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Can everyone hear me? I can hear you. Okay, right. Welcome to the virtual meeting this morning. I'm Councillor Polesha and I will be chairing the hearing this morning. This meeting is being filmed for live broadcast and I as the chair will have the discretion to terminate or suspend. filming if I consider that continuing to do so would prejudice the proceedings. As this meeting is live to the public, all participants are asked to keep this in mind throughout. Joining me for the hearing this morning are Councillor O'Carroll and Councillor Patterson and the following officers. Seema Khan, who is our legal advisor, Sumit Anand, who is our licensing officer and Nick Garland, Democratic Services officer. In attendance with us today, we have, for the applicant, Nicola Mouja, and as far as interested parties are concerned, the interested party responded to say that no one was available to attend the hearing this morning on their behalf, so we will proceed without the interested party. Agenda item 1, Procedure. The outline procedure of how the hearing will be conducted is as follows.

1. The chair will seek to confirm of officers whether all prerequisites have been met in respect of the hearing.
2. Subcommittee members will be asked to declare any interest they have and any other procedural business will be transacted.
3. Parties who have registered to speak will be invited to make their representations. The subcommittee may ask questions for the purpose of clarification but cannot cross-examine the speakers. Each party will be permitted to call witnesses to support their representation.
4. The chair has the right to grant the opportunity to ask questions of each other for the purpose of clarification only. Cross-examination will not be permitted.
5. Each party will have an opportunity to make brief closing submissions.
6. The licensing office and legal officer will be invited to comment.
7. I will then formally close the meeting, hearing, and the subcommittee will retire to
8. Discuss the application and seek advice on legal or procedural matters from relevant officers.
9. Form views on the application and make a decision by majority vote. The decision will be confirmed in writing within five working days.
10. I ask that those speaking restrict their comments to matters that the subcommittee can consider, namely points relating to the four licensing objectives, which are the prevention of crime and disorder, public safety, the prevention of public nuisance, and the protection of children from harm.
11. May I confirm from the licensing officer that all statutory requirements placed on the council in relation to this hearing have been met?
12. I can confirm that, Chair. Thank you.
13. Is that a yes?
14. Yes.
15. Oh, can you hear me?
16. Talking to me? Yes.
17. Okay, I'm just wondering whether council can let you join me.
18. I can hear you very well.
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36. Is that okay?
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42. Yes. repeat that. May I confirm from the Licensing Officer that all statutory requirements placed on the Council in relation to this hearing have been met? I can confirm that, Chair. Thank you. As you will be aware, these hearings take the form of a discussion. However, for the purpose of clarification, I may allow questions if any party requests it. Cross-examination is not allowed. You may only speak when invited to by the Chair. Agenda Item 2, Declaration of Interest. Are there any declarations of interest from subcommittee members? Councillor O'Carroll? No, Chair. Councillor Patterson? No, Chair. Agenda Item 3, Treviso Vinoteca, 92 Kew Road, Richmond. I now invite the Licensing Officer to begin their presentation. Thank you very much. Chair. So, the applicant, Treviso Garden Limited has applied for a new premises licence at the premises at 92 Kew Road, Richmond, to be known as Treviso Vinoteca. The premises is described as an Italian restaurant and bar, and they are seeking late-night refreshment, Monday to Saturday, 11pm to half past midnight, Sunday, 11pm to midnight. The sale of alcohol on and off the premises, Monday to Saturday, 11am to midnight, and Sunday, 12pm till 11.30pm. Sorry. The hour's open. Sorry. Sorry. Can you hear me, Nick? Could you... Do you mind... You're very faint. Could someone else is online just... put the mic on just to see if it's a problem for you or whether it's a general problem? Hello? Yes? No, it's a general problem. It's just... We'll just... We'll just pause for a second, Darth. Yeah, of course. We'll talk to him. the easiest thing might be if you go blogging on the Teams go somewhere else because I think it's just an internal thing here if you go 100% to the Teams right, as in upstairs yeah hello, hello, sorry we're just going to take a five minute break so the chair's just going to move to another room so I think we'll do this 100% so the chair's on virtually as well it's because we're in the castle chamber there'd be an echo let's take a picture yeah, it's fine I accept that it's just a big mistake okay, shall we shall we continue yeah we're live yeah yes chair, we're live thank you right agenda item three I invite the licensing officer to begin their presentation who is on mute thank you very much chair, sorry about that thank you so the applicant Treviso Garden Limited has applied for a new premises license for the premises at 92Q Road which is to be known as Treviso Vinoteca the premises is described as an Italian restaurant and bar and the applicant is seeking the permission