Transcript

Good morning, everybody. This is a meeting of the Licensing Act 2003 Subcommittee of the London Borough of Newham for the granting of a premises license to Crushed Cocktails, 83 Halliwell Crescent, East Ham, E6 5XR. The meeting recording will be available after the meeting on the Council's YouTube channel. In accordance with the Member's Code of Conduct, the three councillors on the committee are required to declare any relevant interests on any matter being considered. I have nothing to declare. I have nothing to declare. Nothing to declare. Thank you. And now for introductions. I'm Councillor Jane Lofthouse, representing Plasso South, and I shall be chairing this meeting. I'm Councillor Jennifer Bailey, representing Manor Park Ward. Sorry, I'm trying to turn this thing off. I'm Councillor Winston Vaughan, representing Forest Gate South Ward. Thank you very much. Case officer? Showpass Field Licensing Team, London Borough of Newham. Thank you. Ian McConnell, Commercial Environmental Health. Thank you very much. And the applicant? That's representing Crushed Cocktails. Thank you very much. Right. I'll now briefly run through the procedure at the meeting. The licensing case officer will present their report. We then move to representations from the responsible authorities, which will be the commercial environment health team. And members can seek clarification at any point during this. The applicant will then present their case, and members may seek clarification there, as may the responsible authorities. Finally, members may pass a resolution to deliberate in private and exclude the press and public, including parties and their representatives. The clerk will remain with members to provide advice on procedure. When the decision has been reached, the meeting will reconvene, and the decision of the subcommittee will be announced in public. Full written copies of the decision will be sent to the applicant, responsible authorities, and interested parties, usually within five working days. Parties who have taken part in this hearing may appeal against the decision to the magistrate's court within 21 days. This is an administrative hearing under the 2003 Act, and as we are not trained lawyers, we rely on legal advice if required. Our legal representative? Hi, Sergeant Monmouth, London Borough. Would this be an appropriate moment for you to... Mr Manning, I should capacity. Thank you. I'd like to let everybody know that we base our decision on written and oral submissions. The clerk will take minutes of the meeting, so if you'd like to make sure you're set up. Thank you very much. We have one other person here. Oh, Steve Jackson, licensing team chair. Thank you very much, Steve. If anyone wishes to ask a question, please raise your hand and then wait to be asked. Finally, do please remember, mobile phones, do turn them off. Thank you very much. So now, the case officer would like to... So, new premises, license application for cross cocktails at 83 Hallowell question. East Ham, East Star. It's in the Becton Ward. So, the members of the licensing subcommittee are asked to hear and determine new application for the premises for crush cocktails. Can it is crush cocktails limited? And any valid representations have been made. The application for new premises license was received by the licensing authority on the 1st of April 2025. This was advertised at the premises and the local newspaper. Copy of the application is attached in Appendix A. The application is for the following. Provision of alcohol delivery only. And that's Monday to Sunday, midnight to midnight, so 24 hours a day. And the opening times are midnight to midnight, 24 hours a day. Representations. The Council's commercial environmental health team have made representation against the application as a responsible authority on the grounds of prevention of public nuisance. Copy of their letter is attached as Appendix B. So, where the licensing authority decides to impose conditions on a license, whether in the CIZ or not, such conditions must be appropriate and proportionate for the promotion of the license. Licensing objectives, conditions should be clear and unequivocal. The premises license does not fall in the CIZ. The Secretary of State has issued guidance to licensing authorities to which they must regard, have regard in carrying out their licensing functions. Members of the subcommittee should, if the guidance are available, the means of the subcommittee. Alternatively, copies can be obtained from the direct committee clerk license apart from the guidance, if they have good reasons to do so. This premises have not previously held a premises license. A plan of the premises attached as Appendix D and the area and map and street view as Appendix E. The members of the licensing subcommittee are asked to hear the application representations of the license holder, any valid representations received by the responsible authorities, determine an application. I just need to go back to the police's representation. That's been, there's some conditions that have been agreed by both parties and the police have withdrawn their representation. