Transcript

Hi, a very good evening. Welcome to this meeting of the Cabinet. Welcome to those in the audience and those watching online. My name is Councillor Shantanu Rajawat. I'm the Leader of the Council and Chair of this meeting. I'm joined around the table by my colleagues on the Cabinet, who I'm sure will introduce themselves and their portfolios when they speak. We've also got officers around the table who do not take part in decision making, but are here to offer any technical insight, should it be required. And also welcome to you, Leader of the Opposition, who has a standing invite, but again, does not vote in these meetings. So we've got quite a bit on the agenda, lots to go through. I'm going to go straight into apologies for absence. I've had apologies from Councillor Shivraj Garawal. I don't think anyone else. No, that's everyone. Are there any declarations of interest for members? No. Any communications? Councillor Sheehan? Do you want to say it? And introduce yourself. Councillor Salman Sheehan, Cabinet Member for Culture, Leisure and Public Spaces, and many, many communications around the Art Centre. I'm assuming that's the same for you, Councillor Bruce. Yes, I will declare that too. Sorry, my computer's just turned off, so I was distracted, yes. Good. And can I just remind members to note the Monitoring Officer's note on interests. We now move on to Agenda Item 2, which is the minutes of the meeting held on the 15th of April, take them page by page for accuracy and matters arising. Page 7, page 8, page 9, and then page 10. Can I agree those minutes? Agreed? Yep. Thank you very much. Right, we move on to our first substantive item, which is the draft felt and master plan refresh, and that is you, Councillor Bruce. Sorry, technical difficulties. The computer turns off at the wrong time. Master plan refresh, yes. So, what is a master plan? We've had various iterations of master plans coming through Cabinet over the last few years, most recently the Hounslow and the Brentford town centre master plans. Feltham has a town centre master plan. Those who can recall back to 2017, there was a town centre master plan from then, so eight years ago. Why a refresh now? What is the case for this? Well, since 2017, I mean, quite clearly, lots of things have happened, lots of national, regional, local policies have been updated, new guidance has been issued. We've obviously had lots of different economic shifts, not least COVID, but other issues as well with inflation and interest rates and difficulties in that. So, it is time to think again exactly what we're talking about when we talk about as a community, and I say very specifically, not council talking about Feltham, but the community, including the council, but also residents talking about what is happening in Feltham. And the master plan creates that framework for any future delivery. It creates a set of guidance and guidelines that we can follow in order that we can maximise the impact that, and I say we, the community, can maximise the impact on an area. That specifically talks about placemaking. So, our business case for growth has identified Feltham as one of the key areas alongside the Golden Mile in terms of Feltham as a place and as an opportunity, plenty of opportunities for that growth, but also in terms of our asset management strategy, where we're talking about our council buildings and our council sites and how those can be best maximised and used to their fullest, and how that fits in with other sites that might be identified elsewhere in policy. For example, in our local plan, where we have site allocations right across the borough, but obviously talking here specifically in Brentford, in Brentford, I've got Brentford on the mind, in Feltham. What is key, though, is what I said at the beginning, is that this is done in collaboration with residents. So, what I'm asking for today is for us to approve the draft master plan refresh, but specifically number two is to approve the programme of formal engagement. So, there will be two or three months-long worth of engagement with people in the community and obviously people outside Feltham as well, who are keen to have their say in what they would like to see, that might encourage them to stay and live there or come and visit or come and work there. It talks, hopefully, to the impact, the new impact of jobs on the area and new homes, upgrades to various open spaces, all the kind of things that we know people would want to see and I know from conversations with people that they want to see, but it's how that comes about and exactly what specifically people are going to tell us when we give them an opportunity to focus on the draft master plan. So, looking at Appendix 1, that's the starting point for this conversation. There have been conversations already that have taken place and I want us to be really clear, and this has been communicated to people already and will continue to be communicated, that things that have been said so far haven't been lost. It's important that we don't feel, and I don't want people to feel, that they're starting again, but that this builds on what was there before and this extends that and improves that and that we can continue those conversations over the next few months and come back here with the refreshed Felton master plan. I'm able to evidence to everyone sitting around the table that we've had a wealth of engagement, as is outlined in the report, that people have been committed to the changes or sticking to the principles of the draft master plan and that ultimately, over the next few years, Felton continues to thrive as we want it to do. So, I move the recommendations, Lena. Thank you, Councillor Bruce. I'll second it and reserve my right to speak. It's now open for discussion, questions, debate. Anybody on this? Councillor Thompson. Can I just sort of welcome the lead members' commitment to community involvement? I was heartened by the several times you mentioned it's not our master plan, it's the people's, it's the residents, and obviously for this plan to work, it has to be rooted in the real priorities of the community. I think the previous document was very high in ambition, but perhaps it wasn't terribly clear in terms of, you know, what and when and how and how much and timeframes, whereas this document actually does seem to say that. So, all those questions will come, won't they? What are we building? Where are we going to pay for it? What are we going to do with the open spaces? But I think this is a positive approach, and I do hope the consultation is well responded to, if I can, by residents, as you say, businesses, and all those who have an interest, like we all do, in ensuring that Feltham thrives. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Thompson. Anyone else on this? So, obviously, I preserve the right to speak, so I definitely do welcome this, and actually, to your point, Councillor Thompson, it's a point well made. Actually, some of those conversations have already started. The community in Feltham is very tight-knit. They are very wedded to their place, and they know it really well. So, they bring a wealth of experience and also our mission as well, which I think will be really, really welcome. I think Councillor Bruce is absolutely right to talk about the engagement in this, and this will follow the principles that we've established under our radical overhaul of consultation and engagement, which, you know, this is really putting that through its paces and making sure it works properly, because if there's one thing I know, the good people Feltham will tell us if it's not working very well. So, and we'd welcome that, actually. You know, that conversation will be good. It's absolutely right that the context has changed since the last Masterpan, so this does build on it, but it is realistic in terms of what it can deliver and the benefits it will have for residents. So, wholeheartedly welcome it. If there is no one else, we'll go straight to the vote. Sorry, I need the... So, the recommendations on this are on page 11. One, two, three. Can I see all those in favour? That is carried. Thank you very much. Good. Now move on to the next item on the agenda, which is the Hounslow Post-16 School Travel Assistance Policy Consultation on Policy Changes. Councillor Chowdhury. Thank you, Leader. Councillor Samir Chowdhury, Cabinet Member for Education, Children's Skills, Employment. This is the consultation on the policy change. So, this report outlines the adaption of two travel assistance policies for persons of sixth form, age and adult learners, with an education, health and care plan. The report recommends that Cabinet approves a consultation on significant board's changes to be included in a new persons of sixth form, age and adult travel assistance policy, which is outlined in three. So, these recommendations are being proposed because the council duty of provide travel assistance changes at sixth form, age. Year 12, 13, 14, from strategy to discretionary. While assistance may be provided to sixth form students, it is not required to be free or to be arranged transport. It is important to note that when young people commence a new course after their 19th birthday, the council duty changes again. Assessing the provision of free transport of these, assessed as having no other means of transportation to access their placement, The council also has its discretionary to provide assistance if the council does not consider it's necessary to provide the transport. So, with this consultation on policy change, what we'll be doing, we'll be doing a proper consultation plan. A public consultation plan is that it will, from 21st of May to 13th of July, we'll do the consultation. We've planned, we're thinking about three in-person events, one in West, Central and East Townsville, two we'll do virtual based on the demand. If there is a demand, we can do more virtual. We'll be engaging with the SEND professionals, peer and care forums, and online survey to be shared with all necessary secondary school age and above currently receiving school travel assistance through emails. And support will be offered to those unable to respond online. The project teams are already working with the communication team about the social media posts. So, with this, I move the report and the basic recommendations are on page three. There are three recommendations for this report. Thank you, Leader. Thank you, Councillor Chandri. I will formally second and reserve my right to speak. It's now open for discussion, debate, questions. Can't see anyone indicating on this one. I think, you know, the point that comes out in this is that transition from 16 into adulthood. And I think it's absolutely right that we focus on travel training and the ability to live as much of an independent life as possible. I think that's really important in the context of this, whilst also having that ability for those that absolutely need it the most to still have a policy in place should it be required. I think it's a change. I think you're absolutely right to highlight that, Councillor Chandri. And it's a change that we'll have to communicate very sensitively. So I'm glad we're doing the consultation in the way that we're doing it and the engagement and the social media posts as well to help those people who currently have service understand some of those changes and what impact it may well have on them. But overall, whilst change may be difficult, I think it is a positive change that would be helpful to young people. So I fully endorse this. Councillor Dunn. Thank you. I'm Councillor Catherine Dunn, Cabinet Member for Climate, Environment and Transport. But there is clearly a need for change here and there is a financial need. But I think it's an exciting opportunity. And I think