know, exactly as you said, if asbestos is, is in situ and undamaged, it would remain there. Um, that is recorded, so we have that on our repair system before we go to site. Operatives and officers have the availability to check that. We also, when we're doing our voids, we have an R&D survey, so all of those surveys are inputted into one survey system. So again, that information's there. Um, and if there are any works of removing the asbestos within dwellings, that information's also recorded on one. So that directly comes from that data, the asbestos database also that, that is maintained. Um, I think the only bit to add to that is, you know, if there is asbestos on a property, uh, and we are doing intrusive work, um, yeah, our first step is to be cautious with that. Oops. Oops. Sorry. Is to be cautious with that before we, uh, before we move forward and we'll go down the, the necessary health and safety steps. Uh, and then just a question on the first time fixes. Uh, when you have, when a job requires multiple visits, you can divide it roughly into two. The vast majority are necessary in order to complete the job because that's the nature of the work done. Uh, but there is a certain percentage of them where it's gone back to rectify, uh, mistakes made in the original visit. Uh, and as I understand it, having seen it on your database, you can distinguish between the jobs that are planned over multiple visits and, uh, the jobs that are otherwise have to be done again. Uh, could you provide us with that information? I think I've asked for this in the several times and you don't seem to be able to print the appropriate report off the database, despite the fact that you are recording this information. Uh, yeah, I can, I'll have a check after this to make sure I've got the detail on there, but I can, I can, uh, obtain the information. And final one, uh, complaints, uh, now that we have, uh, complaints, uh, standard, et cetera, I understand that there are fines that the, uh, Housing Ombudsman and the Register of Social Housing can apply if complaints are not dealt with within a, uh, specific time frame work. Has Huntington Council been fined for anything, uh, any of these yet? Yes. The Council has been fined by the Housing Ombudsman, um, for mal-administration, um, in terms of our work. And around about 65% of all of the... Sorry, just one second, Councillor Sullivan, just your mic, please, thank you. Um, 65% of complaints upheld by the Ombudsman relate to repairs, service, and then all of the other relate to housing management and social behaviour in careers, housing allocations, et cetera. Um, the information was available at the last month's meeting in terms of the annual report from the Housing Ombudsman. And I, if memory serves me right, the fines the Council has had over the last 12 months is £93,000. Thank you. Do you have a follow-up question? No? Okay. Um, right. I'll, I'll let you come afterwards. Um, Dean? Just a question. Um, it's not a question, it's more of a statement. I don't usually praise these in the Council much, but your gas safety, fire checks, and water checks... Sorry, Dean. Are you, are you praising Ian or are you praising the Council here? I'm praising the Council. Okay, great. Because of the explosion, the gas explosion, what killed some people over the Christmas period. I'd like to see. I know it's never possible to get 100% all the time, but I think you'd be quite proud of your record here. And I want to make that a note. Water, fire, and your asbestos needs a little bit of work, I'll get that. But praise where praise is due, yeah. Thank you so much for the work of that. Um, Councillor Hanna? Um, thanks. Actually, Ian, you, you touched on my question already relating to complaints. I was going to ask where they are mostly coming from, what the complaints are in relation to. Um, I'm, I'm noting here that repairs are increasingly being completed within timescales. Does that mean that we're seeing a fall in the number of complaints related to repairs? Um, and I have another question after. The complaints, um, across England have increased dramatically. Um, and the housing ombudsman, uh, complaints to them have also increased dramatically. Um, and that's an industry wide. Uh, in relation to complaints concerning, um, across the whole of the housing directorates, continue to increase, um, for various reasons. And that is, could be for many reasons. Um, and the maladministration rate is currently 83% of those findings. Um, which is obviously too high. So we, we've introduced, um, a quarterly audit of all of the complaints to learn from them. And to cascade that information is to be made. And to use every complaint as a learning opportunity to improve services. We're introducing the new structure for housing management. And the plan is, from the 1st of April, use of our residents. Which is not what we've done in the past. Um, thanks. Just, just a follow up on that. Specifically then on repairs. So if 81% non-emergency repairs are happening within 20 days. That's great for 81%. But what kind of timescale are we talking about for the other 19%? Because I think to go from 20 days to actually registering a complaint. That suggests there's quite a big lag there. Thank you, I can take that. Um, I haven't got that exact measurement on that. Um, but, you know, the goal is anything that goes out of that 20 day priority becomes the priority. To ensure that, you know, that becomes the most important job we have. It's, it's one of the big things we've worked on a lot of recent times. Is to, you know, reduce our works in progress. And doing that's let us, you know, see where our, our areas of concern are. And that's, that's brought that completion rate up. But I think that next step is now to, to raise that. And reduce that, that, that time over the 20 day period that you're talking about. Um, I can try and get some figures on that. I know we have more complicated repairs that, you know, involve, you know, the roofing and scaffolding for likes. Or we have issues around leaks and so forth that are going into, to properties due to the, the makeup of our dwellings. Um, that make them a little bit difficult. And they can be, can be tricky to get access at times. Because we need multiple people, multiple residents in their homes. But I can try and get some figures on that. Just to try and give you sort of a, a more accurate picture of how long those, that 90% are taking. Yeah, thank you. I think it would be really helpful for this committee to see that information. Um, one more question if I can. Um, so on antisocial behavior, I know that we've implemented some very effective new tools for reporting, for making it clear to our residents what is antisocial behavior. And so it's, it's not a bad thing to see the numbers going up of, of data and an awareness of the kind of antisocial behavior residents are living with. Um, my question is, how is the case handling and case management taking place? So, um, it's great that we know antisocial behavior is happening. But how many of these cases are being closed? Are they being closed in a timely manner? What, what's that reporting cycle looking like now that we've got these new policies in? Um, the, the service has improved dramatically, um, over the last 12 months in terms of the antisocial behavior work and the strong partnership work between housing operations service and, uh, the service that Councillor Weeks is now responsible for in terms of community safety. Um, and there is effective handovers of those issues. Um, the new structure when it comes in and first of April will help with that because each officer will only have a patch of 550 properties. But at the moment some officers can have a patch of 3000 and the case work administration isn't good. And it is fair to say that we have failed our residents historically because of the current structure, uh, within housing operations. And that is being addressed, um, by the service and Sinem Yannick, the assistant director of housing management has built, um, a new framework, uh, around good neighborhood, which this committee approved, uh, the report and has undertaken detailed case work assessment of our failings. Um, I've noticed recently that the housing ombudsman isn't finding administration anymore, uh, within the antisocial behavior cases. Um, and they're saying that we've may have had a service failure, i.e. not responded quick enough in the past. Uh, and we've paid our complaint the money up front because we didn't respond quick enough. And they're saying that's a service failure, but they're happy with the fact that we've remitted it. So we do need to improve. I think that's the message that I'm trying to say to you. We have a case work management system in place, a frame that the resident wants, no, but we are improving. And if you'd like a report on that, we can produce one for you at the next meeting. Thank you. Um, that's so fair. Yeah. Um, just, it's, it's great that we're, we're, we're answering calls quicker and everything, but we've got, we've still got an issue with, um, ongoing stuff. I mean, on my ward alone, we've got the red brick, the heating goes down on a weekly basis. Sometimes it just feels like that. Um, how are we doing on stuff that we, we, we must be losing a lot of money, going back and repairing the same things over and over and over and over again, or asking our contractors to do the same. It's, it, it can't be saving us any money. Um, so I'd just like to know what we're doing about, when something's coming up constantly, as we've discussed in the past, you know, it gets to the stage where the residents are saying, you know, do something, do something that, that sticks. And it's us who pops it. And then I get on the phone. But, uh, I was just wondering, is there any, any word on that? Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. I can take that. Um, yeah, I think that is one of the frustrating bits that, you know, that we, that we battle with about the repeat visits when things aren't completed, completed, you know, first time around. And it's something that we, again, are really focusing on. Um, those areas of concern, like the red brick, for example, you know, there's a lot of monitoring that goes on with that. We've put systems now in place, you know, if that particular heating system goes down, there is a, there is a hotline on that we can draw to that contractor return. Um, if contractors are being asked to go back, and that's something I think Councillor O'Sullivan was saying, you know, we are looking at, you know, when recalls go out, that we're not being charged for those multiple times. Um, we also like a post-inspecting, you know, 100% of our repair work has been post-inspected, either whether it's a physical inspection, or whether it's a desk inspection, depending on value. But reports can be run on, you know, our high risk, at risk, uh, repairs, like the heating, because it's very, very, you know, high profile thing during the winter months, and puts lots of residents at risk. So, the other things that we really work on at the moment, and, you know, we have reports on those that can show us where they are with the likes of lifts or another one. Those things that have multiple, you know, that can have multiple effects on, on residents, and, uh, and people getting back into their homes. So, um, there is lots of work going on behind the scenes about it. We are bringing contractors in and speaking to them on a monthly basis, where contractors are failing on that. We are bringing them in on a more, uh, regular basis, where some of our roofing contractors, for example, are coming in on weekly meetings at the moment. Um, so, you know, moving forward, there's things we want to see improve, and I think we will get there in time with it. We are aware of it. Thank you. Is that a follow-up question? Yeah. Okay. Um, just, just out of interest, the, the, the, I mean, I could name the, one of the contractors that we call that. No, you wouldn't name it. I won't. Thank you. Um, but what I get told is that they, they come, they fix it, they leave, it goes down, and then they take four hours to get back. Um, because they've only got one van. Um, so, without naming names of contractors, we need, we need to be on top of the contractors. We have been in the past, um, we've had meetings with contractors. I've got to be very careful. That's, um, I would just come in there, just before you come in there, I think it would be good for the committee to just base around this, the sort of, uh, number of visits for the same issue and maybe contract something you can present to us or have for the committee. We would like to see that. No, that's absolutely fine. I think that's along the lines that you're also talking about Councillor S11 about, yeah, those repeat visits. So, yeah, we can, I can speak with the team and get some, some detail on that. That's, that's fine. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm being mindful of, let me, I've got to ask my own questions if the committee don't mind. A question for me. Sure, please. When we first, when I first started being on this committee, we had the contractors come in and talk to us and give us the excuses for certain reasons. Can't we do that again? I think I would, I think the best approach would be for us to see what our offices have got for us. And then we can then from that data be able to then decide on what and who we actually want to get to see here so that we can get accurate. But yes, I'm, I'm, I'm inclined to go the same way again. Thank you. Um. Yeah. Councilor. Yeah. In a report, it's just mentioned about, there has also been a 50% rise in homelessness due to no fault evictions in the past year. And I suppose to combat that one way would be if we extend our register of private landlords, you know, to, I think it's because it's only like certain wards. And I think we need to really combat that problem because I think this is, you know, 50% rise due to no fault evictions. So most of them would be private landlords. I, I, I, I, I let you in committee, but I think the committee does echo this as a piece of work around this. Um, it's ongoing, but, um, Ian, I don't know if you have any latest update. Yes, certainly. The, the reason, uh, landlords are evicting, uh, tenants is because we've seen in Islington a 14% increase in rents, uh, in the private rented sector in the last 12 months, 14% the year before. But yet the local housing allowance rate, which is the rate set by central governments, has not increased for next financial year. So the tenants can no longer afford the rent since the rent has gone up 28% and the housing benefit hasn't gone up. Um, the landlord is now evicting those tenants who are then coming to the council as homeless and then letting it to people who can afford the 28% rent increase. So everything the council tries to do to prevent homelessness, we're doing, uh, but unfortunately the market that we're working in, in Islington is aligned with what the local residents needs are. I wonder regarding the register of private landlords, is it a way we could extend that? Yeah. You know, in, in, in future, maybe. So we, we're certainly working on that with the licensing and et cetera, which Councillor Weekes is, uh, leading on. Um, and we want to report to this meeting in the future, outlining that, that improvement, which we did, I think, two meetings ago. I think you asked for an, uh, an agenda improvement every six months, which we will do for you. Thank you. Um, Councillor Weekes, you're here. Do you, um, I mean, we expect to see the future. Do you have any off the press information on what's been raised? Um, I don't, um, but I'll be happy to come to the next meeting in, in February with a full, um, I'll be happy to come in February, the first one in February. Thank you. Okay. Um, my question, um, Ian, and then we'd, we'd let you go in a little, it's around the number of, um, those are sleeping rough. And I kind of wanted to sort of link that into another, um, um, the mayor of London office as a strict link, which they've been sort of pushing off for people, especially this period where the weather is really, um, it's not, no one should even attend to. Um, but I'm trying to sort of look at, I've seen this in the report several times where it does mention around, um, the closure of the COVID support. I'm, I'm wondering at what point does what's happening moves away from COVID report to actual situation of, uh, of the day. So, um, some good things to mention is that the council for rough sleepers hosted, um, its annual Christmas day lunch for people sleeping rough. Over 140 people attended at the assembly room. And that was done in partnership with streets kitchen, um, and led by the leader of the council of Islington. So that's, that's impressive. Everyone over the festive period, including all of this week, anyone sleeping rough have been offered accommodation support and food, uh, in terms of the emergency severe winter weather protocol. So that's in place outside of the festive period and the cold snap. We offer accommodation to everyone that we identify as sleeping rough in Islington. We have a higher percentage rates than other London councils for getting people off the streets and into permanent accommodation. And that we, we still have that goal to eliminate rough sleeping. We're not achieving it. The council lobbied, um, Councillor Chapman helped to write the letters to the home office to extend the eviction period to 56 days. And we did lead on that, you know, the council was adamant that that needed to change from literally just giving people very little notice where the home office now gives the council and the resident in the two home office hotels 56 days notice and will not evict during, uh, the severe winter weather protocol. So that will help us again to stop people going into the streets. The numbers in Islington go into the streets is dramatically lower than everywhere else in London or the majority of central London, but we need to be better. Thank you. And, um, and I guess you've mentioned sort of that closure of COVID. Is that our surrounding boroughs or the small house get borough? I think we can just remove that from future reports if I'm honest with you. Thank you, Ian. Um, with that, I noticed members of the public are here. I mean, it's a new year. If anyone has a question, I'm happy to accept. No? Thank you. Well, Ian, thank you so much. You are also free to go if you have to. Thank you, Chair. Um, great. Um, let's move to our then main screening review into isolated community centers. I would ask, um, Lono to do the introduction. I know we have a guest as well, and we'll see the presentation, and then I'll come to the members for questions. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. So, over the last couple of months, I know the committee has shown strong interest in looking at community facilities, community centers in other places that are delivered with a different model to what we do here in Islington. So, tonight, I am delighted. It sounds like a television program, but it isn't. I'm delighted to have Ellie Dedecker with us this evening, who is the chief executive of the Bromley by Bow Centre. Um, for those of you who may not have heard of the Bromley by Bow Centre, it is a hub in Tower Hamlets in East London. It has got a national, a local, an international, uh, reputation and recognition for the great work that they do in serving the population, uh, in their local area in Tower Hamlets. So, I must admit, I must admit, I've got a strong personal passion for the Bromley by Bow Centre. Many years ago, I learnt to make stained glass there, and I remember the days of not having the centre some 40 years ago, when we were operating from a dilapidated house as a GP surgery, and they have done amazing work. So, it's a bit of a, a privilege and a pleasure to invite Ellie to present the story of the Bromley by Bow Centre, and to perhaps give you all something to think about when making your recommendations about what a future model of community centres might look like here in Islington. So, I'll hand over to Ellie, and there's, Councillor Chapman, anything else to add? No? I will hand over to Ellie. Thank you. Thank you very much, Lorna, for this introduction, and good evening, everybody. Um, so, I've been with the Bromley by Bow Centre for about three years, but the story of the Bromley by Bow Centre goes back, uh, for 40 years, uh, so we've celebrated our 40th anniversary in, uh, in 2024, so in the last year. And, um, it's really been sort of an organic growth story and an organic development story, which I think is always sort of interesting to, to think about, because obviously you have your sort of portfolio of community centres. as we sort of had the luxury of 40 years of developing, growing, thinking about what we wanted the centre to be. Um, but, but yes, as, uh, Lorna, um, explains, um, we are recognised as quite an innovative model of being a place and a space for a community to come and to be, but then also to really sort of get, um, get support in an integrated and holistic way. Um, and we're also very recognised for the way that we do this in an integrated way with health. We are a charity, um, and I'll tell you a little bit more later on in terms of our funding model and how we connect as well to, to the local authority in Tower Hamlets, which I'm sure, um, you, you would be interested in. Um, I've prepared a couple of slides, um, you might have a printout in your pack, but I'm very happy to sort of, you know, take questions as we go along if that's, uh, what you'd like to do. So please interrupt me if there are sort of things that you would like to know that, um, I'm not talked, I've not talked about, so please sort of, uh, you can make this quite sort of informal and in, um, conversation if that would suit the committee. So, the Bromley-by-Bow Centre. So, as Lorna sort of said, we are a hub for the community in the East London borough of Tower Hamlet. We are what is called sort of place-based organisation. We do have a national and an international reputation, but our real impact for individuals is very, very local. More local, actually, than Tower Hamlets is Bromley-by-Bow. The ward that we're, um, working in is, is, is Bromley-by-Bow. We work with about 5,000 unique individuals every, uh, every year. And over half of them live within one mile of the centre. That just gives you sort of a sense of that sort of, you know, place-based, real sort of deep local connections that we, um, have. Our purpose is quite a broad one. It's basically to enable our community to thrive. And again, we can come back to what that actually means, um, for us and, and, and discuss how you might sort of put some measurement to some of that. So, as I said, our story started 40 years ago. The site, as you sort of pointed out, was completely derelict, um, in those days. The main building, um, so we have a three-acre site. We operate on a three-acre site at the moment. And, you know, one of the things that I should have said, um, in the beginning, it's a real pleasure to meet you here tonight. But I'd be also very delighted to actually meet you in Bromley by Bow, um, at the centre. Because I think there's something hearing me speak about something. But it's really something as well about experiencing and seeing it, um, live. So that is definitely something that we can discuss. But so we operate on a three-acre site. And again, as I said, 40 years ago when it all started, it was pretty much derelict. The main building that stood there at that time was a Victorian church, a URC church. And it's basically the new vicar of that church who really started to think about how to engage differently with the local community. Um, a big sort of milestone. And, again, that sort of development that was very, very organic. So it's not that Andrew Mawson, now Lord Andrew Mawson, who was that vicar 40 years ago, had a very sort of specific plan of what the Bromley by Bow model was going to be. It really sort of happened very organically. Really sort of thinking about the church, not so much as a, um, a space of religion, but a space for the community. Um, a space for the community, inviting people in, understand what was relevant to the local community, offering them opportunity to get together and engage in activities that were relevant to them. The big sort of development of the site happened a few years later, sort of about 25 years ago now. And that was when the sort of site was sort of fundamentally redeveloped. And that's also when a specific health centre was built on the site as well. And, again, we can sort of explore in a bit more detail, um, what that sort of means in practice today. Um, you know, I'm a, I'm an Islington resident. I live, um, up, um, in Tufner Park. But for me, when I joined the Bromley-Barbeau Centre, it was really interesting to really reflect on where we were located. Because, you know, we discussed housing here. I heard you sort of talk about poverty. And I know about the sort of, the stats in Islington. But, again, to our hamlets, you know, when thinking about inequality and poverty, um, in, in Tauva Hamlets is obviously very relevant. And for me, one of the sort of things that I often talk about when I have visitors to the centre is about how the Bromley-Barbeau Centre is really sort of inequality in a very tangible way. Because we are literally in the shadow of Canary Wharf. I can almost touch and feel Canary Wharf. I turn around 180 degrees and I obviously see the development of the Olympic Park. And we're three stops from Liverpool straight. So, Tauva Hamlets' GDP is greater than the one of Greater Manchester. But, obviously, in our ward, in our immediate, um, vicinity, the challenges that our community faces are very similar to the challenges that some of your community members face. So, for me, the Bromley-Barbeau Centre is just really interesting to sort of think about the sort of reality of inequality and what that means for local people who are sort of squashed in between that sort of development, left, right, and centre. And, obviously, it drives a lot of, of how we work and what we do. One of the things that I said, um, at the start is that, um, one of the sort of things that the Bromley-Barbeau Centre is very recognised, is recognised for, is the way that it brings together sort of work, the traditional work of charities around employability, well-being, but then specifically with health. And that is built on a sort of theory that you might have heard of called, you know, the social determinants of health. And there is now a wealth of evidence that basically highlights that many people, when they go to the GP, the underlying reasons actually are not medical. People in our type of areas, up to 80% of them, when they go to the GP, the issue that needs addressing is not medical, that has much more to do with the social determinants, which have to do with poverty, stress, financial distress, etc., etc. And, again, that's what we're really trying to do in the Bromley-Barbeau Centre, and that's why the connection with health is such an important one for us, rather than having the GPs, when people have these sort of underlying issues, sort of address what the patient is coming to see them for with a medical solution. If the actual problem has much more to do with financial stresses, well, why don't we then help that person to address some of those concerns? So that's really fundamentally what the model of the Bromley-Barbeau Centre is all about, is understanding a person as a whole, understand that there's all these connections, physical health, mental well-being are completely interconnected, and then, obviously, the social determinants, again, are very relevant as well. So it's really understanding the connections between all of these factors and addressing all of these factors. Does that make sense? So, I'm not going to go through this in detail, but, again, some of the sort of statistics, some of the numbers around our community that highlight some of the sort of challenges that I mentioned, which then sort of lead to some stats that describe the health profile of our community. And in our local community, what we see is that people, you know, I'm sure that you've had conversations in various committees about the sort of the evolution of health in our local communities, especially disadvantaged communities. We know that the gap between rich and poor in terms of life expectancy has increased over the last 10 years, and we see that very strongly in our local community as well. We also see that the healthy life expectancy, that the gap has increased as well, between the better off members of the community and the more disadvantaged members of the community. And we see that, again, and we see that, again, very strongly in our local stats as well. People get sicker earlier. So, what is very sort of unusual in our community is that women tend to have worse health outcomes than men, which is quite counterintuitive if you sort of look at the national stats. So, again, that sort of connection between poverty, the sort of the social determinants, and then the actual health figures, which, again, you might recognize from some of the stats that you see here in Islington. So, then our model, what are we about? So, first of all, we offer the community a place and a space to come, to connect, and to be. Again, I've shown you the sort of pictures in terms of where the Bromley-Barbeau Centre is located, Tower Hamlets, where we are, as densely populated as you can get in London, and with the big sort of A12, not a lot of space for people to actually come and be and connect. And that's really what we offer. Again, our three-acre site, where the park, is a sort of vital, absolutely vital resource for the local community. And this is something that I've really experienced myself in the last three years, how important it is for people to have a place that they feel comfortable, where they feel that they can go, where they feel welcome. And they don't have to have a reason to come. You know, we have an open door. If people just want to come to our cafe and hang out, that's absolutely fine. We are, that open door policy, I think, is very, very important. Given that we've been in the same location for 40 years, we do have that sort of strong local connection and that strong relationship with the local community. People know us, people trust us, and that, I think, helps everything, of course, that we're trying to do. But, yeah, I think it's, I've really experienced the importance of that sort of openness, that welcoming place where people can just come and be and together. And we organise community events every year, very, you know, a few a year, but a really big one every summer. And the one that we had planned for this year was on the 7th of August. That was in the middle of the racist riots that were going on up in the end of the country. And it was the day that there was all these rumours about things happening in Walthamstow, so not too far from where we are. So we obviously had to have the conversation. Is it wise to have that community event? Is it safe? Would people feel safe to come? We decided to go ahead. And we were so pleased that we actually did. We had over 600 people coming together that particular day. And you could really see how it was such an important thing for the community to sort of have that place where different members of the community could come together and feel connected, really. So, for me, that's a really important element. And another important element to that that I would highlight is that we don't see this space as being our space. It's clearly a space for the community, which also means that if the community needs a place to do something that they want to do, take the initiative, we're absolutely open to that. We're there to support. But it feels like it's their space much more than it's our space. And I think, again, that's sort of quite an important aspect of that. So, the space and the way that the community feel about the space gives us then the opportunity to build very strong relationships and for the community to trust us, which then puts us in a very good position to offer support as and when individuals need it. I've highlighted some of the stats around poverty and unemployment and literacy, et cetera. And, obviously, these are then concerns that we can help people with. We do it in as integrated a way as possible and as person-centered as possible. So, we don't try to sort of impose, but try to be there when people want to open up and ask for support. What we're trying to do as well is just sort of have what we call sort of person-centered conversation. So, it might be that somebody comes to us because they have a particular concern with an energy bill, for instance, or because of something around their housing. And that's then the sort of conversation that we will start with, but through the relationship that we develop, we might then also find that there are particular concerns with how they access their benefits, that poor language skills, gaps in their digital skills, and then we can start helping them with those other aspects as well. So, the connection with health, so Bromley-Barbeau Centre, we are the charity and some stats about us, but then again, you know, quite unusual still, and I didn't realize how unusual this was when I first joined the Bromley-Barbeau Centre, that co-location with health. So, we're the Bromley-Barbeau Centre, but you have Bromley-Barbeau Health, which is basically a GP partnership operating four GP practices, all of them in the local area, but one on site. And again, if you came to visit, what you'd see is that the two buildings, there's sort of two parts to the building, but the way the sort of site has been developed makes that these buildings are really well in sync, very well connected. So, it's not sort of held to the left and all the other stuff to the right, there's a real natural flow in between those buildings and quite sort of a connectedness between all of that, which I think is, again, is quite important. The Bromley-Barbeau Centre, very often we are visited by architects, people sort of thinking about the development of health spaces because of the way that those buildings were conceived and interact with each other. So, there's sort of also an aspect in terms of design and development of capital buildings. So, and again, you know, you mentioned that you might be interested in the sort of actual layout of the site, so you sort of see all the different sort of elements. I spoke earlier on about the Bromley-Barbeau Centre as sort of a tangible expression of inequality, the presence of inequality. For me, the Bromley-Barbeau Centre, the Bromley-Barbeau model is also a tangible expression of partnership working because it is quite a complex patchwork of organisations coming together to deliver what is the Bromley-Barbeau model. So, as I said, you have the church, that sort of building with the red dot, that is still an active church. That's where 40 years ago the story started. Then you have the charity, you have health, and Tower Hamlets is involved as well because they actually own the grass. We manage it for Tower Hamlets, but it actually belongs to them. So, it's a real sort of patchwork of different organisations. The health centre, the building, is now actually owned by a private developer specialised in development of health buildings. So, that's sort of another piece in the puzzle. So, it is quite sort of a complex puzzle that we're sort of making work for the benefit of the community, really. But that's really, you know, something that I think is quite important to consider as well, how to sort of bring out, bring together different partners to deliver this type of model. Empowerment is absolutely key in the way that we work. So, I mentioned my first slide was about our purpose and enabling. That sort of really runs through everything that we do. And again, I've described how we see the centre as being more owned by the community than by ourselves. That goes to that sort of concept in terms of empowerment. And then the voice of the community really sort of, as I said, not imposing the model and approach, but really sort of engaging with the community and understanding what is relevant to them in terms of what, but also how things get delivered. Measuring our impact, again, I sort of mentioned that our overall purpose of making, you know, enabling our communities to thrive might sound a bit sort of vague. And one of the things that we invested quite a bit of time and money in is to try to sort of give that some more sort of a tangible shape. So, with support of the Health Foundation and some researchers, now eight years ago, we engaged the local community to understand what they felt that meant. You know, what would be a good life in the definition of the community and out of that work came six outcomes, which are then sort of underpinned by a whole series of indicators. And we spent a lot of time in the last sort of three years implementing this outcomes framework across everything that we do so that we can actually give a much more tangible sense of how we're doing against our overall purpose. So, again, if that would be of interest, I'd be very happy to share that in more detail. So, the difference that we make, this is actually from last financial year. We're just putting the final touches on our annual review for the financial year up to July 2024. So, as I said, over 5,000 unique individuals were supported by the Centre in a single year. And this is then the sort of, you know, we can go through stats about, you know, how many, how much debt we helped people resolve, how much benefits we sort of helped people claim that they didn't claim previously, how many people got a certificate. But if you think again about our sort of main purpose, sort of the stats that I think, for me, start going to that sort of community development, really, is that people who supported, reported, and 39% improvement in their overall well-being. So, before and after engagement at the Centre, a significant improvement in their understanding of what's going on in their community and how they feel connected to their community. And then, which I think is the last one, which I think is very powerful as well, is a significant increase in their propensity to support others. And this, if you sort of put those three together, that's when I think you sort of get a sense of community development, really. We do, we support social businesses as well, so we incubate through some partnership with an investment bank, some social enterprises as well, which again, in our community is extremely, extremely relevant. And I've been incredibly impressed, because we've been running this program for 16 years, and we have never, ever not found people to invest in. And every year, we get about 100 applications, and the investors are, you know, they are financially driven, and et cetera, et cetera. So, I've been very, very much impressed by the entrepreneurial spirit that we really see in our local community. And for me, that's a really important angle for us to continue to develop. So, then, in terms of, you know, that's all the good stuff, that's all the nice things to describe. But then, maybe, you know, for discussion, and maybe if you recognize some of these, you know, some of the real, real, real challenges that we are facing, because it's been really, really hard going since I joined. And I know that the COVID years, obviously, were very tough. They were tough everywhere. But I think for communities, such as the one that we're talking about here, particularly tough. And for organizations, such as the Brahmin-Barbeau Centre, particularly tough. So, I'm sure that you've heard this from your local sector as well. An absolute increase in terms of the demand for support and the need, with an absolute, you know, in the other direction, pressure on funding. And, again, what I found really interesting is, obviously, the COVID crisis made things really, really difficult. But the cost-of-living crisis, for me, that's been the real, sort of, hard impact. In terms of need, one of the things, again, that we, sort of, saw was that we hosted a food bank on our premise during COVID. On a weekly basis, about 600 families during the COVID period. When I joined, that was a, sort of, tail end of COVID that had gone down to just about 100, just below 100 families. By February 2022, when, you know, the first, sort of, price increases started, the energy price increases started, that started to go back up. By the summer 2022, we were about 500 a week again. And it's stayed stable since then. So, demand, we do not see demand going down in any shape or form. But the continued pressure on funding, obviously, is very, very real. Challenge two that we are facing is, we do many, many different things. I've given you, sort of, a flavour. We do ESOL classes, digital, employment support, social prescribing, mental health support, our classes. We do an awful lot of things. And we receive no-call funding. So, we have to fundraise for every single little bit of activity that we do. We have, on the P&L, bottom line of about 3 million, or top line of about 3 million, we have about 100 to 140 income streams at any point in time. We want to work in an integrated way because that makes sense for people. As I said, if somebody comes to us because they can't pay their energy bill, chances are that there are underlying reasons why they are not in a position to pay that energy bill. So, we can address the acute symptom of the energy bill. But, obviously, if we really want to help that person and their family in the longer term, we also need to address the underlying issues, the underlying concerns. So, an integrated approach makes obvious sense. Funding does not work that way. Even, sort of, enlightened funders, still, you know, advice is advice. In most cases, energy advice is energy advice. So, if we want to, sort of, implement this integrated approach that I've described, we have to piece it together from various different sources. It makes sense for the type of work that we do to work longer term. Most of the funding that we're getting is two years max. Two years is good. Most of the funding is renewed on an annual basis, if that. Most funding is relatively small, about 20,000 pounds, 30,000 pounds. That's not a person's salary. You know that as well. So, the funding model for the way that we work is really, really challenging. A lot of the conversations that we're having with some organizations are thinking around capital. And I think capital is important. So, I talked about the importance of having those places and the spaces where people feel comfortable. Capital, absolutely important. Revenue, also very important. So, you don't, you can't just think about the building, the site. You need to think about what happens in that site. And, again, very difficult to get people to, sort of, really have conversations to bring those things together. The wrong building with the right activity won't work for the community. But, the right building with nothing in there is also not really going to deliver the impact that you're looking to achieve. So, the funding model, extremely challenging. We, as the Promi Babo Center, we are relatively large for a community-type organization. Again, we're three million pounds. That's not small. I mean, in the sphere of charities, that's, you know, bottom mediums, medium size. But, in terms of community organizations, that's big. But, and, as I said, we have an international reputation. We have