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. So there's also two additional supplementaries in supplementary pack one and supplementary pack two. Which everyone has seen. Supplementary pack, I looked at it yesterday. It doesn't include the full scope of the emails that me and Mr. Ian had. It comes up to a certain date, I think Friday, but we had a back conversation on the Monday from yesterday. It includes me putting forward a different time swapper. I'll just speak on Shane's behalf there. Please do. Negotiations between the applicant and obviously noise and nuisance doesn't all have to be supplementary. It's just the case you can explain the discussion. As the representation related so much to the location, is it possible for us to see on the screen area? Just a better feeling of where things are? Sorry. Sorry Shane. This is 83 Hannibal Crescent. It's a domestic property. So the front door is to the bottom left. Yeah. The left hand section. With a single garage, the right of the rear, that small box in the top corner. Yeah. That would be the garage area. Yes. So the street view of that. As you see, there's the garages. The front doors, inside those bins. And then if we just pan around. So this is Halliwell Crescent. Yeah. One way road. And this is the direction of flower traffic heading up where we're going now. And the suggested where delivery drivers will be and so on is immediately opposite. 83. Is that right? I believe so. Parking spaces that was suspected on the supplementary one, I believe it is. Only quiet residential area. Page four of the supplementary one. Yes. Yeah. All right. I think that's. That gives us a fairly good picture of that. Okay. I don't have any other questions for this case officer. Jennifer? Yeah. Do you? I'll do it weeks. Yeah. I see. Do you have any? I'll jump to the location itself. Is it a house? It's a house. It is a house. All right. If you could just focus onto the, it's just a bit to the right, isn't it? That's this. That's eight or two in the corner. Is that right? That's right. That's the one right on the. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the address. And then the, where the black car's parked. That's the garage. That is your garage, isn't it? That's the garage. Yes. Whose garage is it actually? It's our garage, yeah. Yours. Mm-hmm. So this is only for storing the items then, is it? Nothing is made there as such. No. Is it where? No. Yeah. So this is only for storing the items then, is it? Nothing is made there as such. No. Is it where? Just storage. Just delivery from there. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Okay. So nothing is actually made on site. Nothing is made on site. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. You do, you do have a question on, on the health office's presentation. Yes. Yes. It's to do with the storage. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Okay. Actually, maybe do we know where, where on that site, the alcohol will be stored? So the plan that was laid out to us covers the whole property. property. I'd assume it's in the garage. Yes, the whole premises is where the license is applied for. Yes, yes. So I think that probably waits for the applicant. Yes. Thank you. Right. I'm nothing else to ask you. Anything Ian, would you like? No. And any further questions? Okay, so now we move over to Ian. First environmental health team is making representation in respect of this application in relation to the licensing initiative. You have been seeking to live with family every day, 24 hours a day. Nearest residential is the neighboring premises. They're also residential premises. The applicant intends to prevent public nuisance by complying with regulations and limiting the volume of alcohol customer can purchase time. The premises is situated on one way streets in a part residential area. The applicants change the area where alcohol is going to be picked up. So that's not relevant now. Concerned that noise arising from drivers collecting orders will cause a disturbance to other residents in the area, particularly late at night in the warm arts of the year when residents may need to have windows open at night. Type of noise could arise. Drivers collecting orders includes slamming loud voices, car and motorbike engines, car radios, and noise from loading. Thus, our virtual environment helped us to make a formal representation in respect to this application. Jay, there was a photograph attached, which I've apologized for was wrecked photograph. Oh, pleasing all that. All right. Norwich. We have had some, as the applicant was saying, I've had some emails from the applicant yesterday. And he was proposing a cut off time of 3am at the weekend on the Friday of Saturday, Sunday morning. During the