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Good evening, committee. This meeting is now open and being streamed live on YouTube. Your first item of business this evening is the election of your chairman for the next municipal year. May I take nominations, please, including a proposer and seconder? Councillor Dorian proposing. Thank you, Paul, I would like to propose Councillor Patsy Marzen as chair of this committee, please. Thank you. And a seconder? Councillor Gleeson, thank you. Are there any other nominations? No? You can, if you have a seconder. Okay, then, in which case, could all those, we'll move to the vote, could all those who are in favour of Councillor Marzen becoming chair of the committee, please raise their hands? Thank you. And all those in favour of Councillor Danny, please raise their hands. Councillor Marzen has been elected to be chair of the committee. Councillor Marzen, if you'd like to come to the top table. Good evening, councillors, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for voting for me as your chairman for this next year. I would like to start by thanking Councillor Pierpoint for his support to the committee whilst he was chairman. I'm sure you will agree that Councillor Pierpoint did an amazing job and it will be a very hard act to follow. I would now ask for your nominations, proposers and seconders for your vice-chairman, please. Thank you. So, proposed by Councillor Gilbert, seconded by Councillor Gauche. Yeah, I'll second it. All those in favour? Can I... Sorry, are there any other nominations? I would like to nominate myself again. Okay, and is there a seconder? Thank you. All those in favour of Councillor Gleeson? And all those in favour of Councillor Danny? Thank you, Councillor Gleeson, you are elected vice-chair of the committee. Would you like to join us? Before we continue with this evening's agenda, I need to run through a few housekeeping details. Would all persons addressing this meeting, please do so through the microphone system at all times. This meeting is being recorded. Please ensure that microphones are turned off after speaking. Thank you. Thank you. Now we'll continue with part one of the agenda and the preliminaries. Apologies for absence. Are there any apologies for absence? And apologies have been received from Councillor Barry Pierpoint. Thank you. Decorations of interest. Are there any declarations of interest? No declarations of interest. Thank you. Do I have the committee's permission to sign the minutes from the last meeting on 27th of March 25? Chairman, I have an objection, actually. And when we discussed the Pride event, I voted against that. And I remember the chairman, Barry Pierpoint, saying that that would be noted. My objection would be noted, but I can't see it in here. So I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm objecting to that. The committee was proposed by Paul Gleeson, Councillor Paul Gleeson, and seconded by Councillor Allen Denny. And the result, but I remember in the meeting that when, when the vote was taken, that Councillor Pierpoint said, make a note of Councillor Woodliffe's objection. I'd like, I like that objection to be in there. That's part of the, that's part of the minutes effect of the meeting, or should be. And Councillor Woodliffe, in which case we can note that this evening and deal with it by way of your clarification this evening, or the minutes can come back to the next committee meeting with the amendment recorded, whichever you prefer. I don't mind. It's on the record, Councillor Woodliffe. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Yes, just a question, because this is round to the Pride event, and it says the total projected cost of the event was 36,000, but surely it hasn't taken place yet. It's on Saturday the 26th of July, isn't it? So shouldn't that be the total projected cost is going to be 36,000, am I on? The total projected cost was 36,000, it is 36,000 years still, it hasn't changed, does it? No. Yes. Thank, yeah. No, it's 36,000. The event should take place, yeah. Yeah. Okay, thank you. Thank you, good. Please. Update of actions for the minutes from the last meeting. To report progress on outstanding actions from the minutes of the last meeting for information only. Could I please ask Phil Perry to provide the updates? Thank you Madam Chair. This update is for items that are not already covered within this evening's agenda. The first item is Central Park. At the last meeting it was agreed that the contract for security at Central Park from September would not be renewed and that a working group would be established to consider the future position. We return to this item under the work programme. The next item is buses. At the last meeting, Marianne Gubbert from Brightline Travel addressed the committee and following that she met with councillors Doran and Pierpoint as well as officers. And I have an update for this committee which reads as follows. Whereas Boston Borough Council is not a transport authority, with this response to sitting with the