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Good evening everyone and welcome to the licensing subcommittee. My name is councillor Shubo Hussain and I am the chair of the licensing subcommittee. The meeting is being held in person. Committee members and key participants who are present in the meeting room. There may be some who are also joining us online.
They will be also filming in this meeting. So it's filmed for the council's website. And I would like to remind all the members at the meeting to only speak on my direction and to speak clearly into their microphones to ensure that their contributions can be properly recorded. Can I now ask members and officers to introduce themselves? I'll start off with the members please.
Good evening, Chair. Sorry for being late. Councillor Farouk Ahmed, watchable word. Thank you.
Good evening, Chair and everyone. My name is Mushtaq Ahmed, Councillor Mushtaq Ahmed and I'm from Bethnalgan West. Thank you.
Could I now ask the officers to kindly introduce themselves please?
David Wong from Legal Services, here to provide legal advice to the councillors.
Simi Yasmin, Democratic Services.
Corinne Holland, Licensing Officer.
I forgot to mention, does anyone have any declarations?
I don't have anything to declare, Chair.
Nothing to declare.
Nothing from myself too.
Could I now ask Simi if there's been any apologies?
No, Chair, no apologies for absence.
Do, can members please note the rules and procedures on pages 9 to 18 of the agenda?
Thumbs up?
Yeah, very good.
And now can members please note and agree the minutes of the meeting held on the 4th of March 2025 on pages 90 to 28?
Nice one.
Now could I ask, now in terms of reports for consideration,
we've got application for a new premises licence for Victoria Wharf Studios,
Tensdale Road, London E32 NT, which is on pages 29 to 100.
Simi, could you kindly announce those in attendance please?
Thank you, Chair.
For this application we have Mr Rees Rose, who's the agent, who's present in person,
and Mr Thomas Fletcher, who's the applicant, who's also present at the meeting.
We also have Nicola Kadzo, presenting environmental health, who's made an objection and present in person.
We have Yuri Lee, who's joined us virtually, again in objection.
And we have Iona Constantino, present and in support of the application.
After the application has been presented, the applicant will be invited to speak
and will be given a total of five minutes to make their representation.
I will let each speaker know whether they have one minute remaining,
so each party will have five minutes each to speak.
Chair, I believe there have been two other representatives who have requested to speak
but haven't joined the meeting yet.
So if they do attend while we're having the meeting, then obviously we'll call them to speak,
but if they do miss the meeting, then obviously their written representation will be noted and considered by members.
Thank you, Simi.
Could I kindly ask Corrine Holland, the licensing officer, to introduce the report, please?
Thank you, Chair.
This is an application for a new premises licence for Vittoria Wharf Studios of 10 Stour Road.
I would just like some sort of confirmation when the applicant speaks about whether it's just Unit 4
because there's reference in some submissions I've seen saying it's only Unit 4 that they occupy
and yet the current licence and the application doesn't state that.
So if that could be clarified.
The applicant has described the premises as a single-room, multi-purpose studio and event space.
This premises was granted licence on the 25th of June last year.
So you can see what the current licence is.
So although this is a new licence application, it's sort of technically a variation to the existing licence.
The copy of the application is in Appendix 1 on page 38 to 57.
The hours that have been applied for, for regulated entertainment, is Thursday 11 till midnight,
but that is no change from the current licence.
And Friday to Saturday is 11pm to 3am.
So that's technically a two-hour extension as they currently have 1am.
The sale of alcohol is for on-sales only.
Monday to Wednesday is 11 till 11pm.
There's no change in those hours from the current licence.
Thursday is 11 till midnight and there's no change from the current licence.
And then on Friday, although the report shows that they're both a two-hour extension to their current hours.
And Sunday is no change at 10am to 11pm.
The opening hours are 30 minutes beyond those hours.
A plan of the premises is shown in Appendix 2 on page 59.
A map showing the vicinity in Appendix 3, page 61.
There's some photographs which have been included in Appendix 4 on page 63 and 64.
And then other licence premises in the vicinity are in Appendix 5 and this is page 66 to 69.
This hearing is required because relevant representations have been received with one of those conditions
because we believe it could be a fire escape door that is being requested to be kept locked.
So at this stage, that is for you to consider.
There's a representation from Tim Hull, who's the noise officer, Appendix 7, page 73 to 75.
Nicola's here representing him.
And then there's resident representations from Appendix 8 to Appendix 13, which is page 77 to 88.
There's some support to 32 to 34 in section 7 of the report are conditions which are consistent with the operating schedule,
which seem to be the conditions that are on the licence currently.
I have also seen in an email from Mr. Rose that condition 18 appeared to be missing out of the application.
And that was regarding a sound limiter.
So the condition that's number 8.
Do members have any questions to the licensing officer?
Just a quick one for a clarification.
So the existing licence and the current one, did you say technically it is a new application or is it a different application?
They've applied for a new premises licence, but they already have a premises licence.
So what I'm saying is technically they're applying for two hours more on a Friday and a Saturday,
although it's a new application and not a variation to their existing one.
Don't know why that's been done, but obviously they are entitled to apply for either.
Thank you. Application, please. You've got five minutes.
Good afternoon, Chair, Committee and Officers.
Thank you for taking the time to hear our application today.
So this new premises licence application, as mentioned, is essentially a request to extend the opening hours on Friday and Saturday
from 1am to 3am with the 30-minute cooling down.
That's the sale of alcohol and recorded music.
We also wanted to make sure that we seem to be picking up complaints for the greater area of 10 Stower Road,
which is shown on page 61 of the agenda pack, on the digital agenda pack.
It shows the whole of the warehouse with the blue line around it.
And we are only a very small area in the bottom right-hand corner closest to the canal,
which is 11 by 13 metres, a single room on the second floor.
So whenever there are complaints going in at the moment for anywhere in 10 Stower Road,
we seem to be receiving those against our licence.
We've demonstrated to the environmental health team, Tim, through communications as part of this process,
that the complaints that have been made in the last six months are not actually us,
and that we weren't open or trading at the times that the complaints that were made were there.
And we provided CCTV to show that for the most recent one.
We want to make sure that we're licensed for our area, not for the whole of the premises,
because they're in excess of 20 units, and it's one of the old Hackney Wick warehouse districts,
where there are a lot of live-work studio units, and there's still quite a lot of the old Hackney activity in there,
which is they do a lot of private hires, they do a lot of private parties, things like that.
And we specifically applied for the original licence to ensure that we were operating legally,
and with the ability to be accountable for what we're doing,
so that we could be found and we could be communicated with,
and we were doing everything above board, we were conditioned,
and we wanted to run it properly.
So, basically, when we were applying for the licence last year,
in our pre-consultation, we discussed a 3am finish,
and we were requesting to bring that back to midnight.
We went to hearing because we felt that 1am was more reasonable than we would 1am finish in hearing last year for the current licence.
We were also told that once we demonstrated that we were capable of operating successfully with the current licence,
that we should come back and apply for a later extension, which is why we're here now, basically.
