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Thanks, good evening everyone, welcome to the Plan and Committee meeting to everyone in the Public Gallery and those watching online. So this meeting will be recorded and live streamed by the Council. So introducing myself, I'm Councillor Jason Williams, I'm the Chair for this evening. My colleagues are Councillor Patrick Lilley, Councillor Sara Hassan, Councillor Jim Glenn and Councillor Rachel Roberson. Our Presiding Officer this evening is Steve Brandon. Our Presenting Officer is for Central, Mike Walton and for South, Max Leona and Zander-Miller. Our Sustainability Officer is Habrina Nicolova. Committee Officer is Catherine Stagg. As this to the Council is Louise Metzen. If the final alarm goes off, please follow my instruction and vacate to Angela Hooper Place, which is the Rise of City Hall when we leave from the front entrance. Members of the public, it's good evening everyone. Welcome to Plan and Committee meeting from the Media Public Gallery during or after the meeting. So this meeting will be recorded and live streamed by the Council. I reserve the right to terminate on suspender. I'm Councillor Jason Williams, I'm the Chair this evening. I invite the stern, so I'll be able to watch Councillor Patrick Lilley. This evening is Councillor Sara Hassan, Councillor Jim Glenn and the Council meeting, which were up with removal of anyone. We're starting on a search for the membership for this evening. Councillor Hassan is now a permanent member of the committee. And the week before this meeting, all cabinet, sorry, all committee members received a detailed officer's report, and copies of our representation and received our application, including all letters and emails containing objections or giving support. We have read through everything in detail, considered all items raised in the papers before this meeting. So if an issue or comment is not specifically mentioned at this meeting in presentations or discussions, it doesn't mean we've ignored them. The presentations made this evening will illustrate and complement the committee documents where you provided and considered. It's on those documents and you've cited members' reports that committee members will make familiar decisions. So now I'm going to ask members if there are any declarations of interest. Councillor Lilley. Yes, two of the applications are in the West End Board, and I've had no conversations with anyone regards them at the two and three. Thank you. Councillor Hassan. Nothing to declare, Chair. Thank you. Councillor Glenn. Yes, Chair. The first application in Ibrigate on the Belgrove Street is directly opposite a school of which I'm Chair of Governance. I've had no discussions about the application with either the school law and approach it with open mind. I did alert officers beforehand about this and they said this was not a... I did not need to recuse myself. So that's one. And the other is that I am a trustee of the Westminster Tree Trust. Because again, the trees are a key consideration. Good morning and welcome everyone to the meeting of the Westminster Council. Thank you. My name is Councillor Robert Eagleton. I'm Chair. I'm steering today. For the first item on the agenda, considering the street trading application proposal to receive the designation for pitch 172. Standing officer, I need to express your interest. And create a new designation for street trading pitch 172. Thank you. Thank you. So it turns the minutes, I've had to speak, I've had no declarations of interest in this item. Today I'm joined by my councillor colleagues, councillor MD Shamshed, Chowdry Rings and councillor Louise Himes. So I will now ask members of the firm that receive a background paper in this committee meeting. Thank you, Chef. And councillor shall do from the right-hand board in the right-hand-admission of interest. I'm councillor Himes, I represent Sir James's ward, and I have no declarations to make. Yes, yeah. I will invite councillor speakers to make representations after the author's presentation. So each speaker is allocated in three minutes, and no further representations can be made after this night. The presenting officer will outline the application and no objections received, and you will then give up to ten minutes. Comments should relate to material planning is generally, and no new issues should be raised. And then after you've made your opening submission, we'll ask any questions we may have, and you'll then get a reminder that the missing is recorded, and no reference to what was posted with personal data should be made, which could identify any individual without that individual expressed consent. So that's not the procedure. I may intervene or terminate the presentation that they consider as being published on data breach. So after all speakers have finished, and after to respond to any issues raised, members will then debate the application. There's no vote to say, and then will announce the decision. Thank you, Chair. This is an application by the Licensing Service to receive the designation the designated resolution dated 21st of July 1990 for Pitch 1724 North Wardley Street, and made the new designating resolution for Pitch 1724 Oxford Street. So the application site here was one of the E-R-Gate, it's a 60s Oxnulling located at 1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0.0-0.0-0.0-0-0.0-0 . The Licensing Service has consulted with all relevant interested parties and has not received any objections. We've received a representation in support of the application from the West End Street Trading Association on behalf of the Op. Street Trading Association on behalf of the Licence Board. Although no objections received to today's application, the original designating resolution was made by the Licensing Subcommittee and as such it's for the Licensing Subcommittee to determine today's application. In attendance today we have Wally Watson from the West End Street Trading Association and Daniel McLean with the Licence Holder. That is all from Retail Run this year and extending the 1st and 5th core levels of Lattery towards Lower Grave Street, demolishing the existing new Part 6 core building and erecting a new 6 core and 7 core levels, both set back from the floor below to allow for primitive roof terraces and the storming roof restaurant plan enclosure above these extensions. The other way back when they were moved from North Hall Street and understand that we retail all food and beverage that were provided or re-divided at the ground floor levels of Lower Val Grave Street. The Prozils as a whole would provide an output of approximately 1,600 square metres of office force base from the site. We'll know through some visualisations briefly, so this is an existing view from Buckingham Cross Road, that's proposed. This is an existing view from Lower Val Grave Street, that's proposed, here you can see the report. How are you trading there? Is it a good pitch to trade? Yes, you're happy and I assume there'll be no representations against you. So one objection that has been received in the special application, it comes from an owner of the plant and the adjoining Belgrave. Belgrave in Port. Belgrave in Port adjoins the application site, Carver and it's in a procedure for the right inspection. EB Gate has its downstair to move on a temporary basis and I said, where are you going to put up? The grounds of objection rates include lots of daylight and outlook, lots of food for most concrete and disruptions that happens during the construction of the development. One letter of support was received from a nearby business and that we'll be able to form more for support. The report committee sets out the full reasons why officers have made recommendations to approve this application subject to conditions set out in the draft decision notice and section 16 legal agreement securing carbon offsetting and contributions to the western civil finance service among other necessary obligations. However, I will now briefly discuss a few key points So you do now have raised in a wide objection. Firstly, is the dangerous and the site location and the site activity zone and the Victoria Opportunity Area mean that the additional and improved office floor space are supported in principle. The provision of a retail or food and beverage unit at ground floor level is also considered acceptable. Given there are no objections to this application. In terms of sustainability, part of extension and permission of the existing building is supported in certain components and the process of a road to hold a carbon is considered acceptable and welcome as well. The provision does not achieve net zero carbon on site and so offsetting measures all carbon offsetting payments will need to be secured by a lease agreement. While some solar panels are proposed in the roof of the building, officers aren't convinced that more cannot be proposed and so condition the board is attached to individual attacks requiring the applicant to revisit their strategy with respect to solar panels before development is occupied. For context, there are solar panels in the roof of the building here as part of the building. Moving to design, offices