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This is Councillor Darn Bagley, Chair of the Baha'an area Committee. Welcome to the Baha'an area Committee meeting of Tuesday 19th March 2020. Please note that today's meeting will be recorded. The recording will be published online after the meeting. If any Council has not been able to access today's agenda, please indicate via the hands that motion. Thank you. Item one, sediment. We have apologies from Council. I will not be. Can I ask the Council to do a roll call? Thank you. Morning. Can I ask the full in case there's an attendance. Councillor Darn Bagley, present. Councillor Matergens. Present. Present. Councillor James. Present. Present. Councillor Matergens. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Theresa. Do members have any declarations or pictures? Please indicate using the hands up function for members joining virtually. Can I remind you, should you intend leaving the meeting with a particular item? You should indicate that you intend doing so. You should not be joined until invited back in at the conclusion of the item. Yeah. I have a transparency statement. I have a connection to item five by virtue of being chair of paternity. They are community trust as this is that reflective report. I'm not interested in making one. I will remain at take part. Thank you very much. I've seen other indications. Item two, public sector. Quality duty guidance. Should any member not agree with the guidance? Please indicate via the hands up function. Thank you very much. Before I see that I have two announcements. Bottom school nationally. The care inspector undertook an unannounced inspection at bottom school nationally. 30th of January and first of February 2021. The key message is taken from the visit where children are supported with kindness care and a nurturing approach. That's where to their overall wellbeing. Children's experience was to meet real times, which were unhurried, relaxed and well supervised. Children's play and learning experiences were excellent. Children excited and engaged learner to have fun. The outdoor learning environments were well considered and fully supported children stages of development. The service was well led and quality assurance, including self evaluation and improvement plans, but in place to support continues to prove it at the surface. And evaluating quality are six point scale issues where one is unsatisfactory and six is excellent. In each of the four categories, the national score fine, very good. Can I ask that a letter of congratulations be sent to the staff and people's appointment school nationally. And the Taste of Bucket. Congratulations to the people's and staff for Patea Academy. The team worked really hard to put on the event, the Taste of Bucket. The Taste of Bucket is an exciting new event that they brought to Patea, that celebrated the wonderful Puyton drink industry that Bahun has to offer. This event is free to attend and it was great to see so many of our community come along and supported. Delighted here, this will now be our year in the event. Check each send a letter of congratulations to the pupils and staff at Patea Academy to congratulate them until this event. Thank you. And I'd just like to welcome Suzanne Ward to our first official meeting of Bahun near the Air Committee as well. We're very welcome. Thank you very much. So we'll move on to item three, draft minutes of the meeting. After the meeting of 2021, February of 2024, should any member not be playing with the content of the draft minute, please indicate the other hands up function. Thank you. We move on to item four, planning application reference number APP two or two, three, one, eight, six, seven, four. We'll plan information for the election of two drive-through restaurants with associated works outside adjacent to Burnside Business Center Burnside Road. And the last Sally would senior planner to present the support. And we also have Ross Bennett from do it in the meeting. Thank you, Sally. Good morning, everyone. Thank you. So for planning to show this sort of direction through restaurants. That's class three and seaweed, generous class three in the restaurant and seaweed, generous, referring to sort of what food. The application is before committee for the reasons that sites in section one point one is report. And that is, it is a departure from the nature local development plan policy. P two, which is protected land and the application is recommended for approval. The two protected land is allocated to been a plan to provide strategic landscape. In the site, open to choose site to and business like three showing on the slide very shortly, and where those areas are. The site itself measures around 5000 square meters and each building has a gross ball area of around 200 square meters. Details of the drive through restaurant and the drive through restaurant slash cafe. I detailed in sections two point three and two point four of the committee report. It's noted that the site has exam planning commission for retail storage and hot food takeaway, the total of 729 square meters of floor space. And this is detailed in the planning history in section two point seven of the committee. This extent planning permission expires on the 23rd of August this year, unless a local team yes, commencement and bulk occurs, which is, is certainly reasonably could be expected should the developer wish to do that. And the site history is detailed in section two point seven report. The application has tapped attracted one valid representation. And that is the comment that no electric vehicle charging spaces are shown. The representation does reverse building standards, which is a separate form of legislation not planning, but indeed we do have a policy within the local developer plan policy ID one that does encourage wherever possible. The provision of electric vehicle charging points, again, to capture it. Section four of the report lists the consultations of notes. I mean, they're all summarized