literally people from Singapore coming to visit us. Despite that, it's extremely challenging. So, I can only sympathize for the other organizations. You know, we're by no means the only organization who's having those challenges. And then, challenge number three. So, as I said, you know, we really, really, really work very hard to bring together the third sector. That's how we call ourselves, and health. We work very closely with Tower Hamlets as well. But, yeah, it is really still interesting for me to sort of observe how siloed the various sectors still are. So, I think there is more connection starting to happen between our sector and health, but it remains very piecemeal, not really at the strategic level. And, again, I always find it interesting to sort of observe how health and statutory at the various sort of levels are still really having to think proactively about being more connected and more integrated. And, obviously, that is a challenge for an organization like ourselves, for community development, you know, thinking back about what I said about how things really are very connected. So, these are just a couple of the thoughts I wanted to share. I'm happy to explore anything else. Thank you so much. Real in-depth presentation there. I will open up to the committee members for questions. So, yeah, I will start with Councillor Hannan. Wow. Thank you so much. It's really inspiring, really impressive. I'm really taken with all of the different partners and stakeholders you've brought together to be able to give such an empowering and holistic offer. It's almost overwhelming because there's so much here that you're able to do. But I was really interested when you were highlighting this very obvious visual disparity between Canary Wharf and Bromley by Bow. And, actually, in Islington, we don't always have such obvious visual disparity. We have some of the most geographically integrated inequality anywhere in the country. And I think that is a huge driver of why we have some of the highest alcohol addiction and serious mental health concerns in the country. Because the fact of that hidden poverty is such a challenge. And how that challenge manifests when we think about our community centres is how do we then reach the communities who really need this most when that space is so shared? And, actually, this hidden poverty means a lot of families don't want to come forward and they don't want to present themselves to services knowing the lives that their neighbours live quite so well as they do. So, I wanted to ask you a bit more about how you reach the communities in your area. And I think you could rightly point to all the great benefits having this partnership like health brings you. But it would be really helpful, I think, for us to think about what other strategies you use. And then, when you do get that community, how do you make sure the centre is driven by the right parts of the community that really need that empowerment? Thanks. It's a really interesting question. And we're having to sort of think about it almost in the opposite direction because the area is developing a lot. And, again, if you come now, you'll sort of see high-rise buildings sort of popping up left, right and centre. And those buildings, although, obviously, they will have to comply with the sort of new, you know, the laws on percentages of affordable, et cetera, et cetera, a lot of it is definitely way out of the price range of the community as we know it now. So, there's this high-rise building that was just, you know, finished six months ago, just on the opposite side of the A12. And I asked what the sort of, and that sort of two-bedroom flats, and I asked what the sort of monthly rent was, and it was a note of 2,000 pounds. So, that which is obviously completely unaffordable for, you know, all of the members of the community who come to the centre. So, we have to think about it in almost the other way. The first thing that I would say is that when we talk about community, we do talk about community and the whole, because this whole notion of having a space and a place is relevant for all of us, and I think COVID has sort of seen that. And, again, in our community, Islington is quite nice and leafy for people who are sort of stuck there in a high-rise. The fact that there is a nice park is also relevant. So, we're sort of trying to sort of think about community in that sort of broader sense and can see value of some of the aspects of what we do to be open to everybody. Because, you know, again, bringing people together in itself, we think, could be quite relevant. So, I do think that that is important as a basic. Then there are some activities that we run which are based on particular conditions and particular referrals. So, for instance, our social prescribing service is specifically if somebody has been referred by a GP. So, social prescribing is that model, you know, of real sort of collaboration with the GPs. So, that is then the GP who sort of says, no, this person would benefit. And there is a link there, obviously, with some of the social determinants. And our ESOL classes, for instance, are specifically for people who meet certain criteria and so forth. So, for me, it is quite sort of important to stay true to that sort of starting notion of community and all members of the community, you know, that sort of aspect of place and space. And almost seeing that it could be quite beneficial of having different parts of the community coming together. And then having some services and some activities that are then more targeted in the way that they are set up. No, thank you. That's really helpful. I think, just so I can understand fully, you're suggesting that mainly it's really it's referrals to you from, say, the GP and different stakeholders you have already. But I'm curious if you do any specific kinds of outreach as well or anything like that. Yeah, so certain of our activities have referrals and so forth. A lot of it is just people sort of walking in and sort of engagement and so forth and people knowing of us. But again, that is something that we've built up over 40 years. People know in the local community that we have an advice service. People know in the local community that we, you know, help them with their energy bill. So, and if I'm really honest, yes, we do our social media. We do engagement and outreach, word of mouth and some of these things is incredibly powerful, incredibly powerful. But again, it goes back to that sort of core purpose, right? Because I could really understand, you know, limited resources. How do you make sure that they are targeted? But, you know, our model is really that sort of community, which is the broad definition. And then within that, based on that, you then have targeted activities. And, you know, if you keep, and this is, again, that's why the sort of short-term funding, I think, really goes, is a real challenge, right? Because, again, people know and trust us because we've been doing it for a long time. Relationships in a community that takes time to build trust because it is very difficult for people to ask for help. I think, for help, I think people really underestimate how difficult people find it to ask and access help. And, again, you know, that relationship that we have is very, very important in terms of that. Thank you. Thank you so much. Just your mic before. Thank you. I'm Councillor Turbino. Thank you, and thanks for coming and sharing. Really fascinating, and I'm sure there's lots of your excellent practice we'll be able to take forward as part of this scrutiny review as kind of inspiring and best practice for our own provision. Three questions, if I may. Firstly, I'd be really interested to hear, within that statutory income, what the split is between local authority, health, and other sources of statutory income. Secondly, I'd love to hear a little bit more about the outcomes framework and to ask whether you'd be willing to share that with the committee, because I think that would be really interesting for us to consider as to whether that's something we might like to replicate or might inspire us in some way around our recommendations. And then, finally, very aware that you'll be working in a different context in Tower Hamlets with a different local authority, but I'm sure there'll be some valuable learning in terms of what does effective partnership with your local authority look like from your perspective. So, yeah, so the broader definition of statutory income, so our largest income stream is a contract with Tower Hamlets to do social care, so that's the largest amount, single amount per year. But then we have health, again, at various levels, again, I've been there for three years, I still haven't really figured out how health money flows at various sort of levels and different sort of organisations. So, we have some money from the GCN, so we have some money from the GCN, so primary care network, we have some money from the local mental health trust, we have some money from BART, we have some money from the GP care group, which is a local KIC, and working with, so health funding is, wow. So, and then we do have some money from Tower Hamlets as well, and we used to have some DWP money, but as a sub, and that's fallen away, so we're hoping to sort of get that back, given some of the sort of priorities of the new government. So, it is a real patchwork, the conversation that I would like to have, I'm now sort of jumping to your third question, the conversation that I would like to have with the council, which I've tried to have, but, you know, not enough, and with the right people, and in the right strategic forms, is core funding. Because for me, when I sort of think about, you know, the Bromley Barbeau Centre, it's not about me, it's not about our organisation, I mean, I love my staff, but it's not even about them, it's about what we do in the community. And again, 5,500 individuals in our particular area. Most of those individuals will have families, families with older generations, and quite a few kids. So, you can only think about how many people that represents, 50% of them, 50% of them live within one mile of the centre. I can tell you with absolute confidence, if we're not there providing that support, they're not accessing it. I can say that with absolute confidence. So, take us out, and imagine the hole that would be left in that particular ward. So, that's the conversation that I would like to have with the local authority, about some proper core strategic funding. That's the vision, obviously. We're not there at that point, at this point in time, that there's no hook. I don't have the right hook to have that conversation. In terms of outcome framework, absolutely, I'm very happy to sort of send a link. We have some information that is very easily shareable. But, again, I would really sort of, I know that you're very, very busy, but if you ever wanted to come and visit, I'd be very happy to sort of invite the person who is responsible for our impact management to talk to you in more detail. Thank you so much. Councillor McGooghan, can I recommend if members can keep to a maximum of two questions, and then sort of we can, then if we have, we'll come back around. Councillor McGooghan. Yeah, thanks for the presentation. I was interested, I mean, I'll keep looking at this photograph, the Skyview photograph, because, you know, the centre's obviously wedged in between Canary Wharf and the Olympics legacy. And I wonder, particularly the Olympic legacy being so recent, but I was interested, as you mentioned, 40 years ago, because that would have been the time of London Docklands development. And I just wonder, because that, to me, that had a massive impact on the local community in that region. And I just wonder, because I can see the inequalities out of that development in Docklands. And I just, it's great that you've really thrived, the community centres and the health centres thrived. I just want, has there been, I mean, one question would be like, from the Olympic legacy, has there been any funding from that? There's been sort of piecemeal funding, nothing sort of substantial of the like that I'm talking about, because absolutely, you know, you think about Canary Wharf and the Olympic Park, you would have thought that, you know, being involved in the local community is part, you know, we're talking ESG now, et cetera, et cetera, right? That that would be an obvious thing. So there's been sort of opportunities piecemeal, but nothing strategic, fundamental, long term. It's really interesting, because, again, to sort of, you know, your point about sort of how things are integrated here in Islington, and in our particular area, they feel sort of really separate in a certain way. So, you know, the Olympic Park is, what, 15 minute, 20 minute walk from the centre. And I was invited a couple of times to join this board about community engagement. And it's like you're on a different planet. It's literally, you know, there's no connection. No connection. There's no connection. The A12 cuts across. And there's another community that we've now started working on. And, again, that's a 50-minute walk on the other side, but on the other side of the A12. And, again, the communities are just not connected. So really thinking about how you connect things. And, you know, I'm probably saying something that you all know, but location, location, location, location, it does really matter, right? So thinking about where people will go and not go. And they won't walk 10 minutes if it's in the wrong direction. So, you know, do it, huh? Do it, can I just have one more question? Just, are you just quickly following up on that? No, Chair, I just wanted to flag the time. And I am constrained. And I have a last final train at 9.20. I am going to need to leave in five minutes. So I'm wondering if the committee had any direct questions for me as an officer because I will need to withdraw. Okay. Members, do we have any? So, at what point? I don't want you to miss that New Year train, no? No, no, no. Sure. Just regarding the board, you said, like, there's a board because it's a charity status. Is that made up of, like, local residents, GP, experts? Is there any councillors, local councillors involved? So we are a membership organisation. So we have different levels of government. So we have a member, a membership group of about 70 official members. The number of active members is much, much smaller than that. And that sort of local residents, they might have been local residents 20 years ago and moved out, et cetera, et cetera. But so we are a membership organisation. And I think that's quite powerful in terms, again, of the principles of, you know, voice, et cetera, and empowerment. We then have a board and we have now nine members. Five of them are ordinary members, so application and then a selection process. And in the last round, we specifically wanted somebody who was more connected to the local community because it is something that we have struggled with a little bit. So I think it's a very, very relevant question to ask and something to really think about. Not always easy, but definitely very important. And then we also have four co-opted members of the board. And those are, you know, representatives of our strategic partners. And although the funding is not where I would want it to be, we do consider Tower Hamlets a strategic partner, so they do have a seat on the board. Engagement between these four walls is not as good as I would like it to be. Okay. Thank you so much. Councilor Michael Sullivan. Oh, hi. I've worked in the voluntary sector for several decades on and off. And I've also chaired various voluntary organisations. Yeah, yeah. My question is, do you work with core funding as a key one? Now, every organisation, voluntary organisation, suffers from the same thing. You get money for the project. The project lasts a few years, goes away. And they have to constantly, constantly fundraise. I've never thought of working, say, with organisations like Locality, you know, and, say, Trust for London, to set up the campaign for core funding for voluntary organisations like yourself, community centres like yourself, so that when, you know, government largesse comes and goes, so that when the government largesse collapses, change of government, there are at least something left preserved that can be more or less put in a lifeboat. and kept alive till the next uptick of resources. The other thing, outreach. You might consider, Islington has an organisation called Help on Your Doorstep, which actually goes out and door knocks people. Yeah. Well, we're a very good model. I assume you have something similar in Tower Hamlets. In terms of the core funding, this is a conversation. I used to be a funder before becoming a Charity Chief Exec, and the conversation around core funding has been going on for decades, decades. And some funders are moving in that direction, which is very, very welcome. I think many funders are still not there. And then, obviously, organisations such as ourselves, we also depend on contracts and, yeah, the more statutory funding, which obviously then, you know, it conflicts. But we are a member of locality, and we have these conversations. But, again, this is something that I'm sure your local VCS organisations would absolutely support. And, again, as a council, you'd be very progressive if you sort of shifted some of your funding to be more akin to core or offer at least more flexibility. It's the restricted nature of the funding that, I think, is a problem. And then door knocking, we absolutely do from time to time. Yeah. And, again, it's really about sort of going out, talking to people in the street, go and knock on their doors, be where people go, basically, absolutely. Absolutely. That's a vital way of engaging. Thank you so much. Dave? Dave? All right. Sounds great. Brilliant. But it's a bit of a coup d'etat. You seem to be doing a lot of work that I'd expect the council to be doing. It's when do you start overlapping with the council and you seem to be doing a little bit of a better job. All you've got to do is start doing the bins and you're in, you know. But then part of the land is a private developer owned and part of the land is the council, which you take care of. With the private development crashing in on you, have you got guarantees from both these parties that they're not going to squash it? And I just hope the council are doing no part because you seem to be doing a hell of a lot for 5,000 odd people and I've not heard anything from the council coming to your aid or your rescue or to give you funding and especially if you're doing a lot of their work. And Isleten would love to have three acres of land like that just to develop on. Thank you. Where do I start? So the land thing, you know, I'll start there because I always say that when people come to visit the Bromley-Babeau model, the Bromley-Babeau centre, I always say we are in an actual position to have those three acres. And when I talk about the model, I never say, here is Bromley-Babeau in a box, let's take it and replicate because that's not possible. It wouldn't be the right thing because, you know, you need to adjust it for the local community. But also there's a couple of things that came together to create, to enable the Bromley-Babeau model and some of these things aren't easily replicated. So I absolutely take that. It doesn't mean, though, that there's some of the principles that I think you can sort of take away and that's the conversation here, I suppose. Because in terms of the role of the council, I found that a really interesting one. Again, you know, before joining the Bromley-Babeau Centre, I was at the National Lottery Community Fund. And one of the conversations that we always had was, we are not going to fund what the government should pay for. Now, I was there in increasingly senior positions in the age of austerity, I can tell you that the goalpost shifted quite a bit as I was sort of, you know, like around social care. You know, the bars, you know, went up and up and up and the voluntary sector, not just the Bromley-Babeau Centre, but the voluntary sector started having to go where previously the government had gone. So, again, this is not a conversation that is just relevant to the Bromley-Babeau Centre. I think this is a conversation that the voluntary sector and a voice that the voluntary sector, I think, has been trying to raise for years now. To give you a very specific example in terms of the implications of that and some of the reflections that I've made to myself in the last sort of couple of years, ESOL. So, we are in a community where over 60% are Bangladeshi heritage, very high numbers of low levels of English. So, ESOL classes, kind of vital, especially if you think about accessing anything else. digital literacy, incredibly poor in our local area, absolutely vital to access any local authority support. Cost of living crisis, we had a meeting at the centre and the representative of the council was there, 40 different pots of support, four, zero, different applications, all online, all online. Now, you put that model in a community where the need is high, levels of English, poor, and digital skills, poor. People are not going to access the support. You can have conversations around the levels of support, but, you know, even the level of support that's available, people have real challenges accessing it. So, we provide ESOL classes. And then, some of the funding that we had access to disappeared because it came from the GLA and, you know, that we were a sub and so we didn't get the funding anymore. And we previously had 100 people having access to ESOL classes a year. We had a waiting list on those 100, but then we couldn't provide the support for those 100 people. So, we know for a fact