that the change will not, you know, this change is going to be positive for a lot of people. We are talking about instilling independence in people here and it aligns with our transport strategy, for example, which is all about enabling people to independently, safely, confidently, reliably travel around the borough. Now, some people need more assistance with that than others and that's what our policy recognises. But what we want is for it to instill that independence and not to have people simply relying and never taking that next step, which has perhaps happened for some in the past. So we obviously have to be very sensitive about it. We have to also accept that some people will never gain that independence and we have to make sure that our provision is right for them as well. But I think this is a really positive step forward and that will assist a lot of people to perhaps find a freedom that they haven't had before. Thank you, Councillor Dunham. I can't see anyone else indicating. Councillor Chad, do you want to sum up? No, thank you very much. I think the independent travel training which we were already doing, it's really important what Councillor Dunham and yourself have said. It's really good for those. We completely understand there will be some which will not be able to travel independent, but I think it's really good on the families as well if they take up the independent travel training scheme as well. Thank you. Good. Thank you, Councillor Chadwick. Right. The recommendations on this report are on page 71 to 3. Can I see all those in favour? That is unanimous. Thank you very much. Right. We now move on to the commissioning of Homeless and Mental Health Supported Accommodation. Councillor Bath. Thank you. Councillor Lily Bath, Cabinet Member for Adult Social Care, Public Health and Health Integration. So, what I'm bringing to you tonight is a report about how we commission supported accommodation for some of our most vulnerable adults. Currently in Hounslow, we commission two accommodation-based contracts that support some of our most vulnerable adults. One is around providing housing for those with complex mental health needs. And the other is around homelessness supporting those with mental health and substance misuse. Currently, we commission both of these contracts separately. But what I'm asking the Cabinet to do today is allow us to go forward in commissioning these as one contract for a number of reasons. Firstly, we want to make sure that it's cost efficiency savings in terms of we're not duplicating and it makes more sense that we have a seamless service. But also, it gives us an opportunity to re-look at some of the services that are provided within these contracts and to ensure that we try and have better outcomes for some of our residents. Because supported accommodation is about making sure that people who need help and support get the right kind of support so that they can move on where they need to in terms of being independent. And this obviously helps us in terms of avoiding escalating need and those that could possibly end up in a crisis situation. So what will we do? We'll be doing recommissioning two contracts in one. We will be able to obviously make better use of our property portfolio as well. Currently, we've got housing provided we've got complex mental health need housing provided across 33 units and then homeless supported housing across 87 units across the borough. So yeah, I think probably nothing much more to say really apart from the fact that I know that we're always conscious about money and we need to make sure that we spend as efficiently as possible by sort of approaching this in this particular way we will be able to save money in adult social care and that's going to be really important moving forward because we've spoken many times about the pressures on our budget and how we need to make sure that we are delivering better outcomes for residents but also at a more efficient cost as well. So I've probably got nothing more to say but in terms of recommendations if I can ask Cabinet to approve recommendations one to two on page 47. Thank you. Thank you. Councillor Bath, Councillor Sampson, are you seconding this? Yes, later on. I'd like to reserve my right to speak. Sorry. It's all right. We got the gist. Okay, so it's been moved and seconded. It's now open for discussion, questions, debate. Councillor Thompson. Yeah, vitally important area, isn't it, to get right. As the report makes clear there, there are a couple of risks, aren't there? There is the risk of registered providers not wanting to go forward with what we're proposing and there's also a risk, isn't there, that our lease prices are too high which puts people off and I can't quite see within the report what we plan to do to mitigate against those because the worst case scenario, isn't it, is that a lot of providers say, actually, it's not worth it anymore. I'm not interested and we end up with actually more of a problem than we started and the important savings don't actually materialise. So is there, again, if it's in here, I apologise, but is there something in place just to try and address those two concerns? Anyone else on this one? Well, then I think you better sum up then. Thank you for that question. Yes, it's really important. There is work being done actually with the providers to help them to make sure that they are actually able to do that and I think you're absolutely right that if there's provider failure, then obviously we won't be able to not just make the efficiency savings but able to provide the services that we want to in the first place. But at the moment, we will obviously monitor it very closely but at the moment, as far as I am aware, there is no risk of provider failure at the moment but it's important to be aware of that. Yeah, and work has to be done to do that. So we've got to make sure that we continue monitoring that. But thank you for that question. Okay, good. The recommendations are on page 102, 1 and 2. Can I see all those in favour? That is carried. Thank you very much. Right, we now move on to item 6, Brentford Police Station and Albany Riverside collaboration agreement. Councillor Bruce. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. So item 6 and indeed 7 are mine and I think it's probably at this point sensible to point out the sort of connections between the two, both in Brentford, both talking about providing, in essence, homes as well as various other amenities around them. What they have in common as well is the fact that they have been economically challenging and I think that everyone would acknowledge that. I certainly would. And it is about this council and it is about this cabinet and the departments trying to find a way through. I think what it shows by bringing both of these here today is that we are still committed to Brentford. We are still committed to the delivery of both of these sites that are going to have a significantly positive impact on the residents of Brentford. Speaking about, obviously, item 6 that we're talking about here, Brentford Police Station, Albany Riverside, not to be confused with Albany Parade, but Albany Riverside where we're talking about the Waterman's Building and Waterman's Park Building, not the actual park itself, but it's called Waterman's Park. It's very confusing, all these very similar names in the area. But we've got three sites there with a combination of ownership. One is owned by the council, two are owned by Topland Group. And what this report is asking for today is to ask to agree for us to go into a collaboration agreement with Topland on these three sites to essentially continue to move these sites forward. The background to this has been quite long, but essentially the most recent difficulty has been finding a housing provider, a registered provider to support the delivery of the housing on Site 1, which is the Brentford Police Station site, which will include in the future the new arts centre. That has been a significant challenge. But also in the report, it talks about specifically on Site 1, the collaboration agreement or the heads of terms collaboration with a registered provider, which we have been in talks with, along with Topland, over the last few weeks. I am delighted to say that I am able to announce who that provider is today. I didn't make it into a report because the legal stuff hadn't got sorted out. But I'm absolutely delighted to say that we will be agreeing in principle, the heads of terms, with Metropolitan Thames Valley Housing, along with Topland, on Site 1, to deliver all the affordable homes and the beginnings, the shell and core of the arts centre below. Really exciting news and absolutely fantastic that we're getting much further forward in the delivery of that site, as well as being able to talk in more detail about Site 2 and 3 and bringing those homes forward as well. What the report also talks about is the arts centre and us beginning to describe how we see the future of the arts centre in Brentford. We are looking far and wide. There's been, as Councillor Shaheen has said, there's been quite a lot of conversation about this in local press and various articles have been written specifically on the arts because I know that is something that really matters to lots of people. It certainly matters to us. It matters to people in Brentford. We want the best quality arts and culture offer in Brentford. We want to be able to use our brand new arts centre when we get to that point in the best possible way and we want the best providers and we want the best acts. We want the best everything, don't we? I feel I sound a bit like Trump, but we want the best everything. But it is really important to us and I know Councillor Shaheen will talk about that a bit more. So, really fantastic news, really great us being able to move forward with Topland here or hopefully with agreement of Cabinet to move forward with Topland and also to continue that conversation with Metropolitan Thames Valley Housing on the delivery of the site, of Site 1, the Brentford Police Station site. So, I move the report, Leader. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Bruce. That's massively exciting. Councillor Shaheen, in a second. Thank you very much, Leader. Yes, I second this report and thank you, Councillor Bruce, for bringing this forward but also for the frenetic amount of work you and officers on your team have been doing to get this over the line and to the place we're in at now. I mean, you can look at that site and residents have for a long time the derelict police station and now closed Waterman's, former Waterman's Arts Centre and people can see nothing's happening on the site and they assume nothing's happening at all. But actually, everything that we need to do to get to this situation happens behind the scenes. All the conversations that have to be had, all the deals that need to be made and it's a fantastic testament to the work that officers and yourself have done to get that to where we are today. This is, what we're seeing now are the final pieces of the puzzle coming together to get this development moving forward and to build that new arts centre on the site of the old police station. And I've said it before and I'll say it again, I want that to be a world-class arts centre. I want national-class acts coming into the borough, coming into Brentford and using that art centre in the facilities that we provide. And there will be people who say that sounds like sound and fury, that I want to make Brentford great again. But I think we absolutely have to be ambitious for the area and we've every right to be ambitious for Brentford. It's a burgeoning town. It's got a Premier League football club, new High Street coming along. We've got all the acts that are coming into