there but environmental health had no objection. The most development team have no objections object conditions. And so I transport Scotland also have no objections to the application. The policies that planning service feel relevant on is the section five of the report. Think I'll share the presentation right now. So the site is to the southern edge of Peterhead settlement. And it is supposed to look so in a way, if you like, where the truck road needs a 982. And that is the proposed site plan. It's just a bear in mind that the considerations are the use itself rather than the occupiers. But as you can see, the buildings are located to the western side of the side along the road with this lack of servicing the car parking and to the east. The floor plans and animations of one of the buildings as proposed. The site is shown on slide six here and shown in the red line and the sighting of the site relative to neighboring uses. So there's an extract from the level. So as you can see, on the slide slide seven within the area labeled five. And there are three parcels of P to land. And the development plan says that it's to provide strategic landscape being for the opportunity site to, which is in the quadrant labeled for. And also for the business land three, which is just immediately to the west and of the application site, which is in the corner here. The planning authority is required to applications against the development plan section 25 of the time which planning actors state that. But it's on less material considerations indicate otherwise it's material considerations that we've also have been wage up in terms of making the recommendation that permission should be granted. There is a plan permission to say it's still live until August this year. And that granted 470 square meters of retail and 263 meters of restaurants and plasteries to be generous use. And this proposed development six around four hundred square meters of class three series generous floor space that is now no longer a retail element included within that. And again, section six point five reverse to, you know, sort of they're not being. And a ban and exclusion of your life comes up dry through developments and it's noted that in this case of our similar such uses in close proximity. That's the view of the site looking not East, take them to the south side that's a slide number eight there. And in terms of location, it's noted that although the land is P to protected strategic land. And that was something that was introduced in the current, I would each a local developer and 23, which wasn't in the previous plan, hence the extended planning permission, but given the sort of nature of the land, and then the adjacent sort of landscaping area. It's felt that same party could be made and in this instance. The Western boundary of the site, as you can say in the site in the foreground there sort of yellow patch if you like beyond which there are trees again show you a shortly again another picture that sort of shows and that element. The size of the site itself, excluding the access road is 4,900 square meters approximately, and the whole sort of key to protected site for this this section. The section here, the southern section is in the region of 51 and a half thousand square meters fabrication site does take less than 10% of that protected land. And this is looking back along the truck road, looking towards the roundabout. And, as you can see as well, there is a unit actually already in that protected land and again that's because the land wasn't previously protected in the earlier development plan and that's the building and sort of with a mono picture of the wedge roof. This is on the eastern boundary of the side of the West. This is the existing access road, which would serve the site that's looking towards the south, southeast. And here's a video, good members to consider. Job, sorry, I was just saying video. And this was from the south of West. The thing about an actual road looking over the site. And that is mentally is an extra slide that slide 15, and that is taken from the gorgeous disorder show the area of land that would. That is subject to the patient side. And there is an additional way there that just shows the extent of the P to land is most southern extract of it as I say there's three parcels that make up the P to land. And the area outlined in orange and is the area of land subject to to this application. You can see the area of land that this takes up in terms of the protected land and then. There's also servicing, and there are no identified issues and roads, transport Scotland and environmental health have no object and raised no objections. The letter of representation of those electrical vehicle charging points. This is a condition secured by condition because it is a requirement in terms of the policy and not standing also building standards would likely be a requirement underneath the regulations as well. So just to summarize the application is recommended that it is granted for planning the mission subject to the conditions that are specified in section 10 of the report. And for the reasons that are cited in section 10 point two. Thank you. Sorry. Can you open up for discussion, please. Thanks. Chair, it was just a question and relation to the cancel 10 cent of policy. So, well, except in the drive through elements that exist already nearby and I do you don't really find not in 10 cent of locations. So there are, you know, we've got a struggle that they often as well. And page 36, it says that the recommendations agreed, there's no risk to answer the first policy. There's one minute for good get a bit more information on, you know, how, how that was arrived at, just in terms of the councils policy that exists in that way. And it's going to be mine for when the site and trying to do locations like this. I'm in the report appendix one is an integrated impact assessment carried out by the case officer. It does assess the impact on the town center first principle. And