week, I think, I think that's correct. To my mind, that is still potential for causing a disturbance to other residents in the area. I'm not prepared to withdraw my representation on that basis. Right. Thank you. And some what one of the correspondence you you mentioned, the hours, which you've just mentioned now, or possibly relocating, you know, finding a different area. Is it either or or both that you're you would be recommending ideally from a more a more suitable location? Yeah, I mean, it is a very, very quiet residential area. And I'm concerned that this type of business is probably aiming I mean, the applicant will be able to provide more information on this aiming for after a sort of 11 o'clock in the evening. When a lot of supermarkets and other sources delivery are closed. And that's precisely the time when people might be wanting to go to sleep, when there's likely to be a disturbance. But I'm sure the applicant will provide more information on that. Yes. And you feel that any of the cyclists or cycle deliveries and so on, you feel that whichever one it was, could still be a disturbance, because you mentioned car doors slamming and so on. Do you think it's not cars or bicycle conversation with the applicant, he was talking about maximum of 14 deliveries a day, which has the potential, just you just have to have one of those drivers to act in a way, which is unreasonable, noisy vehicle. Yeah, have a loud voice, or to bang on the door or something. Yeah, are starting to disturb people. And if there were restriction on which type of vehicles were used, would that make a difference? That would make a difference. But there's still obviously the potential there, because it is very quiet. Yes, right. Okay. And yeah, so I suppose there's no way one can guarantee that the vehicles would be silent. But you would, if they were, the location would be all right. It's just the noise. Yeah. We obviously want licensed premises or life license holders and businesses to be successful. Yes, more successful he is the more potential there is for it to cause a nuisance to residence. Yes. And 14 can soon become

1. Right. Okay, thank you that that's all I do have any questions. So according to the representation, it's just been made. Okay, the questions on that? No, not the applicant just for the applicant. Okay. Now, anybody else any questions for Ian? Do you have any questions for? All right. Okay, so now we come over to you if you'd like, Kwame. Kwame, is that all right? If you'd like to make your presentation? The nature of the business does, it will, it does dictate a certain time it has to operate. During the summer months, which is Miss Ian's main concern. Yes. The business's operation hours will go closer into the day. Because people tend to buy the product that we're selling more during sunny hours in the summer months. So it's not going to, to me, the time during sorry, sorry, I mean, I mean, I'm not forced here. The time the operation times. Yeah. That I've suggested to him in the email would be, I would limit them during the week and limit them during the weekend compared to the original application. In the in the original application I made, I did limit the times. But after a little bit of deliberation, I decided to go for the 24 hour period. But it was always within my interest to limit the time because of the school around the corner. When I spoke to the police, when they made their representations, I made it clear to them that I never intended to operate during a certain period of time. And I've been willing to reduce that even further. So I have my center missy in the email yesterday, I believe, or Monday, sorry, saying I'll finish up 1am and 3am on the weekend to hopefully limit the amount of noise that would be late into the night. I also stated in a document that I attached to one of the emails, I think that you've received that, that I will be making sure that certain vehicles will be used as little as possible. Because I'm going through delivery apps, if they do just send, rarely that anyway, with delivery apps, now do people even use larger vehicles such as cars? It's just too expensive to run on what they're earning now compared to how it used to be. So a lot of cars aren't used for deliveries anymore. Now it's tends to be more pedal bikes, e-bikes, and small engine motorbikes, which I understand could still be a concern. But cars are very, very rarely used for deliveries anymore. And if they are, then I will personally take it out of my way to make sure that those individuals are not coming to pick up deliveries from us. Because I do understand that cars can create quite a noise with the slamming doors and the engines and such. But e-bikes, pedal bikes, and the small engine motorbikes, living in the house that I live in, you don't hear them when they pass by. You don't hear them. I live on the front of the house. Traffic goes by every day. On the other side, you can see that in the image that