consider the proposed extensions both upwards and lateral to be acceptable in townscope terms as well as with respect to the settings of the nearby heritage assets and views of importance in both the London View Management Framework and the Belgravia neighbourhood plan. Offices consider the double height based the north and west facades and the extra wide recess to the main entrance to be disproportionate given the overall scale of the building as its immediate surrounding and its immediate surroundings. However, the resulting appearance of the building is overall considered to be an improvement on the existing appearance and so was considered acceptable. In amenity terms, which is my premise of objection, the proposal's additional point would result in a noticeable and adverse loss of daylight to 14 north-facing kitchens in 14 different flats in Belgravia courts. So these are the flats that are facing north here by the stairwell of the band. Thank you for everyone for being in this moment. While this is regrettable, it is noted that these windows already have a very poorly existing building agenda item, which is considering that the application for a new pharmacy license in respect for 13 to 14 years under the 1-day green fireworks. And I have no declaration of interest in this fashion. In fact, I have no declaration of interest in this fashion. In fact, I have no declaration of interest in this fashion. In fact, I have no declaration of interest in this fashion. One other window on Belgravia court experiences a loss of daylight. Can you please introduce us again? That's underneath the overhang here. Declarations of interest in this item, but also the other item. Thank you, good to see you again. Aside from the kitchens, I failed the no skyline test. I don't have any declarations for this item or the next item, but I do to know that as Council for St James' board, I will not be sitting on the last item today. There are also some minor features of the BOA guidance, with respect to daylight and number 22, E.B. Street, 2 and 2A, which is the two residential buildings in the school, and also a few windows to supply the application and any objections received in this piece of square from the school, and obviously the applications were as well. However, these are not considered to adversely affect the enjoyment of these properties while it's functioning in other schools. I suppose the additional point in BOA was also a noticeable increase in no shadowing. Many years ago, I did work for ComCom, but it was a long time ago. But this will only be noticeable around the after quarters, and also between October and February. On item 2, this one I'm about to hear. Yeah, I did work for ComCom, but it was a long time ago. I'm going to be overshadowed in a kind of distinct situation. So, overall, this increase is not considered so severe as to outweigh the benefits of BOA. The BOA, yeah. There are no combustion sources included in the proposal. And noise and vibration from the proposed roof.com will be secured to the conditions we may have. The other parties will only have up to 10 minutes to make their own submission. The development group will be required to adhere to the council's code of construction practice, which will mitigate and monitor the construction and development. And then you will lead to summing up, starting to view the parties' balance of five minutes, many of themselves for the last five minutes. And we will then retire. The lateral extension towards level of race creation in private. And the decision won't be announced today. It will be announced. We'll need to be cleaning back those four white beams on level of race creation today. So, with it, that might must have presented to the outline of the application. Thank you, Chair. This is an application for a new premises licence for Gertaint, Bultain, Dane Street, London, W1D3 Park. The application will be made by Supertent. The restaurant is limited, represented today by Jack Spieglot, Thomas and Thomas, Brian Hannan, Ben Chapman, Nudu, Sajj, and Gertlund, W1D3 Park. In fact, it is applied for retail silent alcohol or consumption on and off the premises. Therefore, to conclude, for the regions just outlined and set out in the full report to committee, the application is to accept full in terms of land use, sustainability, design, conservation, and emergency, and it would have called for London Plan, Westminster City Plan, and the Belgavia Neighbourhood Plan, and it is recommended from the table to subject to conditions and the section 06 legal agreements. I draw your attention to the amendment to Condition 8 by Arvin, please, from the desk, how to join the post-destruction and monitoring reports for the circuit of colonial purposes at the moment of which stage. So, our speaker is James Rayner from Gertlund. Thank you, Chair and Chancellor. As far as Westminster applicants go, they don't get much better than this. I am James Rayner, the CEO. I am thrilled to be here to discuss this fabulous proposal that we put forward to today at 23-year-old Belgrave Street. I hope you agree with our view that this is a wonderful example of intelligent, imaginative, and sensitive and retrofit development. We see our purpose as creating properties and places to generate long-term social, environmental, and economic benefits, ensuring that the neighbourhoods we work in meet today's needs and also those in the future. Society faces twin challenges over climate crisis and slow economic growth, and this both hampers the investment in vital infrastructure and the public service. The current building as it does nothing to address those issues. The restaurants are highly accessible. But we believe that the proposed development does. This is a significant investment by growth, which we are making because we think that the development can lock to the full potential of a major site within the central activity zone and the Victoria opportunity area. It would clearly have been a lot more simple to just knock down and build, for sure, but we have chosen a retrofit first approach and are undertaking a deep retrofit and an extension in order to lower the embodied carbon on the development. And we will create a 55,000 square foot creating office building. The building will be energy efficient and is due to operate to a neighbour's five-star rating and will house around 350 employees to work in the future. And I think also equally importantly around the building is there is a fantastic opportunity to upgrade the streetscape and also the landscape. We've been working with officials and the community since 2021, the Charles then covered three on the plans hit. And we've refined the plans based upon the feedback that we have received. Firstly, and very importantly, there is no presumption of these applications compliant with policy. I believe that the contemporary design, which is introduced to architectural principles, guided by the science codes and the Balboaian neighbourhood plan, sits incredibly well within the local environment. And overall, this development is exactly what the city has been calling out for. I believe that ultimately it creates significant social environmental benefits. I'd like to extend my thanks to the officers who worked The specific location is also very relevant to the impact chair being just over 100 metres away. I just want to cut back any points raised? Meaning well behaved. So there's a sense of three. Land use, sustainability, environments and unity. So any comments or questions about land use? Thank you. And for similar reasons, in respect to this low risk. Just generally, though, there's a lot to like about this. I like the retrofit nature of it. I like to be doing well. And it is quite clear. We invite you also to place it around the hours. Slide four. Three, four hours. Sale of alcohol. It's office and a restaurant. It's not another hotel. Which is very good. I think this is a very, um, period. It's a very good example. I think this is a very, um, period. It's a very good example of the sort of office space that we need. It's obviously it's right to the prime position in the rural opportunity area. And if I follow three of them, I think it's a very good example of the sort of office space that we need. It's obviously it's right to the prime position in the rural opportunity area. And, and I think it will be, it will be a very good, uh, it will be a very good use. I'd just like to ask, um, one point about the, um. So your own expert advice is. Sorry if I'm leaving your head here. Um, but, uh, I'm sort of very sensitive to the fact that it is officer to prime school. In relation to the hours and conditions. And can I just ask, because I didn't think it was in the papers, is all the servicing for the restaurant going to be done through the rest of the place. Are silent on the proposed hours. I knew the construction. Mr. Coates, who's not with us today, uh, is a nearby business owner. And he raises a number of concerns, some of which are respectfully not relevant to perhaps originate. Thank you. Misunderstandings. So are we happy to move on to the sustainability environment? Mr. Coates is happy to talk to you about that, um, conversation. Mr. Coates is happy to