it's really bearing in mind that there is previous planning permission, which is extent, which included retail and class three uses on, on that side, which will be implemented. And also, you know, the current proposal doesn't include an element of retail so in some respects that actually is an enhancement to the town center, then perhaps what was previously granted. But that boy's been in a sort of a gateway in terms of serving the motorist as well, and in respect of the general site. And also in section trying to find it. In section, yes, 6.5. And there's reference to this sort of element that's raised that both policy 27 of the national planning framework and policy. What would not expect us is frequently visited to be located in within defined centers. A sequential assessment wasn't requested in this instance because of the previous planning permission, which is still still live and for another five months, which is saying reasonably could be expected that they could legally seriously commence development. And that policy 27 does state that in terms of drive-through developments will only be supported whether specifically supporting the local development plan. Obviously, this is P to land and the current local development plan, as it currently stands, but it's what weights that decision maker might apply to that bearing in mind, sort of its location and how much you want to take it, it has. Also, the chief planners letter, which basically said it's not a moratorium on such sort of drive-through developments. And it's generally the view that sort of drive through units are generally not located within town centers. So sort of a more motorist type use. Thank you. Thank you. I think that's a helpful explanation to have out there. I think as well. In view of the fact, you know, there's only been one objection on that was to do with the actual charging points. I think it's generally accepted that, you know, these things and this is a good location for it in proximity to the rules that are there. I think it's helpful to have that. Thank you, Sally. Thank you very much chair, but it's also just that bring also to members attention condition eight as well, which specifically limits the use of the building to this specific purpose so that permitted development rights couldn't be exercised. So that would allow the planning service to consider any potential future uses. Should those uses not be implemented for any reason or also to receive to change. Thank you. Thank you, can I start to say, please. I'm a chair and just looking at lines and and see that there's actually two trying to since it's going to be shared access through it. And we're so concerned about. The traffic from there, the car starts to come up for the drive through all those seeing sort of what happens at the. But I've got to be the best friend, which within the area, the traffic sort of box up beyond to works there. It's just wondering if you want to actually. Don't any work in consideration to that. And there's the topic was the start parking, although we'd affect the entrances to the business, the other business. So. So just to advise and bring you attention. So roads are on stand by presence. So perhaps get a comment from Rose, but it's just to remind members that. Transport Scotland have not objected to the proposal. They've been consorted because of the proximity to the truck road. And indeed roads have been consorted as well, but this is perhaps where we could bring. Rose to provide more detailed comment to answer. Thank you. Thank you very much Ross. Can we bring you in, please. Yeah, thank you chair and thanks, Councillor for your question. As Sally's advised, obviously, we have the 890 trunk road network here just in the close proximity with the invernetti roundabout. Transport Scotland have obviously been consulted on the proposals, which kind of take back to earlier permissions in 2017. And they haven't cited kind of concerns with potential for that to back up on to the roundabout. And I know the concerns with some of the other businesses in the close proximity. And just to provide you with some kind of figures on this section here, obviously. We have a private access from south road towards the development, which is kind of roughly 80 meters. And then from the development to the actual invernetti roundabout, we're in the kind of territory of about 230 meters. So I think the expectation there is that the nature of drive-throughs are that there are kind of queuing and it does tend to kind of dissipate quite quickly at the peak times and it's quite a transient kind of nature of travel. We wouldn't have any kind of concerns that that will back right up on to the invernetti roundabout. And looking at the development proposals here, it's one for a kind of takeaway and kind of cafe. I think it's a cost of perhaps. And then obviously I kind of take away food and drive through. And that may not look at a kind of a full new trip generation for this development. It could well be a distribution of people who would already be coming to one of the neighbouring sites and just provides a slightly different choice for them in terms of where they would. Attend for their for their services. So, and obviously, the main one that we would refer to is transport sculpted in terms of their concerns with the invernetti roundabout. And where they're satisfied as the as the roads authority there, and we would refer back to them. If there was any problems with you in front of the two of our businesses and who's responsible. Yeah, thank you, Councillor. Yeah, Burnside Road. So this would be the two businesses that exist on that, that that private access road there. So, as it would fall out with the extent of the public road, it wouldn't be the responsibility of the roads authority. Obviously, if there were issues with them kind of parking and things like that, they could look at measures which kind of discourage that. But obviously that would be determined by the ownership of that access road and the parties that are