As part of this application, we sought pre-consultation from responsible authorities,
and we tried to get as close to where we could for it,
with everything in terms of clearing up conditions beforehand.
Over the last couple of weeks, I've tried to get through to the environmental health
to find out if there were any additional conditions that needed to be applied,
in response to some of the email.
So, there's a couple of conditions about communication that we would be happy to add.
Conditionating, we're happy with this, as was suggested by Kareem.
Somehow, it's been missed off the application form.
Yeah, so, basically, there's just a couple of other things that we wanted to let you know.
The police agreed with us, two conditions,
and they've been and seen our dispersal policy in action,
and we're happy that our dispersal policy was suitable for the time of night,
the previous and the current application,
in terms of, it's a staggered stage dispersal policy,
which allows us to stop the performance, stop the alcohol,
an additional half an hour during which there's no music.
There's customers that are kind of kettled on site
and encouraged to plan their journey home and the security stay on site,
not letting any alcohol or any drinks leave the premises,
and cleared the street completely before they all finish.
And that's been seen by the police,
which is one of the reasons they were happy to withdraw their representation.
We're happy to discuss this second condition the police put in.
If you would like us to try and actually include it
to make their withdrawal of their rep relevant a bit more,
there's no problem with that.
Basically, we're here to answer any questions that you've got
regarding any part of this application process.
But the main reason that we were looking for 3am originally and again now
is that over the last 10 years,
the studio has operated as a private hire space
and has had events on and off over the last 10 years to 3 and 4am.
So we're trying to bring the current accountable, licensed, regulated
and conditioned premises application into place
so that it covers us for the same activities
that have taken place there over the last 10 years.
And we hope that you consider that
as you work your way through the application.
We have reached out to the...
You have less than one minute left.
Less than one minute? I'll be quick.
We have reached out to the objectors with an additional pack of information
which is your supplemental agenda pack.
Is it three, I think it says in the thing?
It's basically one email from Corrine and I think it was...
It was Lee that were talking there.
But we provided quite a lot of additional information
about the exact location of the premises.
We feel that a lot of the representations made
are not exactly...
It's not clear where they think...
I think they mistake us for other premises
within this warehouse unit.
So we wanted to make sure that that was clear
and make sure that we were as approachable as possible for it.
If you've got any further questions through the process,
please let us know.
We'll try and respond as quickly as possible.
Thanks for your time.
Thank you.
Can I now ask the objectors to present their objections?
You have five minutes each.
Shall I go first?
Sorry about that.
If Nicola can go first, Mr Lee, if you could go second.
Thank you.
Oh, sorry.
You're going first.
Sorry.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Tim's representation I'm putting forward
is on page 72 and 73 of the agenda.
Tim's...
From the noise team,
obviously we're looking at the licence injective
for the prevention of public nuisance.
And as the applicant says,
there have been in the past a lot of complaints
and there's actually the...
Section 80 was actually served on the landlord,
the freeholder of the property, years ago.
But I haven't had any complaints from any of the units there recently,
but it was a big problem.
Now, Tim has 0.4 of his application.
He talks about the surrounding area and development.
Well, future residents obviously can't be considered
when we're looking at this.
But the fact that there are residents...
I think...
I don't know how...
I think there's three representations from local residents.
It does show that they have concerns about this...
about the venue being operating till 3am.
And one of the things about the proposed hours
is 3...
If it closes at 3am
and people are out there by 3.30am,
there is no public transport, as I'm aware, around that area.
I think buses...
I think the latest bus is 1 o'clock
and I don't think Hackney Week starts till about 5 in the morning
and the buses don't start till 5 in the morning.
So one of the real problems for us
with regards to public nuisance
is people leaving the venue every weekend
at 3...
potentially 3.30am in the morning.
And I'm assuming there will be a lot more people
getting Ubers, taxis, etc.
People in and out of taxis doors,
people leaving the venue.
Those that aren't getting public transport,
I mean, getting taxis and Ubers, etc.
are like to be walking away.
So you're getting...
People in high spirits leaving the venue
at 3.30am in the morning
are going to be walking past residential.
There's a lot more residential in that area
than there has been before.
And it's been developed at the moment,
but we can't...
Obviously, that is not to be considered at the moment.
So that really is the main reason
why Tim has put the representation in,
because there's concerns about the late hours
and how people are going to leave,
whether people are congregating out there.
The music aspect.
Myself and one of my colleagues
was involved in putting the sound limit.
I know they've done a lot of soundproofing to the property.
It's just people leaving and coming and going
at that time of the morning
that is the biggest concern for us
with regards to public nuisance.
And obviously, that's a big concern to residents
because they've got the gentleman online
and there are other residents in the area
that are concerned as well.
So thank you very much for listening to me.
Cheers.
Thank you.
Now, can we listen to Mr Lee?
Yes, Lee.
Lee, thank you very much.
I would just like to draw the attention
to the additional information pack
that was also sent,
which is regarding an email exchange
that I had with the applicant yesterday.
I will just repeat what's in there.
And my concerns are similar
to what was just discussed.
The first one is regarding dispersal.
The applicant says there's a dispersal policy in place,
but in practice, dispersal inherently
causes disturbance in the area.
You cannot avoid that.
You cannot contain that.
You cannot mitigate that
no matter what dispersal policy you put in place.
This contains conversations,
car door slamming,
and as the previous person also said,
these individuals at 3M
will be in high spirits already.
In addition,
I just wanted to highlight
that previous events
have already generated nuisance.
Now, the applicant said
that this may not have been them.
However, to me,
that is not necessarily relevant.
What's important to me
is that it's a cumulative additional nuisance
that could be caused
by the extended hours.
So there's already nuisance
there from existing premises
and this cumulative venue
will cause additional traffic to the area.
So whether it was actually them
or it were others,
to me, it's irrelevant.
The fact is that there was cumulative disturbance
which affects our quality of life.
I'd also like to draw the attention
to the fact that this is an area
that is undergoing rapid densification
with a lot more residential units
currently being built
and granting later hours to one venue,
which is later, as you see in the pack,
than any other unit in the FinCinity,
encourages others to apply
for similar extensions.
And as more residential units
become occupied,
it's important to not set
an unsustainable precedent
for extending opening hours
of venues of this sort.
Similar point to that,
there's future residential occupation.
The reason to uphold stricter opening times
is to preempt the negative impact
for when these homes are being occupied.
These are even nearer to the premises
than the unit where I live.
So we need to plan
for a sustainable and livable community.
And that requires Proactive
protecting the peace
and the rest of the future residents
in these units as well.
Thank you for listening to me.
Thank you, Mr. Lee.
Could I now hear from Iona, please?
Thank you.
I live in the same warehouse yard
as the unit that we're talking about.
And I actually decided to come
because I read through all the
against and for, let's say,
applications online.
And I thought that none of the against ones
were really concerning this specific unit
because this, I am the closest one
from what I read in the report.
And I haven't really had any issue
with the noise from this particular unit.
If anything, there are,
because it's a whole warehouse area, let's say,
there are a lot of house parties
that are going on at all hours of day and night,
even continuing over day and the next day.