that there's 100 people who would have had access to ESOL did not get access anymore. And I was putting in an application with one of these trusts and foundations and we were going through the selection process and out of 5 or 10 or 20 applications, we were one of two. And we had to go and present and talk, etc., etc. And then we got the news. We didn't get it. And the reflection that I then went back home with is, damn, we didn't do a good enough job to get that funding, which means we can't provide people with ESOL classes. And then the next day, I sort of made the reflection to myself, is it fair that because of my inability as an individual to convince random corporate person number one that we're the right organization to fund, that people in my local community can't access ESOL classes? It's a difficult conversation to have, isn't it? Thank you. Thank you so much. I'm just going to, one question, I'm mindful of time, and I think you've really given us great, in-depth, some innovative approach there. And I think I'm not too sure how the other members of the community might want it, but definitely might want to take you on that offer of coming to see how it's on ground. We just need to find a way where that fits in. I'm sure we'd like to see it, but so that way I might actually go further in some of the questions that I have. I think it's good to have a look and then be able to execute the question. But I've got one question, one as Eastlington resident, and one that has got people coming in from different places coming to see your model. And I'm sure you probably have had a preview of what might be happening in Eastlington and you think, hmm. So I guess my question now would be, what do you think we're doing in Eastlington that we could do differently in this space? I mean, we sort of had an interesting conversation in advance. And again, I mean, there's many things. But, you know, the reality is resources are scarce. You know, that's a given. Need is to hide. Resources are scarce. I think these connections with health, starting to bring some of that together across, you know. A person isn't, we don't fit into a single box, right? We're complex individuals, and especially then for the people that we're trying to support. In a context of such need and such scarce resources, we cannot duplicate. We cannot have people falling between the cracks. We have to bring things together more. And that, for me, is really something that I think, if you're having this conversation, don't do it in a silo. Don't do it in a silo. And, you know, you have, I'm sure, a great sector in the borough. Residents who have some of the means to support that, build on that. Bring them in. Bring the voluntary sector organisations in. Don't duplicate. Don't do things in silo. Bring it together. There's just too much to do and not enough resource to do it in isolation. Bring it together. That would be my starting point. That makes sense. Thank you. I see the staff member, I'll let you say something. Just a response to that, if I may, Chair. Thank you so much for coming. And it's been really interesting to talk to you. I think it was just something that the Vice Chair said, you know, how do you get people in because people are, you know, people don't want to present themselves to services, I think is the phrase you use. And I just thought it's interesting that, you know, going back to what Dean says about are you doing work that the council should be doing and so on. But sometimes, you know, an organisation like yours is the one best place precisely because residents don't feel they're presenting themselves to services. They feel like they're showing up in a lovely community space and they are therefore accessing services. But what you said there about co-location is something we want to take on board, we're doing it in some ways in our Access Islington Hubs. But I'm just thinking about, you know, in my ward archway, we're building some council houses, some private homes, and also a new GP practice and also a new library. And so it's interesting to think that that library is not just a place to borrow books, it's a community space and we should be thinking about those as community hubs too. Yeah, absolutely. I think, you know, again, we are lucky in terms of the space that we have, but we're going out as well, you know, some of our activities. We don't just, our space and our place is important to us and it's absolutely core to what we do, but we don't limit our delivery to those spaces. And for instance, one of the things that we've just started to do and to develop is we are now working with one of the local housing associations that we work really well and that we know really well and who we work with closely. And we have this thing called the Welcome Hub that's basically our open door where people can just sort of come in and talk to somebody and get support. We are doing that type of model in their main building. So we are taking some of the principles of our model into the head office of a housing association because it's a place and a space. People have to go there. So why not use that space for broader engagement? Thank you so much. Just a final question. How many people do you have in your workforce? So it varies. So we're about sort of 70 full-time equivalent and that's about 56, 57 part... Sorry, 70 members of staff equivalent to about 56, 57 full-time equivalent. We have quite a lot of part-time workers. Thank you so much. I'm sure the committee would join me to say a special thank you to Andy for the presentation in depth and it's been really insightful and taking your very first official working week of the year to come and share with us here in East Linton. I apologize for the chamber of not being too warm. It's normally much warmer. That's a lot. Yes. I was trying to keep the spirit up. So but I say thank you. You've promised to share certain information with us so please we will take you on that and the team will do it is to kind of figure out how best we can do that visit as well. So thank you so much. Well, I would say we've actually got just... Just for noting here is our work programme. Is there anything to flag up on that? May. Yeah, Chair. I'm sorry. I am concerned about February. It's quite overloaded. It'll be on the work programme. And what is of concern is item five, housing association scrutiny. I remember last year we had a full... I think it was almost a full meeting where housing associations were scrutinised quite heavy and it was quite constructive questions from the public as well. And I just think that's an item on itself. I think also the use of... Item three, use of agency and contractors and repairs is another kind of... It seems we're squeezing February in quite a lot and I think we need to think again that probably a number of issues need to be separated. I totally agree with you. I've had a glance of it and I was going to actually make sure an email gets sent out. Now, I would say that there are a couple of decisions to make there, which is the housing association. I need to know how many have actually confirmed to attend. If not, then one would probably say to the committee to have that on the upper one because as many of the housing associations that we can have, the better. And yes, so there is a decision there to make but allow me to... We've all got back here. Allow me to have some conversation and also maybe with the vice chair and a couple of the officers I really need to know that we've got those housing associations people coming before. Can I just make a proposal? So I definitely agree with what Councillor Hogan said that we should trim down what we're doing in February but in any event, because there's quite a few really important items on here and we will be time constrained, it might be good to have a pre-meeting in February. I think if we've got different housing associations, a lot of us will have the same concerns so we can just think of it before the meeting who might say what and how we'll present it so we get the most out of it. Just a comment. Before when we had the housing associations coming in, they would all say they was coming and hardly any of them turned up. We had major problems with them. Look, I haven't chaired this meeting for the number of years and my understanding of the relationship with the council with the housing association is still one that probably needs developing and I don't know at this point we hope in good spirit that they do turn up and engage us accordingly hence why I want to make sure that we're going to actually have some people be there so if not we have to move it but I also take on board work councillor and I just said that in terms of a pre-me I wouldn't say we have a pre-me for every meeting but I would say if we know the housing association are coming I think it would be nice for us to be more sort of united because to our approach in terms of you know questioning and especially if it is for February definitely we need to have a pre-me but please do look out for your email or some sort of notification by or anyone from the team as well yes yeah just very quickly on that point what I found last time when we added all the housing associations in was they they came in with a prepared speech they didn't answer any questions they came in saying well we didn't know we were going to ask that so we might come back to you at some point they never have so it might be an idea to have prepared stuff that we want them to come in with and let us know the answers too because we don't we don't want to know a situation where we get we have a big meeting and all we're getting is people saying we'll get back to you we'll get back to you we'll get back to you we need to know the answers again good observation and good point I think it's still going to come down to are we going to have those housing associations there and yes leave that with me to deal with the offices or the office at least we to confirm they are coming and with that coming those questions yeah I agree some questions should be raised beforehand at least some specific answers for that you know particular area that you might have in mind so I do welcome that again but I think a confirmation but I do want the committee to stay open to the thought that it might not be in February I'm very conscious that it might not be in February and then it goes in the next one which is in March but if it's in February yes to throw in some questions before I'm really trying to avoid a situation they don't turn up because of I don't know how the invites have happened but I do want the invites to happen and assurance that they're coming and the rest of it and let them know that we are going to be informing for example what I would like is the housing association to know that we are going to be informing their residents or their tenants that they're coming to sort of that I need something to ensure that I mean they're watching I would like you to be here so we're all here we're all the same team we just want to you know showcase some of the housing association for record has been doing amazing stuff so unless it's not you know so yeah so I welcome those as well to come and tell us those amazing stuff that they're doing as well final one I really I was just going to say can we have a similar approach to contractors okay I don't see why not too so then if you do have your questions I think you should send them across yeah okay thank you do you have anything well if there is nothing else I would just say please there are some visits that is lined up I would ensure I would really encourage that people try and engage that's part of the wider conversation and they still engage that even if you can't make it I'm trying to tell a lot to make sure it's more than one so that you know one in the daytime one in the evening but please we want we want members to really fit into at least our final and thank you so much and with that I would say thank you very for stepping in as well and if there's nothing else bring it to the end thank you thank you thank you
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I am Councillor Jason Jackson, Chair of the committee and I will be chairing tonight's meeting. Please note that we are not expecting a fire alarm test this evening, so if the alarm does sound please do evacuate the building. This meeting is being broadcast live on the council website, however members of the public are unable to participate online. Please do turn on your microphone when speaking and remember to turn it off when you have finished. To make sure that you can be heard, play in the room, I'm sure, we're a small room, a small committee here. Please speak clearly and directly into the microphone. I will start by asking members of the committee and of offices present to introduce themselves, starting from my vice-chair on my right. Councillor Hannah McHugh, Vice-Chair of the committee. Councillor Toby North, St Peter's and Canal Side Ward. Councillor Michael O'Sullivan, Fintry Park Ward. Dean Donaghy, Co-op 2. I'm Councillor Sheila Chapman, I'm the Executive Member of Equalities, Communities and Inclusion. I'm Lorna Hughes, I'm the Interim Assistant Director for Equalities, Community Partnerships and Heritage. Hi, good evening. I'm Elie Dedecker. I'm the Chief Executive of the Bromley-Baba Centre. Good evening, Councillor Angelo Weeks, Executive Member for Community Safety. Councillor Phil Graham, Bunhill Ward. Councillor Alkaichinko, Owner, Lake Upward. Hello, Mike Hall, Assistant Director of Property Services. Good evening, all. My name's Ian Swift, Director of Housing Operations. McGill Gunn, Councillor for Tolham Ward. Thank you. We have apology from Rose. Any other apologies received? No, Chair. Okay, thank you. And there's no statutory member. No, Chair. Declaration of Interest. Are there any interests to declare? Thank you. Previous minute, are we happy to adopt that? Or any issues for me? Happy? Thank you, team. Right. From the Chair's Report. I had a very good Christmas. That's the report that I have. And I think... But we did also have a meeting discussing regarding the evidence gathering for our review topic. To build part of, you know, some of the recommendation and conversation we're having around this. In due period, I think that we're probably going to have a follow-up meeting or a visit planned from that meeting. Reasons for that meeting was mainly to discuss certain aspects of this topic, which we find is more valuable for us to have that conversation from a space where we can have a little more in-depth information and other contractual issues as well. That is not necessarily set for the public meeting assistance. So, yes, that's the report. And I believe we have got a few dates set for us to do a couple of visits for our topic. Now, I will be moving the agenda around a little bit. Rather than going into our main screening review, I will go straight into the quarterly review housing performance report. And that was meant to be preserved by Jed, but I believe Ian is capable and is here to deliver it. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. So, obviously, this is a regular report that you have for each quarter. Quarter three is just finished. Performance continues to improve across most of the performance indicators, especially the tenant satisfaction measures, which, as you know, are a regulatory of social housing, asks us to comply with and provide this information to them. So, there is strong improvements across the board. What I would suggest that we do is run and focus on line by line, that we produce an action improvement plan for the 6th of February meeting, which is only four weeks away, on the ones that we have in lower quartile stroke medium. So, you can clearly see what actions improvements officers are trying to make to improve performance on those few that are in the lower quartile for the tenant satisfaction measures, if that's acceptable with the committee. So, you can clearly see, you can clearly see the perception of residents is the view of the council's improving in terms of overall satisfaction increase from this time last year by 2%. And we need to continue on that agenda of continuous improvements. But, as I say, the ones that are showing signs of where they've not improved, i.e. in lower quartile or medium quartile, we will produce you with an action improvement plan in four weeks for you to view. In terms of the performance in terms of homelessness households in temporary accommodation, as everyone's aware, homelessness crisis continues and is accelerating in the country. There was a 16.3% increase in the last 12 months nationally of people living in temporary accommodation and Islington is mirroring that across the piece. Although we're saying that we have 14.2 people per thousand population, that's considerably below the London average, which is 18.85. Numbers of people sleeping rough have increased. The annual count that was conducted with some members being present at the annual counts at the end of November identified 18 people sleeping rough. However, only two of those had a connection to Islington and they've now been rehoused. But, obviously, the other 16 people need support assistance. It's good that we still do not have families in bed and breakfast accommodation at all and also over six weeks, which is really good for the benefit of the children's education, attainment, health, wellbeing, etc. The repairs improvements hasn't improved. And, again, we'll send you to the first time. We'll produce reports on that. Rent rears have improved slightly. And next time we come to the committee, we'll show you a benchmarking report we've produced comparing ourselves against the London councils. You can clearly see our performance compared to other performance, but in light of the cost of living crisis, you can clearly see people are struggling in our communities because of poverty. And we try to address that sympathetically, but by still collecting the rent. If you'd like to ask me any questions, I'll be very pleased to answer them. Clearly, we need to improve on the complaint section within the report, but there is solid performance across the piece, which shows continued improved performance over the last two years. Happy to answer any questions. Thank you. I would take questions from the committee. I start with Councillor Tobinoff. Thanks. Just two lines. If I could ask for a bit more detail on one on asbestos safety checks. Could you tell us a bit more? I know that the report explains that that's down to absence, but could you explain a bit more about how we're aiming to recover that? And then on fixed first time, yeah, I'd be really welcome a bit more information. Are we getting a report on that separately at a future meeting? On both of those items, you'll get a detailed report on both of those at the February 6th meeting. But if Mike wants to come in and answer any questions on that today. Would that help you? Yeah. Well, you're here now, so we might as well ask. That's fine. Regarding the asbestos work, that's been carried out by the community wealth team, building team. That process is going through. They are at 80%, but it's a rolling program. So by the end of that financial year, that will be 100%. They will be on target. So they are working through that at the moment. But yeah, it's actually a rolling program. It's not the percentage of pass and fails. Does that make sense? It's a bit like the electrical testing. Do you have a follow-up? And then just in terms of first time fixes, how we managed to achieve that target? Great to hear, but I would welcome you a bit more information on that. The first time fixed target. What line is that sound? Excuse me. That's, it's quite close to the bottom of the table, Mike. Oh, okay. So our first time fixed rating is a combined total. So it's with our emergencies included with our routine orders. We aim to have 100% in our EO2 orders and 100% with our U24 orders. There are different ways that are measured. Completion is U24. Attendance is with an EO2. And then our R21 is what we need to be bringing that figure up at the moment to get to that level. So there are different measures on different priorities on that. Thank you. Um, um, Councillor McGill again. Um, yeah, just, sorry, Ian. Does the, um, the figures for those in temporary accommodation include those who've been located outside the borough? That's, that's good. Good to know. Um, I'm sorry. Yep. So 50% of the people in temporary accommodation are in council-owned temporary accommodation in Islington. Um, 45% are in neighbouring boroughs. So like Haringey, uh, Camden, Hackney. Um. Sure. Just, I don't think it's included in the report, but, um, like, uh, installation of our homes. Just wondering, is there an audit coming up on that? Um, I would need to come back with it, because it's more something that it'll be delivered via our capital programme. Um, and there are going to be, uh, audit checks done on our properties that we'll be gathering that information to find out what homes have got the significant, sufficient, uh, installation to their homes. So I can get, come back to you on those, those figures. Thank you. Um, um, Councillor Nichols Sullivan. Um. Question on the as, as best as again. Uh, most of the, uh, as best as as usually, I think the, uh, industry advice is to leave it intact, unless it's absolutely necessary to remove it for fairly obvious reasons. Uh, I assume we keep a, uh, register and a map of, uh, where this asbestos, where we find asbestos and do not remove it, just in case for future reference? Yeah, correct. So, you know, exactly as you said, if asbestos is, is in situ and undamaged, it would remain there. Um, that is recorded, so we have that on our repair system before we go to site. Operatives and officers have the availability to check that. We also, when