talk to you about the restaurant proposals specifically, but still has concerns about the third party development works of the building, which again are respectfully not so relevant to the decision. So six steps can be used on site, but targeting 99.5. To live off site. Is that quite usual to do that? Is that quite usual to do that? It can't do on site. Is that quite usual to do that? It can't do on site. Mr. Coates, translocation in the Kimden impact zone. So to address you on that chair in my earlier submissions of those. Yes. Well, this is in addition to an existing server business. The applicant does not part of the server community and was very grateful to the Soho Society for their time during a friendly and helpful pre-submission meeting earlier this year. Okay. In promoting the Soho Society provided feedback that was carefully considered, the hosts were suggested accordingly in a particular Soho Society expressed strong concerns in respect of the applicant's original proposal for external seating. Obviously, that will have an impact on the business plan to refuse the Soho Society's permissions or recommend refuting permission of the applicant's original. Other than those two objections there, which we respectfully have addressed, there are eight representatives in support ranging from the Soho Society. So a business line has been no explanation of what's changed. Is this a different application? And what has changed to make it acceptable TFLTQIA plus? Our logo. Nothing has changed in the residence. And even two. Oh, across all two. Dean Street residents. It's all of them. Speak very positive about the education of the scheme on the app. On the deliverables as well, too. In general. And after the consideration came back, there are no recommendations on. So the majority of representations are received. I ask you to grant this application, Chair. It's strange. Thank you. As I've said, despite being regularly told, this really is an exceptional move to lead. Yeah, absolutely. So I'm curious about the education of the background of Soho, not just in terms of commissioners. You say it will cause noticeably more overshadowing around the equinoxies and by which, what, September, October and May? Is that right? No. Chair, we've got a couple minutes left in my mouth. So it's around March 21st and September 21st. Thank you. For a few weeks, I've decided that there will be an increase in the overall challenge back there. We are in the self of an independent self focus as we all have done. The time in particular occurs out. It has been very, very successful in the issues. It is around mid-day. So I agree. The situation goes what would be the case. Values are really amazing. Deliciously cooked. Amazing interest. It's very increased. It's very increased. And by then, there's no change in those months. It sounds so that would be, we have a lot of country dine. And there's a lot of residents and workforce come to dine on their own. That's been huge and successful. I'm worried about the restaurant diversity as well. And there was a number of weddings and proposals could have killed a number of our restaurants. We supported it. We had those drawers. We had those drawers. But there were drawers in the show. We had those drawers. But there were drawers in the show. We had those drawers. But there were drawers in the show. And there's huge, large-scale employees. We are concerned with mutual equity. Plus community. And of course, we're perfect. We provide space-based visualizations. And we're very close to the view. The observation that indicated tables and chairs on the front of the restaurant. However, there's a content. We produce something that we've been living for for seven, eight years. We don't think that there's a co-part as a team. And I just don't think the problem of our team in these individuals has ended up being provided. I don't think she's a very suitable for those tables and chairs. In a progressive manner. But there's not been all that high-risk debt. We, you know, open up a successful restaurant. We've made it very successful to all stakeholders, our suppliers, our small farmers. I share the concerns because there's been sort of a separate issue around the school and other customers. So that's a long-term successful institution or restaurant. We don't go all that chain, so you don't see two kins or two communities. But nevertheless, anything that would make it less useful is obviously a certain. Although I take the point that it's only around the effort. There was also mention about an impact on the classroom. So I'd be grateful if you could just illustrate on that, please. My colleagues would tell people about that last aspect of the day. So very, very exciting. We've worked with a group of farmers, enduring guidance. We've worked very closely. We've worked very closely. Everyone's very excited, you know, to bring this and, you know, to train this. So there'd be no noticeable impact for the classroom. That's an exciting solo institution. I think that's what makes up. Just my final point on the impact on the school. Has there been... I know the school has... Has there been... Has there been... Has there been... I know the school has... Has there been... Has there been... Any conversations around... Contributions from this application to Morse? No. No. No. No. Okay. Any time for residents. Through this. Second... Thank you very much. On the lighting, I know that the proposal should light the front of the building and through the light, certainly up to the first floor level, which actually would be good in terms of helping to design out potential problems with rust hooping, etc., which is a major problem in that area. But can you, what will be the impact, the light smell impact on some of the residential processes on site, particularly those ones on Eaglen Street, on the ones on the north of Eaglen Street, a lot of no matter what's right, and off plan, the environment and during pre-application advice was reserved from the environmental office as well. The lighting scheme is satisfied with that, so they may, of course, reserve the light to the death mask, not higher, but potentially lower. Okay, because I think the lighting up the facade of the school would be a good idea. I think any encouragement around Eaglen Street itself would be more of a problem, because there's a number of residential properties across from that, so I think that would be to be avoided. I think it depends how you define a community area, obviously a sample is, you know, as an excellent word for residents. I have a question about the adjoining building and the emergency of the people living there. I mean, it's very encouraging that only one person object is huge, but I just wanted to know what the level of consultation was. Everybody in the block are any consultant, and can we have a little bit more information about how it will affect their views? And it's hard to see what the distance was, because I think it's a very tiny space of that, so maybe it's just a little bit more information about what kind of impact that was that? So I think there are two stories being added about this, to give you a little bit more information about how it impacts their views. I think we provide genuine, intensive consultation, I'm from the South African community, I think we've notified everyone in the area before we made the application, and then came on to the statutory consultation, which by the way we wanted in line, we've got very people to walk over. Just that we're able to employ people. They've made the way I did. It seems to be a briefing. We've got a briefing of well over five years service. So each year we hold a national national national celebration. I need it, yes. I do. One question I'd like to ask the design officer about is the fact it's slightly off the board, because it comes forward saying that officers didn't like the design of the facade of its double height frontage, but actually in balance. My question is, obviously you've got two other restaurants in Soho, and they're in similar locations, very much mixed with residents. Do you have many people going in complaining about these restaurants and how they're operating? Well, on the local residents they're really enjoying. There was an unstopping design case officer, significant negotiation over... Yes, there are guests. So it's very spawning, there are your MP customers and guests, and that's where you've built the foundations of great listeners and great nation. So if there is ever any problems, it's just addressed beautifully there and there, as opposed to, you know, how can we happen at any given time? And that includes, like, residents meeting, letting immediately above kill. Is it not good? That's good to hear that. Another facetious question is if you have insert spaces like that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, some people like graffiti but that doesn't look good, so yeah, the building will have to be managed, but no less. Snap West next door, yeah. Yeah, perhaps do theirs too. So yeah, all of a sudden, I don't know, yeah, I made a bed, I don't think. Yeah, so we, well, my background actually before cooking this was a particular item. So to me it's quite important