And this has been a nuisance,
but I have never really had any issue
with that unit.
And also, which is very important,
their exit and entrance
are not through the yard
where the other live-work spaces are.
It has a completely separate one,
so we don't even, like us that live there,
we don't even come into contact
with the people coming and leaving.
They go straight to the road
and furthest away from any residential building,
as far as I understand it.
Also, in my eyes,
while this space has been working,
there has been a lot of developments
in the area around and in the yard.
Everything is tidier, cleaner.
And if anything,
I think it, giving them the license,
sets a precedent for the other spaces
that are kind of functioning
in a non-official way
to try to get it into this
more licensed, official way of working.
I think it's been good for the community
because there are a lot of...
We're talking about all the events going very late,
but there are a lot of events
that are actually good for the community,
and that space has brought us all together.
So I think it's worth trusting them
and giving them that license to continue working.
Thank you, Chair.
Thank you to everyone for the presentation.
I've got quite a few questions,
but I'll just ask two at the moment
and then I'll come back again, Chair.
This is to the applicant.
Do you intend to surrender the existing license,
although we've heard from the officer how it's worked?
We've discussed with Kieran from the Met Police
that we would not have a ghost license.
When the decision is made,
we would choose one or the other license
and surrender the one that we didn't need.
It is kind of...
The reason we've done it
is to protect the current license
because you never can tell quite which way
the hearing is going.
Thank you for that.
Can I ask the second question?
Chair?
Thank you.
Thank you.
It's about the capacity of the venue.
So what sort of capacity are we expecting
that you would host?
Currently it's 110 people
and that's limited by the stairwells and stuff in there.
So I think that's nothing more.
And also...
Yes, thank you, Chair.
How will you manage the increased footfall
from the longer hours of operating?
I mean, the discussions that we've had
with the Met Police
were that the current dispersal policy
is sufficient for the 1am or 3am close.
And I would just mention at this point
that over the last six months
there have been 10 days
where we've used temporary event notice extensions
to operate until 3am.
And after communicating with the environmental health
and police teams,
there were no complaints received
related to those later operations of the premises.
So the way that we intend to manage it
is the way that we've successfully managed it
for the last six months
is the granting of the likes of money
in our dispersal policy.
Thank you, Chair.
I'll come back again.
Councilor Ahmed, do you have any questions?
I have a question.
Question to the applicant here.
At pages 98 and 99 of the Agenda Pack,
why does your dispersal policy
not include any provision
for the use of SIA credit personnel
to manage the dispersal of patrons?
So it could happen that the dispersal policy
needs to be implemented at 10 o'clock
or 11 o'clock on a night when we shut
on a weekday
where the event wasn't really large enough
to require SIA.
So everybody that works at the venue
needs to understand
and be able to operate the dispersal policy.
For one of the two conditions
that we agreed with Kieran
was the addition of SIA
on the weekends
for the Friday and Saturday night.
And I think there's potentially been
another circulation of the dispersal policy
which says that security and management
would stay on site
until half an hour after the premises are shut
or until the street is clean
and clear of people
and we are completely dispersed.
So that kind of answers that question, I think,
unless you've got any more detail you want.
In the week, we do a lot of talks.
We do live drawing classes, lectures,
and you don't really need security for this reason.
It's not that kind of...
In the week, it's not really needed.
I thought that was where people go out to smoke, is it?
Is it a fire door as well?
Can I answer?
Thank you, Chair.
The smoking area is on the second floor
and it's the enclosed area at the top of the stairwell.
The access to the premises is from Stour Road
which is in the south-west corner of the premises
as it appears on page 61 of the agenda pack
and it runs directly alongside the footbridge
through a well-lit alleyway
and you turn right at the end of the alleyway
onto the canal face and up a set of stairs
which leads directly to the premises.
This is on the south-facing end of the building
which is the opposite end to the main objections of Legacy House.
So they don't actually go through that door
or along the canal edge to get into there
and that whole area since we applied
for the first license application has been...
There's now wide mesh that you couldn't climb through
in between metal fence posts
to protect people from actually being on the canal edge.
So Kieran wanted to make sure
that people only use that alleyway
and the protected area
and they didn't go through the door
into the fire escape
to use that as access basically.
That was what he was trying to get us
to agree to in that condition.
Obviously, the wording of it is very broad
and needs resolving if you want to include it.
We are happy to try and find a way
to make it measurable, sensible, reasonable and enforceable
if you want to discuss that.
From an enforcement point of view,
I mean, the wording of the condition is
egress slash ingress shall not be permitted
at any time via the canal path
and shall be via the lit corridor
marked by the black caged area and the lights.
I mean, to anyone else,
that actually doesn't mean anything.
That's why we were saying
we're not really accepting this condition
because it's not clear to anyone else
what that means.
And I said, you know,
maybe it needs to be shown on the plan
because it's not clear.
Obviously, the applicants and the police
might know what they're talking about,
but reading that condition,
it's not clear.
And also, it says,
for the safety of patrons at the venue,
we'll keep the door beneath the bottom stairs
exit locked at all times
to prevent patrons falling into the canal.
Obviously, that doesn't really mean anything
to anyone else.
So, that's why we were just trying
to get clarification from the police
as to exactly what they meant,
whether they could provide a plan
to say what door should be kept.
Going on the plan,
there seems to be two doors.
You know,
are they fire safety doors?
Because you can't really agree
a condition to be closed
if it is a fire escape.
And you might have signage
in the premises
directing people to a door
that then is locked.
And we can't really have that.
That's why we wanted clarification on this.
Yeah, let's hear it.
The licensable area of the premises
is on the second floor.
The section of the plan
that you're seeing
is the second floor
and the smoking area
and the stairwell down.
Essentially,
the whole area
that Kieran is talking about
is on the ground floor,
which is where that stairwell ends,
and the alleyway along the side
of the building
on the ground floor.
So, it's not actually
on the licence plans.
We would be happy
to include a section
that said access route
and try and...
I don't know whether...
I don't know how we do that
after a hearing
or whether it's possible,
but we'd volunteer
to tidy that condition up
with Kieran
and pay a minor variation fee
to add it.
Or you could put it in
for review and agreement
with Kieran.
All the doors
that are fire doors
in the rest of the building
all have push bars
on the way to exit.
so that you would exit them
if there was a fire.
You know,
to get in
if there was a fire
wouldn't make sense anyway.
If there was a fire,
you wouldn't go into the building.
I'm just trying to visualise it.
There is no doors
stopping any exit
from the venue.
Right.
Nice one.
Thank you.
And that the Met Police
have been withdrawn...
Sorry, actually,
let me ask Kieran that.
Did you get any confirmation
from the Met Police?
Do you want to come back
to your question?
Yeah.
Sure, Chair.
Thank you.
This to the applicant.
It's about the access
of the site.
What I can see from the map
is just one particular road
that you can drive through
to that premises.
Is there any...
What I can see from the Google map,
actually,
but is there any other
access road
to enter
into that site?