we're doing our voids, we have an R&D survey, so all of those surveys are inputted into one survey system. So again, that information's there. Um, and if there are any works of removing the asbestos within dwellings, that information's also recorded on one. So that directly comes from that data, the asbestos database also that, that is maintained. Um, I think the only bit to add to that is, you know, if there is asbestos on a property, uh, and we are doing intrusive work, um, yeah, our first step is to be cautious with that. Oops. Oops. Sorry. Is to be cautious with that before we, uh, before we move forward and we'll go down the, the necessary health and safety steps. Uh, and then just a question on the first time fixes. Uh, when you have, when a job requires multiple visits, you can divide it roughly into two. The vast majority are necessary in order to complete the job because that's the nature of the work done. Uh, but there is a certain percentage of them where it's gone back to rectify, uh, mistakes made in the original visit. Uh, and as I understand it, having seen it on your database, you can distinguish between the jobs that are planned over multiple visits and, uh, the jobs that are otherwise have to be done again. Uh, could you provide us with that information? I think I've asked for this in the several times and you don't seem to be able to print the appropriate report off the database, despite the fact that you are recording this information. Uh, yeah, I can, I'll have a check after this to make sure I've got the detail on there, but I can, I can, uh, obtain the information. And final one, uh, complaints, uh, now that we have, uh, complaints, uh, standard, et cetera, I understand that there are fines that the, uh, Housing Ombudsman and the Register of Social Housing can apply if complaints are not dealt with within a, uh, specific time frame work. Has Huntington Council been fined for anything, uh, any of these yet? Yes. The Council has been fined by the Housing Ombudsman, um, for mal-administration, um, in terms of our work. And around about 65% of all of the... Sorry, just one second, Councillor Sullivan, just your mic, please, thank you. Um, 65% of complaints upheld by the Ombudsman relate to repairs, service, and then all of the other relate to housing management and social behaviour in careers, housing allocations, et cetera. Um, the information was available at the last month's meeting in terms of the annual report from the Housing Ombudsman. And I, if memory serves me right, the fines the Council has had over the last 12 months is £93,000. Thank you. Do you have a follow-up question? No? Okay. Um, right. I'll, I'll let you come afterwards. Um, Dean? Just a question. Um, it's not a question, it's more of a statement. I don't usually praise these in the Council much, but your gas safety, fire checks, and water checks... Sorry, Dean. Are you, are you praising Ian or are you praising the Council here? I'm praising the Council. Okay, great. Because of the explosion, the gas explosion, what killed some people over the Christmas period. I'd like to see. I know it's never possible to get 100% all the time, but I think you'd be quite proud of your record here. And I want to make that a note. Water, fire, and your asbestos needs a little bit of work, I'll get that. But praise where praise is due, yeah. Thank you so much for the work of that. Um, Councillor Hanna? Um, thanks. Actually, Ian, you, you touched on my question already relating to complaints. I was going to ask where they are mostly coming from, what the complaints are in relation to. Um, I'm, I'm noting here that repairs are increasingly being completed within timescales. Does that mean that we're seeing a fall in the number of complaints related to repairs? Um, and I have another question after. The complaints, um, across England have increased dramatically. Um, and the housing ombudsman, uh, complaints to them have also increased dramatically. Um, and that's an industry wide. Uh, in relation to complaints concerning, um, across the whole of the housing directorates, continue to increase, um, for various reasons. And that is, could be for many reasons. Um, and the maladministration rate is currently 83% of those findings. Um, which is obviously too high. So we, we've introduced, um, a quarterly audit of all of the complaints to learn from them. And to cascade that information is to be made. And to use every complaint as a learning opportunity to improve services. We're introducing the new structure for housing management. And the plan is, from the 1st of April, use of our residents. Which is not what we've done in the past. Um, thanks. Just, just a follow up on that. Specifically then on repairs. So if 81% non-emergency repairs are happening within 20 days. That's great for 81%. But what kind of timescale are we talking about for the other 19%? Because I think to go from 20 days to actually registering a complaint. That suggests there's quite a big lag there. Thank you, I can take that. Um, I haven't got that exact measurement on that. Um, but, you know, the goal is anything that goes out of that 20 day priority becomes the priority. To ensure that, you know, that becomes the most important job we have. It's, it's one of the big things we've worked on a lot of recent times. Is to, you know, reduce our works in progress. And doing that's let us, you know, see where our, our areas of concern are. And that's, that's brought that completion rate up. But I think that next step is now to, to raise that. And reduce that, that, that time over the 20 day period that you're talking about. Um, I can try and get some figures on that. I know we have more complicated repairs that, you know, involve, you know, the roofing and scaffolding for likes. Or we have issues around leaks and so forth that are going into, to properties due to the, the makeup of our dwellings. Um, that make them a little bit difficult. And they can be, can be tricky to get access at times. Because we need multiple people, multiple residents in their homes. But I can try and get some figures on that. Just to try and give you sort of a, a more accurate picture of how long those, that 90% are taking. Yeah, thank you. I think it would be really helpful for this committee to see that information. Um, one more question if I can. Um, so on antisocial behavior, I know that we've implemented some very effective new tools for reporting, for making it clear to our residents what is antisocial behavior. And so it's, it's not a bad thing to see the numbers going up of, of data and an awareness of the kind of antisocial behavior residents are living with. Um, my question is, how is the case handling and case management taking place? So, um, it's great that we know antisocial behavior is happening. But how many of these cases are being closed? Are they being closed in a timely manner? What, what's that reporting cycle looking like now that we've got these new policies in? Um, the, the service has improved dramatically, um, over the last 12 months in terms of the antisocial behavior work and the strong partnership work between housing operations service and, uh, the service that Councillor Weeks is now responsible for in terms of community safety. Um, and there is effective handovers of those issues. Um, the new structure when it comes in and first of April will help with that because each officer will only have a patch of 550 properties. But at the moment some officers can have a patch of 3000 and the case work administration isn't good. And it is fair to say that we have failed our residents historically because of the current structure, uh, within housing operations. And that is being addressed, um, by the service and Sinem Yannick, the assistant director of housing management has built, um, a new framework, uh, around good neighborhood, which this committee approved, uh, the report and has undertaken detailed case work assessment of our failings. Um, I've noticed recently that the housing ombudsman isn't finding administration anymore, uh, within the antisocial behavior cases. Um, and they're saying that we've may have had a service failure, i.e. not responded quick enough in the past. Uh, and we've paid our complaint the money up front because we didn't respond quick enough. And they're saying that's a service failure, but they're happy with the fact that we've remitted it. So we do need to improve. I think that's the message that I'm trying to say to you. We have a case work management system in place, a frame that the resident wants, no, but we are improving. And if you'd like a report on that, we can produce one for you at the next meeting. Thank you. Um, that's so fair. Yeah. Um, just, it's, it's great that we're, we're, we're answering calls quicker and everything, but we've got, we've still got an issue with, um, ongoing stuff. I mean, on my ward alone, we've got the red brick, the heating goes down on a weekly basis. Sometimes it just feels like that. Um, how are we doing on stuff that we, we, we must be losing a lot of money, going back and repairing the same things over and over and over and over again, or asking our contractors to do the same. It's, it, it can't be saving us any money. Um, so I'd just like to know what we're doing about, when something's coming up constantly, as we've discussed in the past, you know, it gets to the stage where the residents are saying, you know, do something, do something that, that sticks. And it's us who pops it. And then I get on the phone. But, uh, I was just wondering, is there any, any word on that? Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. I can take that. Um, yeah, I think that is one of the frustrating bits that, you know, that we, that we battle with about the repeat visits when things aren't completed, completed, you know, first time around. And it's something that we, again, are really focusing on. Um, those areas of concern, like the red brick, for example, you know, there's a lot of monitoring that goes on with that. We've put systems now in place, you know, if that particular heating system goes down, there is a, there is a hotline on that we can draw to that contractor return. Um, if contractors are being asked to go back, and that's something I think Councillor O'Sullivan was saying, you know, we are looking at, you know, when recalls go out, that we're not being charged for those multiple times. Um, we also like a post-inspecting, you know, 100% of our repair work has been post-inspected, either whether it's a physical inspection, or whether it's a desk inspection, depending on value. But reports can be run on, you know, our high risk, at risk, uh, repairs, like the heating, because it's very, very, you know, high profile thing during the winter months, and puts lots of residents at risk. So, the other things that we really work on at the moment, and, you know, we have reports on those that can show us where they are with the likes of lifts or another one. Those things that have multiple, you know, that can have multiple effects on, on residents, and, uh, and people getting back into their homes. So, um, there is lots of work going on behind the scenes about it. We are bringing contractors in and speaking to them on a monthly basis, where contractors are failing on that. We are bringing them in on a more, uh, regular basis, where some of our roofing contractors, for example, are coming in on weekly meetings at the moment. Um, so, you know, moving forward, there's things we want to see improve, and I think we will get there in time with it. We are aware of it. Thank you. Is that a follow-up question? Yeah. Okay. Um, just, just out of interest, the, the, the, I mean, I could name the, one of the contractors that we call that. No, you wouldn't name it. I won't. Thank you. Um, but what I get told is that they, they come, they fix it, they leave, it goes down, and then they take four hours to get back. Um, because they've only got one van. Um, so, without naming names of contractors, we need, we need to be on top of the contractors. We have been in the past, um, we've had meetings with contractors. I've got to be very careful. That's, um, I would just come in there, just before you come in there, I think it would be good for the committee to just base around this, the sort of, uh, number of visits for the same issue and maybe contract something you can present to us or have for the committee. We would like to see that. No, that's absolutely fine. I think that's along the lines that you're also talking about Councillor S11 about, yeah, those repeat visits. So, yeah, we can, I can speak with the team and get some, some detail on that. That's, that's fine. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm being mindful of, let me, I've got to ask my own questions if the committee don't mind. A question for me. Sure, please. When we first, when I first started being on this committee, we had the contractors come in and talk to us and give us the excuses for certain reasons. Can't we do that again? I think I would, I think the best approach would be for us to see what our offices have got for us. And then we can then from that data be able to then decide on what and who we actually want to get to see here so that we can get accurate. But yes, I'm, I'm, I'm inclined to go the same way again. Thank you. Um. Yeah. Councilor. Yeah. In a report, it's just mentioned about, there has also been a 50% rise in homelessness due to no fault evictions in the past year. And I suppose to combat that one way would be if we extend our register of private landlords, you know, to, I think it's because it's only like certain wards. And I think we need to really combat that problem because I think this is, you know, 50% rise due to no fault evictions. So most of them would be private landlords. I, I, I, I, I let you in committee, but I think the committee does echo this as a piece of work around this. Um, it's ongoing, but, um, Ian, I don't know if you have any latest update. Yes, certainly. The, the reason, uh, landlords are evicting, uh, tenants is because we've seen in Islington a 14% increase in rents, uh, in the private rented sector in the last 12 months, 14% the year before. But yet the local housing allowance rate, which is the rate set by central governments, has not increased for next financial year. So the tenants can no longer afford the rent since the rent has gone up 28% and the housing benefit hasn't gone up. Um, the landlord is now evicting those tenants who are then coming to the council as homeless and then letting it to people who can afford the 28% rent increase. So everything the council tries to do to prevent homelessness, we're doing, uh, but unfortunately the market that we're working in, in Islington is aligned with what the local residents needs are. I wonder regarding the register of private landlords, is it a way we could extend that? Yeah. You know, in, in, in future, maybe. So we, we're certainly working on that with the licensing and et cetera, which Councillor Weekes is, uh, leading on. Um, and we want to report to this meeting in the future, outlining that, that improvement, which we did, I think, two meetings ago. I think you asked for an, uh, an agenda improvement every six months, which we will do for you. Thank you. Um, Councillor Weekes, you're here. Do you, um, I mean, we expect to see the future. Do you have any off the press information on what's been raised? Um, I don't, um, but I'll be happy to come to the next meeting in, in February with a full, um, I'll be happy to come in February, the first one in February. Thank you. Okay. Um, my question, um, Ian, and then we'd, we'd let you go in a little, it's around the number of, um, those are sleeping rough. And I kind of wanted to sort of link that into another, um, um, the mayor of London office as a strict link, which they've been sort of pushing off for people, especially this period where the weather is really, um, it's not, no one should even attend to. Um, but I'm trying to sort of look at, I've seen this in the report several times where it does mention around, um, the closure of the COVID support. I'm, I'm wondering at what point does what's happening moves away from COVID report to actual situation of, uh, of the day. So, um, some good things to mention is that the council for rough sleepers hosted, um, its annual Christmas day lunch for people sleeping rough. Over 140 people attended at the assembly room. And that was done in partnership with streets kitchen, um, and led by the leader of the council of Islington. So that's, that's impressive. Everyone over the festive period, including all of this week, anyone sleeping rough have been offered accommodation support and food, uh, in terms of the emergency severe winter weather protocol. So that's in place outside of the festive period and the cold snap. We offer accommodation to everyone that we identify as sleeping rough in Islington. We have a higher percentage rates than other London councils for getting people off the streets and into permanent accommodation. And that we, we still have that goal to eliminate rough sleeping. We're not achieving it. The council lobbied, um, Councillor Chapman helped to write the letters to the home office to extend the eviction period to 56 days. And we did lead on that, you know, the council was adamant that that needed to change from literally just giving people very little notice where the home office now gives the council and the resident in the two home office hotels 56 days notice and will not evict during, uh, the severe winter weather protocol. So that will help us again to stop people going into the streets. The numbers in Islington go into the streets is dramatically lower than everywhere else in London or the majority of central London, but we need to be better. Thank you. And, um, and I guess you've mentioned sort of that closure of COVID. Is that our surrounding boroughs or the small house get borough? I think we can just remove that from future reports if I'm honest with you. Thank you, Ian. Um, with that, I noticed members of the public are here. I mean, it's a new year. If anyone has a question, I'm happy to accept. No? Thank you. Well, Ian, thank you so much. You are also free to go if you have to. Thank you, Chair. Um, great. Um, let's move to our then main screening review into isolated community centers. I would ask, um, Lono to do the introduction. I know we have a guest as well, and we'll see the presentation, and then I'll come to the members for questions. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. So, over the last couple of months, I know the committee has shown strong interest in looking at community facilities, community centers in other places that are delivered with a different model to what we do here in Islington. So, tonight, I am delighted. It sounds like a television program, but it isn't. I'm delighted to have Ellie Dedecker with us this evening, who is the chief executive of the Bromley by Bow Centre. Um, for those of you who may not have heard of the Bromley by Bow Centre, it is a hub in Tower Hamlets in East London. It has got a national, a local, an international, uh, reputation and recognition for the great work that they do in serving the population, uh, in their local area in Tower Hamlets. So, I must admit, I must admit, I've got a strong personal passion for the Bromley by Bow Centre. Many years ago, I learnt to make stained glass there, and I remember the days of not having the centre some 40 years ago, when we were operating from a dilapidated house as a GP surgery, and they have done amazing work. So, it's a bit of a, a privilege and a pleasure to invite Ellie to present the story of the Bromley by Bow Centre, and to perhaps give you all something to think about when making your recommendations about what a future model of community centres might look like here in Islington. So, I'll hand over to Ellie, and there's, Councillor Chapman, anything else to add? No? I will hand over to Ellie. Thank you. Thank you very much, Lorna, for this introduction, and good evening, everybody. Um, so, I've been with the Bromley by Bow Centre for about three years, but the story of the Bromley by Bow Centre goes back, uh, for 40 years, uh, so we've celebrated our 40th anniversary in, uh, in 2024, so in the last year. And, um, it's really been sort of an organic growth story and an organic development story, which I think is always sort of interesting to, to think about, because obviously you have your sort of portfolio of community centres. as we sort of had the luxury of 40 years of developing, growing, thinking about what we wanted the centre to be. Um, but, but yes, as, uh, Lorna, um, explains, um, we are recognised as quite an innovative model of being a place and a space for a community to come and to be, but then also to really sort of get, um, get support in an integrated and holistic way. Um, and we're also very recognised for the way that we do this in an integrated way with health. We are a charity, um, and I'll tell you a little bit more later on in terms of our funding model and how we connect as well to, to the local authority in Tower Hamlets, which I'm sure, um, you, you would be interested in. Um, I've prepared a couple of slides, um, you might have a printout in your pack, but I'm very happy to sort of, you know, take questions as we go along if that's, uh, what you'd like to do. So please interrupt me if there are sort of things that you would like to know that, um, I'm not talked, I've not talked about, so please sort of, uh, you can make this quite sort of informal and in, um, conversation if that would suit the committee. So, the Bromley-by-Bow Centre. So, as Lorna sort of said, we are a hub for the community in the East London borough of Tower Hamlet. We are what is called sort of place-based organisation. We do have a national