Linkshire County Council, Boston Borough has positioned itself as a proactive partner when it comes to public transport, working closely with providers and the county to look at how the case for investment in public transport can be made more strongly. Boston Borough is actively represented at the county's public transport partnership board and is the only district and borough level authority actively involved in these meetings. Recent meetings between Council Doran, Briar Lane and officers are a clear example of how the council is staying close to this agenda and we will continue work closely with Briar Lane and others in pursuit of further investment into connectivity into our area. The next item is green flag. The working group meetings are ongoing with the third such meeting taking place on the 11th of June and the working group members have been tasked with helping to shape elements of the plan. Currently several sections of the green flag management plan have been completed and we are awaiting checking and approval from relevant service areas. Over the past month we have engaged with local community groups to understand the activities they undertake in the park and activities they would like to support in the future and following discussions with some of these groups it appears they are supportive of our aspirations to achieving the green flag award. We have also been conducting a small questionnaire exercise amongst park users which is ongoing to collect feedback to further inform and evidence the plan. The project does have some challenges as it involves engagement from several services all of which are currently working at capacity. Their involvement is crucial for validating and owning the processes and policies outlined in the plan and without their support it will be difficult to move forward with the formal application. To address these challenges we will continue to engage in regular communication with officers officer colleagues seeking their advice and expertise to help align current policies and practices with within the plan. These challenges will be discussed further at the next working group meeting agenda on 11 June and the working group will be bringing a report back to committee later in the year. The next item is highways. Committee has previously confirmed its wish to hear from Lincolnshire County Council and this was paused during the recent election. The overview and scrutiny committee will be hearing from highways either this month or in July and all councillors will be invited to this meeting. Next item is community governance review working group. The first meeting of councillors appointed to the group and officers will take place on the 19th of June. Meetings will then be taking place monthly. Committee membership is councillors Pierpoint, Dorian, Creswell, Gilbert and Gleeson. This working group is being supported by our colleagues in the democratic services. In the lead up to the meeting on the 19th of June, democratic services are liaising with officers as part of an information gathering exercise. Regular updates on the community governance review will be added to the work programme during the year. And that concludes the actions and yeah. Thank you Phil. Public questions to answer written questions received by the members of the public before 5pm on the 2nd of June. Are there any questions? There are none. Public speaking time, but I can see there's no public here so. Does any person attend at the public gallery? But there isn't. So unfortunately. Yeah. BTAC quarterly, quarter 4, 24, 25 financial outterm report. The next item is the BTAC quarter 4, 24, 25 financial outterm report, which starts on page 11 of the agenda pack. And this will be presented by Lazarus Mafuco, interim finance manager who is joining us online. And Nicole Hayes, finance manager corporate is with us this evening. Thank you. Thank you Madam Chair. I would like to provide an update on the overall financial position of the BTAC. For the year ended 31st March 2025. And share how each service area has contributed to this financial position. Overall in quarter 4, 2024, 25 BTAC ended with a net surplus of 86,213 pounds. This surplus is a strong turnaround, especially when you consider that earlier in the year in Q2, we were facing a shortfall of about 18,000 pounds. We had set a saving target of 36,000 pounds, 455. And through focused efforts, particularly reducing certain recharges from Boston Council related to ground maintenance, assistant director work, accountancy and street cleaning, we managed to not only meet the target, but to vastly exceed our target. Please note that this Outend figure is preliminary and will undergo further review by cabinet and audit. Especially regarding the Boston Council figures. Although we do not anticipate any changes, any changes will be communicated to the committee at the next meeting. The surplus will be transferred to our reserves. A quick note. At the beginning of the year, 1st of April 2024, our reserves stood at 207,611 pounds. By the end of quarter 4, we had increased