I mean,
how far away
are you saying
one particular road?
Because it's located
on Stour Road
and if you were
in an emergency,
there would be another exit
by foot
that led out
onto the corner
of Stour Road
and Beachy Road.
There is
vehicular access,
is it Stour Road,
Beachy Road,
Monnier Road,
which all link
at both ends,
but at both ends
of it,
there's...
Then,
is it Monnier Road
has been extended
towards Stratford
over a bridge
and at the other end
of Monnier Road
there is
a roundabout,
but we're getting
quite a long way
from the premises here.
I'm not quite sure
what the answer
to your question is.
Is what I can see
from A12,
you can enter
into Monnier Road,
so can you drive
through to Stratford
from Monnier Road
to Stratford?
I believe so.
You're not sure?
It's a bus
and taxi road only,
but if you mean
for police
and ambulance,
then yes.
So basically
what I'm trying
to establish here
to understand,
if I'm a customer
and I'm going
with the Uber,
somebody's going
to pick me up
after 3 a.m.,
so the car
has to come out
through the same road
from A12
or Monnier Road
from Week Lane side.
There's a number
of different roads
that the taxis
could come down.
But the venue
is on the corner,
so they could come
from three different
directions
to collect people
or drop people off.
Okay, so...
It's actually,
I mean,
most venues
are only on one road.
We have three.
So can you drive me,
drive through,
or talk me through
to that particular site?
As you said,
you've got,
we can get in
into different roads.
But what I can see
from A12 that clearly
on that map
is only one road
to access
into that particular state.
So Fish Island
is a canal island.
It's not an actual island.
There are three different ways
to come onto
the canal island,
but around the outside
is,
it's,
if you look at it
from a bird's eye view
from a map,
it's not an actual island.
It's just canals
that go around it.
There are different
vehicle bridges
coming onto the island
and lots of different roads.
It's quite a big cul-de-sac,
so you could choose
a number of different ways
on and a number
of different ways off
by vehicle
and even more by foot.
And even at late at night,
you could walk across
to Stratford
and catch the night train
home within 10 minutes.
Sorry,
can I just try
and clarify this?
Perhaps
I could suggest
that you look
at the postcode
on Google Maps.
The road
that we're talking about
is in the top corner
just around
by Legacy House
where the residents are,
which is the bus
and taxi road.
And then the access
to all of Fish Island
is a roundabout
with two,
like the west,
sorry,
the east
and the south side
of both.
You could get on
and off the roundabout.
So there are essentially
two ways in
and two ways out
that lead
to the one street
that we've got
via the roundabout.
And the other road
that goes over
to Stratford.
Thanks.
I do actually,
Chair.
Thank you.
In what particular ways
does your application
mitigate
the effects
of high-spirited
patterns
being provided
alcohol
well beyond
the frameworks
hours?
The dispersal policy
that we've got
in place
is a staggered
dispersal policy
that's been agreed
with the police team
and essentially
after to the closing time
for the regulated
activities
we flash a light
and call time.
At closing times
music and entertainment
ceases
and the staff
move out
from behind
the service area
into the crowd
and tell people
that they've got
15 minutes
of drinking up time
and request
that they start
planning their journey
home.
This is with no music
on at all.
15 minutes
after closing time
and during the half
an hour
closing time
is actually
half an hour
after the
licencement
activity
so 15 minutes
after the licencement
activities cease
the house lights
go to full
and the message
to the customers
from security
and staff
is if you could
stop making
your way outside
now please
and finishing
your drinks off.
We also let people
know
that if they've
booked a taxi
if they can book
it in the venue
and wait until
it's one minute
away before they
go downstairs
to limit
the number of people
on the road
gathering outside
that tries to
keep people
in the premises
rather than
causing noise
and nuisance
out on the street.
The security team
at the front door
will disperse
groups that
gather in the road
and also
they take all
the alcohol
and any open
containers off
people and put
them in the bin.
There's no drinks
allowed off the
premises at the
end of the night
and then as the
actual premises
itself is cleared
out at half past
the management
and the security
team work together
to make sure
that people
are staying
quiet and calm
whilst getting
into their
taxis on the
way out
and that the
road at the
end of the
night is
completely clear
before we lock
the doors
and let the
management and
security finish
their job and
go home.
We also put up
signage, we
have signage
already in place
that says
please respect
our neighbours
and leave the
area quietly
in the instance
that any
customers don't
really know
where they're
going, the
staff and
security have
got briefings
on how to
help them find
their way home
as well and
ensure that they
can get home
too.
Just a final
question for
myself will
be, if I
wanted to hire
that venue for
my birthday party
I can and
who will manage
that event?
So if we've
got a private
hire event we
sign a contract
we have the
details of the
hirer, we
would run the
bars and
everything on
site and we
are in charge
of the security
team on site
so that even
though the
actual operation
of the premises
is run by us.
Thank you,
thank you chair.
I think you've
still got a few
months until your
birthday.
This was part
of the reason
that we decided
to change the
venue into an
event space
because there
were so many
parties that
were not
licensed and
were not done
well.
You've got a
minute each.
Thank you.
There's several
things I'm
concerned about.
How will the
applicant stop
say 110
people leaving
at once?
What if there's
more than say
10, I'm just
using 10 as an
example, people
booking a taxi as
they all arrive at
the same time?
How then there's
no way that they're
going to be able to
stop that happening?
It's the low
background level
around in that
area and I'm
not sure why
they need 30
minutes from
closing for
people to
leave.
I think 30
minutes is
excessive.
I still have
concerns about
public nuisance
at 3.30 in the
morning and
that is my
conclusion.
Thank you.
Mr. Lee?
I've also
heard no
convincing
arguments that
they can
appropriately
manage the
dispersal of
patrons during
the late
hours and
therefore I
continue to
object to
this application.
Thank you.
And you've
got a minute
for the
applicant.
I just
want to
reiterate
that again
actually
because I
need to
hear from
a supporter
as well
so you've
got a
minute.
Essentially
I still
I'm even
more confident
I think now
after hearing
the whole
way of
how the
applicants
are
thinking
the event
space is
going to
run and
all the
dispersal
methods.
I didn't
know that
was in
place before
and I
was already
as a
neighbour
happy with
what was
happening
so in
my eyes
it's
probably
already
working
that's
why I
haven't
noticed
any
sort of
nuisance
for me
so yeah
I'm still
for it.
Now
you've
got a
minute.
Thank you
Chair.
Basically
I just
have to
reiterate
that
we've
had
10
10s
until
3am
and
that
we
have
been
operating
regularly
on
weekends
for the
last
six
months
I
feel
that
there
would
have
been
more
evidence
of
complaints
particularly
to the
police
and the
environmental
health
team
than there
was.