for late night refreshment Monday to Saturday 11pm till half past midnight and Sunday 11pm till midnight the sale of alcohol on and off the premises Monday to Saturday 11am till midnight Sunday 12 till half past 11 at night the hours the premises is to be open to the public are Monday to Saturday 11am till half past midnight and Sunday midday to midnight the premises license application and plan of the premises are produced at pages 12 to 35 of the agenda pack the application was advertised as required by the licensing act and the premises are located in the North Richmond Ward and a map of the area can be found at page 43 of the agenda pack there has been one relevant representation from a local resident association opposing the application the society has concerns with the use of the external area into the night and the provision of late night refreshment on New Year's Day until five o'clock a copy of the original representation is produced at page 45 of the agenda an additional email in support of their original representation is produced as supplementary agenda one this has been served on all parties via email yesterday the applicant has agreed to a number of conditions with the Metropolitan Police on top of the ones that were proposed in their operating schedule within the application and a list of these conditions are produced at pages 38 to 41 of the agenda I can confirm that no representations were received from the responsible authorities so today the subcommittee must take such the following steps as they consider appropriate for the promotion of the four licensing objectives you may grant the application modify the conditions proposed in the agenda or reject the whole or part of the application this is the application as I understand it chair and I'm happy to answer any questions you may have of me and if not that's all from me thank you thank you very much are there any questions from members of the subcommittee on the licensing officer's presentation no thank you all right there's none from me thank you very much we now move on to hear the applicant's representation you will have up to 10 minutes please to make your representation to the licensing subcommittee thank you is that Miss Nicola yeah is that me right oh is that you sorry sorry yes yes yes please you've got up to 10 minutes to make your representation to the licensing subcommittee go ahead thank you yes please yeah now first of all we had we already had a license for this premise in the 92Q road the mistaken was it was basically named to the different companies the company of the souls now there is our restaurant has been here for 11 years now it's like 35 seat we use in the next door which we just built recently just basically it serves our restaurant as a bar because on the restaurant we never had the bar it's a very small place in 94Q road so these 12 years we've been in Q road we never had any problems and our restaurant serves a very minimum like alcohol I would say because we are based mainly on the food so basically we serve wine with the dinner and there is no hardly any cocktail there is no and also for these 12 years we've been here our clients are very you know basically mainly family you know special dinner so it's not a bar or a noisy or anything like that in the Q road so for that reason we just applied to have a license for next door just in case you know to make sure you know we can sell alcohol also next door because the restaurant we have is leasehold so we might lose one day the lease or terminate the lease so in that case we can have that we can serve wine and food also in the next door that's the reason we applied for application now when we build the place we had to apply it with a different company and the council did issue up a license for that particular place this is 92 queue road called now the Treviso Binoteca so I don't know any other reason why you know it's being refused so I don't know what else to say you know like I said for 12 years here we never had any problems in our sunsets minimal people bear in mind it's not also busy road because we don't get this kind of custom it's not this kind of crowd of people like drinking people or anything that bar sells basically sells the restaurant with mainly wine with the dinner rather than that we are quiet so and we don't open in lunchtime hardly open do any business in lunchtime mainly dinners which is start from 6 o'clock and we every day the latest half past then we are still disclosed we go home because obviously there is no plans for the curals curals are very quiet roads in whole response so that's that's my you know thank you very much are there any questions from subcommittee members for the gentlemen councillor Patterson do you have a question can I just I know it's sort of tables you know sort of attached to the wall and it's in a sort of separate area and so on but is there any sort of possibility of people sort of flooding over onto the pavement outside and being noisy there never never has been a case never has been a case like I said we run as a family restaurant my wife my daughter I've got two daughters we work it's very family based restaurant we never we don't have this kind of thing we never have this kind of thing I don't allow it because like I said my wife works here my two girls my two daughters help we only like members like we seven people team in restaurants so we don't have this kind of thing I don't allow it on the personal as well also I've been I'm very connected to neighbours I've been here for 12 years so we don't have that kind of problems here I would allow