responsible for that. So, again, I think that that figure is about 80 metres from the new proposed site and past the existing two businesses towards south road. So, as I close then, I'm trying to answer first look, and just one more thing. So, we can look at plans as you drive into the very first unit. If you were struggling to drive through, and there was a few traffic at the peak pain. What's the chances of the car parking spaces and all that time, so you actually can't use. Yeah, thank you Councillor. Sorry, I was just refer, I've got some of the plans open. I was just referring back to them here. So, so this would be the southern unit. Yeah, thanks Sally. I think you just brought that up there. So, again, I think if you can maybe zoom in on that dimension between the two of them there. That's going to show us maybe not quite. I might have it here. I don't think that's going to show us. Six. Yes, six metres. So, again, we've got, you know, sufficient width there in other contexts. Obviously, the internal car park here will be private. So, it's in the best interest of the applicant to ensure that the kind of flow of traffic in that car park is running kind of optimally. In other circumstances, we've seen a kind of segregation of that where there's a potential circulatory carriage way. And obviously, the queue for the kind of drive through is kind of section to the left or the southern side of that, perhaps similar to one that's local to me as well. And, again, given the nature of that kind of drive through the traffic is, while it's queuing is moving in a fairly kind of fluid manner. Okay. No problem. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Should any member consider that they have not received sufficient information. I feel able to participate in the determination of this application. Open your microphone and advise us now, please. Thank you. I've seen no indication on this item. So the recommendation 10 point one grant for planning permission subject to the condition in this report. Thank you very much solid. Thank you very much Ross. Thank you. Good morning chair. Good morning members. I'm really pleased to present a report celebrating Peterhead vision and action plan. In many regards, this is the first chapter of positive change in Peterhead as we look ahead to the development of the cultural quarter. To being the confluence of multiple national energy projects and a and to the most recent award from the UK government long term plan for times. The report celebrates the work of everyone and from community members through to some of our large private companies are smaller companies and of course elected members who have led the vision and action plan throughout this time. The publication of the report does not mean that work stops of course and freshly the foundations developed have will continue to drive benefit. They improve time center facilities, the green space at Victoria Park, the marketing collateral and of course the cultural quarter projects will continue to evolve. Secondly, and ongoing priorities and proactive procurement is generating a lot of interest and a lot of traction, particularly in Peterhead and developing that community wealth building approach. We have significant build work from Peterhead Academy in terms of our furniture council, but also substantial construction and engineering projects that will offer opportunities for local jobs and business. Thirdly and more widely as we move forward to a new place based approach which will bring a cohesive strength to our plans as we attempt to simplify the relationship with community planning partners and empower our communities further. As we move forward, there will definitely be more partners involved and enablers with them, a partner such as a corn offshore wind, SSEN transmission. Each development of course will have its challenges but offers unique opportunities we've seen just this week, a community fund launched by SSE thermal offering up to 25,000 per project to community groups. So we really expect to see a time center offers suites well being facilities and many more subcontract opportunities for our local businesses, enabling all are able to benefit and for these opportunities will be a continued focus. The external funding environment continues to be quite dynamic with some of the established funds stopping or changing during the program and currently a new one's opening up. There has been a deliberate effort to maximize external funding and save local authority budgets. So projects like for active procurement supporting the local gift card have been supported via some of those external funds. Whilst the appendix reports are committed figure, there is a mission in the front cover of the report on an overall committed figure, which is currently around 1.184 million with a balance of 394,000. There are likely to be changes in this figure to this figure as the contract for Clark Hill is secured, which is just progressing as we speak. The figure is likely to come down, rather than go up. Outcomes as reported in the plan that have been achieved are very wide and, as I said earlier, it is expected that they will continue to develop as well. We really look forward to continuing to work with our partners from the public and private sectors, and I hope you're able to consider and comment on the report. Once the draft reports are finalized, they will be submitted to ISC and published on our web pages. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you for presenting the report. I will open up to members. Councillor James, please. A yes to a chair. Thank you for that. And thank you for sending the report and certainly welcome the report. No good work undertaken throughout the duration of the vision action plan. Whilst the work is continued, I just found over the pandemic, it was encouraging to see that the average of the team with resulted in a variety of successes across many projects. We look forward to accumulation of the plan's work continuing the following successful bit over to the left wing on funding the delivery of the pet head cultural quarter. And I like other members of the committee set on the peerhead development plan partnership, where it's often been encouraging to hear from a variety of community partners in businesses who are infused by the potential that zombie heads and horizon, some of which could produce things already referenced in terms of the entry sector. And this has been manifested through the work towards the preher 2040 plan, which sets out the aspiration of the town going forward. And the recent announcement by UK government of 20 million pound of funding for the long term plan for towns gives me a fair opportunities to build up for the good work to date. I certainly look forward to continuing work over the coming years. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to pass that back up, please. Thanks for sitting. Yeah, now I can cancel and I just wondered who the information really delays the funding on page 35. Is this retrospective or are we still expecting to fund some of that funding finished. Yeah, just disagree about that really. We have had laser funding for the gift card and other projects that is still a balance of laser funding left and we are bidding at the moment for further laser funds to continue to develop the gift card to continue to develop that. A proactive procurement project as well and deepen the benefits from that we see real potential with that so we're hoping to extend that and develop it further. So a bit of both Councillor pile we have had laser funds and we are bidding for more at the moment, but we're waiting. We're waiting the result of that. Thank you. Thanks to you. Thanks, Christine for your report. Um, yeah, I think I'd very much like to cancel James and comments in thanking officers for the hard work over the piece and achieving what what has been delivered. So challenging circumstances in terms of, you know, background, but also covered which had an impact on certain projects. And, you know, it does feel like we are entering a new phase for the time. There's a lot to go on energy wise development wise. And we're going to look forward to see a lot of things from the fruition. Just one question, page 42 financial summary dashboard. Page under team one economy. There's some just over 400,000 times. Is that still available going forward or does that get reallocated elsewhere. Getting a lot to the end of a particular project question. Thanks, kind of Smith. So, yes, the theme theme one, there has been less committed as it has. Hasn't required so much commitment of the budget for that particular theme. And full council agreed that the regeneration reserve would be transferred into place reserve. And in so kind of that in March, so that on allocated funds, which the current proposal as members have agreed would transfer into a place reserve. And how that place reserve will be used the process, which that will happen has not been agreed yet. So that's what will be happening over the next couple of months as we move forward with our place policy and strategy agreement on how those, those budgets will can be accessed and used. Thank you. Thank you very much. Sorry, cheers. Thanks for bringing me in. I was a bit late to getting the hand up there. And thanks very much for the report, Christine. It's great to see so much positivity in it. However, I see we've got Ken Duncan on online and thinking of comments from this. There's still a very sad perception in Peterhead that somewhere the piece is still a dump. And, you know, we get so much negativity and social media about it. And I just wonder how we go about counteracting that or maybe we just don't bother, but it would be good. I think at one time we were talking about town champions, people who actually would tell the story about the positives. And I just wondered if we could maybe find some community voices that would actually back up what is on the whole. A very good positive story about the regeneration of Peterhead over the last few years. And as you see, still loads to come with the new campus with the investment in terms of energy, although it has its downside as well. But anyway, thank you. I just wondered about making that point. Thanks. Thank you. Did you want me to respond to you a little bit? So I think that's a really good suggestion in terms of community champions, and we'll certainly take that away and see Ken has planned. A variety of comms celebrating the successes. So absolutely, we'll take that away and see if we can get some community champions and keep, you know, keep talking up the time. Yes, there are a lot of opportunities and yes, there are things that could be improved in the town, but it's absolutely ripe for further development and further progress and really positive stuff to come. And so we'll keep working on that kind. So thank you. Thank you, Christine. Thank you very much, Christine. And I thank the council and thank you. And we're invited Ken along to meet in with their clients about some calls. After this was, thank you for highlighting that. And thank you all for your comments. It's good to see things are progressing and it's good to hear what's common for us in the future and we will get some positive stories out. There after this meeting. So I see no further indications. So 1.2, the committee recommended to 1.2, 1.2, 1, consider the report and provide comments for the infrastructure services committee on the contents of the report for pictures and appendix 1. 