The
ones
that
we
had
we
have
proven
that
we
were
not
open
actually
like
there
were
no
bookings
or
the
police
have
witnessed
the
dispersal
more
time
to
operate
which
means
that
even
if
it
is
very
full
at
the
end
of
the
night
there
is
a
longer
time
period
rather than
just
kicking
everybody
out
into
the
street
at
once
and
that
has
been
proven
to be
working
over
the
last
six
months
which
is
why
we
would
request
that
you
keep
that
the
same
I
just
want
to let
you
know
as well
that
with
regards
to the
new
people
moving
into
the
area
and
the
duty
of
care
the
guys
here
have
shown
that
they've
got
a
duty
of
care
and
responsibility
and
that
they're
a
good
operator
they
want
to
work
with
the
local
responsible
authorities
we
paid
for
the
acoustic
survey
to be
done
for
the
last
license
that
all
of
the
recommendations
that
were
in
that
have
been
implemented
and
we
have
set
the
limiters
with
the
local
environmental
team
we've
also
since
then
done
additional
acoustic
treatment
and
carried
out
above
and
beyond
what
was
required
to
make
sure
that
it's
working
I
think
that
we've
demonstrated
successfully
over the
last six
months
that we
can
manage
the
issues
that have
been
raised
and we
appreciate
everyone's
concern
because
we have
taken
the step
forward
to become
one of
the
first
premises
with
a
license
in
the
area
that
is
accountable
and
responsible
we
are
getting
blamed
for
a lot
of
the
operation
of
the
other
premises
because
we
are
not
the
ones
causing
the
nuisance
I
think
that's
probably
my
minute
isn't
it
yep
let's
hear it
sorry did
we
confirm that
it was
just
unit
four
we
were
looking
at
because
obviously
nowhere
in
any
correspondence
has
it
ever
said
unit
four
yeah
just
unit
four
there
are
21
other
units
in the
block
of
warehouses
that
are
called
Victoria
Wharf
it's
quite
confusing
but
we
are
just
one
tiny
unit
we're
not
the
bigger
units
obviously
would have
been helpful
in the
application
and on
the
current
premises
license
only says
10
Star
Road
doesn't
give a
unit
at all
so
you
could
go
well
all
the
complaints
you know
because
there
is
one
license
for
10
Star
Road
now
moving
on to
the
second
application
this
is
for
variation
to
the
club
premises
certificate
for
globetown
community
association
which
is
on
152
to
156
Roman
Road
London
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0-R-Y
and
it's
on
pages
101
to
162
could
I
kindly
ask
Simi
to
announce
those
who
are
in
attendance
please
thank
you
chair
for
this
application
we
have
Mr
John
Embry
who
is
present
in
person
and
the
objectors
and
they
are
also
present
the
meeting
we
have
Mr
Steve
Murray
and
Fabrizio
Labrosi
after
the
application
has
been
presented
the
applicant
will
be
invited
to
speak
and
be
given
a
total
of
five
minutes
to
make
your
representation
the
objectors
will
also
have
five
minutes
each
to
make
their
representation
I'll
let
each
speaker
know
when
they
have
one
minute
remaining
please
note
that
the
sub
community
have
read
the
agenda
pack
in
advance
thank you
chair
this is
an
application
for a
variation
to
the
club
premises
certificate
that
is
held
for
Globetown
Community
Association
152
to
156
Roman
Road
a
copy
of
the
current
certificate
is
shown
in
appendix
1
on
page
110
the
current
certificate
authorises
the
sale
of
the
supply
of
alcohol
by
or
on
behalf
of
a
club
member
and
their
guests
from
Monday
to
Saturday
12
till
10
45
PM
and
Sunday
12
till
9
5
PM
and
the
opening
hours
are
15
minutes
later
than
that
a
copy
of
the
application
is
in
appendix
2
on
page
122
to
136
the
nature
of the
variation
is to
extend
the
hours
in
the
evening
on
Monday
to
Friday
till
midnight
which is
an
extension
of
1
hour
and
15
minutes
Saturday
till
half
past
midnight
which is
an
extension
of
1
hour
and
45
minutes
and
Sunday
till
10
PM
which is
a
15
minute
extension
they've
also
applied
for
the
provision
of
regulated
entertainment
for
live
music
on
Saturday
only
they
only
need
this
license
after
11
PM
due
to
the
live
music
act
so
the
hours
apply
for
11
PM
to
11
30
and
if
you
can
note
that
as it
appears
on
discussion
it seemed
to be
just
background
music
that
they
would
be
playing
which
is
not
licensable
if
you've
noticed
in the
application
the
hours
did
state
from
6
PM
this
was
also
confusion
in
the
application
being
filled
out
they
weren't
reducing
their
hours
in the
day
they
wanted
to
extend
they
normally
open
at
6
o'clock
is my
understanding
and that's
why
for an
extension
for the
later
hours
a
site
plan
is
included
in
appendix
3
on
page
138
a
map
showing
the
vicinity
are
appendix
4
on
page
140
there's
some
photographs
of the
outside
of the
premises
in
appendix
5
on
page
142
to
145
and
details
of other
licensed
premises
nearby
are
on
page
147
to
149
now
this
hearing
is
required
as
relevant
representations
have been
received
from
four
residents
and
a
tenants
association
and
these
are
from
appendix
7
to
appendix
11
page
151
to
160
page
103
there's
conditions
which
are
consistent
with
the
operating
schedule
and
a
couple
of
those
yeah
thank
you
does
licensing
have
any
record
of
complaints
of
noise
disturbance
relating
to
these
premises
I
can
okay
yes
we
have
received
some
complaints
we
had
a
complaint
the
most
recent
complaint
was
to
us
was
in
January
24
and
a
complaint
on
the
16th
of
November
24
so
the
last
complaint
either
the
noise
team
or
the
licensing
authority
received
was
the
16th
of
November
last
year
and
that
was
when
the
out
of
hours
noise
team
were
called
due
to
loud
music
but
when
they
witnessed
I'm
not
sure
of
the
time
period
between
the
call
and
when
they
attended
but
the
licensing
authority
received
complaint
like I
say
on
the
9th
of
January
last
year
the
21st
of
December
23
and
the
3rd
of
May
22
so
one
complaint
in
22
one
complaint
in
23
and
one
complaint
in
24
to
us
regarding
mainly
noise
vibration
so
that's
how
many
in
how
many
years
that's
so
the
licensing
authority
three
complaints
in
three
years
but
obviously
the
noise
team
had
minutes
we've
been
in
the
Globes
Family
Community
Association
for
over
30
years
i.e.
in
Bullard's
place
and
this
new
place
in
Broman
Road
we
have
never
had
the
police
stand
we've
never
had
no
fights
we
only
want
an
hour's
extension
on
a
Saturday
night
that's
all
when
regards
to
some
emails
saying
we've
got
music
every
night
we've
had
about
eight
or
ten
tens
from
the
council
until
1230
previously
never
ever
had
anyone
down
no
complaints
the
place
is
sand
proof
it's
got
cameras
the
people
in
there
are
from
25
to
90
odd
years
of
age
they're
not
young
kids
and
what
they
don't
realise
is
in
this
area
you've
got
another
pub
located
just
down
the
road
which
has
got
a
two
o'clock
licence
which
they get
noise
from
now
we're
finished
we're
out
of
our
place
by
eleven
o'clock
without
a
doubt
we don't
have
music
all the
week
we have
music
once
on a
Saturday
night
every
fortnight
not
every
week
we've
got
shutters
down
which
you
can
see
on
the
front
of
the
building
there's
shutters
but
there's
two
off
licences
i.e.
