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The amount of funding that they get isn't enough. I think it was 50 million that the government loaned them last year, and it's more than that for the next financial year, from my last conversation with their chief exec. And that's the territory and the kind of decision you get into. And just to throw it, just before I bring cancer up here, I see Alan's there from Newton. I mean, Alan, you've obviously, Newton's obviously done work with a number of local authorities. Is there a Newton stage two in terms of a further round of transformation, or from your perspective, is it, as Helen is saying, that really nothing else can then be done, say, for rationing? From a wider perspective, if you've got any observations on this debate? Yeah, thank you for that. I think I would agree with Helen that the next sets of decisions are probably pretty challenging in the rounds, specifically for the bigger savings. If there was something to go after, and what we see kind of across the country and other local authorities, is once you get to this point, and you've kind of basically, as you say, like kind of rationed everything down, and you've put as much effort into transformation as you have, then the next big thing to go after is often more in the prevention space. Now, the thing to caveat that with is, while it does have the ability to allow residents to live longer, live more independently, and have significant savings, and the challenge with all that is, is it doesn't hit your financial picture and window within the next few years, so it is much more of a long-term thing. So I think in that sense, while, yes, there could be more to go after, it's not the kind of activity that would be immediately supporting your financial position. Because you need to front load, in terms of the financial model. 50 million that the government loaned them last year, and it's more than that, for the next financial year, from my last conversation with their chief executive. And that's the territory and the kind of decision you get into. And just before I bring cancer, I see Alan's there from Newton. I mean, Alan, you've obviously, Newton's obviously done work with a number of local authorities. Is there a Newton stage two, in terms of a further round of transformation, or from your perspective, is it, as Helen is saying, that really nothing else can then be done, say, for rationing? From a wider perspective, have you got any observations on this debate? Yeah, thank you for that. I think I would agree with Helen that the next sets of decisions are probably pretty challenging in the rounds, specifically for the bigger savings. If there was something to go after, and what we see kind of across the country and other local authorities, is once you get to this point, and you've kind of cut, basically, as you say, like kind of rationed everything down, and you've put as much effort into transformation as you have, then the next big thing to go after is often more in the prevention space. Now, the thing to caveat that with is, while it does have the ability to allow residents to live longer, live more independently, and have significant savings, the challenge with all that is, is it doesn't hit your financial picture and window within the next few years. So it is much more of a long-term thing. So I think in that sense, while, yes, there could be more to go after, it's not the kind of activity that would be immediately supporting your financial position. That makes sense. You know. Absolutely. plasticity. Those issues aren't just kind of where have been taken. I apologize. But the big thing to say is, you know, some answers should visit. No, I hope everything.