there's like a front of vegetation. And across from that is a main road. It's Tolgate Road. You don't hear anything going up there through the night. And vehicles do pass by all hours of the night anyway. Not many, to be fair. Not too many. But it is a one-way street. So if you do come through the road, you have to pass every road, every house on the road every time you enter the road anyway. So it is a quieter road. But because of the nature of the one-way street, and how many houses are located on the street, it's not as quiet as it may seem from looking at a picture. Because everybody has to pass every house on the way around anyway. You see, there are quite a few cars parked there, which means a lot of people have cars. On my part of the road, everybody on my part of the road has to drive. So extending onwards. On the left-hand side of my house, there's maybe five properties that don't... No, there's two properties that don't have drives. The rest have drives. So a lot of people on my side of the road park in their drives. So that part, across from the road, it tends to be more empty. Yes. Should we just start asking you questions then? No, that's fine. Yes. So what extent do you feel you can control whether they're pedal bikes or e-bikes or whatever? You mentioned it just now, but could you expand on that? So the nature of the business is through delivery apps. When I receive an order, it would tell me what vehicle that they're being delivered on. And I could cancel it straight away. Or alternatively, if I do receive a... Because that's Uber. I know that's with Uber Eats specifically. Yeah. But I'm not sure with all of the delivery apps. So Uber Eats specifically, because I've worked with that before, they tell you the vehicle that is being delivered on. Yeah. But I'm not sure about all of the apps, because there are about five in total that I'm looking to use. If those ones don't denote which vehicle it's going to be, when they arrive and they take the order, I can then note down that driver and then not take orders from them in the future. But like I said, it is quite rare for them to use a vehicle, like cars now, because it's just too expensive. Right. Okay. Let's move over to my colleagues, and then I'll ask you some more. Yeah. Your product do have alcohol, yes? Yeah. Yeah. And how secure is the storage for your alcohol? So it's going to be locked up in a garage, locked, secured, the garage is secure anyway. And then I'm going to install, once the license is agreed, I'm going to install... So no one would be able to... No. No one would be able to... Especially, we're worried about children. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. No one would be able to... It's all separate from the house. The garage has its own door, and its own locking mechanism. So it's going to be separate from everything else in the house. That's secure. Yes. So is that where you'd actually be delivering, I mean, giving to the delivery drivers from, from the garage? Well, no. It was initially going to be from the back of the garage, but now I'm going to... Oh, I'll take it to the front of the house. The house? So, yes. I'll go from the back of the house into the garage, into the garage, and then back in out the front of the house. And you mentioned CCTV in your application. That's... Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't have it at the moment, but if the application went through, I'll purchase CCTV, obviously, to protect the product. And put it where? Sorry? Where would you put it? Where would you put the... I would get a ring doorbell on the outside of the, of the property, down the outside of the garage, and then I'd have CCTV on the inside of the garage. But it would only face your premise, your land, I think? Yeah, it would be the drive, and then... Just for your drive? Yeah, yeah. So that, so if I put it on the garage, it would literally see from my drive, and then out into the street across the road, which has no other houses there. Okay. Regarding, actually, what you're selling, what alcohol are you selling, and what are the... So it'll be beers, spirits, and pre-mixed cocktails. Everything can be produced off-site. I'll just be ordering it in wholesale, selling it. Drinks? ABV? So the beers are like 4% to 6%, spirits vary 32% to 40%, just... And then the cocktails, they all have their individual strengths. I have a personal license myself, so I know the regulations when it comes to, when it comes to selling alcohol, and duty of care, stuff like that. Oh, okay. Oh, you did say something about you'd limit the quantities that you sold. Could you expand on that? So if a certain property is delivering, is ordering a lot of alcohol, I can just stop them from ordering anymore. That's wonderful. If I see that, it's become... Sorry? I just wondered what you meant by a lot. It comes down to standard duty of care. Like, if somebody's ordering... Like, I'm going to sell in... Like, a beer, I'll