and an international reputation, but our real impact for individuals is very, very local. More local, actually, than Tower Hamlets is Bromley-by-Bow. The ward that we're, um, working in is, is, is Bromley-by-Bow. We work with about 5,000 unique individuals every, uh, every year. And over half of them live within one mile of the centre. That just gives you sort of a sense of that sort of, you know, place-based, real sort of deep local connections that we, um, have. Our purpose is quite a broad one. It's basically to enable our community to thrive. And again, we can come back to what that actually means, um, for us and, and, and discuss how you might sort of put some measurement to some of that. So, as I said, our story started 40 years ago. The site, as you sort of pointed out, was completely derelict, um, in those days. The main building, um, so we have a three-acre site. We operate on a three-acre site at the moment. And, you know, one of the things that I should have said, um, in the beginning, it's a real pleasure to meet you here tonight. But I'd be also very delighted to actually meet you in Bromley by Bow, um, at the centre. Because I think there's something hearing me speak about something. But it's really something as well about experiencing and seeing it, um, live. So that is definitely something that we can discuss. But so we operate on a three-acre site. And again, as I said, 40 years ago when it all started, it was pretty much derelict. The main building that stood there at that time was a Victorian church, a URC church. And it's basically the new vicar of that church who really started to think about how to engage differently with the local community. Um, a big sort of milestone. And, again, that sort of development that was very, very organic. So it's not that Andrew Mawson, now Lord Andrew Mawson, who was that vicar 40 years ago, had a very sort of specific plan of what the Bromley by Bow model was going to be. It really sort of happened very organically. Really sort of thinking about the church, not so much as a, um, a space of religion, but a space for the community. Um, a space for the community, inviting people in, understand what was relevant to the local community, offering them opportunity to get together and engage in activities that were relevant to them. The big sort of development of the site happened a few years later, sort of about 25 years ago now. And that was when the sort of site was sort of fundamentally redeveloped. And that's also when a specific health centre was built on the site as well. And, again, we can sort of explore in a bit more detail, um, what that sort of means in practice today. Um, you know, I'm a, I'm an Islington resident. I live, um, up, um, in Tufner Park. But for me, when I joined the Bromley-Barbeau Centre, it was really interesting to really reflect on where we were located. Because, you know, we discussed housing here. I heard you sort of talk about poverty. And I know about the sort of, the stats in Islington. But, again, to our hamlets, you know, when thinking about inequality and poverty, um, in, in Tauva Hamlets is obviously very relevant. And for me, one of the sort of things that I often talk about when I have visitors to the centre is about how the Bromley-Barbeau Centre is really sort of inequality in a very tangible way. Because we are literally in the shadow of Canary Wharf. I can almost touch and feel Canary Wharf. I turn around 180 degrees and I obviously see the development of the Olympic Park. And we're three stops from Liverpool straight. So, Tauva Hamlets' GDP is greater than the one of Greater Manchester. But, obviously, in our ward, in our immediate, um, vicinity, the challenges that our community faces are very similar to the challenges that some of your community members face. So, for me, the Bromley-Barbeau Centre is just really interesting to sort of think about the sort of reality of inequality and what that means for local people who are sort of squashed in between that sort of development, left, right, and centre. And, obviously, it drives a lot of, of how we work and what we do. One of the things that I said, um, at the start is that, um, one of the sort of things that the Bromley-Barbeau Centre is very recognised, is recognised for, is the way that it brings together sort of work, the traditional work of charities around employability, well-being, but then specifically with health. And that is built on a sort of theory that you might have heard of called, you know, the social determinants of health. And there is now a wealth of evidence that basically highlights that many people, when they go to the GP, the underlying reasons actually are not medical. People in our type of areas, up to 80% of them, when they go to the GP, the issue that needs addressing is not medical, that has much more to do with the social determinants, which have to do with poverty, stress, financial distress, etc., etc. And, again, that's what we're really trying to do in the Bromley-Barbeau Centre, and that's why the connection with health is such an important one for us, rather than having the GPs, when people have these sort of underlying issues, sort of address what the patient is coming to see them for with a medical solution. If the actual problem has much more to do with financial stresses, well, why don't we then help that person to address some of those concerns? So that's really fundamentally what the model of the Bromley-Barbeau Centre is all about, is understanding a person as a whole, understand that there's all these connections, physical health, mental well-being are completely interconnected, and then, obviously, the social determinants, again, are very relevant as well. So it's really understanding the connections between all of these factors and addressing all of these factors. Does that make sense? So, I'm not going to go through this in detail, but, again, some of the sort of statistics, some of the numbers around our community that highlight some of the sort of challenges that I mentioned, which then sort of lead to some stats that describe the health profile of our community. And in our local community, what we see is that people, you know, I'm sure that you've had conversations in various committees about the sort of the evolution of health in our local communities, especially disadvantaged communities. We know that the gap between rich and poor in terms of life expectancy has increased over the last 10 years, and we see that very strongly in our local community as well. We also see that the healthy life expectancy, that the gap has increased as well, between the better off members of the community and the more disadvantaged members of the community. And we see that, again, and we see that, again, very strongly in our local stats as well. People get sicker earlier. So, what is very sort of unusual in our community is that women tend to have worse health outcomes than men, which is quite counterintuitive if you sort of look at the national stats. So, again, that sort of connection between poverty, the sort of the social determinants, and then the actual health figures, which, again, you might recognize from some of the stats that you see here in Islington. So, then our model, what are we about? So, first of all, we offer the community a place and a space to come, to connect, and to be. Again, I've shown you the sort of pictures in terms of where the Bromley-Barbeau Centre is located, Tower Hamlets, where we are, as densely populated as you can get in London, and with the big sort of A12, not a lot of space for people to actually come and be and connect. And that's really what we offer. Again, our three-acre site, where the park, is a sort of vital, absolutely vital resource for the local community. And this is something that I've really experienced myself in the last three years, how important it is for people to have a place that they feel comfortable, where they feel that they can go, where they feel welcome. And they don't have to have a reason to come. You know, we have an open door. If people just want to come to our cafe and hang out, that's absolutely fine. We are, that open door policy, I think, is very, very important. Given that we've been in the same location for 40 years, we do have that sort of strong local connection and that strong relationship with the local community. People know us, people trust us, and that, I think, helps everything, of course, that we're trying to do. But, yeah, I think it's, I've really experienced the importance of that sort of openness, that welcoming place where people can just come and be and together. And we organise community events every year, very, you know, a few a year, but a really big one every summer. And the one that we had planned for this year was on the 7th of August. That was in the middle of the racist riots that were going on up in the end of the country. And it was the day that there was all these rumours about things happening in Walthamstow, so not too far from where we are. So we obviously had to have the conversation. Is it wise to have that community event? Is it safe? Would people feel safe to come? We decided to go ahead. And we were so pleased that we actually did. We had over 600 people coming together that particular day. And you could really see how it was such an important thing for the community to sort of have that place where different members of the community could come together and feel connected, really. So, for me, that's a really important element. And another important element to that that I would highlight is that we don't see this space as being our space. It's clearly a space for the community, which also means that if the community needs a place to do something that they want to do, take the initiative, we're absolutely open to that. We're there to support. But it feels like it's their space much more than it's our space. And I think, again, that's sort of quite an important aspect of that. So, the space and the way that the community feel about the space gives us then the opportunity to build very strong relationships and for the community to trust us, which then puts us in a very good position to offer support as and when individuals need it. I've highlighted some of the stats around poverty and unemployment and literacy, et cetera. And, obviously, these are then concerns that we can help people with. We do it in as integrated a way as possible and as person-centered as possible. So, we don't try to sort of impose, but try to be there when people want to open up and ask for support. What we're trying to do as well is just sort of have what we call sort of person-centered conversation. So, it might be that somebody comes to us because they have a particular concern with an energy bill, for instance, or because of something around their housing. And that's then the sort of conversation that we will start with, but through the relationship that we develop, we might then also find that there are particular concerns with how they access their benefits, that poor language skills, gaps in their digital skills, and then we can start helping them with those other aspects as well. So, the connection with health, so Bromley-Barbeau Centre, we are the charity and some stats about us, but then again, you know, quite unusual still, and I didn't realize how unusual this was when I first joined the Bromley-Barbeau Centre, that co-location with health. So, we're the Bromley-Barbeau Centre, but you have Bromley-Barbeau Health, which is basically a GP partnership operating four GP practices, all of them in the local area, but one on site. And again, if you came to visit, what you'd see is that the two buildings, there's sort of two parts to the building, but the way the sort of site has been developed makes that these buildings are really well in sync, very well connected. So, it's not sort of held to the left and all the other stuff to the right, there's a real natural flow in between those buildings and quite sort of a connectedness between all of that, which I think is, again, is quite important. The Bromley-Barbeau Centre, very often we are visited by architects, people sort of thinking about the development of health spaces because of the way that those buildings were conceived and interact with each other. So, there's sort of also an aspect in terms of design and development of capital buildings. So, and again, you know, you mentioned that you might be interested in the sort of actual layout of the site, so you sort of see all the different sort of elements. I spoke earlier on about the Bromley-Barbeau Centre as sort of a tangible expression of inequality, the presence of inequality. For me, the Bromley-Barbeau Centre, the Bromley-Barbeau model is also a tangible expression of partnership working because it is quite a complex patchwork of organisations coming together to deliver what is the Bromley-Barbeau model. So, as I said, you have the church, that sort of building with the red dot, that is still an active church. That's where 40 years ago the story started. Then you have the charity, you have health, and Tower Hamlets is involved as well because they actually own the grass. We manage it for Tower Hamlets, but it actually belongs to them. So, it's a real sort of patchwork of different organisations. The health centre, the building, is now actually owned by a private developer specialised in development of health buildings. So, that's sort of another piece in the puzzle. So, it is quite sort of a complex puzzle that we're sort of making work for the benefit of the community, really. But that's really, you know, something that I think is quite important to consider as well, how to sort of bring out, bring together different partners to deliver this type of model. Empowerment is absolutely key in the way that we work. So, I mentioned my first slide was about our purpose and enabling. That sort of really runs through everything that we do. And again, I've described how we see the centre as being more owned by the community than by ourselves. That goes to that sort of concept in terms of empowerment. And then the voice of the community really sort of, as I said, not imposing the model and approach, but really sort of engaging with the community and understanding what is relevant to them in terms of what, but also how things get delivered. Measuring our impact, again, I sort of mentioned that our overall purpose of making, you know, enabling our communities to thrive might sound a bit sort of vague. And one of the things that we invested quite a bit of time and money in is to try to sort of give that some more sort of a tangible shape. So, with support of the Health Foundation and some researchers, now eight years ago, we engaged the local community to understand what they felt that meant. You know, what would be a good life in the definition of the community and out of that work came six outcomes, which are then sort of underpinned by a whole series of indicators. And we spent a lot of time in the last sort of three years implementing this outcomes framework across everything that we do so that we can actually give a much more tangible sense of how we're doing against our overall purpose. So, again, if that would be of interest, I'd be very happy to share that in more detail. So, the difference that we make, this is actually from last financial year. We're just putting the final touches on our annual review for the financial year up to July 2024. So, as I said, over 5,000 unique individuals were supported by the Centre in a single year. And this is then the sort of, you know, we can go through stats about, you know, how many, how much debt we helped people resolve, how much benefits we sort of helped people claim that they didn't claim previously, how many people got a certificate. But if you think again about our sort of main purpose, sort of the stats that I think, for me, start going to that sort of community development, really, is that people who supported, reported, and 39% improvement in their overall well-being. So, before and after engagement at the Centre, a significant improvement in their understanding of what's going on in their community and how they feel connected to their community. And then, which I think is the last one, which I think is very powerful as well, is a significant increase in their propensity to support others. And this, if you sort of put those three together, that's when I think you sort of get a sense of community development, really. We do, we support social businesses as well, so we incubate through some partnership with an investment bank, some social enterprises as well, which again, in our community is extremely, extremely relevant. And I've been incredibly impressed, because we've been running this program for 16 years, and we have never, ever not found people to invest in. And every year, we get about 100 applications, and the investors are, you know, they are financially driven, and et cetera, et cetera. So, I've been very, very much impressed by the entrepreneurial spirit that we really see in our local community. And for me, that's a really important angle for us to continue to develop. So, then, in terms of, you know, that's all the good stuff, that's all the nice things to describe. But then, maybe, you know, for discussion, and maybe if you recognize some of these, you know, some of the real, real, real challenges that we are facing, because it's been really, really hard going since I joined. And I know that the COVID years, obviously, were very tough. They were tough everywhere. But I think for communities, such as the one that we're talking about here, particularly tough. And for organizations, such as the Brahmin-Barbeau Centre, particularly tough. So, I'm sure that you've heard this from your local sector as well. An absolute increase in terms of the demand for support and the need, with an absolute, you know, in the other direction, pressure on funding. And, again, what I found really interesting is, obviously, the COVID crisis made things really, really difficult. But the cost-of-living crisis, for me, that's been the real, sort of, hard impact. In terms of need, one of the things, again, that we, sort of, saw was that we hosted a food bank on our premise during COVID. On a weekly basis, about 600 families during the COVID period. When I joined, that was a, sort of, tail end of COVID that had gone down to just about 100, just below 100 families. By February 2022, when, you know, the first, sort of, price increases started, the energy price increases started, that started to go back up. By the summer 2022, we were about 500 a week again. And it's stayed stable since then. So, demand, we do not see demand going down in any shape or form. But the continued pressure on funding, obviously, is very, very real. Challenge two that we are facing is, we do many, many different things. I've given you, sort of, a flavour. We do ESOL classes, digital, employment support, social prescribing, mental health support, our classes. We do an awful lot of things. And we receive no-call funding. So, we have to fundraise for every single little bit of activity that we do. We have, on the P&L, bottom line of about 3 million, or top line of about 3 million, we have about 100 to 140 income streams at any point in time. We want to work in an integrated way because that makes sense for people. As I said, if somebody comes to us because they can't pay their energy bill, chances are that there are underlying reasons why they are not in a position to pay that energy bill. So, we can address the acute symptom of the energy bill. But, obviously, if we really want to help that person and their family in the longer term, we also need to address the underlying issues, the underlying concerns. So, an integrated approach makes obvious sense. Funding does not work that way. Even, sort of, enlightened funders, still, you know, advice is advice. In most cases, energy advice is energy advice. So, if we want to, sort of, implement this integrated approach that I've described, we have to piece it together from various different sources. It makes sense for the type of work that we do to work longer term. Most of the funding that we're getting is two years max. Two years is good. Most of the funding is renewed on an annual basis, if that. Most funding is relatively small, about 20,000 pounds, 30,000 pounds. That's not a person's salary. You know that as well. So, the funding model for the way that we work is really, really challenging. A lot of the conversations that we're having with some organizations are thinking around capital. And I think capital is important. So, I talked about the importance of having those places and the spaces where people feel comfortable. Capital, absolutely important. Revenue, also very important. So, you don't, you can't just think about the building, the site. You need to think about what happens in that site. And, again, very difficult to get people to, sort of, really have conversations to bring those things together. The wrong building with the right activity won't work for the community. But, the right building with nothing in there is also not really going to deliver the impact that you're looking to achieve. So, the funding model, extremely challenging. We, as the Promi Babo Center, we are relatively large for a community-type organization. Again, we're three million pounds. That's not small. I mean, in the sphere of charities, that's, you know, bottom mediums, medium size. But, in terms of community organizations, that's big. But, and, as I said, we have an international reputation. We have literally people from Singapore coming to visit us. Despite that, it's extremely challenging. So, I can only sympathize for the other organizations. You know, we're by no means the only organization who's having those challenges. And then, challenge