Gunterswood Park and Boston Manor Park, I think, and a burgeoning population as well, increasing by a third with all the regeneration we see. Plus the area surrounding, of course, we've got Chiswick, Ealing, we've got Richmond, we've got Kew, all on the borders. So I'm absolutely confident if we build the right facilities, we can get an art centre in that place, which is going to attract the audiences and the acts that we want to see. And they really should be, I think, the absolute top quality acts. And that's why we've made the decision and we're announcing the decision here in this report that we will be going to an open tender process. And of course, Hounslow Arts Trust that ran the old Waterman's Arts Centre, we expect to see a proposal from them, a revised business plan. And we want to receive that proposal from them. We look forward to receiving it and testing it against other operators in the market as well. And we expect there to be a tremendous interest in this new arts centre. And going forward, I think that this sets out the process from here on and paves the way for us to build that new arts centre. Amen. Thank you, Councillor Sheen. Anyone else on this one? Councillor Thompson. Always nice to hear Councillor Sheen's enthusiasm and positivity and hope for the site. We all want, I think someone once said, spades in the ground as soon as possible. I might be new. And that's an impossible question because obviously if I was a resident of Brentford and I just live around the corner, so I also want this to thrive and develop. I think I actually asked the same question last time this report came forward or some of it. When do we think? And also, I suppose, a more perhaps question you can answer. I'm not particularly au fait with the market when it comes to art centres, theatres, galleries, museums. I know there are lots of suffering and they're closing down across the country, funding issues, arts council, weird decisions and all the rest of it. So again, is that confidence of yours, which is great, is it actually based on reality or is it all these conversations you're having behind the scenes? Do you genuinely feel we are going to get someone coming forward and they're going to stick with us? In a departure from tradition, I'll allow Cancer Machine to answer that one. Yes, yes, it is based on reality. There have been expressions of interest from other people. We haven't launched the tender process. Details of that will be forthcoming, but we already have people asking us if they can run an arts centre and they have come to us with proposals. They've come to us with market research, which has been very impressive. Now, that's, you know, that's at least a number of proposals already that we expect to see, including the existing one from Hounslow Arts Trust, and we're asking them to go back and do further market research and look at what can be done in that building with the new revised designs, which, of course, adapted based on the post-Grenfell safety regulations. So I am confident based on the very preliminary conversations we've already had, I'm confident and that tender process will bring out more. I'm absolutely sure of that. Spades in the ground, it is, I admit, a slightly glib comment. But, as I say, all the stepping stones we need to see that happen are happening and all the conversations that have to be had, this paper's part of it and I still hope to see activity before the summer's out. anyone else on this one? And I think just to build on Councillor Shaheen's answer to you, Councillor Dawson, I think you're right, the economy's been very difficult and actually what tends to go for a number of councils when they're having to make tough decisions is arts and culture. We've done the opposite. We've been very vocal about saying how important arts, culture and heritage is in the borough, how much there already is going on and I think people respond to that and so Councillor Shaheen's quite right, there is a lot of interest and there will be more as the tender process goes through. For us, it's about being really thorough and rigorous in that sort of assessment of those bids to make sure that not only does it deliver for now, but it also delivers in the future as well. But I think it's an important first step being able to say that actually not only are we open for business, not only do we want to develop, not only do we need housing, but actually we've got an offer on arts and culture that is woven into the fabric of our borough. That's a very important message for those that are looking to invest money as well. So, good. I can't see anyone else on this. So, the recommendations are on page 158. One to three. Can I see all those in favour? So good, I'm going to vote twice. There you go. Thank you. That's carried. Right. We then move on to item seven, Charlton House and Albany House estate regeneration delivery plan. Councillor Bruce. Fantastic. Yes. At the beginning of item six, I linked this and that together. I'm going to do the same again, really, and just talk about this in one thing because it is about Brentford and it links, actually, both link with the Felton piece where I was talking about placemaking, that the Felton master plan is about placemaking. The delivery of things there will, in a sense, echo what we're trying to deliver and what the attempt to deliver in Brentford at the moment is here. It is about placemaking as well as just building things. It's about creating that sense, the arts centre and the cultural hub that Councillor Shaheen talks about as part of this, but what Brentford is going to be like. It's not for the council, it is for the residents and it is about delivering those homes homes of all tenures, but particularly here on, when we're talking about Charlton House, it is about re-delivering those council homes that we know we absolutely desperately need. There have been difficulties here, there's absolutely