sell in a four pack. If they're buying three or four, I could see that that's getting... That's excessive. So I can be... I'll take my own duty of care to be like, all right, this is becoming excessive. There's no reason why an individual is going to need this much. Perfect. Okay, well, can I follow on from that and then hand over to Winston? How are you going to ensure... I know the police have withdrawn their representation, but how are you going to ensure that under-18s don't have access, that when the alcohol is delivered, it's not delivered to an under-18 or not ordered by? How will you ensure? As I stated in my counter to the representation from the police, as the nature of the business means that I don't see a customer face-to-face. So my responsibility will be to, if I put forward any market materials, any material that will show the public the business, everything on there will show it's 18 plus only. It's not for the consumption of anybody under the age of 18. And then delivery apps themselves all have a system in place where they ID any purchases on the door, make sure that anybody underage isn't purchasing the product themselves. So that's through the delivery app. But because I don't see them face-to-face, I will have to be reliant on the fact that anything that you see in my business will say it's for 18 plus only, and then the delivery apps are following through with the identification on the door. On the door. Yeah. All right. Thank you very much. I've got a few more things I'd like to ask, but if you'd like to go and see. Yeah. Oh, thank you very much. Um, I wonder if you can describe to me the process of a single order. What, what is the, how do you surface that? Could you repeat that? Could you explain to me how, what's the reaction to a single order? Somebody ring, you said you use apps, right? So you go on the app and you find the order is there. So you usually receive a, like a PDU piece of equipment, like a tablet. And an order will come through on that, where it will list the driver, the vehicle registration, then the order. So then you can either choose to accept that order or refuse that order. You enter that, you would, let's say it was four beers, you'd accept the order. You'd fulfill the order, take it, put it in a bag, wait for the delivery driver to come. When the delivery driver arrives on the door, you share a code, give the delivery driver the item and then they leave and proceed to a fulfilled order. So that's the sing, the single order. That'll be the, yeah. Okay. Okay. So what, in terms of the makeup of whatever the order might be, so you can provide any order which comes through your app? Yeah. Accept or refuse any order. Yeah. So what normal quantities do you actually sell through that process? Well, everything will. One, six, seven, eight, could you be inviting, let's say a restaurant or something like that? Could you describe that process? Because the apps are for individual purchases, restaurants wouldn't order through there because the price doesn't make any sense. Like it will be, there's a lot more expensive to order through due to fees and up charging on the product than it would be for anybody who would be ordering in large quantities to purchase anyway. That's why if somebody was to buy, I'm selling it in four packs or two packs or the smaller quantities, the people who would like, let's say 24 beers, if they're having a party or purchasing for a restaurant or such, they will go to a bigger wholesaler or supermarket because those prices are going to be more cost-effective. So I'm only selling to individuals who are looking for a couple of items instead of any bulk items. So it's always going to be down to, I'm only selling to individuals typically or really. It's a 24 hour service, is that right? It was initially going to be a 24 hour service. I've reduced it in compliance with the police's representations. I reduced it the hours from 24 to, it was... 21. 6pm to 6am on the weekdays and then 24 hours on the weekend. However, when I've spoken with Ian, I have then reduced it again. I'm willing to reduce it again, if need be, to finishing at 1am weekdays, 3am on the weekends. One other question, if I may. What about staffing? Do you... It would just be me. Just yourself. Okay, thanks. Which is exactly what hurts me to ask now. You're staffing, because considering those hours, how will you actually manage it? Well, it's not going to be 24 anymore. When I was 24, that was a concern. I was... I didn't really think. I was just like, I'll serve at 24. I can work from home anyway. Yeah. So I'll just do that. But yeah, the hour reduction will make it a lot easier, especially if I'm only doing the 6... the 5pm to 1am time. That's totally manageable for me. 5pm to 3am time. That's also totally manageable for me. 5pm to 1am. And what about the rest of the day? I just won't operate. Sorry? Business will be closed at that time of the day. You'll be closed during the day? Right. So