this to 293,825,000 pounds. With 14,801 pounds year marked for future expenses. This means we are well above our recommended minimum reserve of 70,000 pounds. Now I will briefly cover the performance in each of our service areas. Open spaces. Our responsibility here is to keep our parks and green areas in excellent condition. This means regular landscaping, safe and well-lead parks and occasional upgrades of two playgrounds and other features. In this area, we did very well. We spent about 20,000 pounds less than planned budget. This came mainly from savings in our ground maintenance costs and fewer repairs that we had anticipated. Allotments. For allotments, we manage plot allocation, maintain fences, water supplies and communal areas and support good gardening practices. The allotment section has shown strong fiscal discipline. Our costs stayed broadly in line with the budget. This supports the community spirit of allotment gardening. Central parks. Central park is a key community asset. Our job here is to maintain the landscaping, batches, pathways while ensuring safety and regular upkeep. In this area, we achieved nearly 38,000 pounds in savings. The savings came mostly from lower than expected ground maintenance and accountancy recharges with only a small overrun in premises costs due to specific repair work. Overall, this park remains by being the well-kept centerpiece for the town. Public conveniences. These cover public toilets and washrooms. The work here included regular cleaning, prompt repairs and supply management. We ended up spending 10,000 pounds below budget overall. While our employee costs were a bit higher due to use of agency staff, we saved on premises and transport costs, which together delivered a net benefit of 14,000 pounds in reduced charges. Events. Events involve organizing local festivals, fairs and markets as well as providing the necessary logistics support. The events team ended the year with a surplus of nearly 19,000 pounds due to significant savings on planned costs and extra income from space hire and additional event revenues. This department is responsible for keeping the town center attractive and functional, including maintaining streets, paving, lighting and cleanliness. An overall saving of approximately 4,000 pounds was recorded in this area. Savings were achieved in supplies and services and transport, despite some increases in costs related to support services and wages. Administration. Our administrative functions cover budgeting, contract management, overall financial oversight and reporting. Here we achieved efficiency gains that resulted in a favorable variance of about 33,000 pounds. Largely because of savings in street cleaning and support services, which more than offset a small overspent in supplies and services. In summary, thanks to the collective efforts across all these areas, particularly in ground maintenance, staff management and our cost saving measures, BTAC ended with a surplus of 86,413 pounds. This strong performance has boosted our overall reserve significantly. Madam Chair, I recommend that the committee note the surplus and approve its transfer to the BTAC reserve. I'm happy to answer any questions to provide any further detail on any of the points I've raised above. Thank you, Lazarus. Councillor Arzad. Good evening. Very impressive financial report and really welcome good news as well. So really it's a bit of nitpicking. Kind of on page 17. We've got business rights and then refund related too, but that's as far as the comment kind of goes. Is there any more details behind that please? I think I can answer this. It's related to the 2022-23 financial year. So for some years back. Yeah, it's a refund that's come back through from our business rights team. Okay, so that's the comments from previous years. Okay. And the last one is just on the same page. Cash collection services. That seemed to almost double. Any reason why? I thought we weren't collecting cash so much now. I think we'll have to take that away and ask the question. Yes, I think we'll get back to you on that one. Okay, that's lovely. That's that's all I could find from reading this report and congratulations and well done. Councillor Woodliffe. Thank you Madam Chairman. I'm really actually going to go back to the minutes actually because on page six. We noted that the position regarding a potential refund from angler water in relation to sewage charge at Central Park was considered and was agreed that more information will obtained regarding this. Is there any way in these accounts where angler water has shelled out and gives a bit of cash back or are we? As that has that been lost forever? Angler water's profits. Can you answer that please? Um, no, we can't confirm at this moment, but we can double check for you to give you what what has been included in the final figures of the position. Thank you. Councillor Gosch. It's really a commentary. I'm very happy with the report and the hard work is clearly visible here compared to the last time. A couple of points. I've