1.2 by 2.2 note that comments will be created for any consultation with other affected area committees before the final report is presented to infrastructure services committee on the 16th, 24. So thank you very much, Christine for joining us and please pass on our thanks to yourself and the team. Thank you. So move on to items 6 statements about starting business. Can I ask the manager to take us to the statement about starting business, please. I'm sure as ever, this statement about standing business is tracking actions that have been picked up from reports previously considered. There are a number of updates, the statement about standing business and, you know, there are updates that were created at our last meeting. And as ever, I have got it to add to what is there in relation to item 1, there has now been an email. And forward to members, which updates on, I think both the bomber test and crossing, and also further down in the report in relation to item 11, sorry, I seem to have stopped to item 10. So we have tied to my love of my apologies. Yes, in relation to item 11. So we have forwarded on, and, you know, the update so alongside new bit cycle. And, and then we're terrorists, and there has also been previously information circulated about the locations of bridges and timelines. I would suggest that if we recommend approval for, for this one as, as updates have all been provided, the word for me wish to take the discussion will cross into their next meeting. But rather than leave it here, I'm more than happy with members that we all take that into the world for meeting for alongside and new bit cycle. In relation to item six, which is the bucket area plan. There's obviously being an update from Christine in relation to the vision and action plan and she she referenced that we were looking forward and I'm looking at that place arrangement. So we do have a place policy and strategy being developed for our relationship council that should be considered by members at full council and leaving June, and will come to a committee's in advance. That will include engagement consultation timeline for the factory to develop place plans, and the proposed performance and monitor arrangements, and members will be aware because we have also discussed it here. We do have a place framework being developed for Peterhead, which I had 2040. We've recently had business and community stakeholder engagement and looking at that piece of work that has resulted in some amendments to it. And we are looking at engagement options for the wider community. However, we have a very short pause on what we understand the application of the recently announced inclusion of Peterhead in the UK government's long term plan for times funding as there is planning elements to that over the 10 years. So we want to be sure that we are in line with what's expected, and everything is going to be brought to members at the earliest opportunity on how these will be done together. So it suggests that we need us to leave this one on, until I was to keep track of that. And then in relation to item 12, there has been an email provided by Jen Askleton, in relation to the projects and capital to the TEDx, landscaping that's been circulating, and would indicate that we are also working with our green space officer to look at doing more than just simply maintaining the grasp. At the site, we are keen to do some planning to screen the site. Our challenge is looking to maintain that planning. However, we are working with the local community to look at whether there will be any interest in some community support for the landscape and arrangements. So again, I will continue to update on that action. Thank you, Chair. Thank you very much, Councillor Powell. Sorry, it's interesting. I'm going to keep on item 11, part three, because, on the subject of the next meeting, just to talk about possibly another crossing of some sort, because I was very close to the mark. And also, we still got on there, clarification to timeline. So maybe keep five as well, because you've got more cherries. We don't know about yet. At the first point, I don't know if I could add, though, to the business, the issue about the parks that was raised last week. So it was on the first plan, but plan last year, and it doesn't seem to be on this year, two parks, one's been done really. I think it's not just a waterfall issue. And there's two parks. No. But we can look back at the work plan and see how we can get that pushed. Thank you. If you're happy to accept that, Chair, yes, I would be happy to have started looking back at proposed, I'd come forward with the commitments in relation to those parts. And so it seems reasonable that we go back into state lift. I can't hear that in our business. Thank you, Chair. It's about the Clark Hill primary school road safety initiative. It seems to have dropped off our list. I would assume that it dropped off because it had been done. But it hasn't been. Perhaps you could have an update on where that is, please. Thank you, Chair. Yes, that's my apologies. I did drop it off because I think I came to this committee at some point and said it was about to go to tender. So it was, it was going to be done as members will have noted if they have driven up there. It hasn't actually happened. There is a design. It was ready to be tender. However, it wasn't put on the procurement plan, which means we are able to tender. So I will catch up with Phillip Leeper after this meeting to look at how we proceed with that and it will go back onto the state without starting business to ensure we can track it. Thank you. Thank you. So we can note that that was back when stated outstanding business, Amanda, if an update can be given to a board members, that would be most helpful. Oh, and the progress, sorry, if I twin that would happen and thank you very much. How's our answer? Thank you, Chair. I just wondered if Teresa had any idea of the time skill for for the informal session with the two head teachers of our academies. So it's like a long time, a long time since we've met with them. Yeah, so the education and director session, the director certainly advised that that would be acceptable. But yes, so I will get that arranged. And certainly they will be after these two holidays. Right. Okay. Just say June 24, but I just wondered. Thank you. Thank you very much. I have to see no further indications. So I can confirm that this meeting has now concluded. Thank you for your interest, and can you stop the recording, please. Thank you. [BLANK_AUDIO]