next
door
to
club
and
one
across
the
road
that
sell
alcohol
till
two
o'clock
in the
morning
so you
get a
lot of
noise
because
it's
a
busy
road
and
I
think
some
of
these
tenants
up there
we've
gone
to
the
tenants
I went
to
number
three
she
was
fine
she
even
sent
an
email
this
man
replied
all
the
emails
to
these
people
they
objected
not
one
has
come
down
to
see
us
or
whatever
they
could
come
down
quite
willingly
on
a
Saturday
seeing
the
clientele
we've
got
our
clientele
are not
youngsters
our
clientele
is
a
members
club
you
can't
just
walk
in
off
the
street
you
can
bring
one
member
in
but
the
members
in
there
are
50
60
some
have
been
there
every
50
odd
years
they've
lived
and
we've
got
a
letter
from
one
of
the
women
that
works
for
the
council
for
their
parents
carers
they
come
in
there
we
let
them
use
the
space
we
don't
charge
them
we
do
it
for
the
council
we
let
them
come
in
on
a
Wednesday
when
we're
not
open
we're
not
open
on
a
Wednesday
we're
closed
Wednesday
so
the
complaints
all seem
to be
complaining
about
just
down
the
road
they're
the
ones
that's
causing
the
problem
we're
getting
the
backlash
of it
that's
what
it
seems
to
me
when
they
say
noise
when
the
noise
is
January
it's
New
Year's
Eve
we
had
a
noise
complaint
not
long
ago
three
plain
closed
police
cops
coming
when
we had
a
10
and
it
was
all
finished
at
4.1
they
went
we
had
a
disturbance
right
or wrong
they
said
they
stood
there
laughing
they
went
they
were
wasting
our
time
by
making
phone
calls
saying
there's
this
there's
that
there's
this
that's
going
on
and
when
they
say
about
children
fair enough
we've
all our
children
when
I've
had
children
you've
got to
keep
your
noise
down
we've
got
notes
on
our
door
saying
when
you
go
out
you've
got
to
be
quiet
you
leave
their
premises
our
premises
are
people
are
out
I
just
don't
know
the
people
that's
complaining
they
live
miles
away
so
I
don't
know
what
they're
complaining
about
when
they
say
the
noise
I've
got
a
woman
above
me
number
three
which
is
right
above
me
I
said
to her
the
other
day
we
went
up
to
these
people
in
that
block
we
said
to them
if
you've
got
any
problems
come
down
and
see
us
there's
not
did
you
want
to
say
anything
else
I
think
you
still
got
two
minutes
one
minute
all right
thank
you
now
can
I
ask
the
objectors
to
present
the
objections
you've
got
five
minutes
each
could
I
ask
Steve
Murphy
to
speak
first
please
yeah
thank
you
chair
so
my
name
is
Stephen
Murphy
I'm
a
director
and
chairman
of the
Chaterhouse
Tenants
Association
I'm
a
landlord
and I
own
two
flats
in
Chaterhouse
Chaterhouse
is
predominantly
a
residential
block
there
are
36
residential
flats
and
11
commercial
units
there
are
approximately
90
residents
who
live
in
the
building
the
residents
include
key
workers
who
work
shifts
young
families
and
any
late
night
noise
at all
is
disruptive
to their
sleep
which is
an obvious
discomfort
for them
and a
great
concern
there
is
already
the
angel
and
crown
pub
with
extended
hours
for
sale
of
alcohol
and
live
music
within
Chaterhouse
as I
said
it
is
predominantly
a
residential
block
it
already
has
a
pub
in
the
building
late
night
consumption
of
alcohol
and
loud
music
is a
combination
we know
from our
experience
living in
the building
tends to
increase
late night
noise
disruption
from within
or outside
of the
licensed
premises
or
antisocial
behaviour
or both
Chaterhouse
Tennis
Association
has worked
proactively
with the
licensees
of the
Angel
and Crown
Pub
to highlight
the noise
problem
from that
location
and they've
been
responsive
but it
can still
be a
problem
there have
been
multiple
complaints
from residents
to the
Globetown
Community
Association
about
excessive
noise
with no
written
or informal
response
from the
Globetown
Community
Association
to proactively
address any
noise
nuisance
issues
from the
venue
whilst
Chaterhouse
Tennis
Association
respects
the
Globetown
Community
Association
members
members
and guests
preferences
for how
they choose
to enjoy
themselves
it should
not be
at the
expense
of Chaterhouse
residents
who live
directly above
and only
metres away
from their
planned
live music
venue
residents
have complained
directly to
the Globetown
Community
Association
in person
about excessive
noise
but their
complaints
have been
dismissed
and ignored
as far
as I'm
aware
no
residents
of
Chaterhouse
are members
of the
Globetown
Community
Association
there's been
no invitation
to residents
to join
the Globetown
Community
Association
within the
building
and there's
been no
proactive
engagement
from Globetown
Community
Association
with the
Chaterhouse
Tenants
Association
about
their plans
to extend
their license
hours and
activities
and this
does not
give residents
confidence
that the
Globetown
Community
Association
will be
proactive
in taking
residents
concerns
about
noise
nuisance
seriously
extending
the Globetown
Community
Association
licensing
hours
and especially
the addition
of live
music
to even
later
and more
often
is likely
to make
the current
problems
under the
current
license
conditions
worse
not better
anti-social
behaviour
in the
area
around
Chaterhouse
is already
a problem
there are
concerns
for resident
security
the area
around
Chaterhouse
is already
challenged
with anti-social
behaviour
and extending
the licensing
hours is
unlikely
to improve
this
a great
concern
to tenants
is that
extended
licensing
especially
for live
music
venue
and for
the sale
of alcohol
is already
a concern
with there
being a pub
already in
the building
adding a
second venue
with extended
licensing
conditions
especially for
live music
can affect
the saleability
and the
mortgageability
of residence
flats
directly affecting
their quality
of life
lenders
do not
like to
lend on
residential
flats
above
licensed
commercial
premises
especially
those
with
extended
hours
for the
sale
of
alcohol
and
as a
live
music
and for
these
reasons
the
chaterhouse
census
association
objects
to the
extension
of the
globetown
community
association
license
terms
thank you
now can I
hear from
Fabrizio
Labrosi
thank you
I just
want to
give my
account
as one
of the
residents
my flat
is right
above
the
premises
there is
three flats
that runs
across the
premises
one is
number four
not number
three
number five
and number
19
and
I've been
living there
for 25
years
but the
last three
years
since they
moved in
you know
my life
has been
quite
challenging
because
unfortunately
contrary
to what
they say
they never
respect
the closing
times
there has
been
recorded
music
played
regularly
every
night
I have
recorded
on my
mobile
phone
if you
guys
want
to
hear
it
there's
been
live
events
already
been
held
twice
a
month
probably
like
they
already
said
without
a
license
I'm
guessing
because
if
they're
requesting
a
license
now
so
you
know
I'm
very
concerned
when I
heard
that
they
want
to
extend
their
opening
hours
because
I
rise
at
6.30
every
morning
and I
need
to
go
to
bed
at
10.30
have
a
good
night
sleep
so
if
they
want
to
close
at
12
o'clock
it
means
that
by
the
time
they
empty
the
venue
and
also
the
problem
is
that
not
only
the
sounds
of
the
music
and
the
vibration
that
I
get