already mentioned it to Brendan and apart from that, yeah, I'm very happy with the report. Councillor Nob. Thank you, Chair. Yeah, I think first of all, it's a well set out report and it was very easy to read. I noticed that the reserve is now 279,000. The net surplus is a 6,000 and that's projected to go to the reserves and say there was a saving charge of 36. That was all good. I do have one or two questions. Well, probably more than one or two actually, but I'll try to be brief. I'm going to page 16. There's a development budget of 255,000. Why was that not spent? Lazarus, can you answer that question, please? I understand this budget is actually a historical budget and we can only spend on if we have any development projects that we have at the moment. But during the year we didn't have any, so it could be something that we could look at reallocating that budget to something else if we don't really need it. Okay. Thank you. Going on to Central Park and obviously there was savings on ground maintenance. Very substantial. How particularly were those savings on ground maintenance achieved? Do you know? Yes. The ground maintenance, there was an exercise that was done to look at how recharges were allocated to BTAC. On analysis, it was found that we could actually, we were not getting, well, we are not charging the correct amounts to BTAC. So that was adjusted. That's where most of the savings come from. Okay. Thank you. Going on to page 17. This is employee costs. We've got agency cover for staff absence. Can you tell me or the committee what's the extra cost per day for having to use agency cover staff or the cost per week for using one agency worker? Do you have those figures? We wouldn't have those figures at hand, Councillor, but we can come back to you on that. The cost of the agencies will be considerably higher than your normal staff, permanent staff, but we can get the actual full figures for you later. Thank you. Okay. Moving on to transport vehicles, we've got a saving there of Well, considerable saving. Can I explain how that was achieved? Well, the transport is mainly... Yeah, to vehicles because it's substantially less than what was in the approved budget. Why was that? Yeah, so mostly when the transfers cost is basically used on vehicles to ferry supplies, cleaning material, toiletry... Sorry, did you say deferred supply of vehicles? I didn't hear that. Sorry, could you repeat? No, it's related to vehicle use, to ferry materials that are used around, at the toilets, at the park, anything that needs, that require being carried by a vehicle. So during the year, we did not use as much as we had thought we would as budgeted. That's where the savings come from. So it's lower usage than expected. Thank you. Okay. Moving on to page 18. We've got events cost. Again, substantially less than was originally posited. So the out term was 19k. It was good. The approved budget was 55. There was a cancelled event. Was that the music festival for which I think £17,000 had been allocated? Is that why we've got the discrepancy there? The less than expected events cost? I believe so, Councillor. Sorry, do you want me to repeat the question? I agreed with the statement you made that was it because... He said that he believes so. Oh, I see. It was that. Yes, sir. And can you also confirm that the £17,000 that's been reallocated to the Pride festival? Is that correct? I would have to check if that's actually been reallocated to Pride. Yes, thank you. Okay. And then lastly, we're on page 19. We've got employee costs. How many employees does BTAC have? Is it two or three? BTAC employees? As in operatives? Do you know how many? No, I don't know how many they are. Again, we can give you the actual numbers. Okay. Maybe Phil could answer that question. We have one events assistant. We have two BTAC operatives. Sorry, Phil. So you can say it again, didn't hear? Sorry, we have one event assistant, two BTAC operatives. I think it's two and a half toilet cleaners. But there will be recharges within elements as well. Yeah, so I still didn't hear the first thing. You said two BTAC, two and a half toilet cleaners and something else at the beginning. Yeah, an event assistant. Oh, event assistant. Thank you, one. Thank you. Yeah, and just kind of on that point of events. The Pride Festival, was that something that was put forward by the BIG Reeling Group or did it come from the officers? How did that originate, please? That proposal? It originated proposal through the committee. Through the committee. Okay, thank you. Just very quickly. I think I had the pleasure of proposing that, actually. Thank you, Councillor Kishin, for clarifying that. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. That's all. Anybody else? Any questions? Councillor Kosh? Just to mention here, like if you see there are multiple items here, no, in general. So it's difficult to write comments on every part of it. So I asked the team to at least write the total and write some comments, why it's negative or positive and all those things. But it's difficult to write in comments on every section to make it clear. Okay. Thank you, Councillor Gosch. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Gleeson. Thank you, Chair. Yeah, just obviously, Councillor Noble's been raising the issue of the savings. And I think, again, although I think we have recorded this, I do think we need to do it again. I mean, last year, Chairman Councillor Peerpoint, with the help of officers, put an awful lot of hours and effort in to make sure what we were being charged is being correct. And I do think we do need, just to formally note that, the work that was put in. And one just wonders how it slipped in previous administrations. Thank you, Councillor Dorian. Thank you, Madam Chair. It's lovely calling you that. I may have misheard Councillor Noble earlier, but I think when you referred to the development budget, you referenced 255,000 on page 16, you asked why the development budget hadn't been spent. Yes. I thought you said 255,000. That was just a correction for you. Oh, it's... We can replay the tape. Oh, no, no. Are you suggesting that's just pounds, not thousands? I'm suggesting that's just pounds. Thank you for that clarification, Councillor Dorian. Thank you. I think you can calm down, sir. Lazarus, what I'd like to ask you... Oh, sorry, I did have another correction for Councillor Noble, which is to say that the Pride event is mostly funded through UK SPF funding. There is a small, I think, £10,000 budget from BTAC, but I don't think that the portfolio holder, Councillor Broughton, expects to spend all of that £10,000. Yeah, sorry. Thank you for reading the document. I thought that the money, the 17,000 for the Council Music Festival was going to be... I mean, that's what the document says, I think, to the Pride event. And would it be interesting to know why the music festival didn't take place? I don't know what event was cancelled. I'm speculating, am I? You'll have to remind me, I don't remember, Madam Chair. Through you, of course. How rude. Through you, Madam Chair. I don't remember a music festival being cancelled. No, in the report that came to committee, there was provision to allow a music festival. Boston College, I believe, put an event on, which meant that it wasn't needed to provide the Council itself. The reports that come to committee have a raft of potential opportunities. The committee decided they wanted a Pride event as well, so that comes forward. A proportion was reallocated for that. Whether it's spent or not, we'll find out later in the year when the report comes back from the events team. But anything that is underspent goes back into the reserve. I continue, Madam Chair. It's a question for Lazarus. Thank you for your report and your work tonight, Lazarus. I'm just curious to understand around the reserves in the recommended £70,000 figure, because I think for the last, I think since I've been on Council since 2019 this time, that £70,000 figure has been the same. I could be wrong on that as well. Of course, my memory is not brilliant. So I'm just wondering if it has been the same for a number of years now. Do you think the recommendation would come from the £151 at some point that we look at that figure with a view to perhaps raising it slightly? Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, Councillor, that figure there, I would say, well, I've been around for probably three years now and it's been the same. Yes, it would be, it's a recommendation that would come from the Section 151 to either apply it or lower it depending on the perceived risks. I believe it's something that we can take forward to the Section 151 to see if there's any further recommendation to change that number. Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, Lazarus, I think if we could just touch base with the 151 and just double check that he's comfortable with that figure going forward. Thank you. That's all, Madam Chair. Thank you. Any more questions? Councillor? Yes, just for clarification, going back to this music event, I'm just reading from page seven. It does say an existing allocation of £17,000 for a music event in the 2025 to 26 events programme was proposed to be reallocated to the Pride event. Can I just say, it's a shame that a music event didn't go ahead. I mean, because there used to be lots of venues in this town where you had live music, and that's not so much the case now. And I think if there were to be a music festival, it's an excellent opportunity for for young bands to show what they can do. And I think it would just generate a lot of public interest and support. That's all. Just a comment. Thank you, Chair. Thank you very much. Councillor Dorian. Yeah, thank you. I'd like to agree with Councillor Noble that, yeah, a music festival is a really good idea, and I concur with your view that it offers young bands, especially the opportunity to showcase the talent. Perhaps if Councillor Noble hadn't lost his seat, Madam Chair, he would have still had a place on the BTAC committee and would have been able to make that proposal. However, given that he wasn't present during that time, no one else made it. So you can make it next year, Councillor Noble. Thank you, Councillor. May I just say, Chair, that I couldn't be on BTAC because I represented Fishtoff. Thank you. Can we just talk at once? The etiquette in this committee, and we do have a new Madam Chairwoman tonight, is to go through the chair. I would remind you of the courtesy of that, please. Thank you. But I can also remind you, when you told me to turn my mic off, you didn't say please, did you? I haven't finished. I know. I haven't finished. You've interrupted me several times tonight, and I would just remind you of the courtesy, please, of going through the chair and waiting for speakers to finish speaking. Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, I'm happy to do that, Councillor Lorraine, but you did say over your mic to me, turn your mic off in a rather abrupt and rude fashion. You didn't go through the chair when you made that comment. Can we please just keep the meeting to the agendas, please? Thank you. The next item is the recommendation that BTAC note the financial position as the 31st of March 2025 and the out-term reserve position, and that members approve the transfer of the surplus to reserves. Is that agreed? Thank you. Thank you, Lazarus, for your very good report. Thank you, Madam Chair. The next item is the Work Programme, which starts on page 9 of the Agenda Pack. I will ask Phil to provide more information. Thank you, Madam Chair. There are a number of elements to consider this evening. The firstly, it was agreed by committee back in 2023 that meetings with Lincolnshire Police at Lincolnshire Housing Partnership would take place on alternate years, which means that it's necessary for them to address the committee before the end of this financial year, municipal years to say. Lincolnshire Police has proficiently agreed to address the committee on the 24th of July, and Lincolnshire Housing Partnership would address the committee on either the 20th of October, or 20th of November this year. Is that agreed to go into the Work Programme? The next item on the is the last tour of BTAC assets and sites took place in July 23. Is it the committee's wish that this take place again on the morning of the 24th of July this year, which is the same date as the next BTAC meeting? Has everybody agreed? Yeah. I'm happy with that. Yeah, thank you. The next item is the last meeting was agreed that there would be a formation of a working group on Central Park security to consider plans for September 25 onwards, when the current security contract ends. Would committee like to confirm membership of the working group and set out its first meeting today? Does any members wish to join the working group? I'm sorry, Dorian. Sorry, thank you. And what I will do if Democrats can send out some dates maybe and we'll see what might be suitable dates for you all. Okay. And finally, it's necessary to reconfirm membership of the small grants working group, which has consisted of councillors Pierpoint, Gleeson, Woodliffe, Danny and Creswell. Would those councillors please confirm whether they wish to remain on the group? Yeah, I think, yeah. Councillor Pierpoint, it can't be his evening, but he has indicated his wish to carry on as well. And are there any other councillors who wish to join it? Okay, thank you very much. So the dates of the small working group meetings are set out in the work programme, on which hopefully you will have a copy placed in front of it on you, and will be circulated also by email. Please note that for the 27th October at the moment that we have a blank, but we do have, of course, the events report which we're relating to bring for that meeting as well. And we'll be looking to bring back at the 24th of July meeting, the first round of VTAC small grants for the year. And of course, Lincolnshire Police. Yeah. Does any members have any other items they'd like to raise for the work programme? Councillor Gleeson. I'm just wondering, because obviously we had a particularly good year last year and we have now increased our reserves, whether we should be looking at improving the facilities on some of our park areas and things. For a long, I accept that INGELO isn't a BTAC asset technically, but of course it's still an area which we could put facilities onto. And I seem to remember this meeting, this committee now for many years saying that INGELO needs to be improved. It serves one of our more needy areas of the borough. So I do think we should look at maybe trying to at least ensure that the football pitches that people have volunteered. Sorry, football. Oh, the things you put the ball in. That's it. Those things are installed and maybe some more equipment or some facilities. So I do think it might be worthwhile if we could just ask for a report on things that maybe where we can improve some areas. We are disappearing in the next two to three years. And I don't think we should ensure that our facilities are as best as they can and we leave a good legacy for the people