that the architectural merit of the works that we do is passed. Yes, I'd like to ask about the trees. Do we have a picture of what the, because there's quite a bit in the papers about the impact of the white green trees. Do we have a picture of what they will look like? Submission. Okay, but I accept that in the balance of things that is considered that that isn't also the benefit of the additional office space, which I would agree with. However, I do, I sort of, I was surprised that I welcomed the contribution to the maintenance of the trees, but I don't understand why we'd ask for, for example, the contribution in terms of planting properties elsewhere. There's a lot of sites in my world, and particularly around this site, which would really benefit from it. So why can't we ask the applicant? You know, we accept that these trees, which is a tall and tall and tall and tall and tall and tall and tall and tall and tall and tall and tall. And that's part of the compromise, as Susanna was talking about on the site. We have to accept compromise sometimes, but why can't we ask for contributions in terms of planting other special entities in the area? There's a great use for promotion for hospitality venues. Excuse me, contribution to the plantial trees. We're very happy to consider the application stage. But also, it wasn't going in. Whereas they weren't removing the trees and then they are removing the trees that are there. There's also worth noting that the first will increase the urban greening of the site. And there is planting proposed on the parishes. So I don't think with what? I don't think with what? I don't think with what? We are to be concerned about neutering, familiar, refrain as well. Which, yeah, I suggest we do ask. Because actually, I think it's a perfectly reasonable ask. You know, I accept that those ones will be unbalanced. As I say, I think that's fine. The greening to the rear won't be seen. It's there, yes. But it won't be seen in terms of improving the areas in the area. So I think we should. I think we should. Any further comments? Jane Doyle, who's next? Just one random one, really. There was a section on the ground water management issue. Just out from Cuba. And that there was. So it's living through those changes. And if we had more time than the seven-half minutes. Assumption that the applicant would incorporate within their proposal protection to the property to prevent sewage flooding. Can I just ask if that's all been resolved within the application now? Or what the final word is on that? I'm sorry. This is in the 2013. The 2013 number of licensees. Of the 2013. The Green. The Green. The Green. The Green. The Green. The Green. And the cumulative impact assessment that you did in 2020 and 2023 basically say exactly that. So you've got two on-page documents which, when you boil it down, says that the receiving of the condition that requires compliance property. So that's the outcome submitted, the sustainable training strategy, and the public assessment. So the application specifically is described as being core hours, and this is something that I've noticed is happening quite a lot, but it's not core hours. It says that the new policy is for obligations as well as license one-times. So what happens when you're told that core hours and license one-times is the 30-minute wind-down time? That seems very innocuous. Wind-down time in the policy is incorporated into core hours. So it's for them to manage it. The theory being that if it's a quiet... Yes, I'm very happy to approve this. I think it looks very good. It could be a significant improvement in the error, not only in terms of the office. space that it provides, but also the appearance. And if we can have some... It's a great project. It's a great project. It's a great project. Thank you. I think it's a great project. I think the theory of it is that everyone's not working around... ...versus... ...as is the increase in biodiversity net gain... Are we breathing? Are we breathing? Are we breathing? I'm very happy to approve it too. I think it looks very good. I think it looks very good. It could be a significant improvement in the error, not only in terms of the office space that it provides, but also the appearance. And if we can have some further machines, it would be even better. But it's a good scheme. 30 minutes might not seem a lot, but if you look at... ...notes that they maintain both negotiations during the construction phase with the school models to preserve the teaching and learning environment. The conditions... I just have two or three points on those. Thank you. Okay. Can we move on then to item 2, which is at 6 to 10, Rufin Street. Yeah. It's all on the same stage, which is... So, if I take condition 20 first... Yes. ...that stays after 2300... ...you can't go outside with a drink. Thank you chair. The model condition doesn't have the after 2300. Yes, thank you. I'm not sure how it's crept in there. we wouldn't just say the patron is going outside to smoke and make a phone call, shouldn't be able to take it outside. It's a restaurant, it's a very, very common condition to have on restaurants. We just, yes, after 2300 hours, it's deleted from that. The other points regarding servicing conditions 14 and 15, which have the hours as planned to keep up with 0700. What the social society has found is that one difficulty that's residents find is that where applications are granted, it may well be, and I'm sure it will be in this case, the operation of the premises for the licensable activities within core action and over the licensable activities. It's those of ancillary activities such as collection of sites within deliverance. So conditions 14 and 15, we would suggest that's mentioned to our 800 hours. And in reality, it's not, it shouldn't really make a special policy area because of the exclusion of the council's own commercial waste. So if the council, I don't know what they are, if the council times on that part, at least do it at 4am, they can do it at 4am, because it won't add to the problem. Images to some verified views of the... But we would say if they're using a... The front of the screen now is a couple of foot across the first one, left-hand side is looking in a western direction on Bruton Street. The same applies to deliveries... The application building is a hot basement, which I'll come back to ground seven of the floors. So you've seen that the six and seven floors on the slide setback, and what I've been asked by Brick and Blank on recent applications is this. The second photograph on the right-hand side of the screen, what they find difficult to understand is, if you were directly building, the headline exclusion sets, there's likely to be concrete if you're due to the ground floor to grant new applications. The policy says, you'll only grant it something that doesn't have to keep into it. What the CIA says effectively, is that any application is likely to have to keep into it. So they're so excited to find it difficult to understand how that circle can be square, or square, or square, or square. So, and the second photograph on the left-hand side is... And then the second photograph on the left-hand side is... If you do back down the application, you see it's in, there's a ground floor projection, there's the building, the floors, and that sets, that'd be very helpful for us moving forward. The Bruton Lane front of the ship's presence, particularly poor part of the conservation area and townscape, and I'll come back to that as well. I'll finish on... I'll finish on... I can see your point, obviously, about... When you've got a... Tested and trusted, you've already... You know, kind of a premises operating in your area. Do you feel that you can... be more relaxed about them operating another premise, because they're... You know these guys, or you know these guys, they're good operators, and obviously, they need to make their business viable. So... Do you feel more relaxed about them, knowing that they're very good operators? We would love to be able to take that view, but unfortunately, the reason why we can't, not just on this application, is the ease of which the license can be transferred to the else. So when you hear activation, you hear the... So, it's been the proposal, it's... Very rarely, actually. The last scheme, in terms of its port, very rarely, any issues with... ...revertisement, but stripping back, because it's been built, and the license can be transferred, and it's then the building. So, that's one of the reasons why I've commented on the position. So, on the left-hand side of this shop, it's... The summits are strengthening after others, it's quite a large retail transfer, means that we can only put a certain amount of weight on... ...the quality of... ...layerly also, so they are in the basement level, which is like... ...the facilities to the UTM unit. That's the reality. Um, then the office entrance, the main office entrance is from... ...Routon Street, to see that the whole... ...the large hall to the west side of the site. On your presentation, you mentioned about the... ...capacity in the area... ...levels of 1 of the 6... ...you've heard from them, again, about 150 maximum, they're