but
also
I
get
noise
from
what
I
don't
know
it's
probably
the
back
of
the
venue
where
they've
got
storage
units
they've
got
toilets
which
are
actually
raised
from
the
floor
so
they
even
closer
to
my
floor
and
I
can
hear
slamming
doors
when
they
tidy
up
I
can
hear
chairs
being
dragged
around
the
floor
I
can
hear
broomsticks
banging
against
the
wall
and
sounds
travel
a lot
they
claim to
have
sound
proofing
I
don't
know
what
this
sound
proofing
is
I
would
like
to
understand
how
the
sound
proofing
works
because
if
you
don't
leave
the
back
door
open
the
so
I
don't
want
to
be
tossing
and
turning
every
night
listening
to
that
music
or
waiting
for
them
to
finish
I
just
want
to
have
a
good
quality
of
life
just
as
like
they
have
every
right
to
enjoy
themselves
I
want
to
stress
that
I
don't
have
anything
against
the
association
itself
although
it
was
sold
to
us
at
the
beginning
like
an
association
where
they
would
have
you
know
meditation
run
in
a
free
house
essentially
that's
what
it
is
I'll
give you
a minute
because
normally
you're not
allowed
to speak
after that
right
number
one
see
the
back
door
is
used
for
one
purpose
only
deliveries
right
or wrong
you're
supposed
to
answer
me
you're
supposed
to
answer
me
you
have
to
direct
to
me
sorry
sorry
the
back
door
is
opened
once
for
delivery
which
we
get
on
a
Friday
or
a
Saturday
morning
during
the
day
no
one
smokes
out
the
back
no
one
is
allowed
out
the
back
because
it's
an exit
door
and we
use
it
for
the
delivery
obviously
when
this
man
is
talking
about
getting
up
at
5
in
the
morning
we
don't
open
Wednesday
for
start
and
another
thing
is
when
we've
had
our
music
we've
had
tens
you know
what they
are
tens
is
where
we
get
from
the
council
to
say
you
can
have
the
extra
hour
on
that
night
for
the
music
that's
the
only
time
we've
had
the
music
was
when
we've
had
tens
we
don't
have
music
every
week
like
they're
saying
and
when
they
say
about
these
flats
number
three
is
close
I've
got
shops
downstairs
that
don't
hear
nothing
keystones
next
door
the
fish
shop
next
door
which
have
all
sent
emails
in
all
these
people
in
the
flats
when
we
moved
in
there
we
went
up
to
every
single
person
said
you
like
to
come
down
and
see
if
you
want
to
be
a
member
you
could
be
a
member
we
went
round
there
me
and
my
wife
went
round
every
single
flat
now
when
he
says
we
never
done
nothing
for
the
community
just
read
that
letter
and
you'll
see
what
we
do
for
the
community
thank
you
do you want to turn your mic off
thank you
thank you
now members will have
opportunity to ask
questions
does
anyone
I'll start you off then
if you guys don't mind
just on
the
last thing you mentioned
members of the club do not smoke in the back
could I ask if you've got a smoking area
no
because there are a lot of old people in there
when I say old
they're from 25
30
majority
majority are old
they're 50s 60s and 70s
very few of them smoke
very smoke
some vape
they go outside
but if you see three or four out there at the time
that would be about the average
you don't see no many
and at the end of the day
these people
when they've had music
at 11.30
their premises
have been emptied
by 12.30
and you don't get a 90 year old
making a great bit of noise
it might have his wheelchair
to go home with
whatever
but that's about it
so
I can't hear a lot of this
what they're saying
it's just not true
how does one become a member
to be a member
the membership carried on
from the other club
we had
we had one in Bullard's place
for 20 odd years
in Moorford Street
they've got this place round here
so their members
automatically become over
if they want to be members
and if they're members
they have to sign in
they have to be
they do
pay the membership money
which is the liability order
for
liability insurance
we've had it
sand proofed in there
we've got
cameras all in there
asking how to become a member
yeah
but
to become a member
you have to be
nominated by someone
in the area
do you
the councillor
thank you chair
thank you for
to everyone
for the presentation
these to the applicant
I think you've touched on that
about the live music
but can I still ask
that question again
in respect of
the live music
what is the maximum
number of people
before whom it will take place
the amount
the most people
we have in that club
on one night
this is
like New Year's Eve
would be
45 to 55 people
maximum
other than New Year's Eve
obviously
thank you for that
and
as
on the discussion
from the object
about the
soundproof system
could you talk us
through that
what sort of
facilities that you have
to protect the noise
not to travel outside
well
we have
when
we've got
soundproof
you've got soundproof
you're soundproofed
I've got the help
I find soundproofed
and then when the music
starts
at 8.30
or whatever
we shut
the shutters down
and so
we go outside
and you cannot
hear hardly anything
you can't
you'd have to put
your ear
to the shutter
to hear anything
you can't hear it
I go into the man
next door
and if it's shot
I go to the
keystone shop
and they say
excuse me
do you hear anything
he goes no
also
it's saying about
the doors
slamming
yeah the doors
slamming
we've had all
them done
we had
all
what's it
all
rubber
draft excluders
done all the doors
everything
so
obviously
people go to the toilet
they flush the shine
that's acceptable
but when the doors
are slamming
that's all been done
and if they could come
they could come and see it
they could see it
but they've never come down
no one's ever come down
no one
no one's ever come down
to say to us
look there's a problem here
if they'd have done
I'd say
he sent emails
to all these people
not one's come down
the only person
I didn't send it to
was the association
their tenants association
because there was
no forwarding email
address on their
objection
my question is
to the applicant
on page 134
of the agenda pack
the conditions
you propose
are already
on the certificate
so do you propose
any more conditions
on the certificate
so if you refer
to the page
134
of the agenda pack
there are some
conditions
you propose
which are actually
already on the certificate
do you have any
other conditions
to propose
maybe answer that
please
obviously they have
agreed the conditions
that the police
proposed
which is on page
104
and then they've
agreed the conditions
that the environmental
protection team
proposed
which is on page
105 to 106
so there's sort of
the police
proposed 15 conditions
and the noise
team proposed
six conditions
and those have been
agreed by the applicant
thank you very much
that's fine
can I ask
it's about
on page 133
there were
further conditions
could you clarify
on that as well
please
if you can
on page 133
of the agenda pack
in section L
of your application
you are seeking
to add those
conditions
to the certificate
chair
oh I see
what you mean
as in the actual
section L
please identify
those conditions
currently imposed
on the certificate
which you believe
could be removed
that's if they're
doing a variation
to remove
or add
conditions
sometimes they do
a variation
to remove
conditions
but obviously
they're not
they've just
asked to
they've obviously