it myself even if I had that we don't allow that on here thank you is that all Councillor Patterson yes thank you thank you Carol have you got any questions no questions chair all right thank you I just have one one tiny question how many tables have you got outside Mr. Mujer on that particular we are there's no tables outside basically I have two wine barrels many for decoration and three stools just if the people go for smoke or want to get fresh that's what it is there's no tables outside right okay and that's outside number 92 yeah we don't use the settings outside they just because we built the French windows they open the French windows and I put the two barrels with two stools the barrels they sealed into the wall just for decoration also people can put the glass there they can have a cigarette if they want it outside that's what it is and you've got no room out the back of the restaurant have you there's no room on the back madame there's still complete that I preserved the old old window you know so I spent lots of money on it I made it a beautiful little little kind of take out there's no backyard there's nothing there's no noise nothing no also kitchen on that area either and we did apply for application we have an internal door I mean unfortunately I don't have video now I can't but I walk you through the bar you could see it for yourself and the representative has already been to our restaurant Mr. Jordan has been to which I explained to him we walked through the restaurant so there's no backyard or anything basically the restaurant is very small it's 20 seat bar that's what it is all right thank you well in the absence of the interest of party being present we actually now move on to the closing remarks yet again from Mr. Mujer do you have you said your piece that's lovely thank you do you have anything to add at all I like I said there's nothing to add I just think it's reasonable and bear in mind I keep repeating we already had been issued a license from Richmond Council from this particular place the people I didn't know how to do the application so I paid this company they put it on a wrong company basically we had already issued a license only I find out when I went to pay the premises license they told me the company has been dissolved does not exist anymore which I didn't right does the licensing officer have any comments for clarification just a point of clarification chair and I think I should have started with this the applicant is correct in saying there was a license present at this premises at number 92 and it did lapse because of the dissolved company but the same people have been running it since the previous license was in existence so just to clarify that thank you thank you does the legal officer have any comments i think the outside area has been dealt with that was in the written representation the only other point that seems to be live in which was cited representation is regarding the hours on new year's e if the applicant had any comments about that Mr. Mujer yes the legal officer is asking if you have any comments about your proposed opening time over new year's eve presumably you've done that before have you i have done to be honest just so you know i'm 53 years old i i've been in the restaurant industry for 38 years okay and then new year's eve we never open just to clarify we always take a Christmas family holiday before we had a small kid so i have not open for new year's eve for all these years 12 years i've been in queue road and again it doesn't affect us that that timing you know even if we had to do an event we could apply for special that that that's not affect us because like i said we never throw a party we close for Christmas family holiday as you know even the customers all aware of we close for summer holiday we close one month in August and we close one like three weeks during the Christmas holiday from 25th our last day and we return back in January and I have feature to provide you know that we close for Christmas holiday so we never open on that period of time our last day on the Christmas period is 24 Christmas Eve then we close we go we take a short holiday we go see family then we return back on 5th January and that's been for it's been going for 12 years okay that's fine thank you it doesn't affect me even if I don't have a license on that day it does not affect me I'm happy like I said I want the license basically to serve my restaurant any hours that any other restaurant have I don't want an extra hour I'm not applying for extra hours to have like wherever all restaurants have in Q Road I'm happy to proceed with the same license that everybody has or same license that have in the next door I'm not asking for extra hours that okay thank you very much indeed you're welcome does that help you yes I mean it was just so that part of the representation could just be addressed okay right are we done thank you well thank you all for your contributions today the subcommittee will now enter closed session in order to consider all of the evidence put before us we will be accompanied by the legal advisor and democratic services officers who will be providing advice during our deliberations I must stress that only subcommittee members will make the decision today and any advice given will be disclosed in the decision notice a summary of our decision will be communicated in full within five working days and will be sent to the applicant and copied to all interested parties this meeting is now closed thank you all for your attendance today please can the webcast now be stopped thank you