asking at this stage, is there anything you would like to highlight on that? ...footprint. And secondly, I would like to see... Can you see me with that picture again, please? Um... ...the offices start set back, so... It sounds really set, there should be a balance... ...on both... ...but I can see by the picture... ...at the moment... ...the preface is empty... ...full of gravity... ...network is gone... ...eventually someone will come in... ...the end of the 7th floor... ...but I think... ...if there's a... ...but there's a... ...coming there... ...they will not leave the area... ...but my question is... ...top floor residents... ...if there's... ...was there any concern about... ...gathering outside... ...or smoking... ...or any kind of thing... ...and I'll show you one more... ...well... ...um... ...these are quite small... ...but they... I don't think there should be... ...any more than city... ...half a dozen... ...ground floors... ...the top... ...and then... ...at present... ...is a small basement... ...or part... ...of the site... ...the proposal is... ...that's extended... ...to the full... ...with the sites... ...and that follows... ...the ground floor... ...and then at second... ...basement... ...there's a much smaller... ...basement... ...as set out... ...and that report... ...to be considered... ...aspect... ...of the application... ...as it... ...as it... ...as it... ...in land... ...use... ...and amenities... ...the applications... ...considered... ...acceptable... ...no objections... ...to the application... ...we see... ...and... ...the papers... No, I'm talking about... ...well... ...well... ...well... ...are... ...residents... ...of... ...great merit... ...from... ...no... ...to... ...design... ...the... ...is... ...that... ...as... ...proposed... ...and... ...this is the same... ...photograph... ...directional... ...photograph... ...that showed... ...well... ...westerly... ...directional... So just on smoking, I think Jay mentioned 12, I think it would be unlikely there would be significant numbers. This just happens to be a big group, not as a big group, but lots of people suddenly in the same time. So the way that the building, which is the corner of Boonton Street and Boonton Inn, would become a feature of the third corner with the gazing, the 78 floors are set in this restaurant. This is a photograph looking across Boonton Street, it would be a combination of three blocks here and 50s building, 60s, 70s or 70s. Via a system where you arrive, your name would be taken, so you're in a virtual view, and then you'd also be staggered and then you'd call back. So they'd go to a local, for example, in Waste and have a drink, and then they'd get a text message and say, where are you taking, you're ready for 15, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, so that makes me don't visit, you know, large people at the side. From Conduit Street in a westly direction, then in the foreground is the Time Life building, which is listed, and then there's the Coaching Horse's Park, which is listed, and then the application. 15 is, we would say, to you know, as proposed, there is an increase in Boonton Mass. The Coaching Horse's Park, which has said, she can successfully accommodate anything that's acceptable. And then finally, in terms of images that I'm showing you, this is a photograph of Bruton Lane, which is on the street, and the demolition of the grove floor, the sections that step in and out is welcomed. The proposal is that it's a retail unit with active furniture, and this is a new significant improvement on this. You had pre-planning, you had pre-planning, it was, I could say, it's pre-planning, not pre-licencement. Part of the licences, yes, that's absolutely right there, will be a copy of the licences application to share. What was it? I didn't know that, but I'd nothing to do with that. And there are some of the licences members, and there was a support was there, and there was a strong use from those schemes. Our consideration is set out in the report. We think there'd be room, but in terms of humanity, you've got very detailed sections of the report. It addresses some loss of light, but it's considered acceptable. I'll just ask around some of the things that were mentioned by Mr Brown. So if we're looking at conditions 14, 15, and 16, it's similar to the application 1. So the proposed changes to 14 and 15, I think we're okay, because we're using viola. Condition 16 would be a bit more problematic. I'll have you able to rely on that, and that's relating to deliveries. So due to the nature of small independent suppliers, we've got small farmers coming in from Furs and Cambridge, small vehicle, large trucks, etc. They like to get in and get out early, they don't want to be stuck in urban traffic. 6 to 10 Bruton Street represents a high-quality optimisation of an existing building, taking close advantage of its prominent location on the corner of Bruton Street in Bruton Lane. The site marks significant junction on Bruton Street meets a historic tyburn which runs up beneath Bruton Lane. This coxswain creates a playful, historical, and organic feature from Bruton Lane, a feature of our proposal to celebrate. After time embraces the opportunity to enhance Bruton Lane, and the time built an opportunity of celebrating the site's distinctive triangular form. The current building underutilised at this front location presents a neglected rear elevations of Bruton Lane. The existing single-story back-of-house area and the cigarette form along Bruton Lane creates a series of unappealing spaces with awkward different pinch points. The proposal aims to achieve retention of 70% of the existing area of 41 cents of the building's structural mass, where many of the high-quality parts of the building are lining with existing floorplaces which we send, significantly enough that there's the crucial floor for the means of justice. These enhancements will bring the building up to grade A to the modern standards. This approach sustainably increases the office area lining to the activity of the zones. Yeah, absolutely. And we've all heard about Bruton Lane. The Bruton Lane base works with Bruton Lane, and those big trucks around so-called so-called with a new addition of her activation extension on Bruton Lane. The design features of a taxi car at this facade using high-performance and durable materials, such as wooden stones, recycled bronze aluminium windows, and these old windows to drink out. And I think that's, yeah, just so just moving away. Yeah, but I was elegantly set to a handproof. The facade's proportions have been carefully considered to balance optimal daylight and thermal performance whilst enhancing the meat-based conservation area. The proposed building targets of Bruton Lane, and Jane, do you find... I'll introduce this one because I'd... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And Jane, do you find... Do your members find it useful to have a telephone number of premises so that if there are problems they can easily pick up the furniture? Is it there? Yeah, I think it's been... I'm doing it this way. I'll see news that we're just trying to use for... Yeah, I'm doing it this way. I'm doing it this way, I'll see news that we're just trying to use for... Yeah, I'm doing it this way. Yeah, I'm doing it this way. I'm doing it this way, I'll see news that we're just trying to use for... The developers are only projected to generate one additional vehicle trip per day, with management covered via delivery service and waste management plan. We firmly believe this proposal is an all-round exemplary utilisation of the existing building whilst fully optimising the full potential of this system. Our clients can't say, our full-time consultant team work dynamically with your officers and all the stakeholders to bring forward an exemplary proposal that we all will be very proud of generation... Condition 21? No. It was 20. So we just deleted and have to 23 hundred dollars. Yeah. Thank you. Okay, so... Condition 21 is one which is agreed with the environmental health officer. Yes. In the second paragraph, it talks about the views on application, please. The second paragraph, but second sentence, as a minimum, environmental health shall require the following. Yeah. I'd like to, just for enforcement, environmental health shall require, if appropriate, the following sets are true. Yeah, no, that's helpful. Thank you. In fact, we had a similar conversation with the officers about when they provide some reassurance in terms of what they would require. So I think that plays a little bit as hell. Yeah, yeah. Condition 28. It doesn't have any particular doorbacks. I'd like to delete... ...because that's... ...replication of... Condition... You're calling something? Yeah. Yeah. I think I remember that. I sat on a clarification for next door to it. 11 or very close. Yes. And is that not been demolished? Or is it in the process of being sold? I'm just about to describe, you know, the setting of this new design. Do we know anything about that? There was some conflict between the... What's happening in the adjacent film? ...Cubitive Act Assessments... Yeah, the Red Road one. ...and the policy? I could be