put on there
what they've
originally got
rather than
adding any more
but obviously
they've agreed
with the police
and the noise team
to add some more
okay
just the last
question on
to the applicant
if we were to
consider the
application
it's about the
live music
would you consider
to reduce
your
playing time
sorry
reduce the
entertainment
time
you mean
like from
it's basically
the live music
the live music
on the set
which is only
one night
sorry
which is
one night
which is on
the Saturday
night
we could
review
starting
earlier
and finishing
maybe
30 minutes
earlier
so 11 o'clock
we could
review that
thank you
thank you
for that
thank you
thank you
last question
for me
in regards
to your
soundproofing
do you
have
the soundproofing
installation
on the
ceiling
way
up
the
contractors
fitted the
soundproof
when they
we
done the
old
building
but there
was a bit
of noise
on the
toilet
doors
because
they're so
thin
so we
went up
there
we put
all the
graph
excluders
foam
so there
if you
go to the
thought
you can't
hear
nothing
the only
thing
you can
hear
obviously
is someone
pulling
in the
chain
smashing
the
toilet
that's
all
there's
no more
door
banging
nothing
and lastly
as you
mentioned
that you
can't hear
it from
the
chippy
you can't
hear it
from the
key makers
shop
any
noise
any noise
yeah
so
no noise
either way
and we've
heard from
residents
that
looking at
contractors
to look at
the soundproofing
that's
where our
toilets are
there's a
disabled toilet
on the
ground floor
which
obviously
disabled
people use
and there's
you've got
five steps
and there's
the men's
and the
ladies toilet
but if you
go up
there
you can
only hear
it
you can
hear it
slightly
you couldn't
say it's
travelling away
from the
building
it's impossible
that is
impossible
I don't
know where
that's
come from
I mean
half of
these people
lived
50 yards
away
they'd be
more than
the other
venue
than they'd
do our
venue
thank you
can I
hear from
Corrine
yes I'm
just I'm
just reading
the conditions
agreed with
the noise
team
sometimes
it's not
always the
noise
I know I'm
not a noise
officer but
I'm just
you know
it's not
always the
music you
can hear
sometimes
it's the
vibration
that goes
through the
building
so that's
a consideration
and but
the condition
that they've
put here
is
loudspeakers
shall not
be located
in the
entrance
lobby
or the
outside
of the
premises
nor on
the
ceiling
so you
can't
put any
loudspeakers
attached to
the ceiling
and then
anti-vibration
mounts are
to be used
for speakers
attached to
the wall
so that
can often
stop
some
you do
get through
buildings
that's sort
of like
sometimes
the bass
music or
the vibration
rather than
the actual
sound of
the music
and then
they've also
agreed here
a noise
limiter to
be fitted
so obviously
the music
can't go above
a certain
level without
it cutting
out
so that's
condition
four that
has been
agreed
and the
one about
the speakers
and the
anti-vibration
mounts is
condition one
that has
been
you mean
if it
goes on
to the
license
I mean
I suppose
if any
complaint
then comes
in
it would
be for
the noise
officer
to go
down
and do
an
inspection
and also
to see
whether or
not
they've
got
because
obviously
the
condition
about
the
noise
limiter
is
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
environmental
health
team
so
I think
we spoke
and you
were buying
one
weren't
you
a noise
limiter
yeah
so
I suppose
if there is
anything else
you could
see
whether or
not
these
conditions
are
being
abided
by
cool
now
members
let's
move on
to the
concluding
remarks
to the
applicant
you've
got
one
minute
projectors
first
you've
both
got
one
minute
each
thank
you
chair
my
response
to
some
of
the
comments
of
the
applicant
would be
whatever
noise
mitigation
works
they may
have
installed
aren't
effective
and they
aren't
sufficient
the
lived
experience
of the
tenants
in the
building
must
take
precedence
over
whatever
mitigation
actions
they think
they have
taken
and I
don't
think
that
has
been
taken
into
account
whilst
I
appreciate
their
request
for
extended
hours
might be
reasonable
in a
commercial
building
a predominantly
commercial
building
it might
be reasonable
in a
building
like
Chater
House
which is
predominantly
a residential
building
and the
homes in
which
people
live
I
don't
think
it is
appropriate
also I
think asking
commercial
units
which are
next door
to the
commercial
unit
that the
applicant
is
leasing
if there's
a noise
issue
also isn't
particularly
relevant
when above
the commercial
unit
there are
people
like
Fabrizio
who live
directly there
and experience
the noise
for themselves
in such
a disruptive
way
and just
my final
point would
be that
Chater House
Tense Association
has no
issue with
the Globetown
Community
Association
as a
community
organisation
we simply
want to
have a high
quality of
life in
the homes
in which
we live
Fabrizio
please
just want
to reinstate
what I said
earlier
and I
just want
to clarify
that the
noise
complaint
is not
from the
outside
or who's
smoking
outside
I haven't
talked about
that at
all
and when I
meant back
door
I didn't
mean the
back door
where they
load up
the
whatever
drinks
or what
it is
I think
there must
be
I just
need to
understand
where
these
soundproofing
what
soundproofing
is in
place
I don't
think we
had a
clear
explanation
what
soundproofing
system
is on
how does
it work
and why
I still
hear the
sound
why do
I still
hear the
noise
as I
said I
have
recordings
on my
phones
anybody
happy to
listen to
or I
will use
it as
evidence
in future
but you
know I
just want
to
as I
said nothing
against the
association
I just
want to
have a
decent
quality
of life
and I
want to
be able
to go
to bed
at a
decent
time
and I
want to
spend
every
Saturday
night
like
having
to
listen
to
a
singer
to be
honest
with
you
thank
you
thank
you
now
you've
got
one
minute
what I'm
trying to
say is
we have
music
one night
a week
which is
on a
Saturday
which is
every other
week
every two
weeks
now the
gentleman
there
if he's
got to
get up
past six
in the
morning
why
don't
he
when he
hears
all this
noise
come down
and say
excuse me
have a
word
not just
sit there
and go
where you
want
the only
person
around that
little area
who's complained
has been
number four
and number five
whatever it is
no one else
ain't complained
right
and
what I'm
trying to
say to you
is not
once
come down
and said
oh there's
a problem
here
the noise
not once
not once
as
no one
has come
down
it all
seems to
be like
collected
together
thank you
actually
we're not
allowed to
take any
more
responses
we've
given you
your time
thank you
thank you
for everyone's
contributions
today
the sub
committee will
deliberate in
private session
after this
meeting ends
and see me
from democratic
services
we'll write
to you
with the
decisions
within five
working days
thank you
guys
and so
now
extension
of decision
deadline
Simu could you
announce them
please
thank you
chambers
and the
chair to
extend the
decision
deadlines
for the
following
application
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for the
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