number three. So, as I said, you know, we really, really, really work very hard to bring together the third sector. That's how we call ourselves, and health. We work very closely with Tower Hamlets as well. But, yeah, it is really still interesting for me to sort of observe how siloed the various sectors still are. So, I think there is more connection starting to happen between our sector and health, but it remains very piecemeal, not really at the strategic level. And, again, I always find it interesting to sort of observe how health and statutory at the various sort of levels are still really having to think proactively about being more connected and more integrated. And, obviously, that is a challenge for an organization like ourselves, for community development, you know, thinking back about what I said about how things really are very connected. So, these are just a couple of the thoughts I wanted to share. I'm happy to explore anything else. Thank you so much. Real in-depth presentation there. I will open up to the committee members for questions. So, yeah, I will start with Councillor Hannan. Wow. Thank you so much. It's really inspiring, really impressive. I'm really taken with all of the different partners and stakeholders you've brought together to be able to give such an empowering and holistic offer. It's almost overwhelming because there's so much here that you're able to do. But I was really interested when you were highlighting this very obvious visual disparity between Canary Wharf and Bromley by Bow. And, actually, in Islington, we don't always have such obvious visual disparity. We have some of the most geographically integrated inequality anywhere in the country. And I think that is a huge driver of why we have some of the highest alcohol addiction and serious mental health concerns in the country. Because the fact of that hidden poverty is such a challenge. And how that challenge manifests when we think about our community centres is how do we then reach the communities who really need this most when that space is so shared? And, actually, this hidden poverty means a lot of families don't want to come forward and they don't want to present themselves to services knowing the lives that their neighbours live quite so well as they do. So, I wanted to ask you a bit more about how you reach the communities in your area. And I think you could rightly point to all the great benefits having this partnership like health brings you. But it would be really helpful, I think, for us to think about what other strategies you use. And then, when you do get that community, how do you make sure the centre is driven by the right parts of the community that really need that empowerment? Thanks. It's a really interesting question. And we're having to sort of think about it almost in the opposite direction because the area is developing a lot. And, again, if you come now, you'll sort of see high-rise buildings sort of popping up left, right and centre. And those buildings, although, obviously, they will have to comply with the sort of new, you know, the laws on percentages of affordable, et cetera, et cetera, a lot of it is definitely way out of the price range of the community as we know it now. So, there's this high-rise building that was just, you know, finished six months ago, just on the opposite side of the A12. And I asked what the sort of, and that sort of two-bedroom flats, and I asked what the sort of monthly rent was, and it was a note of 2,000 pounds. So, that which is obviously completely unaffordable for, you know, all of the members of the community who come to the centre. So, we have to think about it in almost the other way. The first thing that I would say is that when we talk about community, we do talk about community and the whole, because this whole notion of having a space and a place is relevant for all of us, and I think COVID has sort of seen that. And, again, in our community, Islington is quite nice and leafy for people who are sort of stuck there in a high-rise. The fact that there is a nice park is also relevant. So, we're sort of trying to sort of think about community in that sort of broader sense and can see value of some of the aspects of what we do to be open to everybody. Because, you know, again, bringing people together in itself, we think, could be quite relevant. So, I do think that that is important as a basic. Then there are some activities that we run which are based on particular conditions and particular referrals. So, for instance, our social prescribing service is specifically if somebody has been referred by a GP. So, social prescribing is that model, you know, of real sort of collaboration with the GPs. So, that is then the GP who sort of says, no, this person would benefit. And there is a link there, obviously, with some of the social determinants. And our ESOL classes, for instance, are specifically for people who meet certain criteria and so forth. So, for me, it is quite sort of important to stay true to that sort of starting notion of community and all members of the community, you know, that sort of aspect of place and space. And almost seeing that it could be quite beneficial of having different parts of the community coming together. And then having some services and some activities that are then more targeted in the way that they are set up. No, thank you. That's really helpful. I think, just so I can understand fully, you're suggesting that mainly it's really it's referrals to you from, say, the GP and different stakeholders you have already. But I'm curious if you do any specific kinds of outreach as well or anything like that. Yeah, so certain of our activities have referrals and so forth. A lot of it is just people sort of walking in and sort of engagement and so forth and people knowing of us. But again, that is something that we've built up over 40 years. People know in the local community that we have an advice service. People know in the local community that we, you know, help them with their energy bill. So, and if I'm really honest, yes, we do our social media. We do engagement and outreach, word of mouth and some of these things is incredibly powerful, incredibly powerful. But again, it goes back to that sort of core purpose, right? Because I could really understand, you know, limited resources. How do you make sure that they are targeted? But, you know, our model is really that sort of community, which is the broad definition. And then within that, based on that, you then have targeted activities. And, you know, if you keep, and this is, again, that's why the sort of short-term funding, I think, really goes, is a real challenge, right? Because, again, people know and trust us because we've been doing it for a long time. Relationships in a community that takes time to build trust because it is very difficult for people to ask for help. I think, for help, I think people really underestimate how difficult people find it to ask and access help. And, again, you know, that relationship that we have is very, very important in terms of that. Thank you. Thank you so much. Just your mic before. Thank you. I'm Councillor Turbino. Thank you, and thanks for coming and sharing. Really fascinating, and I'm sure there's lots of your excellent practice we'll be able to take forward as part of this scrutiny review as kind of inspiring and best practice for our own provision. Three questions, if I may. Firstly, I'd be really interested to hear, within that statutory income, what the split is between local authority, health, and other sources of statutory income. Secondly, I'd love to hear a little bit more about the outcomes framework and to ask whether you'd be willing to share that with the committee, because I think that would be really interesting for us to consider as to whether that's something we might like to replicate or might inspire us in some way around our recommendations. And then, finally, very aware that you'll be working in a different context in Tower Hamlets with a different local authority, but I'm sure there'll be some valuable learning in terms of what does effective partnership with your local authority look like from your perspective. So, yeah, so the broader definition of statutory income, so our largest income stream is a contract with Tower Hamlets to do social care, so that's the largest amount, single amount per year. But then we have health, again, at various levels, again, I've been there for three years, I still haven't really figured out how health money flows at various sort of levels and different sort of organisations. So, we have some money from the GCN, so we have some money from the GCN, so primary care network, we have some money from the local mental health trust, we have some money from BART, we have some money from the GP care group, which is a local KIC, and working with, so health funding is, wow. So, and then we do have some money from Tower Hamlets as well, and we used to have some DWP money, but as a sub, and that's fallen away, so we're hoping to sort of get that back, given some of the sort of priorities of the new government. So, it is a real patchwork, the conversation that I would like to have, I'm now sort of jumping to your third question, the conversation that I would like to have with the council, which I've tried to have, but, you know, not enough, and with the right people, and in the right strategic forms, is core funding. Because for me, when I sort of think about, you know, the Bromley Barbeau Centre, it's not about me, it's not about our organisation, I mean, I love my staff, but it's not even about them, it's about what we do in the community. And again, 5,500 individuals in our particular area. Most of those individuals will have families, families with older generations, and quite a few kids. So, you can only think about how many people that represents, 50% of them, 50% of them live within one mile of the centre. I can tell you with absolute confidence, if we're not there providing that support, they're not accessing it. I can say that with absolute confidence. So, take us out, and imagine the hole that would be left in that particular ward. So, that's the conversation that I would like to have with the local authority, about some proper core strategic funding. That's the vision, obviously. We're not there at that point, at this point in time, that there's no hook. I don't have the right hook to have that conversation. In terms of outcome framework, absolutely, I'm very happy to sort of send a link. We have some information that is very easily shareable. But, again, I would really sort of, I know that you're very, very busy, but if you ever wanted to come and visit, I'd be very happy to sort of invite the person who is responsible for our impact management to talk to you in more detail. Thank you so much. Councillor McGooghan, can I recommend if members can keep to a maximum of two questions, and then sort of we can, then if we have, we'll come back around. Councillor McGooghan. Yeah, thanks for the presentation. I was interested, I mean, I'll keep looking at this photograph, the Skyview photograph, because, you know, the centre's obviously wedged in between Canary Wharf and the Olympics legacy. And I wonder, particularly the Olympic legacy being so recent, but I was interested, as you mentioned, 40 years ago, because that would have been the time of London Docklands development. And I just wonder, because that, to me, that had a massive impact on the local community in that region. And I just wonder, because I can see the inequalities out of that development in Docklands. And I just, it's great that you've really thrived, the community centres and the health centres thrived. I just want, has there been, I mean, one question would be like, from the Olympic legacy, has there been any funding from that? There's been sort of piecemeal funding, nothing sort of substantial of the like that I'm talking about, because absolutely, you know, you think about Canary Wharf and the Olympic Park, you would have thought that, you know, being involved in the local community is part, you know, we're talking ESG now, et cetera, et cetera, right? That that would be an obvious thing. So there's been sort of opportunities piecemeal, but nothing strategic, fundamental, long term. It's really interesting, because, again, to sort of, you know, your point about sort of how things are integrated here in Islington, and in our particular area, they feel sort of really separate in a certain way. So, you know, the Olympic Park is, what, 15 minute, 20 minute walk from the centre. And I was invited a couple of times to join this board about community engagement. And it's like you're on a different planet. It's literally, you know, there's no connection. No connection. There's no connection. The A12 cuts across. And there's another community that we've now started working on. And, again, that's a 50-minute walk on the other side, but on the other side of the A12. And, again, the communities are just not connected. So really thinking about how you connect things. And, you know, I'm probably saying something that you all know, but location, location, location, location, it does really matter, right? So thinking about where people will go and not go. And they won't walk 10 minutes if it's in the wrong direction. So, you know, do it, huh? Do it, can I just have one more question? Just, are you just quickly following up on that? No, Chair, I just wanted to flag the time. And I am constrained. And I have a last final train at 9.20. I am going to need to leave in five minutes. So I'm wondering if the committee had any direct questions for me as an officer because I will need to withdraw. Okay. Members, do we have any? So, at what point? I don't want you to miss that New Year train, no? No, no, no. Sure. Just regarding the board, you said, like, there's a board because it's a charity status. Is that made up of, like, local residents, GP, experts? Is there any councillors, local councillors involved? So we are a membership organisation. So we have different levels of government. So we have a member, a membership group of about 70 official members. The number of active members is much, much smaller than that. And that sort of local residents, they might have been local residents 20 years ago and moved out, et cetera, et cetera. But so we are a membership organisation. And I think that's quite powerful in terms, again, of the principles of, you know, voice, et cetera, and empowerment. We then have a board and we have now nine members. Five of them are ordinary members, so application and then a selection process. And in the last round, we specifically wanted somebody who was more connected to the local community because it is something that we have struggled with a little bit. So I think it's a very, very relevant question to ask and something to really think about. Not always easy, but definitely very important. And then we also have four co-opted members of the board. And those are, you know, representatives of our strategic partners. And although the funding is not where I would want it to be, we do consider Tower Hamlets a strategic partner, so they do have a seat on the board. Engagement between these four walls is not as good as I would like it to be. Okay. Thank you so much. Councilor Michael Sullivan. Oh, hi. I've worked in the voluntary sector for several decades on and off. And I've also chaired various voluntary organisations. Yeah, yeah. My question is, do you work with core funding as a key one? Now, every organisation, voluntary organisation, suffers from the same thing. You get money for the project. The project lasts a few years, goes away. And they have to constantly, constantly fundraise. I've never thought of working, say, with organisations like Locality, you know, and, say, Trust for London, to set up the campaign for core funding for voluntary organisations like yourself, community centres like yourself, so that when, you know, government largesse comes and goes, so that when the government largesse collapses, change of government, there are at least something left preserved that can be more or less put in a lifeboat. and kept alive till the next uptick of resources. The other thing, outreach. You might consider, Islington has an organisation called Help on Your Doorstep, which actually goes out and door knocks people. Yeah. Well, we're a very good model. I assume you have something similar in Tower Hamlets. In terms of the core funding, this is a conversation. I used to be a funder before becoming a Charity Chief Exec, and the conversation around core funding has been going on for decades, decades. And some funders are moving in that direction, which is very, very welcome. I think many funders are still not there. And then, obviously, organisations such as ourselves, we also depend on contracts and, yeah, the more statutory funding, which obviously then, you know, it conflicts. But we are a member of locality, and we have these conversations. But, again, this is something that I'm sure your local VCS organisations would absolutely support. And, again, as a council, you'd be very progressive if you sort of shifted some of your funding to be more akin to core or offer at least more flexibility. It's the restricted nature of the funding that, I think, is a problem. And then door knocking, we absolutely do from time to time. Yeah. And, again, it's really about sort of going out, talking to people in the street, go and knock on their doors, be where people go, basically, absolutely. Absolutely. That's a vital way of engaging. Thank you so much. Dave? Dave? All right. Sounds great. Brilliant. But it's a bit of a coup d'etat. You seem to be doing a lot of work that I'd expect the council to be doing. It's when do you start overlapping with the council and you seem to be doing a little bit of a better job. All you've got to do is start doing the bins and you're in, you know. But then part of the land is a private developer owned and part of the land is the council, which you take care of. With the private development crashing in on you, have you got guarantees from both these parties that they're not going to squash it? And I just hope the council are doing no part because you seem to be doing a hell of a lot for 5,000 odd people and I've not heard anything from the council coming to your aid or your rescue or to give you funding and especially if you're doing a lot of their work. And Isleten would love to have three acres of land like that just to develop on. Thank you. Where do I start? So the land thing, you know, I'll start there because I always say that when people come to visit the Bromley-Babeau model, the Bromley-Babeau centre, I always say we are in an actual position to have those three acres. And when I talk about the model, I never say, here is Bromley-Babeau in a box, let's take it and replicate because that's not possible. It wouldn't be the right thing because, you know, you need to adjust it for the local community. But also there's a couple of things that came together to create, to enable the Bromley-Babeau model and some of these things aren't easily replicated. So I absolutely take that. It doesn't mean, though, that there's some of the principles that I think you can sort of take away and that's the conversation here, I suppose. Because in terms of the role of the council, I found that a really interesting one. Again, you know, before joining the Bromley-Babeau Centre, I was at the National Lottery Community Fund. And one of the conversations that we always had was, we are not going to fund what the government should pay for. Now, I was there in increasingly senior positions in the age of austerity, I can tell you that the goalpost shifted quite a bit as I was sort of, you know, like around social care. You know, the bars, you know, went up and up and up and the voluntary sector, not just the Bromley-Babeau Centre, but the voluntary sector started having to go where previously the government had gone. So, again, this is not a conversation that is just relevant to the Bromley-Babeau Centre. I think this is a conversation that the voluntary sector and a voice that the voluntary sector, I think, has been trying to raise for years now. To give you a very specific example in terms of the implications of that and some of the reflections that I've made to myself in the last sort of couple of years, ESOL. So, we are in a community where over 60% are Bangladeshi heritage, very high numbers of low levels of English. So, ESOL classes, kind of vital, especially if you think about accessing anything else. digital literacy, incredibly poor in our local area, absolutely vital to access any local authority support. Cost of living crisis, we had a meeting at the centre and the representative of the council was there, 40 different pots of support, four, zero, different applications, all online, all online. Now, you put that model in a community where the need is high, levels of English, poor, and digital skills, poor. People are not going to access the support. You can have conversations around the levels of support, but, you know, even the level of support that's available, people have real challenges accessing it. So, we provide ESOL classes. And then, some of the funding that we had access to disappeared because it came from the GLA and, you know, that we were a sub and so we didn't get the funding anymore. And we previously had 100 people having access to ESOL classes a year. We had a waiting list on those 100, but then we couldn't provide the support for those 100 people. So, we know for a fact that there's 100 people who would have had access to ESOL did not get access anymore. And I was putting in an application with one of these trusts and foundations and we were going through the selection process and out of 5 or 10 or 20 applications, we