wrong. I mean, I just think along that, there is no other... ...proversions along route and street... The policy sets... ...which we're not in given size of in this application... ...in this presentation... ...if it can be demonstrated that it won't have to keep the movement. CIE said, in January, it says that any new license... ...it's not necessarily a conflict, but the difficulty that the society sometimes has is... Okay, I could probably wrong, I was just wondering how that's a... I mean, in general terms, as a design, it's completely a vast improvement. And actually, I'm intrigued by the fact that it's... ...an issue or so. Referring to the title... ...and you have one document more recently... ...saying... ...any new license... ...it has been a huge angle, whereas the previous design... ...placed locks... ...which sort of... ...almost... ...you know... ...you know... So our position is... ...if you'll manage to grant this application... ...and I agree about the reduction in the pinch points... ...by removing the corners... ...is a great... ...very helpful... ...for bridging that... ...to understand how... ...what the policies as well... ...the CAA... ...sets... ...result to the grants... ...i.e. ...how... ...the CAA... ...I think it's a very good-looking application... ...and I personally do like... ...the double floor... ...the double ground floor... ...aspect... ...and the corners... ...being curvy... ...which I think it's very, very interesting... ...and very... ...another... ...step forward... ...because it will help us to understand... ...the committee... ...of committees... ...in... ...notwithstanding... ...my colleagues... ...I think... ...look... ...it's a... ...very good design... ...it's a huge improvement... ...so... ...so... ...which looks... ...which looks... ...putting off... ...from the moment... ...and actually you can see... ...that could be really... ...improved as a sort of destination... ...and so... ...it might not be added to... ...it might not be added to... ...it might not be added to the... ...it might not... ...it might not be added to the... points raised by the highways team because they raise a number of issues here around the design which are the licenses for those premises that still exist and I do I would like to sort of have some response on these so one thing is the lack of solution I mean I may be quite wrong it's the servicing which is it is well known that restaurants are rare in Rooters Street which is a very busy the one that took off most in my heart having had to skip through the pavement in Chester Row so I would like to reassure you because I think they are of concern I don't know if that's your service what we're trying to do um it can start with the servicing this isn't a redevelopment if it was a redevelopment we would expect to see off-screen servicing I mean it's not just it's not just the extension of the global effect yeah and then you've they've decided for some reason or another of the applicants if they would then you can get some unbelievable it would mean I mean it would come from um in the same street don't don't know and it would mean that the retailers want to be provided with the large active footage would be interrupted it would also be somewhere else yeah demolition you know the wonderful operation and you can have a real public operation to follow it which causes key problems and then the development is potentially service from now we have two points which are on the screen now all the options of main review and then perhaps the screen yes there is but then it's all requested etc to do that it's a very simple straightforward application i don't know how many further questions estimating that it would be all additional deliveries so although from a purely highways point of view it would be better if there was off-street service and there were a number of factors for Dean that i think um we're happy uh with the richard for his management comments so that was the first point in terms of um just in terms of what that means is the core hours back of house some plates with children's services can be accommodated on-site for the decision that richard doesn't get but in terms of the the clearance that all complains dealing with core hours and came to the back sort of the same time there's no objection that it doesn't to the hours well um and no objection to the restaurant specifically well well this is our highways no objection from responsible authorities just to code 18 it says the expanded basement it's indicated to extend the numbers that i mean but does not provide the minimal and vertical periods of 9.5 millimetres are supporting the restaurant and support and i'll be saying that it extends onto the um richard did introduce these points particularly on the hours well that was a report from november 24 just to make a slight point with that that's not included in the um representation and 9.37 of the statutory times but it says that further representation should address the hearing so i'd ask you to please you know focus on the written submission but i think the also the specific location is very relevant here it's three meters away literally meters away from the top of core row to this line station and then a little bit beyond that straight out of these things and they're well-paid restaurant customers are going to finish a meal it's sufficient at this restaurant they're not likely to head back into soho to drink so so does it so does it reply with our minimum our minimum vertical clearance of 900 million yes it does so the highway management report is incorrect yes and in soho positively contributed so and also experience with the exact i'm not sure that's great um and second does the does the basement therefore extend under the highway in terms of when we say the highway do we just mean i mean which doesn't mean that yeah obviously now is um people are in soho already it's those local residents it's those workers that perhaps they're coming in to die they're not traveling they're not traveling they're not adding to kindergarten the algorithm they're very warm extends the this team both this is it this is the ownership there's no house there's no big coffee it's outside of this so it's really this work really make it successful to make sure it's not one of those restaurants that are unfortunately closed are we saying this is wrong as well yeah so does it does the basement extend beyond the footprint of the building under the highway or not it does extend under the under the and are we comfortable with that and are we yeah this is answered actually some of the data to demonstrate that the proposal must have been amended that's probably what's causing the yeah confusion between what the and give you notes that are managed by this place no this isn't like this um you've heard it thank you the third paragraph yes but most of the benefit of the course of the structure to ensure where the basement extends under the highway and by it's great examples cycled by the old bell in the corner dr there is now retail fashion at the grill shack on big street uh it's now a shop these things do um change and i think it's very important if we all collect the style and type of business that we are independently supports the general small farmers there are sorts of businesses that want to get behind let's not trim at the edges to make a success it's the land i always described that all the state calls me over on a monday morning thursday friday is the team you know saturday isn't business rates etc so by the time i guess it's about 10 percent yourself so it's very important marginal edges of this that we don't compromise that in either occupancy that we planned out or on hours in order to support the white business doing things the right way so we do avoid closure in the future and support those tribal businesses we've demonstrated that to date from 2014 to now our two businesses and ourselves our two businesses in shortage and obviously uh demonstrated in a very clear way we have no preference of the intention of selling and we want to create institutions that are interested where all of those stakeholders really will thrive and survive and we want to provide um just to be like but there's an overall provision of supporting that when they come on that essential solo pop into us and then into into crossroad i think those hours are very important otherwise i guess we can go oh i don't have any time i went to holliver the other day you know throughout at 10 o'clock it's quite hard to get into a place where you can have sit down and enjoy you know a meal because of a new policy by the gla and leave that right yeah that's correct way you know get into your crossroad so it's quite what we do that i think we should support those elements of what solo stands for yeah and that's what we really thoroughly understand so this actually um so society coming to our restaurants and spurting to you know sba it's it's a lovely community like do ask the committee to support us in what we're trying to do and you know be successful planning it back here in two years time with another interesting community of people to support and grow and thrive any clients or any questions will come at sunset