during the school hours of pickup and so on. So that won't... Yeah. So 5pm to 1am on weekdays? Mm-hmm. Yes. All right. Oh, yes. So you say you've already got a personal license. I have, yeah. So what do... Could you give us a brief idea of what experience you've had so far in the sales of alcohol? Both work-wise or with this business? Well, with this business and then... So I've worked and run pubs for about three years. I've run two pubs and I've worked in pubs since I was 19. Right. And this business... This is going to be a separate part of the business. And the initial business, why it's called Crush Cocktails, is because we service events and slush machines that contain alcohol slushes. So like a pub, let's say, we'll rent the machine and I'll go there, deliver the machine with the slush mix and then they'll mix it on site. But that's a separate part of the business. Yeah. This part is just for the deliveries. Yeah. And so I have a lot of experience in dealing with the license side of having a personal license. Yeah. If care, limiting the sale of alcohol and the storage of alcohol, everything that comes into play with that, I have a lot of experience with myself. Thank you. All right. So going back to your hours, you start delivering at 5pm to 1am. And within that time, you're expecting 14 deliveries within that time? That's just from personal experience working at a company that does a similar service. I worked at a pub in Hackney that did a similar service. They did alcohol on delivery and they had even less than that. They used to do about 10 to 14. So I just said 14 at a high end because I'm not an established business anyway. My plan, if expansion does arise, if I did have more sales than 14, 15, 16, let's say a day, I'll be willing to move off site because the business is self-sustaining and I'll be happy to move off site. Two an hour, is that right? Sorry? That sounds like about two an hour at the moment, 5pm. That sounds about right, yeah. Presumably you're hoping, though, to expand it. Eventually, no. Yeah. But it's an addition onto a business that's already existing. So it won't be the only income that the business receives. Oh, right. I don't think I'd registered that. How is the business otherwise? At the moment, it's quiet. But during the summer months, it's a lot more busy. Like with the rental of the slush machine, for example. Right. During the summer months. Which is operated elsewhere? Yeah, it's obvious. Yeah. Right. It's all rental based. So people would just take the machine to wherever it's relevant. Yes. Okay. And so why have you selected, I mean, 1am, I can see why you've done that. And 5pm, what is that? It was to avoid the school hours, giving up people enough time to commute to and from. Also, that period is when people tend to get home from work, decide that, all right, let me order something. Or, and then on the weekend, it's a little bit extended because it will go later into the night. Yeah. So that's why I chose those. All right. And how would you feel about reducing any further? I could reduce a little bit further, but much further. It's just going to, the nature of the business just can't sustain that. So how far could you reduce without jeopardizing the business totally? Realistically, on the weekdays, maybe 12 o'clock, 12 o'clock. And on the weekend, two o'clock, any less than that. And it renders the business enough, to be honest. Okay. And then what about the parking of these vehicles? And they're going to be across the way, aren't they? Yeah. So just expand a little bit on the vehicle arriving and departing. So when they arrive, they'll just park, they'll pull into the space across the road. There's usually plenty of space there so they can pull across the road. They'll dismount the vehicle, turn the engine off across the road, and then come to the door and fulfill the order. By the time they get there, I'll have the order prepared anyway. You usually have about 15 minutes. I'll have the order prepared. They'll come, pick up the item, just mount the vehicle and leave. They're usually around for literally less than a minute when they arrive. They're usually around for less than a minute. I can see that because they want to get on with their business. Okay. Frequency of delivery, yes, I've looked at. Okay. I may have something else, but Jennifer, anything more? Winston, anything more? Yeah, just one. How do you receive any complaints from residents about noise and disruption? Personally? Hello? Personally, have I received any? Complaints from neighbours? No, no, no, no. Okay. Actually, I'll just bring up one more, as it was mentioned earlier. Does it have to be from this location? At the moment, yeah. Yeah, there's no option to? Not at the moment. No. I mean, I can see that. That doesn't make sense. All right. I think I've asked everything I would like. If I could ask a few questions. Sorry? If I could ask a few questions. Please, yes. Sorry, that was all