of Boston because we ain't going to get anything out of a unitry. Thank you Councillor Gayson. Councillor Woodliffe? Thank you Madam Chair. I was just going to say, could we have an update every meeting on the progress of formation of a Town Council? It's always been a bee in my bonnet all the way along. Now I know that things are moving along the right direction, but I think we'd like an update to the meeting. It's very, very important to me that we have a Town Council at the end of all of this. And we're not beaten into the ground by some unitary appearing over the horizon at the last minute. So I think that's very, very important. I did one about Angelo Park area, whether actually we should purchase it. I've never liked the idea of Bostonbury Council owning that pot of land. I always get the feeling that, you know, it might be turned into something else. Whereas if it's passed over to us formally, we'd have control of it, wouldn't we? And I am concerned that when the unitary appears, maybe we will have control of Angelo because it will pass to, you know, Lincoln or something like that. So I would, if it's peaceable to have that land passed over to BTAC control, then we could then, if necessary, we have to purchase it. One way or another, it should be under our control. Thank you Madam Chairman. Thank you Councillor Woodliffe. Councillor Izad. Yeah, I just would like to agree with Councillor Gleeson and this is a very good report and maybe we could look at some of the savings going back into equipment in the parks, etc, etc, because we just don't know what the future holds. The other thing that I was kind of hoping that someone could advise me, so we've got these electrical boards now, one's in the park and one's in Bargate. Are they assets of the council, are they part of BTAC and could we have a discussion on what's going to be, what they're going to be used for, what advertising is going to going through on the systems when they're live? Phil, can you answer that please? I don't actually have the answer, but I see Councillor Dorian. I'll start with Andy. Thank you Madam Chair. The boards are owned by the council rather than BTAC and anyone can advertise. We have got a policy written up and we're going to use it for public information. We're going to use it for community safety messages, health messages, anti-social behaviour messages and so on and so forth, but people can advertise as well. Nick Holderness, if you want to speak to her, is your best bet. My first question is, I thought LHP owned Angelo Park, does it? No? Who owns it then? We, the borough. Oh, so the borough does own it? All right, it's just the way Councillor Woodliffe asked to buy it, so we already own it. The borough. I'm sorry, I misunderstood what he meant. So he meant transfer to BTAC. All right, thank you Councillor Woodliffe. Right, okay. Yeah, we support that. Yeah, I think that was a really good idea, Councillor Gleeson. I think we should pay some attention to our most vulnerable residents in our community and do whatever we can to make their lives a little bit better. Thank you Madam Chair. Councillor Woodliffe. Thank you Madam Chair and I apologize for coming back. But just talking about play areas, of course there isn't one in my ward. West Ward doesn't have a council, you know, play area. It has lots of little play areas provided by the various, you know, health developments and companies like Broadgate and so on. Most of these play areas are derisory. It's like one small swing, one little nodding donkey, one seat and that's it. There's nothing really substantial I think for the children who are growing up in that very large area and even become even larger. Now I know that there is some land isn't there between the north 40 foot I think it is and Roseby Avenue essentially that we control. I think we call it the Mayflower area or whatever. But there's nothing very much on there and there is a lot of space. We have the Cricket Ground of course which is run by the Cricket Club and so on. But there's nowhere really for, in that ward, for children to play as such. You probably know that, you know, having been through it. You have a huge housing estate to get much, much bigger. 15, that was it, 1300 houses to be built or possibly built on the back of there. So it's going to be a vast housing estate. When you look at the facilities for children there, it's derisory. How Broadgate could get away? It's not just Broadgate, they're all the same, isn't it? One nodding donkey, one just swing, one seat, all tarmacked out nicely. It's disgraceful really. Anyway, so that's my thought, you know, I'd like at some point to see Boston Breakout or BTAC put a play area in my ward, if that were possible. OK, thank you very much Chairman. Is there any more speakers on this? Thank you. Comments have been recorded by officers and the work programme will be formulated in accordance with what has been agreed this evening. Thank you. That concludes the business of the committee. The next scheduled meeting is Thursday 24th of July at 2025. Thank you.