because he's mentioned at the beginning of this the general answer the principle of the eighth floor extension has been established by a previous generation so really this is um so thank you for being talking about thank you uh we've advised that we're going through the direction because we're only talking about the past 11 percent of the instructors on the maps thank you very much thank you for the seven percent of the area and obviously they're demolishing the and then angry it's been not sufficiently tested sorry it is unusual usually you have a lot more retention by math and less by area but because here uh and a lot of the mass is in the basement and in the piles but here we have actually a new basement so that's why the retention is more by area and less by mass which is not usually the case and again the the the form the architecture of the existing building is uh it's quite uh awkward in the sense that if you are to remove that reset and accept um and create one continuous set a thermal line for example um then actually bigger parts of the structure in the beginning to be able to do that uh it's just very efficient for on the moment so uh but yes in terms of definition actually points within that okay thank you any questions on this or amenity or any other issues no ready to kathy glenn i'm sorry i'm going to talk because it doesn't sound i just have a quick question about the quality of the green roof and the by the biodiversity i was wondering if maybe we can comment on that because um uh i mean it seems like it's a bit of a small area well i mean it's hard to tell but i was just wondering uh about the quality um yeah of what's being yeah i don't think it's a small area obviously on the seventh and eighth floors um the proposal is that the roofs would be amendment space for the office occupants which is welcome then it's on top of that um the it's a combination of plants photovoltaics and green roof but there is quite a significant green roof there's a green living roof that's proposed so that's welcomed and it's um conditioned okay thank you so glenn i i just had a question about britton lane and your i think it was slide 16 which showed a lovely image of the future britton lane including block paving and what looks like county yorkstone pavements and generally improvement is and almost pedestrianized i mean what actually is happening under this permission and section 106 is the developer going to do all of those lovely things to proven lane or are they are they rather hoping the council will um no the development will do it it's all of that i think so yeah it's all to be secured as um under the legal agreement in 278 agreement so that is the proposal right yeah the applicant owns both buildings on both sides so they're going to be ready is it in the whole of britain lane or just to where it does that kink well this this will all come forward obviously um the highways works and the environmental groups would come forward and the plans that are approved it's partly one or six um but it's certainly two so number 25 it's when the area that you can see on the screen here which is depicted in the um individuals but as steve says they're on both sides so in their interests all right thank you very much okay let's move to the votes in that case that's something uh yes i'm happy to approve i think it would be a huge improvement in the area another good retrofit scheme i'm impressed that the mayfair neighborhood forum talks for a very brief comment which just said it was a great merit so i would tend to agree with them that i think this is of great merit so um the speaker using term optimization of the site and i think that seems to be pretty accurate i mean um uh it looks great i love the corner and um yeah i think it's a welcome addition thank you thank you absolutely um approved for sure um it is as everyone said a huge improvement um but yeah of course yeah i agree huge improvements uh so it's approved you don't say thank you thank you yes and i'm moving on to the final item which is 25 27 uh and the last item is 25-27 uh St George Street on the screen to the site and on the sides to the south of a square lined in pink on the side plans there's a front job St George Street and then we turn from the job at Mason's Arms Mews uh we're in the Mayfair Conservation Area this is a photograph of the St George Street elevation building a basement ground and um seven upper floors you can see the seventh floor in this um particular shot is set back and then a view of um Mason's Arms Mews elevation so the history is particularly relevant that in July last year permission has grown four extensions in um fourth to seventh floors this is an aerial model of that development um that application involved the loss of five residential units at fifth and sorry six and seventh floor level your new screen now is the um the floor plans of the um existing residential so there's a one bed unit um at the southern side here and then four two bed Mason X uh split between six six and seven floor level the approved scheme was for officers at both those levels and both the loss of five residential units um and that was linked to uh a site at 70 new park lane by a legal agreement where the replacement residential off-site residential was going to be provided this application um is virtually identical in terms of the physical works there are some very minor changes which i'll show you now on the screen but we're not bringing it back because of those changes so the changes on um St George Street are very minor as i said some change to affordable takes at roof level and this door here and then on the Mason's Arms Mews elevation so the rear change the materiality on these two floors a change to window arrangement to the door here the reason why the application is back um well this application because it's a new application to committee is because um i'll set out in the reports the residential 17 north park lane now can't be delivered um the it's a mixed-use building or would be a mixed-use building that would require new coal uh to be inserted and um works to be carried out and they would need um be in possession of the building which they they don't have so we accept the argument that the car provide residential at 17-0 park lane so this application now is um to make financial payment towards city council's affordable housing funds to offset the loss of the five residential units and the proposed payment is uh four million nine hundred twenty eight thousand the the basis behind calculating that is set out in the report i'll just conclude by saying what's out we consider this acceptable subject obviously to securing that payments traveling legal agreement thank you thank you so our speaker is James Cooksey from all partway management thank you chair and uh thank you committee members good evening for two hundred cold so excuse me um i'm james cooksey ceo of all partway management a family-owned private investment and development company as you've heard from officers um from your officers presentation uh we've received permission from the council in 2024 to sensitively and sustainably retrofit um 25 to 27 st george street the permission involves the removal of the duplex units at st george street where they significantly impact upon the efficiency and the quality of the commercial floor space and the reprovision of the private residential space through an extension to the upper levels 17 park lane however new fire safety regulations in the building safety act 22 have made it impossible for us to reprovide the residential use at 17-0 park lane without securing vacant possession of the building this is not possible due to existing leases and we do not currently have an alternative building available for this purpose over the past year we have worked closely and positively with officers to find the best possible solution to allow the proposals to move forward and deliver the high quality retrofitters in george streets and new quality commercial space in the cas we are therefore proposing the loss of the private residential accommodations met through a payment of a little low 4.9 million uh in the form of a payment in loops of the city council's housing fund we believe the payments and low will um positively contribute to the council's housing stock including the delivery of much uh needed new affordable homes in the borough the proposals before you are solely to decouple 25 to 27 of st george street from 17 on park lane and make minor um modifications as highlighted we are not proposing to alter the approved height or missing and at the same time our scheme uh remains fundamentally focused on sustainability the proposals will not not the retrofitting of the building with a climate resilient design to reduce both energy use and carbon emissions this includes the utilization of cross laminated cross laminated timber for the proposed utility extension and moving the building to an all-electric system as well as the introduction of new urban greening at upper levels we've undertaken extensive consultation with key stakeholders and the local area on the new application we are unaware of any concerns and have received welcome support from neighboring