right. Hi, Tommy. Do you have a daytime? You mentioned the business. Yeah. Do you have a daytime job? At the moment, I'm injured. I have a shoulder injury. I'm usually a scaffolder, but my shoulder is injured. So I've been off since January. Right. Yeah. So is this going to be, this and your other business, is this going to be your main? Hope so. Can you tell us who else is the property? Me and my mum. I'm my nephew. Is there any children there? No. Is there any animals there? Dogs? I have a cat, sorry. Yeah, I have a cat. And yeah, the garage where you're going to store the alcohol, does that shell party war with the neighbour the other side? A lip, like, does it? Maybe a foot. Is there a gap between the buildings? There's not a gap, but it's. What's up against each other? There's not a gap, but most. Oh no, I'm in that. No, there is a part of the wall. Sorry. Yeah, no. I'm thinking of my own problem. On the other side, there is. Yeah, there is a part of the wall. Okay. And how's the alcohol going to be stored in there? The beers are going to be stored in crates until, and in a fridge. So the fridge is going to be restocked with the crates that are stored inside of the, inside of the garage. Okay. When are you going to have your deliveries? Are you going to collect it or? At the beginning, I'll be collecting. There'll be data under the drinks. Yeah. I don't think I've got any further questions. No. No. Do we have anybody else who would like to say anything else? If please do. Okay, if you may ask regarding the, I know you've asked a lot of questions about the timings. Yes. But just clarify what weekdays are and what weekends. Because it can vary sometimes. Is that Monday to Friday that you're talking about? Monday. Okay. Monday to Thursday, 5 p.m. to 1 a.m. Friday, 5 to 3. And then Saturday and Sunday, 5 to 3 as well. Friday session, Sunday. Yeah. Sorry. Thank you very much. Just to clarify. That's been reduced now though, hasn't it? To 2 a.m. If they'd like me to reduce it, I'm happy to reduce it. And 12 a.m. on weekdays. Okay. That's just for clarity. Thank you. Yes. That was, yes. And that was as far as you felt. If you reduced any more, it just wouldn't be. It would impact the nature of it. Yes. All right. I think we have concluded. In which case we shall break and we'll have a break and deliberate. In which case if everybody would like to leave, apart from a legal and... I'm sorry, the applicant is invited to a closing. Yeah. You're quite right. If he wants to. So you can help and give like an overall summary of why you want this for a closing submission now, if you want to explain to the members. You don't have an opportunity to sort of close the hearing where you give your final thoughts and words to the members. You don't have to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's up to you. You would like to. It's your opportunity now. Yeah. Reference. Just in case you missed something. Thank you. That's the last thing I'd like to say is living at the address that the business is going to operate from. I also have a vested interest in making sure that there isn't a noise nuisance. I also don't want cars coming in and out of the road, creating problems. My mum lives at the address. My nephew lives at the address. My neighbours, I have a good relationship with my neighbours on either side. I wouldn't like them to be disturbed throughout the night. I just feel like that is totally irresponsible. Personally, that's never been my intention. My intention was to just operate this small business out of the garage. Just having just pickups here and there. And I never intend for the business to grow up to a scale where it would create a nuisance with the traffic or anything as such. If it did get to a point where it did become successful and a lot of traffic was coming through, I would be totally willing to move the business off site to somewhere where I'll be paying for a location and then selling through there. I'd be happy to do that. But obviously, the business will have to be successful first and creating its own revenue stream and then that will be able to move like that. That's part of the business, I should say. So that's it. Thank you very much. Thank you. In which case, now we shall. Great to deliberate. Thank you very much. Welcome back and thank you. We have made a decision which the clerk will read out. Yeah. Having heard all submissions, written and oral, the licensing subcommittee have decided to grant the license to include all the proposed conditions. The committee have decided to reduce cycling support hours, Monday to Thursday, 5pm to 12am, Friday to Sunday, 5pm to 2am. The full written decision letter with reasons will be sent to the applicant within five loading days. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. And if you wish to appeal the decision, it must go to the Majesty's Court within 21 days. Thank you very much. And all the best with your enterprise. Thank you guys.