were one of two. And we had to go and present and talk, etc., etc. And then we got the news. We didn't get it. And the reflection that I then went back home with is, damn, we didn't do a good enough job to get that funding, which means we can't provide people with ESOL classes. And then the next day, I sort of made the reflection to myself, is it fair that because of my inability as an individual to convince random corporate person number one that we're the right organization to fund, that people in my local community can't access ESOL classes? It's a difficult conversation to have, isn't it? Thank you. Thank you so much. I'm just going to, one question, I'm mindful of time, and I think you've really given us great, in-depth, some innovative approach there. And I think I'm not too sure how the other members of the community might want it, but definitely might want to take you on that offer of coming to see how it's on ground. We just need to find a way where that fits in. I'm sure we'd like to see it, but so that way I might actually go further in some of the questions that I have. I think it's good to have a look and then be able to execute the question. But I've got one question, one as Eastlington resident, and one that has got people coming in from different places coming to see your model. And I'm sure you probably have had a preview of what might be happening in Eastlington and you think, hmm. So I guess my question now would be, what do you think we're doing in Eastlington that we could do differently in this space? I mean, we sort of had an interesting conversation in advance. And again, I mean, there's many things. But, you know, the reality is resources are scarce. You know, that's a given. Need is to hide. Resources are scarce. I think these connections with health, starting to bring some of that together across, you know. A person isn't, we don't fit into a single box, right? We're complex individuals, and especially then for the people that we're trying to support. In a context of such need and such scarce resources, we cannot duplicate. We cannot have people falling between the cracks. We have to bring things together more. And that, for me, is really something that I think, if you're having this conversation, don't do it in a silo. Don't do it in a silo. And, you know, you have, I'm sure, a great sector in the borough. Residents who have some of the means to support that, build on that. Bring them in. Bring the voluntary sector organisations in. Don't duplicate. Don't do things in silo. Bring it together. There's just too much to do and not enough resource to do it in isolation. Bring it together. That would be my starting point. That makes sense. Thank you. I see the staff member, I'll let you say something. Just a response to that, if I may, Chair. Thank you so much for coming. And it's been really interesting to talk to you. I think it was just something that the Vice Chair said, you know, how do you get people in because people are, you know, people don't want to present themselves to services, I think is the phrase you use. And I just thought it's interesting that, you know, going back to what Dean says about are you doing work that the council should be doing and so on. But sometimes, you know, an organisation like yours is the one best place precisely because residents don't feel they're presenting themselves to services. They feel like they're showing up in a lovely community space and they are therefore accessing services. But what you said there about co-location is something we want to take on board, we're doing it in some ways in our Access Islington Hubs. But I'm just thinking about, you know, in my ward archway, we're building some council houses, some private homes, and also a new GP practice and also a new library. And so it's interesting to think that that library is not just a place to borrow books, it's a community space and we should be thinking about those as community hubs too. Yeah, absolutely. I think, you know, again, we are lucky in terms of the space that we have, but we're going out as well, you know, some of our activities. We don't just, our space and our place is important to us and it's absolutely core to what we do, but we don't limit our delivery to those spaces. And for instance, one of the things that we've just started to do and to develop is we are now working with one of the local housing associations that we work really well and that we know really well and who we work with closely. And we have this thing called the Welcome Hub that's basically our open door where people can just sort of come in and talk to somebody and get support. We are doing that type of model in their main building. So we are taking some of the principles of our model into the head office of a housing association because it's a place and a space. People have to go there. So why not use that space for broader engagement? Thank you so much. Just a final question. How many people do you have in your workforce? So it varies. So we're about sort of 70 full-time equivalent and that's about 56, 57 part... Sorry, 70 members of staff equivalent to about 56, 57 full-time equivalent. We have quite a lot of part-time workers. Thank you so much. I'm sure the committee would join me to say a special thank you to Andy for the presentation in depth and it's been really insightful and taking your very first official working week of the year to come and share with us here in East Linton. I apologize for the chamber of not being too warm. It's normally much warmer. That's a lot. Yes. I was trying to keep the spirit up. So but I say thank you. You've promised to share certain information with us so please we will take you on that and the team will do it is to kind of figure out how best we can do that visit as well. So thank you so much. Well, I would say we've actually got just... Just for noting here is our work programme. Is there anything to flag up on that? May. Yeah, Chair. I'm sorry. I am concerned about February. It's quite overloaded. It'll be on the work programme. And what is of concern is item five, housing association scrutiny. I remember last year we had a full... I think it was almost a full meeting where housing associations were scrutinised quite heavy and it was quite constructive questions from the public as well. And I just think that's an item on itself. I think also the use of... Item three, use of agency and contractors and repairs is another kind of... It seems we're squeezing February in quite a lot and I think we need to think again that probably a number of issues need to be separated. I totally agree with you. I've had a glance of it and I was going to actually make sure an email gets sent out. Now, I would say that there are a couple of decisions to make there, which is the housing association. I need to know how many have actually confirmed to attend. If not, then one would probably say to the committee to have that on the upper one because as many of the housing associations that we can have, the better. And yes, so there is a decision there to make but allow me to... We've all got back here. Allow me to have some conversation and also maybe with the vice chair and a couple of the officers I really need to know that we've got those housing associations people coming before. Can I just make a proposal? So I definitely agree with what Councillor Hogan said that we should trim down what we're doing in February but in any event, because there's quite a few really important items on here and we will be time constrained, it might be good to have a pre-meeting in February. I think if we've got different housing associations, a lot of us will have the same concerns so we can just think of it before the meeting who might say what and how we'll present it so we get the most out of it. Just a comment. Before when we had the housing associations coming in, they would all say they was coming and hardly any of them turned up. We had major problems with them. Look, I haven't chaired this meeting for the number of years and my understanding of the relationship with the council with the housing association is still one that probably needs developing and I don't know at this point we hope in good spirit that they do turn up and engage us accordingly hence why I want to make sure that we're going to actually have some people be there so if not we have to move it but I also take on board work councillor and I just said that in terms of a pre-me I wouldn't say we have a pre-me for every meeting but I would say if we know the housing association are coming I think it would be nice for us to be more sort of united because to our approach in terms of you know questioning and especially if it is for February definitely we need to have a pre-me but please do look out for your email or some sort of notification by or anyone from the team as well yes yeah just very quickly on that point what I found last time when we added all the housing associations in was they they came in with a prepared speech they didn't answer any questions they came in saying well we didn't know we were going to ask that so we might come back to you at some point they never have so it might be an idea to have prepared stuff that we want them to come in with and let us know the answers too because we don't we don't want to know a situation where we get we have a big meeting and all we're getting is people saying we'll get back to you we'll get back to you we'll get back to you we need to know the answers again good observation and good point I think it's still going to come down to are we going to have those housing associations there and yes leave that with me to deal with the offices or the office at least we to confirm they are coming and with that coming those questions yeah I agree some questions should be raised beforehand at least some specific answers for that you know particular area that you might have in mind so I do welcome that again but I think a confirmation but I do want the committee to stay open to the thought that it might not be in February I'm very conscious that it might not be in February and then it goes in the next one which is in March but if it's in February yes to throw in some questions before I'm really trying to avoid a situation they don't turn up because of I don't know how the invites have happened but I do want the invites to happen and assurance that they're coming and the rest of it and let them know that we are going to be informing for example what I would like is the housing association to know that we are going to be informing their residents or their tenants that they're coming to sort of that I need something to ensure that I mean they're watching I would like you to be here so we're all here we're all the same team we just want to you know showcase some of the housing association for record has been doing amazing stuff so unless it's not you know so yeah so I welcome those as well to come and tell us those amazing stuff that they're doing as well final one I really I was just going to say can we have a similar approach to contractors okay I don't see why not too so then if you do have your questions I think you should send them across yeah okay thank you do you have anything well if there is nothing else I would just say please there are some visits that is lined up I would ensure I would really encourage that people try and engage that's part of the wider conversation and they still engage that even if you can't make it I'm trying to tell a lot to make sure it's more than one so that you know one in the daytime one in the evening but please we want we want members to really fit into at least our final and thank you so much and with that I would say thank you very for stepping in as well and if there's nothing else bring it to the end thank you thank you thank you
Summary
The committee discussed a report on housing performance in the second quarter of the financial year and then heard a presentation from Elie Dedecker, the Chief Executive of the Bromley by Bow Centre, on their approach to community centres. They then discussed the upcoming schedule for the committee.
Housing Performance
Councillor Ian Swift, Director of Housing Operations, introduced the second quarter performance report.
The report found that performance had been strong across most metrics, but highlighted that the number of people in temporary accommodation had increased by 16.3% in the past year, that there had been a 50% rise in homelessness due to no-fault evictions, and that 65% of complaints upheld by the Housing Ombudsman related to repairs.
There has also been a 50% rise in homelessness due to no-fault evictions in the past year.
The committee then discussed the reasons for the rise in no-fault evictions and the lack of registration of private landlords with the council. Councillor Swift explained:
The, the reason, uh, landlords are evicting, uh, tenants is because we've seen in Islington a 14% increase in rents, uh, in the private rented sector in the last 12 months, 14% the year before. But yet the local housing allowance rate, which is the rate set by central governments, has not increased for next financial year. So the tenants can no longer afford the rent since the rent has gone up 28% and the housing benefit hasn't gone up. Um, the landlord is now evicting those tenants who are then coming to the council as homeless and then letting it to people who can afford the 28% rent increase. So everything the council tries to do to prevent homelessness, we're doing, uh, but unfortunately the market that we're working in, in Islington is aligned with what the local residents needs are.
Councillor Angelo Weeks, Executive Member for Community Safety, agreed to report back to the committee in February with an update on private landlord registration.
Councillor Toby North asked for a breakdown of the length of time that repairs took to complete, as the report only showed that 81% were completed within 20 days. Mike Hall, Assistant Director of Property Services, agreed to report back with this information.
Councillor North also raised concerns about the increase in anti-social behaviour and asked for more detail on the effectiveness of the council's new policy. Councillor Swift explained that a new structure will be introduced on 1 April that will improve the council's response, and that the Housing Ombudsman has noted the improvements made to the service over the past 12 months.
Councillor Diarmaid Ward asked about the increase in rough sleeping, and if it could be attributed to the closure of COVID-19 support schemes. Councillor Swift agreed to remove this explanation from future reports.
Dean Donaghy praised the council's record on gas, fire and water safety checks, especially in light of recent tragic events elsewhere in the country.
Councillor Michael O'Sullivan asked for more detail on asbestos safety checks, first-time fixes, and complaints about repairs. Mr Hall explained that asbestos checks are a rolling programme that will be completed by the end of the financial year and that 80% of homes have now been checked. He also agreed to report back with more information about first-time fixes and a breakdown of the number of repeat visits for the same issue. Councillor O'Sullivan asked for more information on the fines that Islington had incurred from the Housing Ombudsman for maladministration. Councillor Swift explained that £93,000 in fines had been levied against the council in the last 12 months, and that 65% of these related to repairs.
Bromley by Bow Centre
Ms Hughes introduced Ms Dedecker and explained that the committee had asked to hear evidence from other providers on their approaches to community centres. She said:
So, tonight, I am delighted. It sounds like a television program, but it isn't. I'm delighted to have Ellie Dedecker with us this evening, who is the chief executive of the Bromley by Bow Centre.
Um, for those of you who may not have heard of the Bromley by Bow Centre, it is a hub in Tower Hamlets in East London. It has got a national, a local, an international, uh, reputation and recognition for the great work that they do in serving the population, uh, in their local area in Tower Hamlets.
Ms Dedecker explained that the Bromley by Bow Centre is a charity and described its unique partnership with the NHS and Tower Hamlets Council that allows it to provide integrated support to the community from a three-acre site.
She highlighted that funding was the centre's biggest challenge, stating that:
We receive no-call funding. So, we have to fundraise for every single little bit of activity that we do. We have, on the P&L, bottom line of about 3 million, or top line of about 3 million, we have about 100 to 140 income streams at any point in time.
Councillor North asked about the centre's outcome framework and its partnership with Tower Hamlets Council. Ms Dedecker agreed to share more information about the framework and explained that the centre receives a lot of statutory funding from Tower Hamlets to deliver social care services, and that the council has a seat on the centre's board.
Councillor Diarmaid Ward noted that the centre is situated in an area with clear inequalities and asked how they reach the most deprived members of the community. Ms Dedecker explained that outreach is mostly done via word-of-mouth and social media, but also through partnerships with other organisations, including GPs.
Councillor O'Sullivan asked if the centre had considered working with other organisations to lobby for more core funding for community organisations. Ms Dedecker agreed that core funding would be welcome and highlighted that she had been advocating for it for many years.
Dean Donaghy noted that the centre appeared to be doing a lot of work that the council should be doing, and asked what guarantees they have that the site would be protected from development, especially as some of the land is owned by private developers. Ms Dedecker agreed that Islington Council would probably like to develop the centre's site if they could, and that there are few guarantees. She then highlighted the challenges faced by the voluntary sector in filling the gaps left by government cuts. She said:
ESOL. So, we are in a community where over 60% are Bangladeshi heritage, very high numbers of low levels of English. So, ESOL classes, kind of vital, especially if you think about accessing anything else. Digital literacy, incredibly poor in our local area, absolutely vital to access any local authority support. Cost of living crisis, we had a meeting at the centre and the representative of the council was there, 40 different pots of support, four, zero, different applications, all online, all online. Now, you put that model in a community where the need is high, levels of English, poor, and digital skills, poor. People are not going to access the support.
Councillor Jackson asked for Ms Dedecker's views on how Islington can improve its approach to community centres. She replied:
In a context of such need and such scarce resources, we cannot duplicate. We cannot have people falling between the cracks. We have to bring things together more. And that, for me, is really something that I think, if you're having this conversation, don't do it in a silo. Don't do it in a silo. And, you know, you have, I'm sure, a great sector in the borough. Residents who have some of the means to support that, build on that. Bring them in. Bring the voluntary sector organisations in. Don't duplicate. Don't do things in silo. Bring it together. There's just too much to do and not enough resource to do it in isolation. Bring it together. That would be my starting point.
Ms Hughes then highlighted that:
But sometimes, you know, an organisation like yours is the one best place precisely because residents don't feel they're presenting themselves to services. They feel like they're showing up in a lovely community space and they are therefore accessing services.
She then suggested that co-location of services could be a key part of the committee's recommendations, and gave the example of a new development in Archway that will include a new GP surgery, library and council homes.
Work Programme
Councillor Diarmaid Ward raised concerns about the number of items on the February work programme. Councillor Jackson agreed that the committee should be mindful of this and said he would send an email out to confirm the arrangements. There was then discussion about whether the scrutiny of housing associations and contractors should take place in February or be moved to March. Councillor Jackson agreed to confirm arrangements with the officers and members.
Councillor North highlighted that last time the committee heard from housing associations, many did not attend and the others arrived with pre-prepared speeches that did not address the committee's concerns. Councillor O'Sullivan agreed with this and suggested that the committee send questions to housing associations in advance of the meeting. Councillor Jackson agreed that this was a good idea and asked members to send him any questions they had.
Dean Donaghy then suggested that the committee take a similar approach with contractors, and Councillor Jackson agreed.
Attendees
- Ben Mackmurdie
- Hannah McHugh
- Ilkay Cinko-Oner
- Jason Jackson
- Michael O'Sullivan
- Mick Gilgunn
- Phil Graham
- Toby North
- Dean Donaghey
- Rose Marie McDonald
Documents
- Second Agenda Despatch 06th-Jan-2025 19.30 Homes and Communities Scrutiny Committee agenda
- 202425 Housing Scrutiny Performance Report Q2 revised
- Agenda frontsheet 06th-Jan-2025 19.30 Homes and Communities Scrutiny Committee agenda
- Public reports pack 06th-Jan-2025 19.30 Homes and Communities Scrutiny Committee reports pack
- Minutes 07112024 Homes and Communities Scrutiny Committee other
- 202425 Housing Scrutiny Performance Report Q2
- Housing Scrutiny Committee Work Programme 202425