property owners and the mayfair neighborhood forum we therefore very much hope the committee is minded to agree with the officer's recommendation recognize the unique circumstances arising from the changing regulations the timing of the permission and approve the application for you thank you very much thank you very much um just wants to come back any points raised okay thank you so the key issue in this application is the affordable housing payment um i think it's always unfortunate if we can't have affordable housing on a particular site um do colleagues wants to have any free comments on this council plan i do i'm a bit confused about timeline because this is a 2024 permission which promised the reprovision on part lane and yes it was a 2022 act that meant that it was not deliverable so did we did somebody anybody know at the time that it was quite wonderful on all part lane and if so would this have come forward with the recommendation for approval with just a contribution to the offset bonus yeah the the clarification on the on meeting two ports was subsequent to 2022 it was one of the last things that michael dove set out when he was secretary of state where he provided clarification on when and where you would need to have two calls and whether it applied to things that had already been granted planning permission and so although it was 2022 really the the the confirmation that it would apply to this um that that particular development did come after that and there was a lot of um a lot of confusion in the industry as to whether it it should be applied until michael and clarified it can't keep you the exact date but it came later and as to the second point had it come forward in 24 with just an offset payment as opposed to actually i think you can't really answer can you look just straight what the recommendation would have been whether it was acceptable then i suppose it would be the same it was same test as it is now but it was essentially whether it's acceptable it's a bit of a red herring that it's that it was promised and now can't be it's this this design for this office which is acceptable in all other respects whether this is acceptable with an offset payment i'm sorry uh uh an affordable housing payment as opposed to reprovision either on-site or off-site i think the the i can't speak to the applicant no my my view they would it would have been a completely different starting position so i doubt very much for this will come forward it's just that it's got so far um and is ready to be delivered that's why they've come to us now with this alternative unusual alternative solution and as the previous committee agreed i mean it's a nice building it's it's just this issue about the loss of five year housing units in the middle of mayhem just south of hanover square absolutely um not strictly a kind of planning question but could you ask a bit more about the way that money will be used for the affordable contribution uh when we're going to the affordable housing funding the normal way that any contributions would so where does that go i don't mind we spend it on affordable energy yes yeah it's used to it's used to invest in our affordable schemes so so on ebury on church street all of our major schemes we use the affordable housing fund to help to to to deliver the affordable part of that but it wouldn't be ring-fenced for any particular project it would just go into the film which is the door and it wouldn't be geographically reinforced either then i mean i'm i'm confirming that because that's i know i just there was a uh which which in my opinion would not be practical thank you it's not funny so they've got the question no thanks okay um i've got one of them which was the residential when was it last occupied was it fully compliant with all relevant you know fire and safety and i we heard from the applicant that it was sub-optimal for the commercial uses underneath because obviously you've got to have residential going through them but uh do we know anything about the history of the residential whether it was of good quality well i've got the the plans i mean in terms of the size of the units they're reasonably sized um you just said this uh one one bed and then four two beds the two beds are amazing that i showed the plans on on screen the whole building's been stripped out now i can't say the exact date that it's um stopped being involved by the residential but i presume it was some time ago because you know as i said the strip out works happened the whole building's made it bombs i don't know i don't know i don't know if it helps but i don't know i don't know how they've made their name or knows this but in their comments they say that the existing residential was they say was um relatively poor and compromised so presumably they they weren't fans of it okay thank you any further comments or questions um just to say i mean it's always regrettable when um you and lose residential accommodation but i just wanted to confirm i mean that just seemed to be an incredible incredibly small amount i mean i mean how did we get to that figure i mean is there was there any possibility of increasing that well um there isn't a forming in the city plan or the neighbourhood plan that would um calculate what an appropriate payment towards for loss of residential would be um the report sets out how this is being derived it's based on then the cost of buyback properties in um publication truly affordable housing strategy 2022 then it's multiplied by um at 2.03 to give it the equate to the higher value area then obviously that's far it's multiplied that figure which was um nine hundred and sixty eight thousand by five to come to four million nine hundred and twenty eight thousand so there is a basis behind it it's not just a figure that has been looked out of thin air but there is no policy basis behind saying that is the correct figure because there's no policy to pay for the loss of residential can i just go i was i was quite i mean it's a very specific number the 2.03 where does the 2.03 it comes from um again it it's mixing sort of um um publications but it comes from the obligations affordable housing supplementary planning documents um which was adopted in march 2024 so the the higher value area is a multiple of 2.03 over the rest of the city would be affairs in the higher value area licensing subcommittee is which is to consider an application for your campuses license from 40 to 40 to 40 to 40. But, you know, it isn't a formula to say this is what you should pay for, this is what you should happen to pay for the loss of residential hearing. We come up with this. There is another way to get there, please. I understand what you're saying. This is the issue for us. We have to comply legally with Section 106. There has to be a methodology that you use so that you're not just towards trading sums of money. So we've used the council's formula for introducing affordable housing, which, as Mike says, for the council, and we've done this, the council has bought from the open market in some parts of the borough a two bed flat for £484,000. So that's an actual figure. That's why the methodology is presented to you in the way that it is. But if you multiply that into 403, which we're suggesting, and the applicants agree to, it comes to 900 and something, which is 10 flats. So actually, no, we're losing five flats. We are getting sufficient funding from the applicant to buy 10 flats under that. So we can start somewhere else. Yes, of course, it's in the cheap part of the borough. But then most of our council housing is built for, you know, making good reasons in the cheap part of the borough. The applications have been made by the borough of the state, but that comes to today by someone from Calderon. If they were to offer to re-provide the units elsewhere, we would ask companies quite for like in terms of size, but presumably that wouldn't matter wherever the city they chose to provide it. Is that correct? In terms of the application can be seen at pages 64 to 65. They could choose to provide it in one of the lowest cost by the property and in one of the lowest cost land cost areas of the city, whereas the 2.03 multiple is actually, on that basis, you couldn't say it's nothing. The representation was also received from the environment. No, it's not. I accept that. The representation was withdrawn. The premises is situated within the line of the borough. How's that sound? I think it's regrettable that we are losing those units, but I will vote. Thank you. Councillor Lilley, approve. Councillor Glenn. It's a great building and a great place. It's a shame we lost the residential. I think, given the discussion is easy enough to offset that loss that will be used by the Council to good effect. Councillor Ruff. I agree. I think we always need contributions to the affordable housing fund, so it's a quick name, it's a correction. And I also please just approve it. Thank you very much. Thanks for closing it in 1952. You know how I want this outlined in England, in Sydney, and in Sydney, and in Sydney, and in an external area. I know I've referred to number 43 Children's Street, it's been name-ring, but it's been virtually the number...