no question about that. There have been some significant difficulties about moving this forward, but what we have seen across the borough and in Brentford is that we have been delivering, over the last number of years, as well as in this administration, hundreds of council homes. We have many that have been delivered and many in the pipeline at the moment. We have taken the difficult step on going out and actually saying to people, look, we want to knock down your home. This is what we said to people in Charlton House. We want to re-provide your home elsewhere and we've moved people into much superior accommodation across the borough, but mostly in Brentford, a lot in Tinson House, Sonnet House and Hamlet across the road and then we want to re-provide council homes for lots more people on this site. Now, the situation we find ourselves in with trying to build these homes is the economic situation means that the HRA is very, very stretched. So, the costs on this are too high and we need to look again. That's basically what it is in a nutshell. we need to have a rethink about how we can design this in a different way in order that it can be delivered. We could choose to do nothing. We could say, fine, you know, we've re-provided those homes to the people that were living there. We can't afford this. Actually, let's just leave it and wait for better economic times. We could do that. Could that be three years, five years, ten years? I don't know. We've not chosen to do that. What we're saying is we're going forward with that reprovision and we want to do that here. We want to do that on this site and we want to make sure that we maximise what we can get within the money that we have in which to deliver it and I think that's really important, making sure that we cut our cloth accordingly for want of a better phrase. So, it's really important we recognise the context that this is in but the fact that we are still pressing forward with delivery here and trying to find a way forward. What we don't want to do is completely stop. What we also don't want to do alongside our agreement to deliver is to completely slow down. That has risks elsewhere in terms of the grant we get. So, we're trying to find this way, this sort of middle way without wishing to sound like Tony Blair, a third way of doing a redesign but doing it within the time frames that mean this can still keep the grant that we've been given, that we've been allocated from the GLA and that we can get spades in the ground to use a phrase of Councillor Shaheen's as soon as possible making sure that as soon as possible residents of our borough who are in need of homes can move in. That's ultimately what we're trying to do here. So, there's a lot, there's some challenges around this but I'm not going to shirk those challenges, we're not going to shirk those challenges and we are committed right across the borough and here specifically when we're talking about here to delivering those homes and I know a lot of this work we all know a lot of this work was started by former leader Councillor Steve Curran and he would want us to see this through, I know that. He was very committed to delivering high quality homes for people, making our estates better which this will do and so therefore I move the recommendations in the report later. Thank you Councillor Bruce. Councillor Thompson are you going to second? Yes leader and I reserve my right to speak. Thank you Councillor Thompson it's been moved and seconded and we'll go into discussion debate Councillor Dunn. Thank you. Yes I really welcome this report although it is obviously disappointing that we don't have the funds to be able to continue with the plans that are already in place and with the design that was put forward I think we need to be clear about what we've already achieved on this site as Councillor Bruce has said all those people who were living in Charlton House and Albany House and the other buildings around there have now moved into new homes and many of them moved into brand new new homes within Brentford or in other parts of the borough or into other accommodation that is suitable for their needs and it is much better than where they were living before because we need to be clear the state of those buildings was not good it does need to be redeveloped it's not a case that we can simply refurbish it as some suggestions elsewhere have been made it would not be possible to meet decent home standards if we were to do that and so I think we are making the right decision here by going with the recommended option because that means that we can redesign within the current planning consent within the current and retain the grant from the GLA that puts constraints on us in terms of time delivery and in terms of cost so we are working within two parameters but it is good that we set ourselves those parameters otherwise you know the time could just go on and on and so I don't think this is a disaster for Brentford as again has been said this is a setback but this is something that ultimately will deliver something good and we are being realistic about what can be achieved and when it can be achieved so thank you for bringing the report thank you Councillor Dunn endorse everything you've just said anyone else on this one no I can't see anyone indicating so the recommendations are on page 172 1.1 to 1.5 can I see all those in favour that is carried unanimously thank you very much oh you don't want to submit okay fine good right I've not had any referrals from other council committees and I've not had any urgent business the date of our next meeting is Tuesday the 17th of June 2025 would someone mind moving exclusion to press and public Councillor Chowdhury is that seconded Councillor Bruce is that agreed agreed right in which case members of public in the audience and those watching online thank you for joining us this evening have a very good evening